Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Chuck Hogg]

No, but I've been meaning to.  We just already have 2 splicers...but the
$3k core alignment is basically a copy of one of the majors and most of the
imported stuff I have received works fine most of the time.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Stay away for regular use?
>
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone tried out the 'straight from China' ones on eBay for like $3000?
>> Anyone have suggestions?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

[David Milholen]

The Building is NAKED!


On 4/22/2015 7:57 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Stop porning the list

On Apr 22, 2015 7:56 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


One done one to go

Jaime Solorza



--

Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

[Chuck McCown]

Push it, push it real good.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

Driving the rod

Jaime Solorza

On Apr 22, 2015 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Yeah, didn’t any of you have an Erector Set as a kid?

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:01 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

  Tower erection IS the proper term.  And how about this big pole? 

  Jaime Solorza

  On Apr 22, 2015 7:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

Stop porning the list

On Apr 22, 2015 7:56 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  One done one to go

  Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

[Paul Stewart]

ROFL .. ok, have to share this…

 

Was just coming out a meeting where I was presenting some information on 
boardroom monitors.  Forgot my email is open and my Outlook pops up in the 
corner with an email notification “Erection Fun… Push it, Push it Real Good”

 

Note to self – close email when doing presentations haha

 

;)

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

 

Push it, push it real good.

 

From: Jaime Solorza   

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:28 PM

To: Animal Farm   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

 

Driving the rod

Jaime Solorza

On Apr 22, 2015 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

Yeah, didn’t any of you have an Erector Set as a kid?

 

From: Jaime Solorza   

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:01 PM

To: Animal Farm   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

 

Tower erection IS the proper term.  And how about this big pole? 

Jaime Solorza

On Apr 22, 2015 7:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Stop porning the list

On Apr 22, 2015 7:56 PM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One done one to go

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

[Mike Hammett]

haha 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:49:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun 



ROFL .. ok, have to share this… 

Was just coming out a meeting where I was presenting some information on 
boardroom monitors. Forgot my email is open and my Outlook pops up in the 
corner with an email notification “Erection Fun… Push it, Push it Real Good” 

Note to self – close email when doing presentations haha 

;) 





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:27 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun 




Push it, push it real good. 






From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:28 PM 

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun 



Driving the rod 
Jaime Solorza 

On Apr 22, 2015 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






Yeah, didn’t any of you have an Erector Set as a kid? 






From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:01 PM 

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun 



Tower erection IS the proper term. And how about this big pole? 
Jaime Solorza 

On Apr 22, 2015 7:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Stop porning the list 

On Apr 22, 2015 7:56 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 


One done one to go 
Jaime Solorza 

[AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Matt]

Anyone know what they all did here yet?

http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Josh Luthman]

Are you not in WISPA???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt  wrote:

> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Time Warner Cable is using them.


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a
> certain number of customers (whatever that number is).  Nice to see more
> vendors taking on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it
> differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware
> environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up
> front model.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com, "Ken Hohhof" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
> I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever.
>
> Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in
> distributed deployments.
>
> On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes.
>
>
>
> 600 Gbps and still all in software?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market?
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> “I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like Comcast,
> AT&T, Verizon.  I assume Google Fiber will design and build their own,
> unless they totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem.”
>
>
>
> http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Paul Stewart]

TWC is using Saisei on a per user per month model?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

Time Warner Cable is using them.




 

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a certain 
number of customers (whatever that number is).  Nice to see more vendors taking 
on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it 
differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware 
environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up 
front model.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


  _  


From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  , "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever.

Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in 
distributed deployments.

On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes.

 

600 Gbps and still all in software?

 

From: Josh Luthman   

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market?

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

“I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like Comcast, AT&T, 
Verizon.  I assume Google Fiber will design and build their own, unless they 
totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem.”

 

http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2

 

 

 


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Josh Luthman]

TWC is using Procera.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> TWC is using Saisei on a per user per month model?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:56 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> Time Warner Cable is using them.
>
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a
> certain number of customers (whatever that number is).  Nice to see more
> vendors taking on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it
> differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware
> environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up
> front model.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com, "Ken Hohhof" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
> I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever.
>
> Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in
> distributed deployments.
>
> On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes.
>
>
>
> 600 Gbps and still all in software?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market?
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> “I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like Comcast,
> AT&T, Verizon.  I assume Google Fiber will design and build their own,
> unless they totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem.”
>
>
>
> http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Paul Stewart]

Among other things …

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

TWC is using Procera.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

TWC is using Saisei on a per user per month model?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:56 AM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

Time Warner Cable is using them.




 

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405  

fax. 419-617-0110  

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a certain 
number of customers (whatever that number is).  Nice to see more vendors taking 
on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it 
differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware 
environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up 
front model.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


  _  


From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  , "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever.

Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in 
distributed deployments.

On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes.

 

600 Gbps and still all in software?

 

From: Josh Luthman   

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market?

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

“I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like Comcast, AT&T, 
Verizon.  I assume Google Fiber will design and build their own, unless they 
totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem.”

 

http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2

 

 

 


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Matt]

> Are you not in WISPA???

Not a lot of answers on members list yet.

>> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>
>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Josh Luthman]

This was discussed a  bunch last week I think?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Matt  wrote:

> > Are you not in WISPA???
>
> Not a lot of answers on members list yet.
>
> >> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
> >>
> >>
> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

why not just answer the guys question

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> This was discussed a  bunch last week I think?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Matt 
> wrote:
>
>> > Are you not in WISPA???
>>
>> Not a lot of answers on members list yet.
>>
>> >> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Josh Luthman]

I don't know the answer, but it is on WISPA lists.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:23 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> why not just answer the guys question
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> This was discussed a  bunch last week I think?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Matt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Are you not in WISPA???
>>>
>>> Not a lot of answers on members list yet.
>>>
>>> >> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Chris Wright]

You’re not on WISPA? ☺

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile 
Broadband

I don't know the answer, but it is on WISPA lists.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:23 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
why not just answer the guys question

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
This was discussed a  bunch last week I think?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Matt 
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Are you not in WISPA???

Not a lot of answers on members list yet.

>> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>
>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Mike Hammett]

That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile 
Broadband 


Are you not in WISPA??? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Anyone know what they all did here yet? 

http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Mathew Howard]

I don't think anyone has figured out quite yet what all they did...

Here's what I've gotten out of what I've read:

- We get another 100mhz of spectrum (3550-3650), once the SAS thingy is in
place and gear gets updated/certified to support it.
- There's some kind of PAL licenses that could potentially make up to 70mhz
of that spectrum unusable, but we also can bid on those licenses... and
since they're per census tract, they might actually be affordable.
- Everything that's currently registered in 3650-3700 gets grandfathered
and some sort of protected status for the next 5 years or so.

The biggest question I have at this point is what happens with 3.65 until
the new system is in place... it doesn't seem clear if we can still
register new gear, or if we even have to if it's in areas where we
currently have APs registered. I think we have to wait until smarter people
have read the new rules and deciphered what they mean...


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:23 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> why not just answer the guys question
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> This was discussed a  bunch last week I think?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Matt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Are you not in WISPA???
>>>
>>> Not a lot of answers on members list yet.
>>>
>>> >> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now Available!

[Chris Wright]

It’s a personal cell tower, hence “femtocell”. To the user’s phone, it’s a 
really close cell tower.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now Available!

Don't know exactly what it is, but it sounds like it is WiFi calling through 
his cell phone. I think T-Mobile went this route instead of selling femtocells 
to all their subscribers. Probably a smarter solution than a femtocell in the 
long run anyway; at least it's simpler.

Yes, it's double-NAT, but we always put the subscriber's router on the DMZ, so 
it's technically NAT without PAT. That configuration usually solves the NAT 
traversal issues that we see.




bp




On 4/22/2015 1:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Is this with the Personal CellSpot, or just WiFi calling?

I would speculate WiFi calling uses a VPN and there is a NAT traversal issue.  
Is this double NAT (i.e. the customer has a NAT router behind the SM)?

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now Available!


I can't speak to the femtocell issue (yet), but we just tried a site with a 
T-mobile "WiFi calling" feature that still does not work when the SM is in NAT 
mode (it does work in bridge mode).

Speculation was that T-mobile's WiFi calling was having the same packet 
fragmentation issue that has always plagued femtocells, but this is apparently 
not the case.

We only have one subscriber with T-mobile (they have lousy coverage in this 
area, so they are not a common cell-phone choice).

What's the best way to figure out what the issue is?


bp




On 4/17/2015 8:15 AM, Jonathan Mandziara wrote:
Bill,

That fix was pulled into the PMP100 load line for 13.4.

Can you try it on your PMP100s and let us know if it is working satisfactory?

Best,

Cambium Jonathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now Available!

What I'm talking about is the thing that breaks femtocells when the SM is in 
NAT mode.




bp




On 4/17/2015 6:44 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not seeing anything about the packet fragmentation that breaks most femtocells. 
I know this was in the 13.2 release for PMP4x0, but did it ever make it into 
the PMP100?




bp




On 4/17/2015 6:32 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
This software also adds a LOT of new features to the PMP 100 platform, so try 
it out.

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Mike Hammett]

Another GMail user? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:58:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M 



TWC is using Saisei on a per user per month model? 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:56 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M 


Time Warner Cable is using them. 









Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 


On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 




Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a certain 
number of customers (whatever that number is). Nice to see more vendors taking 
on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”… 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M 


I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it 
differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware 
environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up 
front model. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > 
To: af@afmug.com , "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M 

I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever. 

Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in 
distributed deployments. 

On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes. 



600 Gbps and still all in software? 






From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M 




I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 




“ I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like Comcast, 
AT&T, Verizon. I assume Google Fiber will design and build their own, unless 
they totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem. ” 





http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2 









-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now Available!

[Bill Prince]

There is no femtocell. Just the user's cell phone making calls through 
the WiFi interface.


bp


On 4/23/2015 8:46 AM, Chris Wright wrote:


It’s a personal cell tower, hence “femtocell”. To the user’s phone, 
it’s a really close cell tower.


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now Available!

Don't know exactly what it is, but it sounds like it is WiFi calling 
through his cell phone. I think T-Mobile went this route instead of 
selling femtocells to all their subscribers. Probably a smarter 
solution than a femtocell in the long run anyway; at least it's simpler.


Yes, it's double-NAT, but we always put the subscriber's router on the 
DMZ, so it's technically NAT without PAT. That configuration usually 
solves the NAT traversal issues that we see.




bp

  


On 4/22/2015 1:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Is this with the Personal CellSpot, or just WiFi calling?

I would speculate WiFi calling uses a VPN and there is a NAT
traversal issue.  Is this double NAT (i.e. the customer has a NAT
router behind the SM)?

*From:*Bill Prince 

*Sent:*Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:50 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now
Available!

I can't speak to the femtocell issue (yet), but we just tried a
site with a T-mobile "WiFi calling" feature that still does not
work when the SM is in NAT mode (it does work in bridge mode).

Speculation was that T-mobile's WiFi calling was having the same
packet fragmentation issue that has always plagued femtocells, but
this is apparently not the case.

We only have one subscriber with T-mobile (they have lousy
coverage in this area, so they are not a common cell-phone choice).

What's the best way to figure out what the issue is?

bp



  


On 4/17/2015 8:15 AM, Jonathan Mandziara wrote:

Bill,

That fix was pulled into the PMP100 load line for 13.4.

Can you try it on your PMP100s and let us know if it is
working satisfactory?

Best,

Cambium Jonathan

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 9:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now
Available!

What I'm talking about is the thing that breaks femtocells
when the SM is in NAT mode.



bp



  


On 4/17/2015 6:44 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Not seeing anything about the packet fragmentation that
breaks most femtocells. I know this was in the 13.2
release for PMP4x0, but did it ever make it into the PMP100?



bp



  


On 4/17/2015 6:32 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

This software also adds a LOT of new features to the
PMP 100 platform, so try it out.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats a huge question here, if the AP is grandfathered, what about new
subscribers?


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available
> forMobile Broadband
>
> Are you not in WISPA???
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>
>>
>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Mike Hammett]

I don't think they care about APs vs. CPEs, only locations. 

I don't have the answer. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:57:41 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile 
Broadband 


thats a huge question here, if the AP is grandfathered, what about new 
subscribers? 




On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile 
Broadband 


Are you not in WISPA??? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Anyone know what they all did here yet? 

http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
 










-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

[AFMUG] Ancient BHs

[Dan Petermann]

I have a pair of P8 BH20 radios. 

Can they do HW scheduling?  

Its been so long I’ve forgotten.

Re: [AFMUG] Ancient BHs

[Josh Luthman]

I think so...can you upgrade them past 7.3.6?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:

> I have a pair of P8 BH20 radios.
>
> Can they do HW scheduling?
>
> Its been so long I’ve forgotten.

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Ken Hohhof]

Certainly the FCC would send their technical staff out to all the major wired 
and wireless ISPs to understand what devices and techniques they currently use 
for network management, before reclassifying the whole industry and writing 300 
pages of rules, right?

Or would they just listen to some lobbyists, politicians, and Silicon Valley 
content providers whining about hypothetical harms.  (Which reminds me of the 
Precrime police in Minority Report.)


From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

Among other things …

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

TWC is using Procera.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  TWC is using Saisei on a per user per month model?

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:56 AM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

   

  Time Warner Cable is using them.




   

  Kurt Fankhauser

  Wavelinc Communications

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

  tel. 419-562-6405

  fax. 419-617-0110

   

  On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a 
certain number of customers (whatever that number is).  Nice to see more 
vendors taking on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it 
differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware 
environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up 
front model.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 




From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com, "Ken Hohhof" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever.

Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in 
distributed deployments.

On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes.

   

  600 Gbps and still all in software?

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

   

  I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market?

   

   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart  
wrote:

“I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like 
Comcast, AT&T, Verizon.  I assume Google Fiber will design and build their own, 
unless they totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem.”

 

http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2

 

 

   


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

 

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] Ancient BHs

[Jon Langeler]

no

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:
> 
> I have a pair of P8 BH20 radios. 
> 
> Can they do HW scheduling?  
> 
> Its been so long I’ve forgotten.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor Mobile Broadband

[Ken Hohhof]

There needs to be a TLDR list, especially where government documents are 
concerned.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor Mobile 
Broadband

That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for
Mobile Broadband


Are you not in WISPA???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt  wrote:

  Anyone know what they all did here yet?

  
http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor Mobile Broadband

[Mike Hammett]

Threaded mail client? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:18:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor Mobile 
Broadband 




There needs to be a TLDR list, especially where government documents are 
concerned. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:45 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor Mobile 
Broadband 


That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile 
Broadband 


Are you not in WISPA??? 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Anyone know what they all did here yet? 

http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now Available!

[Matt]

>>>Any plans to fix the PTP230 session drop issues?
>
> 13.4 fixes a PTP230 crash. When the BHS crashes, it looks like a session
> drop at the BHM. Please try the beta. If you see any issue, please let us
> know at
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/Beta-Software-Release-13-4-Build-7-is-available/m-p/39945#U39945
>
> Rajesh Vijayakumar
> Cambium Networks

Pretty sure that is not it.  Do not see any log entries indicating
reboot etc on slave.  Seems the issue is when it switches from 3x to
2x it drops the session rather then gracefully switching modulation.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor Mobile Broadband

[Josh Luthman]

I think he means more like:

FCC 3.65 rules:
*old stuff is grandfathered in previous to april 13
*new stuff has these new rules
*EIRP went down to 10
*other details


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Threaded mail client?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:18:01 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum
> AvailableforMobileBroadband
>
>  There needs to be a TLDR list, especially where government documents are
> concerned.
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor
> Mobile Broadband
>
>  That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available
> forMobile Broadband
>
> Are you not in WISPA???
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>
>>
>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Paul Stewart]

ROFL … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

Certainly the FCC would send their technical staff out to all the major wired 
and wireless ISPs to understand what devices and techniques they currently use 
for network management, before reclassifying the whole industry and writing 300 
pages of rules, right?

 

Or would they just listen to some lobbyists, politicians, and Silicon Valley 
content providers whining about hypothetical harms.  (Which reminds me of the 
Precrime police in Minority Report.)

 

 

From: Paul Stewart   

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

Among other things …

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

TWC is using Procera.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

TWC is using Saisei on a per user per month model?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:56 AM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

Time Warner Cable is using them.




 

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405  

fax. 419-617-0110  

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a certain 
number of customers (whatever that number is).  Nice to see more vendors taking 
on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it 
differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware 
environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up 
front model.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


  _  


From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  , "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever.

Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in 
distributed deployments.

On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes.

 

600 Gbps and still all in software?

 

From: Josh Luthman   

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

 

I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market?

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

“I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like Comcast, AT&T, 
Verizon.  I assume Google Fiber will design and build their own, unless they 
totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem.”

 

http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2

 

 

 


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Ancient BHs

[Bill Prince]

P8 can not do hardware scheduling. FPGA too small.

bp


On 4/23/2015 9:01 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:

I have a pair of P8 BH20 radios.

Can they do HW scheduling?

Its been so long I�ve forgotten.

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Peter Kranz]

Is this the $3k unit you guys are looking at?

 



 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

 

No, but I've been meaning to.  We just already have 2 splicers...but the $3k 
core alignment is basically a copy of one of the majors and most of the 
imported stuff I have received works fine most of the time.




Regards,
Chuck

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > 
wrote:

Stay away for regular use?



On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote:

Anyone tried out the 'straight from China' ones on eBay for like $3000? Anyone 
have suggestions?

Sent from my iPhone

 

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Adam Moffett]

I borrowed one of those from an associate so I could do 4 splices. I had 
no problem with my 4 splices.which I guess is not really saying much. :)


On 4/23/2015 12:41 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:


Is this the $3k unit you guys are looking at?

*Image result for dvp-740 fusion splicer***

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

No, but I've been meaning to.  We just already have 2 splicers...but 
the $3k core alignment is basically a copy of one of the majors and 
most of the imported stuff I have received works fine most of the time.



Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Stay away for regular use?



On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Jon Langeler
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote:

Anyone tried out the 'straight from China' ones on eBay for
like $3000? Anyone have suggestions?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Mathew Howard]

I tried reading the new rules... I think my brain has now turned to jello.

As far as I can tell, we can keep adding new gear and registering it the
same as before until our existing 3.65 licenses expire, or some time in
2020 - whichever is later.

The difference with stuff registered before April 17th is that it gets
protection from stuff operating under the new rules - so the SAS won't
allow GAA access inside the grandfathered contours on the frequencies that
are in use, but anything that's registered after April 17th does not get
incumbent user protections.

Of course I skipped through at least 90% of the PDF and I could be reading
it completely wrong...


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> thats a huge question here, if the AP is grandfathered, what about new
> subscribers?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available
>> forMobile Broadband
>>
>> Are you not in WISPA???
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[D. Ryan Spott]

Like this one or the ones below it?

ryan

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/271546789040?lpid=82&chn=ps

On 4/22/15 10:33 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:

Anyone tried out the 'straight from China' ones on eBay for like $3000? Anyone 
have suggestions?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Jon Langeler]

Yes the $3-4k splicers. What's the best of the cheapies?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:40 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:
> 
> Like this one or the ones below it?
> 
> ryan
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/271546789040?lpid=82&chn=ps
> 
>> On 4/22/15 10:33 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>> Anyone tried out the 'straight from China' ones on eBay for like $3000? 
>> Anyone have suggestions?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CAPsMAN

[Dennis Burgess]

Yep, shoot our office a call if you need assistance. 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory McCann
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CAPsMAN

Anyone out there have some solid experience with setting up CAPsMAN with 
multiple SSIDs, VLANs and VAPs? I'm banging my head against the wall with an 
issue and not getting anywhere.

I want to enable local forwarding on all of my CAPs so that traffic doesn't 
have to be sent back to CAPsMAN for routing. The only way that I've been able 
to get the VLAN tagging to work properly in the datapaths is by having the CAP 
add the necessary interfaces (wireless and wired) to a single bridge, then add 
the VLAN tags to that bridge. The problem is as soon as I do that and enable a 
wireless interface, the ethernet port starts flapping (literally goes up and 
down in the log).

--
Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor MobileBroadband

[Glen Waldrop]

Agreed.

When tech meets legal all it does is make me mad.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor 
MobileBroadband


  There needs to be a TLDR list, especially where government documents are 
concerned.

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:45 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor Mobile 
Broadband

  That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for
Mobile Broadband


  Are you not in WISPA???


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt  wrote:

Anyone know what they all did here yet?


http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Dennis Burgess]

That would be media status.  Store and forward vs pass thought allows it to 
change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice versa by 
storing packets and then forwarding as needed.  If you have gigE fiber and gig 
Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass the 
Ethernet status through the fiber.  In other words, if the DIP switch is in one 
setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then the fiber stays 
up.  In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also result in the 
fiber link itself going down.  Sometimes it’s the other way around where when 
there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to drop the Ethernet port 
(this way is more common come to think of it).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through.  I know most switches 
are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge on this.  
What are the differences between them?

Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Seth Mattinen]

Speaking of media converters, has anyone used the Mikrotik RBFTC11 yet? 
It appears dead simple: copper GigE (passive POE or 802.3af/at) to SFP 
with no config.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

[D. Ryan Spott]

I was giving a presentation to about 20 VPs at a large company and my 
wife sent me an IM about a customer that popped up on my screen.


"I am going to that 's house now. Hopefully he moved his 
jerkins and tissue away from his computer"


I froze like a deer in headlights. Then explained that my wife owned and 
ISP. The VPs giggled during the ENTIRE presentation.


ryan


On 4/23/15 6:49 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:


ROFL .. ok, have to share this…

Was just coming out a meeting where I was presenting some information 
on boardroom monitors.  Forgot my email is open and my Outlook pops up 
in the corner with an email notification “Erection Fun… Push it, Push 
it Real Good”


Note to self – close email when doing presentations haha

;)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

Push it, push it real good.

*From:*Jaime Solorza 

*Sent:*Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:28 PM

*To:*Animal Farm 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

Driving the rod

Jaime Solorza

On Apr 22, 2015 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:


Yeah, didn’t any of you have an Erector Set as a kid?

*From:*Jaime Solorza 

*Sent:*Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:01 PM

*To:*Animal Farm 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

Tower erection IS the proper term.  And how about this big pole?

Jaime Solorza

On Apr 22, 2015 7:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Stop porning the list

On Apr 22, 2015 7:56 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

One done one to go

Jaime Solorza



--
D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
broadband | telco | colo | community
PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284
360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Chuck Hogg]

AHAHAHAHA!

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   Certainly the FCC would send their technical staff out to all the major
> wired and wireless ISPs to understand what devices and techniques they
> currently use for network management, before reclassifying the whole
> industry and writing 300 pages of rules, right?
>
> Or would they just listen to some lobbyists, politicians, and Silicon
> Valley content providers whining about hypothetical harms.  (Which reminds
> me of the Precrime police in Minority Report.)
>
>
>  *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
> Among other things …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> TWC is using Procera.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>  TWC is using Saisei on a per user per month model?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> Time Warner Cable is using them.
>
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>  Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a
> certain number of customers (whatever that number is).  Nice to see more
> vendors taking on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it
> differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware
> environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up
> front model.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com, "Ken Hohhof" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
> I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever.
>
> Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in
> distributed deployments.
>
> On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>   Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes.
>
>
>
> 600 Gbps and still all in software?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M
>
>
>
> I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market?
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>  “I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like
> Comcast, AT&T, Verizon.  I assume Google Fiber will design and build their
> own, unless they totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem.”
>
>
>
> http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Chuck Hogg]

Yes

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> Is this the $3k unit you guys are looking at?
>
>
>
> *[image: Image result for dvp-740 fusion splicer]*
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>
>
>
> No, but I've been meaning to.  We just already have 2 splicers...but the
> $3k core alignment is basically a copy of one of the majors and most of the
> imported stuff I have received works fine most of the time.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Stay away for regular use?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Anyone tried out the 'straight from China' ones on eBay for like $3000?
> Anyone have suggestions?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Josh Luthman]

All gig so I will leave it that way.  Thanks!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 23, 2015 2:25 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:

>  That would be media status.  Store and forward vs pass thought allows it
> to change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice
> versa by storing packets and then forwarding as needed.  If you have gigE
> fiber and gig Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
>
>
> Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass the
> Ethernet status through the fiber.  In other words, if the DIP switch is in
> one setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then the
> fiber stays up.  In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also
> result in the fiber link itself going down.  Sometimes it’s the other way
> around where when there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to
> drop the Ethernet port (this way is more common come to think of it).
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
>
>
> I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through.  I know most
> switches are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge
> on this.  What are the differences between them?
>
>
>
> Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Paul Stewart]

Hmm interesting.. a media converter that changes speeds or actually switches 
frames?  … hmm…. Will have to Google this now :)

 

We avoided media converters when at all possible but have definitely seen lots 
of them when no other choice…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

That would be media status.  Store and forward vs pass thought allows it to 
change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice versa by 
storing packets and then forwarding as needed.  If you have gigE fiber and gig 
Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass the 
Ethernet status through the fiber.  In other words, if the DIP switch is in one 
setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then the fiber stays 
up.  In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also result in the 
fiber link itself going down.  Sometimes it’s the other way around where when 
there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to drop the Ethernet port 
(this way is more common come to think of it).

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through.  I know most switches 
are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge on this.  
What are the differences between them?

 

Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Ancient BHs

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

As a BH, no. As an SM, yes. But P8 SMs only do 1X. So throw them in the 
garbage. I have a few myself and that's where they're going.


On 4/23/2015 11:34 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

P8 can not do hardware scheduling. FPGA too small.

bp


On 4/23/2015 9:01 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:

I have a pair of P8 BH20 radios.

Can they do HW scheduling?

Its been so long I�ve forgotten.

Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

[Rory Conaway]

I think I just snorted milk out my nose.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

AHAHAHAHA!

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Certainly the FCC would send their technical staff out to all the major wired 
and wireless ISPs to understand what devices and techniques they currently use 
for network management, before reclassifying the whole industry and writing 300 
pages of rules, right?

Or would they just listen to some lobbyists, politicians, and Silicon Valley 
content providers whining about hypothetical harms.  (Which reminds me of the 
Precrime police in Minority Report.)


From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

Among other things …

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

TWC is using Procera.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Paul Stewart 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
TWC is using Saisei on a per user per month model?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

Time Warner Cable is using them.


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stewart 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Hmm… that’s quite interesting for smaller networks – makes sense to a certain 
number of customers (whatever that number is).  Nice to see more vendors taking 
on an approach to allow you to “pay as you grow”…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

I think Saisei just licensed the Procera technology and implemented it 
differently (and a lot better in my mind). I can run it on my VMware 
environment and they have a $/user/month model opposed to a big ass box up 
front model.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>
To: af@afmug.com, "Ken Hohhof" 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

I think you're thinking about Saisei or whatever.

Procera is done in hardware :) they also can stack their management in 
distributed deployments.
On April 22, 2015 7:32:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Looks like I was wrong, they have some pretty big boxes.

600 Gbps and still all in software?

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera sold for $240M

I was gonna say...isn't that kinda their market?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Paul Stewart 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
“I’m not sure Procera has a box for the really big carriers like Comcast, AT&T, 
Verizon.  I assume Google Fiber will design and build their own, unless they 
totally believe in throwing bandwidth at the problem.”

http://www.proceranetworks.com/products/pl2




--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor MobileBroadband

[Rory Conaway]

You must be talking about the Pontiac Fiero now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor 
MobileBroadband

Agreed.

When tech meets legal all it does is make me mad.

- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor 
MobileBroadband

There needs to be a TLDR list, especially where government documents are 
concerned.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Availablefor Mobile 
Broadband

That's usually my reaction whenever anyone makes an FCC related post.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:54:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for
Mobile Broadband
Are you not in WISPA???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt 
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Anyone know what they all did here yet?

http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Dennis, I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media 
converter' with something else  

Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media 
converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature 

Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a feature 
that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if the physical 
link is down on one side, it will bring the link down on the other side too ). 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

> That would be media status. Store and forward vs pass thought allows it to
> change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice versa
> by storing packets and then forwarding as needed. If you have gigE fiber and
> gig Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

> Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass the
> Ethernet status through the fiber. In other words, if the DIP switch is in
> one setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then the fiber
> stays up. In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also result
> in the fiber link itself going down. Sometimes it’s the other way around
> where when there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to drop the
> Ethernet port (this way is more common come to think of it).

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

> I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through. I know most switches
> are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge on this.
> What are the differences between them?

> Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola?

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Josh Luthman]

Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through.  That being
the case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state of
anything.

I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link
state.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Dennis,   I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media
> converter' with something else 
>
> Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media
> converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature
>
> Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a
> feature that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if
> the physical link is down on one side, it will bring the link down on the
> other side too ).
>
> Regards
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25:24 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
> That would be media status.  Store and forward vs pass thought allows it
> to change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice
> versa by storing packets and then forwarding as needed.  If you have gigE
> fiber and gig Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
>
>
> Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass the
> Ethernet status through the fiber.  In other words, if the DIP switch is in
> one setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then the
> fiber stays up.  In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also
> result in the fiber link itself going down.  Sometimes it’s the other way
> around where when there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to
> drop the Ethernet port (this way is more common come to think of it).
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
>
>
> I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through.  I know most
> switches are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge
> on this.  What are the differences between them?
>
>
>
> Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Faisal Imtiaz]

What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label 
implied meaning to be what one thinks it is ) 

(e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media converters 
about the options on their product 
https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml ) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

> Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through. That being the
> case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state of
> anything.

> I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link
> state.

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

> > Dennis, I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media
> > converter' with something else 
> 

> > Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media
> > converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature
> 

> > Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a
> > feature
> > that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if the
> > physical link is down on one side, it will bring the link down on the other
> > side too ).
> 

> > Regards
> 

> > Faisal Imtiaz
> 
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> > Miami, FL 33155
> 
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 

> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 

> > > From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net >
> > 
> 
> > > To: af@afmug.com
> > 
> 
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25:24 PM
> > 
> 
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
> > 
> 

> > > That would be media status. Store and forward vs pass thought allows it
> > > to
> > > change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice
> > > versa
> > > by storing packets and then forwarding as needed. If you have gigE fiber
> > > and
> > > gig Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.
> > 
> 

> > > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> > 
> 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
> > 
> 
> > > To: af@afmug.com
> > 
> 
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
> > 
> 

> > > Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass the
> > > Ethernet status through the fiber. In other words, if the DIP switch is
> > > in
> > > one setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then the
> > > fiber
> > > stays up. In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also
> > > result
> > > in the fiber link itself going down. Sometimes it’s the other way around
> > > where when there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to drop
> > > the
> > > Ethernet port (this way is more common come to think of it).
> > 
> 

> > > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > 
> 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
> > 
> 
> > > To: af@afmug.com
> > 
> 
> > > Subject: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
> > 
> 

> > > I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through. I know most
> > > switches
> > > are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge on
> > > this.
> > > What are the differences between them?
> > 
> 

> > > Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola?
> > 
> 

> > > Josh Luthman
> > 
> 
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > 
> 
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 
> 
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > 
> 
> > > Suite 1337
> > 
> 
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Josh Luthman]

One fiber port and one copper port.  Is that not the very definition of
media converter?  What are the other options?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label
> implied meaning to be what one thinks it is  )
>
> (e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media converters
> about the options on their product
> https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
> Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through.  That being
> the case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state of
> anything.
>
> I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link
> state.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Dennis,   I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media
>> converter' with something else 
>>
>> Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media
>> converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature
>>
>> Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a
>> feature that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if
>> the physical link is down on one side, it will bring the link down on the
>> other side too ).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25:24 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>> pass-through
>>
>> That would be media status.  Store and forward vs pass thought allows it
>> to change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice
>> versa by storing packets and then forwarding as needed.  If you have gigE
>> fiber and gig Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>> pass-through
>>
>>
>>
>> Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass the
>> Ethernet status through the fiber.  In other words, if the DIP switch is in
>> one setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then the
>> fiber stays up.  In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also
>> result in the fiber link itself going down.  Sometimes it’s the other way
>> around where when there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to
>> drop the Ethernet port (this way is more common come to think of it).
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through.  I know most
>> switches are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge
>> on this.  What are the differences between them?
>>
>>
>>
>> Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola?
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CAPsMAN

[Rory McCann]

I contacted David offlist and worked with it a bit with him. Seems like 
I've found a bug with 6.28, as the problem I'm having is not present in 
6.27.


Reporting it to MT support.

Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

On 4/23/2015 1:23 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

Yep, shoot our office a call if you need assistance.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory McCann
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CAPsMAN

Anyone out there have some solid experience with setting up CAPsMAN with 
multiple SSIDs, VLANs and VAPs? I'm banging my head against the wall with an 
issue and not getting anywhere.

I want to enable local forwarding on all of my CAPs so that traffic doesn't 
have to be sent back to CAPsMAN for routing. The only way that I've been able 
to get the VLAN tagging to work properly in the datapaths is by having the CAP 
add the necessary interfaces (wireless and wired) to a single bridge, then add 
the VLAN tags to that bridge. The problem is as soon as I do that and enable a 
wireless interface, the ethernet port starts flapping (literally goes up and 
down in the log).

--
Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

[AFMUG] John Deere and GM using DCMA to avoid self-repair

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/203913-general-motors-john-deere-want-to-keep-tinkering-self-repair-illegal?mailing_id=1232677&mailing=ExtremeTech&mailingID=ADAD2D25098719F8F1433FA88371912C



Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless
4226 S. 37th Street
Phoenix, Az.  85040
602-426-0542
www.triadwireless.net
r...@triadwireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

[Glen Waldrop]

hahaha

I hate those situations.


  - Original Message - 
  From: D. Ryan Spott 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 1:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun


  I was giving a presentation to about 20 VPs at a large company and my wife 
sent me an IM about a customer that popped up on my screen.

  "I am going to that 's house now. Hopefully he moved his 
jerkins and tissue away from his computer"

  I froze like a deer in headlights. Then explained that my wife owned and ISP. 
The VPs giggled during the ENTIRE presentation.

  ryan



  On 4/23/15 6:49 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

ROFL .. ok, have to share this…



Was just coming out a meeting where I was presenting some information on 
boardroom monitors.  Forgot my email is open and my Outlook pops up in the 
corner with an email notification “Erection Fun… Push it, Push it Real Good”



Note to self – close email when doing presentations haha



;)







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun



Push it, push it real good.



From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:28 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun



Driving the rod

Jaime Solorza

On Apr 22, 2015 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Yeah, didn’t any of you have an Erector Set as a kid?



  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:01 PM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun



  Tower erection IS the proper term.  And how about this big pole? 

  Jaime Solorza

  On Apr 22, 2015 7:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

Stop porning the list

On Apr 22, 2015 7:56 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

  One done one to go

  Jaime Solorza



-- 
D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
broadband | telco | colo | community
PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284
360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Josh, the world is bigger than what you can see with your eyes ... 
(Grasshopper) :) 

I was asking for make = mfg of the media converter you are working with... 

and yes, contrary to popular belief you may have Media converters come in many 
flavors... copper to fiber, fiber to fiber , TDM to fiber (e.g. DS3 to 
fiber) etc etc etc.. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:31:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

> One fiber port and one copper port. Is that not the very definition of media
> converter? What are the other options?

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

> > What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label
> > implied meaning to be what one thinks it is )
> 

> > (e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media converters
> > about the options on their product
> > https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )
> 

> > Faisal Imtiaz
> 
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> > Miami, FL 33155
> 
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 

> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 

> > > From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
> > 
> 
> > > To: af@afmug.com
> > 
> 
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM
> > 
> 
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
> > 
> 

> > > Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through. That being
> > > the
> > > case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state of
> > > anything.
> > 
> 

> > > I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link
> > > state.
> > 
> 

> > > Josh Luthman
> > 
> 
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > 
> 
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 
> 
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > 
> 
> > > Suite 1337
> > 
> 
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > 
> 

> > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > 
> 

> > > > Dennis, I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media
> > > > converter' with something else 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media
> > > > converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a
> > > > feature
> > > > that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if the
> > > > physical link is down on one side, it will bring the link down on the
> > > > other
> > > > side too ).
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > Regards
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Miami, FL 33155
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net >
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > To: af@afmug.com
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25:24 PM
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
> > > > > pass-through
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > That would be media status. Store and forward vs pass thought allows
> > > > > it
> > > > > to
> > > > > change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice
> > > > > versa
> > > > > by storing packets and then forwarding as needed. If you have gigE
> > > > > fiber
> > > > > and
> > > > > gig Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > To: af@afmug.com
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
> > > > > pass-through
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass
> > > > > the
> > > > > Ethernet status through the fiber. In other words, if the DIP switch
> > > > > is
> > > > > in
> > > > > one setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then
> > > > > the
> > > > > fiber
> > > > > stays up. In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also
> > > > > result
> > > > > in the fiber link itself going down. Sometimes it’s the other way
> > > > > around
> > > > > where when there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to
> > > > > drop
> > > > > the
> > 

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Josh Luthman]

I just left the office but I'm 99% sure it's this one:

Aaxeon/Antaria
http://www.antaira.com/products/media-converters/unmanaged-converters/10-100-1000tx-to-1000fx/fcu-3002a-sc-s1?pid=2211

I guess fiber to fiber might make sense (not sure why unless you're making
it like a switch to extend distance) but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015
isn't it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Josh, the world is bigger than what you can see with your eyes ...
> (Grasshopper) :)
>
> I was asking for make = mfg of the media converter you are working with...
>
> and yes, contrary to popular belief you may have Media converters come in
> many flavors... copper to fiber, fiber to fiber , TDM to fiber (e.g. DS3 to
> fiber) etc etc etc..
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:31:06 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
> One fiber port and one copper port.  Is that not the very definition of
> media converter?  What are the other options?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label
>> implied meaning to be what one thinks it is  )
>>
>> (e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media
>> converters about the options on their product
>> https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>> pass-through
>>
>> Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through.  That being
>> the case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state of
>> anything.
>>
>> I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link
>> state.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis,   I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media
>>> converter' with something else 
>>>
>>> Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media
>>> converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature
>>>
>>> Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a
>>> feature that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if
>>> the physical link is down on one side, it will bring the link down on the
>>> other side too ).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25:24 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>>> pass-through
>>>
>>> That would be media status.  Store and forward vs pass thought allows it
>>> to change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice
>>> versa by storing packets and then forwarding as needed.  If you have gigE
>>> fiber and gig Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>>> pass-through
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass
>>> the Ethernet status through the fiber.  In other words, if the DIP switch
>>> is in one setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then
>>> the fiber stays up.  In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will
>>> also result in the fiber link itself going down.  Sometimes it’s the other
>>> way around where when there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not
>>> to drop the Ethernet port (this way is more common come to think of it).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Mike Hammett]

Make and model? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:31:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through 


One fiber port and one copper port. Is that not the very definition of media 
converter? What are the other options? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 





What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label 
implied meaning to be what one thinks it is ) 


(e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media converters 
about the options on their product 
https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml ) 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 


Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through 



Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through. That being the 
case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state of 
anything. 


I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link state. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 







Dennis, I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media 
converter' with something else  


Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media 
converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature 


Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a feature 
that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if the physical 
link is down on one side, it will bring the link down on the other side too ). 


Regards 




Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 


Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through 




That would be media status. Store and forward vs pass thought allows it to 
change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice versa by 
storing packets and then forwarding as needed. If you have gigE fiber and gig 
Ethernet, pass though should be preferred. 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart 
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through 

Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass the 
Ethernet status through the fiber. In other words, if the DIP switch is in one 
setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then the fiber stays 
up. In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will also result in the 
fiber link itself going down. Sometimes it’s the other way around where when 
there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not to drop the Ethernet port 
(this way is more common come to think of it). 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through 


I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through. I know most switches 
are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge on this. What 
are the differences between them? 



Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Josh Luthman]

I'm waiting to replace switches to gig.  I expect my limit will be my
backhauls, not the media converter.  I hope...

What the hell is a phone call??  Is that the phone feature on my handheld
smart service?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 23, 2015 5:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Look closer to the specs:-
>
>
>- Store-and-Forward Switching Mechanism
>
> and the dip switch is labeled "Transmission mode"..
>
> This media converter has a 'switch chip' and as such can do actual store
> and forward of frames (must have some sort of hardware memory buffer in it).
>
>
> So, Dennis's explanation  would be correct on what this feature is..
>
> BTW, FYI, not all media converters are built the same, we have seen some
> media converters which will struggle in passing over a certain amount of
> packets once you put this one in service, you might want to check that
> you are able to get full thru-put on it.
>
> 
> but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't it?
>
> Do you think that all of the Telcom (Phone Calls processing) Network in
> the US is converted over to IP ?
>
> Yes, these are old standards, but still in heavy use, predominantly by
> Telephony networks
>
> ---
>
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:05:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
> I just left the office but I'm 99% sure it's this one:
>
> Aaxeon/Antaria
>
> http://www.antaira.com/products/media-converters/unmanaged-converters/10-100-1000tx-to-1000fx/fcu-3002a-sc-s1?pid=2211
>
> I guess fiber to fiber might make sense (not sure why unless you're making
> it like a switch to extend distance) but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015
> isn't it?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Josh, the world is bigger than what you can see with your eyes ...
>> (Grasshopper) :)
>>
>> I was asking for make = mfg of the media converter you are working with...
>>
>> and yes, contrary to popular belief you may have Media converters come in
>> many flavors... copper to fiber, fiber to fiber , TDM to fiber (e.g. DS3 to
>> fiber) etc etc etc..
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:31:06 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>> pass-through
>>
>> One fiber port and one copper port.  Is that not the very definition of
>> media converter?  What are the other options?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label
>>> implied meaning to be what one thinks it is  )
>>>
>>> (e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media
>>> converters about the options on their product
>>> https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>>> pass-through
>>>
>>> Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through.  That
>>> being the case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link
>>> state of anything.
>>>
>>> I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link
>>> state.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz >> > wrote:
>>>
 Dennis,   I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media
 converter' with something else 

 Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media
 converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature

 Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a
 feature that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if
 the physical link is down on one side, it will 

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Josh Luthman]

Get the link I sent a bit ago?  It's Aaxeon.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 23, 2015 5:21 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Make and model?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:31:06 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>
> One fiber port and one copper port.  Is that not the very definition of
> media converter?  What are the other options?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label
>> implied meaning to be what one thinks it is  )
>>
>> (e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media
>> converters about the options on their product
>> https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>> pass-through
>>
>> Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through.  That being
>> the case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state of
>> anything.
>>
>> I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link
>> state.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis,   I think you are mistaking the 'pass thru' feature on a 'media
>>> converter' with something else 
>>>
>>> Josh, it pays to look up the actual vendor documentation for that media
>>> converter to determine exactly what is the 'pass-thru' feature
>>>
>>> Most of the media converters I have seen, the pass-thru feature is a
>>> feature that passes thru link down condition to the other side... (i.e. if
>>> the physical link is down on one side, it will bring the link down on the
>>> other side too ).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:25:24 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>>> pass-through
>>>
>>> That would be media status.  Store and forward vs pass thought allows it
>>> to change data speeds. i..e a gige fiber and a 100 meg Ethernet or vice
>>> versa by storing packets and then forwarding as needed.  If you have gigE
>>> fiber and gig Ethernet, pass though should be preferred.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:15 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
>>> pass-through
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Usually on media converters, it has to do with whether or not to pass
>>> the Ethernet status through the fiber.  In other words, if the DIP switch
>>> is in one setting and there is a loss of connection on the Ethernet then
>>> the fiber stays up.  In other DIP setting, an Ethernet status of down will
>>> also result in the fiber link itself going down.  Sometimes it’s the other
>>> way around where when there is a fiber outage, it determines whether or not
>>> to drop the Ethernet port (this way is more common come to think of it).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:44 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a dip switch that's defaulted to pass-through.  I know most
>>> switches are store and forward and that's about the extent of my knowledge
>>> on this.  What are the differences between them?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Googling pass through transmission mode is all about HIV and Ebola?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Ken Hohhof]

This sounds like the two basic types of packet switching which are usually 
called store-and-forward, and cut-through.  Store-and-forward buffers the whole 
packet, and forwards it to the destination MAC if the FCS matches, and drops 
the packet if an error occurs.  Cut-through reduces latency by waiting only 
until the destination MAC is received and then starting to forward bits as they 
are received, but the result can be forwarding a corrupted packet.  Then 
there’s a hub which is just a repeater and doesn’t even need to look at the 
destination MAC to know where to send the data.

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

Look closer to the specs:-

  a.. Store-and-Forward Switching Mechanism
and the dip switch is labeled "Transmission mode"..

This media converter has a 'switch chip' and as such can do actual store and 
forward of frames (must have some sort of hardware memory buffer in it).


So, Dennis's explanation  would be correct on what this feature is..

BTW, FYI, not all media converters are built the same, we have seen some media 
converters which will struggle in passing over a certain amount of packets 
once you put this one in service, you might want to check that you are able to 
get full thru-put on it.


but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't it?


Do you think that all of the Telcom (Phone Calls processing) Network in the US 
is converted over to IP ? 

Yes, these are old standards, but still in heavy use, predominantly by 
Telephony networks 

---


:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232


Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:05:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through


  I just left the office but I'm 99% sure it's this one: 

  Aaxeon/Antaria
  
http://www.antaira.com/products/media-converters/unmanaged-converters/10-100-1000tx-to-1000fx/fcu-3002a-sc-s1?pid=2211


  I guess fiber to fiber might make sense (not sure why unless you're making it 
like a switch to extend distance) but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't 
it?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

Josh, the world is bigger than what you can see with your eyes ... 
(Grasshopper) :)

I was asking for make = mfg of the media converter you are working with...

and yes, contrary to popular belief you may have Media converters come in 
many flavors... copper to fiber, fiber to fiber , TDM to fiber (e.g. DS3 to 
fiber) etc etc etc..

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232


Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:31:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through


  One fiber port and one copper port.  Is that not the very definition of 
media converter?  What are the other options?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / 
label implied meaning to be what one thinks it is  )

(e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media 
converters about the options on their product  
https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232


Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or 
pass-through


  Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through.  That 
being the case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state 
of anything. 

  I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following 
link state.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Paul Stewart]

I gotta admit … 24 years in the ISP industry and never heard of a media 
converter that had a switching mechanism – would think it would be potentially 
called a “switch” then ;)

 

Transition Networks is the media converter I have seen most often deployed, 
some Allied Telesyn, and some McData (owned by Brocade now).  None of the 
models of those manufacturers that I dealt with had that capability.  The DIP 
switch on them was simply related to loss of light or loss of Ethernet link  
etc… 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

Look closer to the specs:-

 

*Store-and-Forward Switching Mechanism

and the dip switch is labeled "Transmission mode"..

 

This media converter has a 'switch chip' and as such can do actual store and 
forward of frames (must have some sort of hardware memory buffer in it).

 

 

So, Dennis's explanation  would be correct on what this feature is..

 

BTW, FYI, not all media converters are built the same, we have seen some media 
converters which will struggle in passing over a certain amount of packets 
once you put this one in service, you might want to check that you are able to 
get full thru-put on it.

 



but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't it?


 

Do you think that all of the Telcom (Phone Calls processing) Network in the US 
is converted over to IP ? 

 

Yes, these are old standards, but still in heavy use, predominantly by 
Telephony networks 

 

---

 

 

:)

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
  

 

  _  

From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:05:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

I just left the office but I'm 99% sure it's this one:

 

Aaxeon/Antaria

http://www.antaira.com/products/media-converters/unmanaged-converters/10-100-1000tx-to-1000fx/fcu-3002a-sc-s1?pid=2211

 

I guess fiber to fiber might make sense (not sure why unless you're making it 
like a switch to extend distance) but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't 
it?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:



Josh, the world is bigger than what you can see with your eyes ... 
(Grasshopper) :)

 

I was asking for make = mfg of the media converter you are working with...

 

and yes, contrary to popular belief you may have Media converters come in many 
flavors... copper to fiber, fiber to fiber , TDM to fiber (e.g. DS3 to 
fiber) etc etc etc..

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net   

 


  _  


From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:31:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

One fiber port and one copper port.  Is that not the very definition of media 
converter?  What are the other options?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:



What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label 
implied meaning to be what one thinks it is  )

 

(e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media converters 
about the options on their product  
https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net   

 


  _  


From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:21:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

Well the dip switch is for store and forward OR pass through.  That being the 
case, it doesn't sound like pass through would follow the link state of 
anything.

 

I don't remember seeing an option on the dip switches for following link state.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

Dennis,   I think you are mistakin

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Faisal Imtiaz]

My moto, for having been in the Tech industry for 3 decades 

Never, Never, Never, ASSUME anything, and ..something in particular 
happening, regardless of how low the probability of it happening, will 
happen... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Paul Stewart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:21:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

> I gotta admit … 24 years in the ISP industry and never heard of a media
> converter that had a switching mechanism – would think it would be
> potentially called a “switch” then ;)

> Transition Networks is the media converter I have seen most often deployed,
> some Allied Telesyn, and some McData (owned by Brocade now). None of the
> models of those manufacturers that I dealt with had that capability. The DIP
> switch on them was simply related to loss of light or loss of Ethernet link
> etc…

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:18 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

> Look closer to the specs:-

> · Store-and-Forward Switching Mechanism

> and the dip switch is labeled "Transmission mode"..

> This media converter has a 'switch chip' and as such can do actual store and
> forward of frames (must have some sort of hardware memory buffer in it).

> So, Dennis's explanation would be correct on what this feature is..

> BTW, FYI, not all media converters are built the same, we have seen some
> media converters which will struggle in passing over a certain amount of
> packets once you put this one in service, you might want to check that
> you are able to get full thru-put on it.

> 

> but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't it?

> Do you think that all of the Telcom (Phone Calls processing) Network in the
> US is converted over to IP ?

> Yes, these are old standards, but still in heavy use, predominantly by
> Telephony networks

> ---

> :)

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> - Original Message -

> > From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
> 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:05:12 PM
> 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
> 

> > I just left the office but I'm 99% sure it's this one:
> 

> > Aaxeon/Antaria
> 

> > http://www.antaira.com/products/media-converters/unmanaged-converters/10-100-1000tx-to-1000fx/fcu-3002a-sc-s1?pid=2211
> 

> > I guess fiber to fiber might make sense (not sure why unless you're making
> > it
> > like a switch to extend distance) but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015
> > isn't it?
> 

> > Josh Luthman
> 
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> 
> > Suite 1337
> 
> > Troy, OH 45373
> 

> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> > wrote:
> 

> > > Josh, the world is bigger than what you can see with your eyes ...
> > > (Grasshopper) :)
> > 
> 

> > > I was asking for make = mfg of the media converter you are working
> > > with...
> > 
> 

> > > and yes, contrary to popular belief you may have Media converters come in
> > > many flavors... copper to fiber, fiber to fiber , TDM to fiber (e.g. DS3
> > > to
> > > fiber) etc etc etc..
> > 
> 

> > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > 
> 
> > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 
> 
> > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > 
> 
> > > Miami, FL 33155
> > 
> 
> > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > 
> 

> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > 
> 

> > > > From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > To: af@afmug.com
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:31:06 PM
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or
> > > > pass-through
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > One fiber port and one copper port. Is that not the very definition of
> > > > media
> > > > converter? What are the other options?
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
> > > > fai...@snappytelecom.net
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology /
> > > > > label
> > > > > implied meaning to be what one thinks it is )
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > (e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of medi

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Ken Hohhof]

Just picking the first article from a Google search, this one convinces me a 
transparent media converter rather than a 2-port switch is what I’d want:
http://www.ccontrols.com/pdf/Extv7n6.pdf

See the part near the end (“why not use a switch”) about sensing far end link 
down.


From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

I gotta admit … 24 years in the ISP industry and never heard of a media 
converter that had a switching mechanism – would think it would be potentially 
called a “switch” then ;)

 

Transition Networks is the media converter I have seen most often deployed, 
some Allied Telesyn, and some McData (owned by Brocade now).  None of the 
models of those manufacturers that I dealt with had that capability.  The DIP 
switch on them was simply related to loss of light or loss of Ethernet link  
etc… 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

Look closer to the specs:-

 

·Store-and-Forward Switching Mechanism

and the dip switch is labeled "Transmission mode"..

 

This media converter has a 'switch chip' and as such can do actual store and 
forward of frames (must have some sort of hardware memory buffer in it).

 

 

So, Dennis's explanation  would be correct on what this feature is..

 

BTW, FYI, not all media converters are built the same, we have seen some media 
converters which will struggle in passing over a certain amount of packets 
once you put this one in service, you might want to check that you are able to 
get full thru-put on it.

 



but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't it?


 

Do you think that all of the Telcom (Phone Calls processing) Network in the US 
is converted over to IP ? 

 

Yes, these are old standards, but still in heavy use, predominantly by 
Telephony networks 

 

---

 

 

:)

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

 




  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:05:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

   

  I just left the office but I'm 99% sure it's this one:

   

  Aaxeon/Antaria

  
http://www.antaira.com/products/media-converters/unmanaged-converters/10-100-1000tx-to-1000fx/fcu-3002a-sc-s1?pid=2211

   

  I guess fiber to fiber might make sense (not sure why unless you're making it 
like a switch to extend distance) but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't 
it?


   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:



Josh, the world is bigger than what you can see with your eyes ... 
(Grasshopper) :)

 

I was asking for make = mfg of the media converter you are working with...

 

and yes, contrary to popular belief you may have Media converters come in 
many flavors... copper to fiber, fiber to fiber , TDM to fiber (e.g. DS3 to 
fiber) etc etc etc..

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

 




  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:31:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

   

  One fiber port and one copper port.  Is that not the very definition of 
media converter?  What are the other options?




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:



What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / 
label implied meaning to be what one thinks it is  )

 

(e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media 
converters about the options on their product  
https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

 




  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Jeremy]

These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.  34dbi
dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all chains),
40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64.  Seeing
260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.

The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent
forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red,
one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely
impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems outside.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> shipped release
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Definitely set it in the DFS band!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

> Ken,
> This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this
> link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are
> working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
>
> Josh,
> No I did not set antenna gain.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in
>> 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let 
>> you
>> "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc.
>>
>>
>> On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60.
>>> I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's
 limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference,
 since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be
 showing 38 on the interface.

 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Did you set 23dbi gain?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
>> First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on
>> both ends.
>>
>> Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect.
>> Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same 
>> tower.
>> Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself because it 
>> would
>> pass the initial bootup listen period and once it started 
>> transmitting
>> would then get the detections. So don't know what that was about.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>

>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Ben Moore]

Thanks for the great feedback!

More units will be arriving next week.

Regards,
Ben

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
>  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all
> chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64.
> Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>
> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent
> forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red,
> one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely
> impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems outside.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shipped release
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Josh,

 I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
 difference.


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>> This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this
>> link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are
>> working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
>>
>> Josh,
>> No I did not set antenna gain.
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in
>>> 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let 
>>> you
>>> "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

 The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60.
 I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
 wrote:

> looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying
> it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any
> difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... 
> it'll
> just be showing 38 on the interface.
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you set 23dbi gain?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels
>>> on both ends.
>>>
>>> Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect.
>>> Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same 
>>> tower.
>>> Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself because it 
>>> would
>>> pass the initial bootup listen period and once it started 
>>> transmitting
>>> would then get the detections. So don't know what that was about.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Josh Reynolds]

Are you on 3.x firmware?

On April 23, 2015 2:52:11 PM AKDT, Jeremy  wrote:
>These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant. 
>34dbi
>dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all
>chains),
>40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64. 
>Seeing
>260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>
>The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent
>forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking
>red,
>one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely
>impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock
>
>On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman
>
>wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems
>outside.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shipped release
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Josh,

 I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
>difference.


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>> This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this
>> link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these
>are
>> working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
>>
>> Josh,
>> No I did not set antenna gain.
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar
>options in
>>> 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't
>really let you
>>> "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power,
>etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

 The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to
>-60.
 I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
 wrote:

> looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying
>it's
> limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any
>difference,
> since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll
>just be
> showing 38 on the interface.
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you set 23dbi gain?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC
>panels on
>>> both ends.
>>>
>>> Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar
>detect.
>>> Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the
>same tower.
>>> Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself
>because it would
>>> pass the initial bootup listen period and once it started
>transmitting
>>> would then get the detections. So don't know what that was
>about.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Paul Stewart]

LOL that’s so true!

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

My moto, for having been in the Tech industry for 3 decades 

 

Never, Never, Never, ASSUME anything, and ..something in particular 
happening, regardless of how low the probability of it happening, will happen...

 

:)

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
  

 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:21:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

I gotta admit … 24 years in the ISP industry and never heard of a media 
converter that had a switching mechanism – would think it would be potentially 
called a “switch” then ;)

 

Transition Networks is the media converter I have seen most often deployed, 
some Allied Telesyn, and some McData (owned by Brocade now).  None of the 
models of those manufacturers that I dealt with had that capability.  The DIP 
switch on them was simply related to loss of light or loss of Ethernet link  
etc… 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

Look closer to the specs:-

 

*Store-and-Forward Switching Mechanism

and the dip switch is labeled "Transmission mode"..

 

This media converter has a 'switch chip' and as such can do actual store and 
forward of frames (must have some sort of hardware memory buffer in it).

 

 

So, Dennis's explanation  would be correct on what this feature is..

 

BTW, FYI, not all media converters are built the same, we have seen some media 
converters which will struggle in passing over a certain amount of packets 
once you put this one in service, you might want to check that you are able to 
get full thru-put on it.

 



but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't it?


 

Do you think that all of the Telcom (Phone Calls processing) Network in the US 
is converted over to IP ? 

 

Yes, these are old standards, but still in heavy use, predominantly by 
Telephony networks 

 

---

 

 

:)

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
  

 


  _  


From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:05:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

I just left the office but I'm 99% sure it's this one:

 

Aaxeon/Antaria

http://www.antaira.com/products/media-converters/unmanaged-converters/10-100-1000tx-to-1000fx/fcu-3002a-sc-s1?pid=2211

 

I guess fiber to fiber might make sense (not sure why unless you're making it 
like a switch to extend distance) but TDM and DS3 is kinda dead in 2015 isn't 
it?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:



 

Josh, the world is bigger than what you can see with your eyes ... 
(Grasshopper) :)

 

I was asking for make = mfg of the media converter you are working with...

 

and yes, contrary to popular belief you may have Media converters come in many 
flavors... copper to fiber, fiber to fiber , TDM to fiber (e.g. DS3 to 
fiber) etc etc etc..

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net   

 


  _  


From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:31:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

 

One fiber port and one copper port.  Is that not the very definition of media 
converter?  What are the other options?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:



 

What make is the Media converter ? (don't assume the terminology / label 
implied meaning to be what one thinks it is  )

 

(e.g. here is explanation of the features from one mfg of media converters 
about the options on their product  
https://www.perle.com/supportfiles/link-passthrough.shtml )

 

Faisa

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Jon Langeler]

Is multipoint in the future? white space?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the great feedback!
> 
> More units will be arriving next week.
> 
> Regards,
> Ben
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.  34dbi 
>> dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all chains), 
>> 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64.  Seeing 
>> 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.  
>> 
>> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent 
>> forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red, 
>> one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely 
>> impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock
>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman  
>>> wrote:
>>> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems outside.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
 wrote:
 shipped release
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110
 
> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>> wrote:
>> Josh,
>> 
>> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference.
>> 
>> 
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:
 Ken,
 This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this 
 link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are 
 working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
 
 Josh,
 No I did not set antenna gain.
 
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110
 
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  
> wrote:
 
> There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 
> 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really 
> let you "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx 
> power, etc.
> 
> 
>> On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman 
>>  wrote:
>> The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60.  
>> I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard"  
>>> wrote:
>>> looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's 
>>> limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any 
>>> difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either 
>>> way... it'll just be showing 38 on the interface.
>>> 
 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
  wrote:
>>> 
 Did you set 23dbi gain?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
> On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  
> wrote:
> First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on 
> both ends.
> 
> Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect. 
> Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same 
> tower. Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself 
> because it would pass the initial bootup listen period and once 
> it started transmitting would then ge

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Ben Moore]

No plans at this stage for white space.  As for anything additional coming
from AF team...They are always working on something (or many things)...

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Is multipoint in the future? white space?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great feedback!
>
> More units will be arriving next week.
>
> Regards,
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
>>  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all
>> chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64.
>> Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>>
>> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent
>> forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red,
>> one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely
>> impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems outside.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 shipped release

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
> difference.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>> This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this
>>> link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are
>>> working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
>>>
>>> Josh,
>>> No I did not set antenna gain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options
 in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really 
 let
 you "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, 
 etc.


 On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to
> -60.  I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
> wrote:
>
>> looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying
>> it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any
>> difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... 
>> it'll
>> just be showing 38 on the interface.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you set 23dbi gain?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels
 on both ends.

 Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detec

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Jeremy]

There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing yet.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Is multipoint in the future? white space?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great feedback!
>
> More units will be arriving next week.
>
> Regards,
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
>>  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all
>> chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64.
>> Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>>
>> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent
>> forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red,
>> one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely
>> impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems outside.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 shipped release

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
> difference.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>> This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this
>>> link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are
>>> working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
>>>
>>> Josh,
>>> No I did not set antenna gain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options
 in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really 
 let
 you "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, 
 etc.


 On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to
> -60.  I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
> wrote:
>
>> looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying
>> it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any
>> difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... 
>> it'll
>> just be showing 38 on the interface.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you set 23dbi gain?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels
 on both ends.

 Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect.
 Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Josh Luthman]

Lights are right on for me.  Blinking red would be 14db off I think.
Blinking blue is 1 off.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing yet.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> Is multipoint in the future? white space?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the great feedback!
>>
>> More units will be arriving next week.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
>>>  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all
>>> chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64.
>>> Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>>>
>>> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent
>>> forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red,
>>> one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely
>>> impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems
 outside.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

> shipped release
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> tel. 419-562-6405
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
>> difference.
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ken,
 This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this
 link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are
 working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.

 Josh,
 No I did not set antenna gain.


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds >>> > wrote:

> There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options
> in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't 
> really let
> you "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, 
> etc.
>
>
> On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to
>> -60.  I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying
>>> it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any
>>> difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either 
>>> way... it'll
>>> just be showing 38 on the interface.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did you set 23dbi gain?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 9

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Jeremy]

14db off can't be right at -57.  Lights are inconsequential for me.
Anyway, UBNT support has contacted me about possibilities for improving the
link.  We're looking at it now (not that it needs much improvement).  How
is that for customer support?  They reached out to me.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Lights are right on for me.  Blinking red would be 14db off I think.
> Blinking blue is 1 off.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is multipoint in the future? white space?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the great feedback!
>>>
>>> More units will be arriving next week.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
 These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all
 chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64.
 Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.

 The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent
 forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red,
 one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely
 impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems
> outside.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> shipped release
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
>>> difference.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Definitely set it in the DFS band!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
 wrote:

> Ken,
> This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this
> link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are
> working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
>
> Josh,
> No I did not set antenna gain.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds <
> j...@spitwspots.com> wrote:
>
>> There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options
>> in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't 
>> really let
>> you "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, 
>> etc.
>>
>>
>> On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to
>>> -60.  I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 looks to me like the ant

[AFMUG] Packet flux question

[Craig House]

So we accidentally put sync injectors on to a din rail today that were for the 
320/430 radios.  Oops   
Both of the injectors were powered by a 24 V 10 amp power supply
All of the radios that were plugged into those injectors no longer appear to 
boot up which wouldn't surprise me if there had been a 56 V power supply or 48 
V power supply powering them.  However since they were powered by a 24 V power 
supply how could that have damaged the radios?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

The 320 and 430 have that crazy +/-/+/- PoE pinout scheme. So that's 
what the 320/430 SyncInjector puts out. If you had PMP100 or 450 radios 
plugged into that, I would think the overcurrent protection in the 
injector would've kicked in, but who knows.


If you try to power them up with a regular AC/DC Canopy PoE, does the 
power LED light up on them? I'm betting not and they'll have to be repaired.


On 4/23/2015 8:03 PM, Craig House wrote:

So we accidentally put sync injectors on to a din rail today that were for the 
320/430 radios.  Oops
Both of the injectors were powered by a 24 V 10 amp power supply
All of the radios that were plugged into those injectors no longer appear to 
boot up which wouldn't surprise me if there had been a 56 V power supply or 48 
V power supply powering them.  However since they were powered by a 24 V power 
supply how could that have damaged the radios?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Josh Luthman]

Do you have the gain set right?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 23, 2015 9:01 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> 14db off can't be right at -57.  Lights are inconsequential for me.
> Anyway, UBNT support has contacted me about possibilities for improving the
> link.  We're looking at it now (not that it needs much improvement).  How
> is that for customer support?  They reached out to me.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Lights are right on for me.  Blinking red would be 14db off I think.
>> Blinking blue is 1 off.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>>> There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing yet.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler >> > wrote:
>>>
 Is multipoint in the future? white space?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

 Thanks for the great feedback!

 More units will be arriving next week.

 Regards,
 Ben

 On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
>  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all
> chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64.
> Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>
> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I spent
> forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red,
> one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am extremely
> impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in stock
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems
>> outside.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shipped release
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> li...@wavelinc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Josh,

 I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
 difference.


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>> This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this
>> link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are
>> working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
>>
>> Josh,
>> No I did not set antenna gain.
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds <
>> j...@spitwspots.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar
>>> options in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF 
>>> won't
>>> really let you "cheat" on EIRP? Has to do with distance 
>>> calculations, tx
>>> power, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

 The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mi

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Jeremy]

I have the db of the antennas entered and it was set to 54 db but it auto
sets the gain based on antenna size.  Everything is set correctly, unless
there is some 'trick' to it.  I was under the impression that these things
set their own gain based on antenna size and EIRP.  The EIRP shows (limited)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Do you have the gain set right?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 23, 2015 9:01 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> 14db off can't be right at -57.  Lights are inconsequential for me.
>> Anyway, UBNT support has contacted me about possibilities for improving the
>> link.  We're looking at it now (not that it needs much improvement).  How
>> is that for customer support?  They reached out to me.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lights are right on for me.  Blinking red would be 14db off I think.
>>> Blinking blue is 1 off.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>>
 There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing yet.

 On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler <
 jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:

> Is multipoint in the future? white space?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great feedback!
>
> More units will be arriving next week.
>
> Regards,
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy 
> wrote:
>
>> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
>>  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all
>> chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and 
>> QAM64.
>> Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>>
>> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I
>> spent forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still 
>> blinking
>> red, one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am
>> extremely impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in
>> stock
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems
>>> outside.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> > wrote:
>>>
 shipped release

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

 Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 li...@wavelinc.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
> difference.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>> This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on
>>> this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But 
>>> these are
>>> working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
>>>
>>> Josh,
>>> No I did not set antenna gain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Jeremy]

I do not have any cable loss set...

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I have the db of the antennas entered and it was set to 54 db but it auto
> sets the gain based on antenna size.  Everything is set correctly, unless
> there is some 'trick' to it.  I was under the impression that these things
> set their own gain based on antenna size and EIRP.  The EIRP shows (limited)
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Do you have the gain set right?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 23, 2015 9:01 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>>> 14db off can't be right at -57.  Lights are inconsequential for me.
>>> Anyway, UBNT support has contacted me about possibilities for improving the
>>> link.  We're looking at it now (not that it needs much improvement).  How
>>> is that for customer support?  They reached out to me.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Lights are right on for me.  Blinking red would be 14db off I think.
 Blinking blue is 1 off.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing yet.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler <
> jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:
>
>> Is multipoint in the future? white space?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the great feedback!
>>
>> More units will be arriving next week.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
>>>  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 
>>> (all
>>> chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and 
>>> QAM64.
>>> Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>>>
>>> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I
>>> spent forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still 
>>> blinking
>>> red, one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am
>>> extremely impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in
>>> stock
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems
 outside.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 li...@wavelinc.com> wrote:

> shipped release
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> tel. 419-562-6405
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> li...@wavelinc.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
>> difference.
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ken,
 This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on
 this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But 
 these are
 working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.

 Josh,
 No I did not set antenna gain.

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Jeremy]

I have another AF5X installed also.  The signal levels on that one were
horrible.  I got looking at the path and realized that I actually have a
LOS issue on that link that has cropped up, and it is shooting through the
treetops.  It is still doing 179Mbps but has some definite issues.  I need
to move the backhaul on that site halfway up the tower to resolve that LOS
issue.  For now it is still kicking the crap out of the AC link I had in
there before.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I do not have any cable loss set...
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I have the db of the antennas entered and it was set to 54 db but it auto
>> sets the gain based on antenna size.  Everything is set correctly, unless
>> there is some 'trick' to it.  I was under the impression that these things
>> set their own gain based on antenna size and EIRP.  The EIRP shows (limited)
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have the gain set right?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 23, 2015 9:01 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>>
 14db off can't be right at -57.  Lights are inconsequential for me.
 Anyway, UBNT support has contacted me about possibilities for improving the
 link.  We're looking at it now (not that it needs much improvement).  How
 is that for customer support?  They reached out to me.

 On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Lights are right on for me.  Blinking red would be 14db off I think.
> Blinking blue is 1 off.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing
>> yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler <
>> jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Is multipoint in the future? white space?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the great feedback!
>>>
>>> More units will be arriving next week.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual
 slant.  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, 
 RX -57
 (all chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 
 and
 QAM64.  Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.

 The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I
 spent forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still 
 blinking
 red, one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am
 extremely impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in
 stock

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems
> outside.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> li...@wavelinc.com> wrote:
>
>> shipped release
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> li...@wavelinc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
>>> difference.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Jaime Solorza]

I am not. . Y que vato?

Jaime Solorza
On Apr 23, 2015 9:54 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Are you not in WISPA???
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>
>>
>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Josh Luthman]

Why not???

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 23, 2015 9:31 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I am not. . Y que vato?
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Apr 23, 2015 9:54 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Are you not in WISPA???
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know what they all did here yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question

[Craig House]

I haven't taken them off the tower yet.  Brand new tower.  AP's havent been 
even used yet.  I am taking them down tomorrow and checking them out.  But the 
LED on the power supply stays on. I did try that today.  I just dont know if 
they radios actually power up and have bad ethernet ports or if they are 
completely dead.  Either way its a 200' climb to replace radios that have never 
even been in use and likely never will be.  Oh well I guess it is supposed to 
be a nice day.  I would rather be at 200' than anywhere else anyway..

Craig 

- Original Message -
From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question

The 320 and 430 have that crazy +/-/+/- PoE pinout scheme. So that's 
what the 320/430 SyncInjector puts out. If you had PMP100 or 450 radios 
plugged into that, I would think the overcurrent protection in the 
injector would've kicked in, but who knows.

If you try to power them up with a regular AC/DC Canopy PoE, does the 
power LED light up on them? I'm betting not and they'll have to be repaired.

On 4/23/2015 8:03 PM, Craig House wrote:
> So we accidentally put sync injectors on to a din rail today that were for 
> the 320/430 radios.  Oops
> Both of the injectors were powered by a 24 V 10 amp power supply
> All of the radios that were plugged into those injectors no longer appear to 
> boot up which wouldn't surprise me if there had been a 56 V power supply or 
> 48 V power supply powering them.  However since they were powered by a 24 V 
> power supply how could that have damaged the radios?
>
> Sent from my iPhone

[AFMUG] GigE-APC Availabilty

[Jason McKemie]

Streakwave is telling me 3-4 weeks on availability, anyone know of
somewhere that has stock?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

I'm not the one to ask on this, but I'd think if you put the wrong power 
polarity (or the screwy twisted pair power) into a 100 or 450 radio, my 
thinking is the ethernet/PoE transformer in the radios might be damaged. 
But again, this probably should've been seen as a short or over-current 
by the SyncInjector and the port power should've tripped, possibly 
saving the radios. But you never know until you check them out.


Good luck. I hope it wasn't a total loss.

On 4/23/2015 8:56 PM, Craig House wrote:

I haven't taken them off the tower yet.  Brand new tower.  AP's havent been 
even used yet.  I am taking them down tomorrow and checking them out.  But the 
LED on the power supply stays on. I did try that today.  I just dont know if 
they radios actually power up and have bad ethernet ports or if they are 
completely dead.  Either way its a 200' climb to replace radios that have never 
even been in use and likely never will be.  Oh well I guess it is supposed to 
be a nice day.  I would rather be at 200' than anywhere else anyway..

Craig

- Original Message -
From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question

The 320 and 430 have that crazy +/-/+/- PoE pinout scheme. So that's
what the 320/430 SyncInjector puts out. If you had PMP100 or 450 radios
plugged into that, I would think the overcurrent protection in the
injector would've kicked in, but who knows.

If you try to power them up with a regular AC/DC Canopy PoE, does the
power LED light up on them? I'm betting not and they'll have to be repaired.

On 4/23/2015 8:03 PM, Craig House wrote:

So we accidentally put sync injectors on to a din rail today that were for the 
320/430 radios.  Oops
Both of the injectors were powered by a 24 V 10 amp power supply
All of the radios that were plugged into those injectors no longer appear to 
boot up which wouldn't surprise me if there had been a 56 V power supply or 48 
V power supply powering them.  However since they were powered by a 24 V power 
supply how could that have damaged the radios?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] GigE-APC Availabilty

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

Got some from WAV a couple weeks ago.

On 4/23/2015 9:10 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Streakwave is telling me 3-4 weeks on availability, anyone know of 
somewhere that has stock?


-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] GigE-APC Availabilty

[Jason McKemie]

I'll give them a shout tomorrow.  Thanks.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) <
geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Got some from WAV a couple weeks ago.
>
>
> On 4/23/2015 9:10 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Streakwave is telling me 3-4 weeks on availability, anyone know of
>> somewhere that has stock?
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Mike Hammett]

+8762 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:43:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile 
Broadband 


Why not??? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Apr 23, 2015 9:31 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I am not. . Y que vato? 
Jaime Solorza 
On Apr 23, 2015 9:54 AM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



Are you not in WISPA??? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Anyone know what they all did here yet? 

http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband
 

Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through

[Chris Fabien]

Seth, we just did a ftth install using a FTC11 last week. It worked fine.
We installed it indoors like a wall jack. Nice package.  Wish it had option
for a dc jack power instead of POE only.

Also, it does support gig on fiber and 100meg on copper so I suppose it is
really a switch. Important if you are using it for customer handoff point.
On Apr 23, 2015 2:30 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> Speaking of media converters, has anyone used the Mikrotik RBFTC11 yet? It
> appears dead simple: copper GigE (passive POE or 802.3af/at) to SFP with no
> config.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Mike Hammett]

One question rejected and one not answered means the not answered 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ben Moore"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:15:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! 


No plans at this stage for white space. As for anything additional coming from 
AF team...They are always working on something (or many things)... 



On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler < jon-ispli...@michwave.net > 
wrote: 




Is multipoint in the future? white space? 


Sent from my iPhone 

On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 





Thanks for the great feedback! 


More units will be arriving next week. 


Regards, 
Ben 


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



These things are amazing! I just finished converting to dual slant. 34dbi dish 
on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all chains), 40Mhz 
channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64. Seeing 260-275Mbps 
down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle. 


The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes. I spent forever 
fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red, one signal 
level. I wouldn't align with lights anyway. I am extremely impressed with 
these. Now if only anywhere still had them in stock 


On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



I'd suggest you try the upgrade. I haven't had any DFS problems outside. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < li...@wavelinc.com > wrote: 




shipped release 

Sent from my iPhone 


Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < li...@wavelinc.com > wrote: 




Josh, 


I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference. 







Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Definitely set it in the DFS band! 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < li...@wavelinc.com > wrote: 




Ken, 
This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm 
limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great so I 
don't think I'm going to mess with them. 


Josh, 
No I did not set antenna gain. 







Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: 





There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x 
firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you "cheat" 
on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc. 




On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 


The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've got it 
at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's limiting it 
to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference, since the TX power 
is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be showing 38 on the 
interface. 



On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





Did you set 23dbi gain? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < li...@wavelinc.com > wrote: 




First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both ends. 


Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect. Even though I 
was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same tower. Pretty sure the radar 
detection was coming from itself because it would pass the initial bootup 
listen period and once it started transmitting would then get the detections. 
So don't know what that was about. 






Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Mike Hammett]

I had a 25 mile Rocket M5 link with 34s on both sides that was -52? You're 
probably missing some deebees. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:01:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! 


14db off can't be right at -57. Lights are inconsequential for me. Anyway, UBNT 
support has contacted me about possibilities for improving the link. We're 
looking at it now (not that it needs much improvement). How is that for 
customer support? They reached out to me. 


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Lights are right on for me. Blinking red would be 14db off I think. Blinking 
blue is 1 off. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM, "Jeremy" < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing yet. 


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler < jon-ispli...@michwave.net > 
wrote: 






Is multipoint in the future? white space? 


Sent from my iPhone 

On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 





Thanks for the great feedback! 


More units will be arriving next week. 


Regards, 
Ben 


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



These things are amazing! I just finished converting to dual slant. 34dbi dish 
on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all chains), 40Mhz 
channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64. Seeing 260-275Mbps 
down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle. 


The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes. I spent forever 
fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red, one signal 
level. I wouldn't align with lights anyway. I am extremely impressed with 
these. Now if only anywhere still had them in stock 




On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



I'd suggest you try the upgrade. I haven't had any DFS problems outside. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < li...@wavelinc.com > wrote: 




shipped release 

Sent from my iPhone 


Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < li...@wavelinc.com > wrote: 




Josh, 


I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference. 







Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Definitely set it in the DFS band! 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < li...@wavelinc.com > wrote: 




Ken, 
This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm 
limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great so I 
don't think I'm going to mess with them. 


Josh, 
No I did not set antenna gain. 







Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: 





There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x 
firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you "cheat" 
on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc. 




On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 


The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've got it 
at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's limiting it 
to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference, since the TX power 
is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be showing 38 on the 
interface. 



On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





Did you set 23dbi gain? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Apr 18, 2015 8:40

Re: [AFMUG] TWC/Comcast-Charter merger

[Bill Prince]

Reported as fact tonight on PBS that this deal is toast.

bp


On 4/20/2015 12:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Saw this statement on NBR on Friday, 4/17:

Attorneys at the Department of Justice may be close to opposing
Comcast`s $45 billion proposed acquisition of Time Warner
(NYSE:TWX) Cable.
According to a report by Bloomberg, lawyers in the antitrust
division are nearing a recommendation to block the deal because of
concerns consumers could be harmed. The review could be submitted
as soon next week.

Shares of Time Warner (NYSE:TWX) Cable fell more than 5 percent.
And Comcast (NASDAQ:CMCSA) (NYSE:CCS), the parent company of CNBC
which produces this broadcast, dropped 2 percent.

Full transcript is at 
http://nbr.com/2015/04/17/transcript-nightly-business-report-april-17-2015/


Interesting because NBR is owned and operated by CNBC.


bp


On 4/9/2015 5:07 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:


Today

I had an construction rep from twc come out to my location to see 
where fiber was going to be laid out at and he was telling me that 
TWC/Comcast merger will happen later today and he was telling me also 
that TWC mid ohio/woh/neo will be going to charter. He also said 
about Indiana was that Comcast will put Indiana under spin co for 
first 3 months then after that charter will be taking over since 
charter is buying out bright house which uses twc network. He also 
said this merger will happen later this year and also he seemed happy 
that charter will be taking over TWC instead of Comcast.


�

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available for Mobile Broadband

[Jaime Solorza]

No big if..

Jaime Solorza
On Apr 23, 2015 8:44 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Why not???
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 23, 2015 9:31 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I am not. . Y que vato?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Apr 23, 2015 9:54 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you not in WISPA???
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone know what they all did here yet?


 http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband

>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

[Mathew Howard]

What channel are you running on? It will let you set it to full power, but
it should limit it(and display what it's actually doing on the main screen)
to whatever is appropriate for your antennas and the band you're using.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I have the db of the antennas entered and it was set to 54 db but it auto
> sets the gain based on antenna size.  Everything is set correctly, unless
> there is some 'trick' to it.  I was under the impression that these things
> set their own gain based on antenna size and EIRP.  The EIRP shows (limited)
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Do you have the gain set right?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 23, 2015 9:01 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>>> 14db off can't be right at -57.  Lights are inconsequential for me.
>>> Anyway, UBNT support has contacted me about possibilities for improving the
>>> link.  We're looking at it now (not that it needs much improvement).  How
>>> is that for customer support?  They reached out to me.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Lights are right on for me.  Blinking red would be 14db off I think.
 Blinking blue is 1 off.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> There have been murmurs of multipoint being a possibility, nothing yet.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler <
> jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:
>
>> Is multipoint in the future? white space?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the great feedback!
>>
>> More units will be arriving next week.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These things are amazing!  I just finished converting to dual slant.
>>>  34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 
>>> (all
>>> chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and 
>>> QAM64.
>>> Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle.
>>>
>>> The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes.  I
>>> spent forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still 
>>> blinking
>>> red, one signal level.  I wouldn't align with lights anyway.  I am
>>> extremely impressed with these.  Now if only anywhere still had them in
>>> stock
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'd suggest you try the upgrade.  I haven't had any DFS problems
 outside.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 li...@wavelinc.com> wrote:

> shipped release
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> tel. 419-562-6405
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> li...@wavelinc.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any
>> difference.
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely set it in the DFS band!
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ken,
 This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on
 this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available forMobile Broadband

[Ken Hohhof]

So The Google was not terribly helpful translating “que vato”, does it mean 
approximately this?



From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:33 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Makes 150 Megahertz of Spectrum Available forMobile 
Broadband

No big if..

Jaime Solorza

On Apr 23, 2015 8:44 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

  Why not???

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 23, 2015 9:31 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

I am not. . Y que vato? 

Jaime Solorza

On Apr 23, 2015 9:54 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

  Are you not in WISPA???


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Matt  
wrote:

Anyone know what they all did here yet?


http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-makes-150-megahertz-spectrum-available-mobile-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Due to the odd wiring the radios probably shorted out the overcurrent
protection in the injectors, turning off the portal and I'd not be
surprised if the radios are just fine.   Especially if they were never
plugged into an already on injector.
So we accidentally put sync injectors on to a din rail today that were for
the 320/430 radios.  Oops
Both of the injectors were powered by a 24 V 10 amp power supply
All of the radios that were plugged into those injectors no longer appear
to boot up which wouldn't surprise me if there had been a 56 V power supply
or 48 V power supply powering them.  However since they were powered by a
24 V power supply how could that have damaged the radios?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] TWC/Comcast-Charter merger

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I might suggest requesting the circuit under another nameperhaps an LLC 
owned by your WISP or something.
just a suggestion.that i know for a fact works lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Sovereen 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 11:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TWC/Comcast-Charter merger


  I have Charter fiber Internet and it’s been pretty good.


  Unfortunately, Charter just recently sent down instructions to reject orders 
for fiber—transport and/or Internet—from service providers—similar to the 
policy Comcast has.


  They aren’t canceling our existing services, but rejected an order I put in 
for fiber at a new site.


  With the ILEC and the Cable company being the only ones with fiber in the 
area, it makes it nearly impossible to have route diversity when everything has 
to come in on ILEC fiber infrastructure.


  Hopefully Charter will change their mind.


  Dave


On Apr 10, 2015, at 12:43 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:


Should I start looking for another fiber provider? Running on TW fiber 
right now






Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110


On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Comcast took over Insight's network around here a few years ago.  Speeds 
went down, prices went up, and service went to crap.  Speeds have gotten better 
in the past couple of years, the other two things have not.  I believe the 
situation around here was due to divestiture of stock and/or assets between 
Insight and Comcast - we just got the crap end of the stick here in Springfield.


  On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

Last official memo to employees I saw showed Ohio & legacy Insight 
network going to Greatland Connections.  If it is referring SpinCo, that 
document is at least as old as October 2014.


Regards,
Chuck


On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Erich Kaiser 
 wrote:

  That seems to be the consensus among all of the carriers I have 
talked with.  I have been told all contracts will be honored, from a network 
perspective I don't think much will change as most carriers now have 
cross-network relationships anyway.




  Erich Kaiser
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291




  On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:

“I meant to say happen later this year” dang auto correct bs LOL.



Tim



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 8:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] TWC/Comcast-Charter merger



Today

I had an construction rep from twc come out to my location to see 
where fiber was going to be laid out at and he was telling me that TWC/Comcast 
merger will happen later today and he was telling me also that TWC mid 
ohio/woh/neo will be going to charter. He also said about Indiana was that 
Comcast will put Indiana under spin co for first 3 months then after that 
charter will be taking over since charter is buying out bright house which uses 
twc network. He also said this merger will happen later this year and also he 
seemed happy that charter will be taking over TWC instead of Comcast.



Tim

[AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

[TJ Trout]

I have a dc load that I need to power using a switching ac to dc power
supply but I also occasionally need to power the load from batteries, I was
planning to put the load, power supply and battery clamps in parallel, is
that a acceptable solution ? Can I power the load from battery and back
feed DC into the supply without damaging it? Would there be a significant
drain back into the supply?

If this isn't ok, what's better solution? Diode ? SPDT switch ?

The load is 50V 100A so that makes diodes and switches a challenge to find.
..

Re: [AFMUG] Power supply back feed loss?

[Josh Reynolds]

Samlex AC/DC Inverter charger. Power the load off of the batteries that 
way, all the time.


Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 04/23/2015 09:34 PM, TJ Trout wrote:


I have a dc load that I need to power using a switching ac to dc power 
supply but I also occasionally need to power the load from batteries, 
I was planning to put the load, power supply and battery clamps in 
parallel, is that a acceptable solution ? Can I power the load from 
battery and back feed DC into the supply without damaging it? Would 
there be a significant drain back into the supply?


If this isn't ok, what's better solution? Diode ? SPDT switch ?

The load is 50V 100A so that makes diodes and switches a challenge to 
find. ..