date:20150306

www.telrad.com 




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- Original Message -

From: "Craig House"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:53:20 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wtb 

900 aps integrated with good sync on both ports. Qty 20 or more depends on 
price. 
900 connectorized sms. 

Laugh all you want then hit me off list with prices 

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.

As I was speaking to my boss on the phone yesterday, a snow plow took out every 
mailbox on his side of the street. I admit it was an amusing moment, where mid 
conversation he stopped and had a WTF? moment.

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.

I had an ex-customer email me that Little Rock, AR was shut down from an 
ice/snow storm.

-Original Message-
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:45 PM
To: Animal Farm ; WISPA General List
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.

How are the road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee? After a great visit with 
Brian Gray and the great folks at Joink to learn more about fiber installation 
I am leaving out in the morning headed back to Alabama. I understand there may 
have been ice and snow along my path and need to plan accordingly. 



 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Where the hell haven't you lived? 




- 
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http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Patrick Leary"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:13:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO 

Thank you Stefan. I wish my advocacy could translate better overseas, but I 
know conditions vary dramatically between regions. 

Where in Germany are you? I lived in Heilbronn in the mid-1980. The Schwäbisch 
area is beautiful. Yes, a very long time ago, but some of my fondest memories 
are from my time there. I found the German people; they share a great deal that 
I value: politeness and good manners, dignity and respect, the common good 
(versus everyman for himself), craftsmanship and engineering for both form and 
function. If one had patience and respected their culture, I also found a good 
sense humor. 

or maybe it was just all about the amazing beer! 

Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 






-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 3:21 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO 

>Hi Stefan, 
> 
>So I did a deep dive to figure out the source of your confusion re thinking 
>QAM256 and MU-MIMO would require new hardware. 
> 
>On FEB 4 you asked your Telrad rep this question: 
> 
>" I've done some additional googling and found a very interesting presentation 
>of Patrick Leary: 
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLHW9Bk7_nA 
> 
>There is a roadmap with features like MU-MIMO and 256 QAM in 2015. 
> 
>Buying a CMP1000, CPE 7000, CPE 7001 now this features come to this Hardware 
>or will there be newer Hardware Releases in the future to implement this? Will 
>there be additional license costs or will this upgrades be included?" 

>The sales person responding to you looked at the total list, which included 
>both CPE and base stations and then gave the answer he did. Even though your 
>English is MUCH better than my >German, neither of you are native English 
>speakers, so that contributed to the confusion. He should have separated out 
>the CPE answer from the base station answer. The CPE 7000 model -- a category 
>4 UE -- will not support those LTE Advanced features, not ours, not anyone's. 
>Our COMPACT1000 eNodeB base station, however, will. It will accept these 
>features and more. 

>Do you understand now? 

>Patrick Leary 

Thanks Patrick to clarify this. 

Your product realy points toward the future. Hope your/telrads business will 
succeed so we all get a great option. 
I just have a ROI problem in my special (german) case. The price competition is 
very hard here so we have to be dirt cheap while increasing bandwidth. This is 
different from region to region and depends on the infrastructure our national 
telekom has built. In some (other) regions there is fiber built out in a way it 
is not usable for broadband. There it is easier to compete. 
Pointed your EMEA college to a WISP in this region. 

We're going the way to build smaller cells using wifi-based gear mixed with DSL 
and some special projects where we connect larger buildings with licensed and 
inhouse Fiber/DSL buildouts. Our target is to offer "up to" 100Mbit/s Service 
to customers starting this year. 









 
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Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Thank you Stefan. I wish my advocacy could translate better overseas, but I 
know conditions vary dramatically between regions.

Where in Germany are you? I lived in Heilbronn in the mid-1980. The Schwäbisch 
area is beautiful. Yes, a very long time ago, but some of my fondest memories 
are from my time there. I found the German people; they share a great deal that 
I value: politeness and good manners, dignity and respect, the common good 
(versus everyman for himself), craftsmanship and engineering for both form and 
function. If one had patience and respected their culture, I also found a good 
sense humor. 

or maybe it was just all about the amazing beer!

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 3:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

>Hi Stefan,
>
>So I did a deep dive to figure out the source of your confusion re thinking 
>QAM256 and MU-MIMO would require new hardware.
>
>On FEB 4 you asked your Telrad rep this question:
>
>" I've done some additional googling and found a very interesting presentation 
>of Patrick Leary:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLHW9Bk7_nA
>
>There is a roadmap with features like MU-MIMO and 256 QAM in 2015.
>
>Buying a CMP1000, CPE 7000, CPE 7001 now this features come to this Hardware 
>or will there be newer Hardware Releases in the future to implement this? Will 
>there be additional license costs or will this upgrades be included?"

>The sales person responding to you looked at the total list, which included 
>both CPE and base stations and then gave the answer he did. Even though your 
>English is MUCH better than my >German, neither of you are native English 
>speakers, so that contributed to the confusion. He should have separated out 
>the CPE answer from the base station answer. The CPE 7000 model -- a category 
>4 UE -- will not support those LTE Advanced features, not ours, not anyone's. 
>Our COMPACT1000 eNodeB base station, however, will. It will accept these 
>features and more.

>Do you understand now?

>Patrick Leary

Thanks Patrick to clarify this.

Your product realy points toward the future. Hope your/telrads business will 
succeed so we all get a great option.
I just have a ROI problem in my special (german) case. The price competition is 
very hard here so we have to be dirt cheap while increasing bandwidth. This is 
different from region to region and depends on the infrastructure our national 
telekom has built. In some (other) regions there is fiber built out in a way it 
is not usable for broadband. There it is easier to compete.
Pointed your EMEA college to a WISP in this region.

We're going the way to build smaller cells using wifi-based gear mixed with DSL 
and some special projects where we connect larger buildings with licensed and 
inhouse Fiber/DSL buildouts. Our target is to offer "up to" 100Mbit/s Service 
to customers starting this year.






 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Not as much as some, but more than many. Here's the list, in order:

Woodbridge, VA
Annandale, VA
Harrisonburg, VA
Anniston, AL (partial year)
Augusta, GA (partial year)
Heilbronn, Germany
Annandale, VA
Nashville, TN
Redondo Beach, CA
Culver City, CA
Paramount, CA
Marietta, GA
Cumming, GA
Spring Hill, FL
Vancouver, BC (partial year)
Oceanside, CA
Mountain View, CA
Saint Petersburg, FL

That said, I have driven the entire lengths of almost every east-west and 
north-south interstate in the country. I've only never spent time in Alaska 
(but that will change soon).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Where the hell haven't you lived?


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Patrick Leary" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:13:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Thank you Stefan. I wish my advocacy could translate better overseas, but I 
know conditions vary dramatically between regions.

Where in Germany are you? I lived in Heilbronn in the mid-1980. The Schwäbisch 
area is beautiful. Yes, a very long time ago, but some of my fondest memories 
are from my time there. I found the German people; they share a great deal that 
I value: politeness and good manners, dignity and respect, the common good 
(versus everyman for himself), craftsmanship and engineering for both form and 
function. If one had patience and respected their culture, I also found a good 
sense humor.

or maybe it was just all about the amazing beer!

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 3:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

>Hi Stefan,
>
>So I did a deep dive to figure out the source of your confusion re thinking 
>QAM256 and MU-MIMO would require new hardware.
>
>On FEB 4 you asked your Telrad rep this question:
>
>" I've done some additional googling and found a very interesting presentation 
>of Patrick Leary:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLHW9Bk7_nA
>
>There is a roadmap with features like MU-MIMO and 256 QAM in 2015.
>
>Buying a CMP1000, CPE 7000, CPE 7001 now this features come to this Hardware 
>or will there be newer Hardware Releases in the future to implement this? Will 
>there be additional license costs or will this upgrades be included?"

>The sales person responding to you looked at the total list, which included 
>both CPE and base stations and then gave the answer he did. Even though your 
>English is MUCH better than my >German, neither of you are native English 
>speakers, so that contributed to the confusion. He should have separated out 
>the CPE answer from the base station answer. The CPE 7000 model -- a category 
>4 UE -- will not support those LTE Advanced features, not ours, not anyone's. 
>Our COMPACT1000 eNodeB base station, however, will. It will accept these 
>features and more.

>Do you understand now?

>Patrick Leary

Thanks Patrick to clarify this.

Your product realy points toward the future. Hope your/telrads business will 
succeed so we all get a great option.
I just have a ROI problem in my special (german) case. The price competition is 
very hard here so we have to be dirt cheap while increasing bandwidth. This is 
different from region to region and depends on the infrastructure our national 
telekom has built. In some (other) regions there is fiber built out in a way it 
is not usable for broadband. There it is easier to compete.
Pointed your EMEA college to a WISP in this region.

We're going the way to build smaller cells using wifi-based gear mixed with DSL 
and some special projects where we connect larger buildings with licensed and 
inhouse Fiber/DSL buildouts. Our target is to offer "up to" 100Mbit/s Service 
to customers starting this year.









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Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

2015-03-06 Thread David Milholen

You have to watch those temperatures on the smaller switches. Also, 
voltage could be an issue with the CCR units.

I found the CCRs get flakey when anything above 27v  hits it.
I still use them  extensively in our system though. If I can get them 
settled around 24v I dont have any issues.


This is why I want mikrotik to come out with a more hardened router and 
switch that both have external terminals for

dc connect and have a better range for dirty dc


On 3/5/2015 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What about Mikrotik switches?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Tim Wright > wrote:


Anyone got recommendations for a layer 2 managed switch with a
decent GUI that can withstand Wisconsin winters and summers 1000ft
in the air?




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Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

E-mail their support (supp...@mikrotik.com) and tell them what you want. 
Seriously. Do it now. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "David Milholen"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:33:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch 

You have to watch those temperatures on the smaller switches. Also, voltage 
could be an issue with the CCR units. 
I found the CCRs get flakey when anything above 27v hits it. 
I still use them extensively in our system though. If I can get them settled 
around 24v I dont have any issues. 

This is why I want mikrotik to come out with a more hardened router and switch 
that both have external terminals for 
dc connect and have a better range for dirty dc 



On 3/5/2015 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



What about Mikrotik switches? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Tim Wright < twright1...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Anyone got recommendations for a layer 2 managed switch with a decent GUI that 
can withstand Wisconsin winters and summers 1000ft in the air? 







--

[AFMUG] Cleaning up Inventory and have the following for sale

2015-03-06 Thread Yent, Timothy M

 Motorola/Cambium  Used
  
 2.4 6dB  Stingers   21
 2.4 SM's 2400SM   19
 2450AP  2
 2.4 Test Adapter   1
  
 Ubiquiti
  
 Toughswitch TS-5-POE1  New
 Bullet M5  1  Used
  
  
 Misc
  
 SMMB1A  Universal Mounting Bracket   12 
  
 Contact me off list with offers for anything you are interested in.
  
 Tim

Re: [AFMUG] More mail list critiques - dmarc

FWIW (and keep in mind I’m quoting someone else so I can’t control the 
politeness or lack thereof), here is what a developer on another list I 
subscribe to posted regarding DMARC “fixes” to mailman:

I'm not really inclined to "patch" something that RedHat clearly thinks
is *not* broken. And they are right on that assessment. It's not broken.

It *only* is a problem because Yahoo is illiterate and ignorant on RFC's
and made up their own "standard" called DMARC. Which are so piss poor
that the IETF outright rejected it and suggested a complete rewrite from
scratch.

With that in mind my sympathy for Yahoo email users has hit an all time
low and it wasn't particularly high before that. They can't get
legitimate and RFC conforming non-SPAM mail from standard mailing lists?
Because of Yahoo being a dick? Sorry, but why do people still stick with
Yahoo? And why should I spend days on fixing that? That doesn't
"un-dick" Yahoo. It only makes matters worse. Just wait for their next
"standard" to be rolled out.



From: Robbie Wright 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] More mail list critiques - dmarc

I know it is a thankless job, so thanks Paul and crew for battling the mailing 
list and all the "feedback" that comes with it. I know some of the DKIM stuff 
was talked about before but the mailing list is still attempting to twist some 
of the header info in an incorrect manner. 

Specifically, many of the emails from the list will go right to spam. Google 
even tries to help.


The reason why this is happening is this:

Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
   spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
014bede4f828-7a6d5c1b-9fc6-4a97-a3d1-77708e78790d-000...@amazonses.com 
designates 54.240.9.55 as permitted sender) 
smtp.mail=014bede4f828-7a6d5c1b-9fc6-4a97-a3d1-77708e78790d-000...@amazonses.com;
   dkim=pass header.i=@amazonses.com;
   dmarc=fail (p=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=siuslawbroadband.com
Note that SPF and DKIM both pass because SES is sending those for their own 
domain but the mail is faking our domain, which in this cases cases DMARC to 
fail and quarantine the email. As more people roll out DKIM and DMARC, the 
amount of spam that is generated from the list will go up quickly. This 
basically boils down to the list faking the from address from our domain and 
our DMARC record saying, "Not so fast."

I know how I would fix this, but I wanted to see what the group (politely) 
thought about it. 


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband
541-902-5101

Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

Problem found but not understood.

EoIP tunnel was traversing (but not terminating on) a CCR that had been 
upgraded to 6.27.  Downgrading FW fixed problem.  Problem seems to be related 
to full 1500 byte packets inside the tunnel.  No parameters like L2 MTU seem to 
have changed between FW versions.

Strange.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

And if there are things like NAT or routing over RFC1918 space, then it breaks 
PMTUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery )

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CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 03/05/2015 04:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  My max DNS UDP packet size is 512. I assume that's the default. MTUs over 
1500 wouldn't affect any traffic flowing through as the device on the other end 
wasn't able to pass a packet more than 1500 to begin with. I'd imagine what was 
happening is that your MT was generating DNS requests that were larger than 
could pass through the Intarwebz.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

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  From: "Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:06:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  I bumped the L2 MTU to 2028, max of that particular unit and set the other 
side to match, then DNS stopped working. Traffic worked, I could ping by IP but 
not by name. Of course my DNS server was on the other side of that cable, so a 
handful of folks were having issues.

  I dropped the L2 MTU back to default on MT of 1600, improved, but not 100%.

  I had the DNS max packet size set to 4048 or so, dropped it back down to 
1536, started improving.

  UDP speed tests were all over the map, then would randomly quit. TCP was 
decently reliable, though not as fast as they should be.

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

Packet capture?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:57:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

wowhow did you figure that out?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Waldrop 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  I've got one similar to that.

  DNS doesn't work.

  TCP works okay, but DNS just absolutely fails.

  Turns out the Ethernet port is dying on me. I've got extra hardware in 
the 
  air, so quick fix is a wireless shot from the AP to the ground to the 
switch 
  that feeds the PTP shots.

  It'll work until I can fix it properly.

  What is happening in my case is the Ethernet is dropping packets, frames, 
  something. TCP retransmits, UDP just disappears.

  Not sure if that will explain your broken download issue, but it is one 
of 
  those odd problems.

  Could be the server side is just dropping the connection after 100+ 
  retransmits.

  - Original Message - 
  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:10 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  >
  > I can't figure this out, but it seems like the sort of thing someone 
else 
  > here will say "oh, I know what causes that".
  >
  > I've been tracking a smattering of customer complaints about downloads 
  > just stopping, and finally was able to reproduce it.  I Googled for 
large 
  > file downloads and took the first one that came up:
  > https://www.futurehosting.com/network-test-files/
  > and found the downloads would stop repeatedly at the same point. 
  > Different for each file and server location, but the same for repeated 
  > downloads of the same file.  For example the 100MB file from Michigan 
kept 
  > stopping at 8MB.  It chugged along fine, then slowed dramatically and 
  > stopped, with no traffic either direction.  Yet a ping to the same IP 
  > address never had a problem.
  >
  > Note it is NOT the computer, the server, or last mile radios.  I was 
able 
  > to see it going only through backhaul radios and routers, no AP/CPE.  
And 
  > it works fine with the same computer here at my house on AT&T.
  >
  > Tomorrow I need to chase it back toward my network border.  I am not 
  > conversant with Wireshark so hav

Re: [AFMUG] [Telrad] LTE Categories

Both Nick and I are in agreement with you on that front. Carrier aggregation is 
a horribly way to use spectrum. Things like MU-MIMO are far better approaches. 
Carrier agg is the technically lazy, cheap (as in R&D cheap) and band-hosing 
method to increase capacity.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: telrad-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:telrad-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:54 AM
To: tel...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Telrad] LTE Categories

Softbank\Sprint push heavily on the B41 front. 8T8R makes 2.5 perform similarly 
to 1.9 regarding range. CA doesn't get me as excited as a lot of people...  
just light up more channels and push people around.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: tel...@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:49:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Telrad] LTE Categories
Verizon is banking heavily on CA with 5 and 3.5 Ghz.. That would help in the 
push….

But in Band 41, there are plenty of chipsets – its a very popular band in China 
and Japan, among others like US (Sprint) I would love to see better CAT support 
on band 41 CPES



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Mike Hammett mailto:telrad-l...@ics-il.net>>
Reply-To: "tel...@wispa.org" 
mailto:tel...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:19 AM
To: "tel...@wispa.org" 
mailto:tel...@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [Telrad] LTE Categories

*nods* Makes sense. The latest phones (as in not released yet) can do 3x 20 MHz 
carrier aggregation. Not currently possible in 3.65, but would be in a 3550 
world.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Patrick Leary" 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>>
To: tel...@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:16:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Telrad] LTE Categories
I think it more relates to the band. It is all about mass. As I have shared 
with many, I think that changes fast with the advent of 3.55 GHz.

Patrick Leary
M727.501.3735
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From: telrad-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:telrad-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:11 AM
To: tel...@wispa.org
Subject: [Telrad] LTE Categories

The mobile world has category 9 and category 10 chipsets. Why is the fixed 
world so behind? (Honest question.)


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Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

2015-03-06 Thread Andreas Wiatowski

Prost!! 

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
Web: www.silowireless.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/silowireless
Twitter: @silowireless

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: March 6, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Thank you Stefan. I wish my advocacy could translate better overseas, but I 
know conditions vary dramatically between regions.

Where in Germany are you? I lived in Heilbronn in the mid-1980. The Schwäbisch 
area is beautiful. Yes, a very long time ago, but some of my fondest memories 
are from my time there. I found the German people; they share a great deal that 
I value: politeness and good manners, dignity and respect, the common good 
(versus everyman for himself), craftsmanship and engineering for both form and 
function. If one had patience and respected their culture, I also found a good 
sense humor. 

or maybe it was just all about the amazing beer!

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 3:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

>Hi Stefan,
>
>So I did a deep dive to figure out the source of your confusion re thinking 
>QAM256 and MU-MIMO would require new hardware.
>
>On FEB 4 you asked your Telrad rep this question:
>
>" I've done some additional googling and found a very interesting presentation 
>of Patrick Leary:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLHW9Bk7_nA
>
>There is a roadmap with features like MU-MIMO and 256 QAM in 2015.
>
>Buying a CMP1000, CPE 7000, CPE 7001 now this features come to this Hardware 
>or will there be newer Hardware Releases in the future to implement this? Will 
>there be additional license costs or will this upgrades be included?"

>The sales person responding to you looked at the total list, which included 
>both CPE and base stations and then gave the answer he did. Even though your 
>English is MUCH better than my >German, neither of you are native English 
>speakers, so that contributed to the confusion. He should have separated out 
>the CPE answer from the base station answer. The CPE 7000 model -- a category 
>4 UE -- will not support those LTE Advanced features, not ours, not anyone's. 
>Our COMPACT1000 eNodeB base station, however, will. It will accept these 
>features and more.

>Do you understand now?

>Patrick Leary

Thanks Patrick to clarify this.

Your product realy points toward the future. Hope your/telrads business will 
succeed so we all get a great option.
I just have a ROI problem in my special (german) case. The price competition is 
very hard here so we have to be dirt cheap while increasing bandwidth. This is 
different from region to region and depends on the infrastructure our national 
telekom has built. In some (other) regions there is fiber built out in a way it 
is not usable for broadband. There it is easier to compete.
Pointed your EMEA college to a WISP in this region.

We're going the way to build smaller cells using wifi-based gear mixed with DSL 
and some special projects where we connect larger buildings with licensed and 
inhouse Fiber/DSL buildouts. Our target is to offer "up to" 100Mbit/s Service 
to customers starting this year.






 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Danke.

Just a few hours away. I've earned a few nicely crafted beers this weekend.

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Prost!! 

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
Web: www.silowireless.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/silowireless
Twitter: @silowireless

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: March 6, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

Thank you Stefan. I wish my advocacy could translate better overseas, but I 
know conditions vary dramatically between regions.

Where in Germany are you? I lived in Heilbronn in the mid-1980. The Schwäbisch 
area is beautiful. Yes, a very long time ago, but some of my fondest memories 
are from my time there. I found the German people; they share a great deal that 
I value: politeness and good manners, dignity and respect, the common good 
(versus everyman for himself), craftsmanship and engineering for both form and 
function. If one had patience and respected their culture, I also found a good 
sense humor. 

or maybe it was just all about the amazing beer!

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 3:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Stefan, FYI re QAM256, MU-MIMO

>Hi Stefan,
>
>So I did a deep dive to figure out the source of your confusion re thinking 
>QAM256 and MU-MIMO would require new hardware.
>
>On FEB 4 you asked your Telrad rep this question:
>
>" I've done some additional googling and found a very interesting presentation 
>of Patrick Leary:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLHW9Bk7_nA
>
>There is a roadmap with features like MU-MIMO and 256 QAM in 2015.
>
>Buying a CMP1000, CPE 7000, CPE 7001 now this features come to this Hardware 
>or will there be newer Hardware Releases in the future to implement this? Will 
>there be additional license costs or will this upgrades be included?"

>The sales person responding to you looked at the total list, which included 
>both CPE and base stations and then gave the answer he did. Even though your 
>English is MUCH better than my >German, neither of you are native English 
>speakers, so that contributed to the confusion. He should have separated out 
>the CPE answer from the base station answer. The CPE 7000 model -- a category 
>4 UE -- will not support those LTE Advanced features, not ours, not anyone's. 
>Our COMPACT1000 eNodeB base station, however, will. It will accept these 
>features and more.

>Do you understand now?

>Patrick Leary

Thanks Patrick to clarify this.

Your product realy points toward the future. Hope your/telrads business will 
succeed so we all get a great option.
I just have a ROI problem in my special (german) case. The price competition is 
very hard here so we have to be dirt cheap while increasing bandwidth. This is 
different from region to region and depends on the infrastructure our national 
telekom has built. In some (other) regions there is fiber built out in a way it 
is not usable for broadband. There it is easier to compete.
Pointed your EMEA college to a WISP in this region.

We're going the way to build smaller cells using wifi-based gear mixed with DSL 
and some special projects where we connect larger buildings with licensed and 
inhouse Fiber/DSL buildouts. Our target is to offer "up to" 100Mbit/s Service 
to customers starting this year.






 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] [Telrad] LTE Categories

Meant to say "horribly inefficient" and I mean it specifically within shared 
bands. If people want to agg in their own bought bands, that is to me 
different. Problem then though is, what size channel is too big? That's a 
judgment question and one technology can solve to certain extents.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:08 AM
To: tel...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [Telrad] LTE Categories

Both Nick and I are in agreement with you on that front. Carrier aggregation is 
a horribly way to use spectrum. Things like MU-MIMO are far better approaches. 
Carrier agg is the technically lazy, cheap (as in R&D cheap) and band-hosing 
method to increase capacity.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: telrad-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:telrad-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:54 AM
To: tel...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Telrad] LTE Categories

Softbank\Sprint push heavily on the B41 front. 8T8R makes 2.5 perform similarly 
to 1.9 regarding range. CA doesn't get me as excited as a lot of people...  
just light up more channels and push people around.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Gino Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
To: tel...@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:49:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Telrad] LTE Categories
Verizon is banking heavily on CA with 5 and 3.5 Ghz.. That would help in the 
push….

But in Band 41, there are plenty of chipsets – its a very popular band in China 
and Japan, among others like US (Sprint) I would love to see better CAT support 
on band 41 CPES



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Mike Hammett mailto:telrad-l...@ics-il.net>>
Reply-To: "tel...@wispa.org" 
mailto:tel...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:19 AM
To: "tel...@wispa.org" 
mailto:tel...@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [Telrad] LTE Categories

*nods* Makes sense. The latest phones (as in not released yet) can do 3x 20 MHz 
carrier aggregation. Not currently possible in 3.65, but would be in a 3550 
world.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Patrick Leary" 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>>
To: tel...@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:16:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Telrad] LTE Categories
I think it more relates to the band. It is all about mass. As I have shared 
with many, I think that changes fast with the advent of 3.55 GHz.

Patrick Leary
M727.501.3735
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[mailto:telrad-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:11 AM
To: tel...@wispa.org
Subject: [Telrad] LTE Categories

The mobile world has category 9 and category 10 chipsets. Why is the fixed 
world so behind? (Honest question.)


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Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

2015-03-06 Thread David


Done!
  I am just not sure why anyone else has suggested this.
Or am I all alone :)

On 03/06/2015 07:35 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
E-mail their support (supp...@mikrotik.com) and tell them what you 
want. Seriously. Do it now.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




*From: *"David Milholen" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 7:33:37 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

You have to watch those temperatures on the smaller switches. Also, 
voltage could be an issue with the CCR units.

I found the CCRs get flakey when anything above 27v  hits it.
I still use them  extensively in our system though. If I can get them 
settled around 24v I dont have any issues.


This is why I want mikrotik to come out with a more hardened router 
and switch that both have external terminals for

dc connect and have a better range for dirty dc


On 3/5/2015 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What about Mikrotik switches?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Tim Wright mailto:twright1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anyone got recommendations for a layer 2 managed switch with a
decent GUI that can withstand Wisconsin winters and summers
1000ft in the air?



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Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

I suggest many things to many vendors. Sometimes their response would result in 
some incredible discomfort. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "David"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:21:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch 

Done! 
I am just not sure why anyone else has suggested this. 
Or am I all alone :) 


On 03/06/2015 07:35 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



E-mail their support ( supp...@mikrotik.com ) and tell them what you want. 
Seriously. Do it now. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "David Milholen"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:33:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch 

You have to watch those temperatures on the smaller switches. Also, voltage 
could be an issue with the CCR units. 
I found the CCRs get flakey when anything above 27v hits it. 
I still use them extensively in our system though. If I can get them settled 
around 24v I dont have any issues. 

This is why I want mikrotik to come out with a more hardened router and switch 
that both have external terminals for 
dc connect and have a better range for dirty dc 



On 3/5/2015 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



What about Mikrotik switches? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Tim Wright < twright1...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Anyone got recommendations for a layer 2 managed switch with a decent GUI that 
can withstand Wisconsin winters and summers 1000ft in the air? 







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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Dst-nat question

2015-03-06 Thread David


What about?
/ip firewall nat
add action-masquerade chain=srcnat out-interface=Public_ip_interface

On 03/05/2015 09:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

No, just

/ip firewall nat

add action=masquerade chain=srcnat src-address=192.168.2.0/24 





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Gabriel Pike 
mailto:gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net>> wrote:


What Josh is saying is to create srcnat rules that equal your
dstnat rules eg.

/ip firewall nat

add action=masquerade chain=srcnat dst-port=CLIENT_DVR_PORT
src-address=192.168.2.0/24 

Regards,

Gabriel Pike

Network Support and Engineering

MTCNA

DMCI Broadband, LLC 

gabrielp...@dmcibb.net 

877.936.2422 

Ext. 103

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Dst-nat question

Ya I see what you're saying. That's why I suggested that answer. 
That way you can still type in the public IP.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

Josh,

Let me clarify

When the customer is not home and is on a public network he will
access his DVR via the public IP address 199.47.xxx.yyy.  This works
fine.

However, if he tries to access the public IP address while he is at
home, we have an issue.  It doesn't work.  He needs to access the DVR
via the local address 192.168.2.137.

In most cases this is fine if the device lives in just one space such
as a desktop.  It gets annoying when the device moves from space to
space such as cell phone.  Yes, I can put two entries in the DVR APP.
 But that seems like rigging it to the normal user.

I would like to a nat, netmap, etc.  When the user acesses
199.47.xxx.yyy from his private 192.168.2.0/24
 network, it actually
will access 192.168.2.137 on the private network.

Ideas?


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Thursday, March 5, 2015, 5:53:18 PM, you wrote:

JL> Masquerade the local traffic.ï¿œ Jobs done.

JL> Josh Luthman
JL> Office: 937-552-2340 
JL> Direct: 937-552-2343 
JL> 1100 Wayne St
JL> Suite 1337
JL> Troy, OH 45373

JL> On Mar 5, 2015 5:41 PM, "Mark - Myakka Technologies"
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
JL> I have a customer with a DVR, so we do the port forwarding
thing in
JL> mikrotik and they can now access the DVR from the Internet all is
JL> good.

JL> However, I want to do some type of re-direct on the internal
network
JL> so they can use the public IP on the internal network to
access the
JL> DVR.

JL> This is what I tried?

JL> 1ï¿œ ï¿œ ;;; DVR TCP External Access (works fine)
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ chain=dstnat action=dst-nat
to-addresses=192.168.2.137 protocol=tcp
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ in-interface=ether1 dst-port=8080,554,8000 log=no
log-prefix=""

JL> ï¿œ2 Xï¿œ ;;; DVR TCP Internal Access (Not Working)
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ chain=dstnat action=netmap
to-addresses=192.168.2.137 protocol=tcp
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ dst-address=199.47.xxx.yyy in-interface=Local
dst-port=8080,554,8000
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ log=no log-prefix=""

JL> Tried both netmap and dst-nat on line 2 with no luck






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mailto:m...@mailmt.com 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Dst-nat question

Drop the out interface, that's you problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 6, 2015 9:28 AM, "David"  wrote:

>  What about?
> /ip firewall nat
> add action-masquerade chain=srcnat out-interface=Public_ip_interface
>
> On 03/05/2015 09:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> No, just
>
>  /ip firewall nat
>
> add action=masquerade chain=srcnat src-address=192.168.2.0/24
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Gabriel Pike 
> wrote:
>
>>  What Josh is saying is to create srcnat rules that equal your dstnat
>> rules eg.
>>
>>
>>
>> /ip firewall nat
>>
>> add action=masquerade chain=srcnat dst-port=CLIENT_DVR_PORT src-address=
>> 192.168.2.0/24
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gabriel Pike
>>
>> Network Support and Engineering
>>
>> MTCNA
>>
>> DMCI Broadband, LLC 
>>
>> gabrielp...@dmcibb.net
>>
>>
>>
>> 877.936.2422
>>
>> Ext. 103
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Dst-nat question
>>
>>
>>
>> Ya I see what you're saying.  That's why I suggested that answer.  That
>> way you can still type in the public IP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Let me clarify
>>
>> When the customer is not home and is on a public network he will
>> access his DVR via the public IP address 199.47.xxx.yyy.  This works
>> fine.
>>
>> However, if he tries to access the public IP address while he is at
>> home, we have an issue.  It doesn't work.  He needs to access the DVR
>> via the local address 192.168.2.137.
>>
>> In most cases this is fine if the device lives in just one space such
>> as a desktop.  It gets annoying when the device moves from space to
>> space such as cell phone.  Yes, I can put two entries in the DVR APP.
>>  But that seems like rigging it to the normal user.
>>
>> I would like to a nat, netmap, etc.  When the user acesses
>> 199.47.xxx.yyy from his private 192.168.2.0/24 network, it actually
>> will access 192.168.2.137 on the private network.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.MyakkaTech.com
>>
>> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>>
>> Please Donate at
>> http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009&pg=team&fr_id=37555
>> --
>>
>> Thursday, March 5, 2015, 5:53:18 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> JL> Masquerade the local traffic.ï¿œ Jobs done.
>>
>> JL> Josh Luthman
>> JL> Office: 937-552-2340
>> JL> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> JL> 1100 Wayne St
>> JL> Suite 1337
>> JL> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> JL> On Mar 5, 2015 5:41 PM, "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
>> wrote:
>> JL> I have a customer with a DVR, so we do the port forwarding thing in
>> JL> mikrotik and they can now access the DVR from the Internet all is
>> JL> good.
>>
>> JL> However, I want to do some type of re-direct on the internal network
>> JL> so they can use the public IP on the internal network to access the
>> JL> DVR.
>>
>> JL> This is what I tried?
>>
>> JL> 1ï¿œ ï¿œ ;;; DVR TCP External Access (works fine)
>> JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ chain=dstnat action=dst-nat to-addresses=192.168.2.137
>> protocol=tcp
>> JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ in-interface=ether1 dst-port=8080,554,8000 log=no
>> log-prefix=""
>>
>> JL> ï¿œ2 Xï¿œ ;;; DVR TCP Internal Access (Not Working)
>> JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ chain=dstnat action=netmap to-addresses=192.168.2.137
>> protocol=tcp
>> JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ dst-address=199.47.xxx.yyy in-interface=Local
>> dst-port=8080,554,8000
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Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

2015-03-06 Thread Darren Shea

The only thing in the article which undermines that reading of the facts is 
this line: “Roku eventually got approval last December, but Sony devices are 
still locked out.”

 

That implies that Comcast customers are allowed to use the HBOGo service, but 
only with certain, pre-approved by Comcast, clients. That might run afoul of 
the new Net Neutrality rules, especially if the protocols, ports and bitrates 
are identical, regardless of of the client used. 

 

It’s one thing for a cable provider (like Time Warner) to refuse to participate 
in an unrelated network’s non-broadcast offerings (like the Disney Channel 
app), it may be another for the provider to say people running the app on an 
iPhone can use it, but people using the Windows Phone version cannot. We’re in 
uncharted territory here!

 

n  Darren

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

 

Based just on a quick Google search (so I could be mistaken), this appears to 
be total bullshit.  This is how HBO Go describes itself on their website:

 

“Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit movies, sports, 
comedy and more, plus bonus features and behind-the-scenes extras. It’s all 
free with your HBO subscription through participating television providers and 
available on your favorite devices.”

 

In other words, it’s exactly the same as complaining that a WISP doesn’t “give” 
its customers ESPN3.

 

HBO Go appears not to be an OTT service with individual subscriptions.  It 
appears to be an extra, Internet based service that comes only with HBO from a 
cable provider.  So the complaint appears to be that Comcast has not offered 
HBO Go to its cable customers who have HBO.  It seems to me that is different 
from “blocking” HBO Go to your Internet customers, as the article claims.

 

 

From: Mike Hammett   

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:08 PM

To: Animal Farm   

Subject: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

 

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200479-this-is-why-we-need-internet-regulation-comcast-blocks-hbo-go-app-from-working-on-ps4

Do we know anything about this? The article above runs over Comcast with a bus, 
but does little to technically explain why\how Comcast is blocking them.

Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

It's an authentication server issue (on the TV service side of the house), not 
an Internet blockage. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Darren Shea"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:44:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4? 



The only thing in the article which undermines that reading of the facts is 
this line: “Roku eventually got approval last December, but Sony devices are 
still locked out.” 

That implies that Comcast customers are allowed to use the HBOGo service, but 
only with certain, pre-approved by Comcast, clients. That might run afoul of 
the new Net Neutrality rules, especially if the protocols, ports and bitrates 
are identical, regardless of of the client used. 

It’s one thing for a cable provider (like Time Warner) to refuse to participate 
in an unrelated network’s non-broadcast offerings (like the Disney Channel 
app), it may be another for the provider to say people running the app on an 
iPhone can use it, but people using the Windows Phone version cannot. We’re in 
uncharted territory here! 

n Darren 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4? 




Based just on a quick Google search (so I could be mistaken), this appears to 
be total bullshit. This is how HBO Go describes itself on their website: 



“Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit movies, sports, 
comedy and more, plus bonus features and behind-the-scenes extras. It’s all 
free with your HBO subscription through participating television providers and 
available on your favorite devices.” 



In other words, it’s exactly the same as complaining that a WISP doesn’t “give” 
its customers ESPN3. 



HBO Go appears not to be an OTT service with individual subscriptions. It 
appears to be an extra, Internet based service that comes only with HBO from a 
cable provider. So the complaint appears to be that Comcast has not offered HBO 
Go to its cable customers who have HBO. It seems to me that is different from 
“blocking” HBO Go to your Internet customers, as the article claims. 








From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:08 PM 

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4? 




http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200479-this-is-why-we-need-internet-regulation-comcast-blocks-hbo-go-app-from-working-on-ps4
 

Do we know anything about this? The article above runs over Comcast with a bus, 
but does little to technically explain why\how Comcast is blocking them.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Dst-nat question

2015-03-06 Thread David


Yes, Because we only need just that network to be mask nothing more.

On 03/06/2015 08:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Drop the out interface, that's you problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 6, 2015 9:28 AM, "David" > wrote:


What about?
/ip firewall nat
add action-masquerade chain=srcnat out-interface=Public_ip_interface

On 03/05/2015 09:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

No, just

/ip firewall nat

add action=masquerade chain=srcnat src-address=192.168.2.0/24




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Gabriel Pike
mailto:gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net>> wrote:

What Josh is saying is to create srcnat rules that equal your
dstnat rules eg.

/ip firewall nat

add action=masquerade chain=srcnat dst-port=CLIENT_DVR_PORT
src-address=192.168.2.0/24 

Regards,

Gabriel Pike

Network Support and Engineering

MTCNA

DMCI Broadband, LLC 

gabrielp...@dmcibb.net 

877.936.2422 

Ext. 103

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Dst-nat question

Ya I see what you're saying.  That's why I suggested that
answer.  That way you can still type in the public IP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

Josh,

Let me clarify

When the customer is not home and is on a public network he will
access his DVR via the public IP address 199.47.xxx.yyy. 
This works

fine.

However, if he tries to access the public IP address while he
is at
home, we have an issue.  It doesn't work.  He needs to access
the DVR
via the local address 192.168.2.137.

In most cases this is fine if the device lives in just one
space such
as a desktop.  It gets annoying when the device moves from
space to
space such as cell phone.  Yes, I can put two entries in the
DVR APP.
 But that seems like rigging it to the normal user.

I would like to a nat, netmap, etc. When the user acesses
199.47.xxx.yyy from his private 192.168.2.0/24
 network, it actually
will access 192.168.2.137 on the private network.

Ideas?


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Thursday, March 5, 2015, 5:53:18 PM, you wrote:

JL> Masquerade the local traffic.ï¿œ Jobs done.

JL> Josh Luthman
JL> Office: 937-552-2340 
JL> Direct: 937-552-2343 
JL> 1100 Wayne St
JL> Suite 1337
JL> Troy, OH 45373

JL> On Mar 5, 2015 5:41 PM, "Mark - Myakka Technologies"
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
JL> I have a customer with a DVR, so we do the port
forwarding thing in
JL> mikrotik and they can now access the DVR from the
Internet all is
JL> good.

JL> However, I want to do some type of re-direct on the
internal network
JL> so they can use the public IP on the internal network to
access the
JL> DVR.

JL> This is what I tried?

JL> 1ï¿œ ï¿œ ;;; DVR TCP External Access (works fine)
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ chain=dstnat action=dst-nat
to-addresses=192.168.2.137 protocol=tcp
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ in-interface=ether1 dst-port=8080,554,8000
log=no log-prefix=""

JL> ï¿œ2 Xï¿œ ;;; DVR TCP Internal Access (Not Working)
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ chain=dstnat action=netmap
to-addresses=192.168.2.137 protocol=tcp
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ dst-address=199.47.xxx.yyy in-interface=Local
dst-port=8080,554,8000
JL> ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ log=no log-prefix=""

JL> Tried both netmap and dst-nat on line 2 with no luck






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ï¿œ mailto

Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

I think HBO just released a subscription service called HBO Now at $15/month.  
That should clarify things.  I doubt Comcast interferes with HBO Now.  HBO Go 
is part of the cable TV subscription, not an OTT service.

This is so annoying.  On the one hand, people want you to believe the FCC Order 
is just 3 simple net neutrality rules, ignoring 300 pages of unrelated stuff 
inside the Trojan Horse.  On the other hand, people are going to call 
everything they don’t like a Net Neutrality violation now.  Ooooh, I don’t like 
the way Left Shark dances, that’s a Net Neutrality violation.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

It's an authentication server issue (on the TV service side of the house), not 
an Internet blockage.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: "Darren Shea" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:44:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?


The only thing in the article which undermines that reading of the facts is 
this line: “Roku eventually got approval last December, but Sony devices are 
still locked out.”



That implies that Comcast customers are allowed to use the HBOGo service, but 
only with certain, pre-approved by Comcast, clients. That might run afoul of 
the new Net Neutrality rules, especially if the protocols, ports and bitrates 
are identical, regardless of of the client used. 



It’s one thing for a cable provider (like Time Warner) to refuse to participate 
in an unrelated network’s non-broadcast offerings (like the Disney Channel 
app), it may be another for the provider to say people running the app on an 
iPhone can use it, but people using the Windows Phone version cannot. We’re in 
uncharted territory here!



n  Darren



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?



Based just on a quick Google search (so I could be mistaken), this appears to 
be total bullshit.  This is how HBO Go describes itself on their website:



“Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit movies, sports, 
comedy and more, plus bonus features and behind-the-scenes extras. It’s all 
free with your HBO subscription through participating television providers and 
available on your favorite devices.”



In other words, it’s exactly the same as complaining that a WISP doesn’t “give” 
its customers ESPN3.



HBO Go appears not to be an OTT service with individual subscriptions.  It 
appears to be an extra, Internet based service that comes only with HBO from a 
cable provider.  So the complaint appears to be that Comcast has not offered 
HBO Go to its cable customers who have HBO.  It seems to me that is different 
from “blocking” HBO Go to your Internet customers, as the article claims.





From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:08 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?



http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200479-this-is-why-we-need-internet-regulation-comcast-blocks-hbo-go-app-from-working-on-ps4

Do we know anything about this? The article above runs over Comcast with a bus, 
but does little to technically explain why\how Comcast is blocking them.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.

2015-03-06 Thread Chuck Hogg

I-65 was shut down for most part of yesterday.  Good luck!

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We slid on ice yesterday morning on way to Midland we were lucky
> because Srx hit semi and pushed us into median.  We both hit ice and same
> time.  Our driver handled it well. No brake . The semi did as well.  Love
> tap scratch...glad my guardian angel was awake.  I was asleep in back seat
> when this  happened round 5 am Cst.  I was wide awake from then on...we
> slowed down and followed some trucks in front of us.   Lots of cars and few
> trucks had gone of highway eatlier.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Mar 5, 2015 8:55 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> My guess is after a full day of ice and then a full day of snow they're
>> probably not too hot.
>>
>> Google traffic has the major cities of the two states showing slow moving
>> traffic - at 11PM!!!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I had an ex-customer email me that Little Rock, AR was shut down from an
>>> ice/snow storm.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:45 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm ; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.
>>>
>>>
>>> How are the road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee? After a great
>>> visit with Brian Gray and the great folks at Joink to learn more about
>>> fiber installation I am leaving out in the morning headed back to
>>> Alabama. I understand there may have been ice and snow along my path and
>>> need to plan accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.

2015-03-06 Thread Jaime Solorza

We slid on ice yesterday morning on way to Midland we were lucky
because Srx hit semi and pushed us into median.  We both hit ice and same
time.  Our driver handled it well. No brake . The semi did as well.  Love
tap scratch...glad my guardian angel was awake.  I was asleep in back seat
when this  happened round 5 am Cst.  I was wide awake from then on...we
slowed down and followed some trucks in front of us.   Lots of cars and few
trucks had gone of highway eatlier.

Jaime Solorza
On Mar 5, 2015 8:55 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> My guess is after a full day of ice and then a full day of snow they're
> probably not too hot.
>
> Google traffic has the major cities of the two states showing slow moving
> traffic - at 11PM!!!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I had an ex-customer email me that Little Rock, AR was shut down from an
>> ice/snow storm.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:45 PM
>> To: Animal Farm ; WISPA General List
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.
>>
>>
>> How are the road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee? After a great
>> visit with Brian Gray and the great folks at Joink to learn more about
>> fiber installation I am leaving out in the morning headed back to
>> Alabama. I understand there may have been ice and snow along my path and
>> need to plan accordingly.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??


Good to know.
I have seen the test on the 709SC and it passed. In an Ethernet 
training class for a previous employer he bent the cable (not broken, 
just kinked), and the tester detected an error and told the distance 
to the kink.  It was a very expensive tester.  The next time I saw a 
tester like that we were doing a service call on a church and their IT 
contractor was there with one.  We had him test and it passed with no 
errors detected.


Use what you want, but I'd never use scotchlock connectors on Ethernet.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:43 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:


I call bs that the 709sc will preform any better than a scotchlock
connector. Att uses scotchlocks on uverse vdsl all day long. If uy
doesn't pass a gig test there is no way a 709sc will. Have you
actually done said test ?

On Mar 5, 2015 8:14 PM, "Jeremy" mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

End-to-end splices like the ones that I mentioned will pas a
gig test without showing impedance loss or cable errors. 
Phone style Y clips will not pass a gig test.  Cat-5 should

never be bent at more than a 4" radius.  You surely don't want
a 180 degree bend in a splice.  The 709SC are your best bet
for waterproof coupling.  Those giant inline couplers with
threaded glands on each side cost a fortune and are overkill.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:52 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

UY's work fine. Use them a bunch.

Has ANYONE found a inline waterproof catX coupler for like
$5 or less???

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Jeremy
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Those won't pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs. 
However, the Thomas and Betts 709SC works perfectly. 
You untwist less than a keystone jack for sure.


On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Something like one of these?


I always thought it would be fast.but I always
assumed it wouldn't pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6
specs.ï¿½ If you're untwisting more than 1/2" to
be able to physically fit the splice in, then I
think you're adding more crosstalk than a jack or
plug would.ï¿½

*shrug* if it's working, it's working.



Could be male/female, but lately I've been leaning towards 
butt spliced pairs ( times four ).

I think it's faster for the installes to just cut both 
cables, do a quick separation of pairs and press splice the four pairs together.

As opposed to punching down a female rj45 and putting a 
male rj45 end on.

Maybe not, still debating.

Not sure what the gigabit Ethernet loss/gain might be 
between these two methods either.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 3:11 PM
To:af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??

So what's going to be in the box? RJ45-RJ45 female-female 
coupler, or what?

bp


On 3/5/2015 10:30 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Mmmm, that second one might work.

The first one is a bit big for joining cable.

Still wish the second had an access hole in the back and 
were even smaller.

But that's better than any other option I've seen, thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:17 AM
To:af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??

How about this?


https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescP2GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=&OrderCount=0&OrderTotal=$.00

$2.99 if you buy 25+

Or


https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescB6GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=&OrderCount=0&OrderTotal=$.00

$1.45 at 25+

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com  '

Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

2015-03-06 Thread Rory McCann

MT introduced an auto-MTU option for EoIP tunnels a few versions back - 
perhaps that's the culprit?

Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

On 3/6/2015 8:03 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Problem found but not understood.
EoIP tunnel was traversing (but not terminating on) a CCR that had 
been upgraded to 6.27.  Downgrading FW fixed problem.  Problem seems 
to be related to full 1500 byte packets inside the tunnel.  No 
parameters like L2 MTU seem to have changed between FW versions.

Strange.
*From:* Josh Reynolds 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, 
etc. OK
And if there are things like NAT or routing over RFC1918 space, then 
it breaks PMTUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery )

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 03/05/2015 04:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
My max DNS UDP packet size is 512. I assume that's the default. MTUs 
over 1500 wouldn't affect any traffic flowing through as the device 
on the other end wasn't able to pass a packet more than 1500 to begin 
with. I'd imagine what was happening is that your MT was generating 
DNS requests that were larger than could pass through the Intarwebz.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:06:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, 
etc. OK

I bumped the L2 MTU to 2028, max of that particular unit and set the 
other side to match, then DNS stopped working. Traffic worked, I 
could ping by IP but not by name. Of course my DNS server was on the 
other side of that cable, so a handful of folks were having issues.
I dropped the L2 MTU back to default on MT of 1600, improved, but not 
100%.

I had the DNS max packet size set to 4048 or so, dropped it back down 
to 1536, started improving.

UDP speed tests were all over the map, then would randomly quit. TCP 
was decently reliable, though not as fast as they should be.

- Original Message -
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK
Packet capture?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:57:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK

wowhow did you figure that out?

- Original Message -
*From:* Glen Waldrop 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK
I've got one similar to that.

DNS doesn't work.

TCP works okay, but DNS just absolutely fails.

Turns out the Ethernet port is dying on me. I've got extra
hardware in the
air, so quick fix is a wireless shot from the AP to the
ground to the switch
that feeds the PTP shots.

It'll work until I can fix it properly.

What is happening in my case is the Ethernet is dropping
packets, frames,
something. TCP retransmits, UDP just disappears.

Not sure if that will explain your broken download issue, but
it is one of
those odd problems.

Could be the server side is just dropping the connection
after 100+
retransmits.

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK

>
> I can't figure this out, but it seems like the sort of
thing someone else
> here will say "oh, I know what causes that".
>
> I've been tracking a smattering of customer complaints
about downloads
> just stopping, and finally was able to reproduce it.  I

Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

What version did you roll back to?

Problem found but not understood.
EoIP tunnel was traversing (but not terminating on) a CCR that had 
been upgraded to 6.27.  Downgrading FW fixed problem.  Problem seems 
to be related to full 1500 byte packets inside the tunnel.  No 
parameters like L2 MTU seem to have changed between FW versions.

Strange.
*From:* Josh Reynolds 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, 
etc. OK
And if there are things like NAT or routing over RFC1918 space, then 
it breaks PMTUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery )

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 03/05/2015 04:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
My max DNS UDP packet size is 512. I assume that's the default. MTUs 
over 1500 wouldn't affect any traffic flowing through as the device 
on the other end wasn't able to pass a packet more than 1500 to begin 
with. I'd imagine what was happening is that your MT was generating 
DNS requests that were larger than could pass through the Intarwebz.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:06:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, 
etc. OK

I bumped the L2 MTU to 2028, max of that particular unit and set the 
other side to match, then DNS stopped working. Traffic worked, I 
could ping by IP but not by name. Of course my DNS server was on the 
other side of that cable, so a handful of folks were having issues.
I dropped the L2 MTU back to default on MT of 1600, improved, but not 
100%.

I had the DNS max packet size set to 4048 or so, dropped it back down 
to 1536, started improving.

UDP speed tests were all over the map, then would randomly quit. TCP 
was decently reliable, though not as fast as they should be.

- Original Message -
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK
Packet capture?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:57:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK

wowhow did you figure that out?

- Original Message -
*From:* Glen Waldrop 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK
I've got one similar to that.

DNS doesn't work.

TCP works okay, but DNS just absolutely fails.

Turns out the Ethernet port is dying on me. I've got extra
hardware in the
air, so quick fix is a wireless shot from the AP to the
ground to the switch
that feeds the PTP shots.

It'll work until I can fix it properly.

What is happening in my case is the Ethernet is dropping
packets, frames,
something. TCP retransmits, UDP just disappears.

Not sure if that will explain your broken download issue, but
it is one of
those odd problems.

Could be the server side is just dropping the connection
after 100+
retransmits.

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK

>
> I can't figure this out, but it seems like the sort of
thing someone else
> here will say "oh, I know what causes that".
>
> I've been tracking a smattering of customer complaints
about downloads
> just stopping, and finally was able to reproduce it.  I
Googled for large
> file downloads and took the first one that came up:
> https://www.futurehosting.com/network-test-files/
> and f

Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

The sort of thing that makes me squeamish about 6.x ROS.  Except that 
you have to use it for some of  the newer hardware platforms (like the 
aforementioned CCR).  We are stable on 5.26 unless forced down a 6.x path.

bp

On 3/6/2015 6:03 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Problem found but not understood.
EoIP tunnel was traversing (but not terminating on) a CCR that had 
been upgraded to 6.27.  Downgrading FW fixed problem.  Problem seems 
to be related to full 1500 byte packets inside the tunnel.  No 
parameters like L2 MTU seem to have changed between FW versions.

Strange.
*From:* Josh Reynolds 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, 
etc. OK
And if there are things like NAT or routing over RFC1918 space, then 
it breaks PMTUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery )

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 03/05/2015 04:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
My max DNS UDP packet size is 512. I assume that's the default. MTUs 
over 1500 wouldn't affect any traffic flowing through as the device 
on the other end wasn't able to pass a packet more than 1500 to begin 
with. I'd imagine what was happening is that your MT was generating 
DNS requests that were larger than could pass through the Intarwebz.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:06:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, 
etc. OK

I bumped the L2 MTU to 2028, max of that particular unit and set the 
other side to match, then DNS stopped working. Traffic worked, I 
could ping by IP but not by name. Of course my DNS server was on the 
other side of that cable, so a handful of folks were having issues.
I dropped the L2 MTU back to default on MT of 1600, improved, but not 
100%.

I had the DNS max packet size set to 4048 or so, dropped it back down 
to 1536, started improving.

UDP speed tests were all over the map, then would randomly quit. TCP 
was decently reliable, though not as fast as they should be.

- Original Message -
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK
Packet capture?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:57:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK

wowhow did you figure that out?

- Original Message -
*From:* Glen Waldrop 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK
I've got one similar to that.

DNS doesn't work.

TCP works okay, but DNS just absolutely fails.

Turns out the Ethernet port is dying on me. I've got extra
hardware in the
air, so quick fix is a wireless shot from the AP to the
ground to the switch
that feeds the PTP shots.

It'll work until I can fix it properly.

What is happening in my case is the Ethernet is dropping
packets, frames,
something. TCP retransmits, UDP just disappears.

Not sure if that will explain your broken download issue, but
it is one of
those odd problems.

Could be the server side is just dropping the connection
after 100+
retransmits.

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming,
speedtests, etc. OK

>
> I can't figure this out, but it seems like the sort of
thing someone else
> here will say "oh, I know what causes that".
>
> I've been tracking a smattering of customer complaints
about downloads

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.

Yikes. Scary stuff. Glad you came out okay.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D057F7.A7D50AC0]





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:06 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.


We slid on ice yesterday morning on way to Midland we were lucky because 
Srx hit semi and pushed us into median.  We both hit ice and same time.  Our 
driver handled it well. No brake . The semi did as well.  Love tap 
scratch...glad my guardian angel was awake.  I was asleep in back seat when 
this  happened round 5 am Cst.  I was wide awake from then on...we slowed 
down and followed some trucks in front of us.   Lots of cars and few trucks had 
gone of highway eatlier.

Jaime Solorza
On Mar 5, 2015 8:55 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
My guess is after a full day of ice and then a full day of snow they're 
probably not too hot.

Google traffic has the major cities of the two states showing slow moving 
traffic - at 11PM!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I had an ex-customer email me that Little Rock, AR was shut down from an 
ice/snow storm.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:45 PM
To: Animal Farm ; WISPA General List
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee.


How are the road conditions in Kentucky and Tennessee? After a great
visit with Brian Gray and the great folks at Joink to learn more about
fiber installation I am leaving out in the morning headed back to
Alabama. I understand there may have been ice and snow along my path and
need to plan accordingly.





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PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
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Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

The tunnel only passes through this router though, the ends of the tunnel are 
elsewhere.

From: Rory McCann 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

MT introduced an auto-MTU option for EoIP tunnels a few versions back - perhaps 
that's the culprit?

Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.netOn 3/6/2015 8:03 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Problem found but not understood.

  EoIP tunnel was traversing (but not terminating on) a CCR that had been 
upgraded to 6.27.  Downgrading FW fixed problem.  Problem seems to be related 
to full 1500 byte packets inside the tunnel.  No parameters like L2 MTU seem to 
have changed between FW versions.

  Strange.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  And if there are things like NAT or routing over RFC1918 space, then it 
breaks PMTUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery )

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 03/05/2015 04:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

My max DNS UDP packet size is 512. I assume that's the default. MTUs over 
1500 wouldn't affect any traffic flowing through as the device on the other end 
wasn't able to pass a packet more than 1500 to begin with. I'd imagine what was 
happening is that your MT was generating DNS requests that were larger than 
could pass through the Intarwebz.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: "Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:06:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

I bumped the L2 MTU to 2028, max of that particular unit and set the other 
side to match, then DNS stopped working. Traffic worked, I could ping by IP but 
not by name. Of course my DNS server was on the other side of that cable, so a 
handful of folks were having issues.

I dropped the L2 MTU back to default on MT of 1600, improved, but not 100%.

I had the DNS max packet size set to 4048 or so, dropped it back down to 
1536, started improving.

UDP speed tests were all over the map, then would randomly quit. TCP was 
decently reliable, though not as fast as they should be.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  Packet capture?

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

--

  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:57:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  wowhow did you figure that out?

- Original Message - 
From: Glen Waldrop 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. 
OK

I've got one similar to that.

DNS doesn't work.

TCP works okay, but DNS just absolutely fails.

Turns out the Ethernet port is dying on me. I've got extra hardware in 
the 
air, so quick fix is a wireless shot from the AP to the ground to the 
switch 
that feeds the PTP shots.

It'll work until I can fix it properly.

What is happening in my case is the Ethernet is dropping packets, 
frames, 
something. TCP retransmits, UDP just disappears.

Not sure if that will explain your broken download issue, but it is one 
of 
those odd problems.

Could be the server side is just dropping the connection after 100+ 
retransmits.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

>
> I can't figure this out, but it seems like the sort of thing someone 
else 
> here will say "oh, I know what causes that".
>
> I've been tracking a smattering of customer complaints about 
downloads 
> just stopping, and finally was able to reproduce it.  I Googled for 
large 
> file downloads and took the first one that came up:
> https://www.futurehosting.com/network-test-files/
> and found the downloads would stop repeatedly at the same point. 
> Different for each file and server location, but the same for 
repeated 
> downloads of the same file.  For example the 100MB file from Mic

Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

6.23

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

What version did you roll back to?

  Problem found but not understood.

  EoIP tunnel was traversing (but not terminating on) a CCR that had been 
upgraded to 6.27.  Downgrading FW fixed problem.  Problem seems to be related 
to full 1500 byte packets inside the tunnel.  No parameters like L2 MTU seem to 
have changed between FW versions.

  Strange.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  And if there are things like NAT or routing over RFC1918 space, then it 
breaks PMTUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery )

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 03/05/2015 04:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

My max DNS UDP packet size is 512. I assume that's the default. MTUs over 
1500 wouldn't affect any traffic flowing through as the device on the other end 
wasn't able to pass a packet more than 1500 to begin with. I'd imagine what was 
happening is that your MT was generating DNS requests that were larger than 
could pass through the Intarwebz.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: "Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:06:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

I bumped the L2 MTU to 2028, max of that particular unit and set the other 
side to match, then DNS stopped working. Traffic worked, I could ping by IP but 
not by name. Of course my DNS server was on the other side of that cable, so a 
handful of folks were having issues.

I dropped the L2 MTU back to default on MT of 1600, improved, but not 100%.

I had the DNS max packet size set to 4048 or so, dropped it back down to 
1536, started improving.

UDP speed tests were all over the map, then would randomly quit. TCP was 
decently reliable, though not as fast as they should be.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  Packet capture?

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

--

  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:57:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  wowhow did you figure that out?

- Original Message - 
From: Glen Waldrop 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. 
OK

I've got one similar to that.

DNS doesn't work.

TCP works okay, but DNS just absolutely fails.

Turns out the Ethernet port is dying on me. I've got extra hardware in 
the 
air, so quick fix is a wireless shot from the AP to the ground to the 
switch 
that feeds the PTP shots.

It'll work until I can fix it properly.

What is happening in my case is the Ethernet is dropping packets, 
frames, 
something. TCP retransmits, UDP just disappears.

Not sure if that will explain your broken download issue, but it is one 
of 
those odd problems.

Could be the server side is just dropping the connection after 100+ 
retransmits.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

>
> I can't figure this out, but it seems like the sort of thing someone 
else 
> here will say "oh, I know what causes that".
>
> I've been tracking a smattering of customer complaints about 
downloads 
> just stopping, and finally was able to reproduce it.  I Googled for 
large 
> file downloads and took the first one that came up:
> https://www.futurehosting.com/network-test-files/
> and found the downloads would stop repeatedly at the same point. 
> Different for each file and server location, but the same for 
repeated 
> downloads of the same file.  For example the 100MB file from Michigan 
kept 
> stopping at 8MB.  It chugged along fine, then slowed dramatically and 
> stopped, with no traffic either direction.  Yet a ping to the same IP 
> address never had a problem.
>
> Note it is

Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

I have most ordinary routerboards on 6.19 with no problems, nothing magic about 
6.19, just no compelling reason to do another network wide upgrade.

But the CCR seems to be a finicky beast.  The upgrade to 6.27 was to fix a 
problem that turned out to be an unrelated hardware issue with another piece of 
equipment.  But of course Mikrotik will always say upgrade to latest FW.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

The sort of thing that makes me squeamish about 6.x ROS.  Except that you have 
to use it for some of  the newer hardware platforms (like the aforementioned 
CCR).  We are stable on 5.26 unless forced down a 6.x path.

bp

On 3/6/2015 6:03 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Problem found but not understood.

  EoIP tunnel was traversing (but not terminating on) a CCR that had been 
upgraded to 6.27.  Downgrading FW fixed problem.  Problem seems to be related 
to full 1500 byte packets inside the tunnel.  No parameters like L2 MTU seem to 
have changed between FW versions.

  Strange.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  And if there are things like NAT or routing over RFC1918 space, then it 
breaks PMTUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery )

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 03/05/2015 04:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

My max DNS UDP packet size is 512. I assume that's the default. MTUs over 
1500 wouldn't affect any traffic flowing through as the device on the other end 
wasn't able to pass a packet more than 1500 to begin with. I'd imagine what was 
happening is that your MT was generating DNS requests that were larger than 
could pass through the Intarwebz.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: "Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:06:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

I bumped the L2 MTU to 2028, max of that particular unit and set the other 
side to match, then DNS stopped working. Traffic worked, I could ping by IP but 
not by name. Of course my DNS server was on the other side of that cable, so a 
handful of folks were having issues.

I dropped the L2 MTU back to default on MT of 1600, improved, but not 100%.

I had the DNS max packet size set to 4048 or so, dropped it back down to 
1536, started improving.

UDP speed tests were all over the map, then would randomly quit. TCP was 
decently reliable, though not as fast as they should be.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  Packet capture?

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

--

  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:57:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

  wowhow did you figure that out?

- Original Message - 
From: Glen Waldrop 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. 
OK

I've got one similar to that.

DNS doesn't work.

TCP works okay, but DNS just absolutely fails.

Turns out the Ethernet port is dying on me. I've got extra hardware in 
the 
air, so quick fix is a wireless shot from the AP to the ground to the 
switch 
that feeds the PTP shots.

It'll work until I can fix it properly.

What is happening in my case is the Ethernet is dropping packets, 
frames, 
something. TCP retransmits, UDP just disappears.

Not sure if that will explain your broken download issue, but it is one 
of 
those odd problems.

Could be the server side is just dropping the connection after 100+ 
retransmits.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

>
> I can't figure this out, but it seems like the sort of thing someone 
else 
> here will say "oh, I know what causes that".
>
> I've been tracking a smattering of customer complaints about 
downloads 
> just stopping, and finally was able to reproduce it.  I Googled for 
larg

Re: [AFMUG] www


How else will the domain know which server you want
(Yeah, I do it too.  I still type the URL rather than use the address field 
as a search which it will fully do too).


-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] www

Hey...

My kids make fun of me because I still type "www" in front of any
website that I go to... anyone else remember the day when a website
would not load without the www in front? :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??

Make sure to use UY2, not UY.  
The minor impedance disturbance will not add significant cross talk.  It will 
be almost unmeasurable if  you maintain the twists as much as possible.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??

Something like one of these?

I always thought it would be fast.but I always assumed it wouldn't pass 
muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs.ï¿½ If you're untwisting more than 1/2" to be 
able to physically fit the splice in, then I think you're adding more crosstalk 
than a jack or plug would.ï¿½ 

*shrug* if it's working, it's working.

Could be male/female, but lately I've been leaning towards butt spliced pairs ( 
times four ).

I think it's faster for the installes to just cut both cables, do a quick 
separation of pairs and press splice the four pairs together.

As opposed to punching down a female rj45 and putting a male rj45 end on.

Maybe not, still debating.

Not sure what the gigabit Ethernet loss/gain might be between these two methods 
either.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??

So what's going to be in the box? RJ45-RJ45 female-female coupler, or what?

bp

On 3/5/2015 10:30 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Mmmm, that second one might work.

The first one is a bit big for joining cable.

Still wish the second had an access hole in the back and were even smaller.

But that's better than any other option I've seen, thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??

How about this?

https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescP2GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=&OrderCount=0&OrderTotal=$.00

$2.99 if you buy 25+

Or

https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescB6GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=&OrderCount=0&OrderTotal=$.00

$1.45 at 25+

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??

Still looking for a simple junction box to cover existing Cat5 coming out of 
the house.
This is for joining the crapping indoor rated existing Cat5 to and outdoor 
rated cable.

Home Depot has a $3 pvc grey junction box with screw on cover and two ï¿½ inch 
holes.
That's about the best I can find.

But I would still have to drill a hole out for the Cat5 coming out of the wall.
And completely plug up one hole, and probably caulk up around the outdoor rated 
Cat5/6 coming out the other...

What I really need is that same junction box with a single smaller hole about 
the side of outdoor Cat6, and a hole in the back.

Nothing more.

Can't find anything like that.

And most stuff like that is over $10, for $1 worth of plastic.

Re: [AFMUG] www

I remember as far back as Netscape - it automatically did the protocol://
but you needed to do foo.bar.com.  Are you going as far back as Mosaic or
something?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How else will the domain know which server you want
> (Yeah, I do it too.  I still type the URL rather than use the address
> field as a search which it will fully do too).
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] www
>
> Hey...
>
> My kids make fun of me because I still type "www" in front of any
> website that I go to... anyone else remember the day when a website
> would not load without the www in front? :)
>
> Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

2015-03-06 Thread Mathew Howard

I may be wrong, but it seems to me this is actually a case of Sony's app
not supporting Comcast (yes, it may be because of some crazy restrictions
Comcast has), not the other way around. That's kind of like saying that the
fact I can't connect to xbox live with a playstation is a net neutrality
violation.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Darren Shea  wrote:

> The only thing in the article which undermines that reading of the facts
> is this line: “Roku eventually got approval last December, but Sony devices
> are still locked out.”
>
>
>
> That implies that Comcast customers are allowed to use the HBOGo service,
> but only with certain, pre-approved by Comcast, clients. That might run
> afoul of the new Net Neutrality rules, especially if the protocols, ports
> and bitrates are identical, regardless of of the client used.
>
>
>
> It’s one thing for a cable provider (like Time Warner) to refuse to
> participate in an unrelated network’s non-broadcast offerings (like the
> Disney Channel app), it may be another for the provider to say people
> running the app on an iPhone can use it, but people using the Windows Phone
> version cannot. We’re in uncharted territory here!
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?
>
>
>
> Based just on a quick Google search (so I could be mistaken), this appears
> to be total bullshit.  This is how HBO Go describes itself on their website:
>
>
>
> “Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit movies, sports,
> comedy and more, plus bonus features and behind-the-scenes extras. It’s all
> free with your HBO subscription through participating television providers
> and available on your favorite devices.”
>
>
>
> In other words, it’s exactly the same as complaining that a WISP doesn’t
> “give” its customers ESPN3.
>
>
>
> HBO Go appears not to be an OTT service with individual subscriptions.  It
> appears to be an extra, Internet based service that comes only with HBO
> from a cable provider.  So the complaint appears to be that Comcast has not
> offered HBO Go to its cable customers who have HBO.  It seems to me that is
> different from “blocking” HBO Go to your Internet customers, as the article
> claims.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:08 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm 
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200479-this-is-why-we-need-internet-regulation-comcast-blocks-hbo-go-app-from-working-on-ps4
>
> Do we know anything about this? The article above runs over Comcast with a
> bus, but does little to technically explain why\how Comcast is blocking
> them.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

Is it your objective to become the Simon Cowell of the WISP industry?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

I suggest many things to many vendors. Sometimes their response would result in 
some incredible discomfort.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: "David" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:21:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

Done!
  I am just not sure why anyone else has suggested this.
Or am I all alone :)

On 03/06/2015 07:35 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  E-mail their support (supp...@mikrotik.com) and tell them what you want. 
Seriously. Do it now.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

--

  From: "David Milholen" mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:33:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

  You have to watch those temperatures on the smaller switches. Also, voltage 
could be an issue with the CCR units.
  I found the CCRs get flakey when anything above 27v  hits it.
  I still use them  extensively in our system though. If I can get them settled 
around 24v I dont have any issues.

  This is why I want mikrotik to come out with a more hardened router and 
switch that both have external terminals for
  dc connect and have a better range for dirty dc

  On 3/5/2015 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What about Mikrotik switches?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Tim Wright  wrote:

  Anyone got recommendations for a layer 2 managed switch with a decent GUI 
that can withstand Wisconsin winters and summers 1000ft in the air?

  --

Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

You can't blame them trying to hold down the number of versions they 
need to support.  Of course they release a new version (on average) 
about once a month.  I guess that means that if 6.x is up to 27, that 
means that 6.x ROS has been out for a little over 2 years. Guess that's 
true.  Must mean that 7.x is just around the corner. Too bad, as I 
haven't gotten warm and fuzzy with 6.x yet.


Hmm.  Just checked the changelog, and 6.0 went from RC14 to 6.0 official 
in May 2013.  My once-a-month rule looks like a new standard.


bp


On 3/6/2015 7:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

But of course Mikrotik will always say upgrade to latest FW.

Re: [AFMUG] www

My first browser was in fact Mosaic.  UUNET for some huge monthly amount on 
dialup PPP.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] www

I remember as far back as Netscape - it automatically did the protocol:// but 
you needed to do foo.bar.com.  Are you going as far back as Mosaic or something?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  How else will the domain know which server you want
  (Yeah, I do it too.  I still type the URL rather than use the address field 
as a search which it will fully do too).

  -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] www

  Hey...

  My kids make fun of me because I still type "www" in front of any
  website that I go to... anyone else remember the day when a website
  would not load without the www in front? :)

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] www

2015-03-06 Thread Jeff Broadwick

I thought the same thing.  Netscape added the www, then I switched to IE which 
didn’t, so I got in the habit of always typing it.

 

 

Regards,

 

Jeff

 

 

Jeff Broadwick

Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] www

 

I remember as far back as Netscape - it automatically did the protocol:// but 
you needed to do foo.bar.com.  Are you going as far back as Mosaic or something?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

How else will the domain know which server you want
(Yeah, I do it too.  I still type the URL rather than use the address field as 
a search which it will fully do too).

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] www

Hey...

My kids make fun of me because I still type "www" in front of any
website that I go to... anyone else remember the day when a website
would not load without the www in front? :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] First all-digital radio transmitter

Note:  It is a TRANSMITTER.  Much easier to do this trick than a receiver.  If 
you have a fast enough processor, any processor can do this with a PWM output 
which you can bit bang a single IO line.  The impedance matching network (which 
will be part of the antenna, and the antenna itself) will do the filtering and 
smoothing.  

I synthesized DTMF with 4 outputs and some resistors with a 6502 MCU  (128 BITS 
of memory) running at probably 3.579545 MHz years ago.  Same trick (in theory) 
with a much faster processor.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:24 PM
To: wirel...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] First all-digital radio transmitter

http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/media/press-releases/first-all-digital-radio-transmitter


Technology innovation firm Cambridge Consultants has successfully completed 
initial trials of the world’s first fully digital radio transmitter – a turning 
point in wireless design and a real enabler for the ‘Internet of Things’ (IoT) 
and 5G technology. It’s a radio built purely from computing power, using the 
same familiar digital technology you’d find in a computer microprocessor in 
your home or office.

Unlike ‘software-defined radio’ (SDR), it’s not a mixture of analogue and 
digital components – for the first time, the radio is completely digital, which 
can enable new ways of using spectrum intelligently. The innovation is set to 
be hugely disruptive, like a previous Cambridge Consultants breakthrough – the 
development of the first single-chip Bluetooth radio, which led to the spinout 
of the global short-range wireless and audiovisual giant CSR.



-- 
--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] www

2015-03-06 Thread Chuck Hogg

I remember using Mosaic the first time.  I thought it was pretty powerful
compared to doing Archie and Veronica searches.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   My first browser was in fact Mosaic.  UUNET for some huge monthly
> amount on dialup PPP.
>
>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 8:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] www
>
>  I remember as far back as Netscape - it automatically did the
> protocol:// but you needed to do foo.bar.com.  Are you going as far back
> as Mosaic or something?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> How else will the domain know which server you want
>> (Yeah, I do it too.  I still type the URL rather than use the address
>> field as a search which it will fully do too).
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] www
>>
>>  Hey...
>>
>> My kids make fun of me because I still type "www" in front of any
>> website that I go to... anyone else remember the day when a website
>> would not load without the www in front? :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] www

Me too.  I remember getting a special doo-dad from US Robotics (or 
someone?) that did auto-dial so that we could use more than one computer 
on the net at the same time.  That experience was part of what drove us 
to become a WISP.


G. was an original member of the WELL (Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link).

bp


On 3/6/2015 7:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
My first browser was in fact Mosaic.  UUNET for some huge monthly 
amount on dialup PPP.

*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 8:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] www
I remember as far back as Netscape - it automatically did the 
protocol:// but you needed to do foo.bar.com . Are 
you going as far back as Mosaic or something?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


How else will the domain know which server you want
(Yeah, I do it too.  I still type the URL rather than use the
address field as a search which it will fully do too).

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] www

Hey...

My kids make fun of me because I still type "www" in front of any
website that I go to... anyone else remember the day when a website
would not load without the www in front? :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] www

Never dig get the hang of Archie and Gopher.

From: Chuck Hogg 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] www

I remember using Mosaic the first time.  I thought it was pretty powerful 
compared to doing Archie and Veronica searches.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  My first browser was in fact Mosaic.  UUNET for some huge monthly amount on 
dialup PPP.

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:41 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] www

  I remember as far back as Netscape - it automatically did the protocol:// but 
you needed to do foo.bar.com.  Are you going as far back as Mosaic or something?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

How else will the domain know which server you want
(Yeah, I do it too.  I still type the URL rather than use the address field 
as a search which it will fully do too).

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] www

Hey...

My kids make fun of me because I still type "www" in front of any
website that I go to... anyone else remember the day when a website
would not load without the www in front? :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

I've seen his car collection (well, not in person). It's not bad... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:44:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch 




Is it your objective to become the Simon Cowell of the WISP industry? 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:26 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch 


I suggest many things to many vendors. Sometimes their response would result in 
some incredible discomfort. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "David"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:21:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch 

Done! 
I am just not sure why anyone else has suggested this. 
Or am I all alone :) 


On 03/06/2015 07:35 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



E-mail their support ( supp...@mikrotik.com ) and tell them what you want. 
Seriously. Do it now. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "David Milholen" mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 7:33:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch 

You have to watch those temperatures on the smaller switches. Also, voltage 
could be an issue with the CCR units. 
I found the CCRs get flakey when anything above 27v hits it. 
I still use them extensively in our system though. If I can get them settled 
around 24v I dont have any issues. 

This is why I want mikrotik to come out with a more hardened router and switch 
that both have external terminals for 
dc connect and have a better range for dirty dc 



On 3/5/2015 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



What about Mikrotik switches? 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Tim Wright < twright1...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Anyone got recommendations for a layer 2 managed switch with a decent GUI that 
can withstand Wisconsin winters and summers 1000ft in the air? 







--

Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

It's a Comcast thing. For whatever reason, they haven't provided Sony with 
access to their authentication servers that they've provided to others. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:43:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4? 


I may be wrong, but it seems to me this is actually a case of Sony's app not 
supporting Comcast (yes, it may be because of some crazy restrictions Comcast 
has), not the other way around. That's kind of like saying that the fact I 
can't connect to xbox live with a playstation is a net neutrality violation. 



On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Darren Shea < darr...@ecpi.com > wrote: 





The only thing in the article which undermines that reading of the facts is 
this line: “Roku eventually got approval last December, but Sony devices are 
still locked out.” 

That implies that Comcast customers are allowed to use the HBOGo service, but 
only with certain, pre-approved by Comcast, clients. That might run afoul of 
the new Net Neutrality rules, especially if the protocols, ports and bitrates 
are identical, regardless of of the client used. 

It’s one thing for a cable provider (like Time Warner) to refuse to participate 
in an unrelated network’s non-broadcast offerings (like the Disney Channel 
app), it may be another for the provider to say people running the app on an 
iPhone can use it, but people using the Windows Phone version cannot. We’re in 
uncharted territory here! 

n Darren 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4? 




Based just on a quick Google search (so I could be mistaken), this appears to 
be total bullshit. This is how HBO Go describes itself on their website: 



“Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit movies, sports, 
comedy and more, plus bonus features and behind-the-scenes extras. It’s all 
free with your HBO subscription through participating television providers and 
available on your favorite devices.” 



In other words, it’s exactly the same as complaining that a WISP doesn’t “give” 
its customers ESPN3. 



HBO Go appears not to be an OTT service with individual subscriptions. It 
appears to be an extra, Internet based service that comes only with HBO from a 
cable provider. So the complaint appears to be that Comcast has not offered HBO 
Go to its cable customers who have HBO. It seems to me that is different from 
“blocking” HBO Go to your Internet customers, as the article claims. 








From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:08 PM 

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4? 




http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200479-this-is-why-we-need-internet-regulation-comcast-blocks-hbo-go-app-from-working-on-ps4
 

Do we know anything about this? The article above runs over Comcast with a bus, 
but does little to technically explain why\how Comcast is blocking them.

Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

The important thing here is this is part of a cable TV offering from Comcast, 
and HBO Go is only available to subscribers who pay their cable TV provider for 
the HBO channel.  Hence the need for authentication.

This is on the cable TV side of the house, not the Internet side.  People may 
be unhappy because they want it and Comcast is the only cable TV game in town, 
but that’s a lack of competition issue, not a Net Neutrality issue.  Nothing to 
see here, move along.

If Comcast blocked HBO Now (the upcoming OTT service), that would be different.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

It's a Comcast thing. For whatever reason, they haven't provided Sony with 
access to their authentication servers that they've provided to others.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:43:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?


I may be wrong, but it seems to me this is actually a case of Sony's app not 
supporting Comcast (yes, it may be because of some crazy restrictions Comcast 
has), not the other way around. That's kind of like saying that the fact I 
can't connect to xbox live with a playstation is a net neutrality violation.


On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Darren Shea  wrote:

  The only thing in the article which undermines that reading of the facts is 
this line: “Roku eventually got approval last December, but Sony devices are 
still locked out.”



  That implies that Comcast customers are allowed to use the HBOGo service, but 
only with certain, pre-approved by Comcast, clients. That might run afoul of 
the new Net Neutrality rules, especially if the protocols, ports and bitrates 
are identical, regardless of of the client used. 



  It’s one thing for a cable provider (like Time Warner) to refuse to 
participate in an unrelated network’s non-broadcast offerings (like the Disney 
Channel app), it may be another for the provider to say people running the app 
on an iPhone can use it, but people using the Windows Phone version cannot. 
We’re in uncharted territory here!



  n  Darren



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?



  Based just on a quick Google search (so I could be mistaken), this appears to 
be total bullshit.  This is how HBO Go describes itself on their website:



  “Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit movies, sports, 
comedy and more, plus bonus features and behind-the-scenes extras. It’s all 
free with your HBO subscription through participating television providers and 
available on your favorite devices.”



  In other words, it’s exactly the same as complaining that a WISP doesn’t 
“give” its customers ESPN3.



  HBO Go appears not to be an OTT service with individual subscriptions.  It 
appears to be an extra, Internet based service that comes only with HBO from a 
cable provider.  So the complaint appears to be that Comcast has not offered 
HBO Go to its cable customers who have HBO.  It seems to me that is different 
from “blocking” HBO Go to your Internet customers, as the article claims.





  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:08 PM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?



  
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200479-this-is-why-we-need-internet-regulation-comcast-blocks-hbo-go-app-from-working-on-ps4

  Do we know anything about this? The article above runs over Comcast with a 
bus, but does little to technically explain why\how Comcast is blocking them.

Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

I remember hearing from somebody that inside the case was a pretty 
standard size power brick, and that you could replace it with other 
power supplies in the same form factor.  Though maybe I heard wrong.


You have to watch those temperatures on the smaller switches. Also, 
voltage could be an issue with the CCR units.

I found the CCRs get flakey when anything above 27v  hits it.
I still use them  extensively in our system though. If I can get them 
settled around 24v I dont have any issues.


This is why I want mikrotik to come out with a more hardened router 
and switch that both have external terminals for

dc connect and have a better range for dirty dc


On 3/5/2015 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What about Mikrotik switches?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Tim Wright > wrote:


Anyone got recommendations for a layer 2 managed switch with a
decent GUI that can withstand Wisconsin winters and summers
1000ft in the air?




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Re: [AFMUG] Looking For Hardend Layer 2 Managed Switch

How is the power brick connected to the PCB?  How hard would it be to 
put a terminal strip on the back wired directly to the PCB (ala 
Dragonwave IDU, or LMG CTM)?


bp


On 3/6/2015 9:23 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I remember hearing from somebody that inside the case was a pretty 
standard size power brick, and that you could replace it with other 
power supplies in the same form factor.  Though maybe I heard wrong.


You have to watch those temperatures on the smaller switches. Also, 
voltage could be an issue with the CCR units.

I found the CCRs get flakey when anything above 27v  hits it.
I still use them  extensively in our system though. If I can get them 
settled around 24v I dont have any issues.


This is why I want mikrotik to come out with a more hardened router 
and switch that both have external terminals for

dc connect and have a better range for dirty dc


On 3/5/2015 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What about Mikrotik switches?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Tim Wright > wrote:


Anyone got recommendations for a layer 2 managed switch with a
decent GUI that can withstand Wisconsin winters and summers
1000ft in the air?




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Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

2015-03-06 Thread Mathew Howard

Right, but I'm assuming they have some actual reason for that, since
there's no logical reason why they should care what device you're using...
which could very well be that Sony just hasn't put much effort into getting
access to it.

Whatever the reason is, Ken is right, it has nothing to do with the
internet side. I'm guessing if you have access to HBO Go through some other
TV provider, it will work perfectly fine over a Comcast internet connection.

I hope the FCC enjoys dealing with thousands of irrelevant complaints like
this.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It's a Comcast thing. For whatever reason, they haven't provided Sony with
> access to their authentication servers that they've provided to others.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 9:43:58 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?
>
> I may be wrong, but it seems to me this is actually a case of Sony's app
> not supporting Comcast (yes, it may be because of some crazy restrictions
> Comcast has), not the other way around. That's kind of like saying that the
> fact I can't connect to xbox live with a playstation is a net neutrality
> violation.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Darren Shea  wrote:
>
>> The only thing in the article which undermines that reading of the facts
>> is this line: “Roku eventually got approval last December, but Sony devices
>> are still locked out.”
>>
>>
>>
>> That implies that Comcast customers are allowed to use the HBOGo service,
>> but only with certain, pre-approved by Comcast, clients. That might run
>> afoul of the new Net Neutrality rules, especially if the protocols, ports
>> and bitrates are identical, regardless of of the client used.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s one thing for a cable provider (like Time Warner) to refuse to
>> participate in an unrelated network’s non-broadcast offerings (like the
>> Disney Channel app), it may be another for the provider to say people
>> running the app on an iPhone can use it, but people using the Windows Phone
>> version cannot. We’re in uncharted territory here!
>>
>>
>>
>> n  Darren
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?
>>
>>
>>
>> Based just on a quick Google search (so I could be mistaken), this
>> appears to be total bullshit.  This is how HBO Go describes itself on their
>> website:
>>
>>
>>
>> “Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit movies,
>> sports, comedy and more, plus bonus features and behind-the-scenes extras.
>> It’s all free with your HBO subscription through participating television
>> providers and available on your favorite devices.”
>>
>>
>>
>> In other words, it’s exactly the same as complaining that a WISP doesn’t
>> “give” its customers ESPN3.
>>
>>
>>
>> HBO Go appears not to be an OTT service with individual subscriptions.
>> It appears to be an extra, Internet based service that comes only with HBO
>> from a cable provider.  So the complaint appears to be that Comcast has not
>> offered HBO Go to its cable customers who have HBO.  It seems to me that is
>> different from “blocking” HBO Go to your Internet customers, as the article
>> claims.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:08 PM
>>
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200479-this-is-why-we-need-internet-regulation-comcast-blocks-hbo-go-app-from-working-on-ps4
>>
>> Do we know anything about this? The article above runs over Comcast with
>> a bus, but does little to technically explain why\how Comcast is blocking
>> them.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Liquid tight non metallic conduit, and sunlight

2015-03-06 Thread Jeremy

It holds up very well from what I've seen.  Most of the AC units have it
leading to the power junction on the side of the home here in Utah.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:58 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com <
e...@kuhnke-international.com> wrote:

>   Stuff like this:
>
>  http://www.carlonsales.com/carflexliquidtightnmconduit.php
>
>
>  Anyone in the US Southwest or other places with harsh sunlight have
> experience on how long this holds up outdoors over multi-year time periods?
> Advice?
>
>

[AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000

2015-03-06 Thread Peter Kranz

New-ish 3 Gbps full duplex uncompressed point to point radio I had not heard
of before.. Good up to around 2km or so.. 

 



 

http://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/network/products/gx-4000-e-band-radio/

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000

Cool, how much is it?



Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000



New-ish 3 Gbps full duplex uncompressed point to point radio I had not heard of 
before.. Good up to around 2km or so..



[cid:image001.jpg@01D057F9.FCA8F9B0]



http://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/network/products/gx-4000-e-band-radio/



Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

An ongoing issue of (1) press not having much clue as to the
differentiation between the generic term "network" and what specific
network they are referring to. (2) The general public being clueless as
to where what comes from (ask someone using a smart phone which network
content is coming from, be it WiFi, macro Cell, or femtocell, or (name
something else))

I routinely ask customers where something on their TV is coming from.
They rarely know.

Being a pilot, I have witnessed similar issues with regard to aircraft
and aircraft incidents.

Any sufficiently complicated technology is indistinguishable from magic.

On 3/6/2015 9:32 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Right, but I'm assuming they have some actual reason for that, since
there's no logical reason why they should care what device you're
using... which could very well be that Sony just hasn't put much
effort into getting access to it.

Whatever the reason is, Ken is right, it has nothing to do with the
internet side. I'm guessing if you have access to HBO Go through some
other TV provider, it will work perfectly fine over a Comcast internet
connection.

I hope the FCC enjoys dealing with thousands of irrelevant complaints
like this.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

It's a Comcast thing. For whatever reason, they haven't provided
Sony with access to their authentication servers that they've
provided to others.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 9:43:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

I may be wrong, but it seems to me this is actually a case of
Sony's app not supporting Comcast (yes, it may be because of some
crazy restrictions Comcast has), not the other way around. That's
kind of like saying that the fact I can't connect to xbox live
with a playstation is a net neutrality violation.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Darren Shea mailto:darr...@ecpi.com>> wrote:

The only thing in the article which undermines that reading of
the facts is this line: “Roku eventually got approval last
December, but Sony devices are still locked out.”

That implies that Comcast customers are allowed to use the
HBOGo service, but only with certain, pre-approved by Comcast,
clients. That might run afoul of the new Net Neutrality rules,
especially if the protocols, ports and bitrates are identical,
regardless of of the client used.

It’s one thing for a cable provider (like Time Warner) to
refuse to participate in an unrelated network’s non-broadcast
offerings (like the Disney Channel app), it may be another for
the provider to say people running the app on an iPhone can
use it, but people using the Windows Phone version cannot.
We’re in uncharted territory here!

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

Based just on a quick Google search (so I could be mistaken),
this appears to be total bullshit. This is how HBO Go
describes itself on their website:

“Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit
movies, sports, comedy and more, plus bonus features and
behind-the-scenes extras. It’s all free with your HBO
subscription through participating television providers and
available on your favorite devices.”

In other words, it’s exactly the same as complaining that a
WISP doesn’t “give” its customers ESPN3.

HBO Go appears not to be an OTT service with individual
subscriptions. It appears to be an extra, Internet based
service that comes only with HBO from a cable provider. So
the complaint appears to be that Comcast has not offered HBO
Go to its cable customers who have HBO. It seems to me that
is different from “blocking” HBO Go to your Internet
customers, as the article claims.

*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:08 PM

*To:*Animal Farm

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Comcast vs. HBO Go on PS4?

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200479-this-is-why-we-need-internet-regulation-comcast-blocks-hbo-go-app-

Re: [AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000

And look at the power consumption.  25w!!!  Half of an AF24 (or AF5 for 
that matter).  But geez. 4.5 GHz channel size.  Holy smokes.



bp


On 3/6/2015 9:33 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:


New-ish 3 Gbps full duplex uncompressed point to point radio I had not 
heard of before.. Good up to around 2km or so..


http://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/network/products/gx-4000-e-band-radio/

*Peter Kranz
*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK

2015-03-06 Thread Josh Reynolds

Ah-hah! :)
On Mar 6, 2015 5:03 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:




Problem found but not understood.
 
EoIP tunnel was traversing (but not terminating on) a CCR that had been 
upgraded to 6.27.  Downgrading FW fixed problem.  Problem seems to be 
related to full 1500 byte packets inside the tunnel.  No parameters like L2 
MTU seem to have changed between FW versions.
 
Strange.
 


 

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, speedtests, 
etc. OK
 

And if there are things like NAT or routing over 
RFC1918 space, then it breaks PMTUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery 
)--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 
03/05/2015 04:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  

  My 
  max DNS UDP packet size is 512. I assume that's the default. MTUs over 1500 
  wouldn't affect any traffic flowing through as the device on the other end 
  wasn't able to pass a packet more than 1500 to begin with. I'd imagine what 
  was happening is that your MT was generating DNS requests that were larger 
  than could pass through the Intarwebz.
  -Mike HammettIntelligent 
  Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
  

  From: 
  "Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwlist@cngwireless.netTo: 
  af@afmug.comSent: Thursday, March 5, 
  2015 7:06:55 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but 
  streaming, speedtests, etc. OK 
  

  I bumped the L2 MTU to 2028, max of that 
  particular unit and set the other side to match, then DNS stopped working. 
  Traffic worked, I could ping by IP but not by name. Of course my DNS server 
  was on the other side of that cable, so a handful of folks were having 
  issues.
   
  I dropped the L2 MTU back to default on MT of 
  1600, improved, but not 100%.I had the DNS max packet size set to 4048 
  or so, dropped it back down to 1536, started improving.UDP speed tests 
  were all over the map, then would randomly quit. TCP was decently reliable, 
  though not as fast as they should be.
   
   
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:42 
PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling 
but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK
 
Packet 
capture?
-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing 
Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com


From: 
"CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@afmug.comSent: Thursday, March 5, 
2015 5:57:03 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but 
streaming, speedtests, etc. OK


 
wowhow did you figure that out?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Glen Waldrop 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:18 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] downloads 
  stalling but streaming, speedtests, etc. OK
   I've got one similar to that.DNS doesn't 
  work.TCP works okay, but DNS just absolutely fails.Turns 
  out the Ethernet port is dying on me. I've got extra hardware in the 
  air, so quick fix is a wireless shot from the AP to the ground to the 
  switch that feeds the PTP shots.It'll work until I can fix it 
  properly.What is happening in my case is the Ethernet is dropping 
  packets, frames, something. TCP retransmits, UDP just 
  disappears.Not sure if that will explain your broken download 
  issue, but it is one of those odd problems.Could be the server 
  side is just dropping the connection after 100+ 
  retransmits.- Original Message - From: 
  "Ken Hohhof" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 
  2015 10:10 PMSubject: [AFMUG] downloads stalling but streaming, 
  speedtests, etc. OK>> I can't figure this out, but 
  it seems like the sort of thing someone else > here will say "oh, I 
  know what causes that".>> I've been tracking a smattering of 
  customer complaints about downloads > just stopping, and finally 
  was able to reproduce it.  I Googled for large > file 
  downloads and took the first one that came up:> https://www.futurehosting.com/network-test-files/> 
  and found the downloads would stop repeatedly at the same point. > 
  Different for each file and server location, but the same for repeated 
  > downloads of the same file.  For example the 100MB file from 
  Michigan kept > stopping at 8MB.  It chugged along fine, then 
  slowed dramatically and > stopped, with no traffic either 
  direction.  Yet a ping to the same IP > address never had a 
  problem.>> Note it is NOT the computer, the server, or last 
  mile radios.  I was able > to see it going only through 
  backhaul radios and routers, no AP/CPE.  And > it works fine 
  with the same computer here at my house on AT&T.>> 
  Tomorrow I nee

[AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread Randy Cosby

Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324, 
5475-5720, 5730-5845.


The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?

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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

Two totally different products.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Randy Cosby  wrote:

>  Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324,
> 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
>
> The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
>
> --
>
>
>
> [image:
> imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2&filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png]
> 
>
> Randy Cosby
> InfoWest, Inc
> 435-674-0165 x 2010
> infowest.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

Wow this is great news for all those bands in 5ghz!


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Randy Cosby  wrote:

>  Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324,
> 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
>
> The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
>
> --
>
>
>
> [image:
> imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2&filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png]
> 
>
> Randy Cosby
> InfoWest, Inc
> 435-674-0165 x 2010
> infowest.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

*happy dance* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Randy Cosby"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action 

Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324, 
5475-5720, 5730-5845. 

The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right? 


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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread Randy Cosby


I know.

Any day now.  I'm sure.  I'm betting on April 1.


On 3/6/2015 11:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Two totally different products.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Randy Cosby > wrote:


Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245,
5255-5324, 5475-5720, 5730-5845.

The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?

-- 



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InfoWest, Inc
435-674-0165 x 2010 
infowest.com 



  





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infowest.com

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Randy Cosby"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action 

Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324, 
5475-5720, 5730-5845. 

The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right? 


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InfoWest , Inc 
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infowest.com

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the PowerBeams/Nanobeams 
have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?   Any chance Chucks team 
can take over the PowerBeam product line?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Randy Cosby" mailto:dco...@infowest.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324, 
5475-5720, 5730-5845.

The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
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Randy Cosby
InfoWest, Inc
435-674-0165 x 2010
infowest.com

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

I heard FCC is intentionally stalling on the power beams as punishment to
UBNT for all the TDWR problems.


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

>  So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the
> PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?
>   Any chance Chucks team can take over the PowerBeam product line?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>
>
>
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>   --
>
> *From: *"Randy Cosby" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>
> Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324,
> 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
>
> The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
>
> --
>
>
>
> [image:
> imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2&filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png]
> 
>
> Randy Cosby
> InfoWest, Inc
> 435-674-0165 x 2010
> infowest.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

LTE supports 1:1 frequency reuse. Same channel everywhere. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:21:24 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic... 


So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully utilize 
the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more than 1 base 
station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running multiple 20mhz 
channels with this product to get these crazy high throughput numbers but it 
looks like if I want to put this on a tower and get 360 degrees I am going to 
have to use smaller channel widths for frequency planning which is going to 
result in lower throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just 
magic and it will work anyway? 






Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

2015-03-06 Thread Jason McKemie

>From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully
> utilize the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more
> than 1 base station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running
> multiple 20mhz channels with this product to get these crazy high
> throughput numbers but it looks like if I want to put this on a tower and
> get 360 degrees I am going to have to use smaller channel widths for
> frequency planning which is going to result in lower throughput because of
> the smaller channels Or is it just magic and it will work anyway?
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>

[AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully
utilize the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more
than 1 base station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running
multiple 20mhz channels with this product to get these crazy high
throughput numbers but it looks like if I want to put this on a tower and
get 360 degrees I am going to have to use smaller channel widths for
frequency planning which is going to result in lower throughput because of
the smaller channels Or is it just magic and it will work anyway?

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

Are you creating FUD or did you actually hear that? =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> I heard FCC is intentionally stalling on the power beams as punishment to
> UBNT for all the TDWR problems.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>  So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the
>> PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?
>>   Any chance Chucks team can take over the PowerBeam product line?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>   --
>>
>> *From: *"Randy Cosby" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>>
>> Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324,
>> 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
>>
>> The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> [image:
>> imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2&filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png]
>> 
>>
>> Randy Cosby
>> InfoWest, Inc
>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>> infowest.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

You pick 10 MHz of the spectrum.  Put it in 3 or 4 sectors on the tower.
You now have 40 MHz left.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully
>> utilize the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more
>> than 1 base station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running
>> multiple 20mhz channels with this product to get these crazy high
>> throughput numbers but it looks like if I want to put this on a tower and
>> get 360 degrees I am going to have to use smaller channel widths for
>> frequency planning which is going to result in lower throughput because of
>> the smaller channels Or is it just magic and it will work anyway?
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

I heard Robert's basketball team beat the head of OET's favorite team and so 
now they're not allowed to get them past. ;-) 





Yes, completely made up just now. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:24:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action 


Are you creating FUD or did you actually hear that? =P 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < li...@wavelinc.com > wrote: 



I heard FCC is intentionally stalling on the power beams as punishment to UBNT 
for all the TDWR problems. 







Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 





So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the PowerBeams/Nanobeams 
have been out for a year and still no DFS approval? Any chance Chucks team can 
take over the PowerBeam product line? 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action 




https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 







From: "Randy Cosby" < dco...@infowest.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action 

Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324, 
5475-5720, 5730-5845. 

The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right? 

-- 



imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2&filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png
 
Randy Cosby 
InfoWest, Inc 
435-674-0165 x 2010 
infowest.com

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

I specifically reject words like "magic" Kurt. It is just math (1), and (2) 
simply a level of technology new to you. We can do 360 with pretty much any 
number (and have field examples of them all) of antennas you can think of, all 
within that 50 MHz: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8...


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:
So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully utilize 
the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more than 1 base 
station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running multiple 20mhz 
channels with this product to get these crazy high throughput numbers but it 
looks like if I want to put this on a tower and get 360 degrees I am going to 
have to use smaller channel widths for frequency planning which is going to 
result in lower throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just 
magic and it will work anyway?

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110





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Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

In LTE with CoMP, your self-interference becomes multiplexed to improve your 
network's performance. Like I've been saying, LTE moves you from props to jets; 
it's another level entirely.

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M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

Yeah.  I do wonder what the tradeoffs are though.  It seems like there would be 
some level of self interference.
LTE supports 1:1 frequency reuse. Same channel everywhere.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:21:24 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...
So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully utilize 
the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more than 1 base 
station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running multiple 20mhz 
channels with this product to get these crazy high throughput numbers but it 
looks like if I want to put this on a tower and get 360 degrees I am going to 
have to use smaller channel widths for frequency planning which is going to 
result in lower throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just 
magic and it will work anyway?

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110







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Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

Yeah.  I do wonder what the tradeoffs are though.  It seems like there 
would be some level of self interference.



LTE supports 1:1 frequency reuse. Same channel everywhere.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 12:21:24 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully 
utilize the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have 
more than 1 base station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be 
running multiple 20mhz channels with this product to get these crazy 
high throughput numbers but it looks like if I want to put this on a 
tower and get 360 degrees I am going to have to use smaller channel 
widths for frequency planning which is going to result in lower 
throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just magic and 
it will work anyway?


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com 

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

[AFMUG] [FS] Training opportunities

2015-03-06 Thread Butch Evans

Currently 2 training events scheduled:
Course: Mikrotik RouterOS Firewall Training
Date: March 18, 2015
Course Length: 1 day (about 7 hours)
Location: ONLINE
Registration: http://store.wispgear.net/

Course: Mikrotik Routing ONLINE
Date: March 25, 2015
Course Length: 1 day
Location: ONLINE
Registration: http://store.wispgear.net/

Cost per course is $350. If you purchase both courses together, you can
get both for $650 by using the coupon code "2COURSE" at checkout. To get
the discount, you MUST order both courses together.

I am working on the IPv6 course, which I plan to have ready for late 
April timeframe.  Additionally, the QOS and VPN courses will be ready to 
go in April.  Also note that I will be adding a full MTCNA+ Event soon 
as well.  Looking at the possibility of going the the Miami MUM and 
doing a wireless (MTCWE) training.  Who else is planning to go to Miami?

--
Butch Evans
702-537-0979
Network Support and Engineering
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

The impact of the 1:1 frequency reuse must be a big hit otherwise the LTE 
cellular companies wouldn't be fighting for more spectrum?

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

> On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Yeah.  I do wonder what the tradeoffs are though.  It seems like there would 
> be some level of self interference.  
> 
>> LTE supports 1:1 frequency reuse. Same channel everywhere.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:21:24 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...
>> 
>> So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully 
>> utilize the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more than 
>> 1 base station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running multiple 
>> 20mhz channels with this product to get these crazy high throughput numbers 
>> but it looks like if I want to put this on a tower and get 360 degrees I am 
>> going to have to use smaller channel widths for frequency planning which is 
>> going to result in lower throughput because of the smaller channels Or 
>> is it just magic and it will work anyway?
>> 
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

Kurt, simple response the that:

Give the name of one company, yours included, that does not want more of 
whatever it is they "have."

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

The impact of the 1:1 frequency reuse must be a big hit otherwise the LTE 
cellular companies wouldn't be fighting for more spectrum?

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah.  I do wonder what the tradeoffs are though.  It seems like there would be 
some level of self interference.
LTE supports 1:1 frequency reuse. Same channel everywhere.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:21:24 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...
So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully utilize 
the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more than 1 base 
station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running multiple 20mhz 
channels with this product to get these crazy high throughput numbers but it 
looks like if I want to put this on a tower and get 360 degrees I am going to 
have to use smaller channel widths for frequency planning which is going to 
result in lower throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just 
magic and it will work anyway?

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110







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Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

2015-03-06 Thread Jason McKemie

That's the kind of math that makes my head hurt.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:

>  I specifically reject words like "magic" Kurt. It is just math (1), and
> (2) simply a level of technology new to you. We can do 360 with pretty much
> any number (and have field examples of them all) of antennas you can think
> of, all within that 50 MHz: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8...
>
>
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 1:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...
>
>
>
> From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully
> utilize the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more
> than 1 base station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running
> multiple 20mhz channels with this product to get these crazy high
> throughput numbers but it looks like if I want to put this on a tower and
> get 360 degrees I am going to have to use smaller channel widths for
> frequency planning which is going to result in lower throughput because of
> the smaller channels Or is it just magic and it will work anyway?
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

See, math is magic.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

That's the kind of math that makes my head hurt.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:

  I specifically reject words like "magic" Kurt. It is just math (1), and (2) 
simply a level of technology new to you. We can do 360 with pretty much any 
number (and have field examples of them all) of antennas you can think of, all 
within that 50 MHz: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8...

Patrick Leary

M 727.501.3735 

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

  From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.

  On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

  So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully utilize 
the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more than 1 base 
station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running multiple 20mhz 
channels with this product to get these crazy high throughput numbers but it 
looks like if I want to put this on a tower and get 360 degrees I am going to 
have to use smaller channel widths for frequency planning which is going to 
result in lower throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just 
magic and it will work anyway?

  Kurt Fankhauser

  Wavelinc Communications

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

  tel. 419-562-6405

  fax. 419-617-0110

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Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

Okay, "uncle."

Being a wordsmith, math can be mysterious to me. Point taken.

I REALLY want my Guinness (looks at time on phone).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

See, math is magic.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

That's the kind of math that makes my head hurt.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
I specifically reject words like "magic" Kurt. It is just math (1), and (2) 
simply a level of technology new to you. We can do 360 with pretty much any 
number (and have field examples of them all) of antennas you can think of, all 
within that 50 MHz: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8...


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:
So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully utilize 
the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more than 1 base 
station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running multiple 20mhz 
channels with this product to get these crazy high throughput numbers but it 
looks like if I want to put this on a tower and get 360 degrees I am going to 
have to use smaller channel widths for frequency planning which is going to 
result in lower throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just 
magic and it will work anyway?

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110





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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread Mathew Howard

I think Chuck's time is better spent making good stuff. :P

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

>  So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the
> PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?
>   Any chance Chucks team can take over the PowerBeam product line?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>
>
>
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>   --
>
> *From: *"Randy Cosby" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>
> Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324,
> 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
>
> The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
>
> --
>
>
>
> [image:
> imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2&filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png]
> 
>
> Randy Cosby
> InfoWest, Inc
> 435-674-0165 x 2010
> infowest.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

Like I said earlier on another thread; Any sufficiently advanced 
technology is indistinguishable from magic.


We've been playing with burning sticks, and Telrad is bringing us 
electricity.


or something like that...

bp


On 3/6/2015 10:27 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:


I specifically reject words like "magic" Kurt. It is just math (1), 
and (2) simply a level of technology new to you. We can do 360 with 
pretty much any number (and have field examples of them all) of 
antennas you can think of, all within that 50 MHz: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8...


*Patrick Leary*

***M*727.501.3735




*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 1:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote:


So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully 
utilize the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have 
more than 1 base station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be 
running multiple 20mhz channels with this product to get these crazy 
high throughput numbers but it looks like if I want to put this on a 
tower and get 360 degrees I am going to have to use smaller channel 
widths for frequency planning which is going to result in lower 
throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just magic and 
it will work anyway?


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com 

tel. 419-562-6405 

fax. 419-617-0110 





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Re: [AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000

2015-03-06 Thread Chuck Hogg

So I talked to the Fujitsu rep at WISPAMERICA and we discussed how he
should enter the WISP market.  He said that it currently is in the $24k
range if I remember correctly.  He said he would like to get the price down
to about 40-50% of that, somewhere around $6k/end.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  And look at the power consumption.ï¿½ 25w!!!ï¿½ Half of an AF24 (or AF5
> for that matter).ï¿½ But geez. 4.5 GHz channel size.ï¿½ Holy smokes.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/6/2015 9:33 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:
>
>  New-ish 3 Gbps full duplex uncompressed point to point radio I had not
> heard of before.. Good up to around 2km or so..
>
> ï¿½
>
>  ï¿½
>
> http://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/network/products/gx-4000-e-band-radio/
>
> ï¿½
>
>
> *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000

It is good news that players like that want in to the WISP market. It is proof 
WISPA (and WISPs) are being taken ever more seriously. The market has come a 
long way and WISPA owns tons of the credit.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D05817.E34052C0]





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000

So I talked to the Fujitsu rep at WISPAMERICA and we discussed how he should 
enter the WISP market.  He said that it currently is in the $24k range if I 
remember correctly.  He said he would like to get the price down to about 
40-50% of that, somewhere around $6k/end.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
And look at the power consumption.ï¿½ 25w!!!ï¿½ Half of an AF24 (or AF5 for 
that matter).ï¿½ But geez. 4.5 GHz channel size.ï¿½ Holy smokes.




bp




On 3/6/2015 9:33 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:

New-ish 3 Gbps full duplex uncompressed point to point radio I had not heard of 
before.. Good up to around 2km or so..

ï¿½

[cid:image002.jpg@01D05817.E34052C0]

ï¿½

http://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/network/products/gx-4000-e-band-radio/

ï¿½
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

ï¿½






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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread Chuck Macenski

Yeah, but we are able to get some pretty AWESOME Grizzlies seats :)

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I think Chuck's time is better spent making good stuff. :P
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>  So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the
>> PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?
>>   Any chance Chucks team can take over the PowerBeam product line?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>   --
>>
>> *From: *"Randy Cosby" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>>
>> Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324,
>> 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
>>
>> The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> [image:
>> imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2&filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png]
>> 
>>
>> Randy Cosby
>> InfoWest, Inc
>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>> infowest.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

Does your bonus include playing Robert 1-1 in basketball?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

Yeah, but we are able to get some pretty AWESOME Grizzlies seats :)

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think Chuck's time is better spent making good stuff. :P

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the PowerBeams/Nanobeams 
have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?   Any chance Chucks team 
can take over the PowerBeam product line?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Randy Cosby" mailto:dco...@infowest.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324, 
5475-5720, 5730-5845.

The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
--

[imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2&filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png]

Randy Cosby
InfoWest, Inc
435-674-0165 x 2010
infowest.com

[AFMUG] I think someone violated the FCC power limit on their FSO link

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2477880,00.asp

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

Birds is magic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1NAFfI6CwQ

From: Patrick Leary 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

Okay, "uncle." 

Being a wordsmith, math can be mysterious to me. Point taken. 

I REALLY want my Guinness (looks at time on phone).

  Patrick Leary

  M 727.501.3735 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

See, math is magic.

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 12:52 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

That's the kind of math that makes my head hurt.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:

I specifically reject words like "magic" Kurt. It is just math (1), and (2) 
simply a level of technology new to you. We can do 360 with pretty much any 
number (and have field examples of them all) of antennas you can think of, all 
within that 50 MHz: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8...

  Patrick Leary

  M 727.501.3735 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

>From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully utilize 
the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more than 1 base 
station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running multiple 20mhz 
channels with this product to get these crazy high throughput numbers but it 
looks like if I want to put this on a tower and get 360 degrees I am going to 
have to use smaller channel widths for frequency planning which is going to 
result in lower throughput because of the smaller channels Or is it just 
magic and it will work anyway?

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

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Re: [AFMUG] I think someone violated the FCC power limit on their FSO link

2015-03-06 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Austin powers would be proud.

Now they need to miniaturize it and attach it to sharks.
On Mar 6, 2015 12:23 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>  http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2477880,00.asp
>
>
>
> Rory
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread e...@kuhnke-international.com

When can I actually buy an AF5X?
 

> On March 6, 2015 at 2:18 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
> 
>  Yeah, but we are able to get some pretty AWESOME Grizzlies seats :)
> 
>  On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Mathew Howard   > wrote:
>> >I think Chuck's time is better spent making good stuff. :P
> > 
> >On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Rory Conaway  >  > wrote:
> >  > > > 
> > >  So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the
> > > PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?
> > > Any chance Chucks team can take over the PowerBeam product line?
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > >  Rory
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > >  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ]
> > > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > >  Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
> > >  To: af@afmug.com 
> > >  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  -
> > >  Mike Hammett
> > >  Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > >  http://www.ics-il.com
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  -
> > > 
> > >  From: "Randy Cosby" mailto:dco...@infowest.com>
> > > >
> > >  To: af@afmug.com 
> > >  Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
> > >  Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
> > > 
> > >  Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245,
> > > 5255-5324, 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
> > > 
> > >  The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
> > > 
> > >  --
> > > 
> > >
> > > 
> > >  Randy Cosby
> > >  InfoWest, Inc
> > >  435-674-0165 x 2010 
> > >  infowest.com 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > >> >  >

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread Keefe John


Are you going to do the direct order thing again on your website?

On 3/6/2015 1:46 PM, Ben Moore wrote:
Distributors are able to take pre-orders now, shipments will leave 
this month.  You will see shipments start to arrive this month as well 
(first shipments being sent via air).


Thanks,
Ben

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com 
 > wrote:


When can I actually buy an AF5X?

On March 6, 2015 at 2:18 PM Chuck Macenski mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:

Yeah, but we are able to get some pretty AWESOME Grizzlies seats :)

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think Chuck's time is better spent making good stuff. :P

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and
the PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and
still no DFS approval? Any chance Chucks team can take
over the PowerBeam product line?

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action


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-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







*From: *"Randy Cosby" mailto:dco...@infowest.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT OET action

Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval -
5160-5245, 5255-5324, 5475-5720, 5730-5845.

The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?

-- 






Randy Cosby
InfoWest, Inc
435-674-0165 x 2010 
infowest.com

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread Ben Moore

Distributors are able to take pre-orders now, shipments will leave this
month.  You will see shipments start to arrive this month as well (first
shipments being sent via air).

Thanks,
Ben

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com <
e...@kuhnke-international.com> wrote:

>   When can I actually buy an AF5X?
>
>
> On March 6, 2015 at 2:18 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
>
>  Yeah, but we are able to get some pretty AWESOME Grizzlies seats :)
>
>  On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>  I think Chuck's time is better spent making good stuff. :P
>
>  On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>  So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the
> PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?
> Any chance Chucks team can take over the PowerBeam product line?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>
>
>
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>   --
>
> *From: *"Randy Cosby" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>
> Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324,
> 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
>
> The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
>
> --
>
>
>
> 
>
> Randy Cosby
> InfoWest, Inc
> 435-674-0165 x 2010
> infowest.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread Ben Moore

These will not be listed on the store at this time.

Thanks,
Ben

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

>  Are you going to do the direct order thing again on your website?
>
> On 3/6/2015 1:46 PM, Ben Moore wrote:
>
> Distributors are able to take pre-orders now, shipments will leave this
> month.  You will see shipments start to arrive this month as well (first
> shipments being sent via air).
>
>  Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com <
> e...@kuhnke-international.com> wrote:
>
>>  When can I actually buy an AF5X?
>>
>>
>>  On March 6, 2015 at 2:18 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
>>
>>  Yeah, but we are able to get some pretty AWESOME Grizzlies seats :)
>>
>>   On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   I think Chuck's time is better spent making good stuff. :P
>>
>>   On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   So the AF5X just came out and already has approval and the
>> PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and still no DFS approval?
>> Any chance Chucks team can take over the PowerBeam product line?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>   --
>>
>> *From: *"Randy Cosby" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT OET action
>>
>> Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324,
>> 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
>>
>> The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Randy Cosby
>> InfoWest, Inc
>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>> infowest.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000

That seems reasonable. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Chuck Hogg"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 1:09:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fujitsu GX-4000 


So I talked to the Fujitsu rep at WISPAMERICA and we discussed how he should 
enter the WISP market. He said that it currently is in the $24k range if I 
remember correctly. He said he would like to get the price down to about 40-50% 
of that, somewhere around $6k/end. 



Regards, 
Chuck 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



And look at the power consumption.ï¿½ 25w!!!ï¿½ Half of an AF24 (or AF5 for 
that matter).ï¿½ But geez. 4.5 GHz channel size.ï¿½ Holy smokes. 


bp
 
On 3/6/2015 9:33 AM, Peter Kranz wrote: 




New-ish 3 Gbps full duplex uncompressed point to point radio I had not heard of 
before.. Good up to around 2km or so.. 
ï¿½ 

ï¿½ 
http://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/network/products/gx-4000-e-band-radio/ 
ï¿½ 
Peter Kranz 
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

2015-03-06 Thread e...@kuhnke-international.com

Ben, Chuck,
 
If you guys can donate a first production run af5x, I can send you photos of it
providing a backhaul link for an Ebola response command center in Freetown,
Sierra Leone. PR worth its weight in gold. We are two hops upstream from the
cable landing station and an STM64 to London.
 

> On March 6, 2015 at 2:47 PM Ben Moore  wrote:
> 
>  These will not be listed on the store at this time.
>   
>  Thanks,
>  Ben
> 
>  On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Keefe John   > wrote:
>> >Are you going to do the direct order thing again on your website?
> > 
> >On 3/6/2015 1:46 PM, Ben Moore wrote:
> > 
> >> > >Distributors are able to take pre-orders now, shipments
> >> > > will leave this month. You will see shipments start to arrive
> >> > > this month as well (first shipments being sent via air).
> > > 
> > >Thanks,
> > >Ben
> > > 
> > >On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com
> > >   > >  > wrote:
> > >  > > > >  When can I actually buy an AF5X?
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > >   > > > > >   On March 6, 2015 at 2:18 PM Chuck Macenski
> > > >   > > > > > < ch...@macenski.com  >
> > > >   > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >   Yeah, but we are able to get some pretty AWESOME Grizzlies
> > > > > seats :)
> > > > > 
> > > > >   On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Mathew Howard
> > > > > mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I think Chuck's time is better
> > > > > > > > > > > spent making good stuff. :P
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Rory Conaway
> > > > > > mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   So the AF5X just came out and already has approval
> > > > > > > and the PowerBeams/Nanobeams have been out for a year and still no
> > > > > > > DFS approval? Any chance Chucks team can take over the PowerBeam
> > > > > > > product line?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   Rory
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > > > > > >  ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > > > > > >   Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:17 AM
> > > > > > >   To: af@afmug.com 
> > > > > > >   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&tcb_code=&application_id=222677&fcc_id=SWX-AF5X
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   -
> > > > > > >   Mike Hammett
> > > > > > >   Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > > >   http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   From: "Randy Cosby"  > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >   To: af@afmug.com 
> > > > > > >   Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 12:13:49 PM
> > > > > > >   Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval -
> > > > > > > 5160-5245, 5255-5324, 5475-5720, 5730-5845.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind,
> > > > > > > right?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   -- 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   Randy Cosby
> > > > > > >   InfoWest, Inc
> > > > > > >   435-674-0165 x 2010 
> > > > > > >   infowest.com 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > 
> > > > >  > > > >   
> > > >> > > 
> > >> >  >

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...

2015-03-06 Thread TJ Trout

All of telrads magic is in marketing as far as I am concerned at this point
;)
On Mar 6, 2015 11:26 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

>   Birds is magic.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1NAFfI6CwQ
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>
>  *From:* Patrick Leary 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 12:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...
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>
> Okay, "uncle."
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>
> Being a wordsmith, math can be mysterious to me. Point taken.
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>
> I REALLY want my Guinness (looks at time on phone).
>
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>
> *Patrick Leary*
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> *M* 727.501.3735
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 1:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...
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>
>
> See, math is magic.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 12:52 PM
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> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...
>
>
>
> That's the kind of math that makes my head hurt.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
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> I specifically reject words like "magic" Kurt. It is just math (1), and
> (2) simply a level of technology new to you. We can do 360 with pretty much
> any number (and have field examples of them all) of antennas you can think
> of, all within that 50 MHz: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8...
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> *Patrick Leary*
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> *M* 727.501.3735
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 1:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...
>
>
>
> From what I understand, frequency re-use is an option.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
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> So if we only have 50mhz (today) in the 3.65ghz band how can we fully
> utilize the Telrad Base stations to maximum throughput if you have more
> than 1 base station on a tower? Sounds like I would have to be running
> multiple 20mhz channels with this product to get these crazy high
> throughput numbers but it looks like if I want to put this on a tower and
> get 360 degrees I am going to have to use smaller channel widths for
> frequency planning which is going to result in lower throughput because of
> the smaller channels Or is it just magic and it will work anyway?
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
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> http://www.wavelinc.com
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> tel. 419-562-6405
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> fax. 419-617-0110
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Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Magic...