Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
I think they would be happy with it if it was only 5 Mbps. With
10 Mbps, they would be ecstatic. With 20 Mbps they will be dancing
in the streets.
bp
On 3/4/2021 9:17 AM, Robert wrote:
I know there are a huge number of people,
unserved currently except for geo-sat, will love this, even if
it's 20mb/s.
On 3/4/21 8:54 AM, Mathew Howard
wrote:
Marketing people will certainly tell you that putting up
12,000 wifi APs will 1.2gbps*12,000 capacity though...
I think Starlink is probably going to work very well for
what it's supposed to do, but at this point, I don't think
most people really understand what it is. There's too much
hype around it that's giving people unrealistic
expectations... kind of like 5G.
On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:26
AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah but marketing people are dumb in every company. I
don't underestimate their engineers, but I do believe
the people selling it will be prone to overstating what
it does.
I think people keep assuming things like "20Gbps per
satellite x 12,000 satellites = eleventy skillion
yottabits"
Anybody who's ever installed WiFi ought to understand
that an AP that can theoretically do 1.2gbps doesn't
actually do 1.2gbps, and putting 12,000 of them in a
building wouldn't let you multiply capacity * 12,000.
IMO it will be better than existing satellite systems,
but it will not be a panacea, and fixed wireless will
absolutely still be competitive with it. and of
course it won't replace cable or fiber.
On 3/4/2021 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
As much as we all hope there are operational
issues that will make it less than perfect, it is
made by some very smart people. People smart
enough to land a buck rogers rocket on its tail
feathers. I would not underestimate them. I am
still hopeful that there are issues...
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15
AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink
speeds dip already
If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost
always tilted, maybe they just need to make a
thin layer of water to get it to slide off?
bp
On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Found this interesting tidbit I didnt
know about
Snow Melt Mode
Deployed
basic Snow Melt Mode, during which
Starlink produces additional heat to
mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow
build-up on the face of the user terminal.
STEVEN
KENNEY
DIRECTOR
OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY &
CONTINUITY A:
158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON
E:
st...@wavedirect.org
| P: 519-737-9283
W:
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
I know there are a huge number of people, unserved currently except for
geo-sat, will love this, even if it's 20mb/s.
On 3/4/21 8:54 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Marketing people will certainly tell you that putting up 12,000 wifi
APs will 1.2gbps*12,000 capacity though...
I think Starlink is probably going to work very well for what it's
supposed to do, but at this point, I don't think most people really
understand what it is. There's too much hype around it that's giving
people unrealistic expectations... kind of like 5G.
On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:26 AM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah but marketing people are dumb in every company. I don't
underestimate their engineers, but I do believe the people selling
it will be prone to overstating what it does.
I think people keep assuming things like "20Gbps per satellite x
12,000 satellites = eleventy skillion yottabits"
Anybody who's ever installed WiFi ought to understand that an AP
that can theoretically do 1.2gbps doesn't actually do 1.2gbps, and
putting 12,000 of them in a building wouldn't let you multiply
capacity * 12,000.
IMO it will be better than existing satellite systems, but it will
not be a panacea, and fixed wireless will absolutely still be
competitive with it. and of course it won't replace cable or
fiber.
On 3/4/2021 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
As much as we all hope there are operational issues that will
make it less than perfect, it is made by some very smart people.
People smart enough to land a buck rogers rocket on its tail
feathers. I would not underestimate them. I am still hopeful
that there are issues...
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always tilted,
maybe they just need to make a thin layer of water to get it to
slide off?
bp
On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about
*Snow Melt Mode*
Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces
additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow
build-up on the face of the user terminal.
logo <https://www.wavedirect.net/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed>
<https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/>
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/>
<https://twitter.com/wavedirect1>
<https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>
*STEVEN KENNEY *
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*From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com, "Steve Jones"
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We
already
provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg.
On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general
> consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta
is? this is
> the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we
install. we
> used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many
> people complained about exactly what we told them would happen
happening.
>
> I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a
whole other
> landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on
detractors
> and proving people wrong.
>
> But regardless, beta is beta
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ha...
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>
> Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes.
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
> From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19...
> unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in
Texas..
> I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch
from Hughes
> to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of
them...
> curious to s
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
With a software defined radio, could they take their array and make a 2.4Ghz pencil beam and sweep it across the dish focused at the cover? On 3/4/21 8:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah but marketing people are dumb in every company. I don't underestimate their engineers, but I do believe the people selling it will be prone to overstating what it does. I think people keep assuming things like "20Gbps per satellite x 12,000 satellites = eleventy skillion yottabits" Anybody who's ever installed WiFi ought to understand that an AP that can theoretically do 1.2gbps doesn't actually do 1.2gbps, and putting 12,000 of them in a building wouldn't let you multiply capacity * 12,000. IMO it will be better than existing satellite systems, but it will not be a panacea, and fixed wireless will absolutely still be competitive with it. and of course it won't replace cable or fiber. On 3/4/2021 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: As much as we all hope there are operational issues that will make it less than perfect, it is made by some very smart people. People smart enough to land a buck rogers rocket on its tail feathers. I would not underestimate them. I am still hopeful that there are issues... *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always tilted, maybe they just need to make a thin layer of water to get it to slide off? bp On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about *Snow Melt Mode* Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user terminal. logo <https://www.wavedirect.net/> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> *STEVEN KENNEY * DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net *From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com, "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > and proving people wrong. > > But regardless, beta is beta > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ha... > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > curious to see how well it works. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > mailto:af@af.afmug.com wrote: > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few > hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare > for wh
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Marketing people will certainly tell you that putting up 12,000 wifi APs will 1.2gbps*12,000 capacity though... I think Starlink is probably going to work very well for what it's supposed to do, but at this point, I don't think most people really understand what it is. There's too much hype around it that's giving people unrealistic expectations... kind of like 5G. On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:26 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Yeah but marketing people are dumb in every company. I don't > underestimate their engineers, but I do believe the people selling it will > be prone to overstating what it does. > > I think people keep assuming things like "20Gbps per satellite x 12,000 > satellites = eleventy skillion yottabits" > > Anybody who's ever installed WiFi ought to understand that an AP that can > theoretically do 1.2gbps doesn't actually do 1.2gbps, and putting 12,000 of > them in a building wouldn't let you multiply capacity * 12,000. > > IMO it will be better than existing satellite systems, but it will not be > a panacea, and fixed wireless will absolutely still be competitive with > it. and of course it won't replace cable or fiber. > On 3/4/2021 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > As much as we all hope there are operational issues that will make it less > than perfect, it is made by some very smart people. People smart enough to > land a buck rogers rocket on its tail feathers. I would not underestimate > them. I am still hopeful that there are issues... > > *From:* Bill Prince > *Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > > If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always tilted, maybe they > just need to make a thin layer of water to get it to slide off? > > > > bp > > > On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: > > Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about > > *Snow Melt Mode* > Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional > heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of > the user terminal. > > > > [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> > <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> > <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> > <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> > *STEVEN KENNEY * > DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | > Leamington ON > E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 > W: www.wavedirect.net > > ------ > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com, "Steve Jones" > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > *Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already > provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. > > On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > > and proving people wrong. > > > > But regardless, beta is beta > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Ha... > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF > mailto:af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > > curious to see how well it works. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > > mailto:af@af.afmug.com wrote: > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
I seem to remember reading that it will use up to 100 watts... I'm guessing it probably doesn't burn that much power all the time, so there's probably a decent margin to play with heating it. On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:17 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Ice storm, like a radome for an aircraft radar. Has to keep it ice > free... takes about 240 watts as I recall. > The problem was not building a heated radome. The problem was switching > off the heat when the storm was over. I had more than one smoking radome > on my hands. > > What kind of power supply do these things have? > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:11 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > > I wonder if it's a matter of how long of a melt process you're willing to > accept. > > Like maybe 100W keeps the dish clean, but maybe 10W will ensure it melts > at some point so you're not simply broken until the weather changes. > > > On 3/4/2021 10:57 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > That is gonna take some power. Heavy snow or ice storms. I tried to > build heated radomes for a while. Takes like 100 watts to do it right or > more. > > *From:* Steven Kenney > *Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 6:31 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about > > *Snow Melt Mode* > Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional > heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of > the user terminal. > > > > [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> > <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> > <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> > <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> > *STEVEN KENNEY * > DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | > Leamington ON > E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 > W: www.wavedirect.net > > -- > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com, "Steve Jones" > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > *Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already > provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. > > On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > > and proving people wrong. > > > > But regardless, beta is beta > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Ha... > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF > mailto:af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > > curious to see how well it works. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > > mailto:af@af.afmug.com wrote: > > > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > > *From:* Colin Stanners > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > >
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Yeah but marketing people are dumb in every company. I don't underestimate their engineers, but I do believe the people selling it will be prone to overstating what it does. I think people keep assuming things like "20Gbps per satellite x 12,000 satellites = eleventy skillion yottabits" Anybody who's ever installed WiFi ought to understand that an AP that can theoretically do 1.2gbps doesn't actually do 1.2gbps, and putting 12,000 of them in a building wouldn't let you multiply capacity * 12,000. IMO it will be better than existing satellite systems, but it will not be a panacea, and fixed wireless will absolutely still be competitive with it. and of course it won't replace cable or fiber. On 3/4/2021 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: As much as we all hope there are operational issues that will make it less than perfect, it is made by some very smart people. People smart enough to land a buck rogers rocket on its tail feathers. I would not underestimate them. I am still hopeful that there are issues... *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always tilted, maybe they just need to make a thin layer of water to get it to slide off? bp On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about *Snow Melt Mode* Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user terminal. logo <https://www.wavedirect.net/> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> *STEVEN KENNEY * DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net *From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com, "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > and proving people wrong. > > But regardless, beta is beta > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ha... > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > curious to see how well it works. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > mailto:af@af.afmug.com wrote: > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few > hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare > for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity > per sat) > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into >
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
There will certainly be issues. I keep wondering how much of a
sky aperture is "good enough" to provide continuous service. In
our area, people seem to think a fist-sized hole in the tree
canopy is good enough for traditional satellite service.
Not too different with 3-5 GHz broadband. If they see the tiniest
hole in the general direction of the AP, that is line of sight as
far as they are concerned
bp
On 3/4/2021 8:18 AM, Chuck McCown via
AF wrote:
As much as we all hope there are operational issues that
will make it less than perfect, it is made by some very
smart people. People smart enough to land a buck rogers
rocket on its tail feathers. I would not underestimate
them. I am still hopeful that there are issues...
From: Bill
Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip
already
If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always
tilted, maybe they just need to make a thin layer of water
to get it to slide off?
bp
On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven
Kenney wrote:
Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about
Snow Melt Mode
Deployed basic Snow Melt
Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat
to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow
build-up on the face of the user terminal.
STEVEN
KENNEY
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY &
CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
Leamington ON
E:
st...@wavedirect.org
| P: 519-737-9283
W:
www.wavedirect.net
From: "Matt
Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com,
"Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip
already
He's trying to land a
Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already
provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg.
On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> what part of beta dont people understand? is it
because general
> consumers are getting beta and dont actually know
what beta is? this is
> the same reason we make people cut trees down now
BEFORE we install. we
> used to just install and tell them to cut it. but
too many
> people complained about exactly what we told them
would happen happening.
>
> I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it
will be a whole other
> landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who
thrives on detractors
> and proving people wrong.
>
> But regardless, beta is beta
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Ha...
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via
AF <af@af.afmug.com
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
>
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
As much as we all hope there are operational issues that will make it less than perfect, it is made by some very smart people. People smart enough to land a buck rogers rocket on its tail feathers. I would not underestimate them. I am still hopeful that there are issues... From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:15 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always tilted, maybe they just need to make a thin layer of water to get it to slide off? bp On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about Snow Melt Mode Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user terminal. STEVEN KENNEY DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net -- From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com, "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > and proving people wrong. > > But regardless, beta is beta > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ha... > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > curious to see how well it works. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > mailto:af@af.afmug.com wrote: > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few > hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare > for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity > per sat) > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into > such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful > that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote: > > Already hearing from folks who have the service that > they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light > loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or > doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- >
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Ice storm, like a radome for an aircraft radar. Has to keep it ice free... takes about 240 watts as I recall. The problem was not building a heated radome. The problem was switching off the heat when the storm was over. I had more than one smoking radome on my hands. What kind of power supply do these things have? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:11 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already I wonder if it's a matter of how long of a melt process you're willing to accept. Like maybe 100W keeps the dish clean, but maybe 10W will ensure it melts at some point so you're not simply broken until the weather changes. On 3/4/2021 10:57 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That is gonna take some power. Heavy snow or ice storms. I tried to build heated radomes for a while. Takes like 100 watts to do it right or more. From: Steven Kenney Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 6:31 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about Snow Melt Mode Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user terminal. STEVEN KENNEY DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net -- From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com, "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > and proving people wrong. > > But regardless, beta is beta > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ha... > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > curious to see how well it works. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > mailto:af@af.afmug.com wrote: > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few > hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare > for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity > per sat) > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into > such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful > that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote: > > Already hearing from folks who have the service that > they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light > loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
If the top is relatively slick, and it's almost always tilted,
maybe they just need to make a thin layer of water to get it to
slide off?
bp
On 3/4/2021 5:31 AM, Steven Kenney
wrote:
Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about
Snow Melt Mode
Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which
Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal
attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user
terminal.
STEVEN KENNEY
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY
A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
W:
www.wavedirect.net
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: "af" , "Steve Jones"
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
He's trying to land a Methane
filled blimp while ignited! We already
provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg.
On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> what part of beta dont people understand? is it because
general
> consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what
beta is? this is
> the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE
we install. we
> used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too
many
> people complained about exactly what we told them would
happen happening.
>
> I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a
whole other
> landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives
on detractors
> and proving people wrong.
>
> But regardless, beta is beta
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> Ha...
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com
> > wrote:
>
> Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes.
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip
already
> From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on
Covid-19...
> unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards
in Texas..
> I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to
switch from Hughes
> to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several
of them...
> curious to see how well it works.
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF
> wrote:
>
> I think that they are going to find more than
enough
> customers in hard to serve locations that
they will not
> encroach on the better served areas too
much. I am always
> an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a
month...
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip
already
> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating
load of a few
> hundred, or a thousand, customers on each
bird to prepare
> for when it's actually busy. (based on the
"20Gbps" capacity
> per sat)
> Considering the amount of effort and design
that goes into
> such a massive and complex system, people
should be thankful
> that it's working with a good-enough uptime
right now.
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
I wonder if it's a matter of how long of a melt process you're willing to accept. Like maybe 100W keeps the dish clean, but maybe 10W will ensure it melts at some point so you're not simply broken until the weather changes. On 3/4/2021 10:57 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That is gonna take some power. Heavy snow or ice storms. I tried to build heated radomes for a while. Takes like 100 watts to do it right or more. *From:* Steven Kenney *Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 6:31 AM *To:* af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about *Snow Melt Mode* Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user terminal. logo <https://www.wavedirect.net/> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> *STEVEN KENNEY * DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net *From: *"Matt Hoppes" *To: *"af" , "Steve Jones" *Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > and proving people wrong. > > But regardless, beta is beta > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Ha... > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > curious to see how well it works. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few > hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare > for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity > per sat) > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into > such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful > that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev > wrote: > > Already hearing from folks who have the service that > they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light > loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or > doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
No heating elements in it. Think they just do math with it to heat it up. Mining bitcoin perhaps? On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 9:58 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > That is gonna take some power. Heavy snow or ice storms. I tried to > build heated radomes for a while. Takes like 100 watts to do it right or > more. > > *From:* Steven Kenney > *Sent:* Thursday, March 4, 2021 6:31 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about > > *Snow Melt Mode* > Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional > heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of > the user terminal. > > > > [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> > <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> > <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> > <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> > *STEVEN KENNEY * > DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | > Leamington ON > E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 > W: www.wavedirect.net > > ------ > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > *To: *"af" , "Steve Jones" > *Sent: *Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already > provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. > > On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > > and proving people wrong. > > > > But regardless, beta is beta > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Ha... > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: > > > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > > curious to see how well it works. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > > wrote: > > > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > > *From:* Colin Stanners > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few > > hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare > > for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity > > per sat) > > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into > > such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful > > that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev > > wrote: > > > > Already hearing from folks who have the service that > > they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light > > loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or > > doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing > similar? > >
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
That is gonna take some power. Heavy snow or ice storms. I tried to build heated radomes for a while. Takes like 100 watts to do it right or more. From: Steven Kenney Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 6:31 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about Snow Melt Mode Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user terminal. STEVEN KENNEY DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "af" , "Steve Jones" Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > and proving people wrong. > > But regardless, beta is beta > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Ha... > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > curious to see how well it works. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few > hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare > for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity > per sat) > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into > such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful > that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev > wrote: > > Already hearing from folks who have the service that > they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light > loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or > doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing li
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about Snow Melt Mode Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user terminal. [ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] [ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] STEVEN KENNEY DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "af" , "Steve Jones" Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general > consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is > the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we > used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many > people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. > > I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other > landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors > and proving people wrong. > > But regardless, beta is beta > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Ha... > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: > > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... > unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes > to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... > curious to see how well it works. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > I think that they are going to find more than enough > customers in hard to serve locations that they will not > encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always > an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few > hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare > for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity > per sat) > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into > such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful > that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev > wrote: > > Already hearing from folks who have the service that > they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light > loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or > doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors and proving people wrong. But regardless, beta is beta On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Ha... On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. *From:* Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it works. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... *From:* Colin Stanners *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors and proving people wrong. But regardless, beta is beta On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Ha... > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already >> >> From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's >> going to take a step backwards in Texas.. >> I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to >> Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see >> how well it works. >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >>> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard >>> to serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas >>> too much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... >>> >>> *From:* Colin Stanners >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already >>> >>> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a >>> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. >>> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) >>> >>> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a >>> massive and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working >>> with a good-enough uptime right now. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: >>> >>>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing >>>> dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see >>>> how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing >>>> similar? >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Ha... On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's > going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink > ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it > works. > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to >> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too >> much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... >> >> *From:* Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already >> >> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a >> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. >> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) >> >> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive >> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a >> good-enough uptime right now. >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: >> >>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips >>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how >>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already >From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's going to >take a step backwards in Texas.. I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it works. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... From: Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Calix GPON... ;-) From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already What technology do you utilize to deliver a 100+ mbps to residential subs? Or is that not what they will offer when beta is done? On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 12:58 PM David Hannum wrote: We (WISPS) can beat their speeds and prices in areas we are in, and you KNOW we offer WAY better service. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... From: Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/lwo0dz/starlink_is_usually_around_100mbps_but_sometimes/ Fanboy testing I'm sure. I'm positive they will generally be 100m + in production if you don't have obstructions. Post "install" issues is going to be the real issue. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:21 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's > going to take a step backwards in Texas.. > I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink > ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it > works. > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to >> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too >> much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... >> >> *From:* Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already >> >> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a >> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. >> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) >> >> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive >> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a >> good-enough uptime right now. >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: >> >>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips >>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how >>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it works. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to > serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too > much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a > thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. > (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) > > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive > and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a > good-enough uptime right now. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: > >> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips >> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how >> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
What technology do you utilize to deliver a 100+ mbps to residential subs? Or is that not what they will offer when beta is done? On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 12:58 PM David Hannum wrote: > We (WISPS) can beat their speeds and prices in areas we are in, and you > KNOW we offer WAY better service. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to >> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too >> much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... >> >> *From:* Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already >> >> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a >> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. >> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) >> >> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive >> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a >> good-enough uptime right now. >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: >> >>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips >>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how >>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
We (WISPS) can beat their speeds and prices in areas we are in, and you KNOW we offer WAY better service. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to > serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too > much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a > thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. > (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) > > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive > and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a > good-enough uptime right now. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: > >> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips >> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how >> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Covid is done now. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/us/coronavirus-reopening-texas.html Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 3:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to > serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too > much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... > > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already > > Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a > thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. > (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) > > Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive > and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a > good-enough uptime right now. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: > >> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips >> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how >> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... From: Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Yup... I'm hearing/seeing the same thing. On 3/3/21 11:46 AM, Dev wrote: Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Until they get the constellation fleshed out; probably after 2021 (maybe mid 2022?), I would not put too much credence in any numbers, big or small. bp On 3/3/2021 8:46 AM, Dev wrote: Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat) Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev wrote: > Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips > below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how > this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
