Re: [AFMUG] FCC and residential antennas (OTARD)

2021-08-28 Thread Keefe John 
It can also apply to small tower sites.

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On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 1:52 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> My eyes cloud-over when reading something this large.  Can someone
> "bottom-line" this thing?  Can I go ask for money and get it now?
> On 8/26/21 09:18, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> But they can say don’t get on the roof for any reason.  Don’t dig a hole
> to mount a tower.  Don’t attach anything to anything.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2021 6:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC and residential antennas (OTARD)
>
>
> Property is still property.  A landlord can't tell the tenant "no
> antenna", but the landlord can say "no holes in my building."
>
> So kind of, but no not really.
>
>
>
>
> On 8/25/2021 5:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Am I reading this shit right? Property owners can be forced to be transmit
> locations?
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 4:07 PM Jacob Turner  wrote:
>
>> Yes:
>> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/02/25/2021-01304/fcc-modernizes-siting-rule-for-small-hub-and-relay-wireless-antennas
>>
>> --
>> Jacob Turner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 12:12 PM Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a proposed modification to the FCC "blessings" for permitting
>>> multiple antennas on residential buildings under OTARD.   Did that ever
>>> go anywhere?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Keefe John 
What's your idea of a token salary in respect to an S-Corp?

Keefe



On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:21 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp.
> However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary to avoid
> troublesome revenuers.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Corporation
> I am a minority shareholder.
> My wife is the majority shareholder.  But you still don’t have to pay
> shareholders anything.
> If they are on the board of directors they can earn a directors fee.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 12:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>
> I thought it was bad to have a business and not pay the owners "a
> reasonable salary".
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM  wrote:
>
>> dunno...  Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to?   I can take a
>> repayment on notes payable if I want money without any tax implication.  Or
>> I can take a directors fee without FICA if I want to take money.  But what
>> in the hell am I going to do with a bunch of money in my checking account?
>> I can buy more TSLA I guess.  I would rather have a Mincon pneumatic hammer
>> drill setup for my directional drills.
>>
>> Resisting the urge to buy a Tesla or an airplane.  I do miss the C-210
>> with known ice capability.  But an ultralight would be more fun.
>> Could do a sailboat but I would probably never use it.   I used to sail
>> on the Great Salt Lake.
>>
>> I am just fortunate to be semi-retired and not really wanting for
>> anything.
>> Other than visits from kids and grandkids.
>>
>> In other words “I have sufficient for my needs”.
>> Maybe a water jet or a CNC laser...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:37 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>>
>> Why were you not?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:19 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> We are still going to keep it sequestered.  I should have been paying
>>> myself...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:02 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan
>>>
>>> It's my understanding that in 8 weeks all you have to do is prove you
>>> did payroll for 75% of the amount loaned.  In your case, show 90k came out
>>> of the account to payroll.  The reports that the payroll company does, I'm
>>> told, should suffice.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:17 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Lewis,
 Are you taking any special measures to be able to prove you used the
 loan proceeds for approved uses?
 Kinda hard when they get comingled with other funds in a general
 checking account.
 I think we put them in a separate savings account.

 *From:* Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:09 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

 $10k? How many people do you have? I think I got nearly $500k between
 all the companies.

 On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 7:01 PM  wrote:

> Got our supposedly to be forgiven $10K loan today.  We shall see...
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

2020-03-30 Thread Keefe John 
What's the cost on those?


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:53 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Don't know if i had something else going on but my AF11 link that was
> showing 650mbps in the interface was never able to pass more than about
> 500mbps, switched to Aviat and wow 1.4bps full duplex is freaking amazing.
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:58 AM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> I messed up that last email. We're upgrading three AF11 links with Aviat
>> this spring. We'll move the AF11 links to other towers that could use more
>> than the 5ghz backhauls are providing.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 11:56 PM Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do what Kurt is doing and what I'm fine, replace the AF11 with aviat in
>>> same channels. The increase is from 650mb full duplex to 1400mb full
>>> duplex.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:24 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Here is a circulator and BPF style.  "Should" work great with very
 little
 loss.
 But expensive.

 -Original Message-
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:18 PM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner

 This is the hybrid combiner version.

 -Original Message-
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:06 PM
 To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner

 Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass
 filters
 on the transmitters.
 To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid
 combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.

 So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.

 -Original Message-
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
 To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: AF11 custom combiner

 Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a
 mistake
 here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
 I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
 Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
 than circulators.

 Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
 bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
 You could add the filters.

 Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.

 -Original Message-
 From: Nate Burke
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
 To: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner

 Both paths are dual polarity v/h
 SiteA
 Radio1 TX 11505
 Radio2 TX 11225

 SiteB
 Radio1 TX 11015
 Radio2 TX 10735

 Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
 high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
 single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
 dish, one radio on V one radio on H.

 Thanks,
 Nate


 On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 > 10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
 > Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on
 what
 > polarization.
 > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
 > 2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
 > The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as
 simple
 > as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with
 why
 > that won't work and present a solution for him.
 >
 > Channels we have are
 > 11505x11015 (high)
 > 11225x10735 (low)
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Nate
 >
 > On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 >> Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
 >> Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
 >> Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.
 >>
 >> If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you
 want to
 >> put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
 >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
 >> To: Chuck McCown
 >> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
 >>
 >> Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple
 places.  I
 >> have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do
 have
 >> 2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is
 there
 >> a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already
 have
 >> the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
 >> splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I
 didn't
 >> know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
 >> engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Keefe John 
The staple Wisconsin fish fry is cod or haddock but some places have perch,
bluegill, or walleye.

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:03 PM  wrote:

> I grew up in the pacific northwest.  Surgeon sometimes was fantastic,
> sometimes was so nasty fishy you could not eat it.  I guess it has to do
> with the preparation.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:50 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
> Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting sturgeon.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty much the same as Wisconsin
> except with better everything.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other
>> places had them during Lent too.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Keefe John
>>
>> CEO
>>
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>> Direct: 262.345.5200
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>>
>> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>>
>> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>>
>>
>>
>> No need to reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Carl.
>>
>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
>> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
>> we are suffering the consequences.
>>
>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>> flatten the curve.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
&g

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Keefe John 
Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:

> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>
>
>
> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>
> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>
> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>
>
>
> No need to reply.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I agree with Carl.
>
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
>
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
>
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
>
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
>
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Keefe John 
"The WISP industry is a strong and resilient one. We’re dedicated and
fearless. Attending WISPAMERICA sends a strong signal to others in the
communications industry, policymakers and your communities that you will
remain strong even in light of the day’s loud and oftentimes distracting
news coverage and circumstances. The novel coronavirus is not to be sniffed
at, but its risks are manageable – WISPs will not let these events paralyze
their service to customers and the community at large."


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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:09 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>> safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

2019-08-14 Thread Keefe John 
There's a dump in my town that burns the gasses to make electricity.  They
sell power for cheaper than our power utility charges but you'd still have
to pay to 'wheel' it across the utilities transmission network so it ends
up costing more anyways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeling_(electric_power_transmission)

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Direct: 262.345.5200

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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:13 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale
> electric company?
>
> The end-customer still gets service from the main power company, but
> usually gets a better rate through a third-party reseller of another
> generation provider.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT No audio on SIP trunks

2019-07-17 Thread Keefe John 
Internal or extra renumbering? Search all the asterisk configs for the old
IP. IP stuff is in multiple asterisk config files.

Keefe

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 7:49 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Still working on my office IP renumbering issues.  We are down to getting
> our Asterisk system back on its feet.  We can dial out from the office, the
> far end will receive a call but there is no audio in either direction.  Any
> suggestions?
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Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

2019-07-16 Thread Keefe John 
Is your loan to him in writing?  Exercise your rights and take over the
whole operation.

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:15 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Assuming he even has a business entity to file the UCC against.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/16/2019 7:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Most small operations don’t have financials, at least not good ones with a
> clean balance sheet and income statement.  Lots of off balance sheet loans
> etc that you cannot see.
>
> But assuming that they had squeaky clean financials, just go with annual
> net profit x5.
> Not exactly an ebidta multiple, but close.  I am guessing they have zero
> net profit each year.
>
> Start with 5 years of financials and tax returns.  If they cannot produce,
> run away.  But file that UCC no matter what unless you have a promissory
> note.  Heck even if you do have a promissory note.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 16, 2019 2:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Wisp value
>
> I've been mentoring a friend of mine, he's young and rather ambitious. He
> started out his 'wisp' using a residential cable connection, I've helped
> him for basically free for the last three years grow his base to 250
> customers, he just last week acquired a failing wisp with 65 subs on a no
> money down, pay us a commission basis. I've been managing most of his core
> network and providing him IPv4 and transit for a steal of a price, I even
> loaned him a substantial amount of cash recently to buy a bunch of surplus
> equipment. Well anyway I guess he got caught with another women and his
> wife is demanding he shut down or sell the wisp for whatever reason, he
> called and put this all on my plate today.
>
> Instead of offering to sell me the company (I don't really want it) he
> tellse that he's going to try selling to a local competitor whom I consider
> slightly a better personal than a child molester.
>
> So anyway I'll try to stop rambling, what's a wisp Worth these days? Gross
> revenue for a year is what I figure (max) with his all used ubnt equipment?
>
> The other dilemma is that he's about 3 months behind on his transit and
> his note is due for repayment Monday ~$15k total.
>
> I need a way to ensure I get paid current and I don't let him get behind
> during the 'sale'. I was thinking to quit being the nice guy and demand the
> past due balance + the note in full + 3 months transit in advance so I
> don't get screwed during the sale process if he gets behind again. I don't
> know if he can even come up with the money and my only leverage is to turn
> his port down... I have a strange feeling he may try to stall me as long as
> possible until the competition can thing in transit and run off without
> paying the bill
>
>
> Sorry for he rant, just sick of helping people because every time I do I
> end up regretting it.
>
> TJ
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Re: [AFMUG] bacon wrapped spam bites recipe

2019-07-06 Thread Keefe John 
Delicious!

Keefe

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 8:20 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> #cholesterolbombs
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
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> m:
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>  [image: fb-logo]
>   [image: insta-logo]
>   [image: in-logo]
>   [image:
> tw-logo]
> 
>   [image: yt-logo]
> 
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof <
> af...@kwisp.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Friday, July 5, 2019 at 7:51 PM
> *To: *'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] bacon wrapped spam bites recipe
>
>
>
> https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/bacon-wrapped-spam-bites/
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-04 Thread Keefe John 
How does your dragonwave version differ from the commscope standard version?

Keefe

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 9:50 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Look at the antenna.  The waveguide is either circular inside like a pipe
> or tube or it has a rectangular interior shape.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 4, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> Normally, the -A would designate Andrew (see here)
>
> https://www.scribd.com/document/348184480/Andrew-Antenna-Specs
>
> But, it really doesn’t matter - the whole reason for selling these as
> “Dragonwave” antennas is they controlled the flange or mount.  I believe
> that CommScope and RW were not allowed to sell the mount directly, and you
> had to go through DW to get it.  The specs on this antenna list it as
> single polarized, and you’ll have to look at the feedhorn to see what you
> have here.  If it’s not circular, you will have to get a dual-polarized
> feedhorn.
>
> I’m not up to speed on Chuck’s adaptor, but you may have to remove the DW
> flange or mount to get this to work properly with it.  Hopefully an OMT is
> included somewhere in here?
>
> https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=a-ant-11g-36-c
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
> The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A
>
> Keefe
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> These are the radiowaves ones.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope
>>> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or
>>> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>>
>>> The TX power is correct.
>>>
>>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
>>> issue when installed.
>>>
>>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are
>>> correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>>>
>>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities
>>> at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual
>>> pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically
>>> on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>> Keefe John
>>> CEO
>>> Ethoplex
>>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>>> 
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>>> http://www.ethoplex.com/
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down
>>>> but doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used
>>>> Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're
>>>> seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original
>>>> Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A

Keefe

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:

> These are the radiowaves ones.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>
>> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope
>> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or
>> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>
>> The TX power is correct.
>>
>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
>> issue when installed.
>>
>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
>> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>>
>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
>> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
>> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
>> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>> Keefe John
>> CEO
>> Ethoplex
>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>> 
>> Ethoplex Business Internet
>> http://www.ethoplex.com/
>> Signal Residential Internet
>> http://www.signalisp.com/
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
>>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used
>>> Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're
>>> seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original
>>> Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
These are the radiowaves ones.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope
> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or
> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
> The TX power is correct.
>
> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
> issue when installed.
>
> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>
> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>
> Keefe
>
> Keefe John
> CEO
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
> 
> Ethoplex Business Internet
> http://www.ethoplex.com/
> Signal Residential Internet
> http://www.signalisp.com/
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> >
>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's
>> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a
>> 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1
>> or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>> >
>> > Keefe
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
The duplexors are in the proper alignment and they are not the mis-labeled
ones.  We've had that issue before.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:06 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> Exactly - mislabeled duplexers has been a known problem.
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Did you make sure you have the duplexors connected the right direction? I
> did that wrong once... and make sure you have the right duplexors for the
> sub-band you're on.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:50 AM Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:
>
>> It's important to note when you attach the duplexors to the radio that
>> you are tightening both SMA connectors at the same time.
>> They warn about damage than can occur if you tighten them down one at a
>> time.
>>
>> On 7/3/2019 10:14 AM, Keefe John wrote:
>>
>> They are N Connectors and they came with the adapter from Chuck.
>>
>> We're going to double-check the tightness of the adapter and swap the
>> leads tonight.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Could be the adapter.  They are pretty simple and hard to screw up, but
>>> the cables could be bad too.  I have made very few of these things.  So
>>> far, no failures that I know about but there is always the first time.
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:00 AM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>>>
>>>
>>> Make sure you don’t have a mixup between SMA and RPSMA connectors.  I
>>> did that once, I assumed everything was RP and got an antenna with regular
>>> SMA connectors on it.  Had to buy different coax cables.  Signal was trying
>>> to jump the air gap between two female inner connectors.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:28 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>>>
>>>
>>> The TX power is correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
>>> issue when installed.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are
>>> correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities
>>> at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual
>>> pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically
>>> on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>>>
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>>
>>> Keefe John
>>>
>>> CEO
>>>
>>> Ethoplex
>>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>>>
>>> 
>>> Ethoplex Business Internet
>>> http://www.ethoplex.com/
>>> Signal Residential Internet
>>> http://www.signalisp.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
>>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used
>>> Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're
>>> seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original
>>> Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
They are N Connectors and they came with the adapter from Chuck.

We're going to double-check the tightness of the adapter and swap the leads
tonight.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM  wrote:

> Could be the adapter.  They are pretty simple and hard to screw up, but
> the cables could be bad too.  I have made very few of these things.  So
> far, no failures that I know about but there is always the first time.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:00 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>
>
> Make sure you don’t have a mixup between SMA and RPSMA connectors.  I did
> that once, I assumed everything was RP and got an antenna with regular SMA
> connectors on it.  Had to buy different coax cables.  Signal was trying to
> jump the air gap between two female inner connectors.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>
>
>
> The TX power is correct.
>
>
>
> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
> issue when installed.
>
>
>
> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>
>
>
> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>
>
>
> Keefe
>
>
> Keefe John
>
> CEO
>
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
>
> 
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> http://www.ethoplex.com/
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> http://www.signalisp.com/
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
> >
> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's
> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a
> 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1
> or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
The TX power is correct.

We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
issue when installed.

It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.

Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?

Keefe

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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
> >
> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's
> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a
> 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1
> or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
> >
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[AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's
adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a
20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1
or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?

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Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

2019-06-18 Thread Keefe John 
Who owned these two sites prior to demolition?

Keefe

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:48 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> They had to build a special pad just for the demolition crane to sit on.
> It hasn't had any tower lights since last year, so I guess  I should have
> figured it was going away.
>
> On 6/18/2019 4:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I didn't realize mine was being torn down until it was already gone.
>
> Yours was older than mine. It is sad that they're going away. I don't know
> why they don't just sell them. I would have picked up both of them. :-)
>
> Yours had an FAA sign at the base.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
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>
>
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> *To: *"Animal Farm"  
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:08:03 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] RIP Tower History
>
> They're tearing down a 4 legged, what I think was about a 400' FAA tower
> by my house.
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8188909,-88.2242849,219m/data=!3m1!1e3
> Had 6 big horns on the top, and a handful of 10' dishes.  Also some
> spiderweb looking antennas sticking out the top.  I'm pretty sure it was
> an FAA tower, I couldn't find it in the FCC Tower database, and I don't
> think it was a long-lines tower.
>
> I'm guessing the amount of Copper Waveguide that came off the tower is
> just pure profit for the demolition company...
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread Keefe John 
Unfortunately kids these day have no work ethic and are conflict adverse.
They'd much rather no show than say no to your face.

Keefe

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale
> improves .."?
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM  wrote:
>
>> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to
>> push through a project.  Mandatory OT.
>>
>> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I
>> am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to
>> convince me they are on death’s door?
>>
>> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry,
>> hope you feel better soon.
>> Grumble
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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

2019-06-05 Thread Keefe John 
I'm pretty sure Chuck put me on the naughty list. ;)

Keefe

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 3:20 PM  wrote:

> Being drowned out by a Russian woodpecker.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another test
>
> Alot of static. try going outside and sending it
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:02 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
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>> 10-4
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:22 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone hear me now?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Batteries

2019-06-05 Thread Keefe John 
Thanks Mark.

They could be 20 or 30 years old. Do they have a life that long?

Keefe

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 6:52 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Fiamms:  data sheet is here:
> https://www.fiamm.com/fileadmin/user_upload/products/reserve/LM/LM-OPzS-FOLDER-NA_EN.pdf
>
> One option is to top them off with distilled water and try charging them
> and see what you get.   The other (and probably better) is to drain them,
> dispose of the battery acid, and refill them with new electrolyte.
>  Depending on what happened to them previously they may be fine or just a
> bunch of heavy junk.   If nothing else the lead in them is worth money.
>
> Mark
>
> On Jun 4, 2019, at 9:06 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
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>
> What kind of batteries are these, how long do they last, and how can I
> fill them back up?
>
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[AFMUG] Another test

2019-06-04 Thread Keefe John 
Can anyone hear me now?

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