Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

It is per month.  This is with a three-year subscription.

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One time or recurring?

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From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 4:59 PM 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat 

Is the pricing $12.50/site now?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

Yes

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Is the pricing $12.50/site now?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Roland Houin]

My testing seems to agree with steve.

We’re testing 1 tower now.  

Looks very promising

 

roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 8:19 PM
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That's per month. But worth it for the recovered installs. They pay for the 
service as long as they're active.

You really should contact them directly. Get a demo up. I don't vouch for 
anything, and I never use the term game changer in a non sarcastic way. I'll 
vouch for this game changer.

I'm not going to lie, this is self serving. What this does is it gets everyone 
installing in the best location under most circumstances. What that does for me 
is cleans up the spectrum. Less radios blasting full eirp around me means less 
interference. My radios not blasting means equalized ap levels. This means more 
customers per ap at higher throughput and more time to drink since I'm not 
dealing with saturated radios or interference as often.

 

How does chuck in Utah benefit me? If chuck in Utah signs off on it, there's 
trust in the product. Hence more sales. Long term more engineering/features and 
lower cost.

 

Trust this chuck, let me drink more. Alchohol kills corona and I want to live

 

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One time or recurring?

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Is the pricing $12.50/site now?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Roland Houin]

monthly, recurring, 3 year term, billed quarterly

Roland



> One time or recurring?

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Is the pricing $12.50/site now?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Steve Jones]

That's per month. But worth it for the recovered installs. They pay for the
service as long as they're active.
You really should contact them directly. Get a demo up. I don't vouch for
anything, and I never use the term game changer in a non sarcastic way.
I'll vouch for this game changer.
I'm not going to lie, this is self serving. What this does is it gets
everyone installing in the best location under most circumstances. What
that does for me is cleans up the spectrum. Less radios blasting full eirp
around me means less interference. My radios not blasting means equalized
ap levels. This means more customers per ap at higher throughput and more
time to drink since I'm not dealing with saturated radios or interference
as often.

How does chuck in Utah benefit me? If chuck in Utah signs off on it,
there's trust in the product. Hence more sales. Long term more
engineering/features and lower cost.

Trust this chuck, let me drink more. Alchohol kills corona and I want to
live

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 7:10 PM  wrote:

> One time or recurring?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 4:59 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat
>
> Is the pricing $12.50/site now?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[chuck]

One time or recurring?

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From: Matt Hoppes 
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Matt Hoppes]

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Steve Jones]

only thing it does not have is wind turbines, that data would be nice to
have in there

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 4:45 PM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> How does it compare to TowerCoverage?  That seems expensive compared to
> what I pay them.  We use it everyday with great success.  I really can not
> think of an install that we lost because of it.   Did any of you switch and
> why?
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Dan Sullivan via AF <
> af@af.afmug.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:40 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc: *Dan Sullivan 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat
>
>
>
> If a site costs $12.50 per month and you save a failed install or go
> exactly right to the correct spot on a good install, time savings and
> equipment wear and tear will be realized on first install call.
>
>
>
> Can use tool to look for locations of previous DNQs.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 11:40 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> Yep, you’re arguing about semantics.  The difference between “free” and “a
> tool that pays for itself” is hard to see.  Some people would use the term
> “no-brainer”.
>
>
>
> Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> It's a figure of speech.
>
> On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's not free, it's more of an investment.  Or a tool that pays for
> itself.
>
>
> There's no such thing as free, Bernie.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of
> customers who you passed over because of a failed installation.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one
> recurring flight plan for the whole year.
>
> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  You
> could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and
> burn way more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's
> that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.
>
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in
> line.  Oh, and where’s my flying car?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs
> too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech
> installs
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees
> near the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.
>
>
>
> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall
> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that
> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller
> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything
> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the
> south, the link would completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees
> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story
> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of
> the Cambium SM.  You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen
> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> that would be a discussion to have with them.
>
> LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Steve Jones]

weve found -77 and 0 feet to be a perfect tool for starting (-77 lights up
targets)
then we go to 12 feet, because thats the minimum height of post we require
if theres nothing on the house

in less than a week, operating with questionable input data (from us) we
have already been able to build out processes.

customer service can use it to qualify a customer
installer can use if to site survey
i can use it for identifying locations for backhauls
admin can use it for reviewing old no line of sites and recovering revenue

thats just from 1 of the 3 tools

its a simple tool to use, and if youve run RM, the minute they show you how
to operate the sliders, your eye starts to bleed and you regret the hours
of propagation you could have spent drinking

it would be really awesome if they could work out a deal with GME on a
discount for a SmartAligner so your input data is as accurate as possible.
but fyi, the smart aligner comes in a pelican case, and there is bragging
rights in having a pelican case.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 4:36 PM Dan Sullivan via AF  wrote:

> cnHeat will help you to avoid the failed truck rolls and target the
> correct location at the start for your successful truck rolls.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of
> customers who you passed over because of a failed installation.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one
> recurring flight plan for the whole year.
>
> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  You
> could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and
> burn way more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's
> that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.
>
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in
> line.  Oh, and where’s my flying car?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs
> too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech
> installs
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees
> near the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.
>
>
>
> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall
> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that
> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller
> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything
> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the
> south, the link would completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees
> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story
> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of
> the Cambium SM.  You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen
> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> that would be a discussion to have with them.
>
> LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is
> amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to
> where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically
> looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR
> data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
> Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was
> supported.  900 was on the road map.
>
> Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What frequencies does it support?
> >>
> >> 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Craig Schmaderer]

How does it compare to TowerCoverage?  That seems expensive compared to what I 
pay them.  We use it everyday with great success.  I really can not think of an 
install that we lost because of it.   Did any of you switch and why?

From: AF  on behalf of Dan Sullivan via AF 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dan Sullivan 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

If a site costs $12.50 per month and you save a failed install or go exactly 
right to the correct spot on a good install, time savings and equipment wear 
and tear will be realized on first install call.

Can use tool to look for locations of previous DNQs.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 11:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Yep, you’re arguing about semantics.  The difference between “free” and “a tool 
that pays for itself” is hard to see.  Some people would use the term 
“no-brainer”.

Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat


It's a figure of speech.
On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's not free, it's more of an investment.  Or a tool that pays for itself.

There's no such thing as free, Bernie.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of customers who 
you passed over because of a failed installation.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one recurring 
flight plan for the whole year.
On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat


We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  You could 
make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and burn way 
more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's that the 
driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.


On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in line. 
 Oh, and where’s my flying car?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs too. 
Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near 
the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny 
trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 
feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller than the house, 
and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind 
was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would 
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, 
until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little 
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM.  You could 
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and 
drop out when the wind blew hard enough.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is 
amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Gr

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

If a site costs $12.50 per month and you save a failed install or go exactly 
right to the correct spot on a good install, time savings and equipment wear 
and tear will be realized on first install call.

Can use tool to look for locations of previous DNQs.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 11:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Yep, you’re arguing about semantics.  The difference between “free” and “a tool 
that pays for itself” is hard to see.  Some people would use the term 
“no-brainer”.

Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat


It's a figure of speech.
On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's not free, it's more of an investment.  Or a tool that pays for itself.

There's no such thing as free, Bernie.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of customers who 
you passed over because of a failed installation.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one recurring 
flight plan for the whole year.
On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat


We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  You could 
make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and burn way 
more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's that the 
driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.


On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in line. 
 Oh, and where’s my flying car?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs too. 
Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near 
the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny 
trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 
feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller than the house, 
and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind 
was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would 
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, 
until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little 
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM.  You could 
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and 
drop out when the wind blew hard enough.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is 
amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported.  
900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

cnHeat will help you to avoid the failed truck rolls and target the correct 
location at the start for your successful truck rolls.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of customers who 
you passed over because of a failed installation.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one recurring 
flight plan for the whole year.
On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat


We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  You could 
make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and burn way 
more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's that the 
driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.


On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in line. 
 Oh, and where’s my flying car?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs too. 
Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near 
the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny 
trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 
feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller than the house, 
and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind 
was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would 
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, 
until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little 
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM.  You could 
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and 
drop out when the wind blew hard enough.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is 
amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported.  
900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if 
>>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, 
>>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help 
>>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more 
>>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But 
>>> they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband 
>>> mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
>>> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
>>> hills and trees , 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

For 3 GHz nLOS / NLOS we plan to account for your trees and their movement.  
Great point.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near 
the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny 
trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 
feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller than the house, 
and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind 
was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would 
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, 
until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little 
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM.  You could 
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and 
drop out when the wind blew hard enough.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is 
amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported.  
900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if 
>>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, 
>>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help 
>>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more 
>>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But 
>>> they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband 
>>> mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
>>> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
>>> hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
>>> mega sites it could make sense.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF 
>>> [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf 
>>> Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> much much more than free
>>>
>>> but much much less input and much much much more output
>>>
>>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
>>> applied it to our real world.
>>>
>>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
>>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
>>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
>>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
>>> missed.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM 
>>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
>>>
>>> *From:*Steve Jones
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>>>
>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
>>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
>>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
>>> install. we would have walked away, btu 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

We support 5 GHz and 3 GHz.  We plan to support nLOS / NLOS in the very near 
future.  If you have cnHeat today with 3 GHz.  nLOS / NLOS come as a free 
feature when it arrives.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

What frequencies does it support?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never 
> know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, 
> lots of hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part 
> where they help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it.
> Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds 
> would be good too. But they're hard to keep watered.
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
> hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
> mega sites it could make sense.
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
> much much more than free
>
> but much much less input and much much much more output
>
> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
> applied it to our real world.
>
> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
> missed.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:
>
> What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
>
> *From:*Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
>
> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
> didnt grab it)
>
> there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
> bad long term.
>
> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to
> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half
> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come
> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450
> cbrs stuff
>
> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a
> picture and have a best location target, install survey times
> will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good
> spot, and on the probably best spot.
>
> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often.
> If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see
> where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the
> other two components are crazy perfect too
>
> like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and
> its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all
> familiar with that here.
>
> This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I
> can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and
> how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

This is a great idea.  We are planning to provide a way to do this in the not 
too distant future.  Stay tuned…

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Pay per successful install would be good.   Win-win.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 5:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you 
don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can 
see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best 
locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is 
always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep 
watered.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband 
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
I would love to give it a go.   But the pricing model of per site does not work 
for us.  We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 
currently.   I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

much much more than free
but much much less input and much much much more output
I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to 
our real world.
The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates 
zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent 
done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over 
the course of the customer we missed.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP 
stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no 
line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened 
to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually 
missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it)

there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term.

we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few 
months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited 
in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room 
for 450 cbrs stuff

your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a 
best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know 
youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot.

I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time 
id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And 
this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too

like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good 
as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here.

This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access 
points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that 
didnt need to be

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

Pricing in Chuck email.

For Hiawatha Broadband they were able to use cnHeat on main site to find a farm 
silo install and then hop over to uncovered town.

Perhaps just doing your mega sites can get you to more of your small sites.  If 
you have lots of sites, we will help you further on pricing.

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:50 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I would love to give it a go.   But the pricing model of per site does not work 
for us.  We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 
currently.   I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

much much more than free
but much much less input and much much much more output
I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to 
our real world.
The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates 
zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent 
done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over 
the course of the customer we missed.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP 
stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no 
line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened 
to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually 
missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it)

there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term.

we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few 
months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited 
in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room 
for 450 cbrs stuff

your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a 
best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know 
youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot.

I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time 
id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And 
this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too

like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good 
as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here.

This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access 
points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that 
didnt need to be

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

Thought I would answer cnHeat questions from this thread.

As low as $12.50 / month / site.  Less if pay up-front.  If you purchase a 
larger quantity of sites, we will speak privately and come in with a lower 
price.

If you want to try it out, two options:

  *   If you have recently purchased four Cambium APs, we will provide a site 
for FREE for a year.  You also will get up to 500 FREE addresses for covered 
homes that you can use to target market.
  *   If you have not purchased four Cambium APs, we will provide a demo site 
for free for a couple of weeks.

cnHeat tells you minimum height to install at every square meter.  Find the 
best place x, y, z to install on every property (unless need more than an 80’ 
pole).

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP 
stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no 
line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened 
to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually 
missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it)

there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term.

we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few 
months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited 
in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room 
for 450 cbrs stuff

your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a 
best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know 
youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot.

I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time 
id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And 
this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too

like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good 
as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here.

This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access 
points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that 
didnt need to be

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Steve Jones]

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 4:04 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:

> Here is a really good youtube demo of cnHeat, presented by a wisp
> operator, Joseph Glende of Hiawatha Broadband:
>
>
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnHeat/Joseph-Glende-of-Hiawatha-Broadband-Shares-How-cnHeat-Helping/td-p/116220
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:08 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> What data are they using to model the trees?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:22 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> In your land of deserts and plains overlooked by mountains you might not
> need to pay for CnHeat.
>
> In lands where trees grow CnHeat is free.  Paid for by the new customers
> and time saved.
>
> It's not a statistical Langley-Rice prediction like Radio Mobile.
> Obstructions are treated like an impenetrable wall, but they have 3D models
> of every damn tree and building.  Like Steve says, it can light up the
> exact spot on the house where the SM needs to go to get line of sight.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/24/2020 1:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP
> stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a
> no line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu
> happened to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal
> (we actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt
> grab it)
>
>
>
> there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long
> term.
>
>
>
> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last
> few months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be
> revisited in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320
> to make room for 450 cbrs stuff
>
>
>
> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have
> a best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll
> know youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot.
>
>
>
> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the
> time id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue
> options. And this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy
> perfect too
>
>
>
> like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as
> good as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here.
>
>
>
> This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my
> Access points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in
> NLOS that didnt need to be
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[John Seaman via AF]

Here is a really good youtube demo of cnHeat, presented by a wisp operator, 
Joseph Glende of Hiawatha Broadband:
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnHeat/Joseph-Glende-of-Hiawatha-Broadband-Shares-How-cnHeat-Helping/td-p/116220



From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:08 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

What data are they using to model the trees?

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat


In your land of deserts and plains overlooked by mountains you might not need 
to pay for CnHeat.

In lands where trees grow CnHeat is free.  Paid for by the new customers and 
time saved.

It's not a statistical Langley-Rice prediction like Radio Mobile.  Obstructions 
are treated like an impenetrable wall, but they have 3D models of every damn 
tree and building.  Like Steve says, it can light up the exact spot on the 
house where the SM needs to go to get line of sight.

-Adam




On 3/24/2020 1:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP 
stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no 
line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened 
to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually 
missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it)

there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term.

we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few 
months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited 
in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room 
for 450 cbrs stuff

your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a 
best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know 
youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot.

I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time 
id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And 
this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too

like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good 
as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here.

This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access 
points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that 
didnt need to be

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnHeat Promotion

[Dan Sullivan via AF]

Hi Matt,

This is per site.  You can put as many APs as you would like on a site.

Dan

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion

1 year subscription for how many APs?

On 11/5/19 2:44 PM, Ray Savich via AF wrote:
> For the first 100 WISPs in the USA: Purchase four 450m, 450i AP, or 
> ePMP
> 3000 now through December 20 and receive a 1year subscription to 
> cnHeat LOCATE and 500 cnHeat IDENTIFY addresses for free.
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomm
> unity.cambiumnetworks.com%2Ft5%2FcnHeat%2FcnHeat-IDENTIFY-Promotion-Fr
> ee-One-Year-Subscription-Free-500%2Ftd-p%2F110476data=02%7C01%7Cd
> aniel.sullivan%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C04430d8d21624c99f23f08d7622a44a
> 7%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C1%7C637085806012242352
> sdata=O%2By%2BGRTIioKViLjUYgG6wN17%2Bruz0LUZHLo4rKIGYnQ%3Dreserve
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> 
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