Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm sure Chuck could point you toward someone else who is the real root of
all evil.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> you know, if chuck wasnt a jerk you guys would have that option but
> n old chuck turned his back on everybody to be mr cool guy with his own
> domain name.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>>> was OK.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

you know, if chuck wasnt a jerk you guys would have that option but
n old chuck turned his back on everybody to be mr cool guy with his own
domain name.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>> was OK.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>
>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy: Large VC data Q

[Daniel Gerlach]

only help for Like surveillance cameras

2016-01-13 4:26 GMT+01:00 George Skorup :
> I believe they added that feature to improve handling of heavy sustained UDP
> traffic. Like surveillance cameras. Could be helpful for other traffic types
> as well I'm sure.
>
>
> On 1/12/2016 7:53 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> I have enabled this on Canopy backhauls such as PTP230 for quite a
>> while.  I think it bundles packets more and I think it has improved
>> throughput on them in my opinion.  Has anyone tried it on PMP gear?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11 ax

[Josh Reynolds]

Plans for 5G? Idk, but AT&T does do their research in most cases.
On Jan 13, 2016 12:04 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I don't see how they're going to get the density / throughput that they
> expect, especially for a video play, using fixed wireless. The expectations
> of someone like a WISP / smaller ISP and AT&T are very different things.
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Except they are looking to move their set top boxes for uverse over to
>> this model.
>> On Jan 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Verizon did this around here years ago - didn't really fit the business
>>> model they are used to.  Even if they did roll out with a large scale fixed
>>> deployment they would still have fairly restrictive caps, which makes them
>>> easy to compete with.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 They are also moving in the direction of fixed wireless. AT&T is
 testing this now.
 On Jan 12, 2016 8:20 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

> when will we see 802.11  ax fixed wireless gear?
>
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/184685-what-is-802-11ax-wifi-and-do-you-really-need-a-10gbps-connection-to-your-laptop
>
> On 1/12/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> *nods* It'll affect you long before it affects most WISPs. It'll be
> urban, then suburban, probably not rural.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Peter Kranz" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:02:58 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?
>
> I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum
> will not be on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at this
> presentation from one of the cell phone chipset vendors:
> https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation
>
> Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used.
> Imagine the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these environments
> used the 5Ghz band, especially that supermarket scenario where the sector
> is mounted outside the building.
>
>
>
>
>
> This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the
> fun with these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on and
> then off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11 ax

[Jason McKemie]

I don't see how they're going to get the density / throughput that they
expect, especially for a video play, using fixed wireless. The expectations
of someone like a WISP / smaller ISP and AT&T are very different things.

On Tuesday, January 12, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Except they are looking to move their set top boxes for uverse over to
> this model.
> On Jan 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Verizon did this around here years ago - didn't really fit the business
>> model they are used to.  Even if they did roll out with a large scale fixed
>> deployment they would still have fairly restrictive caps, which makes them
>> easy to compete with.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Josh Reynolds > > wrote:
>>
>>> They are also moving in the direction of fixed wireless. AT&T is testing
>>> this now.
>>> On Jan 12, 2016 8:20 PM, "Keefe John" >> > wrote:
>>>
 when will we see 802.11  ax fixed wireless gear?


 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/184685-what-is-802-11ax-wifi-and-do-you-really-need-a-10gbps-connection-to-your-laptop

 On 1/12/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 *nods* It'll affect you long before it affects most WISPs. It'll be
 urban, then suburban, probably not rural.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 
 
 

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 
 
 
 --
 *From: *"Peter Kranz" 
 
 *To: *af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:02:58 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?

 I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum
 will not be on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at this
 presentation from one of the cell phone chipset vendors:
 https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation

 Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used.
 Imagine the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these environments
 used the 5Ghz band, especially that supermarket scenario where the sector
 is mounted outside the building.





 This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the
 fun with these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on and
 then off.






 *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com
 



>>

[AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?

[Christopher Gray]

I've been working as a one-man shop for a while. I've started looking for
part-time help. I've even talked to a satellite installer about doing some
contract work.

What sort of rates are typically paid to someone doing installations and
troubleshooting?

[I realize this varies by region, but I'd like to at least get an idea of
what I should be offering.]

Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11 ax

[Josh Reynolds]

Except they are looking to move their set top boxes for uverse over to this
model.
On Jan 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Verizon did this around here years ago - didn't really fit the business
> model they are used to.  Even if they did roll out with a large scale fixed
> deployment they would still have fairly restrictive caps, which makes them
> easy to compete with.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> They are also moving in the direction of fixed wireless. AT&T is testing
>> this now.
>> On Jan 12, 2016 8:20 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>>
>>> when will we see 802.11  ax fixed wireless gear?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/184685-what-is-802-11ax-wifi-and-do-you-really-need-a-10gbps-connection-to-your-laptop
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> *nods* It'll affect you long before it affects most WISPs. It'll be
>>> urban, then suburban, probably not rural.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Peter Kranz"  
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:02:58 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?
>>>
>>> I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum will
>>> not be on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at this
>>> presentation from one of the cell phone chipset vendors:
>>> https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation
>>>
>>> Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used.
>>> Imagine the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these environments
>>> used the 5Ghz band, especially that supermarket scenario where the sector
>>> is mounted outside the building.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the fun
>>> with these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on and then
>>> off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[Jason McKemie]

I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It was
> OK.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11 ax

[Jason McKemie]

Verizon did this around here years ago - didn't really fit the business
model they are used to.  Even if they did roll out with a large scale fixed
deployment they would still have fairly restrictive caps, which makes them
easy to compete with.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> They are also moving in the direction of fixed wireless. AT&T is testing
> this now.
> On Jan 12, 2016 8:20 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>
>> when will we see 802.11  ax fixed wireless gear?
>>
>>
>> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/184685-what-is-802-11ax-wifi-and-do-you-really-need-a-10gbps-connection-to-your-laptop
>>
>> On 1/12/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* It'll affect you long before it affects most WISPs. It'll be
>> urban, then suburban, probably not rural.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Peter Kranz"  
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:02:58 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?
>>
>> I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum will
>> not be on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at this
>> presentation from one of the cell phone chipset vendors:
>> https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation
>>
>> Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used.
>> Imagine the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these environments
>> used the 5Ghz band, especially that supermarket scenario where the sector
>> is mounted outside the building.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the fun
>> with these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on and then
>> off.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Yes.  Quite probably.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio


  Anticipatory Animal Farm withdrawal perhaps.

  Josh Luthman wrote:
  > Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
  >
  > 
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
 
  > 

  >
  > 
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
 
  > 

  >
  >
  >
  > Josh Luthman
  > Office: 937-552-2340
  > Direct: 937-552-2343
  > 1100 Wayne St
  > Suite 1337
  > Troy, OH 45373
  >
  > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
  > mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
  >
  >
  > I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
  >
  > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[Jay Weekley]

Anticipatory Animal Farm withdrawal perhaps.

Josh Luthman wrote:

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05 





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:



I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11 ax

[Jaime Solorza]

Interesting article
On Jan 12, 2016 7:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> They are also moving in the direction of fixed wireless. AT&T is testing
> this now.
> On Jan 12, 2016 8:20 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>
>> when will we see 802.11  ax fixed wireless gear?
>>
>>
>> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/184685-what-is-802-11ax-wifi-and-do-you-really-need-a-10gbps-connection-to-your-laptop
>>
>> On 1/12/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* It'll affect you long before it affects most WISPs. It'll be
>> urban, then suburban, probably not rural.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Peter Kranz"  
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:02:58 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?
>>
>> I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum will
>> not be on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at this
>> presentation from one of the cell phone chipset vendors:
>> https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation
>>
>> Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used.
>> Imagine the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these environments
>> used the 5Ghz band, especially that supermarket scenario where the sector
>> is mounted outside the building.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the fun
>> with these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on and then
>> off.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy: Large VC data Q

[George Skorup]

I believe they added that feature to improve handling of heavy sustained 
UDP traffic. Like surveillance cameras. Could be helpful for other 
traffic types as well I'm sure.


On 1/12/2016 7:53 PM, Matt wrote:

I have enabled this on Canopy backhauls such as PTP230 for quite a
while.  I think it bundles packets more and I think it has improved
throughput on them in my opinion.  Has anyone tried it on PMP gear?

Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?

[Jaime Solorza]

Using 2.1 GHz round here as well as standard PCS but I know they are
installing new gear around here.
On Jan 12, 2016 6:40 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Please STOP worrying about cell carriers installing 5ghz LTE on towers.
> They ONLY place this might be used is in dense stadium like environments.
> It will absolutely not be used on tower sites where 5ghz can barely
> penetrate a tree let alone a building.
>
> They will not be installing 5ghz equipment in the church steeple. There
> are no available LTE chipsets that even support that band yet.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm working to get in a steeple where T-Mobile is already using space.
>> The building representative tells me T-Mobile is installing all new
>> hardware in the next couple months. Is T-Mobile installing 5 GHz hardware
>> yet? Would this be considered a significant risk for future interference on
>> my 5 GHz hardware?
>>
>> Thanks - Chris
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?

[Christopher Gray]

Roger. I hadn't paid close enough attention since we don't even have cell
service. New expansion requires new learning I suppose.


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Please STOP worrying about cell carriers installing 5ghz LTE on towers.
> They ONLY place this might be used is in dense stadium like environments.
> It will absolutely not be used on tower sites where 5ghz can barely
> penetrate a tree let alone a building.
>
> They will not be installing 5ghz equipment in the church steeple. There
> are no available LTE chipsets that even support that band yet.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm working to get in a steeple where T-Mobile is already using space.
>> The building representative tells me T-Mobile is installing all new
>> hardware in the next couple months. Is T-Mobile installing 5 GHz hardware
>> yet? Would this be considered a significant risk for future interference on
>> my 5 GHz hardware?
>>
>> Thanks - Chris
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

True :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodizio
Date: Tue, Jan 12, 2016 7:23 PM

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

[Rory Conaway]

Replaced the Mikrotik routers with an Airrouter, it works.  Replaced with an 
Edgerouter, still works.  This goes under the category of WTF.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We tried 3 Mikrotik routers, 2 cable modems, and two radios from two different 
manufacturers.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

MTU?

Last time I had that problem was an inconsistent Ethernet connection. It wasn’t 
showing errors, but UDP was dropping packets. TCP retransmitted.

UDP was screwy, but TCP was downloading at the limit of the wireless feed.





From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

Nailed the problem down to the Mikrotik router having a problem with DNS 
caching whether it’s Cox or Google.  Not sure where to go from there since the 
other 12 don’t have a problem.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We had raons bit no dangling cables.  Level 3 says no errors to the modem and 
we had a tech out already.  We are changing the 2011 to a 450 just to confirm 
before we eacalate further.



Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.


 Original message 
From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Date: 1/11/2016 10:38 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

If it just started and youre in an area hit by storms, some of the neighbors, 
mostly the empty houses with no tenants at this point, cable was busted down by 
tree limbs and is dangling terminated byt the mud now

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Glen Waldrop 
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>> wrote:
Likely an RF issue on the cable side.

I see this sort of thing with the company I consult for. They’ll have me going 
through the router, trying to shut down the “virus” or peer to peer when it is 
thousands and thousands of retransmits and broken packets.

Just like our wireless it can have good quality until loaded, then watch the 
quality drop to nearly nothing and loose connection.



From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

The Netgear router has nothing to do with it, I was just using their website as 
an example of downloading a file.  It’s computer, 2011, cable modem, the world. 
 I just can’t download anything from any sites.  What’s weird is they just drop.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

You mention Netgear, is this a Netgear router?  They used to have a problem 
with downloads stalling, but that was quite a few years ago.  The fix was to 
disable SPI Firewall.


From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We have a cable circuit that can do everything except download.  There is a 
Mikrotik router between the computer and the cable modem.  Haven’t tested 
taking the router out yet but we have tried 2 routers, same results.  
Basically, downloads either don’t start or start and then just crash.  Game 
machines can’t update, even downloading a 20MB file from netgear fails.  
Everything else seems to work.  Any ideas would be helpful.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Life is full of unfair calls, missed plays, and bad catches.  But true 
baseball players keep on playing”  - Lessons from Baseball




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy PTP230 VCERR

[Chitrang Srivastava]

Hi Matt,

Can you please try 13.4.1 latest beta on one of your sector, we fixed similar 
kind of issue where SM goes into registering state,  usually issue looks 
similar.

Thanks,
Chitrang


From: Af  on behalf of Matt 
Sent: 13 January 2016 01:05:22
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy PTP230 VCERR

13.4.


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Chitrang Srivastava
 wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> What software version are you using?
>
> Thanks,
> Chitrang

>
> Anyone know what a VCERR on a Canopy PTP230 is?
>
Event: OOS, MsgType: VCERR, NewState: IDLE, Flag 180
>
> Great signal etc but keeps dropping.

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11 ax

[Josh Reynolds]

They are also moving in the direction of fixed wireless. AT&T is testing
this now.
On Jan 12, 2016 8:20 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

> when will we see 802.11  ax fixed wireless gear?
>
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/184685-what-is-802-11ax-wifi-and-do-you-really-need-a-10gbps-connection-to-your-laptop
>
> On 1/12/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> *nods* It'll affect you long before it affects most WISPs. It'll be urban,
> then suburban, probably not rural.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Peter Kranz"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:02:58 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?
>
> I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum will
> not be on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at this
> presentation from one of the cell phone chipset vendors:
> https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation
>
> Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used.
> Imagine the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these environments
> used the 5Ghz band, especially that supermarket scenario where the sector
> is mounted outside the building.
>
>
>
>
>
> This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the fun
> with these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on and then
> off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[Ken Hohhof]

There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It was OK.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


  I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] powercode custom report - customer groups

[Josh Luthman]

Ya uhm not sure I'm clicking that...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2016 9:13 PM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:

> http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5658arTRD1qcmtopo1_250.gif
>
> ryan
>
>
> On 1/12/16 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> <3
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 12, 2016 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I love you josh
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You know those are all in Data Export?  If you can do a CSV export you
>>> can delete the excess columns.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 the built in reports list everything ither than the "none" group and
 the "all" group. Anybody know the ID for group in the custom reports, and
 maybe the syntax I need? Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a great
 report. Powercode did not get back to me

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | communities
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294425-939-0047
>
>

[AFMUG] 802.11 ax

[Keefe John]

when will we see 802.11  ax fixed wireless gear?

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/184685-what-is-802-11ax-wifi-and-do-you-really-need-a-10gbps-connection-to-your-laptop

On 1/12/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* It'll affect you long before it affects most WISPs. It'll be 
urban, then suburban, probably not rural.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com



*From: *"Peter Kranz" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:02:58 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?

I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum 
will not be on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at 
this presentation from one of the cell phone chipset vendors: 
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation


Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used. 
Imagine the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these 
environments used the 5Ghz band, especially that supermarket scenario 
where the sector is mounted outside the building.


This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the 
fun with these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on 
and then off.


*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

Re: [AFMUG] powercode custom report - customer groups

[D. Ryan Spott]

http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5658arTRD1qcmtopo1_250.gif

ryan


On 1/12/16 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


<3

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2016 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I love you josh

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

You know those are all in Data Export? If you can do a CSV
export you can delete the excess columns.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

the built in reports list everything ither than the "none"
group and the "all" group. Anybody know the ID for group
in the custom reports, and maybe the syntax I need?
Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a great report.
Powercode did not get back to me

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.




--
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[Josh Luthman]

Jays from Cullman AL

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2016 9:02 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Where the hell is here?
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 7:10 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* It'll affect you long before it affects most WISPs. It'll be urban, then 
suburban, probably not rural. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Peter Kranz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:02:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet? 



I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum will not be 
on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at this presentation from 
one of the cell phone chipset vendors: 
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation
 
Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used. Imagine 
the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these environments used the 5Ghz 
band, especially that supermarket scenario where the sector is mounted outside 
the building. 



This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the fun with 
these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on and then off. 



Peter Kranz 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?

[Peter Kranz]

I guess I agree with your assertion that LTE in unlicensed spectrum will not be 
on high level cell towers, but you might want to look at this presentation from 
one of the cell phone chipset vendors: 
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/making-best-use-unlicensed-spectrum-presentation
 

Notice all the places they show LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum being used. Imagine 
the effect if thousands of devices deployed in these environments used the 5Ghz 
band, especially that supermarket scenario where the sector is mounted outside 
the building. 

 



 

This is how they are going to share the spectrum fairly. Imagine the fun with 
these pulsing interference sources. I.e. a jammer for 50ms on and then off.

 



 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[Lewis Bergman]

Where the hell is here?

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 7:10 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>

[AFMUG] Canopy: Large VC data Q

[Matt]

I have enabled this on Canopy backhauls such as PTP230 for quite a
while.  I think it bundles packets more and I think it has improved
throughput on them in my opinion.  Has anyone tried it on PMP gear?

Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?

[Darin Steffl]

Please STOP worrying about cell carriers installing 5ghz LTE on towers.
They ONLY place this might be used is in dense stadium like environments.
It will absolutely not be used on tower sites where 5ghz can barely
penetrate a tree let alone a building.

They will not be installing 5ghz equipment in the church steeple. There are
no available LTE chipsets that even support that band yet.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I'm working to get in a steeple where T-Mobile is already using space. The
> building representative tells me T-Mobile is installing all new hardware in
> the next couple months. Is T-Mobile installing 5 GHz hardware yet? Would
> this be considered a significant risk for future interference on my 5 GHz
> hardware?
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

[Josh Luthman]

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>

[AFMUG] T-Mobile Deploying 5 GHz Yet?

[Christopher Gray]

I'm working to get in a steeple where T-Mobile is already using space. The
building representative tells me T-Mobile is installing all new hardware in
the next couple months. Is T-Mobile installing 5 GHz hardware yet? Would
this be considered a significant risk for future interference on my 5 GHz
hardware?

Thanks - Chris

[AFMUG] Rodizio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Mike Hammett]

How can they pay me if their connection is off? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:06:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik 


How can they connect to your network if the LAN port on CPE is off? I am more 
on methodolgy like Bruce Lee's writings on punching and kicking in Tao of Jeet 
Kune Do. Rough paraphrase... "Before I studied martial arts, a punch was just a 
punch.."like my grandson Noah...be like water.. 
On Jan 12, 2016 5:44 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Perhaps find out the IPs\FQDNs they check to see if they're behind a walled 
garden? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 12:14:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik 




With everyone switching to “devices” and “apps”, some people never see a 
redirect or in-browser notification. If it doesn’t show up on the Xbox, Roku, 
Smart TV, or iPhone app, they never see it. 




From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik 




http://www.perftech.com/ 




From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik 


If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list and 
web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way. 


On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart < 
timreichh...@hometowncable.net > wrote: 


I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup. 

Tim 

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Mike Hammett]

Perhaps find out the IPs\FQDNs they check to see if they're behind a walled 
garden? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 12:14:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik 




With everyone switching to “devices” and “apps”, some people never see a 
redirect or in-browser notification. If it doesn’t show up on the Xbox, Roku, 
Smart TV, or iPhone app, they never see it. 




From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik 




http://www.perftech.com/ 




From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik 


If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list and 
web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way. 


On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart < 
timreichh...@hometowncable.net > wrote: 


I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup. 

Tim 

Re: [AFMUG] Always have a spare

[Chris Wright]

Never seen one breech like that before. Nature is beautiful.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 8:07 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Always have a spare


The cab is tiny...saw one for sale in Clint
On Jan 9, 2016 7:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I looked at buying ten of those at a time to resell them. They packed ten in 
one container.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016, 6:22 PM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
[http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/ANTheStuff/Mini%20Truck/Toyota%20LiteAce/p_00097.jpg]

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Matt]

Does that include transport costs or local loop?


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> I think we're at $0.33/Mb with one provider, and about $0.42-45Mb with
> the other.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> I just got $5/meg last year...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rural areas are tough.  A company we recently merged with was paying
>>> $30/meg.  We're now getting a bargain at around $5
>>>
>>> Peter Kranz wrote:


 Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber span
 to Miami?

 *Peter Kranz
 *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

 a bit below $10 per meg

 On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt >>> > wrote:

 How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
 quite high there.



 On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini
 mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 > hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new
 mdu project
 >
 > please check it out! feedback appreciated!
 >
 > its currently being hosted on a test site:
 >
 > http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
 >
 > please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the
 faq page...
 > its not loading for me!

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Josh Reynolds]

I think we're at $0.33/Mb with one provider, and about $0.42-45Mb with
the other.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I just got $5/meg last year...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>>
>> Rural areas are tough.  A company we recently merged with was paying
>> $30/meg.  We're now getting a bargain at around $5
>>
>> Peter Kranz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber span
>>> to Miami?
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz
>>> *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!
>>>
>>> a bit below $10 per meg
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
>>> quite high there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini
>>> mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new
>>> mdu project
>>> >
>>> > please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>>> >
>>> > its currently being hosted on a test site:
>>> >
>>> > http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>>> >
>>> > please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the
>>> faq page...
>>> > its not loading for me!
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Josh Luthman]

And they unplug things then put it back wrong.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2016 6:35 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> The downside it that they can't login and pay themselves if they're just
> shut off.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Turning off LAN gets attention immediately no fuss no muss.
>> On Dec 29, 2015 10:47 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.perftech.com/
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on
>>> miktroik
>>>
>>> If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list
>>> and web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart <
>>> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>>>
 I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik
 and I do nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.

 Tim






>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] powercode custom report - customer groups

[Josh Luthman]

<3

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2016 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> I love you josh
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> You know those are all in Data Export?  If you can do a CSV export you
>> can delete the excess columns.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the built in reports list everything ither than the "none" group and the
>>> "all" group. Anybody know the ID for group in the custom reports, and maybe
>>> the syntax I need? Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a great
>>> report. Powercode did not get back to me
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Mathew Howard]

The downside it that they can't login and pay themselves if they're just
shut off.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Turning off LAN gets attention immediately no fuss no muss.
> On Dec 29, 2015 10:47 AM,  wrote:
>
>> http://www.perftech.com/
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on
>> miktroik
>>
>> If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list
>> and web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart <
>> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik
>>> and I do nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Jaime Solorza]

Turning off LAN gets attention immediately no fuss no muss.
On Dec 29, 2015 10:47 AM,  wrote:

> http://www.perftech.com/
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on
> miktroik
>
> If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list
> and web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and
>> I do nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] powercode custom report - customer groups

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I love you josh

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You know those are all in Data Export?  If you can do a CSV export you can
> delete the excess columns.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the built in reports list everything ither than the "none" group and the
>> "all" group. Anybody know the ID for group in the custom reports, and maybe
>> the syntax I need? Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a great
>> report. Powercode did not get back to me
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hit me off-list, and I will be happy to share on how to possibly reduce cost of 
IP Transit when in a Rural Area.

:)

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Matt" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 5:09:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

>> Rural areas are tough.  A company we recently merged with was paying
>> $30/meg.  We're now getting a bargain at around $5
> 
> How did you get if down to $5?
> 
> 
>>> Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber span
>>> to Miami?
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz
>>> *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!
>>>
>>> a bit below $10 per meg
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
>>> quite high there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini
>>> mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new
>>> mdu project
>>> >
>>> > please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>>> >
>>> > its currently being hosted on a test site:
>>> >
>>> > http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>>> >
>>> > please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the
>>> faq page...
>>> > its not loading for me!
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Josh Luthman]

Firewall blocks them from getting online, but they obviously won't see a
page that says to call you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Tim Reichhart <
timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:

> Sorry for bringing this back up but what happens if customer is using "
> Xbox, Roku, Smart TV, or iPhone app or Android apps" how would I
> block/suspend them customers then?
>
> Tim
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Cameron Crum" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 12/29/15 02:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
>
> Yes. When you add an ip to the a list, if you've ever created that list
> before or rules that deal with the list, it will be available in the
> dropdown for the list name. Alternatively, you can type it in. Keep in mind
> it is case sensitive. We automate this through Wispmon so when a customer
> gets suspended, it ssh's to the router and runs the command
>
> /ip firewall address-list add address=10.x.x.x list=suspended
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> When you add the firewall rules you'll "create" the address-list. When
>> you add IPs to it, you'll see it in the drop down menu (I'd suggest this
>> over typing it when adding IPs to rule out mistakes).
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>  On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Tim Reichhart <
>> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Cameron
>>> do I need to make an separate list for suspended customer name with ip
>>> address with this code?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: "Cameron Crum" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Date: 12/29/15 01:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
>>>
>>> and that nat rule needs to be at the top of your rules.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Here is the setup script...obviously you need to adjust the urls and
 address range on the last line to fit your needs.

 /ip firewall filter
 add action=accept chain=input comment=\
 "Allow Proxy - redirect suspended users" disabled=no dst-port=16099 \
 protocol=tcp
 add action=jump chain=forward disabled=no jump-target=Suspended \
 src-address-list=suspended
 add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-port=443 protocol=tcp
 add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no \
 dst-port=53 protocol=udp
 add action=log chain=Suspended disabled=no
 dst-address-list=!PaymentGateway \
 limit=5/1m,10 log-prefix=""
 add action=reject chain=Suspended disabled=no reject-with=\
 icmp-admin-prohibited

 /ip firewall nat
 add action=redirect chain=dstnat comment="Redirect Rule for suspend
 users - chan\
 ge To Address under action to portal page" disabled=no dst-port=80 \
 protocol=tcp src-address-list=suspended to-ports=16099

 /ip proxy
 set always-from-cache=no cache-administrator=webmaster cache-hit-dscp=4
 cache-on-disk=no enabled=\
 yes max-cache-size=none max-client-connections=600 max-fresh-time=3d
 max-server-connections=\
 600 parent-proxy=0.0.0.0 parent-proxy-port=0 port=16099
 serialize-connections=no src-address=\
 0.0.0.0
 /ip proxy access
 add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=www.mycompany.com
 add action=deny disabled=no redirect-to=
 https://www.mycompany.com/redirectpage.html src-address=\
 10.x.x.x/x




 On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


>
> With everyone switching to "devices" and "apps", some people never see
> a redirect or in-browser notification. If it doesn't show up on the Xbox,
> Roku, Smart TV, or iPhone app, they never see it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on
> miktroik
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.perftech.com/
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on
> miktroik
>
>
>
>
>
> If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address
> list and web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik
>> and I do nat at core router and i dont h

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Tim Reichhart]

Sorry for bringing this back up but what happens if customer is using " Xbox, 
Roku, Smart TV, or iPhone app or Android apps" how would I block/suspend them 
customers then?

Tim 


-Original Message-
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 02:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

Yes. When you add an ip to the a list, if you've ever created that list before 
or rules that deal with the list, it will be available in the dropdown for the 
list name. Alternatively, you can type it in. Keep in mind it is case 
sensitive. We automate this through Wispmon so when a customer gets suspended, 
it ssh's to the router and runs the command

/ip firewall address-list add address=10.x.x.x list=suspended
 




 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
When you add the firewall rules you'll "create" the address-list.  When you add 
IPs to it, you'll see it in the drop down menu (I'd suggest this over typing it 
when adding IPs to rule out mistakes).
 

 


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

 On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
 Cameron
do I need to make an separate list for suspended customer name with ip address 
with this code?

Tim 


-Original Message-
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 01:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik


and that nat rule needs to be at the top of your rules.
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

 
Here is the setup script...obviously you need to adjust the urls and address 
range on the last line to fit your needs.

/ip firewall filter
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
"Allow Proxy - redirect suspended users" disabled=no dst-port=16099 \
protocol=tcp
add action=jump chain=forward disabled=no jump-target=Suspended \
src-address-list=suspended
add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-port=443 protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no \
dst-port=53 protocol=udp
add action=log chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-address-list=!PaymentGateway \
limit=5/1m,10 log-prefix=""
add action=reject chain=Suspended disabled=no reject-with=\
icmp-admin-prohibited


/ip firewall nat
add action=redirect chain=dstnat comment="Redirect Rule for suspend users - 
chan\
ge To Address under action to portal page" disabled=no dst-port=80 \
protocol=tcp src-address-list=suspended to-ports=16099
 
/ip proxy
set always-from-cache=no cache-administrator=webmaster cache-hit-dscp=4 
cache-on-disk=no enabled=\
yes max-cache-size=none max-client-connections=600 max-fresh-time=3d 
max-server-connections=\
600 parent-proxy=0.0.0.0 parent-proxy-port=0 port=16099 
serialize-connections=no src-address=\
0.0.0.0
/ip proxy access
add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=www.mycompany.com 
add action=deny disabled=no 
redirect-to=https://www.mycompany.com/redirectpage.html src-address=\
10.x.x.x/x
 
 
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
 
 
 
With everyone switching to "devices" and "apps", some people never see a 
redirect or in-browser notification. If it doesn't show up on the Xbox, Roku, 
Smart TV, or iPhone app, they never see it.
 
  
 
 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
 
 
 
 
  
http://www.perftech.com/
  
 
 
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
 
 
 
 
 If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list and 
web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.

Tim





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] powercode custom report - customer groups

[Josh Luthman]

You know those are all in Data Export?  If you can do a CSV export you can
delete the excess columns.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the built in reports list everything ither than the "none" group and the
> "all" group. Anybody know the ID for group in the custom reports, and maybe
> the syntax I need? Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a great
> report. Powercode did not get back to me
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] powercode custom report - customer groups

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the built in reports list everything ither than the "none" group and the
"all" group. Anybody know the ID for group in the custom reports, and maybe
the syntax I need? Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a great
report. Powercode did not get back to me

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Ken Hohhof]

But Chuck is looking for an advantage, not just to sell a clone.  Lots of 
clever ways to avoid bumps on the bottom.  Welded trays.  Stamp a recess for 
the carriage bolt head to sit in.  Put all the bolt holes on the sides of the 
rails.  PEM studs.

Oh, and keep UPS Ground shipping dimensions in mind.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

Right, but the Rohn FRM has the heads of carriage bolts on the bottom.  


On 1/12/2016 10:19 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  Yes... If it is truly flat it has better adhesion/friction in high winds. 
Plus imagine ice freeze/thaw cycles under a 5mm protrusion multiplied by 15 
years. Not good for the roof. Losing an access agreement to a key roof would 
really suck.

  On Jan 12, 2016 7:13 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Do you think the head of a carriage bolt would be a problem?

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

Rubber mats are almost always required when on a membrane roof. Not used if 
on gravel/rocks. Please no protruding bolt heads, the bottom of a nprm  needs 
to be FLAT. 

roofs like this:


https://www.google.ca/search?q=white+membrane+roofing&num=100&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgba8x6TKAhXGLmMKHRVGAgcQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=559&dpr=3

On Jan 11, 2016 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom, 
will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?  Are weld beads 
OK.

  Do you always use rubber mats under them?

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Adam Moffett]

Right, but the Rohn FRM has the heads of carriage bolts on the bottom.

On 1/12/2016 10:19 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:


Yes... If it is truly flat it has better adhesion/friction in high 
winds. Plus imagine ice freeze/thaw cycles under a 5mm protrusion 
multiplied by 15 years. Not good for the roof. Losing an access 
agreement to a key roof would really suck.


On Jan 12, 2016 7:13 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:


Do you think the head of a carriage bolt would be a problem?
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:11 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

Rubber mats are almost always required when on a membrane roof.
Not used if on gravel/rocks. Please no protruding bolt heads, the
bottom of a nprm  needs to be FLAT.

roofs like this:


https://www.google.ca/search?q=white+membrane+roofing&num=100&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgba8x6TKAhXGLmMKHRVGAgcQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=559&dpr=3

On Jan 11, 2016 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on
the bottom, will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the
bottom want to be?  Are weld beads OK.
Do you always use rubber mats under them?

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Matt]

> Rural areas are tough.  A company we recently merged with was paying
> $30/meg.  We're now getting a bargain at around $5

How did you get if down to $5?


>> Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber span
>> to Miami?
>>
>> *Peter Kranz
>> *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!
>>
>> a bit below $10 per meg
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt > > wrote:
>>
>> How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
>> quite high there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini
>> mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new
>> mdu project
>> >
>> > please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>> >
>> > its currently being hosted on a test site:
>> >
>> > http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>> >
>> > please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the
>> faq page...
>> > its not loading for me!
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I, Me" when communicating with customers

[Chuck McCown]

y’all is the classical vosotros form of the conjugated English verb  duh!

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,Me" when communicating with customers

Last I checked, "your" is both plural and singular in the English language, so 
I'm not sure how saying "y'all's" is any better... to be safe, you should 
probably go with "the computer that is in front of you" :P


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  If you said “our router”, would you also have to say “y’all’s computer”?  
Because who knows if the person you’re talking to owns that computer, it could 
be a family or company computer.


  From: Nate Burke 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:36 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,Me" when communicating with customers

  I'm working with a customer right now, and I'm referring to the RB750 we have 
on site as MY router, just because of this thread.




  On 1/12/2016 5:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

sorry dad

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

  May I remind everyone that this is a public list, easily available via 
google search.�

  Please mind you comments, language as you please or see fit !

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:19:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,��������Me" 
when communicating with customers

Its more of an "Im going to need you to locate my router and powecycle 
it" In this case, the first I is copacetic, its a direct communication between 
two individual parties, its the "my" that irritates the shit out of me. I want 
to smack a motherfucker and say "did you buy that router fuckwit? did you? no? 
Then its not yours, its the companys, you sumbitch, go drink antifreeze".�

Constant injections of self when representing an entity, I hate that 
shit, like murderous hate.


Now the above, has it been sent to a general support desk that does not 
take individual ownership of each support request, if it were an email 
response, it would be a "We (the company) need you to locate our router and 
power cycle it" �At this point its not an individual communication without 
ownership of the support request.


Self centered goat fuckers are constant self interjectors, the usage of 
I's and me's goes up as the level of fuckwittery and worthlessness increases 
Ive discovered (I can use that I cause Im me, motherfucker)

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jay Weekley 
 wrote:

  What's the context of the conversation?� I can't see myself telling 
a customer "we think you need to power cycle your router". 


  That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Does anyone else here have small nuclear detonations in their brain 
whenever someone from the company uses I or Me when communicating with 
customers on company related issues?

We, us, our, etc. You represent a fucking company, you fucking self 
absorbed gits. (no offense to the people who actually own the company, you can 
refer to it as whatever you want)

Im not lashing out at anybody on this list, just having a nervous 
tick day

carry on

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you�don't�see your 
team as part of yourself you have�already failed as part of the team.






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you�don't�see your 
team as part of yourself you have�already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I, Me" when communicating with customers

[Mathew Howard]

Last I checked, "your" is both plural and singular in the English language,
so I'm not sure how saying "y'all's" is any better... to be safe, you
should probably go with "the computer that is in front of you" :P

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If you said “our router”, would you also have to say “y’all’s computer”?
> Because who knows if the person you’re talking to owns that computer, it
> could be a family or company computer.
>
>
> *From:* Nate Burke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,Me" when communicating with
> customers
>
> I'm working with a customer right now, and I'm referring to the RB750 we
> have on site as MY router, just because of this thread.
>
>
>
> On 1/12/2016 5:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> sorry dad
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> May I remind everyone that this is a public list, easily available via
>> google search.�
>>
>> Please mind you comments, language as you please or see fit !
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" < 
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, January 11, 2016 5:19:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,��������Me"
>> when communicating with customers
>>
>> Its more of an "Im going to need you to locate my router and powecycle
>> it" In this case, the first I is copacetic, its a direct communication
>> between two individual parties, its the "my" that irritates the shit out of
>> me. I want to smack a motherfucker and say "did you buy that router
>> fuckwit? did you? no? Then its not yours, its the companys, you sumbitch,
>> go drink antifreeze".�
>> Constant injections of self when representing an entity, I hate that
>> shit, like murderous hate.
>>
>> Now the above, has it been sent to a general support desk that does not
>> take individual ownership of each support request, if it were an email
>> response, it would be a "We (the company) need you to locate our router and
>> power cycle it" �At this point its not an individual communication
>> without ownership of the support request.
>>
>> Self centered goat fuckers are constant self interjectors, the usage of
>> I's and me's goes up as the level of fuckwittery and worthlessness
>> increases Ive discovered (I can use that I cause Im me, motherfucker)
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's the context of the conversation?� I can't see myself telling a
>>> customer "we think you need to power cycle your router".
>>>
>>>
>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone else here have small nuclear detonations in their brain
 whenever someone from the company uses I or Me when communicating with
 customers on company related issues?

 We, us, our, etc. You represent a fucking company, you fucking self
 absorbed gits. (no offense to the people who actually own the company, you
 can refer to it as whatever you want)

 Im not lashing out at anybody on this list, just having a nervous tick
 day

 carry on

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you�don't�see your
>> team as part of yourself you have�already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you�don't�see your
> team as part of yourself you have�already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I, Me" when communicating with customers

[David]

I do...


On 01/11/2016 04:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Do you also get eye twitches?
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 3:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,Me" when communicating with 
customers
Its more of an "Im going to need you to locate my router and powecycle 
it" In this case, the first I is copacetic, its a direct communication 
between two individual parties, its the "my" that irritates the shit 
out of me. I want to smack a motherfucker and say "did you buy that 
router fuckwit? did you? no? Then its not yours, its the companys, you 
sumbitch, go drink antifreeze".
Constant injections of self when representing an entity, I hate that 
shit, like murderous hate.
Now the above, has it been sent to a general support desk that does 
not take individual ownership of each support request, if it were an 
email response, it would be a "We (the company) need you to locate our 
router and power cycle it"  At this point its not an individual 
communication without ownership of the support request.
Self centered goat fuckers are constant self interjectors, the usage 
of I's and me's goes up as the level of fuckwittery and worthlessness 
increases Ive discovered (I can use that I cause Im me, motherfucker)
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


What's the context of the conversation?  I can't see myself
telling a customer "we think you need to power cycle your router".


That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Does anyone else here have small nuclear detonations in their
brain whenever someone from the company uses I or Me when
communicating with customers on company related issues?

We, us, our, etc. You represent a fucking company, you fucking
self absorbed gits. (no offense to the people who actually own
the company, you can refer to it as whatever you want)

Im not lashing out at anybody on this list, just having a
nervous tick day

carry on

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I, Me" when communicating with customers

[Ken Hohhof]

If you said “our router”, would you also have to say “y’all’s computer”?  
Because who knows if the person you’re talking to owns that computer, it could 
be a family or company computer.


From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,Me" when communicating with customers

I'm working with a customer right now, and I'm referring to the RB750 we have 
on site as MY router, just because of this thread.




On 1/12/2016 5:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  sorry dad

  On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

May I remind everyone that this is a public list, easily available via 
google search.�

Please mind you comments, language as you please or see fit !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:19:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,��������Me" when 
communicating with customers

  Its more of an "Im going to need you to locate my router and powecycle 
it" In this case, the first I is copacetic, its a direct communication between 
two individual parties, its the "my" that irritates the shit out of me. I want 
to smack a motherfucker and say "did you buy that router fuckwit? did you? no? 
Then its not yours, its the companys, you sumbitch, go drink antifreeze".�

  Constant injections of self when representing an entity, I hate that 
shit, like murderous hate.


  Now the above, has it been sent to a general support desk that does not 
take individual ownership of each support request, if it were an email 
response, it would be a "We (the company) need you to locate our router and 
power cycle it" �At this point its not an individual communication without 
ownership of the support request.


  Self centered goat fuckers are constant self interjectors, the usage of 
I's and me's goes up as the level of fuckwittery and worthlessness increases 
Ive discovered (I can use that I cause Im me, motherfucker)

  On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:

What's the context of the conversation?� I can't see myself telling a 
customer "we think you need to power cycle your router". 


That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  Does anyone else here have small nuclear detonations in their brain 
whenever someone from the company uses I or Me when communicating with 
customers on company related issues?

  We, us, our, etc. You represent a fucking company, you fucking self 
absorbed gits. (no offense to the people who actually own the company, you can 
refer to it as whatever you want)

  Im not lashing out at anybody on this list, just having a nervous 
tick day

  carry on

  -- 
  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you�don't�see your 
team as part of yourself you have�already failed as part of the team.






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you�don't�see your team 
as part of yourself you have�already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Chuck McCown]

You need to get in on the federal funding.  Should be able to do all kinds of E 
rate stuff.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

no, PRBI has pricing locked to market pricing... no advantage there ... go 
federal funding!!! ya!


Sent from Outlook Mobile





On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM -0800, "Peter Kranz"  
wrote:


  Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber span to 
Miami?

   

  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

   

  a bit below $10 per meg 

   

  On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt  wrote:

How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
quite high there.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new mdu project
>
> please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>
> its currently being hosted on a test site:
>
> http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>
> please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the faq 
page...
> its not loading for me!

   

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Gino Villarini]

no, PRBI has pricing locked to market pricing... no advantage there ... go 
federal funding!!! ya!

Sent from Outlook Mobile




On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM -0800, "Peter Kranz"  
wrote:












Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber span to 
Miami?

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

 

a bit below $10 per meg 

 

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt  wrote:

How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
quite high there.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new mdu project
>
> please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>
> its currently being hosted on a test site:
>
> http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>
> please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the faq page...
> its not loading for me!

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I, Me" when communicating with customers

[Nate Burke]

I'm working with a customer right now, and I'm referring to the RB750 we 
have on site as MY router, just because of this thread.




On 1/12/2016 5:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

sorry dad

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:


May I remind everyone that this is a public list, easily available
via google search.

Please mind you comments, language as you please or see fit !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, January 11, 2016 5:19:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,Me" when
communicating with customers

Its more of an "Im going to need you to locate my router and
powecycle it" In this case, the first I is copacetic, its a
direct communication between two individual parties, its the
"my" that irritates the shit out of me. I want to smack a
motherfucker and say "did you buy that router fuckwit? did
you? no? Then its not yours, its the companys, you sumbitch,
go drink antifreeze".
Constant injections of self when representing an entity, I
hate that shit, like murderous hate.

Now the above, has it been sent to a general support desk that
does not take individual ownership of each support request, if
it were an email response, it would be a "We (the company)
need you to locate our router and power cycle it"  At this
point its not an individual communication without ownership of
the support request.

Self centered goat fuckers are constant self interjectors, the
usage of I's and me's goes up as the level of fuckwittery and
worthlessness increases Ive discovered (I can use that I cause
Im me, motherfucker)

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:

What's the context of the conversation?  I can't see
myself telling a customer "we think you need to power
cycle your router".


That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Does anyone else here have small nuclear detonations
in their brain whenever someone from the company uses
I or Me when communicating with customers on company
related issues?

We, us, our, etc. You represent a fucking company, you
fucking self absorbed gits. (no offense to the people
who actually own the company, you can refer to it as
whatever you want)

Im not lashing out at anybody on this list, just
having a nervous tick day

carry on

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you

don't see your team as part of yourself you have
already failed as part of the team.





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Josh Luthman]

I just got $5/meg last year...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Rural areas are tough.  A company we recently merged with was paying
> $30/meg.  We're now getting a bargain at around $5
>
> Peter Kranz wrote:
>
>>
>> Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber span
>> to Miami?
>>
>> *Peter Kranz
>> *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!
>>
>> a bit below $10 per meg
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt > > wrote:
>>
>> How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
>> quite high there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini
>> mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new
>> mdu project
>> >
>> > please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>> >
>> > its currently being hosted on a test site:
>> >
>> > http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>> >
>> > please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the
>> faq page...
>> > its not loading for me!
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Jay Weekley]

Rural areas are tough.  A company we recently merged with was paying 
$30/meg.  We're now getting a bargain at around $5


Peter Kranz wrote:


Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber 
span to Miami?


*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

a bit below $10 per meg

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt > wrote:


How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
quite high there.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini
mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new
mdu project
>
> please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>
> its currently being hosted on a test site:
>
> http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>
> please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the
faq page...
> its not loading for me!

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Peter Kranz]

Jesus.. I spend under $.50/meg.. Can buy capacity on that PRBI fiber span to 
Miami?

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

 

a bit below $10 per meg 

 

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
quite high there.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new mdu project
>
> please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>
> its currently being hosted on a test site:
>
> http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>
> please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the faq page...
> its not loading for me!

 

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Gino Villarini]

a bit below $10 per meg

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Matt  wrote:

> How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
> quite high there.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
> > hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new mdu
> project
> >
> > please check it out! feedback appreciated!
> >
> > its currently being hosted on a test site:
> >
> > http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
> >
> > please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the faq
> page...
> > its not loading for me!
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 Polarization

[Wireless Administrator]

Thanks ……

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 Polarization

 

230/430 is V-pol only.

On 1/12/2016 1:14 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

Does anyone know if the PMP230 integrated antenna is V/H or dual Slant?

�

Steve B.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy PTP230 VCERR

[Matt]

13.4.


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Chitrang Srivastava
 wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> What software version are you using?
>
> Thanks,
> Chitrang

>
> Anyone know what a VCERR on a Canopy PTP230 is?
>
Event: OOS, MsgType: VCERR, NewState: IDLE, Flag 180
>
> Great signal etc but keeps dropping.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 Polarization

[George Skorup]

230/430 is V-pol only.

On 1/12/2016 1:14 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:


Does anyone know if the PMP230 integrated antenna is V/H or dual Slant?

Steve B.

[AFMUG] PTP230 Polarization

[Wireless Administrator]

Does anyone know if the PMP230 integrated antenna is V/H or dual Slant?

 

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy PTP230 VCERR

[Sean Heskett]

are you on the latest software?


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Matt  wrote:

> Anyone know what a VCERR on a Canopy PTP230 is?
>
> >>>Event: OOS, MsgType: VCERR, NewState: IDLE, Flag 180
>
> Great signal etc but keeps dropping.
>

Re: [AFMUG] I know it is not Friday

[Chuck McCown]

Second URL is not correct for the ice shield.  Here is the proper one.
http://www.mccowntech.com/ice-shield-m-tow-ice/

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I know it is not Friday

I like.


On 1/12/2016 12:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  But since I have not done a list blast for a while, I thought I could get 
away with it.
  Will be sending something similar with a Mailchimp email too.
  �
  Designed by customer request:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
  �
  Allows the DC power conductor to have protection at the top or bottom of the 
tower.� Heavy duty gas tube protection backed up by solid state 
protection.� 7 amp circuit fuse included.� LEDS to indicate the condition 
of the fuse.� Choke inductance to limit surge transmittal from one side of 
the circuit to the other.� 
  �
  Back by customer demand:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
  There is a video of the unit in operation on this web page. 
  The ice shield is at a lower price than before.� 

Re: [AFMUG] I know it is not Friday

[George Skorup]

I like.

On 1/12/2016 12:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But since I have not done a list blast for a while, I thought I could 
get away with it.

Will be sending something similar with a Mailchimp email too.
Designed by customer request:
http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
Allows the DC power conductor to have protection at the top or bottom 
of the tower.  Heavy duty gas tube protection backed up by solid state 
protection.  7 amp circuit fuse included.  LEDS to indicate the 
condition of the fuse. Choke inductance to limit surge transmittal 
from one side of the circuit to the other.

Back by customer demand:
http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
*There is a video of the unit in operation on this web page. *
The ice shield is at a lower price than before.

[AFMUG] I know it is not Friday

[Chuck McCown]

But since I have not done a list blast for a while, I thought I could get away 
with it.
Will be sending something similar with a Mailchimp email too.

Designed by customer request:
http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/

Allows the DC power conductor to have protection at the top or bottom of the 
tower.  Heavy duty gas tube protection backed up by solid state protection.  7 
amp circuit fuse included.  LEDS to indicate the condition of the fuse.  Choke 
inductance to limit surge transmittal from one side of the circuit to the 
other.  

Back by customer demand:
http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
There is a video of the unit in operation on this web page. 
The ice shield is at a lower price than before.  

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Mike Hammett]

Smooth is better than jagged, for sure. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:54:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question 


Carriage bolts work great for this. Smooth head.. 
On Jan 12, 2016 8:11 AM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Rubber mats are almost always required when on a membrane roof. Not used if on 
gravel/rocks. Please no protruding bolt heads, the bottom of a nprm needs to be 
FLAT. 
roofs like this: 
https://www.google.ca/search?q=white+membrane+roofing&num=100&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgba8x6TKAhXGLmMKHRVGAgcQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=559&dpr=3
 
On Jan 11, 2016 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom, will 
this be a problem? Now smooth does the bottom want to be? Are weld beads OK. 

Do you always use rubber mats under them? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy PTP230 VCERR

[Chitrang Srivastava]

Hi Matt,
What software version are you using?

Thanks,
Chitrang


From: Af  on behalf of Matt 
Sent: 12 January 2016 21:28:55
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Canopy PTP230 VCERR

Anyone know what a VCERR on a Canopy PTP230 is?

>>>Event: OOS, MsgType: VCERR, NewState: IDLE, Flag 180

Great signal etc but keeps dropping.

[AFMUG] Canopy PTP230 VCERR

[Matt]

Anyone know what a VCERR on a Canopy PTP230 is?

>>>Event: OOS, MsgType: VCERR, NewState: IDLE, Flag 180

Great signal etc but keeps dropping.

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Matt]

How much does bandwidth cost you in Puerto Rico?  Figured it would be
quite high there.


On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new mdu project
>
> please check it out! feedback appreciated!
>
> its currently being hosted on a test site:
>
> http://gigabit1.x10host.com/
>
> please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the faq page...
> its not loading for me!

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Jaime Solorza]

Carriage bolts work great for this.  Smooth head..
On Jan 12, 2016 8:11 AM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> Rubber mats are almost always required when on a membrane roof. Not used
> if on gravel/rocks. Please no protruding bolt heads, the bottom of a nprm
> needs to be FLAT.
>
> roofs like this:
>
>
> https://www.google.ca/search?q=white+membrane+roofing&num=100&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgba8x6TKAhXGLmMKHRVGAgcQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=559&dpr=3
> On Jan 11, 2016 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom,
>> will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?  Are weld
>> beads OK.
>>
>> Do you always use rubber mats under them?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Use LTE Enabled Industrial Computers to Make Intellegence Bus Even Smarter

[Jaime Solorza]

Not pushing Moxa.. wanted to share the LTE portion
Lots of push this way in SCADA.  We  have four sites using MDS Orbit LTE
routers.

http://www.moxa.com/application/BUS_IoT_Gateway.htm?utm_source=2016_01_Connection&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Connection&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRoiuq%2FAZKXonjHpfsX66O4tWaKg38431UFwdcjKPmjr1YUDSMZ0aPyQAgobGp5I5FEKS7HYRrd3t60FWA%3D%3D

[AFMUG] ubnt mcs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

is there an oid for mcs number, not the rate but 1-15 in airos<7

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Mathew Howard]

Seems logical... I've never seen an animal write on paper.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I just assumed that animals have a hard time with paper so they use rolls
> of rubber to record their poems.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 6:12 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question
>
>
> Lewis phone is infamous for auto correcting with humor
> On Jan 11, 2016 2:34 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Best autocorrect of the day.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 3:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question
>>
>> We bought 100 foot rolls from tractor supply. I think they are used for
>> animal poems or something. Cheapest we found for a heavy rubber pad.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016, 3:16 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where do you guys get your rubber mats?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jan 11, 2016 4:09 PM, "Peter Kranz"  wrote:
>>>
 I think anyone not using rubber mats is asking for trouble
 eventually... I’ve seen plenty of examples where other company’s non-pen’s
 have eaten holes through rooftops.




 *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 10:38 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question



 If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the
 bottom, will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?
 Are weld beads OK.



 Do you always use rubber mats under them?

>>>

[AFMUG] Use LTE Enabled Industrial Computers to Make Intellegence Bus Even Smarter

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.moxa.com/application/BUS_IoT_Gateway.htm?utm_source=2016_01_Connection&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Connection&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRoiuq%2FAZKXonjHpfsX66O4tWaKg38431UFwdcjKPmjr1YUDSMZ0aPyQAgobGp5I5FEKS7HYRrd3t60FWA%3D%3D

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Eric Kuhnke]

Yes... If it is truly flat it has better adhesion/friction in high winds.
Plus imagine ice freeze/thaw cycles under a 5mm protrusion multiplied by 15
years. Not good for the roof. Losing an access agreement to a key roof
would really suck.
On Jan 12, 2016 7:13 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Do you think the head of a carriage bolt would be a problem?
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:11 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question
>
>
> Rubber mats are almost always required when on a membrane roof. Not used
> if on gravel/rocks. Please no protruding bolt heads, the bottom of a nprm
> needs to be FLAT.
>
> roofs like this:
>
>
> https://www.google.ca/search?q=white+membrane+roofing&num=100&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgba8x6TKAhXGLmMKHRVGAgcQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=559&dpr=3
> On Jan 11, 2016 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom,
>> will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?  Are weld
>> beads OK.
>>
>> Do you always use rubber mats under them?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Eric Kuhnke]

Rubber mats are almost always required when on a membrane roof. Not used if
on gravel/rocks. Please no protruding bolt heads, the bottom of a nprm
needs to be FLAT.

roofs like this:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=white+membrane+roofing&num=100&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgba8x6TKAhXGLmMKHRVGAgcQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=559&dpr=3
On Jan 11, 2016 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom,
> will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?  Are weld
> beads OK.
>
> Do you always use rubber mats under them?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Eric Kuhnke]

Get on a building that requires $10m liability insurance, and proper mats,
EMT conduit etc are not optional.
On Jan 11, 2016 1:10 PM, "Peter Kranz"  wrote:

> I think anyone not using rubber mats is asking for trouble eventually...
> I’ve seen plenty of examples where other company’s non-pen’s have eaten
> holes through rooftops.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 10:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question
>
>
>
> If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom,
> will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?  Are weld
> beads OK.
>
>
>
> Do you always use rubber mats under them?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Chuck McCown]

Do you think the head of a carriage bolt would be a problem?

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

Rubber mats are almost always required when on a membrane roof. Not used if on 
gravel/rocks. Please no protruding bolt heads, the bottom of a nprm  needs to 
be FLAT. 

roofs like this:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=white+membrane+roofing&num=100&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgba8x6TKAhXGLmMKHRVGAgcQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=559&dpr=3

On Jan 11, 2016 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom, 
will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?  Are weld beads 
OK.

  Do you always use rubber mats under them?

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Eric Kuhnke]

Have been buying rubber mats from a home depot type store intended for
workspace use, same thickness, half the $/sqft of rubber mats from Baird,
rohn, commscope.
On Jan 11, 2016 11:30 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Commscope (or the Tessco house brand clones) has a 1/2” thick mat that
> offers a lot more protection than the typical 1/8” mats.
> https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=414951
>
> I was looking at some 16 and 24 inch square rubber paving blocks at
> Menards that are 3/4” thick and made of 100% recycled rubber, is there any
> reason these wouldn’t work?
>
> http://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/landscaping-materials/patio-blocks/c-5785.htm?brandName_facet=GenRubber
>
> *From:* Keefe John 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 1:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question
>
> we always use mats.  Not using mats is a great way to tear a rubber roof.
>
> On 1/11/2016 12:37 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom,
> will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?  Are weld
> beads OK.
>
> Do you always use rubber mats under them?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[David]

Chuck,
 Our company ALWAYS uses the rubber mat. Too many issues with metal on 
metal.

Dave


On 01/11/2016 12:37 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the 
bottom, will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to 
be?  Are weld beads OK.

Do you always use rubber mats under them?

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

[Chuck McCown]

I just assumed that animals have a hard time with paper so they use rolls of 
rubber to record their poems.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

Lewis phone is infamous for auto correcting with humor

On Jan 11, 2016 2:34 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Best autocorrect of the day.


  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 3:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question

  We bought 100 foot rolls from tractor supply. I think they are used for 
animal poems or something. Cheapest we found for a heavy rubber pad.


  On Mon, Jan 11, 2016, 3:16 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Where do you guys get your rubber mats?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 11, 2016 4:09 PM, "Peter Kranz"  wrote:

  I think anyone not using rubber mats is asking for trouble eventually... 
I’ve seen plenty of examples where other company’s non-pen’s have eaten holes 
through rooftops.



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:38 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Non Pen Mount Question



  If the mount has the head of a carriage bolt coming though on the bottom, 
will this be a problem?  Now smooth does the bottom want to be?  Are weld beads 
OK.



  Do you always use rubber mats under them?

Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC

[Mike Hammett]

They should support something like this: 

http://www.molex.com/mx_upload/editorial/1518/Mega-FIt_Family.jpg 

That way there's reduced chances of shorting. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 9:15:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC 


You could do something like this. The model pictured is a 1036. 




On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






Looks like I remembered wrong, 125 watts, $3050. 
http://routerboard.com/CCR1072-1G-8Splus 





From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 10:08 PM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC 




Close, it's the 256 core version is 72W, $895 MSRP. 

Thanks, 
`S 

--- 
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs. 

On Jan 2, 2016, at 16:59, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 







The 72 core version is something like 250 watts, isn’t it? 




From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 6:55 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC 


Well, it doesn't have PoE in, but I also don't have a PoE device there, it's 
just the CCR1016-12S-1S+ by itself. But you're right, even 802.11at or PoE+ 
only supports 30W. This must he why MT does not support PoE-in on the 
higher-end CCRs. 


Thanks, 
'S 
Sent mobile! 

On Jan 2, 2016, at 16:47, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 







Max power consumption 44 watts, so I guess you could power it via POE, but it 
would have to be a high power POE. 




From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 6:37 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC 


No copper ports, all SFP. :/ 

Instead of including a "free" copper transceiver I'd prefer one of the ports as 
PoE-in copper like most of their other products. 

Thanks, 
`S 

--- 
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs. 

On Jan 2, 2016, at 16:27, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 





feed it poe 


On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 4:22 PM, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: 



Oh look, a new product! And MikroTik still didn't listen. Seriously, how f'n 
hard is it to listen to your customers for one, and two, at least make it easy 
to run these things straight off of DC. 

I have a 1016-12S-1S+ for a fiber project. It's pretty nice with the redundant 
power supplies. And if this project called for a DC plant, I'd be using 
something else. 

Anyway, I'm sure you could rip the AC-DC power supplies out and wire it up how 
you want. Or drill a couple holes and put some of those banana plug terminal 
things in I suppose. Too much work for me. 


On 1/2/2016 5:40 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: 




With a +48vdc power source would it make sense to power a CCR1016-12S-1S+ by 
opening the case, bypassing the AC power supplies, and connecting a TRACO Power 
TCL 060-124 directly to the routerboard? Is there an easier more efficient way? 
Trying to avoid using AC at all, thanks. 

Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC

[Josh Baird]

I don't, but Josh R. pointed this link out:

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/0710170/277-5793-ND/2525216

You may be able to find something here that would work for you.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> Josh-
>
> That’s cool, do you have a link to that product or name or anything?  I’ve
> searched around but just keep finding plug/receptacle power entry blocks,
> not that screw terminal type.  TIA!
>
>
>
> `S
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 3, 2016 07:16
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC
>
>
>
> You could do something like this.  The model pictured is a 1036.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Looks like I remembered wrong, 125 watts, $3050.
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1072-1G-8Splus
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Vander Dussen 
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 02, 2016 10:08 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC
>
>
>
> Close, it's the 256 core version is 72W, $895 MSRP.
>
> Thanks,
>
> `S
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 16:59, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> The 72 core version is something like 250 watts, isn’t it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Vander Dussen 
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 02, 2016 6:55 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC
>
>
>
> Well, it doesn't have PoE in, but I also don't have a PoE device there,
> it's just the CCR1016-12S-1S+ by itself.  But you're right, even 802.11at
> or PoE+ only supports 30W. This must he why MT does not support PoE-in on
> the higher-end CCRs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 'S
>
>
>
> Sent mobile!
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 16:47, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Max power consumption 44 watts, so I guess you could power it via POE, but
> it would have to be a high power POE.
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Vander Dussen 
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 02, 2016 6:37 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] +48VDC to 24VDC
>
>
>
> No copper ports, all SFP.  :/
>
>
>
> Instead of including a "free" copper transceiver I'd prefer one of the
> ports as PoE-in copper like most of their other products.
>
> Thanks,
>
> `S
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 16:27, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> feed it poe
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 4:22 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> Oh look, a new product! And MikroTik still didn't listen. Seriously, how
> f'n hard is it to listen to your customers for one, and two, at least make
> it easy to run these things straight off of DC.
>
> I have a 1016-12S-1S+ for a fiber project. It's pretty nice with the
> redundant power supplies. And if this project called for a DC plant, I'd be
> using something else.
>
> Anyway, I'm sure you could rip the AC-DC power supplies out and wire it up
> how you want. Or drill a couple holes and put some of those banana plug
> terminal things in I suppose. Too much work for me.
>
> On 1/2/2016 5:40 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>
> With a +48vdc power source would it make sense to power a CCR1016-12S-1S+
>  by opening the case,
> bypassing the AC power supplies, and connecting a TRACO Power TCL 060-124
> 
> directly to the routerboard?  Is there an easier more efficient way?
> Trying to avoid using AC at all, thanks.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I, Me" when communicating with customers

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

sorry dad

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> May I remind everyone that this is a public list, easily available via
> google search.
>
> Please mind you comments, language as you please or see fit !
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, January 11, 2016 5:19:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT, irritation, "I,Me" when communicating
> with customers
>
> Its more of an "Im going to need you to locate my router and powecycle it"
> In this case, the first I is copacetic, its a direct communication between
> two individual parties, its the "my" that irritates the shit out of me. I
> want to smack a motherfucker and say "did you buy that router fuckwit? did
> you? no? Then its not yours, its the companys, you sumbitch, go drink
> antifreeze".
> Constant injections of self when representing an entity, I hate that shit,
> like murderous hate.
>
> Now the above, has it been sent to a general support desk that does not
> take individual ownership of each support request, if it were an email
> response, it would be a "We (the company) need you to locate our router and
> power cycle it"  At this point its not an individual communication without
> ownership of the support request.
>
> Self centered goat fuckers are constant self interjectors, the usage of
> I's and me's goes up as the level of fuckwittery and worthlessness
> increases Ive discovered (I can use that I cause Im me, motherfucker)
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> What's the context of the conversation?  I can't see myself telling a
>> customer "we think you need to power cycle your router".
>>
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone else here have small nuclear detonations in their brain
>>> whenever someone from the company uses I or Me when communicating with
>>> customers on company related issues?
>>>
>>> We, us, our, etc. You represent a fucking company, you fucking self
>>> absorbed gits. (no offense to the people who actually own the company, you
>>> can refer to it as whatever you want)
>>>
>>> Im not lashing out at anybody on this list, just having a nervous tick
>>> day
>>>
>>> carry on
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Gino Villarini]

Thanks Guys for all the feedback!


On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> In that case, it worked as designed.
>
> *From:* Simon Westlake 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 9:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!
>
> Maybe they expect you to see the button, be puzzled, and read the manual
> to find out what it does.
>
> On 1/11/2016 9:02 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> CyberData thinks RTFM stands for “Reset Test Function Management”, I was
> puzzled when I saw an RTFM button on their product.
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!
>
> Is FAQ you similar to RTFM?
>
> *From:* Tyler Treat 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!
>
> Lots of people pronounce it "fax".
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Josh Luthman < 
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> F A Q.
>
> NASA.
>
> ?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 10, 2016 9:11 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:
>
>> The dictionary definition of an initialism is an abbreviation you'd
>> pronounce the individual letters off, which wouldn't be the case for me
>> pronouncing either 'FAQ' or 'NASA', but I am not sure how they pronounce
>> these things in Ohio ;)
>>
>> On 1/10/2016 8:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> FAQ is an initialism.  NASA is an acronym.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 10, 2016 9:05 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
>> mailto:simon@sonar.software  wrote:
>>
>>> No, background doesn't show up for me. The few things I noticed clicking
>>> around:
>>>
>>> The quantity of symbols on the front page seems excessive. Things like
>>> 'Awesome' and 'Simple' are overkill IMO, it detracts from the rest of the
>>> messaging because they're pretty vague.
>>> Some grammatical errors too like 'We are Provide Top Notch Support.'
>>> Same with the 'We are local' one. Some spelling mistakes in the 'What is
>>> Gigabit1' section on front page too (e.g. effectivly should be effectively,
>>> 'bulding' on 'For Home' section should be 'Building')
>>> Faq should be FAQ (it's an acronym)
>>> Video on front page obviously needs replacing :)
>>>
>>> Otherwise, looks good to me.
>>>
>>> On 1/10/2016 7:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Loads up but background does not showalso check specially versus
>>> especially with word smiths on list.
>>> On Jan 10, 2016 6:40 PM, "Gino Villarini" < 
>>> ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new mdu
 project

 please check it out! feedback appreciated!

 its currently being hosted on a test site:

 http://gigabit1.x10host.com/

 please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the faq
 page... its not loading for me!

>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>