Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

[Erich Kaiser]

Most IXs have HE routes as well, so we pull those in from the IXs.


Erich Kaiser
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 5:08 PM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> We have been doing local peering for CDNs  and Telia for remaining routes
> and Cogent last resort for years with no major issues.
>
> We peer with Telia in multiple locations throughout the US and also take
> in local peering routes from local IXs and PNIs.  Peering traffic is
> preferred to our customer with Telia being second in line and then Cogent
> being last resort.  Its worked pretty well for us and our customers.
>
> Erich Kaiser
> RTA formerly The Fusion Network
> ASN 19754
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:17 AM Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> The one thing I will say between the two of them (we have multi 100G
>> ports with both HE, Cogent and a dozen other providers).  The only way to
>> get good prices with HE is on fixed ports,  Cogent and most other providers
>> allow bursting / aggregated setups which saves a ton of money if you need
>> ports in multi locations.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:50 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
>>
>>
>>
>> In our case, we had a 10gig HE unpaid peering direct.  Our customers
>> backup provider, providing around 500 meg had a paid transit to HE, they
>> sent ALL traffic to the paid transit, though another AS.   They ALWAYS
>> prefer their paid transits, even over direct peering’s.   I have only seen
>> this on HEs network…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess*
>>
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:57 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
>>
>>
>>
>> The default for any carrier is to send the traffic where you get paid vs
>> those that you don't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> <https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com=CBEB427F-D654-3E05-BE86-5B6B2F43EB99=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-7d91ded002009421c84a4695e115f380e1fa3d0f>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:06:31 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
>>
>> Ya, like HE always preferring paid peers over free.  That has came up a
>> few times.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson (Lists)
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:44 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
>>
>>
>>
>> As with anything there are good and bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Both do some heavy traffic manipulation. Cogent is not v

Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

[Erich Kaiser]

We have been doing local peering for CDNs  and Telia for remaining routes
and Cogent last resort for years with no major issues.

We peer with Telia in multiple locations throughout the US and also take in
local peering routes from local IXs and PNIs.  Peering traffic is
preferred to our customer with Telia being second in line and then Cogent
being last resort.  Its worked pretty well for us and our customers.

Erich Kaiser
RTA formerly The Fusion Network
ASN 19754





On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:17 AM Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:

> The one thing I will say between the two of them (we have multi 100G ports
> with both HE, Cogent and a dozen other providers).  The only way to get
> good prices with HE is on fixed ports,  Cogent and most other providers
> allow bursting / aggregated setups which saves a ton of money if you need
> ports in multi locations.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
>
>
>
> In our case, we had a 10gig HE unpaid peering direct.  Our customers
> backup provider, providing around 500 meg had a paid transit to HE, they
> sent ALL traffic to the paid transit, though another AS.   They ALWAYS
> prefer their paid transits, even over direct peering’s.   I have only seen
> this on HEs network…
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
> *Dennis Burgess*
>
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:57 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
>
>
>
> The default for any carrier is to send the traffic where you get paid vs
> those that you don't.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> <https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com=CBEB427F-D654-3E05-BE86-5B6B2F43EB99=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-7d91ded002009421c84a4695e115f380e1fa3d0f>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:06:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
>
> Ya, like HE always preferring paid peers over free.  That has came up a
> few times.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson (Lists)
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
>
>
>
> As with anything there are good and bad.
>
>
>
> Both do some heavy traffic manipulation. Cogent is not very open-internet
> friendly.  They do not peer with folks so their entire network is pay to
> peer.  This can result in some congestion at major points. Some of the
> major de-peering events have been due to AT and others de-peering with
> cogent because of Cogent wanting money to peer.
>
>
>
> Most of Hurricane’s network is either Telia Upstream or peering.  This can
> result in some issues as well.
>
>
>
> There is no such thing as a perfect backbone/upstream/transit provider.
> They all have issues.  What you want it diversity.  When talking to them
> ask about their routes in and out of your location.  How much capacity do
> they have? Are they taking the same route

Re: [AFMUG] Yealink Phones

[Erich Kaiser]

Should be T48S

Erich Kaiser
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 9:42 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> We run all Yealink in multiple offices across US, not seeing any issues
> like this.   Running  SIP-T29/46/28S   behind mikrotik/ubnt (Single NAT)
> back to our Netsapiens cluster in Texas.
>
> Are you running over a wireless link for internet connectivity? Is your
> voice going in and out of the same upstream?  Are you hosting your own PBX
> if so what software?
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:40 AM  wrote:
>
>> Good morning all,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have recently ran into major issues using Yealink phones, particularly
>> T54W and T57W. Calls are broken and dropping. We have determined the ISP
>> and internal networking is not the issue due to the fact that these issues
>> are not specific to one customer.  Does anyone have experience these
>> products they would like to share the do’s and don’t’s with the Yealink
>> platform? We have been making small adjustment to the voice settings of the
>> hardware but are not having any luck. We are not showing any packet loss
>> between customer and cloud. We are using Unifi switches and Mikrotik RB2011
>> firewall. We also head similar results using a SonicWALL. VOIP traffic is
>> all travels though the Mikrotik and LAN uses the Sonic wall.  Quality
>> issues are becoming more and more frequent but are still very random.
>> Yealink support is looking into this but not moving fast enough. Thank you
>> in advance for any information you can share. I am open to any suggestions
>> at this point. If there is a better suited platform to ask this question
>> please let me know. I figured I would start with the smartest group of
>> people I know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Darrick Potter
>>
>> Structured Cabling and Security
>>
>> 517 797 3710 ext 110
>>
>> darr...@dmcibb.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Yealink Phones

[Erich Kaiser]

We run all Yealink in multiple offices across US, not seeing any issues
like this.   Running  SIP-T29/46/28S   behind mikrotik/ubnt (Single NAT)
back to our Netsapiens cluster in Texas.

Are you running over a wireless link for internet connectivity? Is your
voice going in and out of the same upstream?  Are you hosting your own PBX
if so what software?

Erich Kaiser





On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:40 AM  wrote:

> Good morning all,
>
>
>
> We have recently ran into major issues using Yealink phones, particularly
> T54W and T57W. Calls are broken and dropping. We have determined the ISP
> and internal networking is not the issue due to the fact that these issues
> are not specific to one customer.  Does anyone have experience these
> products they would like to share the do’s and don’t’s with the Yealink
> platform? We have been making small adjustment to the voice settings of the
> hardware but are not having any luck. We are not showing any packet loss
> between customer and cloud. We are using Unifi switches and Mikrotik RB2011
> firewall. We also head similar results using a SonicWALL. VOIP traffic is
> all travels though the Mikrotik and LAN uses the Sonic wall.  Quality
> issues are becoming more and more frequent but are still very random.
> Yealink support is looking into this but not moving fast enough. Thank you
> in advance for any information you can share. I am open to any suggestions
> at this point. If there is a better suited platform to ask this question
> please let me know. I figured I would start with the smartest group of
> people I know.
>
>
>
> Darrick Potter
>
> Structured Cabling and Security
>
> 517 797 3710 ext 110
>
> darr...@dmcibb.net
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Netflow tools

[Erich Kaiser]

Solarwinds netflow NTA for more indepth customers flows but as-stats for
peering stats.


Erich Kaiser
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:23 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> asstats
> https://github.com/manuelkasper/AS-Stats
>
> Erich Kaiser
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:16 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is
>> using.  Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc.  I'm already using Netflow to
>> send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for
>> the customer IP's.  It's been several years since I looked at on site
>> Netflow tools.
>>
>> Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers.
>>
>> Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure their
>> pricing will match all that advertizing.  I just want to run something
>> for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of traffic are.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Netflow tools

[Erich Kaiser]

asstats
https://github.com/manuelkasper/AS-Stats

Erich Kaiser
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:16 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is
> using.  Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc.  I'm already using Netflow to
> send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for
> the customer IP's.  It's been several years since I looked at on site
> Netflow tools.
>
> Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers.
>
> Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure their
> pricing will match all that advertizing.  I just want to run something
> for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of traffic are.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Erich Kaiser]

Amen.  I'll see you at the show!

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021, 6:21 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th).
>
> Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.
>
> That's practically non-existent.
>
> Live life, or don't.  Just don't complain when other's live their life.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> Texas: I'd be going to Dallas.
>
> Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh.
>
> My County has about 34 new cases per day.
>
> On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems
> > like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Same here
> >
> > Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.
> >
> > On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> >  > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
> > attitude
> >  > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
> >  >
> >  > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
> > mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >  >  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >  >
> >  > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
> >  >
> >  > Josh Luthman
> >  > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >  > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >  > 1100 Wayne St
> >  > Suite 1337
> >  > Troy, OH 45373
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
> > mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> >  > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was
> > a hoot.
> >  > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something
> like
> >  > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they
> have
> >  > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in
> > her hand.
> >  > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> >  > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >  > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >  > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> >  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> >  > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> >  > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any
> business
> >  > travel before June 1st, unless something major
> > changed. So
> >  > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting
> > for was
> >  > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are
> even
> >  > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to
> > where
> >  > I was more comfortable in attending.
> >  > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to
> > go as
> >  > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of
> weeks
> >  > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
> >  > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
> >  > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in
> progress we
> >  > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on
> > hold at
> >  > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
> >  > Assuming everything continues trending in the right
> > direction,
> >  > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think
> > August that
> >  > we're planning on attending.
> >  > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave
> > mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Im waiting for vegas show
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >  >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know
> > I'll be
> >  >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
> >  >> Josh Luthman
> >  >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >  >> 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Erich Kaiser]

If it gives me a chance not to die from Covid and lessen the symptoms if I
do get it, I will take it.  Thats what these vaccines are supposed to do.
Pfizer and Moderna are supposed to be like 80% effective 2 weeks after
first vaccination.I am getting my second vaccination for Moderna in
about a week or so and the process to get it was simple and well
organized.  I think the biggest problem is false reporting of possible
cases being touted as positive cases.



On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:40 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting
> immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.
>
> I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.
>
> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
> > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman  > > wrote:
> >
> >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >
> > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF  > > wrote:
> >
> > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
> > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
> > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
> > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her
> hand.
> > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
> > travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
> > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
> > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
> > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
> > I was more comfortable in attending.
> > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
> > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
> > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
> > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
> > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
> > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
> > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
> > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
> > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
> > we're planning on attending.
> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave 
> wrote:
> >
> > Im waiting for vegas show
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
> >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sam,
> >>
> >> I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
> >> all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
> >> attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
> >> WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
> >>
> >> WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
> >> Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
> >> their deep dives like the old and much cherished
> >> Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
> >> because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
> >> tracks.
> >>
> >> Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
> >> has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love
> >> both shows (and I'm not just saying that).
> >>
> >> photograph
> >> Daniel White
> >> Co-Founder
> >> phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
> >> 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Erich Kaiser]

If you want privacy use Microsoft Office 365. Several IT consultants have
told me that they will not use Google because of this reason.  We have both
Google and Office 365 and if i had to go to one i would go to Microsoft
Office 365.  Not to mention you get the microsoft office suite for multiple
PCs for each full user.



Erich Kaiser





On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:11 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this thread got me looking at microsoft options again, im having issues
> with our openfire server and trillian messenger not keeping in sync, its a
> versioning issue. but it looks like teams has the old microsoft messenger
> now, im betting this would solve that.
>
> we have an issue, our company email is also our customer email, we host at
> rackspace, and we use hosted exchange for company emails through them,
> customers are primarily pop. the whole shared domain with a 3rd party
> hosted exchange thing has always been weird with resource visibility.
>
> Im looking at the microsoft options, anybody here doing the split domain
> routing for email successfully?
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:50 AM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
>> Well this is a case of combining a lot of people into 1 system who are
>> used to their own systems.  So some people prefer Google some prefer
>> Microsoft and I need to be the voice of reason and break it down for all to
>> see.  So the decision will be clear.
>>
>>
>> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed>
>> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/>
>> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>
>> * STEVEN KENNEY *
>> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
>> Leamington ON
>> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
>> W: www.wavedirect.net
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 17, 2021 12:28:24 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google
>>
>> We love Google apps going on 9 years now. I've never been a fan of
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> We also use slack but if Microsoft includes much of the functionality of
>> slack and zoom in their offerings, it may be worth looking into for someone
>> wanting to switch.
>>
>> We love Google too much and have very few pain points so there is nothing
>> driving us to even research an alternative.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 3:41 PM David Coudron 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We work with a number of mid to enterprise sized corporate clients as
>>> part of our consulting practice.   Within those communities, Google’s
>>> toolset holds a very small piece of the market, if even countable.
>>> Microsoft’s toolset, (Office 365 with Exchange, Teams, Sharepoint, Outlook,
>>> etc) seems to be very stable and very secure.   These organizations spend a
>>> lot of time looking at these kinds of things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally, these same organizations are moving their applications
>>> environments to AWS and Azure in large volume.   We are seeing healthcare
>>> organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong PCI
>>> requirement driven movement.   While we don’t have data points for these
>>> kinds of movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google.
>>> This same movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations all
>>> the time.   We recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google to
>>> Microsoft’s Office 365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the
>>> Google offering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a
>>> year, our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex.   We don’t see
>>> enough of Google Meet for that to even be a comparison.   A big benefit to
>>> Teams is that includes the functionality of Slack (for the most part),
>>> Zoom, and shared file systems/repositories.   Additionally it is integrated
>>> into Outlook very well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick
>>> another option.   My wife’s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years, but
>>> they are actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull the
>>> trigger like that in a year like 2020.   There are several reasons, not the
>>> least of which

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations

[Erich Kaiser]

Good ol' Prickster...


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:53 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

>
> https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/18848-new-illinois-law-requires-panic-buttons-for-hotel-casino-staff-working-alone#:~:text=New%20Illinois%20law%20requires%20panic%20buttons%20for%20hotel%2C%20casino%20staff%20working%20alone,-September%206%2C%202019=Springfield%2C%20IL%20%E2%80%94%20Beginning%20July%201,device%20that%20alerts%20security%20staff
> .
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I found some regulations that talk about needing to identify the
>> transponder location in the hotel.  Our state code I don't think
>> addresses how accurate it needs to be.   We're not providing the system,
>> but the hotel owner came to us saying that the guy who is selling him
>> the system wanted to add 90 WIFI devices in the hotel. So that leads us
>> to the 1 per room idea.  The actual system integrator is supposed to be
>> calling us.  I'm thinking we'll probably give him his own SSID/Vlan for
>> his devices.
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2021 5:04 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> > I would guess that you have one per room so you can tell where the
>> > panic is happening.
>> > I would not use wifi for it if I wanted it to work every time.  Be
>> > better to be UHF I would think.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:39 PM
>> > To: Animal Farm
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Hotel Panic Button Regulations
>> >
>> > We're in Illinois, and provide Internet/WIFI to a hotel.  We're being
>> > told by the hotel owner that there is a new regulation (we don't know if
>> > it's state or federal) that there needs to be a panic button in every
>> > room.
>> >
>> > The guy selling them the system says that it is all WIFI based.  1
>> > device per room
>> >
>> > It is supposedly only for staff use
>> >
>> > So they're wanting to add a mess of devices to the WIFI in the hotel.
>> > Not really a big deal, there's more than enough capacity.
>> >
>> > But A number of things are not making sense with this:
>> >
>> > Why would a Panic button be WIFI based and not 400khz to a local
>> > receiver?
>> >
>> > If it's only for staff, why is there a need for one in each room and not
>> > just a panic button carried on their person?
>> >
>> > I know others on this list service/manage hotels.  Have you heard
>> > anything about this?
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Erich Kaiser]

15k is nothing for bigiron, most of our line cards we use are between
10-15k/ piece in refurbished market...  "You get what you pay for" we have
several customers just not wanting to deal with Mikrotik at the edge
anymore and going to other vendors (Extreme/Brocade, Juniper, Cisco..).  We
are moving to Dell S5xxF Series switches for port aggregation.They have
been great switches been running for about a year now at some POPs.





Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
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Office: 815-570-3101





On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:25 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> My guideline is if I'm planning on less than 30 gigs, definitely Mikrotik.
> 30 to probably 50 or 60, either way, depending on what I can find for
> deals.
> More than 60, Juniper\Arista\Cisco\whatever.
>
> The thresholds for me are mostly centric around what it was cost me to get
> something else. There's a high entry point, so I want to make sure that I'm
> going to get some mileage out of it compared to just having a mostly empty
> router I paid a ton of money for.
>
>
> We've maxed out a quad core Intel Core i7 running ROS v6 in the 8 - 13 gig
> area (PPS dependent). Performance seems to scale better with cores than
> clock (after all, it's really easy to get 5x more cores, but impossible to
> get 5x more clock). We are moving that site to a split Cisco layer 3 switch
> and RouterOS on an appliance to get more performance out of what we already
> have. We've priced out going to all iron and it's about $15k. That's not
> really a pill we're looking to swallow at the moment. We'll run everything
> that hits the IX through the switch, so it'll do something like 8k routes
> at line rate, then anything full tables, we'll do off of the RouterOS box.
>
>
> In ten years, hopefully you've replaced whatever you bought now,
> regardless of what it is.  :-)
>
>
>
> Elsewhere, I'm trying to decide what iron to use. It's nothing to do with
> my doubts of the platform, but it'll be easier to sell services to other
> ISPs if I'm running big iron instead of Mikrotik.
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:08:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> I have never regretted buying one of the best of something in a category.
> For example, I went cheap during the early days on imported oscilloscopes.
> Finally about 30 years ago I broke down and bought a brand new HP scope.
> Still works fine, use it all the time.  My favorite scope.  My wife swears
> by kuru shoes.  Expensive but her feet don’t hurt.  High quality studded
> snow tires.  Kennedy tool chests.  Kurt vises for CNC mills etc etc.
>
> So, in 5 years or 10 years will I be happy I went with Juniper over MT?
> Will be unhappy I went with MT vs Juniper?
> That is the decision I am trying to make.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the
> hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco.
> Remember this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using
> Mikrotik for that job.
>
> Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad
> RF links.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> Software updates for one.  We have hundreds of hex units out there. We
>> push out security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after
>> the upgrade and will need to be swapped as it’s dead.
>>
>> OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues.  We’ve just
>> decided to pull OSPF all together on the 

Re: [AFMUG] Water heaters

[Erich Kaiser]

both electric and gas, it may not be in the hot output it could be a
separate pop off tab on top thats covered with foam, do some googling for
your make/model and where your anode is located.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 12:21 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I dont think Ive ever seen an anode on a water heater, inlet, outlet,
> popoff, burner, thermocouple, drain. Is that a new thing? I havent put in a
> new water heater in a long time, or is that for electric?
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:32 AM Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
>> If you are going to put a tank one in again make sure to replace the
>> Anode rod with a DC powered one.  If you check your existing heater does
>> the rod even exist or has it corroded away (It is supposed to protect the
>> tank from corrosion)?  We had two 40 gal heaters replaced about 8 months
>> ago, right after the install, we started to get a sulfur smell . In doing
>> some research turns out even new hot water heater Anodes (magnesium) can
>> have a reaction to well/hard water and the rod will need to replaced within
>> a few years.  I found that you can buy a DC rod and never replace it, so I
>> went that route, did it myself and the smell instantly went away.  When i
>> took the rod out to replace it i could see the corrosion on the rod even
>> from only being a few weeks old.
>>
>> Link to the anodes I purchased:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KIMC91W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:35 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You guys all do different weird shit. Went to drain my gas heater tonite
>>> (may have put that maintenance off longer than intended)
>>> We are quarry country so we have super hard water. Needless to say tanks
>>> full of baked in sediment and when I cleared the valve I may have cracked
>>> the liner, about every ten seconds I'm getting a drip on the burner, and my
>>> pop off is dripping, probably some sediment.
>>>
>>> The water heater is the only thing I have that vents hot anymore and my
>>> chimney leaks in driving rain. Is rather just bash it in and put a
>>> dumbwaiter in the chase. I have the two fresh kids that I bet would have a
>>> blast riding that.
>>>
>>> Power vent gas looks to almost double the cost.
>>>
>>> Tankless is looking almost comparable in price for gas, so I'm curious
>>> if any of you guys run them without major water softener and filters.
>>>
>>> I'm planning on solar in the next 5 or 6 years when I redo my roof so
>>> electric would be the thing I go with on the water heater after the one I'm
>>> gonna have to put in now.
>>>
>>> I like gas water heaters because I know how to fix them, parts are
>>> cheap, same with my clothes dryers. But theyve priced themselves into me
>>> looking at my options.
>>>
>>> Tankless I dont know how to calculate gpm needs. But what led to this
>>> was taking the flow reducer out of my low flow shower head and running out
>>> of hot water in 20 minutes. I start my day by scalding myself for about a
>>> half hour cause I'm a filthy bastard and need to be cleansed of my sins.
>>> We have 2 bathrooms and a girl hitting her teens, so I assume we may be
>>> getting into a shower and bath coming on at the same time and the wife
>>> knowing what's good for her and washing dishes.
>>> She wont let me put a wood stove and still in the bathroom, so wood
>>> fired shower options are out.
>>> Are residential boilers a thing? All my walls had pocket doors so I have
>>> plenty of room for radiant walls, I dont know if boiler heat it even
>>> efficient though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Water heaters

[Erich Kaiser]

If you are going to put a tank one in again make sure to replace the Anode
rod with a DC powered one.  If you check your existing heater does the rod
even exist or has it corroded away (It is supposed to protect the tank from
corrosion)?  We had two 40 gal heaters replaced about 8 months ago, right
after the install, we started to get a sulfur smell . In doing some
research turns out even new hot water heater Anodes (magnesium) can have a
reaction to well/hard water and the rod will need to replaced within a few
years.  I found that you can buy a DC rod and never replace it, so I went
that route, did it myself and the smell instantly went away.  When i took
the rod out to replace it i could see the corrosion on the rod even from
only being a few weeks old.

Link to the anodes I purchased:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KIMC91W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1




On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:35 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You guys all do different weird shit. Went to drain my gas heater tonite
> (may have put that maintenance off longer than intended)
> We are quarry country so we have super hard water. Needless to say tanks
> full of baked in sediment and when I cleared the valve I may have cracked
> the liner, about every ten seconds I'm getting a drip on the burner, and my
> pop off is dripping, probably some sediment.
>
> The water heater is the only thing I have that vents hot anymore and my
> chimney leaks in driving rain. Is rather just bash it in and put a
> dumbwaiter in the chase. I have the two fresh kids that I bet would have a
> blast riding that.
>
> Power vent gas looks to almost double the cost.
>
> Tankless is looking almost comparable in price for gas, so I'm curious if
> any of you guys run them without major water softener and filters.
>
> I'm planning on solar in the next 5 or 6 years when I redo my roof so
> electric would be the thing I go with on the water heater after the one I'm
> gonna have to put in now.
>
> I like gas water heaters because I know how to fix them, parts are cheap,
> same with my clothes dryers. But theyve priced themselves into me looking
> at my options.
>
> Tankless I dont know how to calculate gpm needs. But what led to this was
> taking the flow reducer out of my low flow shower head and running out of
> hot water in 20 minutes. I start my day by scalding myself for about a half
> hour cause I'm a filthy bastard and need to be cleansed of my sins.
> We have 2 bathrooms and a girl hitting her teens, so I assume we may be
> getting into a shower and bath coming on at the same time and the wife
> knowing what's good for her and washing dishes.
> She wont let me put a wood stove and still in the bathroom, so wood fired
> shower options are out.
> Are residential boilers a thing? All my walls had pocket doors so I have
> plenty of room for radiant walls, I dont know if boiler heat it even
> efficient though.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio

[Erich Kaiser]

Ken,
This is the correct part # for the PSU you need for the 820C, we just used
two of these and they work great.  ISP has 23 instock.

N82L164A


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 8:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Oops, so they are not showing stock?
>
> If I'm seeing correctly, Streakwave has qty=1 in stock, not sure if that's
> Ohio or Utah.  If they have one I can't drive and get it at will call like
> I would from WAV, but I could overnight it in.
>
> I don't have a Winncomm account, not sure I can check stock status online.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:40 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio
>
> Wait no I'm blind.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:38 AM Caleb Knauer 
> wrote:
> >
> > Winncomm site says they have 9 in stock.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone have a spare Cambium P/N C110082B055A on the shelf?  That’s an
> 11 GHz 820C and I believe it’s the high side.  I’m trying the distributors
> but I think people have posted here about 820C supply problems lately so
> I’m not optimistic.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Really strange, we had a power outage and the radio seems stuck in a
> boot loop and won’t power up.  It was fine for 2 years before the power
> went off.  Cambium Support is wanting me to try logging in via a
> “protection cable” but I doubt that will work, it’s not that we lost the IP
> address, the radio seems to be rebooting every 45 seconds or so.  If I
> power it from one of the Cambium outdoor POEs (the ones that take 24 or 48
> VDC in), the POE light actually goes orange periodically for a few
> seconds.  I had hoped it was a POE or power supply problem, but replacing
> them didn’t fix it.
> > >
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Re: [AFMUG] SIP trunk providers at IXes?

[Erich Kaiser]

Having a PNI is the best option for voice services, we have one with
Bandwidth.com in Dallas, and backup through full route DIA to them.  They
have had the best service out of all my time doing voip the last 10-15
yrs.  We do peer with a few others via IX but the VOIP services we sell are
using service via Bandwidth.com, the best part about it is our wholesale
customers on the Fusion side benefit from our PNI with them.


Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network / SCT Broadband





On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 2:24 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> We don't peer specifically. We choose data centers like INAP and Equinix
> that have lots of customers located in their centers and large peering
> fabrics built.
> I think of peering as more of a BGP thing, which I am more concerned about
> consistent low latency between my switch platform and my customers. I
> wouldn't be against peering, I just don't know that it would be a huge
> benefit.
>
> SIP trunks are a pretty simple deal. Maybe they aren't set up to deal with
> any more complexity. We use Fusion right now at the Dallas Equinix. So we
> get their BGP routes and blended DIA. In that case, you would peer with
> them. We have a similar arrangement in Seattle.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:55 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/20 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > Well yes, mine, but also any that my customers may use independently of
>> me.
>> >
>> > Also, like me, Seth runs an IX. We're always trying to find networks
>> > that would benefit from IXes. VoIP providers would be an obvious one,
>> > but many of them don't seem to know how to run networks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm also looking at options for SIP trunks for my office, and I would
>> really prefer to buy with someone who participates in peering, not just
>> says how great their network is then when I try to find out details on
>> what exactly that means come up with little to nothing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Erich Kaiser]

Nothing wrong with Hyper-v, been running it for 3 yrs, no issues.   If i
did it over i would probably go with VMWare.


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On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 9:56 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I know of a couple people using Hyper-V. I just don't trust Microsoft to
> be my hypervisor. That may be ildeserved, but it is what it is.
>
> Proxmox is based on Debian, so quite stable and supports both VMs and
> containers.
>
>
>
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> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:48:14 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines
>
> I never hear anyone say they are using Hyper-V, I assume that is not even
> in the running unless you are a hardcore Microsoft shop or want to host in
> the Azure cloud?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines
>
>
>
> Proxmox for sure. I've used Proxmox for 10+ years and VMWare for probably
> 8 years. I'm phasing out VMWare in favor of Proxmox.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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>
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:27:22 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Virtual machines
>
> I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 years
> behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason.
>
>
>
> I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups,
> snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority
> for me (at least I don't think so).
>
>
>
> Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd.
>
>
>
> It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others?
> Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is
> important for sure.
>
>
>
> I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I started.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] servers

[Erich Kaiser]

Go with a blade server with support.  We have a Dell blade server and it
has been rock solid, we had an issue with one of the management cards (Has
2 for redundancy) but Dell sent us a new one overnight (They would
have even sent a tech out to replace it, but we just used our own) if your
business depends on it spend the money and get the support.We also have
stand alone servers that do other things as well (Other POP sites), but our
primary stuff resides on the blade server.  The server was purchased
through an acquisition we did and it came with Windows Datacenter on it
already, I would probably not use it if we were rebuilding the system from
scratch, would probably use VMWare but it has been rock solid.


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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:09 PM  wrote:

> I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time.
> Thinking blade servers.
> Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses.
>
> Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper V,
> all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
> But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
>
> Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.
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[AFMUG] Tesla competitor Kandi

[Erich Kaiser]

This is going to be interesting

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/kandi-technologies-stock-announcing-us-car-launch-tesla-competitor-electric-2020-7-1029451976#
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Re: [AFMUG] weed killer

[Erich Kaiser]

Tordon, 24-d and Glyphosate.  if weeds are large, cut them, wait about 2
weeks and then spray.






On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:45 AM  wrote:

> I like to totally sterilize the ground around my comm sites.  But for some
> reason the stuff I am using did not work this year.  I am sure it is the
> same stuff I have been using but zip-nada-nothing happening this year.  I
> think I have used Pramitol 5PS.
>
> Anyone else have something they like?
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

[Erich Kaiser]

Looking it up online probably had goose liver and pork liver spread as well.


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On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 5:32 PM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> I am a big fan of calves liver spread.  Used to get some strange looks
> from the other kids in grade school during lunch.   I have not had it for
> years well because the wife will not buy it LOL.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I hate liver but have been known to eat liver sausage.  Oscar Meyer.  On
>> Ritz crackers.  With or without a slice of cheddar cheese.
>>
>> Also excellent for getting dogs to take pills.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:19 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>>
>> I tried it in Monte Carlo.  Tasted like Underwood Deviled Ham mixed with
>> margarine.  No liver taste at all.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On May 10, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> >
>> > I would boycott any restaurant that served foie gras simply because I
>> hate liver, and duck/goose live is just as disgusting.
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> >> On 5/10/2020 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >> I heard on the radio a restaurant owner in downstate Illinois opened
>> >> to a full sit-down crowd, citing his rights as an American.  He
>> >> apparently forgot that restaurants are already subject to lots of
>> >> rules, and the county health department can pull his health permit.
>> >> Heck, they regulate how big your sign can be, what hours you can be
>> >> open, maximum occupancy, whether you can serve liquor (or sprouts or
>> >> foie gras), whether you can hand out plastic straws.  The idea that a
>> >> business is free to do whatever it wants, free of government
>> regulation, is kind of divorced from reality.
>> >>
>> >> I don't necessarily agree with the way any level of government is
>> >> handling this, but not because of my rights and freedoms.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 1:53 PM
>> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Steve Jones
>> >> 
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>> >>
>> >> To those saying "why should I have to wear a mask when in public"
>> >> do you also complain about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"?
>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

[Erich Kaiser]

I am a big fan of calves liver spread.  Used to get some strange looks from
the other kids in grade school during lunch.   I have not had it for years
well because the wife will not buy it LOL.




On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I hate liver but have been known to eat liver sausage.  Oscar Meyer.  On
> Ritz crackers.  With or without a slice of cheddar cheese.
>
> Also excellent for getting dogs to take pills.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>
> I tried it in Monte Carlo.  Tasted like Underwood Deviled Ham mixed with
> margarine.  No liver taste at all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 10, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > I would boycott any restaurant that served foie gras simply because I
> hate liver, and duck/goose live is just as disgusting.
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> >> On 5/10/2020 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> I heard on the radio a restaurant owner in downstate Illinois opened
> >> to a full sit-down crowd, citing his rights as an American.  He
> >> apparently forgot that restaurants are already subject to lots of
> >> rules, and the county health department can pull his health permit.
> >> Heck, they regulate how big your sign can be, what hours you can be
> >> open, maximum occupancy, whether you can serve liquor (or sprouts or
> >> foie gras), whether you can hand out plastic straws.  The idea that a
> >> business is free to do whatever it wants, free of government
> regulation, is kind of divorced from reality.
> >>
> >> I don't necessarily agree with the way any level of government is
> >> handling this, but not because of my rights and freedoms.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 1:53 PM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Steve Jones
> >> 
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> >>
> >> To those saying "why should I have to wear a mask when in public"
> >> do you also complain about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"?
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Erich Kaiser]

yes you are right.


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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> More like 4.9 to 7.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>
>
>
> Two of the UNII  bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean
> heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum
> proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor.  I feel like from a reliability
> standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general.
>  What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able
> to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently?  Just thinking...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:
>
>
>
> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A
> Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an
> AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must
> have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the
> "client AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative,
> so the licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole
> bunch of companies have already been working on AFCs.
>
>
> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It
> is limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be
> weatherproof, must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24
> dBm). Since those can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit
> concerned. But between building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the
> directionality of the FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is
> likely to be a volume market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff,
> and ours, will be standard power.
>
> The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like
> cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for
> AFC-controlled devices."
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Yep...lots of buzz from this
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order.  they are
> hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6
> Gigahertz today.
>
> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Erich Kaiser]

Two of the UNII  bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean
heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum
proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor.  I feel like from a reliability
standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general.
 What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able
to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently?  Just thinking...






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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:
>
> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A
> Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an
> AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must
> have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the
> "client AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative,
> so the licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole
> bunch of companies have already been working on AFCs.
>
> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It
> is limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be
> weatherproof, must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24
> dBm). Since those can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit
> concerned. But between building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the
> directionality of the FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is
> likely to be a volume market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff,
> and ours, will be standard power.
>
> The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like
> cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for
> AFC-controlled devices."
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Yep...lots of buzz from this
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order.  they are
>>> hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6
>>>> Gigahertz today.
>>>>
>>>> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?
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Re: [AFMUG] billing

[Erich Kaiser]

We run 6 different network monitor platforms, they all do somewhat
specific things and are in house.  I don't see how you can only run one
especially it being Pulse which is very limited.  As for DNS, there is no
reason to run your own DNS for recursive IMO, I have one dns server setup
for RDNS but we use Open DNS for primary and google for backup, been doing
that for several years no issues.  If anything we would look at moving away
from using google all together and maybe use cloudflare or something as a
secondary.   VMs are the way to go if your software platform supports it.



On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> That’s kind of harsh, or was that humor?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] billing
>
>
>
> This guy probably doesn't run his own DNS ;P
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:48 PM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, that is something we need to continually consider, and I am not
> trying to resurrect the SaaS apps vs own it and run it yourself debate .
> However, we are pretty small.   We have a few Techs,  a
> scheduling/technician support person and me.That means every hour spent
> upgrading Linux, building a new VM, making sure backups are working, etc is
> an hour not spent building the next tower.  For me, it is a poor trade off,
> I will gladly pay a monthly fee and let someone else do that.   I also know
> myself well enough to know I won’t do as good a job of patching VMs,
> backing them up, and overall operational run of the servers as someone who
> does that for a living.  I expect that will change some day, but for now,
> unfortunately that is where we are at.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] billing
>
>
>
> The cost of running an ISP is that you have to run an ISP.  ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> I see a lot of people trying to run server-less, and you just can't...  at
> least not while being responsible. If you've got one VM, the work in more
> VMs isn't dramatically different.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"David Coudron" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:35:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] billing
>
> I hear ya, but it is another system to support/upgrade/backup etc.We’d
> really like to be in the business of building the ISP network and get out
> of the server/application support business.   We have looked at quite a few
> monitoring systems, but haven’t found a good mix of hosted, robust, and
> reasonably priced.Additionally, you need to either put them in the
> central office and live with more traffic flowing over your DIA, or find
> some sort of distributed SNMP polling solution.   One of the biggest
> reasons to move to Sonar for us was to get access to Pulse, and next
> generation network monitoring.   To some extent we feel like moved to a
> feature for feature comparison of where we were at with Powercode and a
> slightly less reliable monitoring systems since we don’t have the local
> BMUs grabbing the data.   We have moved Sonar pollers out further into the
> network to help with reliability, but now we have Linux devices we have to
> remotely maintain again.   I know I am whining about this, but we thought
> we would be a lot closer to our ideal use case than where we ended up, and
> I am a little sore that so many things appear to be part of v2 and it just
> keeps being pushed a little beyond our reach.
>
>
>
> Ideally we would like this to be the case, if it is possible and we
> haven’t stumbled on it yet, we’d love to hear about it.
>
>
>
>1. SNMP monitoring data collected on the Mikrotiks and passed to a
>central database.   Reasoning – We have them everywhere, we already
>committed to maintaining them and they are close to the devices we want to
>get data from.
>2. SNMP monitoring system lives inside of our billing system so that
>we have the tie from customer router to SM to tower AP to tower router, to
>core 

[AFMUG] Optic DIsh Feedhorn stock?

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone have any 11ghz Ceragon Feedhhorns for the WBMFG Optic 2ft dishes?


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Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX

[Erich Kaiser]

We use Netsapiens, if you can host it yourself, in the long run it makes
more sense.  Their NMS is rock solid.  We use bandwidth.com for the service
portion.



On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt  wrote:

> Right now we have a fortinet phone system with good number of extensions.
> Thinking of switching to hosted pbx to make it easier to use phone from
> home, when fiber is cut, etc. What is everyone else using for phone system?
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Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

[Erich Kaiser]

We use Lease Corporation of America for all of our leases, they don't care
what you buy.


Erich Kaiser





On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dev  wrote:

> Has anyone had a good experience with equipment lease/purchase/finance
> companies for things like mini-ex, directional bore, etc? Our local banks
> are totally clueless on equipment, so you have to go find a broker (who
> takes a cut) who shops it to an out-of-state non-retail bank.
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S

[Erich Kaiser]

I believe if you enabled adaptive tx power admin it allows you to go up to
max tx power.


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On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:20 AM Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> So I’m configuring these for the first time. I ran the configuration
> wizard but I’m seeing that the power dbm is set to a max of 16 but my
> license says I can go to 22. Anyone had this happen or am I confused? I
> haven’t found any answers on the website to what I’m looking for.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Migrating to DC + IX

[Erich Kaiser]

Graham,

Just sent you an email offlist.

Erich Kaiser

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 11:39 AM Graham McIntire  wrote:

> We're migrating our network from DIA to fiber backhaul to a DC in
> Dallas to hop directly on the IX. I have all of the DC side handled,
> but I'm stumbling with the fiber backhaul to the DC.
>
> Our current infrastructure is already on-net with at and spectrum. I
> keep getting quotes back that have a fee for both ends and end up much
> more than the same DIA circuit. Should I be asking for dedicated
> wavelength instead?
>
> If anyone wants to earn some consulting money to help me figure this
> out, email me directly and let me know.
>
> Graham McIntire
> Verona Networks
> President/Owner
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Re: [AFMUG] Associating NET HANDLE with ASN

[Erich Kaiser]

Route objects are becoming more of a requirement now and recommend everyone
have a route object entry for every parent netblock at minimum.   Origin AS
(Registered via Arin) is very important as well.  Several Upstreams/IX
require these now and its only going to become more so.


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> As I think Mike pointed out, it’s an IRR thing.  Which I believe is
> optional but recommended.  When you ask your upstreams to modify their BGP
> filters so you can advertise that netblock, they may balk if the IRR
> doesn’t show it’s a valid advertisement.  I’m not really an IRR expert.
> For all I know, once you get into the registry, the filter thing might be
> automatic.
>
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/irr/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Monday, February 3, 2020 2:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Associating NET HANDLE with ASN
>
>
>
> once you announce it will, not needed.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 12:14 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> The Prefix isnt showing up in AS lookups, So I dont know that my upstreams
> will accept the LOA for the BGP filters. I have a ticket open with ARIN
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:50 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/MAXWI/pft
>
>
>
>
>
> What are you expecting to be different?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, February 3, 2020 1:05:41 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Associating NET HANDLE with ASN
>
> Im having a hard time getting our new ARIN direct allocation
> associated with our ASN. It Is Listed as an IP Network with our ORGID. I
> just dont see any difference between our existing allocation and the new
> one. The Reporting Assignments document doesnt seem clear. Im assuming its
> something dumb Im skipping over, but I cant figure it out.
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Re: [AFMUG] The Future

[Erich Kaiser via AF]

I think they don't like providing them anymore due to maintenance and
hardware costs.  We have one in SLC due to no Netflix peering available,
most major cities they are on the local IX or you can get a PNI with them.




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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:03 PM  wrote:

> I dunno, we got one years ago.  Just asked for it.
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The Future
>
> You need enough traffic to justify it, they are not easy to get.  You
> would be better off going to an IX where they exist.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:47 PM  wrote:
>
>> Can't you get a netflix box from netflix?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:42 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Darin Steffl
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future
>>
>> We have a Netflix CDN... I'm literally trying to get a MikroTik
>> consultant who can write a simple queue.
>>
>> I'm finally just giving up on a consultant and just need to find the
>> time to do it myself.
>>
>> It's really not that hard... you know the IPs for your Netflix CDN... it
>> doesn't change.  You need a queue that matches to the source of that CDN
>> going to each end user.
>>
>> On 1/23/20 5:04 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>> > Matt,
>> >
>> > Caching is something from the 90's unless it's with a direct CDN
>> provider
>> > like Akamai or Netflix. If you're trying to do this yourself without
>> > having an appliance or server farm from a CDN, you're dreaming. This is
>> > why you won't find a Mikrotik consultant that can do the job for you.
>> >
>> > Gone are the days of T1's and HTTP caches so get with the times.
>> Upgrade
>> > your middle mile circuits so this isn't a concern.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Steve Jones > > <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > you have to log into the netflix account and set it off auto for
>> > each sub account
>> >
>> > ours was 512k max. maybe resolution on a tv would have been
>> > pixelated we did our verifications from PC
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:25 PM Adam Moffett > > <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Interesting.
>> >
>> > On 1/23/2020 4:23 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >  > The cell carriers have caching servers installed so they can
>> >  > manipulate the traffic.   We are working on doing something
>> > similar...
>> >  > but so far every MikroTik consultant I've hired has screwed
>> > me on this.
>> >  >
>> >  > On 1/23/20 4:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >  >> If I recall correctly, they have lower quality levels for
>> > mobile
>> >  >> users on 4G.  I wonder how they know you're mobile and
>> > whether you
>> >  >> can trick the system into counting your user as mobile.
>> >  >>
>> >  >>
>> >  >> On 1/23/2020 4:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> >  >>> Yeah, last I looked that's what they said the lowest
>> > quality needed.
>> >  >>> A few years back I did some testing with various speeds,
>> > and I think
>> >  >>> I got down to somewhere around 500k before Netflix would
>> > break. But
>> >  >>> even then, the picture quality was getting pretty ugly.
>> >  >>>
>> >  >>> But seriously... if Netflix defaulted to lower quality (not
>> > lowest,
>> >  >>> but in the middle), and made you set it higher if you
>> > wanted, most
>> >  >>> people would never know or care... and it'd save a lot of
>> > bandwidth.
>> >  >>>
>> >  >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:14 PM Adam Moffett
>> > mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> >  >>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>>
>> > wrote:
>> >  >>>
>> >  >>> I'm pretty sure the l

Re: [AFMUG] The Future

[Erich Kaiser]

You need enough traffic to justify it, they are not easy to get.  You would
be better off going to an IX where they exist.





On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:47 PM  wrote:

> Can't you get a netflix box from netflix?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:42 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Darin Steffl
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future
>
> We have a Netflix CDN... I'm literally trying to get a MikroTik
> consultant who can write a simple queue.
>
> I'm finally just giving up on a consultant and just need to find the
> time to do it myself.
>
> It's really not that hard... you know the IPs for your Netflix CDN... it
> doesn't change.  You need a queue that matches to the source of that CDN
> going to each end user.
>
> On 1/23/20 5:04 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> > Matt,
> >
> > Caching is something from the 90's unless it's with a direct CDN
> provider
> > like Akamai or Netflix. If you're trying to do this yourself without
> > having an appliance or server farm from a CDN, you're dreaming. This is
> > why you won't find a Mikrotik consultant that can do the job for you.
> >
> > Gone are the days of T1's and HTTP caches so get with the times. Upgrade
> > your middle mile circuits so this isn't a concern.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Steve Jones  > > wrote:
> >
> > you have to log into the netflix account and set it off auto for
> > each sub account
> >
> > ours was 512k max. maybe resolution on a tv would have been
> > pixelated we did our verifications from PC
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:25 PM Adam Moffett  > > wrote:
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> > On 1/23/2020 4:23 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >  > The cell carriers have caching servers installed so they can
> >  > manipulate the traffic.   We are working on doing something
> > similar...
> >  > but so far every MikroTik consultant I've hired has screwed
> > me on this.
> >  >
> >  > On 1/23/20 4:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >  >> If I recall correctly, they have lower quality levels for
> > mobile
> >  >> users on 4G.  I wonder how they know you're mobile and
> > whether you
> >  >> can trick the system into counting your user as mobile.
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> On 1/23/2020 4:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> >  >>> Yeah, last I looked that's what they said the lowest
> > quality needed.
> >  >>> A few years back I did some testing with various speeds,
> > and I think
> >  >>> I got down to somewhere around 500k before Netflix would
> > break. But
> >  >>> even then, the picture quality was getting pretty ugly.
> >  >>>
> >  >>> But seriously... if Netflix defaulted to lower quality (not
> > lowest,
> >  >>> but in the middle), and made you set it higher if you
> > wanted, most
> >  >>> people would never know or care... and it'd save a lot of
> > bandwidth.
> >  >>>
> >  >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:14 PM Adam Moffett
> > mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> >  >>> >>
> > wrote:
> >  >>>
> >  >>> I'm pretty sure the lowest quality level on Netflix
> > needs 0.7
> >  >>> mbps.  If your rule ended up giving them 256k+512k then
> > it would
> >  >>> have worked.
> >  >>>
> >  >>>
> >  >>> On 1/23/2020 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >   Way back in the day, when powercode had the old type
> > queue, we
> >   built our basic one to buffer at 512 long enough to
> > maintain a 2
> >   hour sd stream at 256k with periodic 512k bucket
> > refills. so
> >   really it was 512k effectively. It may very vell be
> that
> >   expectations of "standard" definition were different
> > back then.
> >   but I thought that was an actual resolution standard
> >  
> >   On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM Ken Hohhof
> > mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> >   >>
> > wrote:
> >  
> >   I don’t remember ever being able to stream Netflix
> > on 256K.
> >   1M maybe, and 1.5M still gives you decent SD.
> You’re
> > going
> >   to need at least 2.5M though for HD.  So that’s
> > one part of
> >   the answer is HD.  Some streaming services, like
> > DirecTV On
> >   Demand, don’t have adaptive video quality and want
> > a minimum
> >   of 5M to 

Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Erich Kaiser]

You are 100% correct this is what my attorney said.





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM  wrote:

> If it is aerial, it is probably on poles you do not own.
>
> If you are paying for a pole attachment, then you are covered by the
> easement of the pole owner.
> I would simply ignore the situation.
>
> If a landowner brings it up tell they you are in the public utility ROW.
> Have them prove you wrong.
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property
>
> So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from
> previous ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we
> need to have some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a
> Public ROW?  Its zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it
> as well.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Erich Kaiser]

[image: image.png]






On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> You have to check the easement terms the utility company has over said
> property. If it is worded such that they only have it for their company and
> their specific utility use then you need your own. If it has more general
> wording that it includes communications/telephone easement as well then you
> should be ok. I am not a lawyer however and did not stay at a Holiday Inn
> Express last night.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property
>
>
>
> So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from
> previous ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we
> need to have some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a
> Public ROW?  Its zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it
> as well.
>
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Utility Easement over private property

[Erich Kaiser]

So we have run into a situation where our aerial fiber (Put in from
previous ownership) is over a utility easement over private property, do we
need to have some type of agreement with land owner or is this considered a
Public ROW?  Its zoned as an easement and citys water lines run through it
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

Distance?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:47 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one
> more.
> It's the only way to go
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL?
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel.  Once.
>> In practice.  OK, define “land”.  Walk away?  Able to skate again once the
>> cast comes off?
>>
>>
>>
>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as
>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet.  Once I thought the only
>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines.
>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over
>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even
>> outage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like
>> hitting all green lights on the way to work.  It’s nice, but you don’t bet
>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no
>> apparent reason.  Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain.  Maybe if you have all
>> really short links.  We are rural and don’t have that luxury.  Most of our
>> links are 6-10 miles.  And given that our climate future seems to look like
>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is
>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Internet.**​*
>> *​*
>> *Phone.**​**TV.*
>>
>> *Andreas Wiatowski*
>>
>> CEO/Founder
>>
>> Silo
>>
>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>>
>>  |
>>
>> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>>
>> *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> [EXTERNAL]
>>
>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>
>>
>>
>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
>> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>> combiner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino** Villarini *
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

Is the 4200 on their website?

Erich Kaiser
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:06 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> SIAE was our radio of choice after a really bad experience with cambium.
> Both cambium and siae not having SFP+ ports has really hurt us and we won't
> buy any more radios that don't have them.
> SIAE is supposed to an AP2 that does have an SFP+ interface but I haven't
> seen it yet.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
>> Will give it a look.  Sounds very reasonable.
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement.  I think aviat is working
>>> really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio
>>> platform.
>>> while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I
>>> like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat
>>> store.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
>>>> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including
>>>> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter <
>>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb
>>>>> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave
>>>>>>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>>>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>>>>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they
>>>>>>> sell that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> combiner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Gino** Villarini *
>>>>>>> Founder/President
>>>>>>> @gvillarini
>>>>>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>>>>>> m:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-l

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

Will give it a look.  Sounds very reasonable.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> That's correct. 2 year advanced replacement.  I think aviat is working
> really hard to get in to the wisp market with a wisp focused radio
> platform.
> while everyone else, is still just doing what they have always done. I
> like being able to jump on their website and just buy a link from aviat
> store.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> And that $11k includes pretty much everything you need, including
>> advanced replacement warranty, SFP's, etc.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over $11k. Does 1.4Gb
>>> and has an SFP+ interface. it's my new fave radio
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave
>>>>> and Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
>>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they
>>>>> sell that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be
>>>>> an option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
>>>>> combiner.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gino** Villarini *
>>>>> Founder/President
>>>>> @gvillarini
>>>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>>>> m:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
>>>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
>>>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo]
>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo]
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
&

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and
> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
> that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
> combiner.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. insta-logo]
> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. in-logo]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. tw-logo]
> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. yt-logo]
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
>
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one
> dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>
>
>
> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell
that goes between the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels could be an
option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
combiner.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C?
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500]
> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo]
> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>  [image: insta-logo]
> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>  [image: in-logo]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>  [image:
> tw-logo]
> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>   [image: yt-logo]
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios
>
>
>
> PTP820C does this its called ACCP.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one
> dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>
>
>
> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Erich Kaiser]

PTP820C does this its called ACCP.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one
> dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.
>
>
>
> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And
> do any have non-adjacent channels?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links

[Erich Kaiser]

Yes, once you get your first one configured its not bad, I had an issue as
well with the first link.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Support.
>
> One thing about the IP20/PTP820 is that it's not obvious how to configure
> it correctly.  Plan to spend some time with the manuals or plan to call
> support.  I put in a ticket to Cambium support and they set my link up for
> me and I didn't have to do anything and never had to touch it since.  --and
> I ended up paying about the same price as I would have paid Ceragon.  I
> don't know what Ceragon support is like in general, but when I called them
> about an IP10 some years ago and I didn't have a support contract they
> wouldn't even provide firmware.  I'm sure they're awesome when you pay them.
>
>
> On 1/9/2020 8:44 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> PTP820 - why buy from Cambium instead of direct from Ceragon?
>
> On Jan 9, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
> 56mhz throughput data capacities vs 80mhz throughput data capacities is a
> significant factor.  Plus can the AF11 do ACCP (Unless yo use 2 dishes or a
> custom combiner)?   We had a link recently with only 80mhz channels
> available on vertical.  Getting to 4096 QAM is not easy on longer links
> (Probably anything over 4-5miles) IMO.I am a huge fan of Ceragon
> IP/20/Cambium PTP820 very reliable radios with a great feature set.  The
> only thing they are missing is a SFP+ port (Which I believe is coming on a
> new version)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:27 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> The efficiency is a dumpster fire. 256 QAM radios have about the same
>> spectral efficiency.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:23:41 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>>
>> Well, the efficiency isn't quite that bad. at 1024QAM (they actually do
>> support 2048QAM now too) they can do somewhere around 350-375Mbps per
>> polarity using a 56mhz channel, which is about the same as what our old SAF
>> Lumina can do at 256QAM... of course if you figure that as an 80mhz
>> channel, rather than 56mhz, it's pretty bad. I'm pretty sure that it
>> doesn't meet the FCC efficiency requirements at the lowest modulations, but
>> you'd have to have a pretty poorly engineered link for that to be a problem.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> If I remember right the biggest spectral efficiency problem with the
>>> AF-11x is that it uses both polarizations yet only gets the throughput of a
>>> single pol link.  Could be difficult to license if you can’t get both
>>> polarizations.  Good news, if you’re successful getting the license, you
>>> should be able to modify the license and upgrade to a true 1.3+ Gbps full
>>> duplex radio from SIAE, Aviat, Cambium, etc.  Bad news, if you’re pushing
>>> the distance such that you can’t run 1024QAM or better most of the time,
>>> you may not meet the FCC minimum spectral efficiency requirement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:28 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, but the AF11 actually has to use an 80mhz emission designator,
>>> even though it's really only using 56mhz... so theoretically, if you
>>> upgrade the link to radios that can handle 80mhz, you shouldn't have any
>>> problems licensing it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:11 AM Daniel White  wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links

[Erich Kaiser]

Cheaper...

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Stocking distributors and local support?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 7:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>
>
>
> PTP820 - why buy from Cambium instead of direct from Ceragon?
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
> 56mhz throughput data capacities vs 80mhz throughput data capacities is a
> significant factor.  Plus can the AF11 do ACCP (Unless yo use 2 dishes or a
> custom combiner)?   We had a link recently with only 80mhz channels
> available on vertical.  Getting to 4096 QAM is not easy on longer links
> (Probably anything over 4-5miles) IMO.I am a huge fan of Ceragon
> IP/20/Cambium PTP820 very reliable radios with a great feature set.  The
> only thing they are missing is a SFP+ port (Which I believe is coming on a
> new version)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:27 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> The efficiency is a dumpster fire. 256 QAM radios have about the same
> spectral efficiency.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:23:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>
> Well, the efficiency isn't quite that bad. at 1024QAM (they actually do
> support 2048QAM now too) they can do somewhere around 350-375Mbps per
> polarity using a 56mhz channel, which is about the same as what our old SAF
> Lumina can do at 256QAM... of course if you figure that as an 80mhz
> channel, rather than 56mhz, it's pretty bad. I'm pretty sure that it
> doesn't meet the FCC efficiency requirements at the lowest modulations, but
> you'd have to have a pretty poorly engineered link for that to be a problem.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If I remember right the biggest spectral efficiency problem with the
> AF-11x is that it uses both polarizations yet only gets the throughput of a
> single pol link.  Could be difficult to license if you can’t get both
> polarizations.  Good news, if you’re successful getting the license, you
> should be able to modify the license and upgrade to a true 1.3+ Gbps full
> duplex radio from SIAE, Aviat, Cambium, etc.  Bad news, if you’re pushing
> the distance such that you can’t run 1024QAM or better most of the time,
> you may not meet the FCC minimum spectral efficiency requirement.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>
>
>
> Yeah, but the AF11 actually has to use an 80mhz emission designator, even
> though it's really only using 56mhz... so theoretically, if you upgrade the
> link to radios that can handle 80mhz, you shouldn't have any problems
> licensing it.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:11 AM Daniel White  wrote:
>
> You license an emission designatior... not a channel per se.
>
> When you license 56MHz of spectrum you use the 80MHz channel plan but
> there isn't 24MHz of unused spectrum sitting there... it gets used up
> pretty quickly for other paths, etc.
>
> So moral of the story... don't do that.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links

[Erich Kaiser]

56mhz throughput data capacities vs 80mhz throughput data capacities is a
significant factor.  Plus can the AF11 do ACCP (Unless yo use 2 dishes or a
custom combiner)?   We had a link recently with only 80mhz channels
available on vertical.  Getting to 4096 QAM is not easy on longer links
(Probably anything over 4-5miles) IMO.I am a huge fan of Ceragon
IP/20/Cambium PTP820 very reliable radios with a great feature set.  The
only thing they are missing is a SFP+ port (Which I believe is coming on a
new version)






On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:27 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The efficiency is a dumpster fire. 256 QAM radios have about the same
> spectral efficiency.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:23:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>
> Well, the efficiency isn't quite that bad. at 1024QAM (they actually do
> support 2048QAM now too) they can do somewhere around 350-375Mbps per
> polarity using a 56mhz channel, which is about the same as what our old SAF
> Lumina can do at 256QAM... of course if you figure that as an 80mhz
> channel, rather than 56mhz, it's pretty bad. I'm pretty sure that it
> doesn't meet the FCC efficiency requirements at the lowest modulations, but
> you'd have to have a pretty poorly engineered link for that to be a problem.
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If I remember right the biggest spectral efficiency problem with the
>> AF-11x is that it uses both polarizations yet only gets the throughput of a
>> single pol link.  Could be difficult to license if you can’t get both
>> polarizations.  Good news, if you’re successful getting the license, you
>> should be able to modify the license and upgrade to a true 1.3+ Gbps full
>> duplex radio from SIAE, Aviat, Cambium, etc.  Bad news, if you’re pushing
>> the distance such that you can’t run 1024QAM or better most of the time,
>> you may not meet the FCC minimum spectral efficiency requirement.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:28 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, but the AF11 actually has to use an 80mhz emission designator, even
>> though it's really only using 56mhz... so theoretically, if you upgrade the
>> link to radios that can handle 80mhz, you shouldn't have any problems
>> licensing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:11 AM Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>> You license an emission designatior... not a channel per se.
>>
>> When you license 56MHz of spectrum you use the 80MHz channel plan but
>> there isn't 24MHz of unused spectrum sitting there... it gets used up
>> pretty quickly for other paths, etc.
>>
>> So moral of the story... don't do that.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: photograph]
>>
>>
>> *Daniel White*Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
>>
>> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
>> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770
>>
>> 3172 N Rainbow Blvd PMB 20394
>> Las Vegas, Nevada 89108
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Seth Mattinen wrote on 1/8/20 09:54:
>>
>> On 1/8/20 8:36 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>> if you have an 80mhz channel and are running radios in 56mhz channel
>> width can u just put a 2nd link up and split them up to the two 40mhz?
>>
>>
>>
>> No, that's not allowed. You need to license two 40MHz channels.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Tracking

[Erich Kaiser]

We use track your truck, integrates with Sonar.





On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 9:30 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Using TrackYourTruck because it works with Powercode's map.
>
> It's kind of expensive, I think 27/mo/vehicle?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:00 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Bouncie
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 8:46 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny - fleetmatics costs money while FordPass is free.
>>>
>>> I can track my trucks with FordPass for free.
>>>
>>> Granted fleetmatics has more details. But still. Makes you think.
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We use Fleetmatics on Verizon for vans and buses.   We have a large TV
>>> on wall always monitoring them in command center.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 5:19 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 So since my Delphi Units apparently just suddenly terminated, what else
 is out there for vehicle tracking?

 We liked the delphi units because they were just on the Verizon bill
 for
 $5 each.

 It looks like most of vehicle tracking services are about
 $20/month/vehicle.

 Sonar can do some vehicle tracking integration.  Looks like the
 cheapest
 option for sonar compatible one's is Vyncs, which is $100/year.  That's
 not much more than the $5 from Verizon, but you don't get a hotspot
 with
 it.  I'm not sure that's a huge deal as I always have my phone.

 Any services to check out?

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links

[Erich Kaiser]

I think he is talking about ACCP, the Cambium PTP820Cs can do this as well.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:04 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Steve,
>
> What do you mean by they can do more than an 80mhz channel? As far as I
> know, that's the largest channel size allowed in FCC land for licensed
> backhauls.
>
> Educate me if I'm wrong. It sounds interesting
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 10:31 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> aviat can do even more than 80 in fcc if you can get a spare channel.
>> youd want to talk to Ken Ruppel  Price is crazy
>> good. We are going to be doing 3 of them here shortly. a buddy of mine got
>> aviat certified and had been installing a bunch on contract, says the gear
>> is easy to deal with and the interface if hired antenna slinger friendly
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:18 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We've had them for a few years... very reliable.. work well... only do
>>> 56Mhz of 80MHz channel width.   Aviat will do the full 80MHz for only a
>>> small amount more (I believe).
>>>
>>> You can also run 2 x 11x links and divide the 80MHz up to 40Mhz+ 40MHz
>>> and get about 1.2Gbps vs the 700Mbps you'll get with a 56MHz link.
>>>
>>> On 1/8/20 10:08 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>>> > Anybody have more than a couple of these thing in place for while that
>>> > can comment on their Pros / Cons ?
>>> >
>>> > Needing to buy 8 licensed links and looking for reliable, but cost
>>> effective
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> > *Paul McCall, President *
>>> >
>>> > *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>> >
>>> > *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>> >
>>> > *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>> >
>>> > *772-564-6800*
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Poor download speeds

[Erich Kaiser]

We had a customer with an issue like this the other day ended up being a
line card in the transport carriers dwdm gear.  He was getting like
1Mbps/100Mbps on speedtests.   You also want to look at your optics if
provider tested the circuit clean, replace it and replace the patch cable
to the NID.





On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 7:47 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I have a DWDM circuit that is giving me almost the exact same issue.
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 6:12 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I’m at a loss on this one.
>>
>> We have a circuit with a fiber provider that aggregate at prime time can
>> hit 800mbps download.
>>
>> However, with a high end laptop connected directly to the fiber NID we
>> can’t get more than 200-250mbps sustained download to any speed test (
>> speedtest.net, fast.com, speed.ui.com) and it just starts slowly going
>> down. Upload is around 800mbps.
>>
>> Same laptop on a Level3 circuit will easily hit gigabit in both
>> directions.
>>
>> We setup an iperf server and see the same thing. The provider brings an
>> iperf server in and they can hit the proper speeds going to an off net
>> iperf server they have.  Provider speed tests to our iperf server and gets
>> the slower speeds.
>>
>> They say because they can’t find an issue when using their iperf server
>> there is no issue.
>>
>> I don’t even know what to suggest at this point.
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Re: [AFMUG] Flat drop clamp/hanger

[Erich Kaiser]

https://www.linemen-tools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=H-9086






On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 11:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> If you run flat drop cable along a wall, what kind of hardware do you
> secure it with?
> Is there something as simple as the single screw black flex clip, but
> made for flat drop cable?
>
> I've been putting in a flex clip and then zip tieing to the flex clip.
> I realized today that this is stupid and there must be a better way.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

[Erich Kaiser]

I heard they had issues with getting some specific chip for this line. This
was after the product was already developed.

The Apex Lynx product has been rock solid for us, not one issue in several
years vs the apex plus (wavelab heads) was crap.

Its going to be tough for them to come back after all these years, they are
going to need to release something with 4096 QAM to compete.


"Z" is probably flying his plane around the world...



On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 8:58 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If you’re talking the 6/11/18/23 GHz StrataPro, I think that may have been
> vaporware/brochureware.  Did anyone ever see an actual working piece of
> hardware?  I think the plan may have been to base it on the same Broadcom
> chipset we are now seeing in radios from vendors like Aviat.  I remember
> talking to John at a WISPAmerica show maybe 2015 about that product and not
> getting any specifics about availability dates.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Tim Withrow via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:11 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Tim Withrow 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.
>
>
>
> Who are the principals now?  Are they prior employees?
>
> If I remember right  John was over sales. Also If I recollect  some
> employees went to work for CTI, and there was a squirmish over that with
> prior mgmt.
>
> The StrataPro line that was released right before they closed up shop I
> don't see it mentioned anywhere, just the Apex and Orion line. Was this
> just a proprietary information buy on the product.or did they just assume
> the bussiness operations?
> --
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I guess it’s good to see Ray back, how many times has he been laid off and
> rehired now by Trango?  I wonder where he goes in the interim?  You’d think
> a more stable microwave company would hire him.
>
>
>
> Any guess if “Z” is still in the picture?  If they sold off the assets,
> probably not?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:00 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.
>
>
>
>
>
> No more dead or a live than Dragonwave.
>
>
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> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:16 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>
> Jim has too much Trango deployed in his network to let it disappear.  I
> don't see it going away anytime soon.
>
> New products though... not sure what their R capabilities are now.
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Daniel White*
>
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> [image: Facebook icon]   [image:
> LinkedIn icon]    [image:
> Youtbue icon] 
>
>
> Ryan Ray wrote on 3/4/19 22:10:
>
> Interesting. Just a little hard to trust a company that already went down.
> Fool me once
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:58 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I did not expect this one.
>
> Hello Adam,
>
> Ray Sewell here. I wanted to let you know that Trango Systems sold off its
> assets to a new company. The new company is Trango Networks, LLC.  Trango
> Networks will continue manufacturing the Orion/Lynx series of licensed
> microwave radios and providing support for most of the other products.  We
> are also actively developing new products.
>
> We are going to manufacture the Orion series. We’ll start with the Apex
> Orion which is our all outdoor system that runs on -48 Vdc via POE or
> Direct DC power.  It supports 1 copper and 1 fiber Ethernet port.  It is
> also capable of XPIC (Cross Polarization Interference Cancellation), 8 MB
> programmable packet buffer, Multilayer header compression to increase
> capacity, ultra-low latency & jitter in all ACM modes, Very high power and
> 500 Mbps FDX throughput on a 56 MHz channel.  Up to 761 Mbps FDX Layer 2
> using Header Compression.  The split design Giga Orion will be shipping by
> May.
>
> Some of the qualities that make us stand out from the competition.
>
>
>
> 1) High Quality US designed and manufactured products
>
> 2) Factory Direct - no middleman.
>
> 3) Ultra-Fast lead times for products.  Much is in stock or less than
> 2-week lead time for common bands/antenna sizes.
>
> 4) Pre-sales support- Free Path analysis, frequency availability analysis.
>
> 5) One stop shop for accessories, licensing, coordination.
>
> 6) Link Configuration based on customer inputs at ship time with box
> labeling
>
> 7) Online support ticketing, live person tech support and engineer
> escalation for tough problems.
>
> 8) Fast RMA turn times (< 2weeks).
>
> 9) Free software upgrades and technical data via Trango Support portal
>
> 10) Competitive pricing and warranty.
>
>
>
> Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Ray Sewell
>
> Technical Sales Support
>
> 858-248-4010 Direct
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Erich Kaiser]

+1







On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 1) Contracts are only as good as the money you are willing to spend suing
> the other party.  I have literally had a big telco say go ahead and sue us,
> we have lots of lawyers.
>
> 2) It seems standard practice to raise the price above what the contract
> says via random fees, the belief seems to be that fees are an act of god
> not covered by contracts.  And if you don't agree, refer to #1.  I remember
> one provider adding a fairly substantial property tax recovery fee mid
> contract.  I asked what property this referred to, and of course they
> basically laughed at me.  They would invent all sorts of bizarre fees just
> to get around the price stated in the contract, these new fees would just
> appear on the latest monthly bill with no explanation.
>
> Salespeople of course will do anything to make quota and commissions,
> especially since they will probably be gone by the time your contract comes
> up for renewal.  They are "agents" of the company with the power to make
> commitments on behalf of the company, but again, see #1.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:23 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth
>
> We are in a business of contracts.  And if it says they an change the
> contract, that's there for a reason..
>
> On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
> >> For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just put the
> >> connections in the name of the building owners instead of in the name
> >> of the companysound familiar?  Every single location received the
> >> same certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would run as fast
> >> as I could from that deal.and I did.
> >
> > Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just wanted
> > someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs, the rest
> > doesn't matter.
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - lithium battery jump pack review

[Erich Kaiser]

interesting..


On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 5:15 PM  wrote:

> You have to wonder how they do it.  High voltage battery pack with a huge
> DC-DC convertor or what?  Does not seem possible but my son has one and we
> use it on construction equipment all the time.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2019 4:10 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - lithium battery jump pack review
>
>
> I was skeptical of a lithium battery based device that fits in a glove
> compartment being able to jump start a big V8, but I picked up a NOCO GB70
> at Autozone for my son and it worked as advertised.
>
>
>
> At $200 it’s not cheap, actually more than a spare battery and a set of
> jumper cables.  But this gizmo is a lot safer and more compact.  No sparks
> to set off a hydrogen explosion, and no worries about reverse polarity or
> shorting the cables together.
>
>
>
> He has an old Grand Prix GXP which is hard to turn over and also seems to
> eat batteries every 2-3 years.  Oh, and it’s wicked cold out.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

[Erich Kaiser]

Existing Splice Point.






On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:11 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> They already have a closure there, so I think it's already been ring
> cut.  Just need them to add a pigtail in the middle.
>
> .I think I just answered my own question.  Thanks..
>
>
>
> On 1/24/2019 1:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Ring cut?
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January
> > 24, 2019 10:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Is there a term
> > for accessing an IRU in the middle?
> > I want to request an IRU where we pigtail out of one of their splice
> > cases somewhere in between the A and Z end.
> >
> > I want to stick an OADM in the middle to serve just one or two
> > properties that happen to lie in the middle of the run.  So I'll need
> > them to cut their two fibers, splice 4 times into a pigtail that goes
> > to my enclosure.  In my closure I loop those fibers through the East
> > and West ends of a MUX.
> >
> > Is there a term I should use for this so I sound like I know what I'm
> > asking for?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Tracking Down DualStack Problems

[Erich Kaiser]

There is no Netflix peering available in SLC, hence why we have a Cache box
there.

BTW we support Ipv6 :)  Sterling hit me up if interested in bandwidth in
SLC.  I will give you a good deal!



On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:08 PM Mike Hammett via AF  wrote:

> Looks like SLIX needs to put some effort into getting more content there.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, October 15, 2018 1:20:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tracking Down DualStack Problems
>
> Sort of.
>
>
>
> I get from Syriga and from a data center that has blended upstream
> including the SLC IX.
>
>
>
> Not sure if the IPv6 uses the IX much.
>
>
>
> One of my upstreams doesn’t BGP my IPv6 yet, so it’s just the Datacenter
> for the IPv6.
>
>
>
> That datacenter is connected directly to main colocation facilities in LA,
> San Jose, Seattle, Toronto, Virginia and others, so I often hit CDNs out in
> those colo’s instead of downtown SLC.
>
>
>
> Not sure that’s a bad thing, but it’s interesting and makes CDN streaming
> tracking a bit difficult as others have stated.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 11:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tracking Down DualStack Problems
>
>
>
> Where do you get your upstream from? Any IXes?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, October 15, 2018 12:20:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tracking Down DualStack Problems
>
> I’ve noticed this dual stack problem as well.
>
>
>
> Delays and IPv6 routes not optimized like IPv4, buffering and general
> issues as well.
>
>
>
> Long page loads as computers and devices search for IPv6 and get ghosted
> or timed out switching to IPv4.
>
>
>
> I mean I don’t even think eBay is IPv6 yet, for example.
>
> I could be wrong on that, but it seems to always go IPv4 by default and
> it’s the same on lots of sites still.
>
>
>
> For a time now I’ve rolled back IPv6 on most my network to reduce the
> overhead of obscure troubleshooting problems with routers, streaming and
> device compatibility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 8:09 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tracking Down DualStack Problems
>
>
>
> Recursive server network location is a huge concern for CDNs. Nate is okay
> in this regard, but your recursive server *MUST* be on the network the
> request is coming from.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:04:30 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tracking Down DualStack Problems
>
> Authoritative DNS is under the control of the content provider, it
> shouldn't
> matter whose resolver you are using, unless the content provider is using
> something like anycast DNS which might infer from the IP address of the
> resolver which A and  records 

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Erich Kaiser]

All of the in depth reporting software is not cheap.  Including most of the
ones i mentioned.  We also use observium and mrtg.  Observium does our bgp
peer monitoring.  Not one software will have everything you need IMO.


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 7:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I thought Solarwinds was like Tiffany’s (as in Breakfast at Tiffany’s,
> please don’t tell me you’ve never seen it).  Fun to window shop, nothing
> you can afford.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 6:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netflow
>
>
>
> We use:
>
> solarwinds
> as-stats
>
>
>
> for Fusion We collect sflow data.
>
>
>
> These are also good options
>
> Fastnetmon
>
> Scrutinizer
>
> Kentik
>
>
>
>
>
> Ntop is junk.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:32 PM Steve  wrote:
>
> What collectors do you use?
>
> I've used these the past
>
> Scrutinizer
> ManageEngine's Netflow Anaylzer
> Polygraph.io (cloud based now another company owns)
> NTOP
>
>
> Anyone have any other user friendly options that perform very well and are
> not too costly? For my purposes I'd be spitting out 1 x 10Gbps interface
> that would hold all the headers to the collector.
>
> Anyone know of any other on prem collectors or SSL secured cloud based?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Erich Kaiser]

We use:
solarwinds
as-stats

for Fusion We collect sflow data.

These are also good options
Fastnetmon
Scrutinizer
Kentik


Ntop is junk.




On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:32 PM Steve  wrote:

> What collectors do you use?
>
> I've used these the past
>
> Scrutinizer
> ManageEngine's Netflow Anaylzer
> Polygraph.io (cloud based now another company owns)
> NTOP
>
>
> Anyone have any other user friendly options that perform very well and are
> not too costly? For my purposes I'd be spitting out 1 x 10Gbps interface
> that would hold all the headers to the collector.
>
> Anyone know of any other on prem collectors or SSL secured cloud based?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Erich Kaiser]

You can use UNMS and/ or their integrated web interface.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
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On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:04 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Do the aircubes work with the Unifi cloud interface for management?
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:56 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the
>> Mimosa G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater
>> abilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
>>
>>
>>
>> We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater
>> mode if needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.
>> They are also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber
>> ONU.  All managed through UNMS.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
>> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
>> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
>> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
>> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
>> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
>> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
>> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
>> their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Erich Kaiser]

We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater mode
if needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.  They
are also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber ONU.
All managed through UNMS.






On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
> their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing

[Erich Kaiser]

yes 179 Social Hall, we have a local Netflix Cache box in our cab there as
well.  Not to mention every nexthop POP we are connected to a major IX,
LAX, DEN, SEA.

We are $1650/m for 10G on 3 yr term can also include content Vlan to
Realchoice on that.  We are connected to them at Social Hall.

Sincerely,


Erich Kaiser
er...@gotfusion.net





On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:50 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> You in Salt Lake City?
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:01 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing
>
> Thanks for the Fusion mention Dave.  We have worked hard the last several
> years building a network that is WISP/FISP friendly, offering flexibility
> in bandwidth costs, co-location, going where others would not, etc..
> Steering around all of these resellers that have popped up the last few
> years has been interesting.  A lot of them talk a big game. We are in
> trenches everyday dealing with Att, Windstream, Zayo, etc..   If you want
> to talk about Overheard costs to run a nationwide network, having colo in
> multiple major cities, it is not cheap.  Don't get me started on x-connects
> :(  but we try to stay as competitive as we can especially at our Primary
> POP locations.I actually don't understand why Cogent is giving
> bandwidth away as they are, kind of a red flag IMO.  They also are not
> peering friendly.  We are peering friendly.   We are closely priced to HE.
> Oh and we are part of the WISP industry, we even deliver bandwidth via
> licensed links to certain customers :)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Erich Kaiser
> The Fusion Network
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:33 AM Dave  wrote:
>
>> This is why I like fusion.. I get a 10G but only charged for 1G. The pipe
>> allows us to go over if we need it based on 96th percent.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/24/2018 01:07 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> 5 years is practically forever. The per gig sounds great but I am prone
>> to look at it more in the terms of need. If you only need 5 gig but you buy
>> 10 to get it at a better price, you really just doubled your "perceived
>> cost". To belabor the point, need 5 but bought 10 at $200 a gig? You just
>> paid $400 a gig.
>>
>> I will say when we had HE, Cogent, and Level3, I was always shocked how
>> much traffic went across the HE connection. I was expecting it to be the
>> lowest utilized and it was always the highest with over 70% of the traffic
>> with shaping or route forcing going on. Straight BGP.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Given how much things change in 5 years, I would be extremely reluctant
>>> to sign a 5 year contract for anything Internet or telecom related.
>>> Granted you can usually renegotiate as long as it’s upward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 5 years is an eternity in Internet years.  Anything over 2 years makes
>>> me uncomfortable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 10:18 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HE is at $1,000 month for 10 Gig circuit on 5-year term.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:10 AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just got quoted 3x that from Century Link.  Century Link's quote is
>>> half of what we're paying now.
>>>
>>> On 9/24/2018 11:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Latest circuit I am working on obtaining from Cogent is $220 per gig.  I
>>> can get it as low as $150 if I take a 100G circuit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing

[Erich Kaiser]

Thanks for the Fusion mention Dave.  We have worked hard the last several
years building a network that is WISP/FISP friendly, offering flexibility
in bandwidth costs, co-location, going where others would not, etc..
Steering around all of these resellers that have popped up the last few
years has been interesting.  A lot of them talk a big game. We are in
trenches everyday dealing with Att, Windstream, Zayo, etc..   If you want
to talk about Overheard costs to run a nationwide network, having colo in
multiple major cities, it is not cheap.  Don't get me started on x-connects
:(  but we try to stay as competitive as we can especially at our Primary
POP locations.I actually don't understand why Cogent is giving
bandwidth away as they are, kind of a red flag IMO.  They also are not
peering friendly.  We are peering friendly.   We are closely priced to HE.
Oh and we are part of the WISP industry, we even deliver bandwidth via
licensed links to certain customers :)

Sincerely,

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:33 AM Dave  wrote:

> This is why I like fusion.. I get a 10G but only charged for 1G. The pipe
> allows us to go over if we need it based on 96th percent.
>
>
>
> On 09/24/2018 01:07 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> 5 years is practically forever. The per gig sounds great but I am prone to
> look at it more in the terms of need. If you only need 5 gig but you buy 10
> to get it at a better price, you really just doubled your "perceived cost".
> To belabor the point, need 5 but bought 10 at $200 a gig? You just paid
> $400 a gig.
>
> I will say when we had HE, Cogent, and Level3, I was always shocked how
> much traffic went across the HE connection. I was expecting it to be the
> lowest utilized and it was always the highest with over 70% of the traffic
> with shaping or route forcing going on. Straight BGP.
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Given how much things change in 5 years, I would be extremely reluctant
>> to sign a 5 year contract for anything Internet or telecom related.
>> Granted you can usually renegotiate as long as it’s upward.
>>
>>
>>
>> 5 years is an eternity in Internet years.  Anything over 2 years makes me
>> uncomfortable.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 10:18 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing
>>
>>
>>
>> HE is at $1,000 month for 10 Gig circuit on 5-year term.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:10 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I just got quoted 3x that from Century Link.  Century Link's quote is
>> half of what we're paying now.
>>
>> On 9/24/2018 11:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Latest circuit I am working on obtaining from Cogent is $220 per gig.  I
>> can get it as low as $150 if I take a 100G circuit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> www.mnwifi.com
>>
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PTP400 replacement

[Erich Kaiser]

Go with the PTP670. Similar interface to PTP400,500 and 600.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Huh. So the only real difference I need isn't available. Figures.
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:22 AM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> The PTP550 has two radios in it that you can bond together. The DSO
>> ability hasn't been released in firmware.
>> When the DSO is operational, it will only change one channel at a time so
>> the link never goes down. You can also set
>> the channel width separately for each radio. Another note is that these
>> radios have not yet been approved for DFS
>> frequencies, so that will be another firmware upgrade to enable that.
>> About 5ms latency. Another feature in future
>> firmware will be GPS sync from a CMM5. (Or Packetflux I'm sure)
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I have a customer with a private PTP network built long ago,
>>> obviously, with PTP400 links. For years this has worked great and they have
>>> been happy. Recently, due to either lightening or another contractor issue,
>>> one of the three sites (2 of the the total 6 backhauls) are now dead. I
>>> could probably find some ancient stuff and maybe replace these two but I
>>> thought now would be a good time to get them into some supportable
>>> equipment.
>>>
>>> I would like something as trouble free as the PTP400. Throughput is a
>>> non issue as they only need about 2Mbs. The main deal is reliability and my
>>> desire to not have to jack with the thing due to outside influences be they
>>> weather or interference. Basically as close to the 400's trouble free
>>> operation as possible. Cost is a factor but not the primary one, yet
>>> something above $1000 each side is a non starter.
>>>
>>> I have looked at the PTP550 which is based on an AC chipset but says it
>>> has:
>>> Dynamic Spectrum Optimization (DSO)* With Dynamic Spectrum Optimization,
>>> PTP 550 systems are constantly optimizing the channel of operation to
>>> maximize link reliability and performance. Based on environment the PTP 550
>>> can be set to move or search better spectrum. As a result, customer can get
>>> more throughput with limited spectrum in even the most challenging
>>> environments
>>> I also looked at the ePMP Force series, based on the same chipset. I
>>> have used a bunch of these before but not in this demanding (reliability
>>> wise) environment. All the Force stuff seem to have a sentence like these:
>>> Configurable modes of operation ensure robust adaptivity to both
>>> symmetrical and asymmetrical traffic while providing high performance and
>>> round-trip latency as low as 3-5 ms.
>>> Configurable Modes of operation ensure robust adaptivity to both
>>> symmetrical and asymmetrical traffic while providing high performance and
>>> round-trip latency as low as 2 - 3 ms.
>>>
>>> So I guess my question is, for those using these products, is there
>>> really a big difference between the PTP550 line and the Force line? They
>>> are both based on the AC chipset so while there is maybe quite a bit they
>>> can do to enhance that I can't imagine it would be earth shattering.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Dear WISPA...

[Erich Kaiser]

>From recent experience, WISPA does not want to be in the middle of
Vendor/Member issues, so if this is different for this scenario for any
reason, that is unfair to our situation we had a few months ago.

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network




On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Chuck Hogg 
wrote:

> Gents:
>
> We as a board are listening to all of you.  None of this has gone
> unnoticed.  We're (board) meeting next week, and I doubt anything will
> happen on this case between now and then.  We mostly agree here with all of
> the arguments made and understand both sides.  Stay tuned.
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> That is my main point.  when i first heard about the lawsuit i didn't
>> think much of it because competitors sometimes sue each other and they are
>> both big companies and big companies usually build risks like that into
>> their business models.  When i dug further into the lawsuit and saw that
>> Ubiquiti was going after a WISP and a distributor for conspiracy charges
>> that's when all kinds of alarm bells went off because that is a whole other
>> ball of wax.
>>
>> If you look at the WISPA founding docs (I included some of them with my
>> original post) you will see that WISPA was partly formed to bring unity and
>> harmony to our industry.  At the time of formation we had WISPs fighting
>> neighboring WISPs and generally giving our industry a bad name and the
>> optics were awful.  WISPA really helped bring the community together and we
>> learned how to share spectrum and we all jumped in a helped each other
>> solve problems and design solutions.  That is the WISPA I joined and love.
>> Ubiquiti filing this lawsuit alleging conspiracy to hack goes directly
>> against all that we have worked for over the years.  And if a vendor member
>> is going to treat a WISP member this way then what's next?  Are WISPs going
>> to start fighting each other again and file idiotic lawsuits where no one
>> wins.
>>
>> We have A LOT of external battles to fight with competition, government,
>> regulation, the FCC etc.  We don't need to be fighting against each other
>> and that is a core principal of WISPA.  That's why I believe a "wait and
>> see" approach is misguided.  WISPA was created to help bring harmony and
>> unity to all it's members.  And if us WISP members are expected to treat
>> each other nicely then the vendors better treat us the nicely too.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Ben Royer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that’s my biggest issue here also.  Trying to be as unbiased in
>>> the matter as possible, the biggest issue I have is that they brought a
>>> Dist. and WISP into the lawsuit.  I think if this was filed solely against
>>> Cambium, everyone would have gone, ‘oh, that’s interesting, wonder what’s
>>> going to happen.’  The second they included a Dist. and WISP, I have to
>>> think every decent minded WISP and Dist. out there is going, ‘Wait, they
>>> sued for that? I don’t think I want to associate to these people anymore
>>> because I don’t want to be next.’  I could be wrong, but I feel for the
>>> WISP especially in this case. I think to speak more to the call to WISPA to
>>> take action, my view is this.  If I’m a WISP, and I join WISPA to better
>>> the community, a key component is I’m going to share my experience and
>>> expertise on certain things.  It’s my understanding, that’s ALL this WISP
>>> did.  They tried the product out, reported back to the company that sold it
>>> to them on how it performed, and then it was published.  So for another
>>> company to come along and say, ‘Wait, you can’t use that product and you
>>> certainly can’t promote the use of that product’, seems to me is the EXACT
>>> opposite of what WISPA is about.  It’s a VERY slippery slope they’ve opened
>>> up here.  I’m sure the WISP involved isn’t going to publically participate
>>> in any more studies or open BETA programs.  So you have to ask, what if
>>> people highly trust this WISP, what if a few other highly trusted WISP’s
>>> get the same treatment and shut down their open sharing of experience.  Is
>>> our industry growing now?  Is it benefiting from this?  Just my opinion,
>>> but THAT’S to me, the biggest issue here.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] NOC Full Rack pricing

[Erich Kaiser]

CoreSite, Equinix and DR you will pay similar pricing for x-connects, power
and space.  Others you will pay less for x-connect but similar to others
for power and space.   If you are going to go into a DC and spend the money
on transport, go to a true DC.  We are in 14 DCs across the US, so I am
very familiar with the variation in pricing if you have specific questions,
hit me up.  We have a full cab in Databank at 179 Social Hall, we have
space available if you are looking for space and bandwidth.

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network




On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> What’s a ‘normal’ or ‘average’ monthly rate now days for a full rack in a
> datacenter?
>
>
>
> I’m pricing upgrading my half rack to a full rack, but it’s a ‘ghetto’ NOC
> with questionable cooling and ‘maybe’ the generator will kick on after a
> minute type of situation.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

[Erich Kaiser]

I agree, it can become a maintenance nightmare.  It is not so much
installing it and getting it up and running but moving to new revisions of
windows and exchange, We got rid of all of our hosted services and put them
on O365, Best decision we made.  Not to mention the licensing is not cheap
either, once you add in the cost of Windows and Exchange and CALs, Spam
software...  Don't forget backups..

Erich Kaiser




On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I've built out 30k mailbox exchange implementations and honestly, unless
> you have someone to keep up on the patches / maintenance it's probably
> easier and cheaper to just use office 365.
>
> To do exchange properly, you're going to need a spam appliance of some
> sort, a couple load balancing appliances (f5).
>
> You don't really move your virtual machine DC or Exchange VM's. You have
> DAG groups with copies of your mailbox databases on multiple servers with
> cheap spinning storage. You should never snapshot an exchange machine, or a
> DC.
>
> Fill out your requirements on here https://gallery.technet.
> microsoft.com/office/Exchange-2013-Server-Role-f8a61780 and see what
> comes up.
>
> Of course you can also do exchange improperly / non high available, one
> server, one proxy server, if you lose it though, your email stops. So this
> really comes down to how resilient you would like your email to be.
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> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
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>> We are looking to subcontract a new build of Exchange / Domain
>> Controller.  Our thoughts are to buy a used box like this...
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-Dell-Precision-T7500
>> -12-Core-3-06GHz-X5675-No-OS-Wholesale/382099411087?hash=
>> item58f6e6508f%3Am%3AmoWAAapWvQJ0VWFy5npBnFQ=65098793854
>> 2&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=dell+precision+t7500+%2212-core%22&
>> _from=R40=nc_TitleDesc=0%7C0
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>> with 48GB.  They charge a whopping $ 60 to put in dual TB SATA drives and
>> establish the mirror (RAID 1) for you, so figured we might as well.
>> Although, in reality, I like the idea of an SSD drive for speed purposes,
>> but have not used them in a RAID 1 config.  Not sure if this box would
>> support that.
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>> Thinking of redundancy, we have a couple ProxMox boxes (pretty loaded but
>> could be used in a pinch to move the DC / Exchange VM over to it (IF we do
>> a VM).  So, might be good to do this box as a ProxMox VM also.
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>> So, looking for someone who can put this software install together for us
>> for a reasonable price.
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>> If you know somebody...
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>> Paul, PDMNet
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