Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Thanks.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

 

Wav online is the only distributor as of now from what they told me when I 
signed up to be a reseller. And yes it is 20% off retail with no volume 
commitment. 

On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

What distributor carries them on the West Coast?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Rory 
Conaway via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

 

Thanks.  I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t realize 
it had a distribution channel.  I assumed at that price point it was direct.  

 

It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it though.  
Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few hundred from a 
phone, not the best option.  The thing that shocked me was the outdoor unit 
cost for 802.11AC.  $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you suggest, a 20% discount, 
that’s huge.  

 

I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Darin 
Steffl via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

 

I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can only 
support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud support... yet. 
They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and remotely like UniFi but 
for now you have to be on the layer2 network with the AP's to configure them. 
Performance seems similar to UniFi but there are added improvements like auto 
channel scan and band steering and some QOS built-in. 

 

There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but not 
channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues with packet 
loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire band, it is very 
stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so followup with Xclaim on 
who their preferred distributor is. 

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  > wrote:

Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products.  Hard to believe 
someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is there, I 
sense a war coming.

 

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless
4226 S. 37th Street
Phoenix, Az.  85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net  
www.triadwireless.net

 





 

-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com  

507-634-WiFi

   Like us on Facebook 
 



-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com  

507-634-WiFi

   Like us on Facebook 
 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

[Darin Steffl via Af]

Wav online is the only distributor as of now from what they told me when I
signed up to be a reseller. And yes it is 20% off retail with no volume
commitment.

On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

> What distributor carries them on the West Coast?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Rory
> Conaway via Af
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?
>
>
>
> Thanks.  I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t
> realize it had a distribution channel.  I assumed at that price point it
> was direct.
>
>
>
> It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it
> though.  Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few
> hundred from a phone, not the best option.  The thing that shocked me was
> the outdoor unit cost for 802.11AC.  $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you
> suggest, a 20% discount, that’s huge.
>
>
>
> I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Darin
> Steffl via Af
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?
>
>
>
> I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can
> only support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud
> support... yet. They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and
> remotely like UniFi but for now you have to be on the layer2 network with
> the AP's to configure them. Performance seems similar to UniFi but there
> are added improvements like auto channel scan and band steering and some
> QOS built-in.
>
>
>
> There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel
> but not channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues
> with packet loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire
> band, it is very stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so
> followup with Xclaim on who their preferred distributor is.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  > wrote:
>
> Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products.  Hard to believe
> someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is
> there, I sense a war coming.
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> 
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
> 507-634-WiFi
>
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create

[Jeremy via Af]

Happy little trees...

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

>  LOL :)
>
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>
>  Did he beat the devil out of a little brush?
>
>  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
>
>
> Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind
> of transcendental...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

[Rory Conaway via Af]

What distributor carries them on the West Coast?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

 

Thanks.  I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t realize 
it had a distribution channel.  I assumed at that price point it was direct.  

 

It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it though.  
Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few hundred from a 
phone, not the best option.  The thing that shocked me was the outdoor unit 
cost for 802.11AC.  $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you suggest, a 20% discount, 
that’s huge.  

 

I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

 

I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can only 
support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud support... yet. 
They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and remotely like UniFi but 
for now you have to be on the layer2 network with the AP's to configure them. 
Performance seems similar to UniFi but there are added improvements like auto 
channel scan and band steering and some QOS built-in. 

 

There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but not 
channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues with packet 
loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire band, it is very 
stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so followup with Xclaim on 
who their preferred distributor is. 

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products.  Hard to believe 
someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is there, I 
sense a war coming.

 

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless
4226 S. 37th Street
Phoenix, Az.  85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

 





 

-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com  

507-634-WiFi

   Like us on Facebook 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Thanks.  I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t realize 
it had a distribution channel.  I assumed at that price point it was direct.  

 

It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it though.  
Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few hundred from a 
phone, not the best option.  The thing that shocked me was the outdoor unit 
cost for 802.11AC.  $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you suggest, a 20% discount, 
that’s huge.  

 

I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

 

I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can only 
support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud support... yet. 
They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and remotely like UniFi but 
for now you have to be on the layer2 network with the AP's to configure them. 
Performance seems similar to UniFi but there are added improvements like auto 
channel scan and band steering and some QOS built-in. 

 

There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but not 
channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues with packet 
loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire band, it is very 
stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so followup with Xclaim on 
who their preferred distributor is. 

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products.  Hard to believe 
someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is there, I 
sense a war coming.

 

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless
4226 S. 37th Street
Phoenix, Az.  85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

 





 

-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com  

507-634-WiFi

   Like us on Facebook 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

[Darin Steffl via Af]

I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can
only support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud
support... yet. They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and
remotely like UniFi but for now you have to be on the layer2 network with
the AP's to configure them. Performance seems similar to UniFi but there
are added improvements like auto channel scan and band steering and some
QOS built-in.

There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but
not channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues
with packet loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire
band, it is very stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so
followup with Xclaim on who their preferred distributor is.

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

> Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products.  Hard to believe
> someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is
> there, I sense a war coming.
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>



-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Have you tried them?

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 9, 2014 8:19 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:

> Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products.  Hard to believe
> someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is
> there, I sense a war coming.
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products.  Hard to believe
someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is
there, I sense a war coming.

 

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless
4226 S. 37th Street
Phoenix, Az.  85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower

[Jason McKemie via Af]

I know experienced professional tower guys who would disagree. If there
were horror stories, the zip ties weren't quality.

On Sunday, November 9, 2014, David Milholen via Af  wrote:

>  Uh n!
>  I also need to find some of the horror stories from tower america that
>  talk about the use of "Quality" Zip ties on a tower :)
> If you are looking for a temp install and coming back in a couple years
> then yes
> Zip ties are the ticket otherwise build it like you mean it.
>  I am not a big fan of pipe clamps either.
>
>
> On 11/8/2014 10:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
>
> If you use quality zip ties they are just fine.
>
> On Saturday, November 8, 2014, David Milholen via Af  > wrote:
>
>>  I need to find my old pics of a company that used Zip ties on towers
>> instead of hangers or cable tray.
>> A 400' run of lmr400 came loose during a winter storm and the Electric
>> company thought it was a guy wire flappin in the wind from
>> a distance and had everyone pacing the floor and trying to get to the
>> site to look to see what needs to be done.
>>
>> Needless to say as a standard policy we do not allow for any zip ties
>> anywhere on any of our towers including metal ones unless they are
>> rated for outdoor use and only for short distances.
>>
>> As for type of hybrid cable we use. We use Bestronics to customize the
>> ends for good terminations.
>>
>>
>> On 11/8/2014 4:26 PM, Craig House via Af wrote:
>>
>> We have purchased outdoor rated unarmored fiber to run up many towers
>> over the last 2 to 3 years I have not yet had a problem with any of it
>> wearing through and we do not put it in conduit
>>  As long as you zip tie it frequently so that it is not rubbing around on
>> anything it shouldn't be a problem
>> We have been buying our fiber preterminated from discount low-voltage.com
>> I have never had anything sent to me that was not as we ordered it or
>> that didn't work when we installed everything is been top-quality from them
>> It even comes with a Kevlar Pullhook and plastic shroud over the pull in
>> so you don't hang it on anything as you pull it up
>>
>>  Craig
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>>I don’t know much if anything about fiber, but I see lots of options
>> here:
>>
>> http://ce.superioressex.com/products/communications/osp-cable/fiber/
>>
>> I would think armor would provide gopher protection in direct burial
>> applications and cut resistance in tower and grain leg applications, but I
>> also see several rugged non-armored types listed there including:
>>
>> double jacket non-armor (series 1G)
>> ADSS 100/200/400
>> heavy duty LT (series 1H)
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Darin Steffl via Af
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
>>
>>  So you're saying don't go armored fiber at all but just outdoor rated
>> fiber and make sure nothing can rub through the jacket? We're looking for
>> something tougher that can withstand the pull up the tower and then the
>> elements since we don't want to run conduit.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>   I cannot imagine a benefit to having armored/shielded on a fiber up
>>> the tower other  than mechanical protection.  It would not offer any
>>> electrical benefits and could actually pick up and transfer RF and induced
>>> impulses from lightening.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Darin Steffl via Af
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:47 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
>>>
>>>   Hey guys,
>>>
>>> For fiber runs to a switch or radio on top of the tower, do you
>>> recommend non-armored fiber or armored with the metal shield? If there a
>>> way to have armored fiber without metal inside?
>>>
>>> I'm wondering how some of you run fiber up to the top now and if having
>>> metal in the fiber is alright or if it's a bad idea because of lightning or
>>> grounding issues. Looking for best practices here. Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>   Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>   Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

LOL :)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Did he beat the devil out of a little brush?
*From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
*Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create

Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its 
kind of transcendental...


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower

[David Milholen via Af]

Yes,
that is a quality tie.
 I just try to avoid any thing with a tie in it.
when we first started doing cat5 bestronics foil cable up a tower we 
used PVC and #12 black wire to  tie most every thing

down.
 We have since come acustom to using cable trays and support hangers 
using HDPFE 2" conduit with superior essex armored on

all new sites or any rebuild that has to be done.
We even go as far as using the 3/8" grommets and hangers to the radios 
to support the essex cable.


It seems a little excessive on our part but when deploying a 5k radio 
sector it only makes sense to put a little more into

the backbone supporting it.

On 11/9/2014 1:54 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
We use TY25MX Ty-Raps. UV and stainless lock. They do not break in the 
cold. We've had the equivalent Panduit's on towers for 10 years and 
they have not failed. I agree with "no zip ties on towers" but these 
are not "zip ties."


On 11/9/2014 12:29 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:
What are the good zip ties you use? It's very hard finding some that 
don't snap below 55 degrees.


On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Josh Reynolds via Af > wrote:


Bout to say, our company has been doing installs with super88 and
good quality zip ties in Alaska for about 10 years now.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 11/08/2014 07:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:

If you use quality zip ties they are just fine.

On Saturday, November 8, 2014, David Milholen via Af
> wrote:

I need to find my old pics of a company that used Zip ties
on towers instead of hangers or cable tray.
A 400' run of lmr400 came loose during a winter storm and
the Electric company thought it was a guy wire flappin in
the wind from
a distance and had everyone pacing the floor and trying to
get to the site to look to see what needs to be done.

Needless to say as a standard policy we do not allow for any
zip ties anywhere on any of our towers including metal ones
unless they are
rated for outdoor use and only for short distances.

As for type of hybrid cable we use. We use Bestronics to
customize the ends for good terminations.


On 11/8/2014 4:26 PM, Craig House via Af wrote:

We have purchased outdoor rated unarmored fiber to run up
many towers over the last 2 to 3 years I have not yet had a
problem with any of it wearing through and we do not put it
in conduit
 As long as you zip tie it frequently so that it is not
rubbing around on anything it shouldn't be a problem
We have been buying our fiber preterminated from discount
low-voltage.com 
I have never had anything sent to me that was not as we
ordered it or that didn't work when we installed everything
is been top-quality from them
It even comes with a Kevlar Pullhook and plastic shroud
over the pull in so you don't hang it on anything as you
pull it up

Craig

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2014, at 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af 
wrote:


I don’t know much if anything about fiber, but I see lots
of options here:
http://ce.superioressex.com/products/communications/osp-cable/fiber/
I would think armor would provide gopher protection in
direct burial applications and cut resistance in tower and
grain leg applications, but I also see several rugged
non-armored types listed there including:
double jacket non-armor (series 1G)
ADSS 100/200/400
heavy duty LT (series 1H)
*From:* Darin Steffl via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
So you're saying don't go armored fiber at all but just
outdoor rated fiber and make sure nothing can rub through
the jacket? We're looking for something tougher that can
withstand the pull up the tower and then the elements
since we don't want to run conduit.
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af
 wrote:

I cannot imagine a benefit to having armored/shielded
on a fiber up the tower other than mechanical
protection.  It would not offer any electrical
benefits and could actually pick up and transfer RF
and induced impulses from lightening.
*From:* Darin Steffl via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
Hey guys,
For fiber runs to a switch or radio on top of the
tower, do you recommend non-armored fiber or armored
with the met

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower

[David Milholen via Af]

Uh n!
 I also need to find some of the horror stories from tower america that
 talk about the use of "Quality" Zip ties on a tower :)
If you are looking for a temp install and coming back in a couple years 
then yes

Zip ties are the ticket otherwise build it like you mean it.
 I am not a big fan of pipe clamps either.


On 11/8/2014 10:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:

If you use quality zip ties they are just fine.

On Saturday, November 8, 2014, David Milholen via Af > wrote:


I need to find my old pics of a company that used Zip ties on
towers instead of hangers or cable tray.
A 400' run of lmr400 came loose during a winter storm and the
Electric company thought it was a guy wire flappin in the wind from
a distance and had everyone pacing the floor and trying to get to
the site to look to see what needs to be done.

Needless to say as a standard policy we do not allow for any zip
ties anywhere on any of our towers including metal ones unless
they are
rated for outdoor use and only for short distances.

As for type of hybrid cable we use. We use Bestronics to customize
the ends for good terminations.


On 11/8/2014 4:26 PM, Craig House via Af wrote:

We have purchased outdoor rated unarmored fiber to run up many
towers over the last 2 to 3 years I have not yet had a problem
with any of it wearing through and we do not put it in conduit
 As long as you zip tie it frequently so that it is not rubbing
around on anything it shouldn't be a problem
We have been buying our fiber preterminated from discount
low-voltage.com 
I have never had anything sent to me that was not as we ordered
it or that didn't work when we installed everything is been
top-quality from them
It even comes with a Kevlar Pullhook and plastic shroud over the
pull in so you don't hang it on anything as you pull it up

Craig

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2014, at 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af > wrote:


I don’t know much if anything about fiber, but I see lots of
options here:
http://ce.superioressex.com/products/communications/osp-cable/fiber/
I would think armor would provide gopher protection in direct
burial applications and cut resistance in tower and grain leg
applications, but I also see several rugged non-armored types
listed there including:
double jacket non-armor (series 1G)
ADSS 100/200/400
heavy duty LT (series 1H)
*From:* Darin Steffl via Af

*Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
So you're saying don't go armored fiber at all but just outdoor
rated fiber and make sure nothing can rub through the jacket?
We're looking for something tougher that can withstand the pull
up the tower and then the elements since we don't want to run
conduit.
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af
> wrote:

I cannot imagine a benefit to having armored/shielded on a
fiber up the tower other  than mechanical protection.  It
would not offer any electrical benefits and could actually
pick up and transfer RF and induced impulses from lightening.
*From:* Darin Steffl via Af

*Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
Hey guys,
For fiber runs to a switch or radio on top of the tower, do
you recommend non-armored fiber or armored with the metal
shield? If there a way to have armored fiber without metal
inside?
I'm wondering how some of you run fiber up to the top now
and if having metal in the fiber is alright or if it's a bad
idea because of lightning or grounding issues. Looking for
best practices here. Thanks
-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
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-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook



-- 



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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

We use TY25MX Ty-Raps. UV and stainless lock. They do not break in the 
cold. We've had the equivalent Panduit's on towers for 10 years and they 
have not failed. I agree with "no zip ties on towers" but these are not 
"zip ties."


On 11/9/2014 12:29 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:
What are the good zip ties you use? It's very hard finding some that 
don't snap below 55 degrees.


On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Josh Reynolds via Af > wrote:


Bout to say, our company has been doing installs with super88 and
good quality zip ties in Alaska for about 10 years now.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 11/08/2014 07:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:

If you use quality zip ties they are just fine.

On Saturday, November 8, 2014, David Milholen via Af
> wrote:

I need to find my old pics of a company that used Zip ties on
towers instead of hangers or cable tray.
A 400' run of lmr400 came loose during a winter storm and the
Electric company thought it was a guy wire flappin in the
wind from
a distance and had everyone pacing the floor and trying to
get to the site to look to see what needs to be done.

Needless to say as a standard policy we do not allow for any
zip ties anywhere on any of our towers including metal ones
unless they are
rated for outdoor use and only for short distances.

As for type of hybrid cable we use. We use Bestronics to
customize the ends for good terminations.


On 11/8/2014 4:26 PM, Craig House via Af wrote:

We have purchased outdoor rated unarmored fiber to run up
many towers over the last 2 to 3 years I have not yet had a
problem with any of it wearing through and we do not put it
in conduit
 As long as you zip tie it frequently so that it is not
rubbing around on anything it shouldn't be a problem
We have been buying our fiber preterminated from discount
low-voltage.com 
I have never had anything sent to me that was not as we
ordered it or that didn't work when we installed everything
is been top-quality from them
It even comes with a Kevlar Pullhook and plastic shroud over
the pull in so you don't hang it on anything as you pull it up

Craig

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2014, at 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af 
wrote:


I don’t know much if anything about fiber, but I see lots
of options here:
http://ce.superioressex.com/products/communications/osp-cable/fiber/
I would think armor would provide gopher protection in
direct burial applications and cut resistance in tower and
grain leg applications, but I also see several rugged
non-armored types listed there including:
double jacket non-armor (series 1G)
ADSS 100/200/400
heavy duty LT (series 1H)
*From:* Darin Steffl via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
So you're saying don't go armored fiber at all but just
outdoor rated fiber and make sure nothing can rub through
the jacket? We're looking for something tougher that can
withstand the pull up the tower and then the elements since
we don't want to run conduit.
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af
 wrote:

I cannot imagine a benefit to having armored/shielded
on a fiber up the tower other  than mechanical
protection.  It would not offer any electrical benefits
and could actually pick up and transfer RF and induced
impulses from lightening.
*From:* Darin Steffl via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
Hey guys,
For fiber runs to a switch or radio on top of the
tower, do you recommend non-armored fiber or armored
with the metal shield? If there a way to have armored
fiber without metal inside?
I'm wondering how some of you run fiber up to the top
now and if having metal in the fiber is alright or if
it's a bad idea because of lightning or grounding
issues. Looking for best practices here. Thanks
-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on
Facebook 



-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
   

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just 
go to the power supply and customer does the rest.




Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> 
> FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router.  I 
> used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's 
> becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
> 
> I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider 
> side.
> 
> I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for 
> their side of their network.
> 
> If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for 
> everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc.
> 
> What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if 
> their provider is the network issue, or their router.
> 
> I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their 
> phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
> 
> Sm on the side of the house
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
>> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers
>> 
>> 
>> Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or 
>> business or just let them do their own ?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router.  I 
used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's 
becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi.



-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson via Af

Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider 
side.


I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for 
their side of their network.


If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for 
everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc.


What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if 
their provider is the network issue, or their router.


I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their 
phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

Sm on the side of the house

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:

Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers


Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or 
business or just let them do their own ?


Sent from my iPhone 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Mike Hammett via Af]

uPNP automates XBox port forwards. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:17:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers 

I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider 
side. 

I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for 
their side of their network. 

If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for 
everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. 

What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if 
their provider is the network issue, or their router. 

I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their 
phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers. 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers 

Sm on the side of the house 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote: 
> 
> Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building? 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af 
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers 
> 
> 
> Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or 
> business or just let them do their own ? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Sterling Jacobson via Af]

I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider 
side.

I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for 
their side of their network.

If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for 
everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc.

What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if 
their provider is the network issue, or their router.

I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their 
phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

Sm on the side of the house 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:
> 
> Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers
> 
> 
> Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or 
> business or just let them do their own ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Yes

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 9, 2014 8:55 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:

>   Did he beat the devil out of a little brush?
>
>  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
>
>
> Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind
> of transcendental...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Did he beat the devil out of a little brush?

From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create

Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind of 
transcendental...

Jaime Solorza