Re: [AFMUG] Another naughty climbing video

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I wear a harness every time I climb but I've never had an issue where using
one saved me or my guys.
So when I see someone working without a harness, while I feel scared for
them, I know the reality is that 99.5%
of these people will be just fine.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I wonder how often those guys die...
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:50 AM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
>> Don't try this at home kids... in fact don't try it at all.
>>
>> At least he had his hard hat on.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/VEyofVMEzmA
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring

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We've seen the same issues. We do a phone interview first so they could
easily say, "Let me check my schedule and get back to you."
I'm guessing we see the same 20% issue that you are seeing.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:17 PM Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We've had this same problem in the past. This year we advertised two days
> for walk-in interviews. Have had about 16 people walk in so far and several
> very good candidates. Might be worth a shot. At least you get people that
> are motivated enough to show up.
> Chris
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:04 PM  wrote:
>
>> Outside Salt Lake City.
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:00 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring
>>
>> Remind me where you are from Chuck?   We had all sorts of difficulties
>> finding good people down in the USA.  Pay was better in all the other
>> industries, especially oil.  So nobody would go to a job that paid so much
>> less.  You looking for installers, techs?
>>
>> I find this is a problem in a lot of areas finding people who "get it" in
>> this industry.  There really is no school for it and most WISPs are self
>> taught self motivated people with some original skills.  So people coming
>> in need to have a desire to work and learn something new our our brand of
>> wireless.  Problem is most wireless engineers get into it for big dollars
>> at a major telecom.
>>
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>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:20:27 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Hiring
>>
>> We are doing another round of hiring.  Had 12 interviews scheduled
>> today.  So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up.  Last time we did this
>> the ratio was 1 out of 5.  So the next one is absolutely positively
>> guaranteed to show
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring

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What do you offer them? Around here, drill operators want $30+/hour plus a
take home vehicle.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM  wrote:

> Directional drilling.  Semi skilled.  We will train.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring
>
> What kind of jobs are these for? Professional or more manual labor type
> stuff?
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:21 AM  wrote:
>
>> We are doing another round of hiring.  Had 12 interviews scheduled
>> today.  So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up.  Last time we did this
>> the ratio was 1 out of 5.  So the next one is absolutely positively
>> guaranteed to show
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Re: [AFMUG] B52 on the test stand

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Must have been a really good pilot to land it there.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:46 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:21 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> hp is solid too.
> you could technically get 4gbpsish with 2 radio links and 3 80mhz channels
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:05 PM Scott Lightfoot (HSC) <
> scott.lightf...@highspeedcrow.ca> wrote:
>
>> https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Bonding
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven’t used LACP or channel bonding on Mikrotik but its works great on
>> Cisco equipment.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* March 12, 2020 12:56 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone tried anything like this? I was thinking of licensing a path
>> for 2 separate 11ghz 80mhz pairs and then installing Aviat links on the
>> pairs. Aviat is telling me those radios should do 1.6gbps full duplex. And
>> then boding them together using a pair of Mikrotik boxes running ECMP OSPF
>> routing. Does this sound like it would work?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

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It was slow initially but better now.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like it’s
> correct.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>
>
>
> up but looks slow
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:
>
> Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
>
> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>
>
>
> Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
>
> https://www.mccowntech.com
>
> https://www.mccowntech.com/technology-products/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

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Back in the day I worked for a company that had a firewall that reported if
you went to any "inappropriate" site.
I wanted to buy something from Dicks Sporting Goods and my first thought
was just to type in, "www.dicks.com."
Big mistake.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:40 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Speaking of dirty minds and Ken’s posts about naughty words the other
> day.  Does anyone else have the misfortune to be on Dick’s Sporting Goods
> email list?  My son signed me up and so I’m constantly getting their
> updates like this one just now.  Seems like some filter should flag these
> with all the political correctness out there:
>
>
>
> DICK'S | Flash Sale: You better be quick! Up to 50% off. Ends tonight.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>
>
>
> You have a dirty mind...
>
>
>
> but the website works fine.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Electric cactus  porn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 3:17 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
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> It was slow initially but better now.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like it’s
> correct.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>
>
>
> up but looks slow
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:
>
> Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
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> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>
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> Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
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Re: [AFMUG] seriously, we have to say 5G does not cause coronavirus?

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Put out an article that says 5G CURES the virus. Only people with fixed
wireless broadband have a fighting chance
against the virus.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:11 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/16/20 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > https://www.howtogeek.com/662454/no-5g-does-not-cause-coronavirus/
> >
> >
>
>
> These people need to hook up with the people that believe drinking
> bleach will protect you.
>
>
> https://www.nbc12.com/2020/03/14/blue-ridge-poison-center-issues-reminder-dont-drink-bleach/
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

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I was honestly kind of shocked to see an Animal Farm reference not coming
from Chuck. I assumed it was done with permission.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:08 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Now is not the time.  Staff is still dealing with the aftermath of Dallas.
>   Give it some time.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> You should attend more of the show, Chuck!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
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>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show.
>> I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit
>> supporting them.
>>
>> Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them.
>>
>> There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>> One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was
>> getting to throw questions at actual product managers and developers from
>> Motorola (now Cambium).
>>
>>
>>
>> Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where
>> they ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that
>> something else?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis via
>> AF
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Matt Mangriotis 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
>> any kind of trust...
>>
>>
>>
>> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
>> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>>
>>
>>
>> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
>> always give you credit during my introduction.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware
>> link.  We should start a club :)
>>
>>
>>
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>>
>> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and
>> that
>> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
>> It
>> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>>
>> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
>> AnimalFarm
>> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
>> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
>> there were too many problems.
>>
>> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
>> to
>> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
>> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
>> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>>
>> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
>> descendants...
>> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>>
>> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
>> Fairpark...
>> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>>
>> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
>> post it to our forum.
>>
>> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
>> to
>> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>> 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's
>> at 8
>> > central which is 7

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

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Do you really need anything else to live on?

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go."



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> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and
> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I
> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>
>
> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
> bins section was mostly untouched.
>
> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>
> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

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They gave lots of props to Chuck in the beginning of the webinar.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:23 AM Josh Luthman 
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> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:41 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
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>> I remember the first one at the Airport Hilton(2007) , then it was moved
>> to the Downtown Hilton (2008), 2009 on it was at the Fairgrounds ..
>>
>>
>>
>> I miss SLC! Street Tacos, Guns and Skiing!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
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>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
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>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 2:26 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, did not realize it was part of WispAmerica.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
>> any kind of trust...
>>
>>
>>
>> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
>> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>>
>>
>>
>> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
>> always give you credit during my introduction.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware
>> link.  We should start a club :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>>
>> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and
>> that
>> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
>> It
>> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>>
>> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
>> AnimalFarm
>> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
>> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
>> there were too many problems.
>>
>> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
>> to
>> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
>> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
>> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>>
>> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
>> descendants...
>> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>>
>> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
>> Fairpark...
>> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>>
>> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
>> post it to our forum.
>>
>> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
>> to
>> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>> 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

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I use a lot more sheets of the "non-cushy" stuff so I think it breaks down
to about 1.5 roles of non-cushy to cushy.
My butt is worth it.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:58 AM  wrote:

> Oh, and 18 years later, the son in law (who lives in England) still
> complains about his time in America dealing with our TP.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:57 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
> Having 8 kids, one foster kid and one future son in law all in the house
> at the same time, TP was an issue.
> We started using the scott tissue that has much more footage per roll
> years ago.  It is not made for comfort.  But you sure do get good mileage.
> Now that the kids have moved on, we still use it.  The cushy stuff just
> does not last long enough.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:45 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
> Hard to compare price on TP.  There’s 3 sizes of rolls, 1,2 or 3 ply,
> extra soft and extra strong.
>
>
>
> And BTW, the landlord at our office bldg. told me he had people stealing
> all the TP from some of their bldgs.  And commercial TP is not the premium
> stuff.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:03 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
>
> Near here, people were flipping out that a local place charged $12 for TP
> when Walmart only charged $6. Um, that's kind of how things work when you
> compare scale vs. no scale.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
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> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:00:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
> The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery
> store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  Super
> weird.  It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.
>
> I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living
> in Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that
> Americans are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have
> something to shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any
> serious troubles here."
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can
> buy nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing
> in the world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even
> better than bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of
> your bacon on them!
>
>
>
> I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss
> leader.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
>
> I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef,
> who am I to say no.
>
> They're 2 weeks out on packages
>
> They're always 2 weeks out on packages
>
> I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for
> survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> Do you really need anything else to live on?
>
>
>
> "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
> go."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 

Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

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We are pretty much a commercial-only WISP and our bandwidth has been cut in
half.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Kind of the same here, peaks not that much higher, but heavy usage all
> day.  Companies are still sending more people to work from home, and I'm
> starting to get calls from people trying to save big files to the shared
> drive at the office (over a VPN which adds overhead) and saying something
> must be wrong because it's taking 5 minutes to save a file.
>
> I don't think upstream bandwidth is an issue for the kids watching Disney+
> or even the ones actually doing schoolwork.  But a lot of people working
> from home seem to have a workflow that involves download a huge file, edit
> it, upload the changed file, and given that the Internet is pretty much
> built to deliver Netflix, they are running out of upload bandwidth.
>
> I'm not sure that is something we can dramatically change.  I mean, we've
> got upstream bandwidth sitting unused on our licensed backhauls and our
> upstream provider connections, but not on the last mile connections.  And
> it's not just WISPs.  The Internet is built for downloading.
>
> I would probably work on another task while the previous one was
> uploading, but that apparently doesn't work for most people.  I could also
> wish for IT departments to use more of an edit-it-in-the-cloud approach
> like Google Sheets, but a lot of these people literally got told to pack up
> their work computers in their cars and take them home.  And everything was
> set up for an office LAN environment.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:58 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth
>
>  From where I'm sitting it looks like peak time usage has only gone up
> maybe 10% if at all, but the ramp up towards peak starts at noon instead of
> at 6pm.  I'm comparing late February to mid March.
>
> A lot of people were concerned about bandwidth, but I'm honestly not
> seeing a difference in a way that actually matters.  I'm sure consumption
> in terms of GB will be higher, but I don't think we actually have to care.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

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What can you do to keep it from spreading?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:06 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this
> morning. It will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. It's a
> filthy, disgusting beautiful thing.
> ClarenceAndrew20 is what it's been identified as.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

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This literally is a death sentence. Everyone I've ever known has died
within 60-80 years of contracting one of these.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:38 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Gross.  And congratulations.  I've caught a couple of them over the years
> too.  Mortality rate is low, but the symptoms can be distressing.
>
>
> On 3/18/2020 2:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this
> morning. It will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. It's a
> filthy, disgusting beautiful thing.
> ClarenceAndrew20 is what it's been identified as.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

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This should be pretty easy to do. If you can get the data from the scale,
you can advertise this info over bluetooth. They can open
an app on the phone, connect to the scale and download the info info the
app.

More advanced would be to have the info uploaded to the cloud with a
vehicle ID. The app could then pull down that info
at any time via cellular. Nothing required on the drivers part until they
are pulled over.

I've written apps with BLE and coded hardware with BLE as well. Not that
hard.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 6:26 PM  wrote:

> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
> it is good to have one.
>
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone.
>
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing
> software.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

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There are several frameworks where you can create an iOS, Android and
Windows app with one code base.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:32 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You'd need to build an Android app and iPhone app.  And all the other
> problems that come with it (installing it, versions, maintaining it,
> updating it through major OS).  Something universal for such a basic need
> is far superior for your use case.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:11 AM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Problem with an app is that you have to get everyone with scales to
>> connect etc. I can imagine a lot of places with scales don’t have an
>> internet connection.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wondering if something like an RFID system couldn’t be set up. Data
>> written to the tag, law enforcement needs to know the info they can just
>> scan it. What do those in cab systems do that you see in the DOT
>> checkpoints? Can you just use that system?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:56 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>>
>>
>>
>> Great ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app.  Like self
>> checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of material and it registers the
>> load with the office.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale
>> house can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or
>> other mms content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number
>> using the intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a
>> problem. Drivers won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it
>> etc. I like the taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor
>> is displaying a QR code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code
>> link to the official ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big
>> enough monitor so the driver can take the picture right from the cab.
>> Wondering if the electronic log systems could not have a camera installed
>> to take the picture or scan the QR code and have it automatically entered
>> in to their logs. The same camera could be used and left running as a dash
>> cam as well in case there are ever any accidents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>>
>>
>>
>> I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.
>> Have it translate to a URL with the PDF?
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the
>> problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the
>> current system?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old
>> slips.  Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips
>> in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if
>> you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>>
>>
>>
>> They think that is too much effort
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
>> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
>> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
>> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
>> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
>> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
>> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
>> it is good to hav

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus graphics

[can...@believewireless.net]

Either way this goes, I'll be curious to see what the data in the US is
after the fact. I feel both sides win either way.

If virus is contained:
1.Social distancing worked.
2. Social distancing wasn't necessary.

If virus isn't contained:
1. We needed to social distance earlier.
2. Social distancing didn't matter.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Do you get that with your Apple News+ subscription?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:22 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Virus graphics
>
>
>
> This is an interesting article:
>
>
> https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
>
>
>
> Note the double boom if you relax your social distancing after the initial
> peak is over.
>
> Looks like 10-12 weeks of people dying.  We are 2.5 weeks into that
> cycle.
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[AFMUG] Good Home UPS

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What is a good UPS to use at home?
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

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Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC
Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if
there were any new options available that might be better.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Yes, Depends on what your load is.  At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with
> 120AH batteries.  It runs everything in my home office, plus the
> waterheater/furnace (heat only).  It's on a transfer switch to plug the
> portable generator into it for an extended outage.  Luckily I'm on all
> underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15
> years we've lived here.
>
> On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need?  It
> matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want
> enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple
> hours.  Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now
> which changes the UPS strategy.
>
>
>
> Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be
> bothersome.  I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual
> conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external
> extended runtime battery.  But the fan runs all the time and it would
> probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office.  And if your
> electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual
> conversion is probably an expensive overkill.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>
>
>
> We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without
> issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine
> with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to
> put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so
> that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery.
>
>
>
> Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> What is a good UPS to use at home?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

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I don't think there has been a good predictor found of wealth or success.
(GPA, college degree, MBA, etc.)
But you can see people in your field that you would say, I'd hire them in a
second. They may have been high
school/college dropouts, low GPA, no sports ability, etc. If you had looked
over their resume early in their
career, you may have passed them over.

And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
that went no where.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

> I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that
> have done very very well.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
>
> One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a
> very good student.  Later he attributed his success in life to his poor
> GPA.  He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there
> was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or
> sales engineer.  Within a few years he had his own company.  Probably the
> most successful of any in our group.
>
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
>
>
> In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.
>
> I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out.  I
> did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do
> something extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but
> when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the
> rules to football.  Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the
> other goal, don't use hands.  Football has a lot of rules.  The coaches
> never explained how to actually play and I never asked.  I just sort of
> tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games.  I never
> figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school.
>
> I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't
> say how they're doing in life.
>
>
>
> On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
>
>
>
> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were
> assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front
> were you picked?
>
>
>
> I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.
>
> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple
> spouses, menial jobs etc.
>
>
>
> Who won?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>
> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
> > guess it could make sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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Definitely stick with MST. Much less likely for climbers to damage.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:35 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> So would you use MST or OFDC if you had to do it again?
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:48 AM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
>> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>>
>>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
>>> > guess it could make sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices

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You can use a Mikrotik LTE router with a Mint Mobile ($15 - 3GB/month on
yearly plan) or Hologram.io SIM. You could
script it to only bring up the LTE tunnel when the main WAN goes down.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 1:14 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> We pay Bell for public IP addresses. No NAT.
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:24 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> how do u get through cellular nat?
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:14 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> We use cradle point ARC CBA850. Very stable solution and has always
>>> worked for OOB.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:16 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 awesome, good info.

 hologram might not be the cheapest, but they have one of the easiest
 ways to punch through the cellular nat...

 1NCE looks amazing but how do you get sims? they don't ship to usa...

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:25 PM  wrote:

> FYI, there are lots of other IoT SIM providers. For example 1NCE is 10
> euros for 10 years with 500 MB of data. Top ups are 10 euros per 500 MB.
> Global coverage. Disclaimer: haven't used it.
>
> There are others at a buck or two per month for larger data amounts.
> Apparently T-Mobile has an unlimited IoT SIM for $25/year capped at 64 
> kbps.
>
> Jared
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
> *From:* "TJ Trout" 
> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices
> All,
>
> I bought some opengear acm's that I am working on deploying.
>
> I have options for oob IP and or console access.
>
> Wondering what you guys do / best practices.
>
> I think I will use hologram.io cellular because I can access the acm
> by tunneling through their nat.
>
> Alternative might be a $10 DSL connection.
>
> The idea here is being able to troubleshoot core routing equipment
> during an outage when I'm off net or even on net but no ip access.
>
> TJ
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

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My wireless ones work pretty well but need to be power cycled pretty often.
I have some that work over Cat6
that work great.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Not sure i can do that but of course I have haven't read the instructions
> yet.. that's kind of low brow..oh well
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 6:01 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> You should try a more narrow channel, and switch to 2.4 GHz. 5 GHz has no
>> penetrating power; especially with a wide channel.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2020 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Uses 40 MHz channel at 5805 MHz...I can track with my WiFi Analyser on my
>> Motorola phone.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:08 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Very interested in the outcome.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > Let's see how well it works
>>> > 
>>> > 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

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I think chemistry is incredibly cool mainly for Breaking Bad-type
applications like this one.
However, it wasn't my forte even though I won my high school science fair
for
"How to Make Explosives Out of Household Chemicals."

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:38 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The vacuum filter was interesting.  I don’t like nor do I know much about
> chemistry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> 
> The materials are available. Look to homade soap makers.
>
> I like how he pointed out that you really want unused lubes, I'm wondering
> if the brown glob was revision 1 footage.
>
> You could make this a good sub q injectable with an insulin needle.
>
> There's a burn gel product that has good amount of lidocaine in it. It's
> got a blue and red logo. Its lidocaine in a water suspension, I'm betting
> it would break out really good.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 5:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> What concentration do you need?  Up to 5% is available OTC.  For removing
>> bullets though you probably want an injectable not a numbing gel.  And I
>> don’t think I’d want to be injecting someone with your Breaking Bad
>> freebase lidocaine.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:19 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell
>>
>>
>>
>> Removing bullets.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> What do you need lidocaine for?
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon.
>>
>>
>>
>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>>
>>
>>
>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>>
>> Sorry Steve.
>>
>>
>>
>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get
>> them.  Probably online.
>>
>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

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All sorts of things. From matchsticks to gunpowder to ammonium nitrate to
C4.
I got the C4 recipe from the Anarchists Cookbook but it didn't work.

Making the pipe bomb with matchsticks caused it to go off in my hand while
holding it in a vice.
Removed pretty much all my skin in my hand but for some reason, I have
almost zero scars.
I accepted the award with my arm in a sling.

I'm responsible for 2 rules on my school's rules and regs. I had detention
53 days my freshman
year and our punishment was we had to write them every time. Well, when I
was caught with a
BB gun at school, I made it clear it wasn't against the rules and regs.
They looked and looked
and couldn't find it. Explosives and guns were added shortly thereafter.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:39 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What were the explosives?   Nowadays that would get you on some kind of
> watch list X
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:00 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> 
> I think chemistry is incredibly cool mainly for Breaking Bad-type
> applications like this one.
> However, it wasn't my forte even though I won my high school science fair
> for
> "How to Make Explosives Out of Household Chemicals."
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:38 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> The vacuum filter was interesting.  I don’t like nor do I know much about
>> chemistry.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> The materials are available. Look to homade soap makers.
>>
>> I like how he pointed out that you really want unused lubes, I'm
>> wondering if the brown glob was revision 1 footage.
>>
>> You could make this a good sub q injectable with an insulin needle.
>>
>> There's a burn gel product that has good amount of lidocaine in it. It's
>> got a blue and red logo. Its lidocaine in a water suspension, I'm betting
>> it would break out really good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 5:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> What concentration do you need?  Up to 5% is available OTC.  For
>>> removing bullets though you probably want an injectable not a numbing gel.
>>> And I don’t think I’d want to be injecting someone with your Breaking Bad
>>> freebase lidocaine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:19 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Removing bullets.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> What do you need lidocaine for?
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>>>
>>> Sorry Steve.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get
>>> them.  Probably online.
>>>
>>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

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Why not just swap with with something modern?

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:03 AM Shayne Lebrun 
wrote:

> I don’t suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45 lying
> around?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

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What about this device?

https://www.ui.com/accessories/fiber-poe-accessory/

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:57 PM  wrote:

> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
> show discontinued.
> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

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$30 -
https://www.balticnetworks.com/ubiquiti-fiberpoe-gen2-optical-data-transport-outdoor-poe

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:41 PM  wrote:

> That could work.  Cost?
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 12:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>
> What about this device?
>
> https://www.ui.com/accessories/fiber-poe-accessory/
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:57 PM  wrote:
>
>> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
>> show discontinued.
>> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
>> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Roku

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Go into settings and see if there is an update available maybe?

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 10:48 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Strange - I'm using Hulu on my Roku right now.
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 10:47 AM  wrote:
>
>> For some reason, for the past few days, Roku does not want to display
>> Hulu or Amazon but Netflix works.
>> I can get both Prime and Hulu on the computer.  Pretty sure it is not the
>> connection.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

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Video of Steve waiting for a bus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:33 PM  wrote:

> Titty and sock money yum...
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and
> sneeze... just think of all those droplets going everywhere...
>
>
>
> Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You got something against people with allergies?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>
> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
> the first im starting cookouts again
>
> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
> this.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
> lifted.
>
>
>
> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
> plannning issue at this point.
>
>
>
> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>
> sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
> That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
> couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
> she was 93.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

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Who are they "avenging?"

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> There are references to the name "Avenger" in the ePMP MIB.  Is that an
> old working title for the product?  If so, why didn't they keep it?  I
> like that name better.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] speed tests and TCP/IP overhead

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TCP/IP overhead is 7% so we just add 10%. 10Mbps would be 11Mbps.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:41 AM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> On a 25 Mbps plan for example, we provision the speed bucket to 28 Mbps
> flat. We use Preseem for the rate limiting. Generally on a speedtest, we
> see 26-27 Mbps on tests when provisioned for 28 Mbps on a 25 Mbps plan. If
> you provisioned to 26 Mbps, you would probably see exactly 25 Mbps.
>
> I think it's great to overprovision to keep customers happy. The
> difference is negligible when you bump it 1-3 Mbps over the rate plan just
> to help the speedtest get at least what they pay for. It's easier than
> arguing with the customer.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:29 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Two part question:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) If you set a speed limit, like 10 Mbps, using Preseem or Mikrotik
>> queue or something similar, what do you expect to see at a speedtest site
>> like speedtest.net?  I’m thinking something like 9.5 Mbps.  I’m assuming
>> the bandwidth manager is looking at line rate but the speed test looks at
>> payload.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2)  Do you “gross up” your speed limits so that the customer will see
>> 100% of the advertised speed when they run a speedtest?  If so, by how
>> much?  Or do you assume any reasonable person when they see 9.5 Mbps but
>> are paying for 10 will say “close enough”?  I seem to remember that back
>> when we were doing lineshared DSL, Verizon grossed up the modem line rates,
>> but AT&T didn’t.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Resellers

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If this is a DIA circuit, you should have rolled a truck and power cycled
the radio from the roof.
Then... no e-mails or calls.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:52 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Yup... hate them, we've gotten several calls from CCR, DSR,
> Asentinal DSR is by far the worst.
>
> On 9/29/20 1:03 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > Just had to deal with another reseller.  Link to a large factory. Link
> > goes down at 4:30pm Friday.  Nobody at plant can escort us in until
> > Monday.  Reseller sends email every 6 hours all weekend asking for
> > status update, We reply 'we can't get in to work on it until Monday'.
> > Reseller sends angry email Sunday night saying 'CIRCUIT HAS BEEN DOWN
> > FOR OVER 48 HOURS, YOU MUST ESCALATE THIS IMMEDIATELY'  Get to plant on
> > Monday, and Radio needed reboot.  I think next time I'm not even going
> > to schedule a visit until they can complete basic troubleshooting.
> >
> > On 9/18/2020 12:52 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> >> 'That's some nice clean spectrum you're using, Be a shame if some
> >> noise were to suddenly show up.  Hey Lou, Be Careful wit that AP. Man,
> >> you really gotta watch these antennas, they just kinda point wherever
> >> they want, you don't want this AP pointing at you do you?'
> >>
> >> On 9/18/2020 12:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>> That's verging on mafia tactics.  You want to do business on my
> >>> street, me and the boys get a cut.  Tony here is our bagman, he'll
> >>> come by every month to collect.  Nice little Internet business you
> >>> got there, shame if something happened to it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> >>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:30 PM
> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:  Resellers
> >>>
> >>> On 9/18/20 10:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>  There can be drama even if you just do commissions.  There can be
>  arguments about whether a sale was through the reseller or direct, and
>  further friction over when they get paid out.  It's easy to see why
>  companies make a rigid reseller system.  Then again, if you were ever
>  a DSL or satellite retailer you can probably attest that it's no fun
>  being the reseller in a rigid system either.  I'm kind of sour on the
>  whole concept.
> >>>
> >>> My rule is that the reseller/agent gets the customer to sign the
> >>> contract, not me. I do not want to hear crap like did you follow up
> >>> on my lead yet, did you get my lead to sign yet, I sent you a bunch
> >>> of leads when do I get paid, etc.
> >>>
> >>> The best one was when someone contacted me asking for stuff and I
> >>> worked when them for about a week, a pretty normal new potential
> >>> customer exchange. Then they went silent. About a month later their
> >>> so-called telecom agent contacts me and says I have to pay him his
> >>> cut if I want them to complete the process and sign up.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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[AFMUG] Cheapest Unlimited SIM cards

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What are the cheapest SIM cards for sites that need cell backup?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Unlimited SIM cards

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Not sure customers would want a 32k backup.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 11:45 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Thingsmobile. $15/gig billed per MB or they have 32k unlimited. Public IP
> available.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 5:31 AM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> What are the cheapest SIM cards for sites that need cell backup?
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Re: [AFMUG] epmp 3000 poe

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We just powered a sector up with Blue/Blue White (pair 3) positive and
Brown/Brown White (pair 4) negative.
(No tower climbers were injured in this configuration.)

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:41 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I can't remember if the ePMP 3000 comes with the same power supply as the
> 2000 or not (I suspect it does, since they both require 48v), but 2000
> power supply is actually 4,5 positive & 7,8 negative (opposite of all the
> 24v/30v Cambium stuff). I'm sure it'll work either way though.
>
> I'm not sure if the 3000 can use all 8 wires or not, but I do know that
> using all 8 wires will kill a 3000L (the 3000 and 3000L are completely
> different animals though).
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 12:21 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> You want like original Canopy.  Motorola/Cambium is all reverse.
>>
>> Blue is positive/Brown negative = normal polarity
>>
>> The 3000 I don't think is all 8 wires.  They're not that power hungry,
>> only 25 watts.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 12:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> So what is that?  I have a POE inserter customer wanting to know how to
>>> set the jumpers.  Been so long since I knew what the POE pinout was on
>>> anything that I just don’t recall.  4,5 & 7,8 for original canopy.  4,5
>>> negative I think.  But I would expect the 3000 to perhaps use all 8 wires
>>> for power?
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 10:46 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp 3000 poe
>>>
>>> Traditionally reverse.
>>>
>>> Radio accepts both.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>> Suite 1337
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 12:44 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone know the pair polarity for this radio?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Important information

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Pretty sure that guy is full of shit.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert  wrote:

> That really sucks..
>
> On 10/7/20 9:00 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/3VoeRAR0YgE
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

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If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If you are
drop shipping everything, then why not just
sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding to your
business other than an easy way for customers
to order your product?

I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

> Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in
> production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock
> would not cure.
>
> I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it
> here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them
> to do that.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> *sigh* daily struggle
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
>
>> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in
>> inventory.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary
>> distributor have some?
>>
>> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
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Re: [AFMUG] fun size Paydays

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I was reading that the best way to build up a tolerance to a peanut allergy
is to eat a very tiny amount daily
and build up over time. They have to be eaten every day to maintain
tolerance or you can go back to the
beginning. In this way, if someone accidentally ingests something with
nuts, the reaction is rather mild.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:41 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I don't know if it's worth fussing over the peanut allergies like we
> sometimes do.  If the kid gets anaphylactic they better learn to read the
> package.  If they're so allergic they can't be in the same room with a
> peanut then in the long run they're just screwed.
>
> My son has a shellfish allergy.  My wife drilled it into his head: he has
> to read the labels, know what counts as a shellfish, check for the cross
> contamination warnings etc.  He carries the Epi-pen at all times in a
> backpack.it's his own little Jr EDC bag now where he has his pocket
> knife and first aid kit.  He's fine.  If anything he's over-prepared.
> People get all, "oh shellfish allergy, don't worry I'll change everything
> to accommodate your little snowflake."  and I'm annoyed like why did we
> bother training the snowflake not to be a snowflake if you're just gonna
> treat him like a snowflake?
>
> Skittles seems safe right, but some mofo's are allergic to red dye.  I'm
> betting that red skittle ain't naturally red.  You can't take care of
> everybody.
>
>
> On 10/9/2020 9:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> At the grocery store I saw bulk packages of fun size Paydays (also
> Snickers).  Very tempting.  However, I thought:
>
>
>
> a)  There probably won’t be trick-or-treaters this year
>
> b)  With my luck I’d give one to a kid with peanut allergies
>
> c)  I’d end up eating them
>
>
>
> I usually give out the little bags of Skittles, although one year I gave
> out superhero Pez dispensers, the kids thought I was some crazy old coot.
> Last year I ordered some little Halloween coloring books and crayons, my
> son thought that was so lame he refused to hand them out and got out the
> Skittles.
>
>
>
> I’m still tempted to go back and get the little Paydays, they were so
> cute.  I didn’t have my phone or I would have taken a photo.  Strange the
> store just had Paydays and Snickers.  They must hate kids with peanut
> allergies.  Or they believe in real candy that kids actually like, not
> ridiculous stuff like those Necco wafers.
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Re: [AFMUG] Dedicated server

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If you own the hosting space and bandwidth, and buy a used Dell R740 for
example, is it cheaper than
AWS in the long run? No idea, just curious.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Good point.  Honestly if they're using upload data then it can be free for
> all I care, but I'll be sure to address it either way.  Thanks.
>
>
> On 10/16/2020 11:27 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> Data?
>
> On 10/16/20 8:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> It seems like a hundred years since anyone wanted a dedicated server (I
> thought AWS crushed that market?), but I got that request today.
>
> My assumptions on my costs are:
>
>- amortized cost of the server
>- amortized cost of the physical space
>- electric
>- A/C
>
> Any costs am I forgetting?  Asking the group because that part of the
> brain has gotten dusty.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

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We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two
weeks!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are
> wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.
>
> ..ether that or you have developed a reputation.
>
>
> On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will
> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also
> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
> showing up.
>
> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>
> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be
> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

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We had a guy that would teach martial arts after work. He'd make $35/class
and sometimes only have a single
class a night. He'd give up a couple hours of overtime (regular pay
$22/hour) because he was making more
at his other job. He had it stuck in his head $35 > $22 when the reality
was it was $35 vs. $66. I think it took
months for that to sink in.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 8:34 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Requalified...might be part of the issue. But getting hired and no show no
> call in Texas is a reason to deny benefits. Maybe apart of the reason is
> they can't do basic math skills. I have a very few low end positions. I get
> some that say they can make more doing gig work. I tell them "You mean you
> can gross more. I think you are confused about what you can keep from that
> paycheck and the total amount".
>
> I have yet to have one understand the statement.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:25 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> Or go back on unemployment because you requalified?
>>
>> On 10/21/20 4:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk.
>> Just don’t show.
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>   wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set
>> up, no shows.
>>
>> I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the
>> percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be
>> the number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual
>> job.  I have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at
>> least in the local area.
>>
>> I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to
>> insulating the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and
>> it's amazing how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't
>> find good employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?
>>> Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We
>>> also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
>>> showing up.
>>>
>>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>>>
>>> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...
>>> Be making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] SIP trunk providers at IXes?

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Wouldn't it matter more if YOUR provider was at a particular IX?

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:23 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Far too many networks have no concept of proper networking.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
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> *Sent: *Thursday, October 22, 2020 11:40:29 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] SIP trunk providers at IXes?
>
> I thought this would be easier to find information, but apparently it's
> not... are there any SIP trunk providers that participate in peering at
> exchanges? All I've been able to find so far is Twilio Interconnect
> (after filling out a form). Most of what I can find just seems to be
> handwaving it as the magic of the cloud, with occasional boasts about
> peering with the big guys.
>
> ~Seth
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Standing Desks

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Realspace® Magellan Performance Electric Height-Adjustable Wood Desk,
Espresso (358370)


1 $399.990 $399.99

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 2:13 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Do you know which Officedepot model you have?
>
> On 11/29/2021 12:40 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> I have one from Office Depot that is stable fully raised. 34" and 24"
> monitors, phone, misc. junk and it's solid.
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 1:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> HD has a bunch of them:
>> https://www.homedepot.com/s/adjustable%2520bench?NCNI-5
>>
>> Knock yourself out.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/29/2021 10:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> > The Wife want's a standing desk (with the push button up/down
>> > control).  Her current desk was built by me and is solid 2x4
>> > construction with a 3/4" laminate top.  You could dance on it and it
>> > doesn't move.  I originally built it to hold my multiple 21" CRT
>> > Monitors, and HP 5SI printer.    I'm concerned that she won't be
>> happy
>> > with how much the standing desks wobble when they're raised up,
>> > especially since she envisions doing virtual presentations with it all
>> > the way up (we are both tall).  We checked out the Ikea standing
>> > desks, and they all seem to wobble when fully extended, she thinks
>> > that it is fine, but I'm trying to prevent a future 'I told you so'
>> > headache later.  It seems like someone would make an extension kit
>> > that you just bolt onto existing desk legs, or just replace the legs.Â
>> > A couple motors and threaded rod with a control board.  Or is there
>> > more to it than that?  The boss has an automatic Jack System on his
>> > RV.  Something similar for a desk?
>> >
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[AFMUG] Anybody here have a tandem semi-truck near Atlanta that's sitting idle right now?

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[AFMUG] OT: Anybody here have a tandem semi-truck near Atlanta that's sitting idle right now?

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Re: [AFMUG] Anybody here have a tandem semi-truck near Atlanta that's sitting idle right now?

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Nope. A buddy of mine had his truck break down trying to haul a load and
needs to get it delivered. Figured someone
here might have one for hauling their drills around.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:49 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this isnt a backpage ad is it?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router

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I'd HIGHLY recommend starting with Mikrotik. Go with a CCR2004 or the newer
CCR2116. We have two locations where
we upgraded them to V7.1.1 and they are stable even with BGP/OSPF, etc.
Next best option would be a Mikrotik on an X86
like Baltic. But at that point, might as well go Juniper.

You can't beat Mikrotik for starting out. It does everything you need and
the price point can't be beat.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 10:10 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'm using Mikrotik.  Get a "cheap" 1036 right now.  When you outgrow it,
> replace it with the bigger CCR (1072 is bigger but you need to avoid NAT
> and such for crashes at high throughput).  The newer CCR are bigger still
> and even cheaper, but v7 only and hence are super buggy.
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 5:19 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I think you mean transport, transit is internet access/dia/full routes,
>> so you have 3 transit providers feeding a switch and transport back to your
>> hut =) Mikrotik is a decent router but stay away from the 1072, the 1036 is
>> solid but since it's using CPU instead of asic it cannot withstand many
>> ddos attacks
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dmmoffett,
>>>
>>> All three of my BGP routers are RouterOS.  Two are old x86 from baltic
>>> with the 4 port 10 gig card. One is a CCR1072.  At peak I'm pushing about
>>> 12G total across all three.  Really haven't push the CCR to the limits yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>>
>>> Myakka Communications
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 2:33:02 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ….and I still love Mikrotik’s, but the CCR1072 crash/reboot issue was a
>>> big turnoff.
>>>
>>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:32 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router
>>>
>>> The only thing I’d be careful of is Juniper changed pricing recently, so
>>> don’t trust any price you hear that isn’t from 2022.
>>>
>>> I’m really loving Arista these days.  An Arista L3 switch would probably
>>> do everything you’d want.  They do have routers too of course, but switches
>>> are cheap enough to keep a spare.  Arista’s command syntax is identical to
>>> Cisco, so there’s that too.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:27 PM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router
>>>
>>> Yeah just get a juniper, even if you go used, i think it's a front
>>> loaded investment with a great roi in headaches saved
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:25 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> We are actually routerless at the moment, buying access from another
>>> company that has some Cisco big iron there.
>>> It was a great way to start out from scratch but the economics are such
>>> that it will pay us to do our own router and own DIA now.
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:23 PM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: Dual DIA router
>>>
>>> What's your current router? I'm sure it can do many connections using a
>>> switch and vlans. What is the specs you want and budget? Baltic vengence 3
>>> is a good option, or mx204 is the best option probably but 25k+
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> To do dual DIA we are going to have to do a new router.  Or used
>>> router.  Last time down this road we were kicking tires on Juniper.  I
>>> don’t have a ton of customers on my new system yet but I can foresee 2000
>>> in the next 2-3 years.
>>> What would be a good value there?  I really don’t want a $25K router
>>> right now.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:55 AM
>>> *To:* TJ Trout
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing
>>>
>>> Not sure I want to have two providers at the moment...  The problem is
>>> having the two backhaul circuits.  Maybe I could vlan them.
>>> No harm in quoting HE.  Anyone got a sales contact for me in Utah?
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:47 AM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing
>>>
>>> I think HE will go 700-800 and they will usually match each other
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:35 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> $950 10G flat.  $30 for bgp.
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:29 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing
>>>
>>> Cogent charges for bgp so ask for that in the quote if you need it.
>>>
>>> Hurricane electric is 700-800$ on a 36mo term I believe, some UT
>>> locations with few customers might be an extra $500.
>>>
>>> Telia 

Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router

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We are running V6.48.6 & V7.1.1 in a mixed environment. CHRs and CCRs.
CCR2004s are running
V7.1.1 and zero issues so far. No reboots, no problems. BGP had some odd
tweaks but Linktechs
figured them out quickly.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 10:41 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Canopy,
>
> That new CCR2116 looks like a beast.  I would love to try one of those out
> as a BGP router.  Just worried about the new software.  It is nice to hear
> someone has them in production.  Are you in a mixed version environment?
>
>
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>
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> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, January 19, 2022, 10:24:12 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> I'd HIGHLY recommend starting with Mikrotik. Go with a CCR2004 or the
> newer CCR2116. We have two locations where
> we upgraded them to V7.1.1 and they are stable even with BGP/OSPF, etc.
> Next best option would be a Mikrotik on an X86
> like Baltic. But at that point, might as well go Juniper.
>
> You can't beat Mikrotik for starting out. It does everything you need and
> the price point can't be beat.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 10:10 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I'm using Mikrotik.  Get a "cheap" 1036 right now.  When you outgrow it,
> replace it with the bigger CCR (1072 is bigger but you need to avoid NAT
> and such for crashes at high throughput).  The newer CCR are bigger still
> and even cheaper, but v7 only and hence are super buggy.
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 5:19 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> I think you mean transport, transit is internet access/dia/full routes, so
> you have 3 transit providers feeding a switch and transport back to your
> hut =) Mikrotik is a decent router but stay away from the 1072, the 1036 is
> solid but since it's using CPU instead of asic it cannot withstand many
> ddos attacks
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Dmmoffett,
>
> All three of my BGP routers are RouterOS.  Two are old x86 from baltic
> with the 4 port 10 gig card. One is a CCR1072.  At peak I'm pushing about
> 12G total across all three.  Really haven't push the CCR to the limits yet.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Communications
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 2:33:02 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> ….and I still love Mikrotik’s, but the CCR1072 crash/reboot issue was a
> big turnoff.
>
> *From: *dmmoff...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:32 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router
>
> The only thing I’d be careful of is Juniper changed pricing recently, so
> don’t trust any price you hear that isn’t from 2022.
>
> I’m really loving Arista these days.  An Arista L3 switch would probably
> do everything you’d want.  They do have routers too of course, but switches
> are cheap enough to keep a spare.  Arista’s command syntax is identical to
> Cisco, so there’s that too.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:27 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown 
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router
>
> Yeah just get a juniper, even if you go used, i think it's a front loaded
> investment with a great roi in headaches saved
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:25 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> We are actually routerless at the moment, buying access from another
> company that has some Cisco big iron there.
> It was a great way to start out from scratch but the economics are such
> that it will pay us to do our own router and own DIA now.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:23 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: Dual DIA router
>
> What's your current router? I'm sure it can do many connections using a
> switch and vlans. What is the specs you want and budget? Baltic vengence 3
> is a good option, or mx204 is the best option probably but 25k+
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> To do dual DIA we are going to have to do a new router.  Or used router.
> Last time down this road we were kicking tires on Juniper.  I don’t have a
> ton of customers on my new system yet but I can foresee 2000 in the next
> 2-3 years.
> What would be a good value there?  I really don’t want a $25K router right
> now.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:55 AM
> *To:* TJ Trout
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing
>
> Not sure I want to have two providers at the moment...  The problem is
> having the two backhaul circuits.  Maybe I could vlan them.
> No harm in quoting HE.  Anyone got a sales contact for me in Utah?
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:47 AM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing
>
> I think HE

Re: [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale

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HX50? Shame it's not available yet!

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Mooney, the only airplane you have to climb to land...
>
> I like 2 doors and high wings.  But they are fast, flew one for years.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2022 11:33 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale
>
> I found my 1967 Mooney on barnstormers.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Kitfox. Piper cub.  Anything safe.
>>
>> Chuck McCown
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> 
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 
>> 801-250-9503
>> 435-830-4306 cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench-blades.com
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 7:59 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale
>>
>> I need to get two of my sons to finish their private pilot’s license.
>> Any leads to nice aircraft to buy?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Data Center Construction

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We provided bandwidth for a Google conference about 10 years ago. They said
that due to the explosive growth
of the cloud and it mainly being limited to the big players, there would
only be about 100 data centers in the US
in 10 years. Seems they were off on that projection.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> There is a ton of data that would never dream of being present in The
> vulnerable target centers. Privacy and criminality in the digital age has
> generated a demand for datacenters the same as it used to generate a demand
> for safe deposit boxes that new banks dont even build in
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022, 9:38 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> EdgeConnex hosts a lot of CDN stuff for incumbent operators. I'm not sure
>> what else they do, aside from general colo.
>>
>> The big guys (Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, and Google) both build their
>> own facilities from the ground-up as well as lease a variety of things from
>> other datacenter operators, all of the way from empty shell to fully-built.
>>
>>
>> Also, the longer you use cloud, the more you realize it sucks.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
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>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 1, 2022 9:23:51 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Data Center Construction
>>
>> There was an article in the paper this morning talking about how one of
>> the Chicago suburbs just approved construction of it's 13th datacenter
>> development.  I though the demand for 'private' data center space would
>> be going down since it seems that most companies are going with cloud
>> services from major providers.  And if a smaller outfit wanted a Rack of
>> equipment, they'd host it themselves or find someplace local to do it,
>> not some massive DC building miles from their office.  Or do the big
>> providers (Azure/google/AWS) actually host things in these private DC's
>> instead of building their own space.
>>
>> The previous under construction development in Elk Grove Village is a
>> $1B 4 building DC facility, but I never saw any big name associated with
>> it.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Machinery colors

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If I were you, I would choose brand over what other people think of a
color. Most marketing people would say it is all
about the story. Your story is the family history of baby blue. Explain the
story behind the color and market the heck
out of it. I buy "Chuck" products because of who you are to the industry
and what you have done to more the industry
forward. Sell the family values of baby blue and people will latch onto it.

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 4:44 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> This is actually close to what I find works well in dirty environments
> for my cars.  IF it is available, I like gold shades for cars, as they
> don't get as hot and also don't show dirt.   As the color fades it still
> looks good.
>
> On 2/20/22 11:59, Steve Jones wrote:
> > I cringe when I see implements painted red white and blue, it inevitably
> > means theres an oversized diesel with a steel nutsack hanging off the
> > hitch somewhere nearby, and probably a low production crew hungover
> > operating it.
> >
> > Paint it rust color so it always looks new
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 1:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  > > wrote:
> >
> > I like money more than political ideologies.  I am a greedy, naked
> > capitalist, opportunist.
> > I am sure some would buy it just because it was red white and blue.
> > But some would brand me some kind of alt right company I am afraid.
> > Just like I judge a large pick up truck, rollin’ coal,  with a huge
> > US flag or flying the stars and bars.  I immediately categorize them
> > and start to plan my escape in the event of road rage...
> > While I sometimes am a sympathizer to the right, I am more in the
> > middle on many issues.  Perhaps my age has something to do with it.
> > I see more shades of gray now.  When I was young, I was almost a
> > John Bircher.
> > From: Robert
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 11:26 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Machinery colors
> > Red white and blue?
> > On 2/20/22 9:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > I have a new product, larger than anything I have made before.  It
> > is a self propelled grout mixer similar to the Ditch Witch R300 with
> > a 1CM mixer attachment.  I have some significant improvements over
> > their product but they both do the same thing and look a bit
> > similar.  Our attach method between the grout mixing tub attachment
> > and the rest of the machine is almost identical to DW to allow
> > interchangeability between brands.  Similar to a universal skid
> > steer attachment.This is a high demand machine for the micro
> > trenching world.
> > I am at the point where I have to choose a color for the machine.  I
> > will avoid Ditch Witch colors.  The John Deere trademark decision
> > says I could paint it green but not the same green with yellow of JD
> > equipment.
> > I hate to paint it the generic cat/JD/vermeer type of yellow that
> > everyone else seems to use.  It is not agricultural so probably not
> > JD green. Not sure if Ford blue communicates solid USA made good
> > stuff.  Thinking Kubota orange, but does that communicate inferior
> > Kubota?  Years ago Kubota was truly inferior but now-a days they
> > make good stuff.
> > It will soon get lots of grout spatter on the outside.  Almost
> > impossible to keep these things spotless.  So darker colors will
> > emphasize the mess.  Could paint it concrete gray to minimize that
> > but that does not excite me at all.
> > What color makes you think “solid, American Made, durable, good
> value”?
> > Chuck McCown
> > McCown Technology Corporation
> > 8401 N Commerce Dr
> > Lake Point, Utah 84074
> > 801-250-9503
> > 435-830-4306 cell
> > www.mccowntech.com 
> > www.microtrench-blades.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] Test

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Stop getting all your news from Russian newspapers... comrad.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:14 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Can’t read my newspaper this morning.  Must be the Russians...
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 7:49 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Test
>
> C-it's an iPhone...mandatory to wear flip flops and ear ring for it to
> kind of work..
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 6:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

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I prefer Upwork for these types of jobs. I would first look for templates
that you like and then have someone
flow your graphics into them and tweak them. You'll need to write the
content yourself or hire a writer to
do it and tweak it.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 6:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I did what I have.  It is easy, it looks bush league.  I am not a good
> graphic designer.   Prefer to pay some else to do it.
>
> *From:* Jan-GAMs
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 4:20 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>
>
> EasyDNS.com has a build it yerself one if Crum can't do better, I'm sure
> his will impress.  They can sell you the service pretty cheap, even
> mailboxes.
> On 3/24/22 14:31, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> https://inxfiber.com
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:58 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm interested as well.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a fully responsive template I've built for a couple of wisps that
>>> can be styled to your liking. I would be happy to show it to you. It is
>>> fairly simple but includes the basics like a package list, contact, and can
>>> include some qualification features like looking up your service addresses
>>> and such when they make an inquiry for their address to validate service. I
>>> might have to push it up to a web server to show but let me know if you'd
>>> like to see it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Are they service bureau companies or is this software?

 *From:* TJ Trout
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:27 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Cc:* Chuck McCown
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development

 Fiverr or upwork

 On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> It’s for my ISP.  Needs to look snazzy.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web page development
>
> i just did google dns and google sites for my garbage flat page.
> Square probably have wysiwyg e-commerce stuff thats probably pretty user
> friendly. Also depends on your market, for MT stuff, I just want picture,
> description, price, whistlebops and nifty poppers are for kids with 
> autism.
> Toilet friendly viewing its paramount. I cant stand sitting on the shitter
> looking for products and popup ads wont move out of the way, descriptions
> dont render correctly, pricing isnt there, images are not the actual
> product. its really bad for bowels.
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Once again, I find myself needing a nice webpage done.  I have used
>> companies from india a couple of times with mixed results.
>> I have tried local folks that were expensive and slow and not
>> terribly creative.
>> I do them myself if they are not too complex but I am horrible at
>> both design and marketing.
>>
>> Any advice?
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Re: [AFMUG] Solid 5GHz ptp backhaul solutions

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Make sure the WISPs upgrade their Mimosa B5s to the latest firmware before
junking them. If they are on
old firmware, the newer firmware finally makes them perform the way they
should. I wouldn't invest in
them now but if the WISP already has them, may as well use them.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 9:58 AM  wrote:

> +1
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:57 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solid 5GHz ptp backhaul solutions
>
>
>
> Probably adding 12x modulation over 10x modulation when it first shipped.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:19 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
> The af5xhd literature talks about increasing the link speeds by upgrading
> the software?  What do they mean?
>
> On 3/23/22 22:10, Trey Scarborough wrote:
>
> There is always the cambium PTP550  or radwin 2000-D they are both very
> solid platforms, but at the 2-4k a link for connectorized and dishes you
> get in to the realm of why not just spend the extra on a licensed radio...
>
> On 3/22/2022 2:26 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I have two AirFiber 5GHz HD links in operation for a water company..
>
> They have been super solid...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 1:18 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> My preferred radios for 5ghz backhauls are the Ubiquiti airfiber 5xHD.
>
>
>
> I don't have any personal experience to speak of with Cambium PTP stuff,
> other than ePMP for lower capacity links, but PTP670 is probably the best
> 5ghz PTP radio out there, but it's pretty pricey. The PTP 550 and Force 425
> look pretty decent too, but I haven't used either of those or heard a whole
> lot from people who have.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:53 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Two of the local WISPs have asked me what I would recommend in 5GHz to
> replace their Ubiquiti and Cambium radios for backhauls...
>
> One of them tried Mimosa and went back to Ubiquiti...
>
> What says the Borg?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Late 1970s

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I was expecting a porn documentary.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 3:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> This was my EXACT job.
> https://youtu.be/EniO_8_V5v0
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Re: [AFMUG] Transtector DC or MTC DC Surge Suppression?

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MTC is the only brand we buy. Now if Netonix would just integrate them into
their lightning prone switches

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 1:26 PM  wrote:

> Why don’t you make a $200 super premium model?  Transtector must have
> pretty huge margins on those things.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2022 1:19 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Transtector DC or MTC DC Surge Suppression?
>
>
>
> I have commented on this in the past.  Transtector uses components and
> connectors that are super huge.
>
>
>
> So huge that the distributed impedance of any normal wire connected to it
> will limit the surge as much or more than the surge suppressor.  In other
> words, I believe it is overkill.  But what is wrong with that?
>
>
>
> They do work.  They look cool.  My devices are sacrificial devices.
> Frequently they will explode if a really good surge hits them.  But they
> always protect the equipment.
>
>
>
> I would imagine that Transtectors don’t explode or offer visual evidence
> that they may be wounded.
>
>
>
> Still, can’t say anything bad about them.  They are the name brand.
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2022 8:03 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Transtector DC or MTC DC Surge Suppression?
>
>
>
> Transtector has a bigger board with more shit soldered to it.  Maybe more
> is more.  I don’t know, I’m not the electrical engineer.  I do know it’s
> the “name brand” and you won’t get in trouble with any tower owners or R56
> police.  When something blows up they’ll say “well this guy had a
> transtector so he did his best”.  If you have the MTC which may or may not
> be equivalent they’ll say “hah, that’s the problem! Look at this weird
> brand of surge protector he used! This guy sucks, he should have bought a
> Transtector!”.
>
>
>
> I have no idea, but if I was McCown I would never directly say that a
> Transtector was better than my own product.  If I honestly thought mine was
> better I’d say it loud and proud.
>
> If I was Transtector I’d make all kinds of subtle aspersions about my
> lower cost competitor to imply that they were cheap junk.  But only if I
> was directly asked about them, otherwise I pretend they don’t exist.
>
>
>
> Those of us who only know enough to be dangerous can only draw our own
> conclusions.
>
>
>
> I think Chuck should make a surge suppressor line with a 4x bigger board,
> an aluminum housing, and a few extra diodes to take up the extra space.
> Set the MSRP on that to $20 less than Transtector and label it as “MTC
> Premium Super Turbo 9000 Surge Suppressor” with a little explosion tag on
> the advertising saying “Compare to Transtector!”  Now people will ask
> Transtector about MTC and they will have to come up with an official
> opinion.  Every time they talk about you they drive people to look at you.
>
>
>
> Ever heard the story about Martha Stuart selling homemade pies at a booth
> for $5?  She barely sold any.  So she raised the price to $10 and sold out
> in a couple of hours.  Apparently nobody wants $5 homemade pies.  They want
> $10 hand-crafted small-batch artisanal organic pies.  MTC needs some
> artisanal, organic surge suppressors.
>
>
>
> Look at me.  I should be in marketing.  I’m awesome at this.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2022 7:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Transtector DC or MTC DC Surge Suppression?
>
>
>
> I’m getting ready to test some Tarana gear. They recommend a Transtector
> 1101-1110 for surge suppression on the DC line. I recognize that
> Transtector is exceptional, but I’d like to know if it is significantly
> better than the MTC DC surge suppressors like the 800-DCSS-APC or
> 800-DCSS-AB-APC.
>
>
>
> I’m not necessarily looking to save $150 (Although that is very nice), I’m
> more interested in the form factor and how the MTC units will work better
> in our small enclosures.
>
>
>
> Thank you, Chris
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[AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

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Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a
long time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This
location has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on
the servers on batteries alone.

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

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The Sierra Peter recommends is more what I'm looking for. I'm guessing they
sell direct. What is the approximate pricing on these?

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I really like that 2 RU charger, inverter thingy.  Planning to use one of
> those on my next battery project.
>
> *From:* Peter Kranz via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 2:43 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Cc:* Peter Kranz
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS
>
>
> You can send the Alpha units back for repairs. I believe it currently
> costs $500.
>
>
>
> The Sierra racks as normal, 1U for the Sierra 10 enclosure with up to 5
> modules. It has a full HTTP/SNMP/SMTP monitoring interface assuming you
> insert an Inview-S as a module, the best I’ve seen. AC/DC cabling comes
> from the back or side.
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 12:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS
>
>
>
> We use the Alpha FXM 1000/2000 and they are great. But sometimes they fail
> and we have to replace them entirely.
>
> Wish someone out there was good a repairing the FXM units, seems like a
> waste to just pull and shelve them.
>
>
>
> I’m liking the look of that Sierra system, but a bit unsure of how it
> racks or is monitored?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 10:51 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Peter Kranz 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS
>
>
>
> I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:
>
>
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp
>
>
>
> And these guys when I use lifepo4:
>
> https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/
>
> (I use the 110V version)
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS
>
>
>
> Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a
> long time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This
> location has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on
> the servers on batteries alone.
>
>
>
> What is the current recommendation?
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Re: [AFMUG] sip provider

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What provider are you using? Do they have a local POP? Unless there is a
lot of jitter, latency shouldn't be an issue.

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> Tired of my sip provider.  Moved our whole operation to a new backbone
> with my own C blocks of IP.  Sip provider says my asterisk office system is
> not working because of high latency.  40mS.  Cogent.  Xmission in Salt Lake
> City.  They have always been a pain to work with anyhow.
>
> We have a ubiquity phone on the way to try out.  But I like asterisk and
> aastra phones.
>
> Any suggestions?  Ready to port if the price is right...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] sip provider

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Flowroute is a pre-paid service. You can drop it in and test it to see if
it really is latency.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:06 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I am trying to get X mission to fix it.  2mS, just pinged them,  and they
> say we have too much latency...
> Been working with them since the late 1990s but their responsiveness to
> troubles has always been bad.
> Down for most of a week now...
>
> Once they get it fixed then we can discuss better pricing or we will
> probably be moving.
> Or perhaps they don’t care and it wont get fixed.
>
> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2022 10:57 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] sip provider
>
>
> We have used Flowroute.com for years with no problems (outside of them
> being DDOSd a few months back).
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:55 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] sip provider
>
>
>
> Tired of my sip provider.  Moved our whole operation to a new backbone
> with my own C blocks of IP.  Sip provider says my asterisk office system is
> not working because of high latency.  40mS.  Cogent.  Xmission in Salt Lake
> City.  They have always been a pain to work with anyhow.
>
>
>
> We have a ubiquity phone on the way to try out.  But I like asterisk and
> aastra phones.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?  Ready to port if the price is right...
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier (e501s bracket mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )

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Have someone come up with a design, 3D print it locally and test it
out. You can then ship it out
to a professional 3D printing company where you have LOTS of options
for materials. Some have
carbon fiber, some have metal, some have resilient plastics, resins, etc.

The design is key though. The designer will need to know how the
weight will sit on it so they can
allow the layers to shear off at a layer line.

I have a resin printer and with the different material options, I
would trust them holding expensive
equipment after being cured. Parts are typically printed at off angles
so you don't have the
layer strength issues you would with FDM printing.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:36 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> As these need to hold up $500 APs and survive year-round outdoors, I wouldn't 
> trust 3d-printed plastics.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:19 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> 3d printing?
>>
>> From: Colin Stanners
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:12 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier (e501s bracket 
>> mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )
>>
>> Hi AFMUG, a rare request here.
>>
>> I'm looking to purchase a large number of Cambium's e501s brackets, which 
>> they don't sell individually (reasonable enough due to low demand).
>>
>> A while ago on one of our packages from (passed through) Cambium, I noticed 
>> the name of a Chinese supplier that I didn't recognize. I visited their 
>> website and they seemed to be Cambium's plastics supplier. But I didn't 
>> consider that information worth saving. Has anyone noticed that name so that 
>> I can attempt to buy a number of brackets directly, if they are allowed to 
>> sell them?
>>
>> Reasoning: I'm trying to put together a "super-fast event Wi-Fi 
>> re-deployment" design. Basically, at the many locations where we offer Wi-Fi 
>> once or twice a year, we'd have existing e501S slide-on mounts, also 
>> terminated RJ45 ends with the cable glands in a tough plastic bag ziptied to 
>> the tower. All events would have the routers/PoE switches left onside with a 
>> standardized IP/VLAN/etc setup. The idea is that we can tell the techs "grab 
>> 15 event APs", which don't need to be programmed by the office as they have 
>> a standard config, and after climb the techs spend <1min per AP to slide on 
>> and plug in. So with these and other optimizations, an event of e.g. 5 sites 
>> x 3 APs per site can be fully re-deployed in 1-2hours, instead of the 1-2 
>> days that we normally spend organizing, programming, attaching mounts, 
>> cabling, etc.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier (e501s bracket mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )

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The mold is owned by Cambium, not the supplier. It's not like this is
a generic, off the shelf piece. It's also
possible that multiple parts of the design are made in a single mold.
Getting the mold made is the most
expensive part of the process. After that, each part is probably
<$0.50. If I was Cambium, I'd be super
pissed if they allowed someone else to use my mold. Each mold only has
so many uses before it has
to be replaced. In a steel mold, that is a lot of pieces, but still,
you'd be costing Cambium money.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 12:11 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I have 3D printed parts for aircraft wings.  Totally depends on the filament 
> and settings of the printer.
>
> From: Colin Stanners
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:34 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier (e501s 
> bracket mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )
>
> As these need to hold up $500 APs and survive year-round outdoors, I wouldn't 
> trust 3d-printed plastics.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:19 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> 3d printing?
>>
>> From: Colin Stanners
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:12 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier (e501s bracket 
>> mass-purchase for quick-reinstall event Wi-Fi )
>>
>> Hi AFMUG, a rare request here.
>>
>> I'm looking to purchase a large number of Cambium's e501s brackets, which 
>> they don't sell individually (reasonable enough due to low demand).
>>
>> A while ago on one of our packages from (passed through) Cambium, I noticed 
>> the name of a Chinese supplier that I didn't recognize. I visited their 
>> website and they seemed to be Cambium's plastics supplier. But I didn't 
>> consider that information worth saving. Has anyone noticed that name so that 
>> I can attempt to buy a number of brackets directly, if they are allowed to 
>> sell them?
>>
>> Reasoning: I'm trying to put together a "super-fast event Wi-Fi 
>> re-deployment" design. Basically, at the many locations where we offer Wi-Fi 
>> once or twice a year, we'd have existing e501S slide-on mounts, also 
>> terminated RJ45 ends with the cable glands in a tough plastic bag ziptied to 
>> the tower. All events would have the routers/PoE switches left onside with a 
>> standardized IP/VLAN/etc setup. The idea is that we can tell the techs "grab 
>> 15 event APs", which don't need to be programmed by the office as they have 
>> a standard config, and after climb the techs spend <1min per AP to slide on 
>> and plug in. So with these and other optimizations, an event of e.g. 5 sites 
>> x 3 APs per site can be fully re-deployed in 1-2hours, instead of the 1-2 
>> days that we normally spend organizing, programming, attaching mounts, 
>> cabling, etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT clogged toilet

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Wow, that took me a while.

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:29 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> it took a little while, but I got there.
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:25 AM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Cannot understand this bill

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The $5181 charge is where they charged you per MB instead of per GB.

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 9:34 AM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Looks like an error billing you for disk overage of $5100.
>
> Just ask them to remove that then the bill will look more normal.
>
> Most hosting providers these days don't charge for disk and bandwidth
> though so it may be time to search for a new host.
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2020, 8:06 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* "EMWD.com" 
>> *Date:* May 23, 2020 at 7:00:08 AM MDT
>> *To:* "Chuck McCown (McCown Technology Corporation)" 
>> *Subject:* *New Invoice :: From EMWD.com*
>>
>> 
>> [image: EMWD.com] 
>>
>> Dear Chuck McCown (McCown Technology Corporation),
>>
>> This is a notice that an invoice has been generated on 05/23/2020.
>>
>> Your payment method is: Credit Card
>>
>> Invoice #63668
>> Amount Due: $5586.60USD
>> Due Date: 06/06/2020
>>
>> *Invoice Items*
>>
>> Mailman List Hosting (Tier 1) - af.afmug.com (06/06/2020 - 06/05/2021)
>> $36.00USD
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>> List Name(s): af
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>> $240.00USD
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>> $4.12USD
>> Total Bandwidth Usage = 15.3525390625 GB - Overage Charge = 12.35 GB @
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>> $6.37USD
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>> $4.43USD
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>> 0./GB
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>> $0.00USD
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>> $0.00USD
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>> 0./GB
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>> $0.00USD
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[can...@believewireless.net]

In high school we came up with the "ultimate insult"... but it had to be
able to be said on TV. It certainly
isn't PC today. Although, I don't know what insults are.

"You're a fudge pack'n, woman beating, boot licking, whistle blowing, horn
honking, sap sucking, cork screwing,
carpet bag'n, cow tip'n, two faced, superficial, egotistical, hypocrite."
And if you wanted to really
put a point on it, "... and your mother douches with Draino."

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:32 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Anybody remember the comic strip Rick O'Shay?
> There's one where his horse gets spooked by a rabbit and throws him and he
> yells "Why you black-dang, buck-walloping', ruck-sackin', raggle-tag son of
> a badger pup!"
> And then changes his mind about not going to church that day.
>
> The books are out of print, the best I can find online is this (and I hate
> Pinterest):
> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/480337116483848638/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 3:47 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
> They just look like florescent.  They are actually led strips.
> In Utah you have the following options for swearing:
> Fetch
> Flip
> Frickin' (if you are wading into PG territory) Dang Gol Darn Sugar and my
> favorite:
>
> Oh My Heck!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:35 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
> Your guys get chairs?   You are way too nice to them.
>
> About those fluorescent lamps though….   After the 3rd or 4th railroad
> track
> you will be picking those things up off the floor and might even take up
> swearing.  How does that go in Utah?   Golly Gee whiz snot crap?
>
> Mark
>
> > On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >
> > And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB
> > reduction does far.
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone--
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Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

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That absolutely makes sense! It's not Covid killing people, it's 5G! No
wonder they want a requirement for everyone to wear a mask!

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:49 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I wonder how useful these "debunking" articles are.  The true conspiracy
> devotee will believe whatever they want, and anybody else is just rolling
> their eyes.
>
> Although it is a disturbing trend in politics, science, etc that a lot of
> people are more willing to believe some friggin guy on Youtube than subject
> matter experts.
>
>
> On 7/13/2020 9:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-metal-strip-medical-masks-5/fact-check-metal-strip-in-medical-masks-is-not-a-5g-antenna-idUSKBN24A2O1
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[AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

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So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep
it grid tied just
in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a
Tesla Powerwall
for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the
grid.

In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was
"free," that
would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm 100%
electric already.
I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly
roof space to
compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.

What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

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Where did you find your cheapest price for panels?

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM  wrote:

> I have good luck with Chint.  Good value.
> A backup generator on propane is a much better value than any battery
> solution.
> I used to have a good rule of thumb on how large the array needs to be.
> Something like total annual usage in kWh divided by 3 or something like
> that.  I have 10 kW of panel at home.
>
> I found my spreadsheet.
> In 2013 I use 26939 kWh for the year.
> 28238 in 2012.
> So pretty close to 30,000 kWh.
>
> In 2015 I added 10 kW and mostly killed my power bill.
> 2017 I used 1178 kWh (purchased from the utility).
>
> I am planning to add at  least 5 kW more someday.
> And then switch to electric on demand water heaters.
>
> So 10 kW for 30,000 kWh.
> Take annual total kWh and divide by 3 and you have a reasonable value for
> the amount of power you need to install.
>
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar
>
> So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep
> it grid tied just
> in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a
> Tesla Powerwall
> for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the
> grid.
>
> In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was
> "free," that
> would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm
> 100% electric already.
> I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly
> roof space to
> compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.
>
> What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I
> should consider?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cracked me up

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You finally started drinking after all these years? And watching porn too?

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:

> “competitor” “friend”  gheeze...
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* OT cracked me up
>
> Overheard a customer (not mine, a computer's) complaining about their
> service to a fried.  “Why is the porn so slow today”.
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Re: [AFMUG] Second Ewon Cozy 131 configured

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A $20 Mikrotik could do the same but harder to setup if you don't have
experience.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:44 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> These puppies are pretty straight forward to configure and implement in
> field.  The eCatcher software makes is simple to access the unit and
> devices connected behind it.
> A lot easier than Cradlepoint but pricier.
> I will take it..
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

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Why not just leave?

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM  wrote:

> I lived through a an era of having a business partner that had the sugar
> daddy thing happening.  Those wives of his earned what they got.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:47 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
> Rumors I read were that she did not "sign up" for the White House gig, and
> she re-negotiated the pre-nup before she moved from NYC to DC. There is
> also some guarantees she negotiated for the Baron.
>
> IMO, she originally signed up for a sugar daddy, and things have
> (obviously) gotten more complicated.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 12:38 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I wonder how he got her to stay, especially after the access hollywood
> tape and the other stuff came out.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:34 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
> This is not any more classy than people calling Michelle Obama an ape.
>
> If anything Melania is a victim of circumstance.  "First Lady" is probably
> not the job she signed up for.
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 1:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> What's the difference between a Rolls Royce and Melania?
> Not everyone has been inside a Rolls-Royce...sas
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 11:07 AM  wrote:
>
>> The pimp just does not do anything for me.  Now the hooker on the other
>> hand...
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:25 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>>
>> I have tons more
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 10:23 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

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Look at Bridgewave as well. We are pricing both Aviat and Bridgewave on
some upgrades now.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

> Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I
> can share his email off list if you want.
>
> We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon
> just to have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual
>> core radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>> The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and
>> Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under
>> $20K for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking
>> something crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least
>> expensive link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different
>> models listed. All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the
>> picture. When I say less expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k
>> or less for the link and antenna. So not super cheap.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.
>> Any licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a
>> lot of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.
>>
>>
>>
>> If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t need
>> really high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t
>> have any of them, but it seems like a match for low price without industry
>> leading modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think maybe
>> you need to license both polarizations, so might be slightly more difficult
>> to coordinate in a congested area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which Aviat model were you looking at?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>
>>
>>
>> So Guru's,
>>
>> Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long that
>> will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I think
>> they are out of my range.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

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Oh, and neither exceed $10k.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:52 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Look at Bridgewave as well. We are pricing both Aviat and Bridgewave on
> some upgrades now.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I
>> can share his email off list if you want.
>>
>> We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon
>> just to have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual
>>> core radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and
>>> Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under
>>> $20K for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking
>>> something crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least
>>> expensive link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different
>>> models listed. All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the
>>> picture. When I say less expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k
>>> or less for the link and antenna. So not super cheap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> 13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.
>>> Any licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a
>>> lot of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t need
>>> really high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t
>>> have any of them, but it seems like a match for low price without industry
>>> leading modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think maybe
>>> you need to license both polarizations, so might be slightly more difficult
>>> to coordinate in a congested area.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which Aviat model were you looking at?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So Guru's,
>>>
>>> Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long
>>> that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I
>>> think they are out of my range.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

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Who checks behind the employee? Do they check daily? Weekly? Unchecked, a
truck can go from perfect to nightmare in a week.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:07 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> We have a pre shift inspection check list and a minimum equipment and tool
> list.  Our employer handbook speaks to what is expected.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have an example of a sheet for vehicle assignment to
> employees?
> >
> > Something that goes over responsibilities, keeping it clean, driving
> safely, employee requirement for maintenance.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

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Galileo was an inept moron. Tesla was an inept moron. Lots of inept morons
throughout history.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:08 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left
> morons and a group of right morons.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
> What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron
> over an expert trained on this..
> Unbelievable
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while
>> it looks like new cases are starting to go down.
>> Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.
>> Testing rates are continuing to rise.
>>
>> Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on
>> and are wearing their masks now.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The virus doesn't care about statistics.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sad fall

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More time to invent something useful for us.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 9:05 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have never had to survive a fall without college football.  Sob...  the
> humanity!!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

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I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different
upstreams but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional
> wavelength, even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going
> somewhere else (and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP.
>
> Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are
> sufficient to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question
>
> We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
> need to start thinking about getting some more.
>
> Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
> With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
> pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
> total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
>  It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
>  That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.
>
>  The question is which would be "better"?
>
>  A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
>  Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.
>
>  B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
>  possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a
> possible 3rd data center.
>
>  I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
>  down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
>  install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
>  customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
>  build out.
>
>  Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
>  have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
>  mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.
>
>  Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.
>
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Camera Systems

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Grandstream cameras are fine but their NVR BLOWS.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 2:26 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I've been mostly happy with the Grandstream phones, has anyone tried their
> cameras?  Pricing looks ok.  They're Not 4k, But I'm not sure I need that.
>
> On 8/29/2020 4:27 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Yep ..talk to Efrain or Bryan...tell them you are my friend and to give
> you my pricing...I know the owner and have been doing business with them
> since 1993.
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 3:07 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> epcom has the least expensive hikvision cameras and NVR's, you're welcome
>> ;p
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been leaning towards Hanwha.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>
>>>
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>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" < af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, August 29, 2020 1:11:57 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Camera Systems
>>>
>>> I haven't put any new cameras in for a couple years.  Last one's I did
>>> were Unifi Protect.  And although it is still running, the software
>>> seems to be just as buggy as it was all those years ago, and for the
>>> features, the cameras are pretty expensive.  Are there any other low
>>> cost turnkey camera solutions out there?  I could do like a Zoneminder
>>> or BlueIris, but I'm lazy in my old age and was looking for something
>>> more plug and play.I'm intrigued by the Blink or Nest cameras, but
>>> it looks like their only options are WIFI cameras, and I'd really like
>>> something POE.
>>>
>>> I'm looking to put 2-3 cameras at tower sites, so I can go back and look
>>> at recordings to see if anyone has been there, or pull them up to with
>>> live view to see what the weather is like at the site.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

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I prefer Wild Planet.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I like sardines.
>
>
>
> King Oscar, in olive oil.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for
> everyone... crammed in like sardines.  Just like Eastern Europe.
>
>
>
> Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist
>
>
>
> You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income.  Now 2
> incomes and you still have difficulty making it.  Especially in Canada now
> that the housing market has gone batshit crazy.
>
>
>
> [image: logo] 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
>
> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
>  | P: 519-737-9283W: www.wavedirect.net
> *
>
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number.
>
> Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a
> rental house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service
> under the sun and claim a living wage is what's required.
>
> They eat together, buy in bulk.
>
> Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and
> needs are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have
> more free capital than most middle class americans.
>
>
>
> I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at
> them from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5
> times their wage.
>
>
>
> It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally,
> specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only
> wants them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun
> intended) here, they $upply.
>
> The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand
> is high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply.
>
> Don't paint us all as cheap labor.
>
> Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil
> brother at TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>
> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
> damn fault.
> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
> have far less drug issues.
>
>
>
> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic
> absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational
> with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
> have these problems if you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before
> getting fired his supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator spra

Re: [AFMUG] security question

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Flow Routes has pretty good security for this. If they notice international
calls all of a sudden to a certain country, they shut that country
off in your portal. Another thing to do is block international traffic for
most customers or require a pin code to make the call.

I've noticed most of these attempts happen on the weekends and holidays
when they assume IT people won't be around.

We had the same issue happen years ago with Level 3 and we aren't as
proactive about it.

Another option is to tunnel customer/remote SIP traffic back to an Asterisk
box on a private IP. Then NAT the SIP traffic to/from your
provider and lock it down to that specific IP.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 7:52 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I think I'm doing something similar.  Firewall only allows Asterisk IP to
> talk to customer IPs and carrier IPs.  Other SIP traffic is dropped.
>
> I have no serious incentive to do it another way.
>
>
> On 9/5/2020 1:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> We had asterisk running, we had SIP trunks to a company called Xmission in
> Salt Lake city.
> Something internally here got hijacked and started sending SIP traffic to
> Xmission.  We got a huge bill before anyone noticed.
>
> So what we did was to put the SIP trunks on their own static IP.  That is
> the only thing on that globally routable IP connects to.
> Xmission uses that IP to send us terminating traffic.  We use that IP to
> send traffic to Xmission.
>
> I would rather go back to using that IP for everything here, but we don’t
> want a repeat of history.
> Is it worth trying to do?  Or just leave it alone?
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[AFMUG] Need a "Chuck" version of this

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Saw this recently posted on FB. I like the concept but would prefer an
external ground point.
I'd be curious to see Chuck test these. I don't think he could fit all of
his electrical goodness
into a connector this small.

https://www.amazon.com/WatchfulEyE-WTH-SG-RJ45-S-Ethernet-Protector/dp/B07H5PWWQ1
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[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

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I hope the rest of the room is surrounded in metal. Otherwise, you could
just punch through the drywall and enter.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:04 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> A friend of mine just put this in his new house. I think you need a few.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:55 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I actually do have what you could call a bunker.  That is what my
>> neighbors call it.  Underground room off a tunnel that connects my house
>> basement with my garage lower level.  Like to find a fancy old bank vault
>> door for it.  I told my kids that when I croak they will find it stuffed
>> floor to ceiling with toilet paper.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> If the weather stayed like it’s been this week, you could just put a
>> comfy chair out on the lawn for her.
>>
>>
>>
>> My neighbors got some sort of tentlike gazebo thing.  It’s probably just
>> a gazebo, but I’ve wondered if it’s a quarantine hut in case one of them
>> gets infected.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck could quarantine in his Vienna Sausage bunker.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 7, 2020 12:06 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] COVID Exposure and the real world
>>
>>
>>
>> You geeks are pretty smart.
>>
>> I was thinking, there's nothing stopping me from making her room and our
>> upstairs bathroom negative pressure rooms with some 6 inch duct and duct
>> fans in a plywood and styrofoam cutout in the window. If I put a hepa
>> furnace filter on and a baffle it should keep any heat and bugs out of the
>> house. May help keep our upstairs cooler blowing heat out and drawing cool
>> air up from downstairs. Laying the duct to the floor should cause down
>> draft and get any potential airborne bugs out of the air.
>>
>> I'm thinking if I run humidifiers it should give any covid creatures
>> something weighty to attach to.
>>
>> My 15 year old opted to go stay with my neice because I gave him and the
>> 12 year old girl the current known political statistics and let them define
>> their own risk tolerance. If wife doesnt get symptomatic I'm letting him go
>> through with his baptism Sunday since he wont be exposed when she would
>> become contagious. But then again, church is the only place it spreads.
>>
>> The girl opted to stay
>>
>>  The two littles dont have brain pan capacity to decide, since neither of
>> them talk yet.
>>
>> The fat baby is still on boob juice and CDC and who political
>> recommendations are to continue breast feeding but for mom to wear a
>> mask... odd to see common sense prevail from either of those places.
>>
>> Probably making a poor choice somewhere in all this but when you're
>> offered the option of a shit sandwich or a turd burger, the outcomes wont
>> be all that different.
>>
>>
>>
>> Boss was pretty cool, we are on the same page as far as risk exposure and
>> mitigation at work. This wont be her last exposure at work, though I hope
>> it's the last high risk one. And if she does test positive, then we dont
>> have to worry about them anymore. If I catch it and dont croak out then we
>> are riding on the golden ticket. We are both smokers and apparently this
>> particular disease that's a good thing since the vascular impact is
>> mitigated by our constant constriction, no covid toe for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> Looked like a hypochondriac at the store stocking up on vitamins for 3
>> age ranges and normal cold/flu meds for 3 age ranges. Learning a ton about
>> vitamin D, C, potassium and Zinc tolerances. This sucks because something
>> in multivitamins cause me to get tinitus so the ringing will start here in
>> a couple days. But at least we will walk away in the habit of adjuncting
>> with vitamins. Probably something we should have been doing all along.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm guessing if I werent treating this like any disaster mitigation at
>> work I'd be freaking out like the wife. Hopefully I dont get to the point I
>> have it handled and have time to sit and think. Might result in a bit of a
>> brain bubble.
>>
>>
>>
>> Going to find out shortly just how accurate the "experts" are. Should be
>> an interesting week. According to CNN, since we are a right leaning
>> household, we are all going to die because of our guns.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 11:34 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This guy is a definite initial false negative. It technically wasn't an
>> initial rule out, it was a confirmation test, that's why the doc
>> immediately ordered second test. Since my initial post there's been a lot
>> of policy activity at the facility. A lot of staff exposure occurred.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 4:56 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Keep in mind that that could be a false positive as well there are a lot
>> of both false negatives and false positives on the test. Unless they
>> perform several more tests you will never kno

Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

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The Hartford has different levels of coverage. We were originally put under
a low risk category. For some reason,
they chose to cancel use rather than move us to the next tier. Unitel moved
us and all is good now.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:18 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> I will look to see what code they have us under.   I will have to get the
> boss involved (my wife who does our benefits and payroll 😊 ).
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Hoppes 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
>
> Who is the underlying carrier you're using and what employee code?
>
> On 9/16/20 7:45 AM, David Coudron wrote:
> > We are using ADP for our payroll and get workers comp from them.  It is
> nice because they take premiums from every payroll and we don't have to
> mess around with estimating premiums and making up the difference when they
> do audits.   We still get the audits, but what we have been paying is our
> liability, so no big surprises.   They are pretty quick to get out COIs as
> well, which is nice when we get requests for them.   They seem to be about
> the same price as everyone else, but you need to use them for payroll,
> which we were doing anyway.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > David Coudron
> >
> > David Coudron
> > david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
> >
> > Advantenon, Inc.
> > i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
> 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local:
> 612-454-1545
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:31 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
> >
> > Who do you all have your workers comp insurance with?  Unitel is not the
> insurance company, they are just a broker.
> >
> > Who is your underlying carrier?
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[AFMUG] Remote Workers and Workers Comp

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If workers are totally remote clerical/accounting/networking/sales, what is
required
for workers comp?
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Re: [AFMUG] Next project

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MOAB?

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 8:35 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> In the on deck circle.  You guess.  Will post progress photos.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Commissioned Sales

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I wouldn't pay recurring to any sales rep. They need to be hungry for the
next sale.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:42 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> This is for business.   Not residential.
>
> On 9/21/20 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > I wouldn't pay someone bot a month upfront and a residual, but maybe I
> > am greedy. The big thing I think you should watch out for that always
> > scuttles sales people I have apus that way is their residual gets so
> > high they no longer have to get new clients to earn a great living so
> > they eventually stop selling and just work part time maintaining their
> > base and lifestyle.
> >
> > At least that is what has happened every time I have tried it. So I
> > would either limit residual to some period of months and only extend it
> > if they both upped their monthly and renewed for a longer term.
> >
> > None of that was what you asked and the better softwares will
> > produce commission report for you.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 9:38 AM Matt Hoppes
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > I’m planning to do 100% of the monthly rate upfront and then 5%
> > ongoing.
> >
> > I figure the more they help the company grow they should be making
> > more too.
> >
> > A 350/month account - that’s only $18 to the sales person.
> > Insignificant to the company, but massive potential for them
> > considering what they are bringing in.
> >
> >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Jesse DuPont
> >>  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>  We do it as one time commission - usually 1x or sometimes 2x the
> >> monthly for that sale. We give it to them again on a renewal. We
> >> usually have term contracts so as to ensure the revenue stream
> >> over time since we're paying the commission up front. We haven't
> >> done a recurring commission yet.
> >> 
> >>
> >> *Jesse DuPont*
> >>
> >> Owner / Network Architect
> >> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> >> 
> >> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> >> Like us! facebook.com/  >celeritynetworksllc
> >>
> >> Like us! facebook.com/ celeritybroadband
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 9/20/20 8:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >>> Does anyone have an excel sheet or other tracking method for a
> commissioned sales person they’d want to share, or share how you do it?
> >>>
> >>> We are hiring our first outside sales person. She has a base
> salary, but then gets bonuses based on closed sales, as well as recurring
> commission for accounts that stay.
> >>>
> >>> Trying to figure out the best way to track this.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Get Rich, Via FAX!

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I'd bet they hacked someone's VoIP server.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 10:22 AM Matt Corcoran  wrote:

> Maybe someone has a backdoor/hack into some companies efax system/number.
>
>
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> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 9:43 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Get Rich, Via FAX!
>
> I got a fax through that I just inherited $100,000,000.  It's the same
> text you'd expect in an email, but formatted into a 8x11 and faxed.
>
> Interesting that the Caller ID that the fax came from is the same number
> that he says to fax back to in the fax (South Africa number).  Did
> someone actually spend money for a phone line for this scam, not just
> spamming out with free email accounts.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - cone of silence

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I'd buy it if they had a bluetooth or wifi app that allowed you to cut off
the air to someone else.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:35 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Wasn't there an insurance commercial where a guy had a suit that made him
> invincible, he would fall off the roof etc.  This seems like the first step
> towards that.  If we all walked around in positive pressure suits, then
> it'll keep everything out.
>
> On 9/25/2020 8:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I vote that it's creepy enough that I would not wear one.
>
> I wonder how sound goes through the bubble?
>
> What would that feel like in Nashville in June or July?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 9/24/2020 8:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Chuck, I know you like the cone of silence from Get Smart.  I keep getting
> ads for this thing:
>
> https://microclimate.com/
>
>
>
> I can’t decide if it’s goofy or creepy or what.  Maybe it’s a joke but
> looks like it’s a real thing.  Hi there, I’m in my own personal bubble,
> literally.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cellular security cameras

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Chuck, you mention you are looking for afterhours movement, what exactly
are you trying to monitor? Theft of equipment?
Theft of material? Vandalism?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I wonder if there is something already built specific to the construction
> industry.  Around here, any construction site, the very first thing that
> goes in at the site is a wooden pole with a big ole' Solar panel on it, and
> 1-3 cameras at the top.  I can't tell if they just record video locally, or
> if it's sending it somewhere else.  But every construction site has one,
> and I can't imagine all these guys are all coming up with this setup on
> their own, as they all look surprisingly standard across the different
> sites and companies.
>
> On 6/3/2021 9:17 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>
> Remember however that with Visible when tethered the bandwidth is limited
> to the tethered device to 5 meg down and 1 meg up. You may be able to put
> their SIM in a device that does not have their software possibly and get
> around this. I have read about it but not tried it on my devices.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cellular security cameras
>
>
>
> visible, $25 verizon unlimited
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 5:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> How much would I expect to pay for 4G/LTE bandwidth if I put up a camera
> at a construction site where there is no WiFi?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT employee location tracking

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I actually like the roll call idea. Cheap and easy.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:26 AM Robert  wrote:

> Only if you get a subscription with the Gates Foundation..
>
> On 6/9/21 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> If they all would get the vaccine, problem solved.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 9, 2021 8:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT employee location tracking
>
> Chip 'em like chihuahuas. If it works for dogs, what harm would there be?
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>
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:48 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> We decided to go away from T sheets.  To much employee cheating etc.  We
>> fired a few people.  Supervisors now take roll call and note when people
>> check out.  Life is much better now.  No idea how much money I lost being
>> asleep at the switch.
>>
>> However we did like the location tracking ability of T sheets.  Any low
>> or no cost methods to do this?  I am sure there are but I would rather ask
>> you guys first before trying to randomly find something.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

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We get this all the time, especially since Covid. Their remote monitoring
goes off so they call the ISP.
Our first question is always, "Can you power cycle the CPE?" Answer is
usually, "No one is onsite."

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 4:15 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they have no
> internet.  On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and multiple
> pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc)  How can
> you not notice that all of the blinking lights that are usually blinking
> are not blinking?  I'm guessing it's also much quieter than normal.  And
> how is the first thought that 'I'm going to call the ISP because the
> internet isn't working' before even checking anything.
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Re: [AFMUG] Gateway Router Recommendation

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You can use a PC-based router running a VM. Baltic has one.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 2:06 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Jason,
>
> I'm currently testing a CCR1072. Only have a single 10G eBGP connection.
> Peaks at about 2GB for now.  Running fine.  Going to add a 10GB iBGP
> connection to it in the next few days to see how it handles a bit more
> load.  It it passes that, I'll add another 10GB eBGP connection to it.
> Don't think I'll try to push it beyond that until v7 is ready.
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>
>
> I'm looking to update my gateway router (currently a CCR1036) to something
> that can support 2 10GE WAN connections running BGP.  I'd probably want at
> least 3 or 4 SFP+ ports.  The CCR1072 comes to mind, but I've read horror
> stories relating to this model, so I'm looking at other options.  Those of
> you that use Juniper or Cisco, what would you recommend?  I'd probably be
> buying gray-market on these brands due to the price.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** OT interesting graphic

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I'd rather see the deaths by accident alone. "Air pollution" seems like it
could be a fuzzy number.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 1:19 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> [image: nuclear-10adesktop-2]
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Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg..

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I remember when TOR came out. I thought, awesome! I'll setup some public
servers, allow people to avoid being tracked by
advertisers, etc... And then I thought, what if some child
pornographer/terrorist/sex trafficer/etc uses it? And that killed that idea
immediately.

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 3:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Similar reason I have never installed TOR.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2021 12:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg..
>
> No hablo
>
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 11:58 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Touching them also severely restricts the kind of work you can do.
>>
>> If you sell them, service them, or have any on your network, you're
>> excluded from anything with federal funds. That's a tight rope to walk in
>> government and utility work.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
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>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, August 22, 2021 9:53:32 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg..
>>
>> Yep...they work well and are cost effective, comrade.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 8:28 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> People are still intentionally using Hikvision or Huawei in the US?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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>>> *Sent: *Friday, August 20, 2021 7:44:12 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Question for the Borg..
>>>
>>> Has anyone integrated the Ubiquti cameras with the Hikvision NVRs?
>>> I might need to that next week...
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Re: [AFMUG] Medium Duty Bucket Trucks

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An F550 doesn't require a CDL, just a DOT physical. Avoid bucket vans at
all costs. While they are typically cheaper than trucks,
they have a lot more maintenance issues. I prefer F550 bucket trucks with
the 42ft, 3 section booms as they are more versatile.
You typically have to go with a F550 to get the larger booms but I've seen
them on F450s as well with outriggers. Another
thing I look for is an insulated boom. While we don't technically need it,
it's just extra insurance to protect employees from not
paying attention.

For most WISP/FISP operations, I just don't see the advantage of larger,
CDL bucket trucks.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:35 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm currently in the market for a bucket truck, and it looks like a medium
> duty (especially those that require a CDL) truck is noticably cheaper than
> the closest equivalent F550. Is anyone using these? Thoughts?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Alkaline Batteries

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Another rechargeable option is LiFePo4 AA batteries. They are 3V but you
can get them with a "connector" that acts as a
dummy battery.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 4:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The one we have is a "MAHA MH-C800S eight cell AA/AAA quick batttery
> charger"
> (
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/333148128470?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=333148128470&targetid=4580496732614416&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418233788&mkgroupid=1230353745471221&rlsatarget=pla-4580496732614416&abcId=9300542&merchantid=51291&msclkid=7f2c5e3a4ba515ebf3633f612ec791fe
> <
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/333148128470?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=333148128470&targetid=4580496732614416&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418233788&mkgroupid=1230353745471221&rlsatarget=pla-4580496732614416&abcId=9300542&merchantid=51291&msclkid=7f2c5e3a4ba515ebf3633f612ec791fe
> >}
>
> Each position will take either a AA or a AAA battery, and is
> individually monitored. It also has a "slow mode" where you can gently
> charge them instead of quick charge. The batteries will last longer if
> you don't stress them out with rapid charging.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/4/2021 1:19 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > Is the 8 bay charger a Panasonic charger, or 3rd party?  All I'm
> > finding from Panasonic are the 4 port chargers.  Do they make 20 or 30
> > slot chargers?
> >
> > On 10/4/2021 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> We have a smart charger with slots for 8 batteries, and each battery
> >> is charged individually. It knows when they are charged, and has an
> >> indicator that says so.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 10/4/2021 1:13 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> >>> Is there a limit to how long they can stay in the charger?  Like
> >>> could we put them in the charger whenever they're not in use so
> >>> they'll always be full?
> >>>
> >>> On 10/4/2021 3:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>  We have a half dozen or so trail cams for spotting wildlife around
>  our property.  They all take between 8 and 12 AA batteries.
> 
>  Regular alkaline AA batteries do OK, but have to be tossed after 3
>  months or so.
> 
>  So we have been using NiMH batteries, which are rechargable. They
>  last as long or longer than the alkaline and can be recharged
>  hundreds of times.
> 
>  We have learned a few things about the NiMH vs alkaline.
> 
>  First, and possibly the most important is that NiMH run at a
>  nominal 1.2 volts, while alkaline run at a nominal 1.5 volts. Some
>  devices just won't tolerate the lower voltage, so you have to test
>  them to see how they work. In the favor of NiMH batteries, the
>  voltage holds longer and does not go below 1.2 volts until they are
>  about done. Alkaline OTOH will continuously degrade from their
>  nominal voltage.
> 
>  Second, don't get just any NiMH batteries, get Panasonic Eneloop
>  Pro (black). They last the longest, and will hold a charge longer
>  while sitting on the shelf.
> 
>  Finally, the NiMH "AA" batteries are a tiny bit larger diameter
>  than alkaline. Most devices are OK, but we have a few where
>  shoe-horning the NiMH into the same space is a bit of a challenge.
> 
>  Also, as another alternative, you might look at Lithium
>  (non-rechargable) batteries. They are the same size and voltage as
>  alkaline, but will last 5-10 times longer. They are also the most
>  expensive.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 10/4/2021 12:47 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > At Church we use a some wireless microphones, they all use 2 AA
> > batteries.  There is a battery indicator on the units, but
> > Invariably, they will start to alarm in the middle of using them.
> > I'm pretty sure the indicator is logarithmic, like my gas gauge,
> > so it will spend %75 of the time reporting full, and then quickly
> > fail after that.  So I'm thinking about just mandating that all
> > batteries are replaced at the beginning of each use.  We're not
> > talking about a ton, ~20 batteries per week.
> >
> > How good are Rechargeable AA batteries, It's been years since I've
> > last used them, would they be worth looking into?  Does anybody
> > take half used alkaline batteries and do anything with them other
> > than throwing them out?
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

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I have a cellular/GPS asset tracker coming out in a few months. Chuck,
happy to let you test it out NC.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
>> persons data plan?
>> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky
>> way of getting a free ride.
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps to
>> the tracking service.
>>
>> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>>
>>
>>
>> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging
>> enough “air time” to report home.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>>
>> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>>
>> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity
>> to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but
>> that isnt worth anything over distance.
>>
>>
>>
>> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting them
>> on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
>>
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