Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[justsumname]

Govt is highly effective at incentivizing behavior and can be effective at
disincentivizing behavior.


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:19 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was involving
> conspiracy?
>
> IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't
> leaks data like a sieve"
>
> 1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the
> aliens?  "Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"
>
> On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants
> exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
> thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows
> how many people involved at each hospital.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
>
> There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be
> as awful as they can almost justify them to be.
>
> My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
> going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
> still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
> the people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
> it', too.
>
> Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead
> people, the better.
> --
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite
>> OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big
>> deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded
>> of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it
>> a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
>> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
>> just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age
>> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
>> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
>> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
>> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>> Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential
>> workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some
>> arguing young people should get it because they have more years ahead of
>> them, basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting
>> like idiots, maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus
>> doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
>> enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Grumble, grumble.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>>  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9%
>> positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a
>> majority of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and
>> partying.
>>
>> On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels
>> the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and
>> Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.
>>
>> Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but
>> 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Josh Luthman]

Did you read that?  It says that more cases of COVID19 get more funding.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:10 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I'm surprised to find you supporting my point.
>
> "The first round of grants will be distributed based on historical share
> Medicare revenue, not based on COVID-19 burden. Therefore, hard-hit states
> like New York will receive far less per COVID-19 case than most other
> states.
>
> HHS said it doled out the first slice of funding based on Medicare revenue
> to get support to hospitals as quickly as possible. The agency said
>  the next round of grants
> "will focus on providers in areas particularly impacted by the COVID-19
> outbreak," rural hospitals and other healthcare providers that receive much
> of their revenues from Medicaid."
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:03 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> >implying that there is some economic incentive to report more positive
>> cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not the case whatsoever.
>>
>>
>> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lewis, It seems that you are still implying that there is some economic
>>> incentive to report more positive cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not
>>> the case whatsoever.  That may not be your intent, but the structure of
>>> your sentence "I merely quesited about there being some misguided economic
>>> incentive, ..." vs something like " I merely quesited whether there may be
>>> some misguided economic incentive, ..." suggests that the incentive
>>> exists.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 
 WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am
 NOT trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to
 inflate, deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?

 I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
 Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that
 there is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there
 is misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about
 there being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
 intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
 report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
 place.

 Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.

 If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother
 is fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't
 care anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
 
 Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[James Howard]

An Iphone9?  Are you saying aliens only communicate with Apple devices?

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Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 3:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I make sure all my aliens have an I-9

From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was involving 
conspiracy?

IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't leaks 
data like a sieve"

1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the aliens?  
"Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"
On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants exceed 5 
or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6 thousand 
hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows how many 
people involved at each hospital.



bp




On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be as 
awful as they can almost justify them to be.

My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps going 
up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he still 
count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about the 
people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got it', too.

Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead people, 
the better.
--


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite OK 
with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big deal go 
ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded of my 
observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it a lot 
better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.

On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school reopening 
in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is just social 
media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age the peer pressure 
to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over the place, we have an 
experiment going on and may not like the results.  Maybe we will discover that 
teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far, magical thinking hasn’t worked 
out so good.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

But there should be a E ticket for the special people...

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?


I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential workers, 
then people in assisted care and prisons.

bp




On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some arguing 
young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them, 
basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like idiots, 
maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get 
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have enjoyed their short 
lives, with all the partying.

Grumble, grumble.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9% positive 
yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a majority of new 
cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and partying.
On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels the only 
numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and Deaths/infections.  The 
total numbers don't mean anything.

Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 4.6% 
positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think some of the 
'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.

On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I think the most important chart is deaths per population


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

People get stuck on a story. I do the same. There was a time when we didn't
have enough testing when health officials were telling you to not get
tested unless you were symptomatic. Most places now have plenty of capacity
so really, we should all just go get tested.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:05 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> This could be part of it.
>
> PDF of AP story attached.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/4/2020 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

The only fallacy with that is again, if you want more of
something subsidize it. I believe at $2k a week you are giving people an
incentive to commit fraud. If you pay the tester for testing only, there is
no incentive other than to actually perform a test instead of just claiming
they did (which is what I think the mostly likely explanation for what I
described). So to be clear, if you go the paperwork on someone and have all
the info you need to get paid, other than the little thing of actually
having the person there to perform the test on, you have an economic
incentive to say you processed the test. And of course if you are going to
make something up, say they are positive since they might have to come back
and get tested again to make sure depending on the type of test you
performed initially.

Anyway Carl, My sense of economics tells me that if you pay people who
perform testing more if the test is positive than negative and if you pay
people a lot more if they do test positive, you will definitely have a lot
more positive results, some of which are going to be fraudulent. No idea
how many. In some places that would be zero. In some, it would be a large
number. Statistics would eventually weed that out after the fact. By then,
the horse is already out of the barn and the money's gone. I pay a lot of
taxes so I actually care where that money goes. Some may not.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:33 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> IMHO there should be economic incentive to identify and isolate as many
> cases as possible.  There should also be economic incentives for people who
> test positive to isolate.  eg if you test positive, do contact tracing and
> isolate at home for two weeks you get paid 2K a week to do it and your
> employer has to give you the time off (paid or unpaid at their
> discretion).  Of course there will be people that work the system but in
> the big picture who cares?  Especially at the individual level.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I wish it was funny but it doesn't matter how they dole out the money.
>> Several tons of it will be wasted and go somewhere it isn't needed. It is
>> just the nature of anything large be it government, business, or NGO.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

IMHO there should be economic incentive to identify and isolate as many
cases as possible.  There should also be economic incentives for people who
test positive to isolate.  eg if you test positive, do contact tracing and
isolate at home for two weeks you get paid 2K a week to do it and your
employer has to give you the time off (paid or unpaid at their
discretion).  Of course there will be people that work the system but in
the big picture who cares?  Especially at the individual level.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I wish it was funny but it doesn't matter how they dole out the money.
> Several tons of it will be wasted and go somewhere it isn't needed. It is
> just the nature of anything large be it government, business, or NGO.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

I wish it was funny but it doesn't matter how they dole out the money.
Several tons of it will be wasted and go somewhere it isn't needed. It is
just the nature of anything large be it government, business, or NGO.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:10 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I'm surprised to find you supporting my point.
>
> "The first round of grants will be distributed based on historical share
> Medicare revenue, not based on COVID-19 burden. Therefore, hard-hit states
> like New York will receive far less per COVID-19 case than most other
> states.
>
> HHS said it doled out the first slice of funding based on Medicare revenue
> to get support to hospitals as quickly as possible. The agency said
>  the next round of grants
> "will focus on providers in areas particularly impacted by the COVID-19
> outbreak," rural hospitals and other healthcare providers that receive much
> of their revenues from Medicaid."
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:03 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> >implying that there is some economic incentive to report more positive
>> cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not the case whatsoever.
>>
>>
>> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lewis, It seems that you are still implying that there is some economic
>>> incentive to report more positive cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not
>>> the case whatsoever.  That may not be your intent, but the structure of
>>> your sentence "I merely quesited about there being some misguided economic
>>> incentive, ..." vs something like " I merely quesited whether there may be
>>> some misguided economic incentive, ..." suggests that the incentive
>>> exists.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 
 WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am
 NOT trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to
 inflate, deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?

 I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
 Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that
 there is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there
 is misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about
 there being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
 intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
 report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
 place.

 Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.

 If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother
 is fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't
 care anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
 
 Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

I didn't suggest an economic incentive existed. As you correctly quoted me,
I asked if there was one. Asking if there is a god does not proclaim that
God exists. It does ask a question to ponder if there is one, and suggests
the possibility of a god.

I didn't proclaim there is an incentive. I was searching for a reasoned
explanation for what I saw. I don't know what you are searching for other
than defending some viewpoint. I am not attacking your view, whatever that
might be, of a COVID number or whatever else you are defending.
Again, whatever. I don't even care about what you, or Chuck, or Jaime think
about COVID. I like them alot, but I just don't care about COVID anymore.
Maybe it still cares about me. What I do care about is someone claiming I
am pushing a conspiracy theory.

The extent of what I said was to suggest a reasonable explanation for a
fact. I could be wrong. I don't think I said "I know there is some
incentive" I posed the question. Are we too fragile to be exposed to
questions?

Lastly, I guess you are an English teacher. I am an accountant by training.
I like to find the economic driver which I believe lies behind most
decisions. I didn't say all, but most. Since I don't have a PHD in English
I won't debate if your method to get my point across is more clear. Seems
pretty similar to me.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:01 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Lewis, It seems that you are still implying that there is some economic
> incentive to report more positive cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not
> the case whatsoever.  That may not be your intent, but the structure of
> your sentence "I merely quesited about there being some misguided economic
> incentive, ..." vs something like " I merely quesited whether there may be
> some misguided economic incentive, ..." suggests that the incentive
> exists.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am
>> NOT trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to
>> inflate, deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?
>>
>> I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
>> Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that there
>> is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there is
>> misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about there
>> being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
>> intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
>> report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
>> place.
>>
>> Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.
>>
>> If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother
>> is fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't
>> care anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
>> 
>> Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

Josh,

I'm surprised to find you supporting my point.

"The first round of grants will be distributed based on historical share
Medicare revenue, not based on COVID-19 burden. Therefore, hard-hit states
like New York will receive far less per COVID-19 case than most other
states.

HHS said it doled out the first slice of funding based on Medicare revenue
to get support to hospitals as quickly as possible. The agency said
 the next round of grants
"will focus on providers in areas particularly impacted by the COVID-19
outbreak," rural hospitals and other healthcare providers that receive much
of their revenues from Medicaid."

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:03 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> >implying that there is some economic incentive to report more positive
> cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not the case whatsoever.
>
>
> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Lewis, It seems that you are still implying that there is some economic
>> incentive to report more positive cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not
>> the case whatsoever.  That may not be your intent, but the structure of
>> your sentence "I merely quesited about there being some misguided economic
>> incentive, ..." vs something like " I merely quesited whether there may be
>> some misguided economic incentive, ..." suggests that the incentive
>> exists.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am
>>> NOT trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to
>>> inflate, deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?
>>>
>>> I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
>>> Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that
>>> there is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there
>>> is misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about
>>> there being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
>>> intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
>>> report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.
>>>
>>> If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother
>>> is fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't
>>> care anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
>>> 
>>> Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Josh Luthman]

>implying that there is some economic incentive to report more positive
cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not the case whatsoever.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html

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On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Lewis, It seems that you are still implying that there is some economic
> incentive to report more positive cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not
> the case whatsoever.  That may not be your intent, but the structure of
> your sentence "I merely quesited about there being some misguided economic
> incentive, ..." vs something like " I merely quesited whether there may be
> some misguided economic incentive, ..." suggests that the incentive
> exists.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am
>> NOT trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to
>> inflate, deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?
>>
>> I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
>> Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that there
>> is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there is
>> misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about there
>> being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
>> intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
>> report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
>> place.
>>
>> Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.
>>
>> If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother
>> is fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't
>> care anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
>> 
>> Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

Lewis, It seems that you are still implying that there is some economic
incentive to report more positive cases.  As far as I can tell, this is not
the case whatsoever.  That may not be your intent, but the structure of
your sentence "I merely quesited about there being some misguided economic
incentive, ..." vs something like " I merely quesited whether there may be
some misguided economic incentive, ..." suggests that the incentive
exists.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> 
> WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am
> NOT trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to
> inflate, deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?
>
> I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
> Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that there
> is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there is
> misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about there
> being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
> intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
> report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
> place.
>
> Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.
>
> If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother is
> fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't care
> anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
> 
> Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am NOT
trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to inflate,
deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?

I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that there
is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there is
misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about there
being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
place.

Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.

If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother is
fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't care
anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.

Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:26 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> So, I went digging for a reason behind the positives for people who didn't
> actually succeed in getting tested.
>
> One thing I found is that it sounds like some of these testing sites are
> not being run in a very intelligent manner.The brokenness you described
> (where 3 people who got out of line got calls about a positive result), may
> be a result of some sites which apparently took the personal information
> when people got in line, and then assumed that everyone stayed in line.
>  So if one person gets out of line, then the people behind them don't get
> their own test results, they get the results of the people behind them, and
> the person who got out of line gets a test result even though they weren't
> tested.   Apparently this has happened in at least one location but
> hopefully isn't all that common as this is a pretty stupid thing to do.
>
> There are also people who are getting calls from scammers who are trying
> to convince people they are positive for some scammy purpose.   With so
> many tests being administered, it's probably a pretty high chance that a
> scammer will successfully reach people who have had a recent COVID test.
>  And with tests taking a week or more for results, the window is fairly
> wide.
>
> I don't doubt at all that people are getting the wrong results, false
> positives, false negatives, and so on.   I also don't doubt that some
> misguided localities are deciding to report things in non-straightforward
> ways which make the stats better for whatever reasons.   My favorite is the
> states who have decided to report based on 'date of symptom onset', so you
> never see the number of new positive cases on a given date, they just
> silently update the numbers over the last 2 weeks as people get tested, and
> the graphs always look like the numbers are going down since not all of the
> recent cases are discovered yet.
>
> Like anything though, there seem to be quite a few conspiracy theorists
> out there who are convinced that all the numbers are being faked, including
> hospitalizations and deaths.  Yes, it is certain that the numbers aren't
> 100% correct, and I'm sure there will be lots of examples where people
> don't feel a given case was recorded properly, but I just can't see it
> being a widespread conspiracy being driven by whoever the theorist's
> favorite bogeyman is.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:31 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy. Although I will say if
>> you want more of something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you
>> tax it. All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity, public or
>> private, to falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless there was some financial
>> incentive for doing so. Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence.
>>
>> Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making, which to some, can
>> seem like a conspiracy, but in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions
>> working down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit at
>> Wal-Mart for $2 less than somewhere else.
>>
>> Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is the only
>> actual verifiable inconsistency I have seen.
>>
>> In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals on that
>> little island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while slowing it might be a
>> good idea, it lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't prevent
>> the inevitable.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I make sure all my aliens have an I-9
>>>
>>> *From:* Nate Burke
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Mike Hammett]

One of the things that the federal government and international community 
should have been focused on is defining testing and reporting procedures to 
ensure data integrity, completeness, and the ability to track and compare 
across jurisdictions. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:25:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news? 


So, I went digging for a reason behind the positives for people who didn't 
actually succeed in getting tested. 


One thing I found is that it sounds like some of these testing sites are not 
being run in a very intelligent manner. The brokenness you described (where 3 
people who got out of line got calls about a positive result), may be a result 
of some sites which apparently took the personal information when people got in 
line, and then assumed that everyone stayed in line. So if one person gets out 
of line, then the people behind them don't get their own test results, they get 
the results of the people behind them, and the person who got out of line gets 
a test result even though they weren't tested. Apparently this has happened in 
at least one location but hopefully isn't all that common as this is a pretty 
stupid thing to do. 


There are also people who are getting calls from scammers who are trying to 
convince people they are positive for some scammy purpose. With so many tests 
being administered, it's probably a pretty high chance that a scammer will 
successfully reach people who have had a recent COVID test. And with tests 
taking a week or more for results, the window is fairly wide. 


I don't doubt at all that people are getting the wrong results, false 
positives, false negatives, and so on. I also don't doubt that some misguided 
localities are deciding to report things in non-straightforward ways which make 
the stats better for whatever reasons. My favorite is the states who have 
decided to report based on 'date of symptom onset', so you never see the number 
of new positive cases on a given date, they just silently update the numbers 
over the last 2 weeks as people get tested, and the graphs always look like the 
numbers are going down since not all of the recent cases are discovered yet. 


Like anything though, there seem to be quite a few conspiracy theorists out 
there who are convinced that all the numbers are being faked, including 
hospitalizations and deaths. Yes, it is certain that the numbers aren't 100% 
correct, and I'm sure there will be lots of examples where people don't feel a 
given case was recorded properly, but I just can't see it being a widespread 
conspiracy being driven by whoever the theorist's favorite bogeyman is. 


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:31 PM Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: 



To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy. Although I will say if you 
want more of something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you tax it. 
All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity, public or private, to 
falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless there was some financial incentive for doing 
so. Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence. 


Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making, which to some, can seem 
like a conspiracy, but in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions working 
down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit at Wal-Mart for $2 
less than somewhere else. 


Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is the only actual 
verifiable inconsistency I have seen. 


In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals on that little 
island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while slowing it might be a good idea, 
it lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't prevent the inevitable. 



On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I make sure all my aliens have an I-9 




From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news? 

I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was involving 
conspiracy? 

IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't leaks 
data like a sieve" 

1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the aliens? 
"Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years" 


On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 



Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants exceed 5 
or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6 thousand 
hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows how many 
people involved at each hospital. 
bp
 
On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote: 



There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be as 
awful 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

So, I went digging for a reason behind the positives for people who didn't
actually succeed in getting tested.

One thing I found is that it sounds like some of these testing sites are
not being run in a very intelligent manner.The brokenness you described
(where 3 people who got out of line got calls about a positive result), may
be a result of some sites which apparently took the personal information
when people got in line, and then assumed that everyone stayed in line.
 So if one person gets out of line, then the people behind them don't get
their own test results, they get the results of the people behind them, and
the person who got out of line gets a test result even though they weren't
tested.   Apparently this has happened in at least one location but
hopefully isn't all that common as this is a pretty stupid thing to do.

There are also people who are getting calls from scammers who are trying to
convince people they are positive for some scammy purpose.   With so many
tests being administered, it's probably a pretty high chance that a scammer
will successfully reach people who have had a recent COVID test.   And with
tests taking a week or more for results, the window is fairly wide.

I don't doubt at all that people are getting the wrong results, false
positives, false negatives, and so on.   I also don't doubt that some
misguided localities are deciding to report things in non-straightforward
ways which make the stats better for whatever reasons.   My favorite is the
states who have decided to report based on 'date of symptom onset', so you
never see the number of new positive cases on a given date, they just
silently update the numbers over the last 2 weeks as people get tested, and
the graphs always look like the numbers are going down since not all of the
recent cases are discovered yet.

Like anything though, there seem to be quite a few conspiracy theorists out
there who are convinced that all the numbers are being faked, including
hospitalizations and deaths.  Yes, it is certain that the numbers aren't
100% correct, and I'm sure there will be lots of examples where people
don't feel a given case was recorded properly, but I just can't see it
being a widespread conspiracy being driven by whoever the theorist's
favorite bogeyman is.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:31 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy. Although I will say if
> you want more of something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you
> tax it. All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity, public or
> private, to falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless there was some financial
> incentive for doing so. Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence.
>
> Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making, which to some, can
> seem like a conspiracy, but in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions
> working down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit at
> Wal-Mart for $2 less than somewhere else.
>
> Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is the only
> actual verifiable inconsistency I have seen.
>
> In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals on that little
> island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while slowing it might be a good
> idea, it lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't prevent the
> inevitable.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM  wrote:
>
>> I make sure all my aliens have an I-9
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>> I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was
>> involving conspiracy?
>>
>> IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't
>> leaks data like a sieve"
>>
>> 1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the
>> aliens?  "Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants
>> exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
>> thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows
>> how many people involved at each hospital.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
>>
>> There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to
>> be as awful as they can almost justify them to be.
>>
>> My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
>> going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
>> still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
>> th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

VietNam did have a very low rate. In the last couple of weeks they have had
a couple of clusters pop up but seem to be very on top of things there.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I thought I saw something about Vietnam having a very low number of cases
> (a Few hundred IIRC), and almost no deaths.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/5/2020 1:30 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy. Although I will say if
> you want more of something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you
> tax it. All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity, public or
> private, to falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless there was some financial
> incentive for doing so. Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence.
>
> Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making, which to some, can
> seem like a conspiracy, but in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions
> working down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit at
> Wal-Mart for $2 less than somewhere else.
>
> Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is the only
> actual verifiable inconsistency I have seen.
>
> In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals on that little
> island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while slowing it might be a good
> idea, it lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't prevent the
> inevitable.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM  wrote:
>
>> I make sure all my aliens have an I-9
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>> I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was
>> involving conspiracy?
>>
>> IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't
>> leaks data like a sieve"
>>
>> 1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the
>> aliens?  "Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants
>> exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
>> thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows
>> how many people involved at each hospital.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
>>
>> There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to
>> be as awful as they can almost justify them to be.
>>
>> My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
>> going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
>> still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
>> the people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
>> it', too.
>>
>> Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead
>> people, the better.
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite
>>> OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big
>>> deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded
>>> of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it
>>> a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
>>> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
>>> just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age
>>> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
>>> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
>>> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
>>> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
As Mr. Williamson in 6th grade used to say. "You're gonna get
  it!"


bp



On 8/5/2020 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I plan on not getting it but getting the vaccine
instead.  Of course technically that is “getting it”.  
  

   
  
From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  

 
  
  
To be clear, I was saying there was a
  conspiracy. Although I will say if you want more of
  something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you
  tax it. All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity,
  public or private, to falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless
  there was some financial incentive for doing so. Although
  anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence.
   
  Again, economic policy can drive mass decision
making, which to some, can seem like a conspiracy, but
in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions working
down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit
at Wal-Mart for $2 less than somewhere else.
   
  Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers
and is the only actual verifiable inconsistency I have
seen.
   
  In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those
cannibals on that little island of NZ, are going to get
COVID so while slowing it might be a good idea, it
lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't
prevent the inevitable. 

 

  On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at
3:23 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  I make sure all my aliens have an I-9
  

   
  
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020
  2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good
  news?
  

 
  
  I thought the only time Government was
competent was when it was involving conspiracy? 


IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data
is in the wild, "Gov't leaks data like a sieve"

1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a
single picture of the aliens?  "Gov't has been
covering it up for 60 years"  

On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


  Conspiracy theories lose credibility when
the number of participants exceed 5 or 10
people. You're talking about a conspiracy
involving 5 or 6 thousand hospitals in 50
states (plus all the territories), with who
knows how many people involved at each
hospital.
   
  bp



  On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
  
  
There is plenty of financial
  and political incentive for the numbers to
  be as awful as they can almost justify
  them to be.
   
  My governor publishes a report every
day.   The number in my county keeps
going up, never down.   So the same guy
who got it early and died, does he still
count?   How about the ones who got it
and 'recovered' ?   What about the
people who tested only for the
antibody?   I guess they count as 'got

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

I plan on not getting it but getting the vaccine instead.  Of course 
technically that is “getting it”.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy. Although I will say if you 
want more of something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you tax it. 
All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity, public or private, to 
falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless there was some financial incentive for doing 
so. Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence. 

Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making, which to some, can seem 
like a conspiracy, but in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions working 
down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit at Wal-Mart for $2 
less than somewhere else.

Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is the only actual 
verifiable inconsistency I have seen.

In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals on that little 
island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while slowing it might be a good idea, 
it lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't prevent the inevitable. 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM  wrote:

  I make sure all my aliens have an I-9

  From: Nate Burke 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

  I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was involving 
conspiracy?  

  IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't leaks 
data like a sieve"

  1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the 
aliens?  "Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"  


  On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants exceed 
5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6 thousand 
hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows how many 
people involved at each hospital.



bp


On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:

  There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to 
be as awful as they can almost justify them to be. 

  My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps 
going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he 
still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about the 
people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got it', too.

  Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead 
people, the better.
  --


  On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem 
quite OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big 
deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded of 
my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it a lot 
better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.



On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school 
reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is 
just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age the 
peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over the 
place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.  Maybe we 
will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far, magical 
thinking hasn’t worked out so good.





From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



But there should be a E ticket for the special people...



From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential 
workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.

bp On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some 
arguing young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them, 
basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like idiots, 
maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get 
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have enjoyed their short 
lives, with all the partying.



  Grumble, grumble.





  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



  Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I thought I saw something about Vietnam having a very low number
  of cases (a Few hundred IIRC), and almost no deaths.


bp



On 8/5/2020 1:30 PM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy.
Although I will say if you want more of something, you subsidize
it, and less of something, you tax it. All I was saying is I saw
no reason for an entity, public or private, to falsify 3 out of
3 tests unless there was some financial incentive for doing so.
Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence.


Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making,
  which to some, can seem like a conspiracy, but in actuality is
  just macroeconomic decisions working down to the micro level.
  The same reason people buy shit at Wal-Mart for $2 less than
  somewhere else.


Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is
  the only actual verifiable inconsistency I have seen.


In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals
  on that little island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while
  slowing it might be a good idea, it lengthens the time we stay
  in this rut and doesn't prevent the inevitable. 
  
  
  
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM
  <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  wrote:


  

  
I make sure all my aliens have an I-9

  
 

  From: Nate Burke 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17
PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave
  Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

  
   

I
  thought the only time Government was competent was
  when it was involving conspiracy?  
  
  IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in
  the wild, "Gov't leaks data like a sieve"
  
  1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a
  single picture of the aliens?  "Gov't has been
  covering it up for 60 years"  
  
  On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
  
  
Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the
  number of participants exceed 5 or 10 people.
  You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
  thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the
  territories), with who knows how many people
  involved at each hospital.
 
bp



On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:


  There is plenty of financial and
political incentive for the numbers to be as
awful as they can almost justify them to be.
 
My governor publishes a report every day.  
  The number in my county keeps going up, never
  down.   So the same guy who got it early and
  died, does he still count?   How about the
  ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
  the people who tested only for the antibody?  
  I guess they count as 'got it', too.
 
Anything goes, no honesty or transparency
  required.   And the more dead people, the
  better.
--
 
  
   
  
On Wed, Aug 5,
  2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
  wrote:


  

  I see young
  kids in places like stores wearing
  masks and they seem quite OK with it,
  like having a backpack or a hat, this
  is what we do, no big deal go ahead
  and play or shop or whatever we are
  here for.  I am reminded of my
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy. Although I will say if
you want more of something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you
tax it. All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity, public or
private, to falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless there was some financial
incentive for doing so. Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence.

Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making, which to some, can
seem like a conspiracy, but in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions
working down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit at
Wal-Mart for $2 less than somewhere else.

Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is the only actual
verifiable inconsistency I have seen.

In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals on that little
island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while slowing it might be a good
idea, it lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't prevent the
inevitable.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM  wrote:

> I make sure all my aliens have an I-9
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
> I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was involving
> conspiracy?
>
> IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't
> leaks data like a sieve"
>
> 1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the
> aliens?  "Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"
>
> On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants
> exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
> thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows
> how many people involved at each hospital.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
>
> There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be
> as awful as they can almost justify them to be.
>
> My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
> going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
> still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
> the people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
> it', too.
>
> Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead
> people, the better.
> --
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite
>> OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big
>> deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded
>> of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it
>> a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
>> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
>> just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age
>> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
>> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
>> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
>> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential
>> workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some
>> arguing young people should get it because they have more years ahead of
>> them, basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting
>> like idiots, maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus
>> doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
>> enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Grumble, grumble.
>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

I make sure all my aliens have an I-9

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was involving 
conspiracy?  

IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't leaks 
data like a sieve"

1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the aliens?  
"Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"  


On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants exceed 5 
or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6 thousand 
hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows how many 
people involved at each hospital.



bp


On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:

There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be 
as awful as they can almost justify them to be. 

My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps 
going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he 
still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about the 
people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got it', too.

Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead 
people, the better.
--


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite 
OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big deal go 
ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded of my 
observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it a lot 
better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.



  On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school 
reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is 
just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age the 
peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over the 
place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.  Maybe we 
will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far, magical 
thinking hasn’t worked out so good.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



  But there should be a E ticket for the special people...



  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



  I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential 
workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.

bp On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some 
arguing young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them, 
basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like idiots, 
maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get 
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have enjoyed their short 
lives, with all the partying.



Grumble, grumble.





From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9% 
positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a majority 
of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and partying.  

On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

  When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he 
feels the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and 
Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.  

  Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, 
but 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think 
some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.  




  On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.  



From: Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



I think the most important chart is deaths per population 



Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


 
  
  
  
  
  
 
 


www.aeronetp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Nate Burke]

I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was 
involving conspiracy?


IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't 
leaks data like a sieve"


1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the 
aliens?  "Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"


On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants 
exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 
or 6 thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with 
who knows how many people involved at each hospital.



bp


On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers 
to be as awful as they can almost justify them to be.


My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county 
keeps going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and 
died, does he still count?   How about the ones who got it and 
'recovered' ?   What about the people who tested only for the 
antibody?   I guess they count as 'got it', too.


Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more 
dead people, the better.

--


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they
seem quite OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is
what we do, no big deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we
are here for.  I am reminded of my observation that people who
need glasses from a young age tolerate it a lot better than those
of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.

On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high
school reopening in states like Georgia that are quite
frightening, I hope this is just social media taking things out
of context.  I understand at that age the peer pressure to not be
uncool, but if this is really going on all over the place, we
have an experiment going on and may not like the results.  Maybe
we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so
far, magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

But there should be a E ticket for the special people...

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then
essential workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.

bp



  


On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first,
some arguing young people should get it because they have
more years ahead of them, basically let the old people die. 
But if young people keep acting like idiots, maybe they don’t

have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.

Grumble, grumble.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Nate
Burke
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive
to 3.9% positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news. 
But reports are a majority of new cases are from college age

kids coming back to campuses and partying.

On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said
that he feels the only numbers worth looking at are % of
positive tests, and Deaths/infections.  The total numbers
don't mean anything.

Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the
last week, but 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8%
positive a month ago.  I think some of the 'bad' states
are upwards of 10% positive.


On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has
flattened.

*From:*Gino A. Villarini

*Sent:*Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I think the most important chart is deaths per
population

*GinoVillarini **
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[justsumname]

The CARES Act provides financial incentive.   Everything I said is factual,
public information.   Bergman asked about an incentive.   The Answer is Yes.

I had no idea I would feel this great just by eating better.
--

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants
> exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
> thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows
> how many people involved at each hospital.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
>
> There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be
> as awful as they can almost justify them to be.
>
> My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
> going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
> still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
> the people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
> it', too.
>
> Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead
> people, the better.
> --
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite
>> OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big
>> deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded
>> of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it
>> a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
>> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
>> just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age
>> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
>> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
>> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
>> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential
>> workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some
>> arguing young people should get it because they have more years ahead of
>> them, basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting
>> like idiots, maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus
>> doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
>> enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Grumble, grumble.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9%
>> positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a
>> majority of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and
>> partying.
>>
>> On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels
>> the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and
>> Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.
>>
>> Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but
>> 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think
>> some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of
  participants exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a
  conspiracy involving 5 or 6 thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus
  all the territories), with who knows how many people involved at
  each hospital.


bp



On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname
  wrote:


  
  There is plenty of financial and political
incentive for the numbers to be as awful as they can almost
justify them to be.


My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in
  my county keeps going up, never down.   So the same guy who
  got it early and died, does he still count?   How about the
  ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about the people who
  tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
  it', too.


Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And
  the more dead people, the better.
--


  
  
  
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05
  PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


  

  I see
  young kids in places like stores wearing masks and
  they seem quite OK with it, like having a backpack or
  a hat, this is what we do, no big deal go ahead and
  play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am
  reminded of my observation that people who need
  glasses from a young age tolerate it a lot better than
  those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
   
  On the
  other hand, there are some photos circulating of high
  school reopening in states like Georgia that are quite
  frightening, I hope this is just social media taking
  things out of context.  I understand at that age the
  peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really
  going on all over the place, we have an experiment
  going on and may not like the results.  Maybe we will
  discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but
  so far, magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
   
   
  

  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

  
   
  

  
But
there should be a E ticket for the special
people...
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From: Bill Prince 


  Sent: Wednesday, August
  5, 2020 9:19 AM


  To: af@af.afmug.com



  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
      Good news?

  


   

  
  
I say
treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first,
then essential workers, then people in assisted
care and prisons.
bp

 

  On
  8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  I see these articles
  debating who should get a vaccine first, some
  arguing young people should get it because
  they have more years ahead of them, basically
  let the old people die.  But if young people
  keep acting like idiots, maybe they don’t have
  that many years after all.  If the virus
  doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt
  will.  Plus they will have enjoyed their short
  lives, with all the partying.
   
  Grum

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDDAYxoFNWs

From: justsumname 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be as 
awful as they can almost justify them to be. 

My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps going 
up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he still 
count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about the 
people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got it', too.

Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead people, 
the better.
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite OK 
with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big deal go 
ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded of my 
observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it a lot 
better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.



  On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school reopening 
in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is just social 
media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age the peer pressure 
to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over the place, we have an 
experiment going on and may not like the results.  Maybe we will discover that 
teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far, magical thinking hasn’t worked 
out so good.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



  But there should be a E ticket for the special people...



  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



  I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential workers, 
then people in assisted care and prisons.

bp On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some arguing 
young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them, 
basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like idiots, 
maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get 
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have enjoyed their short 
lives, with all the partying.



Grumble, grumble.





From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9% 
positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a majority 
of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and partying.  

On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

  When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels 
the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and 
Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.  

  Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 
4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think some of 
the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.  




  On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.  



From: Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?



I think the most important chart is deaths per population 



Gino Villarini 
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t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


 
  
  
  
  
  
  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[justsumname]

There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be
as awful as they can almost justify them to be.

My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
the people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
it', too.

Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead
people, the better.
--


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite
> OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big
> deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded
> of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it
> a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
> just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age
> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential
> workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some arguing
> young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them,
> basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like
> idiots, maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus
> doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
> enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
>
>
>
> Grumble, grumble.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9%
> positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a
> majority of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and
> partying.
>
> On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels the
> only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and
> Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.
>
> Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but
> 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think
> some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.
>
>
> On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> I think the most important chart is deaths per population
>
>
>
> *Gino* *Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Ken Hohhof]

I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite OK 
with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big deal go 
ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded of my 
observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it a lot 
better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.

 

On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school reopening 
in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is just social 
media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age the peer pressure 
to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over the place, we have an 
experiment going on and may not like the results.  Maybe we will discover that 
teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far, magical thinking hasn’t worked 
out so good.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

But there should be a E ticket for the special people...

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential workers, 
then people in assisted care and prisons.

bp

 

On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some arguing 
young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them, 
basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like idiots, 
maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get 
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have enjoyed their short 
lives, with all the partying.

 

Grumble, grumble.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9% positive 
yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a majority of new 
cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and partying.  

On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels the only 
numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and Deaths/infections.  The 
total numbers don't mean anything.  

Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 4.6% 
positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think some of the 
'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.  




On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.  

 

From: Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

I think the most important chart is deaths per population 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM
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Subject: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

But there should be a E ticket for the special people...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential workers, 
then people in assisted care and prisons.


bp


On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some arguing 
young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them, 
basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like idiots, 
maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get 
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have enjoyed their short 
lives, with all the partying.

   

  Grumble, grumble.

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

   

  Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9% 
positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a majority 
of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and partying.  

  On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels the 
only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and Deaths/infections.  
The total numbers don't mean anything.  

Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 4.6% 
positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think some of the 
'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.  



On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.  

   

  From: Gino A. Villarini 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

   

  I think the most important chart is deaths per population 

   

  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


   





   
   


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  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
  Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
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  Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then
  essential workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.

bp



On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I see these
articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some
arguing young people should get it because they have more
years ahead of them, basically let the old people die.  But
if young people keep acting like idiots, maybe they don’t
have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
 
Grumble,
grumble.
 
 

  
From: AF
 On Behalf Of Nate
Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  

 
Illinois 7 day
  positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9%
  positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports
  are a majority of new cases are from college age kids coming
  back to campuses and partying.  

  On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


  When I was
seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels
the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests,
and Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean
anything.  

Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last
week, but 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive
a month ago.  I think some of the 'bad' states are upwards
of 10% positive.  


  
On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  
  

  

  Yeahbut
  it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened. 
  


  

   


  
From: Gino
A. Villarini 
  
  
Sent:
Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] OT Good news?
  

  
  
 
  


  I think the most important chart
is deaths per population 
   
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  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
  

  

  


  


   


   


   


   


   



  

  
  
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From: AF 
on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 10:57
AM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  
  
 
  
  

  
Not wanting to jinx
this but it looks

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Ken Hohhof]

I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some arguing 
young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them, 
basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like idiots, 
maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus doesn’t get 
them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have enjoyed their short 
lives, with all the partying.

 

Grumble, grumble.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9% positive 
yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a majority of new 
cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and partying.  

On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels the only 
numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and Deaths/infections.  The 
total numbers don't mean anything.  

Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 4.6% 
positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think some of the 
'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.  



On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.  

 

From: Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

I think the most important chart is deaths per population 

 

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Nate Burke]

Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9% 
positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a 
majority of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses 
and partying.


On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels 
the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and 
Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.


Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 
4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I 
think some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.



On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I think the most important chart is deaths per population

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

Be a bit more interesting if they also applied ranked choice voting to it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 3:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

A few years ago California instituted a "top 2" primary system, where all 
candidates from all parties were thrown into a single primary. The top-two vote 
getters (regardless of party) would go on to the regular election. The theory 
was that the left/right extremes would move closer to center. That has happened 
somewhat, but I think it would have been better with a "top 3".



bp


On 8/4/2020 1:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  A marketing course once taught me that if there were two hot dog stands on a 
crowded beach* they would be right next to each other in the middle.  Whereas 
the public would be best served if they were spaced at the 1/3 and 2/3 points 
to minimize the distance anyone would have to walk to get a hot dog.

   

  In politics, however, the hot dog stands would be at the far ends of the 
beach, with none in the middle.  Maybe a result of the 2 party system and any 
moderate candidate getting “primaried”.

   

  * crowded beach = a historical reference from the before times

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:43 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

   

  I deeply resemble that comment,

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On Aug 4, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

 

It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 

 

bp On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left 
morons and a group of right morons.



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  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

  What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron 
over an expert trained on this.. 

  Unbelievable

   

  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while 
it looks like new cases are starting to go down.  

Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.  
Testing rates are continuing to rise.  

 

Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on 
and are wearing their masks now.  

 

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  The virus doesn't care about statistics.

   

  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:

Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
A few years ago California instituted a "top 2" primary system,
  where all candidates from all parties were thrown into a single
  primary. The top-two vote getters (regardless of party) would go
  on to the regular election. The theory was that the left/right
  extremes would move closer to center. That has happened somewhat,
  but I think it would have been better with a "top 3".


bp



On 8/4/2020 1:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
A marketing course once taught me that if
  there were two hot dog stands on a crowded beach* they would
  be right next to each other in the middle.  Whereas the public
  would be best served if they were spaced at the 1/3 and 2/3
  points to minimize the distance anyone would have to walk to
  get a hot dog.
 
In politics, however, the hot dog stands
  would be at the far ends of the beach, with none in the
  middle.  Maybe a result of the 2 party system and any moderate
  candidate getting “primaried”.

   

* crowded beach = a historical reference
  from the before times
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Chuck
  McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:43 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  

 
I deeply
  resemble that comment,

  Sent from my iPhone


  


  
On Aug 4,
  2020, at 1:10 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  


  
 
It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 
 
bp

 

  On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett
wrote:


  
People
believe inept morons all of the time, generally a
group of left morons and a group of right morons.

  
  
  -
  Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
  Solutions

Midwest Internet
  Exchange

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  From:
  "Jaime
  Solorza" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  
What
surprised me the most is how many actually
believed an inept moron over an expert trained
on this.. 

  Unbelievable

  
   
  

  On
  Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
  wrote:


  

  Gino
  - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths
  are still going up while it looks like new
  cases are starting to go down.  


  Robbert
  -  No offense but that makes zero sense
  and is counterfactual.  Testing rates are
  continuing to rise.  


   


  Pure
  speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses
  are starting to catch on and are wearing
  their masks now.  


   


   


  
On
Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime
Solorza <losguyswi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Ken Hohhof]

A marketing course once taught me that if there were two hot dog stands on a 
crowded beach* they would be right next to each other in the middle.  Whereas 
the public would be best served if they were spaced at the 1/3 and 2/3 points 
to minimize the distance anyone would have to walk to get a hot dog.

 

In politics, however, the hot dog stands would be at the far ends of the beach, 
with none in the middle.  Maybe a result of the 2 party system and any moderate 
candidate getting “primaried”.

 

* crowded beach = a historical reference from the before times

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

I deeply resemble that comment,

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 4, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 

 

bp

 

On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left morons 
and a group of right morons.



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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron over an 
expert trained on this.. 

Unbelievable

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it 
looks like new cases are starting to go down.  

Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.  Testing 
rates are continuing to rise.  

 

Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and are 
wearing their masks now.  

 

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The virus doesn't care about statistics.

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Chuck McCown]

I deeply resemble that comment,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left 
>> morons and a group of right morons.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>> 
>> What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron over 
>> an expert trained on this..
>> Unbelievable
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>> Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it 
>>> looks like new cases are starting to go down.  
>>> Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.  
>>> Testing rates are continuing to rise.  
>>> 
>>> Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and 
>>> are wearing their masks now.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
>>>> The virus doesn't care about statistics.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:
>>>>> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Maybe all the stupid people have gotten infected by now? Just a
  guess.


bp



On 8/4/2020 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
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  Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
  

  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
but Newton was special.


bp



On 8/4/2020 12:09 PM,
  can...@believewireless.net wrote:


  
  
Galileo was
  an inept moron. Tesla was an inept moron. Lots of inept morons
  throughout history.
  
  
  
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:08 PM
  Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:


  
People
  believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of
  left morons and a group of right morons.
  
  

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  From:
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

What surprised me the most is how many
  actually believed an inept moron over an expert
  trained on this..
  Unbelievable



  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020,
9:50 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:
  
  

  Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator. 
Deaths are still going up while it looks like
new cases are starting to go down.  
  Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero
sense and is counterfactual.  Testing rates are
continuing to rise.  
  
  
  Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb
asses are starting to catch on and are wearing
their masks now.  
  
  
  
  
  
On Tue, Aug 4,
  2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  The virus doesn't care about
statistics.
  
  
On Tue,
  Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  wrote:


  

  
Not wanting to jinx this but it
  looks promising.

  

  
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Galileo was an inept moron. Tesla was an inept moron. Lots of inept morons
throughout history.

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> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
> What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron
> over an expert trained on this..
> Unbelievable
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while
>> it looks like new cases are starting to go down.
>> Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.
>> Testing rates are continuing to rise.
>>
>> Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on
>> and are wearing their masks now.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The virus doesn't care about statistics.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
>>>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

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It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 



bp



On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett
  wrote:


  
  
  People believe inept morons all of the
time, generally a group of left morons and a group of right
morons.


  
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Computing Solutions
  
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Internet Exchange
  
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Brothers WISP
  


  


From:
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  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  
  What surprised me the most is how many
actually believed an inept moron over an expert trained on
this..
Unbelievable
  
  
  
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50
  AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
  wrote:


  
Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are
  still going up while it looks like new cases are
  starting to go down.  
Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and
  is counterfactual.  Testing rates are continuing to
  rise.  


Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are
  starting to catch on and are wearing their masks
  now.  





  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020
at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  
The virus doesn't care about
  statistics.


  On Tue, Aug 4,
2020, 8:57 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  Not wanting to jinx this but it looks
promising.
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

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People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left morons 
and a group of right morons. 




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From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news? 


What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron over an 
expert trained on this.. 
Unbelievable 


On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 




Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator. Deaths are still going up while it looks 
like new cases are starting to go down. 
Robbert - No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual. Testing 
rates are continuing to rise. 


Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and are 
wearing their masks now. 





On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



The virus doesn't care about statistics. 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Testing data is being suppressed and hidden at this point because
  it is going through a private company that OCP did a no bid
  contract with. Reports are that the data is disappearing and/or
  taking a two-week detour.


bp



On 8/4/2020 8:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Our Utah curve looks even better than this and we have
plenty of testing capability and are doing more tests than
ever before.  
  No natl guard involvement at all...
   
  We can test 7000 per day here but only have a demand for
about 1300 tests per day.  
  Again, no natl guard involvement ... ;-)
   
  My wife just pointed out that once school starts it will
blow this curve.  
  

   
  
From: Robert 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:08 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  

 
  
  Yup,
  that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing
  the testing rates...   Here in our county the testing rate
  has been reduced by 2/3 because the resources of the
  national guard have been pulled.   

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[chuck]

Used to be when the boss “had your back” he was not likely to stick knives in 
it

(Sorry, very unlentin of me.  )

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron over an 
expert trained on this.. 
Unbelievable

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson  wrote:

  Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it 
looks like new cases are starting to go down.  
  Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.  
Testing rates are continuing to rise.  

  Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and 
are wearing their masks now.  


  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

The virus doesn't care about statistics.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:

  Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Nate Burke]

When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels 
the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and 
Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.


Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 
4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago. I think 
some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.



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Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.
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I think the most important chart is deaths per population

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What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron
over an expert trained on this..
Unbelievable

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wrote:

> Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it
> looks like new cases are starting to go down.
> Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.
> Testing rates are continuing to rise.
>
> Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on
> and are wearing their masks now.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> The virus doesn't care about statistics.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
>>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

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Well, the wife of one of my employees has it.  He moved out and self 
quarantined.  He doesn’t have it.  He tested negative, she tested positive.  
Seems to be working OK for me.  There was no reluctance to administer the 
tests.  No delay.  Results were back in a day.  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

But how many are actually very sick?  There have been a lot of people testing 
positive around here with nothing more than cold symptoms and sometimes a 
headache for a day.  Our county has been flipping out because of higher numbers 
of positive tests and put in more restrictions.  They kept saying in the media 
that the higher number of positive tests were NOT because of higher overall 
numbers of tests.  Then last week it comes out that they were holding back 
large numbers of negative tests to keep the % where they wanted it.  All of a 
sudden the story changed to be that the large number of negative tests WAS ONLY 
because there had been SO MANY more tests done overall.  The positive % was 
pretty much exactly the same as it has been for many weeks but that number 
meant they had to ease restrictions (according to their plan that they put out) 
but they obviously wanted to increase restrictions……

 

The best “science” so far though has been when they claimed that it was 
“scientifically proven” that the peaceful protests (aka riots) didn’t cause ANY 
spike in the positive test numbers BECAUSE they asked every single person who 
tested positive a series of questions and almost everybody (I believe it was 
around 98%) refused to answer the question about whether they had participated 
in a “protest”.  They did however answer the other questions and say that they 
had been in family gatherings and spent time at bars.  Very good science 
there…..  2% said they didn’t protest, 98% refused to answer so it’s completely 
obvious that protesting didn’t play any role……  so the county put restrictions 
on all gatherings and essentially shut down any bar that didn’t have outdoor 
seating and serve food (except of course for the “peaceful protests” who 
continue to gather whenever/wherever they want and shut down roads etc).

 

 

 

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Our Utah curve looks even better than this and we have plenty of testing 
capability and are doing more tests than ever before.  

No natl guard involvement at all...

 

We can test 7000 per day here but only have a demand for about 1300 tests per 
day.  

Again, no natl guard involvement ... ;-)

 

My wife just pointed out that once school starts it will blow this curve.  

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:08 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

Yup, that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing the testing 
rates...   Here in our county the testing rate has been reduced by 2/3 because 
the resources of the national guard have been pulled.   

On 8/4/20 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

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It would be nice if only actual covid deaths were being counted……

A shirt tail relative of one of our employees died a while back and was listed 
as covid.  Turned out she overdosed on pills, went into the bathroom and tried 
to make herself throw up, slipped, gashed her head open and bled to death.   
And as far as I know it’s still one of the covid deaths counted in this area.

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Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it
looks like new cases are starting to go down.
Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.
Testing rates are continuing to rise.

Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and
are wearing their masks now.


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But how many are actually very sick?  There have been a lot of people testing 
positive around here with nothing more than cold symptoms and sometimes a 
headache for a day.  Our county has been flipping out because of higher numbers 
of positive tests and put in more restrictions.  They kept saying in the media 
that the higher number of positive tests were NOT because of higher overall 
numbers of tests.  Then last week it comes out that they were holding back 
large numbers of negative tests to keep the % where they wanted it.  All of a 
sudden the story changed to be that the large number of negative tests WAS ONLY 
because there had been SO MANY more tests done overall.  The positive % was 
pretty much exactly the same as it has been for many weeks but that number 
meant they had to ease restrictions (according to their plan that they put out) 
but they obviously wanted to increase restrictions..

The best "science" so far though has been when they claimed that it was 
"scientifically proven" that the peaceful protests (aka riots) didn't cause ANY 
spike in the positive test numbers BECAUSE they asked every single person who 
tested positive a series of questions and almost everybody (I believe it was 
around 98%) refused to answer the question about whether they had participated 
in a "protest".  They did however answer the other questions and say that they 
had been in family gatherings and spent time at bars.  Very good science 
there.  2% said they didn't protest, 98% refused to answer so it's 
completely obvious that protesting didn't play any role..  so the county 
put restrictions on all gatherings and essentially shut down any bar that 
didn't have outdoor seating and serve food (except of course for the "peaceful 
protests" who continue to gather whenever/wherever they want and shut down 
roads etc).



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Our Utah curve looks even better than this and we have plenty of testing 
capability and are doing more tests than ever before.
No natl guard involvement at all...

We can test 7000 per day here but only have a demand for about 1300 tests per 
day.
Again, no natl guard involvement ... ;-)

My wife just pointed out that once school starts it will blow this curve.

From: Robert
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

Yup, that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing the testing 
rates...   Here in our county the testing rate has been reduced by 2/3 because 
the resources of the national guard have been pulled.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

I am not into conspiracy theories. I am into economics, and how that drives
decisions. I say that delete into this Colin I had 3 friends that went to
get tested. All of them filled out the paperwork but after 3 hours got
tired of waiting. They all left without testing. One week later they all
received positive results from the covid test they supposedly took.
 I don't know if the testing site gets paid for test performed so has an
incentive to decide one way or the other even if they don't perform a test

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[chuck]

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I think the most important chart is deaths per population 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

Our Utah curve looks even better than this and we have plenty of testing 
capability and are doing more tests than ever before.  
No natl guard involvement at all...

We can test 7000 per day here but only have a demand for about 1300 tests per 
day.  
Again, no natl guard involvement ... ;-)

My wife just pointed out that once school starts it will blow this curve.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:08 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

Yup, that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing the testing 
rates...   Here in our county the testing rate has been reduced by 2/3 because 
the resources of the national guard have been pulled.   


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[Robert]

Yup, that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing the 
testing rates...   Here in our county the testing rate has been reduced 
by 2/3 because the resources of the national guard have been pulled.


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