Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
You can check your voicemail? Do you think young people know that the voicemail icon is a tape? On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:41 PM Nate Burke wrote: > At least tell me you're not one of those people that keeps the default > 'the person at xxx-xxx- is unavailable' greeting. I hate those. I > Never know if I've actually reached the right person or not. Although > it seems that anymore about 80% of the people keep their cellphone > voicemail box maxed out and you can't leave messages anyway. > > On 12/11/2020 1:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive. I never receive a call > that is not on my contact list. The real ones will leave a vm. I like it > this way, courtesy of at > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> > >> I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's > Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon > flags as "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own > calls as spam. > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke > >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM > >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >> Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough > >> > >> So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when > they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers > complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably > Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI > driven world we live in. > >> > >> Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT > NOW > >> > >> But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers > get through to them. > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
That's what STIR/SHAKEN is all about (for the most part). bp On 12/11/2020 1:06 PM, Steve Jones wrote: why isnt there something similar to RDNS for phone calls? Calls can only originate from authorized sources to the number as I understand it. and something similar to SPF for allowed altered CIDs. On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:44 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: When someone is not in my contacts or Caller ID, I let it go to voicemail. If they don't leave a message, I mark it as spam, and never look back. I have on a few occasions marked spam for someone who's not in my contacts list (or Caller ID). Unfortunately for them if they are too shy (or whatever) to leave a voicemail. Confucius says: Leave voicemail, or get banned to spam. bp On 12/11/2020 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive. I never receive a call that is not on my contact list. The real ones will leave a vm. I like it this way, courtesy of at > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Nate Burke >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough >> >> So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in. >> >> Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW >> >> But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get through to them. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
At least tell me you're not one of those people that keeps the default 'the person at xxx-xxx- is unavailable' greeting. I hate those. I Never know if I've actually reached the right person or not. Although it seems that anymore about 80% of the people keep their cellphone voicemail box maxed out and you can't leave messages anyway. On 12/11/2020 1:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive. I never receive a call that is not on my contact list. The real ones will leave a vm. I like it this way, courtesy of at Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in. Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get through to them. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
why isnt there something similar to RDNS for phone calls? Calls can only originate from authorized sources to the number as I understand it. and something similar to SPF for allowed altered CIDs. On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:44 PM Bill Prince wrote: > When someone is not in my contacts or Caller ID, I let it go to > voicemail. If they don't leave a message, I mark it as spam, and never > look back. I have on a few occasions marked spam for someone who's not > in my contacts list (or Caller ID). Unfortunately for them if they are > too shy (or whatever) to leave a voicemail. > > Confucius says: Leave voicemail, or get banned to spam. > > > bp > > > On 12/11/2020 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive. I never receive a call > that is not on my contact list. The real ones will leave a vm. I like it > this way, courtesy of at > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> > >> I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's > Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon > flags as "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own > calls as spam. > >> > >> > >> -Original Message----- > >> From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke > >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM > >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >> Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough > >> > >> So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when > they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers > complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably > Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI > driven world we live in. > >> > >> Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT > NOW > >> > >> But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers > get through to them. > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
When someone is not in my contacts or Caller ID, I let it go to voicemail. If they don't leave a message, I mark it as spam, and never look back. I have on a few occasions marked spam for someone who's not in my contacts list (or Caller ID). Unfortunately for them if they are too shy (or whatever) to leave a voicemail. Confucius says: Leave voicemail, or get banned to spam. bp On 12/11/2020 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive. I never receive a call that is not on my contact list. The real ones will leave a vm. I like it this way, courtesy of at Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in. Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get through to them. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive. I never receive a call that is not on my contact list. The real ones will leave a vm. I like it this way, courtesy of at Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon > nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as > "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as > spam. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough > > So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they > send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining > that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they > call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in. > > Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW > > But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get > through to them. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
I see that T-Mobile provides a method to report a call was “not spam”, using a 3rd party called First Orion. Maybe Verizon and AT do something similar. https://callreporting.t-mobile.com/ I’m not sure any of the carriers have implemented STIR/SHAKEN yet. When that happens, it might be incumbent on the outgoing carrier to follow the protocols to validate the caller ID and prevent spoofing. But otherwise, the usual finger pointing would be at your customer (clean up your act you filthy spammer) or the called party’s carrier (fix your spam filter). With email spam, your mailserver IP could be on a blacklist. But with spam calls, there is no equivalent to a mailserver to blacklist, it would be the caller’s number that would be on a blacklist, or a belief that the caller ID was being spoofed. Most of the robocalls I get are from spoofed numbers either in my same areacode/prefix (neighbor spoofing) or the caller ID just comes up as a town. But often the caller ID will be an actual business that is being spoofed, either randomly, or sometimes I think on purpose they pick something like an AT phone store because it looks like a real call. So some robocaller could be spoofing his number and giving him a bad reputation. Supposedly part of the AI the phone companies use to determine spam calls is how many calls they are getting from that number, and how many are answered. Doing a quick Google search, I also found it interesting one telemarketing blog claimed it helps to send the customer an email ahead of time and include your phone number in the email. The claim is that phones search your email trying to display a name when they see that number calling. At first that sounded a bit far fetched, but actually I guess it’s not. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:38 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough this would be one where i would just tell them to only call people with legitimate providers. On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam. -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in. Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get through to them. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
this would be one where i would just tell them to only call people with legitimate providers. On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon > nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags > as "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls > as spam. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough > > So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when > they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers > complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably > Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI > driven world we live in. > > Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW > > But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get > through to them. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential Spam". In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in. Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get through to them. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they call peoples cell phones. Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in. Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get through to them. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
