Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-24 Thread Jaime Solorza 
I have seen some international Cambium radios the go from 4.9 to 6 4GHz
I think I asked about the 6Ghz versions on list oncehave never seen the
Cambium 3GHz stuff.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 12:41 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, you're right... I think what I was thinking of is that the spectrum
> analyser can scan that range. I wouldn't be surprised if they were using
> some ROW radios, it looks like the PMP450 does come in a 3.55-3.8ghz
> variety.
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:21 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> US models of the 450 definitely won't let you do that.
>>
>> On 1/24/2020 10:18 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> I checked some of their registrations, and it looks like they're mostly
>> PMP450 and a few Ubiquiti radios. It's been awhile since I've done anything
>> with Canopy 3.65ghz stuff, but it seems to me like you might be able to set
>> them that high... or maybe they have some non-US radios...
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:01 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wonder what gear they were using. ☹  That allowed them to transmit that
>>> high?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>>
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>>
>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Tim Hardy
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:21 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
>>> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be operating on
>>> 3723 - 3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903 and you’re right that
>>> this is how they got caught.  No question that had they not interfered with
>>> the ground station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one
>>> thing, they’re going to look at everything else and that’s how the
>>> unregistered locations ended up part of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which seems
>>> kind of petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to
>>> assume the second one got them in trouble and led to finding the first one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
>>> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it
>>> was low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check
>>> for earth stations you never know what they've done.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Jamming C band CATV...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
>>> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the
>>> 3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Isnt that the first 3ghz one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license"
>>> holders had no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>>
>>> BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF
>>> STATION WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet
>>> agrees to $16,

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-24 Thread Mathew Howard 
Yeah, well, if they did actually have a radio set to use 3723-3732, I don't
have much sympathy for them anyway. I suppose, one could accidentally get
international radios, and then accidentally, set it to the wrong channel...
but most likely, they were either completely aware they were using a
channel they weren't supposed to be on, and didn't care, or they hadn't
bothered to learn enough about the rules to know they were supposed to be
doing.

On the other hand, if they were just running it at the top end of the band,
and it was causing too much out of band noise for whatever reason, that's a
different story.

There are radios out there (like Baicells, for example), that will let you
use frequencies below 3650, where I could see that easily happening by
accident, but I don't know of any radios sold for US market that allow you
to go above 3700mhz.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 2:05 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I have less sympathy for them if they went out of their way to get an
> international AP because the US model wouldn't let them cheat.  It's harder
> to believe it was just ignorance at that point.
>
> I knew a guy who used to set all his Ubqiuiti's to "Hong Kong" so he could
> use DFS bands without DFS and ignore the EIRP limit.  I'm like bruh you
> can't even pretend that was an accident.
>
>
>
> On 1/24/2020 2:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yeah, you're right... I think what I was thinking of is that the spectrum
> analyser can scan that range. I wouldn't be surprised if they were using
> some ROW radios, it looks like the PMP450 does come in a 3.55-3.8ghz
> variety.
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:21 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> US models of the 450 definitely won't let you do that.
>>
>> On 1/24/2020 10:18 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> I checked some of their registrations, and it looks like they're mostly
>> PMP450 and a few Ubiquiti radios. It's been awhile since I've done anything
>> with Canopy 3.65ghz stuff, but it seems to me like you might be able to set
>> them that high... or maybe they have some non-US radios...
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:01 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wonder what gear they were using. ☹  That allowed them to transmit that
>>> high?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>>
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>>
>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Tim Hardy
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:21 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
>>> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be operating on
>>> 3723 - 3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903 and you’re right that
>>> this is how they got caught.  No question that had they not interfered with
>>> the ground station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one
>>> thing, they’re going to look at everything else and that’s how the
>>> unregistered locations ended up part of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which seems
>>> kind of petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to
>>> assume the second one got them in trouble and led to finding the first one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
>>> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it
>>> was low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check
>>> for earth stations you never know what they've done.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Jamming C band CATV...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-24 Thread Adam Moffett 
I have less sympathy for them if they went out of their way to get an 
international AP because the US model wouldn't let them cheat.  It's 
harder to believe it was just ignorance at that point.


I knew a guy who used to set all his Ubqiuiti's to "Hong Kong" so he 
could use DFS bands without DFS and ignore the EIRP limit.  I'm like 
bruh you can't even pretend that was an accident.




On 1/24/2020 2:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, you're right... I think what I was thinking of is that the 
spectrum analyser can scan that range. I wouldn't be surprised if they 
were using some ROW radios, it looks like the PMP450 does come in a 
3.55-3.8ghz variety.


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:21 AM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


US models of the 450 definitely won't let you do that.


On 1/24/2020 10:18 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I checked some of their registrations, and it looks like they're
mostly PMP450 and a few Ubiquiti radios. It's been awhile since
I've done anything with Canopy 3.65ghz stuff, but it seems to me
like you might be able to set them that high... or maybe they
have some non-US radios...

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:01 AM Dennis Burgess via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Wonder what gear they were using. ☹  That allowed them to
transmit that high?

*LTI-Full_175px*

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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage,
Cambium ePMP Certified *

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”

*Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services

*Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
<http://www.linktechs.net/>

Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
<http://www.towercoverage.com>

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Tim Hardy
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:21 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized
operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be
operating on 3723 - 3732 MHz which is a clear violation of
1.903 and you’re right that this is how they got caught.  No
question that had they not interfered with the ground
station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one
thing, they’re going to look at everything else and that’s
how the unregistered locations ended up part of this.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations
which seems kind of petty, the other is transmitting
above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to assume the second one got
them in trouble and led to finding the first one?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions -
unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the
oob so if it was low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that
don't even make a cursory check for earth stations you
never know what they've done.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Jamming C band CATV...

*From:*Mathew Howard

*Sent:*Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM

            *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions -
unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

It's interesting that the signal they were
interfering with was in the 3700-4200mhz band. I
wonder what they were doing...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Isnt that the first 3ghz one?

I wish that more people had been nailed, its said
other "license" holders had no recourse, it took
a fixed station to be interfered with

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy
mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED
INTERNET, LICENSEE OF STATION WQMJ660.
Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed
Internet agrees to $16,000 settlement and

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-24 Thread Mathew Howard 
Yeah, you're right... I think what I was thinking of is that the spectrum
analyser can scan that range. I wouldn't be surprised if they were using
some ROW radios, it looks like the PMP450 does come in a 3.55-3.8ghz
variety.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:21 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> US models of the 450 definitely won't let you do that.
>
> On 1/24/2020 10:18 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> I checked some of their registrations, and it looks like they're mostly
> PMP450 and a few Ubiquiti radios. It's been awhile since I've done anything
> with Canopy 3.65ghz stuff, but it seems to me like you might be able to set
> them that high... or maybe they have some non-US radios...
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:01 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Wonder what gear they were using. ☹  That allowed them to transmit that
>> high?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Tim Hardy
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:21 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
>> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>>
>>
>>
>> According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be operating on
>> 3723 - 3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903 and you’re right that
>> this is how they got caught.  No question that had they not interfered with
>> the ground station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one
>> thing, they’re going to look at everything else and that’s how the
>> unregistered locations ended up part of this.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which seems kind
>> of petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to assume the
>> second one got them in trouble and led to finding the first one?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
>> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>>
>>
>>
>> The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it was
>> low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check for
>> earth stations you never know what they've done.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Jamming C band CATV...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
>> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>>
>>
>>
>> It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the
>> 3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Isnt that the first 3ghz one?
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders
>> had no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>
>> BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF
>> STATION WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet
>> agrees to $16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation
>> into unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by: Deputy
>> Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA
>> No. 20-46). EB. DA-20-46A1.docx
>> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.docx> DA-20-46A1.pdf
>> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.pdf>DA-20-46A1.txt
>> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.txt>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-24 Thread Adam Moffett 

US models of the 450 definitely won't let you do that.


On 1/24/2020 10:18 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I checked some of their registrations, and it looks like they're 
mostly PMP450 and a few Ubiquiti radios. It's been awhile since I've 
done anything with Canopy 3.65ghz stuff, but it seems to me like you 
might be able to set them that high... or maybe they have some non-US 
radios...


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:01 AM Dennis Burgess via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Wonder what gear they were using. ☹  That allowed them to transmit
that high?

*LTI-Full_175px*

*Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium
ePMP Certified *

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”

*Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services

*Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
<http://www.linktechs.net/>

Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
<http://www.towercoverage.com>

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Tim Hardy
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:21 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized
operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be
operating on 3723 - 3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903
and you’re right that this is how they got caught.  No question
that had they not interfered with the ground station, this
wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one thing, they’re
going to look at everything else and that’s how the unregistered
locations ended up part of this.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which
seems kind of petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz. 
I’m going to assume the second one got them in trouble and led
to finding the first one?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized
operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob
so if it was low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even
make a cursory check for earth stations you never know what
they've done.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Jamming C band CATV...

*From:*Mathew Howard

*Sent:*Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM

        *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions -
unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

It's interesting that the signal they were interfering
with was in the 3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were
doing...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Isnt that the first 3ghz one?

I wish that more people had been nailed, its said
other "license" holders had no recourse, it took a
fixed station to be interfered with

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy
mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED
INTERNET, LICENSEE OF STATION WQMJ660. Brevard
Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet
agrees to $16,000 settlement and compliance plan
resolving investigation into unauthorized
operation in the 3650-3700 MHz band
. Action by: Deputy Chief, Enforcement Bureau.
Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA
No. 20-46). EB. DA-20-46A1.docx

<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.docx>DA-20-46A1.pdf

<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.pdf>DA-20-46A1.txt
<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.txt>

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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-24 Thread Mathew Howard 
I checked some of their registrations, and it looks like they're mostly
PMP450 and a few Ubiquiti radios. It's been awhile since I've done anything
with Canopy 3.65ghz stuff, but it seems to me like you might be able to set
them that high... or maybe they have some non-US radios...

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:01 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
wrote:

> Wonder what gear they were using. ☹  That allowed them to transmit that
> high?
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Tim Hardy
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>
>
>
> According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be operating on
> 3723 - 3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903 and you’re right that
> this is how they got caught.  No question that had they not interfered with
> the ground station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one
> thing, they’re going to look at everything else and that’s how the
> unregistered locations ended up part of this.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which seems kind
> of petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to assume the
> second one got them in trouble and led to finding the first one?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>
>
>
> The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it was
> low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check for
> earth stations you never know what they've done.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM  wrote:
>
> Jamming C band CATV...
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>
>
>
> It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the
> 3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Isnt that the first 3ghz one?
>
>
>
> I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders
> had no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF
> STATION WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet
> agrees to $16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation
> into unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by: Deputy
> Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA
> No. 20-46). EB. DA-20-46A1.docx
> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.docx> DA-20-46A1.pdf
> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.pdf>DA-20-46A1.txt
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-24 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF 
Wonder what gear they were using. ☹  That allowed them to transmit that high?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Tim Hardy
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be operating on 3723 - 
3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903 and you’re right that this is how 
they got caught.  No question that had they not interfered with the ground 
station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one thing, they’re 
going to look at everything else and that’s how the unregistered locations 
ended up part of this.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which seems kind of 
petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to assume the second 
one got them in trouble and led to finding the first one?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it was low 
3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check for earth 
stations you never know what they've done.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Jamming C band CATV...

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the 
3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Isnt that the first 3ghz one?

I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders had 
no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy 
mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF STATION 
WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet agrees to 
$16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation into 
unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by: 
Deputy Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. 
(DA No. 20-46). EB. 
DA-20-46A1.docx<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.docx> 
DA-20-46A1.pdf<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.pdf>DA-20-46A1.txt<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.txt>
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-23 Thread Adam Moffett 
Some vendors (esp with LTE) allow you to type in a frequency rather than 
pick from a list.  It was up to the operator to stay compliant.  In an 
unlicensed (or lightly licensed) band the temptation will always be 
there to avoid interference by moving to one of those nice quiet 
channels that nobody else appears to be using.  One little cheat and the 
customers are suddenly happy.


Manufacturers should just take the option awayat least in Band 42.  
Someone will always use it if it's there.



On 1/23/2020 8:20 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be operating 
on 3723 - 3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903 and you’re 
right that this is how they got caught.  No question that had they not 
interfered with the ground station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once 
the FCC finds one thing, they’re going to look at everything else and 
that’s how the unregistered locations ended up part of this.


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which
seems kind of petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m
going to assume the second one got them in trouble and led to
finding the first one?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized
    operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if
it was low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a
cursory check for earth stations you never know what they've done.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Jamming C band CATV...

*From:*Mathew Howard

*Sent:*Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized
    operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with
was in the 3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Isnt that the first 3ghz one?

I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other
"license" holders had no recourse, it took a fixed station
to be interfered with

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy
mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED
INTERNET, LICENSEE OF STATION WQMJ660. Brevard
Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet agrees
to $16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving
investigation into unauthorized operation in the
3650-3700 MHz band . Action by: Deputy
Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by
Order/Consent Decree. (DA No. 20-46). EB.
DA-20-46A1.docx

<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.docx>DA-20-46A1.pdf

<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.pdf>DA-20-46A1.txt
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-23 Thread Tim Hardy 
According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be operating on
3723 - 3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903 and you’re right that
this is how they got caught.  No question that had they not interfered with
the ground station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one
thing, they’re going to look at everything else and that’s how the
unregistered locations ended up part of this.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which seems kind
> of petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to assume the
> second one got them in trouble and led to finding the first one?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>
>
>
> The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it was
> low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check for
> earth stations you never know what they've done.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM  wrote:
>
> Jamming C band CATV...
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>
>
>
> It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the
> 3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Isnt that the first 3ghz one?
>
>
>
> I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders
> had no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF
> STATION WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet
> agrees to $16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation
> into unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by: Deputy
> Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA
> No. 20-46). EB. DA-20-46A1.docx
> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.docx> DA-20-46A1.pdf
> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.pdf>DA-20-46A1.txt
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-23 Thread Ken Hohhof 
There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which seems kind of 
petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to assume the second 
one got them in trouble and led to finding the first one?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

 

The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it was low 
3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check for earth 
stations you never know what they've done. 

 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Jamming C band CATV...

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

 

It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the 
3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...

 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Isnt that the first 3ghz one? 

 

I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders had 
no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with

 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy mailto:thardy...@gmail.com> > wrote:

BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF STATION 
WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet agrees to 
$16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation into 
unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700  MHz band . Action by: 
Deputy Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. 
(DA No. 20-46). EB.  <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.docx> 
DA-20-46A1.docx  <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.pdf> 
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-23 Thread Steve Jones 
The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it was
low 3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check for
earth stations you never know what they've done.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM  wrote:

> Jamming C band CATV...
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation
> in 3650 - 3700 MHz band
>
> It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the
> 3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Isnt that the first 3ghz one?
>>
>> I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders
>> had no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>
>>> BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF
>>> STATION WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet
>>> agrees to $16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation
>>> into unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by:
>>> Deputy Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent
>>> Decree. (DA No. 20-46). EB. DA-20-46A1.docx
>>> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.docx> DA-20-46A1.pdf
>>> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.pdf>DA-20-46A1.txt
>>> <https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-46A1.txt>
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-23 Thread chuck 
Jamming C band CATV...

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the 
3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  Isnt that the first 3ghz one? 

  I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders had 
no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with

  On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF STATION 
WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet agrees to 
$16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation into 
unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by: Deputy Chief, 
Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA No. 
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-23 Thread Mathew Howard 
It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the
3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Isnt that the first 3ghz one?
>
> I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders
> had no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
>> BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF
>> STATION WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet
>> agrees to $16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation
>> into unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by: Deputy
>> Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA
>> No. 20-46). EB. DA-20-46A1.docx
>>  DA-20-46A1.pdf
>> DA-20-46A1.txt
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

2020-01-23 Thread Steve Jones 
Isnt that the first 3ghz one?

I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders
had no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF
> STATION WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet
> agrees to $16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation
> into unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by: Deputy
> Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA
> No. 20-46). EB. DA-20-46A1.docx
>  DA-20-46A1.pdf
> DA-20-46A1.txt
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