subject:"\[AFMUG\] wispa"

did they finish the game/ the articles said they got the positive
kungflu result for the player just before tip off, but the player wasnt
there. i couldnt tell if the game was stopped or not though

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:33 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> NBA just suspended its season indefinitely
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> This is from a dr. In norther Italy.
>>
>> TRINA AND CLAUDE PLEASE READ THIS.
>>
>>
>> https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:48 PM Trina Coffey  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> Thank you for the rousing endorsement of my competency.  I insure all of
>>> our shows.  There are no current factors that fall under an insurable event
>>> for this show.  Please understand that while you may not personally agree
>>> with or understand all of the factors that go into a decision, I ALWAYS
>>> make decisions with the best interest of our membership at the forefront of
>>> my mind.  That being said there are many factors that you are either not
>>> aware of or do not understand that went into the decision that this
>>> organization has made.  You have cancelled your registration,  so please
>>> afford those who have chosen to come Dallas the respect that they have made
>>> the best decision for themselves.  It may differ from yours but that does
>>> not make it wrong.  We are all adults and are perfectly capable of making
>>> this decision for ourselves.
>>>
>>> Trina Coffey
>>> Vice President of Events & Operations
>>> WISPA
>>> 407-319-0051
>>>
>>> On 3/11/20, 6:25 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Almost all of our attendees and vendors are interested in
>>> continuing
>>> the show, which means the show will go on. We have made significant
>>> financial and operational commitments in reliance on attendee which
>>> has
>>> not waned. Out of an abundance of caution we have put in place many
>>> safety protocols to minimize the likelihood of COVID-19 and/or other
>>> infectious disease transmission.
>>>
>>> Since the show is continuing, we must stick to our stated policies
>>> of
>>> not offering refunds. We have already made financial and operational
>>> commitments in reliance on your participation in the show, and that
>>> means we have to stick to our policies. I hope you can understand."
>>>
>>>
>>> INTERPRETATION:  WISPA can not cancel this show no matter what,
>>> because
>>> we need the income to pay for the show, which is already reserved.
>>>   We
>>> most likely don't have event insurance either.  So while we
>>> understand
>>> your concerns, we are extremely sorry but there's just no way we can
>>> refund your money and we are going to expose everyone who comes to
>>> an
>>> ever increasing risk.   Please understand, money comes before safety.
>>>
>>> On 3/11/20 4:25 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
>>> > Trina, can you let us know the WISPA’s position of refunding
>>> conference
>>> > fees?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Jerry Bickle
>>> >
>>> > President
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>> memb...@wispa.org
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

NBA just suspended its season indefinitely

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> This is from a dr. In norther Italy.
>
> TRINA AND CLAUDE PLEASE READ THIS.
>
>
> https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:48 PM Trina Coffey  wrote:
>
>> Matt
>>
>> Thank you for the rousing endorsement of my competency.  I insure all of
>> our shows.  There are no current factors that fall under an insurable event
>> for this show.  Please understand that while you may not personally agree
>> with or understand all of the factors that go into a decision, I ALWAYS
>> make decisions with the best interest of our membership at the forefront of
>> my mind.  That being said there are many factors that you are either not
>> aware of or do not understand that went into the decision that this
>> organization has made.  You have cancelled your registration,  so please
>> afford those who have chosen to come Dallas the respect that they have made
>> the best decision for themselves.  It may differ from yours but that does
>> not make it wrong.  We are all adults and are perfectly capable of making
>> this decision for ourselves.
>>
>> Trina Coffey
>> Vice President of Events & Operations
>> WISPA
>> 407-319-0051
>>
>> On 3/11/20, 6:25 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> "Almost all of our attendees and vendors are interested in continuing
>> the show, which means the show will go on. We have made significant
>> financial and operational commitments in reliance on attendee which
>> has
>> not waned. Out of an abundance of caution we have put in place many
>> safety protocols to minimize the likelihood of COVID-19 and/or other
>> infectious disease transmission.
>>
>> Since the show is continuing, we must stick to our stated policies of
>> not offering refunds. We have already made financial and operational
>> commitments in reliance on your participation in the show, and that
>> means we have to stick to our policies. I hope you can understand."
>>
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:  WISPA can not cancel this show no matter what,
>> because
>> we need the income to pay for the show, which is already reserved.
>> We
>> most likely don't have event insurance either.  So while we
>> understand
>> your concerns, we are extremely sorry but there's just no way we can
>> refund your money and we are going to expose everyone who comes to an
>> ever increasing risk.   Please understand, money comes before safety.
>>
>> On 3/11/20 4:25 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
>> > Trina, can you let us know the WISPA’s position of refunding
>> conference
>> > fees?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Jerry Bickle
>> >
>> > President
>> >
>>
>>
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first documented person with it came back to chicago january 14, and
infected her husband, sought medical on the 19th or thereabouts.
Theyre both home and healthy, btw. If that Dr made that claim, hes an utter
moron and part of the problem. we did what italy chose not to do right off
the bat, we locked down travel from hot zones, and further locked them down
as new hot zones popped up, including italy. That guy needs to STFU and
hope he didnt kill alot of people.

That being said, did I hear potus correctly, the European travel ban DOES
include goods from europe, like mikrotik, or are they asia? UK is sitting
pretty post brexit. I wonder if goods can transit through the UK from
europe?

china is or isnt shipping goods right now?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:15 PM James Howard  wrote:

> So that dr. who wrote that article says that it’s “just starting in the
> US” and that we’re “doing what Italy did in the beginning”.   I just looked
> up when the first case of COVID-19 was found in Italy and the US.  Italy
> was January 30 and USA was January 19.
>
>
>
> Everybody keeps acting like it’s just getting to the US but it’s been here
> for almost 2 months now.  Italy has an older population and apparently 21%
> of the entire population are smokers.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Claude Aiken <
> cai...@wispa.org>; Trina Coffey ; WISPA General List <
> wirel...@wispa.org>; memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> This is from a dr. In norther Italy.
>
>
>
> TRINA AND CLAUDE PLEASE READ THIS.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797
>
>
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:48 PM Trina Coffey  wrote:
>
> Matt
>
> Thank you for the rousing endorsement of my competency.  I insure all of
> our shows.  There are no current factors that fall under an insurable event
> for this show.  Please understand that while you may not personally agree
> with or understand all of the factors that go into a decision, I ALWAYS
> make decisions with the best interest of our membership at the forefront of
> my mind.  That being said there are many factors that you are either not
> aware of or do not understand that went into the decision that this
> organization has made.  You have cancelled your registration,  so please
> afford those who have chosen to come Dallas the respect that they have made
> the best decision for themselves.  It may differ from yours but that does
> not make it wrong.  We are all adults and are perfectly capable of making
> this decision for ourselves.
>
> Trina Coffey
> Vice President of Events & Operations
> WISPA
> 407-319-0051
>
> On 3/11/20, 6:25 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> wrote:
>
> "Almost all of our attendees and vendors are interested in continuing
> the show, which means the show will go on. We have made significant
> financial and operational commitments in reliance on attendee which
> has
> not waned. Out of an abundance of caution we have put in place many
> safety protocols to minimize the likelihood of COVID-19 and/or other
> infectious disease transmission.
>
> Since the show is continuing, we must stick to our stated policies of
> not offering refunds. We have already made financial and operational
> commitments in reliance on your participation in the show, and that
> means we have to stick to our policies. I hope you can understand."
>
>
> INTERPRETATION:  WISPA can not cancel this show no matter what,
> because
> we need the income to pay for the show, which is already reserved.
> We
> most likely don't have event insurance either.  So while we understand
> your concerns, we are extremely sorry but there's just no way we can
> refund your money and we are going to expose everyone who comes to an
> ever increasing risk.   Please understand, money comes before safety.
>
> On 3/11/20 4:25 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
> > Trina, can you let us know the WISPA’s position of refunding
> conference
> > fees?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jerry Bickle
> >
> > President
> >
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

So that dr. who wrote that article says that it’s “just starting in the US” and 
that we’re “doing what Italy did in the beginning”.   I just looked up when the 
first case of COVID-19 was found in Italy and the US.  Italy was January 30 and 
USA was January 19.

Everybody keeps acting like it’s just getting to the US but it’s been here for 
almost 2 months now.  Italy has an older population and apparently 21% of the 
entire population are smokers.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Claude Aiken 
; Trina Coffey ; WISPA General List 
; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

This is from a dr. In norther Italy.

TRINA AND CLAUDE PLEASE READ THIS.

https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:48 PM Trina Coffey 
mailto:tcof...@wispa.org>> wrote:
Matt

Thank you for the rousing endorsement of my competency.  I insure all of our 
shows.  There are no current factors that fall under an insurable event for 
this show.  Please understand that while you may not personally agree with or 
understand all of the factors that go into a decision, I ALWAYS make decisions 
with the best interest of our membership at the forefront of my mind.  That 
being said there are many factors that you are either not aware of or do not 
understand that went into the decision that this organization has made.  You 
have cancelled your registration,  so please afford those who have chosen to 
come Dallas the respect that they have made the best decision for themselves.  
It may differ from yours but that does not make it wrong.  We are all adults 
and are perfectly capable of making this decision for ourselves.

Trina Coffey
Vice President of Events & Operations
WISPA
407-319-0051

On 3/11/20, 6:25 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:

"Almost all of our attendees and vendors are interested in continuing
the show, which means the show will go on. We have made significant
financial and operational commitments in reliance on attendee which has
not waned. Out of an abundance of caution we have put in place many
safety protocols to minimize the likelihood of COVID-19 and/or other
infectious disease transmission.

Since the show is continuing, we must stick to our stated policies of
not offering refunds. We have already made financial and operational
commitments in reliance on your participation in the show, and that
means we have to stick to our policies. I hope you can understand."

INTERPRETATION:  WISPA can not cancel this show no matter what, because
we need the income to pay for the show, which is already reserved.We
most likely don't have event insurance either.  So while we understand
your concerns, we are extremely sorry but there's just no way we can
refund your money and we are going to expose everyone who comes to an
ever increasing risk.   Please understand, money comes before safety.

On 3/11/20 4:25 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
> Trina, can you let us know the WISPA’s position of refunding conference
> fees?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry Bickle
>
> President
>

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This is from a dr. In norther Italy.

TRINA AND CLAUDE PLEASE READ THIS.

https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797


-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:48 PM Trina Coffey  wrote:

> Matt
>
> Thank you for the rousing endorsement of my competency.  I insure all of
> our shows.  There are no current factors that fall under an insurable event
> for this show.  Please understand that while you may not personally agree
> with or understand all of the factors that go into a decision, I ALWAYS
> make decisions with the best interest of our membership at the forefront of
> my mind.  That being said there are many factors that you are either not
> aware of or do not understand that went into the decision that this
> organization has made.  You have cancelled your registration,  so please
> afford those who have chosen to come Dallas the respect that they have made
> the best decision for themselves.  It may differ from yours but that does
> not make it wrong.  We are all adults and are perfectly capable of making
> this decision for ourselves.
>
> Trina Coffey
> Vice President of Events & Operations
> WISPA
> 407-319-0051
>
> On 3/11/20, 6:25 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> wrote:
>
> "Almost all of our attendees and vendors are interested in continuing
> the show, which means the show will go on. We have made significant
> financial and operational commitments in reliance on attendee which
> has
> not waned. Out of an abundance of caution we have put in place many
> safety protocols to minimize the likelihood of COVID-19 and/or other
> infectious disease transmission.
>
> Since the show is continuing, we must stick to our stated policies of
> not offering refunds. We have already made financial and operational
> commitments in reliance on your participation in the show, and that
> means we have to stick to our policies. I hope you can understand."
>
>
> INTERPRETATION:  WISPA can not cancel this show no matter what,
> because
> we need the income to pay for the show, which is already reserved.
> We
> most likely don't have event insurance either.  So while we understand
> your concerns, we are extremely sorry but there's just no way we can
> refund your money and we are going to expose everyone who comes to an
> ever increasing risk.   Please understand, money comes before safety.
>
> On 3/11/20 4:25 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
> > Trina, can you let us know the WISPA’s position of refunding
> conference
> > fees?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jerry Bickle
> >
> > President
> >
>
>
> ___
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> memb...@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Haven’t you ever seen the people that prove that potus is a coke addict because 
of his shortness of breath and breathing through his nose during speeches?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

pretty sure potus has it, hes lost his breath 3 times so far. Maybe wISPA ought 
to listen to crazy matt hoppes

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
oh... that sounds beautiful!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:47 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
it will still be there, it will just be a glow in the dark skating rink, just 
toss some sliced potatoes and oil on the glow ice and youll have french fries

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:43 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
hmm... so if we nuke France, we'll have to go back to eating freedom fries 
instead of french fries?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Well, I used to eat freedom fries before my blood sugar issues...

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.

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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7E5.0BCEC790]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

pretty sure potus has it, hes lost his breath 3 times so far. Maybe wISPA
ought to listen to crazy matt hoppes

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> oh... that sounds beautiful!
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:47 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> it will still be there, it will just be a glow in the dark skating rink,
>> just toss some sliced potatoes and oil on the glow ice and youll have
>> french fries
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:43 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hmm... so if we nuke France, we'll have to go back to eating freedom
>>> fries instead of french fries?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:20 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I used to eat freedom fries before my blood sugar issues...
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:17 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>>>
>>>> We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza
>>>>> and french fries?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play
>>>>> it safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington 
>>>>> and
>>>>> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>>>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in
>>>>> or has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it
>>>>> before Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the
>>>>> worst case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to
>>>>> end up like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could
>>>>> it be something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of
>>>>> tourist moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
>>>>> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
>>>>> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
>>>>> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> fear mongering.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot
>>>>> more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you
>>>>> is that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I
>>>>> don't have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing,
>>>>> buy judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that
>>>>> they've tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread
>>>>> and the death rate is much lower.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

oh... that sounds beautiful!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:47 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> it will still be there, it will just be a glow in the dark skating rink,
> just toss some sliced potatoes and oil on the glow ice and youll have
> french fries
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:43 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> hmm... so if we nuke France, we'll have to go back to eating freedom
>> fries instead of french fries?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:20 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I used to eat freedom fries before my blood sugar issues...
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:17 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>>
>>> We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza
>>>> and french fries?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play
>>>> it safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
>>>> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in
>>>> or has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it
>>>> before Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the
>>>> worst case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to
>>>> end up like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could
>>>> it be something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of
>>>> tourist moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
>>>> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
>>>> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
>>>> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
>>>> fear mongering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot
>>>> more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you
>>>> is that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I
>>>> don't have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing,
>>>> buy judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that
>>>> they've tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread
>>>> and the death rate is much lower.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>>>
>>>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>>>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>>>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>>>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>>>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>>>> stretched over time.
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

it will still be there, it will just be a glow in the dark skating rink,
just toss some sliced potatoes and oil on the glow ice and youll have
french fries

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:43 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> hmm... so if we nuke France, we'll have to go back to eating freedom fries
> instead of french fries?
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:20 PM  wrote:
>
>> Well, I used to eat freedom fries before my blood sugar issues...
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:17 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>> We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
>>> french fries?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play
>>> it safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
>>> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in
>>> or has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it
>>> before Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the
>>> worst case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to
>>> end up like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could
>>> it be something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of
>>> tourist moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
>>> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
>>> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
>>> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
>>> fear mongering.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot
>>> more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you
>>> is that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I
>>> don't have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing,
>>> buy judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that
>>> they've tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread
>>> and the death rate is much lower.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>>
>>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>>> stretched over time.
>>>
>>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9e

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

hmm... so if we nuke France, we'll have to go back to eating freedom fries
instead of french fries?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:20 PM  wrote:

> Well, I used to eat freedom fries before my blood sugar issues...
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
>> french fries?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
>> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
>> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
>> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
>> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
>> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
>> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
>> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
>> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
>> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
>> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
>> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
>> fear mongering.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
>> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
>> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
>> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
>> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
>> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
>> death rate is much lower.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>
>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>> stretched over time.
>>
>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Suite 1337
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Well, I used to eat freedom fries before my blood sugar issues...

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

  You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and 
french fries?

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it 
safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or 
has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy 
has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I 
don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  
Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic 
in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the 
country?  Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other 
countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or 
good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to 
turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering. 

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

 It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot 
more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is 
that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't 
have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging 
by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far 
fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is 
much lower.

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

   this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 
1 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  
wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

   Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind 
Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what 
will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get 
it will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we 
flatten the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the 
difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is 
stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the 
curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via 
Wireless  wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 I’m sorry folks but this conference really 
should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision 
yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s 
finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t 
suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong 
both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

We have the knowledge to make our own pizza... we don't need them!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
> -Sean
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

And you'll pay for it with money made on $50k in the stock market.



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I am prepared to make purchases of WISP, cash sale I'll be here in
three weeks.

Please have your P&L statements, customer attrition and gain rates
easily available, and a price in mind when you contact me.

On 3/11/20 4:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> The chinese chart showed an exponential growth for a few weeks then it
> did a decline, almost an exponential decay type of curve.
> But I agree, WISPCON is gonna decimate the industry... so it would be
> good for all of you to attend... I will stay back to take care of things...

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Matt Hoppes

"Almost all of our attendees and vendors are interested in continuing 
the show, which means the show will go on. We have made significant 
financial and operational commitments in reliance on attendee which has 
not waned. Out of an abundance of caution we have put in place many 
safety protocols to minimize the likelihood of COVID-19 and/or other 
infectious disease transmission.


Since the show is continuing, we must stick to our stated policies of 
not offering refunds. We have already made financial and operational 
commitments in reliance on your participation in the show, and that 
means we have to stick to our policies. I hope you can understand."



INTERPRETATION:  WISPA can not cancel this show no matter what, because 
we need the income to pay for the show, which is already reserved.We 
most likely don't have event insurance either.  So while we understand 
your concerns, we are extremely sorry but there's just no way we can 
refund your money and we are going to expose everyone who comes to an 
ever increasing risk.   Please understand, money comes before safety.


On 3/11/20 4:25 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
Trina, can you let us know the WISPA’s position of refunding conference 
fees?


Thanks,

Jerry Bickle

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2020-03-11 Thread Matt Hoppes

I am prepared to make purchases of WISP, cash sale I'll be here in 
three weeks.


Please have your P&L statements, customer attrition and gain rates 
easily available, and a price in mind when you contact me.


On 3/11/20 4:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
The chinese chart showed an exponential growth for a few weeks then it 
did a decline, almost an exponential decay type of curve.
But I agree, WISPCON is gonna decimate the industry... so it would be 
good for all of you to attend... I will stay back to take care of things...


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2020-03-11 Thread Matt Hoppes

Attending the conference sends a strong message that we are selfish and
don't care about anyone but ourselves.

We have a duty to social distance now - for our elderly, for your
healthcare providers, for every neighbor who may need a hospital bed.
Doing your part to slow the spread is showing love and respect to us all.

A key reason to social distance now is to flatten out the peak of the
pandemic. If we all get sick at the same time, many more die. Italy
shows nearly 50 percent of cases needing hospitalization. We have to
slow this down enough to allow any that get it to have a decent shot at
a hospital bed and care. Not just that! We must slow it down so that any
of our neighbors with ANY ailment has a hospital bed available. Those
other ailments don't stop just because of this pandemic.

The longer we can slow the spread, the more we learn about what works
against it. It's more time to get drugs and treatments. More time to
potential develope a vaccine. This may become an endemic and we are not
going to isolate forever. There may be a time when we all go out, but
bow instead of shaking hands. Maybe wearing masks or gloves.

We will find a way to be the free, fearless people we want to be. But
first we must slow the exponential growth, support our healthcare
providers by giving them less patients at once, support our neighbors
when they have milder cases at home, and respect one another by doing
our part to avoid spreading this virus.

Please consider what you can do to show everyone love and respect by
being cautious. No matter the personal risk to you, your neighbor needs
you.

On 3/11/20 3:27 PM, Keefe John via Wireless wrote:
"The WISP industry is a strong and resilient one. We’re dedicated and
fearless. Attending WISPAMERICA sends a strong signal to others in the
communications industry, policymakers and your communities that you will
remain strong even in light of the day’s loud and oftentimes distracting
news coverage and circumstances. The novel coronavirus is not to be
sniffed at, but its risks are manageable – WISPs will not let these
events paralyze their service to customers and the community at large."

Keefe John
CEO
Ethoplex
Direct: 262.345.5200

Ethoplex Business Internet
http://www.ethoplex.com/
Signal Residential Internet
http://www.signalisp.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:09 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

image.png

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be
canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to
pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I
think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t
suffer financially. We need WISPA and our members to be
healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Seems like the answer is just to build a wall around them then and wait.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Wouldn't the Corona Virus do that..?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:06 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.

--
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Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com<http://www.Myakka.com>

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C7.4FA7D790]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C7.4FA7D790]

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Troy, OH 
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Hesk

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

That works

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

canada is still getting glassed, regardless, so ill still get a taste

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:10 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Will that give Steve the glassitrol result he’s looking for though?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Neutron bomb.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.

--
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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com<http://www.Myakka.com>

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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C8.D5BBC430]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C8.D5BBC430]

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Josh Luthman

Wouldn't the Corona Virus do that..?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza
> and fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
> glassitol for you too
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Sean,

But we already took the path of Italy? What have we really done since the first case? People aren't honoring quarantine. Just got a message from the local school board. If anyone in the family goes on a cruise over spring break (kids or teachers), don't bother coming to school for 14 days. Do you really think those people are going to sit at home for 14 days and watch netflix. No way they will be at universal, Busch Gardens, Disney, etc. They are just going to treat it as an extra 2 weeks of spring break.

This will be abused greatly. I think most companies are going to be pressured to pay employees that have to go in quarantine. Once that happens everyone in the country will start taking their new found 14 day vacation. Need a doctors note, just call Dr. Nick (Simpsons Reference) and he'll write you a note.

Don't get me wrong we should be concerned about this. We should be taking reasonable precautions. But kicking students out of their dorms rooms with 5 days of notice is a bit extreme.

Once this clears, I would love to see a study done on Italy. They are just off the charts. It just blew up over there. It was like a perfect storm. It came in so fast and hard, I don't think there was any reasonable way for them to slow it down.

--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 5:48:28 PM, you wrote:

Mark,

If we take the oath of China and Germany (testing, quarantine and social distancing) then we won’t look like Italy. But if we stay on our current path we will look like Italy or even Iran.

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> wrote:

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal. This virus is in or has been in 121 countries. Several of those countries have had it before Italy has had its first. By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case. I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy. Why is Italy so bad? Could it be the weather? Could it be something genetic in their DNA? Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country? Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries? Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye? Many, many, many factors. But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering.

--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

Yup great site josh! We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity. 20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of care. There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve. The same number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all pull together

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

canada is still getting glassed, regardless, so ill still get a taste


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:10 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Will that give Steve the glassitrol result he’s looking for though?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Neutron bomb.
>
>
>
> *From:* James Howard
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:05 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza
> and fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
> glassitol for you too
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Suite 1337
> <htt

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread castarritt .

How about a bio weapon, maybe one that presents like influenza?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza
> and fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
> glassitol for you too
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I always wanted to make a massive pulse magnet that would shift the iron
elements in the body just enough to shred the cell walls. If you can design
it, then you can keep your food

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza
> and fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
> glassitol for you too
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Will that give Steve the glassitrol result he’s looking for though?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Neutron bomb.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com<http://www.Myakka.com>

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C7.D352CFF0]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C7.D352CFF0]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
Suite 
1337<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
Troy, OH 
45373<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
e

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I’ve never been there but have been told that in Italy the term “public 
restroom” means wherever you happen to be standing on the street at the time.  
The streets are their trash/compost areas……  why wash your fingers after 
pooping if you’re walking through it all the time anyway?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I keep sayin’ some cultures just don’t wanna wash their fingers after pooping.

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com<http://www.Myakka.com>

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[X]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[X]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
Suite 
1337<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
Troy, OH 
45373<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Neutron bomb.  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

  You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and 
french fries?

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it 
safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or 
has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy 
has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I 
don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  
Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic 
in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the 
country?  Could it be the locals do more cash transactions than other 
countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss each other with every hello or 
good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to 
turn out like Italy is just part of the fear mongering. 

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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

 It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot 
more meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is 
that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't 
have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging 
by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far 
fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is 
much lower.

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

   this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 
1 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  
wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

   Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind 
Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what 
will happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get 
it will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we 
flatten the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the 
difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is 
stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the 
curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via 
Wireless  wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 I’m sorry folks but this conference really 
should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision 
yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s 
finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t 
suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our memb

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Can’t we find a method that vaporizes all the people but leaves the pizza and 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area, 
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.

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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com<http://www.Myakka.com>

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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C7.4FA7D790]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C7.4FA7D790]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
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Suite 
1337<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
Troy, OH 
45373<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.b

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

are you questioning me? where are you at? I suspect kungflu in your area,
glassitol for you too

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and
> french fries?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
> safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
> california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmericaI keep sayin’ some cultures just 
don’t wanna wash their fingers after pooping.

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering. 

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

 It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

   this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  
wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

   Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will 
happen is our hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it 
will need ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten 
the curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the 
difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is 
stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via 
Wireless  wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

 I’m sorry folks but this conference really 
should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision 
yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s 
finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t 
suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong 
both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

You can’t nuke Italy and France.  How would we survive without pizza and french 
fries?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it safe, 
this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and 
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or has 
been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before Italy has 
had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst case.  I don't 
think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up like Italy.  Why is 
Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be something genetic in their 
DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist moving though the country?  Could 
it be the locals do more cash transactions than other countries?  Could it be 
they almost french kiss each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, 
many factors.  But just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is 
just part of the fear mongering.

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com<http://www.Myakka.com>

--

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more 
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is that 
lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't have any 
idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy judging by the 
number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've tested far fewer 
people that other countries where it's widespread and the death rate is much 
lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[cid:image001.png@01D5F7C5.C1AA5040]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[cid:image002.png@01D5F7C5.C1AA5040]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
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Suite 
1337<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
Troy, OH 
45373<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Best to just nuke italy, turn it and france to glass. its best to play it
safe, this is too dangerous not to nuke them, and canada. washington and
california... glass them. Glassitol is the only cure

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Mark,

If we take the oath of China and Germany (testing, quarantine and social
distancing) then we won’t look like Italy.  But if we stay on our current
path we will look like Italy or even Iran.

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
> fear mongering.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
>
> Office:
> 937-552-2340
>
> Direct:
> 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

*take the path not oath (damn you autocorrect)

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:48 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> If we take the oath of China and Germany (testing, quarantine and social
> distancing) then we won’t look like Italy.  But if we stay on our current
> path we will look like Italy or even Iran.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:46 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
>> Why must we assume Italy is going to be then normal.  This virus is in or
>> has been in 121 countries.  Several of those countries have had it before
>> Italy has had its first.  By far Italy on a percentage basis is the worst
>> case.  I don't think it is fair to declare everyone one is going to end up
>> like Italy.  Why is Italy so bad?  Could it be the weather?  Could it be
>> something genetic in their DNA?  Could it be the large amount of tourist
>> moving though the country?  Could it be the locals do more cash
>> transactions than other countries?  Could it be they almost french kiss
>> each other with every hello or good bye?  Many, many, many factors.  But
>> just to assume everyone is going to turn out like Italy is just part of the
>> fear mongering.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
>> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
>> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
>> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
>> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
>> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
>> death rate is much lower.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>
>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>> stretched over time.
>>
>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>>
>> Office:
>> 937-552-2340
>>
>> Direct:
>> 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 4:28:30 PM, you wrote:

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

Yup great site josh! We are about 9 days behind Italy.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,
-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Carl Peterson

Josh,  Not sure why you would display it with "Other Locations" filtered
and I'm not sure what your point it re recoveries.  That the vast majority
who contract this will get better?  No one contests that.  Clearly China's
containment, although it would seem draconian here, has been effective in
flattening their curve somewhat.  In the US we are at the very beginning of
what will be a rapid rise in cases (1135 confirmed as of today) and have an
opportunity to flatten the curve with much less draconian
voluntary measures.
[image: Screen Shot 2020-03-11 at 4.13.21 PM.png]


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:06 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> And the green line.  What is that?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 PM Eric Nielsen  wrote:
>
>> That graph is for mainland China numbers, i believe. Isn’t it?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:07 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers
>>> have almost caught up.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

 The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
 hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
 ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
 curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
 difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
 stretched over time.

 Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

 Thanks for sharing!

 -Sean


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
 wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. 
>>>  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Josh Luthman

And the green line.  What is that?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 PM Eric Nielsen  wrote:

> That graph is for mainland China numbers, i believe. Isn’t it?
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:07 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers have
>> almost caught up.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>>
>>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>>> stretched over time.
>>>
>>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>>

 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


 [image: image.png]

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

the number infected is the spread, thats what all the helmet are saying, is
how fast it will spread. i go by the number that actually matters.

But there is an upside ti wispamerica if this thing spreads as easy as the
lowbrows say it does.

a ton of WISPs will be up for sale at estate liquidations.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:29 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
> meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
> that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
> have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
> judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
> tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
> death rate is much lower.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

 The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
 hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
 ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
 curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
 difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
 stretched over time.

 Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

 Thanks for sharing!

 -Sean


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
 wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> 
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> 
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. 
>>>  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

It seems to me that the number of deaths and critical cases is a lot more
meaningful than the total reported cases... all that really tells you is
that lots of people were or weren't tested in a particular country. I don't
have any idea what's actually going on in Italy as far as testing, buy
judging by the number of deaths and critical cases, I'd guess that they've
tested far fewer people that other countries where it's widespread and the
death rate is much lower.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>>
>>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>>> stretched over time.
>>>
>>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>>

 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


 [image: image.png]

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Mike Hammett

You're about 10 years late on WISPCON. ;-) 




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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:24:14 PM 
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The chinese chart showed an exponential growth for a few weeks then it did a 
decline, almost an exponential decay type of curve. 
But I agree, WISPCON is gonna decimate the industry... so it would be good for 
all of you to attend... I will stay back to take care of things... 




From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 2:17 PM 
To: Josh Luthman ; WISPA General List 
Cc: Members ; Claude Aiken ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Trina Coffey 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E 




On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 




Yup great site josh! We are about 9 days behind Italy. 

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity. 20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care. There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve. The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time. 

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve. 

Thanks for sharing! 

-Sean 




On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless < wirel...@wispa.org 
> wrote: 



https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 






image.png





Josh Luthman 
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Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 




https://www.flattenthecurve.com/ 





On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone. 

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out. 

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially. 


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
 


https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw 

Best regards, 

-Sean 


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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Most people interpret data to mean what they want it to mean…….

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:07 PM
To: Sean Heskett 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Members 
; Trina Coffey ; WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers have 
almost caught up.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>> wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

The chinese chart showed an exponential growth for a few weeks then it did a 
decline, almost an exponential decay type of curve.  
But I agree, WISPCON is gonna decimate the industry... so it would be good for 
all of you to attend... I will stay back to take care of things...

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: Josh Luthman ; WISPA General List 
Cc: Members ; Claude Aiken ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Trina Coffey 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.  

  The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our hospitals 
have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need ICU level of 
care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the curve.  The same 
number of people will probably get the virus, the difference will be that our 
health care system can handle the load if it is stretched over time.

  Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

  Thanks for sharing!

  -Sean

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless 
 wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the 
safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we 
should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We 
need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and 
financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

this really is the only graph that matters if youre picking just 1
[image: image.png]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>
>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>> stretched over time.
>>
>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
> We
> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbyPW8lJX2E


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
 safety of everyone.

 Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

 I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
 should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
 need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
 financially.


 https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

 https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

 Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Eric Nielsen

That graph is for mainland China numbers, i believe. Isn’t it?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:07 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers have
> almost caught up.
>
> Josh Luthman
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> 
> Suite 1337
> 
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> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>>
>> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
>> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
>> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
>> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
>> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
>> stretched over time.
>>
>> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
>> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
> We
> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Josh Luthman

Did you see the graph?  Infection count is flat and recovery numbers have
almost caught up.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.
>
> The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
> hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
> ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
> curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
> difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
> stretched over time.
>
> Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
> wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
 safety of everyone.

 Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

 I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
 should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
 need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
 financially.


 https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

 https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

 Best regards,

 -Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Really guys you have to spew this BS. Were going to be like Italy in a few days, why? How is making this crap up helping anything?

First of all we are not behind Italy. Italy is behind us. First case in US was reported on 1/19. First case in Italy was report on 1/31. So, technically it was here over a week before Italy and had more time to spread. Also, where are you getting the 20% number. Currently only 11% of active case are Serious or Critical and that number has dropped over the last few days. In the US we are currently at 1% Serious or Critical of the active cases. Italy is an exception and should not be consider the normal outcome. We don't know why they are taking it so hard. But look at Canada(1/26) and Australia(1/25). Just like the US, both of these countries had their first case before Italy.

Look at Germany(1/27), they have more cases than the US in a shorter time frame. But currently they only have 3 deaths and only 9 Serious or Critical. Apparently they take care of their elders.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 3:29:55 PM, you wrote:

Yup great site josh! We are about 9 days behind Italy.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Yup great site josh!  We are about 9 days behind Italy.

The cases grow exponentially every day and what will happen is our
hospitals have no surge capacity.  20% of the people who get it will need
ICU level of care.  There isn’t capacity for that unless we flatten the
curve.  The same number of people will probably get the virus, the
difference will be that our health care system can handle the load if it is
stretched over time.

Social distancing is the only way to flatten the curve.

Thanks for sharing!

-Sean


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman via Wireless <
wirel...@wispa.org> wrote:

>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>> safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread David Hannum

What should be canceled is the hysteria going on around this.
That's all I've got to say about that . . .

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety 
> of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
> pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA 
> and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

2020-02-13 Thread Mathew Howard

They sell via distributor channels.
They do offer pretty significant discounts with minimum purchase
agreements, so they certainly have some margin to work with.

Interestingly, they've been passing along the tariff costs, so I can make a
pretty good guess at what the distributors are paying, and it looks to me
like it's approximately 45% off MSRP (I'm assuming that the tariff charge
is 10% of what the distributor is paying).

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 4:32 PM  wrote:

> Do they sell direct or via a distributor channel?
> You can assume a channel partner gets 25%
> I would assume their margin is above 60%.
> So take off 25%, then take off 60% from that figure and you will be close
> to their cost.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2020 2:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation
>
> Yeah, I suspect that 50% off MSRP is somewhere close to their cost, or a
> bit below - keep in mind that it's not actually 50% off, it's 50% off MSRP,
> and nobody pay more than MSRP-20% to begin with (and a lot of people are
> paying less than that).
> They aren't asking for the old radios back, so they obviously aren't
> planning to try selling them in a non-FCC market. I suppose anybody that
> has these things is free to do that, but even if somebody can find a use
> for them, once you deal with shipping to another country, I don't imagine
> there'd be a lot of value.
>
> Fortunately, I had the sense to switch to the gen 2 radios as soon as they
> started selling them, so this is having relatively little affect on us.
> Baicells has been saying for quite awhile now that they might not be able
> to get the gen 1 radios certified for CBRS, so it's not like this just came
> out of nowhere...
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:20 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'm betting they would have a hard time eating the costs of thousands of
>> CPE.  Even 50% off is probably tough for them to eat since CPE hardware
>> doesn't often have a large margin.  I suppose there might be a non-FCC
>> market where they could unload a bunch of refurbished R9 CPE.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong.  They *should* find a way to make it right.
>>
>> In any case I'm glad I'm not a Baicells customer right now.
>>
>>
>> On 2/13/2020 2:59 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> > See, and that's how you build brand loyalty.
>> >
>> > On 2/13/20 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> >> I forgot to put weep holes or the holes got plugged during assembly
>> >> of my first runs of super stingers.
>> >> The antennas would fill with water after some time.
>> >> I felt so bad and embarrassed that I also paid customers for their
>> >> truck roll to replace them.
>> >> Somehow that took away their anger...
>> >> And I don't recall it costing all that much.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Many years ago I sent a programmer to Tokyo to replace about 2000 OTP
>> >> mcu chips in dialers I was making at the time.
>> >> That one was expensive.  I think the chips cost me $20K and the
>> >> flight was $2K and I was really struggling at the time.
>> >> The programmer was not happy but I had told him to never use a goto
>> >> in C.
>> >> He did and had a stack overflow because of it...
>> >>
>> >> I would never be able to sleep if I left a customer with a loss of
>> >> some kind.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:33 PM
>> >> To: memb...@wispa.org ; Clay Stewart
>> >> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action
>> Investigation
>> >>
>> >> There's no requirement to use the BaiCells OMC and EPC.
>> >>
>> >> When Ubiquiti royally screwed up the ToughCable situation, what did
>> they
>> >> do?  They shipped out replacement ToughCable at absolutely no cost to
>> >> the end-user.  They acknowledged their screw up and they made it right.
>> >>   In some cases they even shipped extra boxes of cable to "cover the
>> >> time" for labor.
>> >>
>> >> What did BaiCells do?  Basically said "yeah sorry... here buy some new
>> >> stuff".
>> >>
>> >> That's the difference in these two situations.
>> >>
>> >> On 2/13/20 2:27 PM, Clay Ste

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

2020-02-13 Thread chuck

Do they sell direct or via a distributor channel?
You can assume a channel partner gets 25%
I would assume their margin is above 60%.
So take off 25%, then take off 60% from that figure and you will be close to 
their cost.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 2:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

Yeah, I suspect that 50% off MSRP is somewhere close to their cost, or a bit 
below - keep in mind that it's not actually 50% off, it's 50% off MSRP, and 
nobody pay more than MSRP-20% to begin with (and a lot of people are paying 
less than that). 

They aren't asking for the old radios back, so they obviously aren't planning 
to try selling them in a non-FCC market. I suppose anybody that has these 
things is free to do that, but even if somebody can find a use for them, once 
you deal with shipping to another country, I don't imagine there'd be a lot of 
value.

Fortunately, I had the sense to switch to the gen 2 radios as soon as they 
started selling them, so this is having relatively little affect on us. 
Baicells has been saying for quite awhile now that they might not be able to 
get the gen 1 radios certified for CBRS, so it's not like this just came out of 
nowhere...

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:20 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I'm betting they would have a hard time eating the costs of thousands of 
  CPE.  Even 50% off is probably tough for them to eat since CPE hardware 
  doesn't often have a large margin.  I suppose there might be a non-FCC 
  market where they could unload a bunch of refurbished R9 CPE.

  Don't get me wrong.  They *should* find a way to make it right.

  In any case I'm glad I'm not a Baicells customer right now.

  On 2/13/2020 2:59 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  > See, and that's how you build brand loyalty.
  >
  > On 2/13/20 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  >> I forgot to put weep holes or the holes got plugged during assembly 
  >> of my first runs of super stingers.
  >> The antennas would fill with water after some time.
  >> I felt so bad and embarrassed that I also paid customers for their 
  >> truck roll to replace them.
  >> Somehow that took away their anger...
  >> And I don't recall it costing all that much.
  >>
  >>
  >> Many years ago I sent a programmer to Tokyo to replace about 2000 OTP 
  >> mcu chips in dialers I was making at the time.
  >> That one was expensive.  I think the chips cost me $20K and the 
  >> flight was $2K and I was really struggling at the time.
  >> The programmer was not happy but I had told him to never use a goto 
  >> in C.
  >> He did and had a stack overflow because of it...
  >>
  >> I would never be able to sleep if I left a customer with a loss of 
  >> some kind.
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
  >> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:33 PM
  >> To: memb...@wispa.org ; Clay Stewart
  >> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation
  >>
  >> There's no requirement to use the BaiCells OMC and EPC.
  >>
  >> When Ubiquiti royally screwed up the ToughCable situation, what did they
  >> do?  They shipped out replacement ToughCable at absolutely no cost to
  >> the end-user.  They acknowledged their screw up and they made it right.
  >>   In some cases they even shipped extra boxes of cable to "cover the
  >> time" for labor.
  >>
  >> What did BaiCells do?  Basically said "yeah sorry... here buy some new
  >> stuff".
  >>
  >> That's the difference in these two situations.
  >>
  >> On 2/13/20 2:27 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
  >>> Let's think, let's damage a WISP supporting innovative company 
  >>> (which are rare), that would affect our LTE *entire* investment, not 
  >>> just a small percentage of our Baicell investment, the 2-3-year-old 
  >>> CPEs... filling out a survey from an undisclosed source. Not a 
  >>> bright idea in my opinion. FCC created this timing issue, not 
  >>> Baicells, not Telrad, they created the specifications for connecting 
  >>> to SAS, not Baicells or Telrad.
  >>>
  >>> I have always been against bashing the companies that support us, 
  >>> having watched UBNT for example occasionally getting bashed over the 
  >>> last decade off and on, and watching the stock hits and impacts on 
  >>> R&D and sales (OS issues, recalls, illegal knock offs)... not sure 
  >>> if our industry can withstand a hit against our complete LTE 
  >>> investm

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

2020-02-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

The weird thing, if I remember right, was that the 3 connector sector was
priced lower than the 2 connector one.  They must have bought a boatload of
them or something.

Also if I remember right, they took so long trying to do it that customers
finally told them just stop, we don't even want that anymore, the world has
moved on.  By "customers" I probably mean "JAB".


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

We have quite a few of those 450's with the useless 3rd nipple labeled
"FSK".

We ended up getting connectorized FSK AP's and plugging them into the 3rd
port on the antenna.

Not quite the same situation, but yeah that did leave a sour taste in the
mouth.


On 2/13/2020 4:12 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> Maybe not a complete apples to apples comparison
>
> How many of you here recall when the Cambium investors purchased the
Canopy and Ortho divisions from Motorola?
> What was one of the first things promised at the new Cambium HQ?
>
> OFDM and FSK Combined.
> Recall all the promises as many of us kept buying?   Did it ever happen?
>
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> From: members-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:32 PM
> To: memb...@wispa.org; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation
>
> http://www.baicellsclassaction.com
>
> WHO DOES THIS INVESTIGATION AFFECT?
>
> Companies and Persons who purchased BaiCells Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035, CW0100,
CN6671) between inception and February of 2020.
>
> WHAT'S GOING ON?
> Investigation is taking place regarding allegations that BaiCells  made
promises beginning as far back as 2016 regarding the Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035,
CW0100, CN6671) that these CPEs would be compliant with and usable with the
new FCC CBRS rules without needing to swap out any
> hardware or buy new equipment.Many Internet Service Providers
> purchased this equipment, investing hundreds of thousands of dollars,
based on numerous promises made in official public forums and documentation
to this affect.
>
> Around the beginning of February (and with only 60 days to the  final CBRS
transition period) BaiCells informed all ISPs that the Atom  R9 CPEs
(EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) would not be CBRS compatible due to reasons that
BaiCells has not explained.
>
> BaiCells then offered a swap offer giving 50% off MSRP.
> Internet Service Providers argue that such provisions at the 11th  hour of
the FCC CBRS rule changes, coupled with supply shortages due to  the large
about of radios that Internet Service Providers will need to purchase, the
CoronaVirus supply chain shortages, and the need to visit every customer
physically and swap radios will produce an undue hardship
>on them as well as render the need to purchase additional equipment
after investing thousands of dollars based on promises made by official
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

What BaiCells has been saying is "yeah we're still trying, we hope we 
can do something"... basically stringing us along.

On 2/13/20 4:19 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, I suspect that 50% off MSRP is somewhere close to their cost, or a 
bit below - keep in mind that it's not actually 50% off, it's 50% off 
MSRP, and nobody pay more than MSRP-20% to begin with (and a lot of 
people are paying less than that).
They aren't asking for the old radios back, so they obviously aren't 
planning to try selling them in a non-FCC market. I suppose anybody that 
has these things is free to do that, but even if somebody can find a use 
for them, once you deal with shipping to another country, I don't 
imagine there'd be a lot of value.

Fortunately, I had the sense to switch to the gen 2 radios as soon as 
they started selling them, so this is having relatively little affect on 
us. Baicells has been saying for quite awhile now that they might not be 
able to get the gen 1 radios certified for CBRS, so it's not like this 
just came out of nowhere...

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:20 PM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm betting they would have a hard time eating the costs of
thousands of
CPE.  Even 50% off is probably tough for them to eat since CPE hardware
doesn't often have a large margin.  I suppose there might be a non-FCC
market where they could unload a bunch of refurbished R9 CPE.

Don't get me wrong.  They *should* find a way to make it right.

In any case I'm glad I'm not a Baicells customer right now.

On 2/13/2020 2:59 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 > See, and that's how you build brand loyalty.
 >
 > On 2/13/20 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
 >> I forgot to put weep holes or the holes got plugged during assembly
 >> of my first runs of super stingers.
 >> The antennas would fill with water after some time.
 >> I felt so bad and embarrassed that I also paid customers for their
 >> truck roll to replace them.
 >> Somehow that took away their anger...
 >> And I don't recall it costing all that much.
 >>
 >>
 >> Many years ago I sent a programmer to Tokyo to replace about
2000 OTP
 >> mcu chips in dialers I was making at the time.
 >> That one was expensive.  I think the chips cost me $20K and the
 >> flight was $2K and I was really struggling at the time.
 >> The programmer was not happy but I had told him to never use a goto
 >> in C.
 >> He did and had a stack overflow because of it...
 >>
 >> I would never be able to sleep if I left a customer with a loss of
 >> some kind.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
 >> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:33 PM
 >> To: memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org> ; Clay Stewart
 >> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action
Investigation
 >>
 >> There's no requirement to use the BaiCells OMC and EPC.
 >>
 >> When Ubiquiti royally screwed up the ToughCable situation, what
did they
 >> do?  They shipped out replacement ToughCable at absolutely no
cost to
 >> the end-user.  They acknowledged their screw up and they made it
right.
 >>   In some cases they even shipped extra boxes of cable to "cover the
 >> time" for labor.
 >>
 >> What did BaiCells do?  Basically said "yeah sorry... here buy
some new
 >> stuff".
 >>
 >> That's the difference in these two situations.
 >>
 >> On 2/13/20 2:27 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
 >>> Let's think, let's damage a WISP supporting innovative company
 >>> (which are rare), that would affect our LTE *entire*
investment, not
 >>> just a small percentage of our Baicell investment, the
2-3-year-old
 >>> CPEs... filling out a survey from an undisclosed source. Not a
 >>> bright idea in my opinion. FCC created this timing issue, not
 >>> Baicells, not Telrad, they created the specifications for
connecting
 >>> to SAS, not Baicells or Telrad.
 >>>
 >>> I have always been against bashing the companies that support us,
 >>> having watched UBNT for example occasionally getting bashed
over the
 >>> last decade off and on, and watching the stock hits and impacts on
 >>> R&D and sales (OS issues, recalls, illegal knock offs)... not

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

2020-02-13 Thread Mathew Howard

Yeah, I suspect that 50% off MSRP is somewhere close to their cost, or a
bit below - keep in mind that it's not actually 50% off, it's 50% off MSRP,
and nobody pay more than MSRP-20% to begin with (and a lot of people are
paying less than that).
They aren't asking for the old radios back, so they obviously aren't
planning to try selling them in a non-FCC market. I suppose anybody that
has these things is free to do that, but even if somebody can find a use
for them, once you deal with shipping to another country, I don't imagine
there'd be a lot of value.

Fortunately, I had the sense to switch to the gen 2 radios as soon as they
started selling them, so this is having relatively little affect on us.
Baicells has been saying for quite awhile now that they might not be able
to get the gen 1 radios certified for CBRS, so it's not like this just came
out of nowhere...


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:20 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm betting they would have a hard time eating the costs of thousands of
> CPE.  Even 50% off is probably tough for them to eat since CPE hardware
> doesn't often have a large margin.  I suppose there might be a non-FCC
> market where they could unload a bunch of refurbished R9 CPE.
>
> Don't get me wrong.  They *should* find a way to make it right.
>
> In any case I'm glad I'm not a Baicells customer right now.
>
>
> On 2/13/2020 2:59 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > See, and that's how you build brand loyalty.
> >
> > On 2/13/20 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> I forgot to put weep holes or the holes got plugged during assembly
> >> of my first runs of super stingers.
> >> The antennas would fill with water after some time.
> >> I felt so bad and embarrassed that I also paid customers for their
> >> truck roll to replace them.
> >> Somehow that took away their anger...
> >> And I don't recall it costing all that much.
> >>
> >>
> >> Many years ago I sent a programmer to Tokyo to replace about 2000 OTP
> >> mcu chips in dialers I was making at the time.
> >> That one was expensive.  I think the chips cost me $20K and the
> >> flight was $2K and I was really struggling at the time.
> >> The programmer was not happy but I had told him to never use a goto
> >> in C.
> >> He did and had a stack overflow because of it...
> >>
> >> I would never be able to sleep if I left a customer with a loss of
> >> some kind.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:33 PM
> >> To: memb...@wispa.org ; Clay Stewart
> >> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation
> >>
> >> There's no requirement to use the BaiCells OMC and EPC.
> >>
> >> When Ubiquiti royally screwed up the ToughCable situation, what did they
> >> do?  They shipped out replacement ToughCable at absolutely no cost to
> >> the end-user.  They acknowledged their screw up and they made it right.
> >>   In some cases they even shipped extra boxes of cable to "cover the
> >> time" for labor.
> >>
> >> What did BaiCells do?  Basically said "yeah sorry... here buy some new
> >> stuff".
> >>
> >> That's the difference in these two situations.
> >>
> >> On 2/13/20 2:27 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
> >>> Let's think, let's damage a WISP supporting innovative company
> >>> (which are rare), that would affect our LTE *entire* investment, not
> >>> just a small percentage of our Baicell investment, the 2-3-year-old
> >>> CPEs... filling out a survey from an undisclosed source. Not a
> >>> bright idea in my opinion. FCC created this timing issue, not
> >>> Baicells, not Telrad, they created the specifications for connecting
> >>> to SAS, not Baicells or Telrad.
> >>>
> >>> I have always been against bashing the companies that support us,
> >>> having watched UBNT for example occasionally getting bashed over the
> >>> last decade off and on, and watching the stock hits and impacts on
> >>> R&D and sales (OS issues, recalls, illegal knock offs)... not sure
> >>> if our industry can withstand a hit against our complete LTE
> >>> investment. But maybe pushing for another solution from FCC/SAS
> >>> first and Baiscells second.
> >>>
> >>> This action is short-sighted, is my current option.
> >>>
> >>>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

2020-02-13 Thread Adam Moffett

We have quite a few of those 450's with the useless 3rd nipple labeled 
"FSK".


We ended up getting connectorized FSK AP's and plugging them into the 
3rd port on the antenna.


Not quite the same situation, but yeah that did leave a sour taste in 
the mouth.



On 2/13/2020 4:12 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:

Maybe not a complete apples to apples comparison

How many of you here recall when the Cambium investors purchased the Canopy and 
Ortho divisions from Motorola?
What was one of the first things promised at the new Cambium HQ?

OFDM and FSK Combined.
Recall all the promises as many of us kept buying?   Did it ever happen?

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131
   
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

http://www.baicellsclassaction.com

WHO DOES THIS INVESTIGATION AFFECT?

Companies and Persons who purchased BaiCells Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035, CW0100, 
CN6671) between inception and February of 2020.

WHAT'S GOING ON?
Investigation is taking place regarding allegations that BaiCells  made 
promises beginning as far back as 2016 regarding the Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035, 
CW0100, CN6671) that these CPEs would be compliant with and usable with the new 
FCC CBRS rules without needing to swap out any
hardware or buy new equipment.Many Internet Service Providers
purchased this equipment, investing hundreds of thousands of dollars, based on 
numerous promises made in official public forums and documentation to this 
affect.

Around the beginning of February (and with only 60 days to the  final CBRS 
transition period) BaiCells informed all ISPs that the Atom  R9 CPEs (EG7035, 
CW0100, CN6671) would not be CBRS compatible due to reasons that BaiCells has 
not explained.

BaiCells then offered a swap offer giving 50% off MSRP.
Internet Service Providers argue that such provisions at the 11th  hour of the 
FCC CBRS rule changes, coupled with supply shortages due to  the large about of 
radios that Internet Service Providers will need to purchase, the CoronaVirus 
supply chain shortages, and the need to visit every customer physically and 
swap radios will produce an undue hardship
   on them as well as render the need to purchase additional equipment after 
investing thousands of dollars based on promises made by official BaiCells 
representatives.
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

2020-02-13 Thread Mike Meluskey

Cambium 450m

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
> 
> Maybe not a complete apples to apples comparison
> 
> How many of you here recall when the Cambium investors purchased the Canopy 
> and Ortho divisions from Motorola?
> What was one of the first things promised at the new Cambium HQ?
> 
> OFDM and FSK Combined.  
> Recall all the promises as many of us kept buying?   Did it ever happen?
> 
> Tyson Burris, President 
> Internet Communications Inc. 
> 739 Commerce Dr. 
> Franklin, IN 46131 
>   
> Office # 317-738-0320 
> Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 
> Online: www.surfici.net 
> 
> 
> What can ICI do for you? 
> 
> Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - 
> Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. 
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> From: members-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of Matt 
> Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:32 PM
> To: memb...@wispa.org; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation
> 
> http://www.baicellsclassaction.com
> 
> WHO DOES THIS INVESTIGATION AFFECT?
> 
> Companies and Persons who purchased BaiCells Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035, CW0100, 
> CN6671) between inception and February of 2020.
> 
> WHAT'S GOING ON?
> Investigation is taking place regarding allegations that BaiCells  made 
> promises beginning as far back as 2016 regarding the Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035, 
> CW0100, CN6671) that these CPEs would be compliant with and usable with the 
> new FCC CBRS rules without needing to swap out any
> hardware or buy new equipment.Many Internet Service Providers 
> purchased this equipment, investing hundreds of thousands of dollars, based 
> on numerous promises made in official public forums and documentation to this 
> affect.
> 
> Around the beginning of February (and with only 60 days to the  final CBRS 
> transition period) BaiCells informed all ISPs that the Atom  R9 CPEs (EG7035, 
> CW0100, CN6671) would not be CBRS compatible due to reasons that BaiCells has 
> not explained.
> 
> BaiCells then offered a swap offer giving 50% off MSRP.
> Internet Service Providers argue that such provisions at the 11th  hour of 
> the FCC CBRS rule changes, coupled with supply shortages due to  the large 
> about of radios that Internet Service Providers will need to purchase, the 
> CoronaVirus supply chain shortages, and the need to visit every customer 
> physically and swap radios will produce an undue hardship
>  on them as well as render the need to purchase additional equipment after 
> investing thousands of dollars based on promises made by official BaiCells 
> representatives.
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

2020-02-13 Thread Tyson Burris

Maybe not a complete apples to apples comparison

How many of you here recall when the Cambium investors purchased the Canopy and 
Ortho divisions from Motorola?
What was one of the first things promised at the new Cambium HQ?

OFDM and FSK Combined.  
Recall all the promises as many of us kept buying?   Did it ever happen?

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
Office # 317-738-0320 
Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 
Online: www.surfici.net 


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From: members-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of Matt 
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

http://www.baicellsclassaction.com

WHO DOES THIS INVESTIGATION AFFECT?

Companies and Persons who purchased BaiCells Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035, CW0100, 
CN6671) between inception and February of 2020.

WHAT'S GOING ON?
Investigation is taking place regarding allegations that BaiCells  made 
promises beginning as far back as 2016 regarding the Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035, 
CW0100, CN6671) that these CPEs would be compliant with and usable with the new 
FCC CBRS rules without needing to swap out any 
hardware or buy new equipment.Many Internet Service Providers 
purchased this equipment, investing hundreds of thousands of dollars, based on 
numerous promises made in official public forums and documentation to this 
affect.

Around the beginning of February (and with only 60 days to the  final CBRS 
transition period) BaiCells informed all ISPs that the Atom  R9 CPEs (EG7035, 
CW0100, CN6671) would not be CBRS compatible due to reasons that BaiCells has 
not explained.

BaiCells then offered a swap offer giving 50% off MSRP.
Internet Service Providers argue that such provisions at the 11th  hour of the 
FCC CBRS rule changes, coupled with supply shortages due to  the large about of 
radios that Internet Service Providers will need to purchase, the CoronaVirus 
supply chain shortages, and the need to visit every customer physically and 
swap radios will produce an undue hardship
  on them as well as render the need to purchase additional equipment after 
investing thousands of dollars based on promises made by official BaiCells 
representatives.
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

2020-02-13 Thread Adam Moffett

I'm betting they would have a hard time eating the costs of thousands of 
CPE.  Even 50% off is probably tough for them to eat since CPE hardware 
doesn't often have a large margin.  I suppose there might be a non-FCC 
market where they could unload a bunch of refurbished R9 CPE.


Don't get me wrong.  They *should* find a way to make it right.

In any case I'm glad I'm not a Baicells customer right now.


On 2/13/2020 2:59 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

See, and that's how you build brand loyalty.

On 2/13/20 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I forgot to put weep holes or the holes got plugged during assembly 
of my first runs of super stingers.

The antennas would fill with water after some time.
I felt so bad and embarrassed that I also paid customers for their 
truck roll to replace them.

Somehow that took away their anger...
And I don't recall it costing all that much.


Many years ago I sent a programmer to Tokyo to replace about 2000 OTP 
mcu chips in dialers I was making at the time.
That one was expensive.  I think the chips cost me $20K and the 
flight was $2K and I was really struggling at the time.
The programmer was not happy but I had told him to never use a goto 
in C.

He did and had a stack overflow because of it...

I would never be able to sleep if I left a customer with a loss of 
some kind.


-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:33 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org ; Clay Stewart
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

There's no requirement to use the BaiCells OMC and EPC.

When Ubiquiti royally screwed up the ToughCable situation, what did they
do?  They shipped out replacement ToughCable at absolutely no cost to
the end-user.  They acknowledged their screw up and they made it right.
  In some cases they even shipped extra boxes of cable to "cover the
time" for labor.

What did BaiCells do?  Basically said "yeah sorry... here buy some new
stuff".

That's the difference in these two situations.

On 2/13/20 2:27 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Let's think, let's damage a WISP supporting innovative company 
(which are rare), that would affect our LTE *entire* investment, not 
just a small percentage of our Baicell investment, the 2-3-year-old 
CPEs... filling out a survey from an undisclosed source. Not a 
bright idea in my opinion. FCC created this timing issue, not 
Baicells, not Telrad, they created the specifications for connecting 
to SAS, not Baicells or Telrad.


I have always been against bashing the companies that support us, 
having watched UBNT for example occasionally getting bashed over the 
last decade off and on, and watching the stock hits and impacts on 
R&D and sales (OS issues, recalls, illegal knock offs)... not sure 
if our industry can withstand a hit against our complete LTE 
investment. But maybe pushing for another solution from FCC/SAS 
first and Baiscells second.


This action is short-sighted, is my current option.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:32 PM Matt Hoppes 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:


    http://www.baicellsclassaction.com

    WHO DOES THIS INVESTIGATION AFFECT?

    Companies and Persons who purchased BaiCells Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035,
    CW0100, CN6671) between inception and February of 2020.

    WHAT'S GOING ON?
    Investigation is taking place regarding allegations that 
BaiCells made

    promises beginning as far back as 2016 regarding the Atom R9 CPEs
    (EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) that these CPEs would be compliant with 
and

    usable with the new FCC CBRS rules without needing to swap out any
    hardware or buy new equipment.    Many Internet Service Providers
    purchased this equipment, investing hundreds of thousands of 
dollars,

    based on numerous promises made in official public forums and
    documentation to this affect.

    Around the beginning of February (and with only 60 days to the  
final
    CBRS transition period) BaiCells informed all ISPs that the 
Atom  R9

    CPEs (EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) would not be CBRS compatible due to
    reasons that BaiCells has not explained.

    BaiCells then offered a swap offer giving 50% off MSRP.
    Internet Service Providers argue that such provisions at the 
11th hour
    of the FCC CBRS rule changes, coupled with supply shortages due 
to the

    large about of radios that Internet Service Providers will need to
    purchase, the CoronaVirus supply chain shortages, and the need 
to visit

    every customer physically and swap radios will produce an undue
    hardship
   on them as well as render the need to purchase additional 
equipment
    after investing thousands of dollars based on promises made by 
official

    BaiCells representatives.
    ___
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    mem

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

There are lots of ways this could have been resolved... the way it was, 
was not one of them.


On 2/13/20 3:08 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Doesn't change the simple fact that bashing any WISP Industry supporting 
vendor publically is good for the WISP industry. There are other venues. 
In this case for example, the failure of the FCC SAS design not to take 
in architecture that was new in the field during software design phase 
needs to be brought to the table with the FCC by the industry, as well 
as all the LTE vendors. A one year payment of SAS would help resolve 
this issue, or a design change in SAS. Spoken by a 30 plus year 
government mainframe system designer and developer... me.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 14:33 Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


There's no requirement to use the BaiCells OMC and EPC.

When Ubiquiti royally screwed up the ToughCable situation, what did
they
do?  They shipped out replacement ToughCable at absolutely no cost to
the end-user.  They acknowledged their screw up and they made it right.
   In some cases they even shipped extra boxes of cable to "cover the
time" for labor.

What did BaiCells do?  Basically said "yeah sorry... here buy some new
stuff".

That's the difference in these two situations.

On 2/13/20 2:27 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
 > Let's think, let's damage a WISP supporting innovative company
(which
 > are rare), that would affect our LTE *entire* investment, not just a
 > small percentage of our Baicell investment, the 2-3-year-old CPEs...
 > filling out a survey from an undisclosed source. Not a bright
idea in my
 > opinion. FCC created this timing issue, not Baicells, not Telrad,
they
 > created the specifications for connecting to SAS, not Baicells or
Telrad.
 >
 > I have always been against bashing the companies that support us,
having
 > watched UBNT for example occasionally getting bashed over the last
 > decade off and on, and watching the stock hits and impacts on R&D
and
 > sales (OS issues, recalls, illegal knock offs)... not sure if our
 > industry can withstand a hit against our complete LTE investment.
But
 > maybe pushing for another solution from FCC/SAS first and
Baiscells second.
 >
 > This action is short-sighted, is my current option.
 >
 >
 > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:32 PM Matt Hoppes
 > mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 > http://www.baicellsclassaction.com
 >
 >     WHO DOES THIS INVESTIGATION AFFECT?
 >
 >     Companies and Persons who purchased BaiCells Atom R9 CPEs
(EG7035,
 >     CW0100, CN6671) between inception and February of 2020.
 >
 >     WHAT'S GOING ON?
 >     Investigation is taking place regarding allegations that
BaiCells  made
 >     promises beginning as far back as 2016 regarding the Atom R9 CPEs
 >     (EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) that these CPEs would be compliant
with and
 >     usable with the new FCC CBRS rules without needing to swap
out any
 >     hardware or buy new equipment.    Many Internet Service Providers
 >     purchased this equipment, investing hundreds of thousands of
dollars,
 >     based on numerous promises made in official public forums and
 >     documentation to this affect.
 >
 >     Around the beginning of February (and with only 60 days to
the  final
 >     CBRS transition period) BaiCells informed all ISPs that the
Atom  R9
 >     CPEs (EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) would not be CBRS compatible due to
 >     reasons that BaiCells has not explained.
 >
 >     BaiCells then offered a swap offer giving 50% off MSRP.
 >     Internet Service Providers argue that such provisions at the
11th  hour
 >     of the FCC CBRS rule changes, coupled with supply shortages
due to  the
 >     large about of radios that Internet Service Providers will
need to
 >     purchase, the CoronaVirus supply chain shortages, and the
need to visit
 >     every customer physically and swap radios will produce an undue
 >     hardship
 >        on them as well as render the need to purchase additional
equipment
 >     after investing thousands of dollars based on promises made
by official
 >     BaiCells representatives.
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See, and that's how you build brand loyalty.

On 2/13/20 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I forgot to put weep holes or the holes got plugged during assembly of 
my first runs of super stingers.

The antennas would fill with water after some time.
I felt so bad and embarrassed that I also paid customers for their truck 
roll to replace them.

Somehow that took away their anger...
And I don't recall it costing all that much.


Many years ago I sent a programmer to Tokyo to replace about 2000 OTP 
mcu chips in dialers I was making at the time.
That one was expensive.  I think the chips cost me $20K and the flight 
was $2K and I was really struggling at the time.

The programmer was not happy but I had told him to never use a goto in C.
He did and had a stack overflow because of it...

I would never be able to sleep if I left a customer with a loss of some 
kind.


-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:33 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org ; Clay Stewart
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

There's no requirement to use the BaiCells OMC and EPC.

When Ubiquiti royally screwed up the ToughCable situation, what did they
do?  They shipped out replacement ToughCable at absolutely no cost to
the end-user.  They acknowledged their screw up and they made it right.
  In some cases they even shipped extra boxes of cable to "cover the
time" for labor.

What did BaiCells do?  Basically said "yeah sorry... here buy some new
stuff".

That's the difference in these two situations.

On 2/13/20 2:27 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Let's think, let's damage a WISP supporting innovative company (which 
are rare), that would affect our LTE *entire* investment, not just a 
small percentage of our Baicell investment, the 2-3-year-old CPEs... 
filling out a survey from an undisclosed source. Not a bright idea in 
my opinion. FCC created this timing issue, not Baicells, not Telrad, 
they created the specifications for connecting to SAS, not Baicells or 
Telrad.


I have always been against bashing the companies that support us, 
having watched UBNT for example occasionally getting bashed over the 
last decade off and on, and watching the stock hits and impacts on R&D 
and sales (OS issues, recalls, illegal knock offs)... not sure if our 
industry can withstand a hit against our complete LTE investment. But 
maybe pushing for another solution from FCC/SAS first and Baiscells 
second.


This action is short-sighted, is my current option.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:32 PM Matt Hoppes 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:


    http://www.baicellsclassaction.com

    WHO DOES THIS INVESTIGATION AFFECT?

    Companies and Persons who purchased BaiCells Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035,
    CW0100, CN6671) between inception and February of 2020.

    WHAT'S GOING ON?
    Investigation is taking place regarding allegations that BaiCells 
made

    promises beginning as far back as 2016 regarding the Atom R9 CPEs
    (EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) that these CPEs would be compliant with and
    usable with the new FCC CBRS rules without needing to swap out any
    hardware or buy new equipment.    Many Internet Service Providers
    purchased this equipment, investing hundreds of thousands of dollars,
    based on numerous promises made in official public forums and
    documentation to this affect.

    Around the beginning of February (and with only 60 days to the  final
    CBRS transition period) BaiCells informed all ISPs that the Atom  R9
    CPEs (EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) would not be CBRS compatible due to
    reasons that BaiCells has not explained.

    BaiCells then offered a swap offer giving 50% off MSRP.
    Internet Service Providers argue that such provisions at the 11th 
hour
    of the FCC CBRS rule changes, coupled with supply shortages due to 
the

    large about of radios that Internet Service Providers will need to
    purchase, the CoronaVirus supply chain shortages, and the need to 
visit

    every customer physically and swap radios will produce an undue
    hardship
   on them as well as render the need to purchase additional 
equipment
    after investing thousands of dollars based on promises made by 
official

    BaiCells representatives.
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2020-02-13 Thread chuck

I forgot to put weep holes or the holes got plugged during assembly of my 
first runs of super stingers.

The antennas would fill with water after some time.
I felt so bad and embarrassed that I also paid customers for their truck 
roll to replace them.

Somehow that took away their anger...
And I don't recall it costing all that much.


Many years ago I sent a programmer to Tokyo to replace about 2000 OTP mcu 
chips in dialers I was making at the time.
That one was expensive.  I think the chips cost me $20K and the flight was 
$2K and I was really struggling at the time.

The programmer was not happy but I had told him to never use a goto in C.
He did and had a stack overflow because of it...

I would never be able to sleep if I left a customer with a loss of some 
kind.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:33 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org ; Clay Stewart
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] BaiCells Class Action Investigation

There's no requirement to use the BaiCells OMC and EPC.

When Ubiquiti royally screwed up the ToughCable situation, what did they
do?  They shipped out replacement ToughCable at absolutely no cost to
the end-user.  They acknowledged their screw up and they made it right.
 In some cases they even shipped extra boxes of cable to "cover the
time" for labor.

What did BaiCells do?  Basically said "yeah sorry... here buy some new
stuff".

That's the difference in these two situations.

On 2/13/20 2:27 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Let's think, let's damage a WISP supporting innovative company (which are 
rare), that would affect our LTE *entire* investment, not just a small 
percentage of our Baicell investment, the 2-3-year-old CPEs... filling out 
a survey from an undisclosed source. Not a bright idea in my opinion. FCC 
created this timing issue, not Baicells, not Telrad, they created the 
specifications for connecting to SAS, not Baicells or Telrad.


I have always been against bashing the companies that support us, having 
watched UBNT for example occasionally getting bashed over the last decade 
off and on, and watching the stock hits and impacts on R&D and sales (OS 
issues, recalls, illegal knock offs)... not sure if our industry can 
withstand a hit against our complete LTE investment. But maybe pushing for 
another solution from FCC/SAS first and Baiscells second.


This action is short-sighted, is my current option.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:32 PM Matt Hoppes 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:


http://www.baicellsclassaction.com

WHO DOES THIS INVESTIGATION AFFECT?

Companies and Persons who purchased BaiCells Atom R9 CPEs (EG7035,
CW0100, CN6671) between inception and February of 2020.

WHAT'S GOING ON?
Investigation is taking place regarding allegations that BaiCells 
made

promises beginning as far back as 2016 regarding the Atom R9 CPEs
(EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) that these CPEs would be compliant with and
usable with the new FCC CBRS rules without needing to swap out any
hardware or buy new equipment.Many Internet Service Providers
purchased this equipment, investing hundreds of thousands of dollars,
based on numerous promises made in official public forums and
documentation to this affect.

Around the beginning of February (and with only 60 days to the  final
CBRS transition period) BaiCells informed all ISPs that the Atom  R9
CPEs (EG7035, CW0100, CN6671) would not be CBRS compatible due to
reasons that BaiCells has not explained.

BaiCells then offered a swap offer giving 50% off MSRP.
Internet Service Providers argue that such provisions at the 11th 
hour
of the FCC CBRS rule changes, coupled with supply shortages due to 
the

large about of radios that Internet Service Providers will need to
purchase, the CoronaVirus supply chain shortages, and the need to 
visit

every customer physically and swap radios will produce an undue
hardship
   on them as well as render the need to purchase additional equipment
after investing thousands of dollars based on promises made by 
official

BaiCells representatives.
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