Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

If there's anything that this election cycle gives me hope about, it's that
it is painfully obvious that the american people are finally fed up with
politics as usual.



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> True. If we could only get rid of these damn political parties...
>
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>
>> Republicans and dems are all the same.  Everything is negotiable and
>> willing to be traded in order to get or keep power. And of course power is
>> equivalent to money. Read the book the list is named after. The only
>> exception is when you have a dictator like NK or Cuba where you just kill
>> people who disagree so you don't have to compromise your beliefs.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 6:28 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> But look at the size of it. It's HUUUGE!
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/24/2016 4:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Watch out for the ones who got their degree at Costco.
>>>
>>>
>>>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

[AFMUG] OT Texan Who Posted Extreme Views Loses Runoff for State Education Post

[Jaime Solorza]

I am relieved

Texan Who Posted Extreme Views Loses Runoff for State Education Post
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/25/us/texan-who-posted-extreme-views-loses-runoff-for-state-education-post.html

Re: [AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size

[Eric Kuhnke]

Let's see if we can get afrinic to release all that unused /8 space and
encourage everyone to advertise it as individual /22 to /24 pieces!

*cringe*
On May 24, 2016 9:27 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> To wit?
>
>
>
> Not sure if this gives credence to my frustration with the whole IPv6
> ‘transition’ and lack of IPv4, or if it means IPv6 is somehow more optimal.
>
>
>
> I’m thinking the former.
>
>
>
> And I’m thinking it’s the CDN/content providers fault.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size
>
>
>
> I've been running a script for the last few months which grabs the current
> size of the ipv4 and ipv6 FIBs for a full routing table, once a day, and
> writes it to an RRA.
>
> here's the results:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/iJfPT
>
> That chart with the green is actually drawing both v4 and v6 on the same
> chart. That almost impossible to see blue line at the bottom of the chart?
> That's the v6.  For comparison, a standalone v6 chart is the second image.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size

[Cassidy B. Larson]

For further historical graphs:

v4:
http://tinyurl.com/y9hf6qs

v6:
http://tinyurl.com/jj83yy2



> On May 24, 2016, at 10:16 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> I've been running a script for the last few months which grabs the current 
> size of the ipv4 and ipv6 FIBs for a full routing table, once a day, and 
> writes it to an RRA.
> 
> here's the results:
> 
> http://imgur.com/a/iJfPT 
> 
> 
> That chart with the green is actually drawing both v4 and v6 on the same 
> chart. That almost impossible to see blue line at the bottom of the chart?  
> That's the v6.  For comparison, a standalone v6 chart is the second image.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size

[Sterling Jacobson]

To wit?

Not sure if this gives credence to my frustration with the whole IPv6 
‘transition’ and lack of IPv4, or if it means IPv6 is somehow more optimal.

I’m thinking the former.

And I’m thinking it’s the CDN/content providers fault.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size

I've been running a script for the last few months which grabs the current size 
of the ipv4 and ipv6 FIBs for a full routing table, once a day, and writes it 
to an RRA.
here's the results:

http://imgur.com/a/iJfPT

That chart with the green is actually drawing both v4 and v6 on the same chart. 
That almost impossible to see blue line at the bottom of the chart?  That's the 
v6.  For comparison, a standalone v6 chart is the second image.

[AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size

[Eric Kuhnke]

I've been running a script for the last few months which grabs the current
size of the ipv4 and ipv6 FIBs for a full routing table, once a day, and
writes it to an RRA.

here's the results:

http://imgur.com/a/iJfPT


That chart with the green is actually drawing both v4 and v6 on the same
chart. That almost impossible to see blue line at the bottom of the chart?
That's the v6.  For comparison, a standalone v6 chart is the second image.

Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Oh, ok, I must have missed that announcement.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?


They said it was dead. They are working on a similar product line I think
On May 24, 2016 8:49 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
Who knows.

They say it’s not.

But they need to move on it soon if they want to stay relevant in the IoT 
market.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?

I think ubnt management has intentionally taken a page from the google 
playbook, with the method of 'try everything and be ready to abandon an 
unsuccessful product at any time'.  But in this case with real manufacturing 
hardware rather than internet based services delivered in peoples' 
browsers/apps.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Sam Lambie 
> wrote:
There hasn't been a software upgrade in over a year, nor have many products 
been released in a while either.

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?

[Josh Reynolds]

They said it was dead. They are working on a similar product line I think
On May 24, 2016 8:49 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Who knows.
>
>
>
> They say it’s not.
>
>
>
> But they need to move on it soon if they want to stay relevant in the IoT
> market.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?
>
>
>
> I think ubnt management has intentionally taken a page from the google
> playbook, with the method of 'try everything and be ready to abandon an
> unsuccessful product at any time'.  But in this case with real
> manufacturing hardware rather than internet based services delivered in
> peoples' browsers/apps.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> There hasn't been a software upgrade in over a year, nor have many
> products been released in a while either.
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Who knows.

They say it’s not.

But they need to move on it soon if they want to stay relevant in the IoT 
market.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?

I think ubnt management has intentionally taken a page from the google 
playbook, with the method of 'try everything and be ready to abandon an 
unsuccessful product at any time'.  But in this case with real manufacturing 
hardware rather than internet based services delivered in peoples' 
browsers/apps.


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Sam Lambie 
> wrote:
There hasn't been a software upgrade in over a year, nor have many products 
been released in a while either.

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Sort of.

We sold a total of around 80 (over a few years).   There were some
manufacturability issues which needed to be dealt with (why there's 80
instead of 100 - not  a good yield).   Fixing those with the current design
isn't really practical.   Reordering and making just a few more of the
existing design is also prohibitive due to some minimum orders for parts
I'm no longer using other than on that board.   Or summarized:  We really
can't cost effectively make any more of the existing design, especially at
the volumes we're moving (1-2/month if we're lucky).

The good news is that the next iteration of the sitemonitor base units will
actually be able to do everything that standby power controller did, and a
whole lot more.   The intent is to circle around and build a new standby
power controller board which runs the new sitemonitor firmware.  This was
supposed to be done by now, but the processor switch for the new base units
was anything but the smooth transition we had hoped.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Did Forrest discontinue it!?
>
> On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>> Anyone has units for sale?
>>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Cameron Crum]

Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are
doing with database.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.
>
>
>
> This is interesting for people who need occasional access.
>
>
>
>
> https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online
>
>
>
> *Get started with Office Online now*
>
> No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
> application.
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>
> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> That is $12 per seat?
>
> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>
>
>
> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for
> 5 seats.  Not terrible.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
>
> http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
> We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to
>
> date is more expensive than renting it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.
> Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Jaime Solorza]

I read it as Freshman Candide by VoltaireThe Prince by
Machiavelli... works of Payne, Rousseau and Adam Smith...frosh and
sophomore years...wish my school hadn't closed down.. ended up at Riverside
High School...very different.. some of the books I read at a Jesuit school
were banned at Riverside.  Not even offered at library.   Anyways
politicians are whack.
On May 24, 2016 6:05 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

True. If we could only get rid of these damn political parties...


On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Republicans and dems are all the same.  Everything is negotiable and
> willing to be traded in order to get or keep power. And of course power is
> equivalent to money. Read the book the list is named after. The only
> exception is when you have a dictator like NK or Cuba where you just kill
> people who disagree so you don't have to compromise your beliefs.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 6:28 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> But look at the size of it. It's HUUUGE!
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 4:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Watch out for the ones who got their degree at Costco.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[George Skorup]

Ah man. That thing is awesome. I have one. We're probably going to 
change up our double transfer switch setup at the office. My design 
wasn't going to work the way I wanted it to. So I might not need the 
PacketFlux controller.


Let me check with the boss and see if he's cool selling you this one. Do 
you need one ASAP?


On 5/24/2016 7:25 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

yes

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Did Forrest discontinue it!?

On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Anyone has units for sale?

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Gerard Dupont III]

I have one sitting on my desk that's still in the bag/box. Pre ordered
it and never did anything with it once it came in. Give me whatever you
think is fair and I'll get it shipped tomorrow.

Gerard

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> yes
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
>> Did Forrest discontinue it!?
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone has units for sale?
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] SM Isolation Question

[Gerard Dupont III]

On our fiber network I use port isolation and mac forced forwarding(not
available in MikroTik) to accomplish layer2 isolation but still allow
client to client unicast traffic.

Proxy arp is as close to MACFF as you can get in MikroTik. I think you
should be able to use option 2 if you use a different vlan per customer
site(use the default vlan setting in each canopy SM so each site has
a unique vlan) then enable proxy arp for each vlan in your router. I don't
remember if you have to have an ip on the vlan for it to work or not. If
it doesn't work try adding an ip on each vlan. So you don't waste ips you
can use point to point addressing. IE address=routerip/32
network=customerIpForThisVlan. You might be able to get by with some static
arp entries instead of adding an ip to each vlan. I'm not sure how MikroTik
handles that.

I suck at explaining myself so I hope this makes sense. You can contact me
offlist if you want to chat/talk about it.

Gerard


On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Craig Schmaderer > wrote:

> Example:
>
> I have a 450 Access Point that has 3 sms belonging to one company with 3
> sites.
>
> This client wants to have vpns between all locations.  They are all on the
> same layer 2 network (same vlan)
>
>
>
> Options and expected outcomes
>
> · Disable SM Isolation (the default selection). This allows full
> communication between SMs.
>
> -  Works fine, all traffic can pass, Expected…..
>
>
>
> · Enable Option 1 - Block SM destined packets from being forwarded. This
> prevents both multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication.
>
> -  Doesn’t work, can establish connections between sms.
> Expected……
>
>
>
> · Enable Option 2 - Forward SM destined packets upstream. This not only
> prevents multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication but also
> sends the packets, which otherwise may have been handled SM to SM, through
> the Ethernet port of the AP.
>
> -  Doesn’t work, I thought this would work, I assumed all packets
> would be sent upstream to the router than the router would send it back to
> the clients, similar to how mac forced forwarding works on my fiber
> network.
>
>
>
> So I guess my question is “Am I totally miss understanding what option 2
> does?  Is the only possible way to allow vpn traffic between sms on the
> same access points have to have “Disable SM Isolation set?”
>
>
>
> Thanks, Craig.
>
>
>
> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>
> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>
> *Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058*
>
> *Direct: 402-372-1052*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Gino Villarini]

yes

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Did Forrest discontinue it!?
>
> On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>> Anyone has units for sale?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[George Skorup]

Did Forrest discontinue it!?

On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Anyone has units for sale?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Jason McKemie]

True. If we could only get rid of these damn political parties...

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Republicans and dems are all the same.  Everything is negotiable and
> willing to be traded in order to get or keep power. And of course power is
> equivalent to money. Read the book the list is named after. The only
> exception is when you have a dictator like NK or Cuba where you just kill
> people who disagree so you don't have to compromise your beliefs.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 6:28 PM Bill Prince  > wrote:
>
>> But look at the size of it. It's HUUUGE!
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 4:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Watch out for the ones who got their degree at Costco.
>>
>>
>>

[AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Gino Villarini]

Anyone has units for sale?

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Gino Villarini]

Netonix

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> Crap, I didn’t realize that it doesn’t do 1gb but I do remember that being
> talked about a while back, I guess I will go back to a ctm2 or maybe call
> forest and look at a sync pipe.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question
>
>
>
> Nothing will change to enable that on the CMM4.  The CMM5 is coming in the
> next quarter that will indeed support this.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:34 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question
>
>
>
> Big question is…can we get the ccm4 to do 1GB? Or do we have to wait for a
> CMM5?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> __
>
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>
> 19 Sage Court
>
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
> +1.866.727.4138
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question
>
>
>
> Also, Craig… this is the exact reason that we made the dongle available.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question
>
>
>
> I use the dongles when I feed them from a CTM2 set for 430 power.  At
> first I made my own, but now just buying the premade ones.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>
> *To:* mailto:af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CMM4 Question
>
>
>
> Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it
> looks like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was
> an after thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the
> feeder cables but then someone in the future might assume they are normal
> 568 cables and blow something up, at least this way they see the dongle and
> ask questions to why does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.
>
>
>
> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>
> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>
> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>
> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Jason McKemie]

Are we sure this is a mistake? I've seen companies charge more for rural
service than suburban / urban. The "no one sells internet less" is an error
though (I hope so for their sake anyhow).

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The pricing gaffe (if it was a gaffe) seems that why would anyone anyone
> take rural residential when you get residential for less price and more
> speed.
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old competition
>
> This is their "satellite" group that now resells Rise internet. They
> kept the Big Dog name even after selling the WISP to JAB/Rise.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 5/24/2016 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> They didn't change their name to Rise?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 24,
>> 2016 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] old competition
>> Hey...
>>
>> It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand
>> new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it
>> for a year. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Lewis Bergman]

Republicans and dems are all the same.  Everything is negotiable and
willing to be traded in order to get or keep power. And of course power is
equivalent to money. Read the book the list is named after. The only
exception is when you have a dictator like NK or Cuba where you just kill
people who disagree so you don't have to compromise your beliefs.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 6:28 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> But look at the size of it. It's HUUUGE!
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/24/2016 4:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Watch out for the ones who got their degree at Costco.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Jaime Solorza]

Trump sued bank to get out of $40M debt after housing crash

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-sued-bank-40m-debt-housing-crash-article-1.2648758

It took 4 years to pay off a debt from my company... it was tough but I
didn't declare bankruptcy...I guess I am stupid at business and
un-Americanwhere's Pat Paulsen when we need him?
On May 24, 2016 5:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I don't believe the core belief claim holds true...they say one thing and
> practice another... many are hypocrites...they knocked Trump and now in bed
> with him?...in an effort to save face and party they are going to support
> someone who honestly is not good for USA.  I am not a Republican, I
> wouldn't even play one on TV but of the dozens who stepped up to
> presidential race, Kasich seemed to be most level headed and honest...you
> guys had a chance to show the world you are better than settling for
> Chump.   I can't say I am super excited about Hillary and Bernie but I
> would vote for either of them or even  Kasich before Trump.   As for Mexico
> and engineers, it holds true for Europe and Asia...we are graduating more
> lawyers and philosophy majorsmy brothers' engineering team at Raytheon
> is composed of Asian, Indian and Mexican colleagues.   Maybe we should
> offer engineering classes in prisons couldn't hurt...
> On May 24, 2016 4:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Another thing that gets me is how the GOP is actually "supporting"
>> him, or at least trying to create the public appearance of it. Like,
>> are you kidding me? You guys hated this guy's guts. You said all kinds
>> of bad crap about him as both a person and as a presidential
>> candidate, and now you "support" him? Really?
>>
>> I mean, you all claim to have these "core beliefs" that you said Trump
>> doesn't support or embody - things that you otherwise fight for tooth
>> and nail. Now that Trump is the candidate though, you guys just threw
>> that all away to rally behind him.
>>
>> What a bunch of fucking lackies.
>>
>> The party system has to go, or we're all just doomed.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>> > Wow...now I have to work on getting that image out of my head...thanks
>> Josh.
>> > Besides that, not saying it is a valid point, just what I hear people
>> > saying.I haven't heard anyone say they like Trump, approve of what he
>> has
>> > been saying, and still voted for him. They just are more sickened by
>> > everyone else I think. I don't know. It is surely a wacky thing to
>> watch.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is the fascinating thing to me, is that somehow Trump isn't
>> >> "status quo". Of course he is, he's used to be political. He's used to
>> >> operating in and with the political spectrum, local and federal
>> >> governments, etc. He's just not been a "politician" so he's been
>> >> allowed to "get away with more" at a certain level.
>> >>
>> >> I really, truly don't believe that his presidential run is anything
>> >> more than him masturbating his ego. He's always been pretty darn good
>> >> at branding, this is kind of an extension of that IMO.
>> >>
>> >> *shrug* Just my $0.02 USD.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman <
>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I think you are wrong about Trump likely voters. Everyone that I have
>> >> > talked
>> >> > to, admittedly an extremely unscientifically small sample size with
>> zero
>> >> > diversity, seem to be voting against all incumbent types instead of
>> for
>> >> > Trump. It seems they are all kind of sick of the status quot and
>> would
>> >> > elect
>> >> > an armadillo or a 5 year old if they had never held office. So, if
>> you
>> >> > have
>> >> > never held office and want to run now is the time. 4 or 6 years from
>> now
>> >> > everyone will likely figure out that like it or not, experience does
>> >> > count
>> >> > for something.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM Jaime Solorza
>> >> > 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Naw this lady is not young and doesn't represent much of
>> Texas...but I
>> >> >> see
>> >> >> no distinction between her and Trump on unfounded beliefs with
>> lemmings
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> followers...  lots of gullible people out there...if they could
>> come up
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> a unique thought their heads would explode
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On May 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger
>> generation is
>> >> >>> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I
>> don't
>> >> >>> see
>> >> >>> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than
>> any
>> >> >>> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
>> >> >>> I 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Jaime Solorza]

I don't believe the core belief claim holds true...they say one thing and
practice another... many are hypocrites...they knocked Trump and now in bed
with him?...in an effort to save face and party they are going to support
someone who honestly is not good for USA.  I am not a Republican, I
wouldn't even play one on TV but of the dozens who stepped up to
presidential race, Kasich seemed to be most level headed and honest...you
guys had a chance to show the world you are better than settling for
Chump.   I can't say I am super excited about Hillary and Bernie but I
would vote for either of them or even  Kasich before Trump.   As for Mexico
and engineers, it holds true for Europe and Asia...we are graduating more
lawyers and philosophy majorsmy brothers' engineering team at Raytheon
is composed of Asian, Indian and Mexican colleagues.   Maybe we should
offer engineering classes in prisons couldn't hurt...
On May 24, 2016 4:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Another thing that gets me is how the GOP is actually "supporting"
> him, or at least trying to create the public appearance of it. Like,
> are you kidding me? You guys hated this guy's guts. You said all kinds
> of bad crap about him as both a person and as a presidential
> candidate, and now you "support" him? Really?
>
> I mean, you all claim to have these "core beliefs" that you said Trump
> doesn't support or embody - things that you otherwise fight for tooth
> and nail. Now that Trump is the candidate though, you guys just threw
> that all away to rally behind him.
>
> What a bunch of fucking lackies.
>
> The party system has to go, or we're all just doomed.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
> > Wow...now I have to work on getting that image out of my head...thanks
> Josh.
> > Besides that, not saying it is a valid point, just what I hear people
> > saying.I haven't heard anyone say they like Trump, approve of what he has
> > been saying, and still voted for him. They just are more sickened by
> > everyone else I think. I don't know. It is surely a wacky thing to watch.
> >
> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is the fascinating thing to me, is that somehow Trump isn't
> >> "status quo". Of course he is, he's used to be political. He's used to
> >> operating in and with the political spectrum, local and federal
> >> governments, etc. He's just not been a "politician" so he's been
> >> allowed to "get away with more" at a certain level.
> >>
> >> I really, truly don't believe that his presidential run is anything
> >> more than him masturbating his ego. He's always been pretty darn good
> >> at branding, this is kind of an extension of that IMO.
> >>
> >> *shrug* Just my $0.02 USD.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman  >
> >> wrote:
> >> > I think you are wrong about Trump likely voters. Everyone that I have
> >> > talked
> >> > to, admittedly an extremely unscientifically small sample size with
> zero
> >> > diversity, seem to be voting against all incumbent types instead of
> for
> >> > Trump. It seems they are all kind of sick of the status quot and would
> >> > elect
> >> > an armadillo or a 5 year old if they had never held office. So, if you
> >> > have
> >> > never held office and want to run now is the time. 4 or 6 years from
> now
> >> > everyone will likely figure out that like it or not, experience does
> >> > count
> >> > for something.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM Jaime Solorza
> >> > 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Naw this lady is not young and doesn't represent much of Texas...but
> I
> >> >> see
> >> >> no distinction between her and Trump on unfounded beliefs with
> lemmings
> >> >> as
> >> >> followers...  lots of gullible people out there...if they could come
> up
> >> >> with
> >> >> a unique thought their heads would explode
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation
> is
> >> >>> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I
> don't
> >> >>> see
> >> >>> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than
> any
> >> >>> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
> >> >>> I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a
> >> >>> scholarship to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In
> >> >>> general, I
> >> >>> think they are as smart as we ever were.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway <
> r...@triadwireless.net>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> 
> >>  I think we are going backwards in terms of education and
> motivation,
> >>  especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B
> >>  program, we
> >>  would be a nation of morons.  This generation 

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Ken Hohhof]

Al Gore, inventor of the AlGorithm.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old competition

I didn't see a typo but there is a major grammatical error. "No one sells 
internet less". I assume they meant " for less" instead of selling less 
internet than anyone. Where is Al Gore when you need him to invent new ways to 
sell the internet.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow page 
ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the difference. We 
received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked how they found us 
they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we aren't in there.

  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major typo 
in there at first glance?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

  Hey...

  It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand 
new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it for a 
year. LOL

  Travis






-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Ken Hohhof]

Watch out for the ones who got their degree at Costco.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is stupid" 
. Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see evidence that 
the younger generations is any less intelligent than any other. Less 
experienced of course, just not dumber.  
I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a scholarship to 
go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I think they are as 
smart as we ever were. 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

  I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation, 
especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we would 
be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a complete waste 
of human intelligence.

  Rory

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

  I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of "survival 
of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a net-negative 
effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the population, we 
are de-evolving.

  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
  > 
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
  > conservatives – and US schools
  >
  >
  > See Chemtrails...
  >
  > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
  >>
  >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
  >>
  >>
  >> bp
  >> 
  >>
  >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
  >>>
  >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
  >>> schools
  >>>
  >>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
  >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
  >>>
  >>
  >

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[SmarterBroadband]

Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.

 

This is interesting for people who need occasional access.

 

https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online

 

Get started with Office Online now

No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my application.  

 

From: SmarterBroadband   

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  

 

From: SmarterBroadband   

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?

 

· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  

 

From: Josh Luthman   

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  Hate to 
go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Rory Conaway]

The generation as a whole is not producing the same percentage of scientists or 
engineers as in the past.  Even Mexico is producing more engineers then we are. 
 Ask any of the manufacturers, Ubiquiti, Mimosa, etc… if they can find enough 
experienced engineers.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is stupid" 
. Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see evidence that 
the younger generations is any less intelligent than any other. Less 
experienced of course, just not dumber.
I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a scholarship to 
go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I think they are as 
smart as we ever were.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation, especially 
in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we would be a 
nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a complete waste of 
human intelligence.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of "survival of 
the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a net-negative 
effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the population, we 
are de-evolving.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>>> schools
>>>
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
>>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[SmarterBroadband]

I think the home version covers 5 different Users.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  

 

From: SmarterBroadband   

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?

 

· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  

 

From: Josh Luthman   

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  Hate to 
go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my application.  

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  

 

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?

 

· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  Hate to 
go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[SmarterBroadband]

The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  

 

From: SmarterBroadband   

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?

 

· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  

 

From: Josh Luthman   

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  Hate to 
go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Bill Prince]

Last time I got this, it was $99 (total) for 5 seats for a year. Plus 
you could add/remove seats at will. IOW, if someone got a new laptop, 
you could remove that "seat", and add another one.



bp


On 5/24/2016 3:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
*From:* SmarterBroadband 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

That is $12 per seat?

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?

·One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

I looked at those.  Not thrilled. I may just go with 365.  $12/month 
for 5 seats. Not terrible.


*From:*Josh Luthman 

*Sent:*Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt > wrote:


We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.

*Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] 
*Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown

*Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
*An:* af@afmug.com 
*Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps 
crashing.  Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

Damn these rose colored glasses...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

"per user"




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:23:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives


No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  
They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?



· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  Hate to 
go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Mike Hammett]

"per user" 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:23:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives 




No, $12/month total for 5 seats. 
They say 5 computers. One would hope concurrent logins. 




From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives 



That is $12 per seat? 
Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login? 

· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives 




I looked at those. Not thrilled. I may just go with 365. $12/month for 5 seats. 
Not terrible. 






From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives 




http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 


We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to 
date is more expensive than renting it. 






Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives 




I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing. Hate to 
go buy access. Any alternatives that actually work? 

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  
They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?

 

· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  Hate to 
go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

 

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we are looking at a LOS low hanging fruit plan with more speed for less
money, but figure that will cause a stink


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The pricing gaffe (if it was a gaffe) seems that why would anyone anyone
> take rural residential when you get residential for less price and more
> speed.
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old competition
>
> This is their "satellite" group that now resells Rise internet. They
> kept the Big Dog name even after selling the WISP to JAB/Rise.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 5/24/2016 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> They didn't change their name to Rise?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 24,
>> 2016 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] old competition
>> Hey...
>>
>> It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand
>> new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it
>> for a year. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[SmarterBroadband]

That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?

 

· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  

 

From: Josh Luthman   

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 

I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  Hate to 
go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

 

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Chuck McCown]

The pricing gaffe (if it was a gaffe) seems that why would anyone anyone 
take rural residential when you get residential for less price and more 
speed.


-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old competition

This is their "satellite" group that now resells Rise internet. They
kept the Big Dog name even after selling the WISP to JAB/Rise.

Travis


On 5/24/2016 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They didn't change their name to Rise?

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 
2016 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] old competition

Hey...

It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand 
new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it 
for a year. LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Josh Reynolds]

Another thing that gets me is how the GOP is actually "supporting"
him, or at least trying to create the public appearance of it. Like,
are you kidding me? You guys hated this guy's guts. You said all kinds
of bad crap about him as both a person and as a presidential
candidate, and now you "support" him? Really?

I mean, you all claim to have these "core beliefs" that you said Trump
doesn't support or embody - things that you otherwise fight for tooth
and nail. Now that Trump is the candidate though, you guys just threw
that all away to rally behind him.

What a bunch of fucking lackies.

The party system has to go, or we're all just doomed.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> Wow...now I have to work on getting that image out of my head...thanks Josh.
> Besides that, not saying it is a valid point, just what I hear people
> saying.I haven't heard anyone say they like Trump, approve of what he has
> been saying, and still voted for him. They just are more sickened by
> everyone else I think. I don't know. It is surely a wacky thing to watch.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> This is the fascinating thing to me, is that somehow Trump isn't
>> "status quo". Of course he is, he's used to be political. He's used to
>> operating in and with the political spectrum, local and federal
>> governments, etc. He's just not been a "politician" so he's been
>> allowed to "get away with more" at a certain level.
>>
>> I really, truly don't believe that his presidential run is anything
>> more than him masturbating his ego. He's always been pretty darn good
>> at branding, this is kind of an extension of that IMO.
>>
>> *shrug* Just my $0.02 USD.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>> > I think you are wrong about Trump likely voters. Everyone that I have
>> > talked
>> > to, admittedly an extremely unscientifically small sample size with zero
>> > diversity, seem to be voting against all incumbent types instead of for
>> > Trump. It seems they are all kind of sick of the status quot and would
>> > elect
>> > an armadillo or a 5 year old if they had never held office. So, if you
>> > have
>> > never held office and want to run now is the time. 4 or 6 years from now
>> > everyone will likely figure out that like it or not, experience does
>> > count
>> > for something.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM Jaime Solorza
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Naw this lady is not young and doesn't represent much of Texas...but I
>> >> see
>> >> no distinction between her and Trump on unfounded beliefs with lemmings
>> >> as
>> >> followers...  lots of gullible people out there...if they could come up
>> >> with
>> >> a unique thought their heads would explode
>> >>
>> >> On May 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
>> >>> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't
>> >>> see
>> >>> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
>> >>> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
>> >>> I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a
>> >>> scholarship to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In
>> >>> general, I
>> >>> think they are as smart as we ever were.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway 
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>>  I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
>>  especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B
>>  program, we
>>  would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
>>  complete waste of human intelligence.
>> 
>>  Rory
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>>  conservatives – and US schools
>> 
>>  I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
>>  "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is
>>  having a
>>  net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment
>>  of the
>>  population, we are de-evolving.
>> 
>>  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown 
>>  wrote:
>>  > 
>>  >
>>  > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>  > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>>  > To: af@afmug.com
>>  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical
>>  > for
>>  > conservatives – and US schools
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > See Chemtrails...
>>  >
>>  > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Travis Johnson]

This is their "satellite" group that now resells Rise internet. They 
kept the Big Dog name even after selling the WISP to JAB/Rise.


Travis


On 5/24/2016 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They didn't change their name to Rise?

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 
2016 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] old competition

Hey...

It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the 
brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live 
with it for a year. LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Bill Prince]

One that was left too close to the urinal.


bp


On 5/24/2016 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

What’s a yellow page

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Lewis Bergman]

I see nothing wrong with the speed and pricing. You get more, you pay less
right? besides, Everyone knows internet is used on a bell curve so the
bookends are always lower than the middle.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:09 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> LOL I see that now :) I was looking for spelling errors!
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Look at the pricing and the speed.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:06 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] old competition
>>
>>
> I didn't see a typo but there is a major grammatical error. "No one sells
>> internet less". I assume they meant " for less" instead of selling less
>> internet than anyone. Where is Al Gore when you need him to invent new ways
>> to sell the internet.
>>
>>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
> The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow
>>> page ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the
>>> difference. We received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked
>>> how they found us they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we
>>> aren't in there.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major
 typo in there at first glance?

 On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hey...
>
> It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the
> brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live 
> with
> it for a year. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>


 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook
 

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Lewis Bergman]

Wow...now I have to work on getting that image out of my head...thanks
Josh. Besides that, not saying it is a valid point, just what I hear people
saying.I haven't heard anyone say they like Trump, approve of what he has
been saying, and still voted for him. They just are more sickened by
everyone else I think. I don't know. It is surely a wacky thing to watch.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> This is the fascinating thing to me, is that somehow Trump isn't
> "status quo". Of course he is, he's used to be political. He's used to
> operating in and with the political spectrum, local and federal
> governments, etc. He's just not been a "politician" so he's been
> allowed to "get away with more" at a certain level.
>
> I really, truly don't believe that his presidential run is anything
> more than him masturbating his ego. He's always been pretty darn good
> at branding, this is kind of an extension of that IMO.
>
> *shrug* Just my $0.02 USD.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
> > I think you are wrong about Trump likely voters. Everyone that I have
> talked
> > to, admittedly an extremely unscientifically small sample size with zero
> > diversity, seem to be voting against all incumbent types instead of for
> > Trump. It seems they are all kind of sick of the status quot and would
> elect
> > an armadillo or a 5 year old if they had never held office. So, if you
> have
> > never held office and want to run now is the time. 4 or 6 years from now
> > everyone will likely figure out that like it or not, experience does
> count
> > for something.
> >
> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM Jaime Solorza  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Naw this lady is not young and doesn't represent much of Texas...but I
> see
> >> no distinction between her and Trump on unfounded beliefs with lemmings
> as
> >> followers...  lots of gullible people out there...if they could come up
> with
> >> a unique thought their heads would explode
> >>
> >> On May 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
> >>> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't
> see
> >>> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
> >>> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
> >>> I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a
> >>> scholarship to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In
> general, I
> >>> think they are as smart as we ever were.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
>  especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B
> program, we
>  would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
>  complete waste of human intelligence.
> 
>  Rory
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>  conservatives – and US schools
> 
>  I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
>  "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is
> having a
>  net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment
> of the
>  population, we are de-evolving.
> 
>  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
>  > 
>  >
>  > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>  > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>  > To: af@afmug.com
>  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical
> for
>  > conservatives – and US schools
>  >
>  >
>  > See Chemtrails...
>  >
>  > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around
>  >> Texas?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> bp
>  >> 
>  >>
>  >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>  >>>
>  >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and
> US
>  >>> schools
>  >>>
>  >>>
> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
>  >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >
>

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL I see that now :) I was looking for spelling errors!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Look at the pricing and the speed.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] old competition
>
> I didn't see a typo but there is a major grammatical error. "No one sells
> internet less". I assume they meant " for less" instead of selling less
> internet than anyone. Where is Al Gore when you need him to invent new ways
> to sell the internet.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow
>> page ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the
>> difference. We received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked
>> how they found us they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we
>> aren't in there.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major
>>> typo in there at first glance?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
 Hey...

 It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the
 brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with
 it for a year. LOL

 Travis


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL I see that now :) I was looking for spelling errors!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Look at the pricing and the speed.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] old competition
>
> I didn't see a typo but there is a major grammatical error. "No one sells
> internet less". I assume they meant " for less" instead of selling less
> internet than anyone. Where is Al Gore when you need him to invent new ways
> to sell the internet.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow
>> page ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the
>> difference. We received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked
>> how they found us they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we
>> aren't in there.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major
>>> typo in there at first glance?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
 Hey...

 It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the
 brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with
 it for a year. LOL

 Travis


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Chuck McCown]

Look at the pricing and the speed.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old competition

I didn't see a typo but there is a major grammatical error. "No one sells 
internet less". I assume they meant " for less" instead of selling less 
internet than anyone. Where is Al Gore when you need him to invent new ways to 
sell the internet.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow page 
ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the difference. We 
received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked how they found us 
they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we aren't in there.

  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major typo 
in there at first glance?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

  Hey...

  It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand 
new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it for a 
year. LOL

  Travis






-- 

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Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Lewis Bergman]

I didn't see a typo but there is a major grammatical error. "No one sells
internet less". I assume they meant " for less" instead of selling less
internet than anyone. Where is Al Gore when you need him to invent new ways
to sell the internet.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow
> page ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the
> difference. We received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked
> how they found us they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we
> aren't in there.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major
>> typo in there at first glance?
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey...
>>>
>>> It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the
>>> brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with
>>> it for a year. LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

no one sells internet less, maybe its a psyop to make people subconsciously
think its so good they dont have to even sell it that it sells itself

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow
> page ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the
> difference. We received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked
> how they found us they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we
> aren't in there.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major
>> typo in there at first glance?
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey...
>>>
>>> It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the
>>> brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with
>>> it for a year. LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Josh Reynolds]

This is the fascinating thing to me, is that somehow Trump isn't
"status quo". Of course he is, he's used to be political. He's used to
operating in and with the political spectrum, local and federal
governments, etc. He's just not been a "politician" so he's been
allowed to "get away with more" at a certain level.

I really, truly don't believe that his presidential run is anything
more than him masturbating his ego. He's always been pretty darn good
at branding, this is kind of an extension of that IMO.

*shrug* Just my $0.02 USD.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> I think you are wrong about Trump likely voters. Everyone that I have talked
> to, admittedly an extremely unscientifically small sample size with zero
> diversity, seem to be voting against all incumbent types instead of for
> Trump. It seems they are all kind of sick of the status quot and would elect
> an armadillo or a 5 year old if they had never held office. So, if you have
> never held office and want to run now is the time. 4 or 6 years from now
> everyone will likely figure out that like it or not, experience does count
> for something.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>>
>> Naw this lady is not young and doesn't represent much of Texas...but I see
>> no distinction between her and Trump on unfounded beliefs with lemmings as
>> followers...  lots of gullible people out there...if they could come up with
>> a unique thought their heads would explode
>>
>> On May 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
>>> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see
>>> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
>>> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
>>> I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a
>>> scholarship to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I
>>> think they are as smart as we ever were.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:

 I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
 especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we
 would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
 complete waste of human intelligence.

 Rory

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
 Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
 conservatives – and US schools

 I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
 "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a
 net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the
 population, we are de-evolving.

 On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 > 
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
 > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
 > conservatives – and US schools
 >
 >
 > See Chemtrails...
 >
 > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 >>
 >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around
 >> Texas?
 >>
 >>
 >> bp
 >> 
 >>
 >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
 >>>
 >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
 >>> schools
 >>>
 >>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
 >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
 >>>
 >>
 >

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Chuck McCown]

What’s a yellow page

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old competition

The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow page 
ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the difference. We 
received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked how they found us 
they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we aren't in there.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

  The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major typo in 
there at first glance?

  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

Hey...

It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand 
new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it for a 
year. LOL

Travis






  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Lewis Bergman]

The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow
page ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the
difference. We received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked
how they found us they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we
aren't in there.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major typo
> in there at first glance?
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hey...
>>
>> It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand
>> new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it
>> for a year. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

more is better cheaper

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> They didn't change their name to Rise?
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 24,
> 2016 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] old competition
> Hey...
>
> It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand
> new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it
> for a year. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we are sullying up the gene pool in contradiction to what mother nature
would prefer, theres no way to not acknowledge that. Eugenics is not good,
but its not all that bad either

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Naw this lady is not young and doesn't represent much of Texas...but I see
> no distinction between her and Trump on unfounded beliefs with lemmings as
> followers...  lots of gullible people out there...if they could come up
> with a unique thought their heads would explode
> On May 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
>> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see
>> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
>> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
>> I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a
>> scholarship to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I
>> think they are as smart as we ever were.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
>>> especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we
>>> would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
>>> complete waste of human intelligence.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>>> conservatives – and US schools
>>>
>>> I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
>>> "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a
>>> net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the
>>> population, we are de-evolving.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>>> > conservatives – and US schools
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > See Chemtrails...
>>> >
>>> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> bp
>>> >> 
>>> >>
>>> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>>> >>> schools
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
>>> >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Chuck McCown]

They didn't change their name to Rise?

-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:57 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] old competition 


Hey...

It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the 
brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live 
with it for a year. LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Lewis Bergman]

I think you are wrong about Trump likely voters. Everyone that I have
talked to, admittedly an extremely unscientifically small sample size with
zero diversity, seem to be voting against all incumbent types instead of
for Trump. It seems they are all kind of sick of the status quot and would
elect an armadillo or a 5 year old if they had never held office. So, if
you have never held office and want to run now is the time. 4 or 6 years
from now everyone will likely figure out that like it or not, experience
does count for something.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Naw this lady is not young and doesn't represent much of Texas...but I see
> no distinction between her and Trump on unfounded beliefs with lemmings as
> followers...  lots of gullible people out there...if they could come up
> with a unique thought their heads would explode
> On May 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
>> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see
>> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
>> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
>> I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a
>> scholarship to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I
>> think they are as smart as we ever were.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
>>> especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we
>>> would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
>>> complete waste of human intelligence.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>>> conservatives – and US schools
>>>
>>> I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
>>> "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a
>>> net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the
>>> population, we are de-evolving.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>>> > conservatives – and US schools
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > See Chemtrails...
>>> >
>>> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> bp
>>> >> 
>>> >>
>>> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>>> >>> schools
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
>>> >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Darin Steffl]

The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major typo
in there at first glance?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hey...
>
> It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand
> new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it
> for a year. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>


-- 
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Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Jaime Solorza]

Naw this lady is not young and doesn't represent much of Texas...but I see
no distinction between her and Trump on unfounded beliefs with lemmings as
followers...  lots of gullible people out there...if they could come up
with a unique thought their heads would explode
On May 24, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see
> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
> I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a
> scholarship to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I
> think they are as smart as we ever were.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
>> especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we
>> would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
>> complete waste of human intelligence.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>> I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
>> "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a
>> net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the
>> population, we are de-evolving.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> > conservatives – and US schools
>> >
>> >
>> > See Chemtrails...
>> >
>> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>> >>> schools
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
>> >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

[AFMUG] old competition

[Travis Johnson]

Hey...

It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the 
brand new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live 
with it for a year. LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?

[Mike Hammett]

They take feedback about as well too. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:36:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead? 


I think ubnt management has intentionally taken a page from the google 
playbook, with the method of 'try everything and be ready to abandon an 
unsuccessful product at any time'. But in this case with real manufacturing 
hardware rather than internet based services delivered in peoples' 
browsers/apps. 





On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Sam Lambie < samtaos...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There hasn't been a software upgrade in over a year, nor have many products 
been released in a while either. 


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie 
Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
575-758-7598 Office 
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Mathew Howard]

Just imagine how much progress we'd make if every generation wasn't
dumber/lazier than the previous! :P

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Generational bias seems to be a real thing. From the small amount of
> research I've done, every generation seems to think the following
> generation is dumber/lazier than the one before it - yet we keep
> making more and more scientific progress.
>
> It also happens in reverse.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
> > I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
> > stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see
> > evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
> > other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
> > I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a
> scholarship
> > to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I think they
> > are as smart as we ever were.
> >
> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
> >> especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program,
> we
> >> would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
> >> complete waste of human intelligence.
> >>
> >> Rory
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> >> conservatives – and US schools
> >>
> >> I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
> >> "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having
> a
> >> net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of
> the
> >> population, we are de-evolving.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> >> > To: af@afmug.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> >> > conservatives – and US schools
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > See Chemtrails...
> >> >
> >> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around
> Texas?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> bp
> >> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
> >> >>> schools
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
> >> >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Is Mfi dead?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I think ubnt management has intentionally taken a page from the google
playbook, with the method of 'try everything and be ready to abandon an
unsuccessful product at any time'.  But in this case with real
manufacturing hardware rather than internet based services delivered in
peoples' browsers/apps.



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> There hasn't been a software upgrade in over a year, nor have many
> products been released in a while either.
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Josh Reynolds]

Generational bias seems to be a real thing. From the small amount of
research I've done, every generation seems to think the following
generation is dumber/lazier than the one before it - yet we keep
making more and more scientific progress.

It also happens in reverse.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
> stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see
> evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
> other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
> I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a scholarship
> to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I think they
> are as smart as we ever were.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>> I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
>> especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we
>> would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
>> complete waste of human intelligence.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>> I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
>> "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a
>> net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the
>> population, we are de-evolving.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> > conservatives – and US schools
>> >
>> >
>> > See Chemtrails...
>> >
>> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>> >>> schools
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
>> >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >

Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

[Eric Kuhnke]

I am not sure how there could be, it is pretty much the polar opposite of a
modulation and FEC that approaches the shannon limit.

There are all sorts of satellite comm things (commercial and military) that
will fall back to a BPSK 1/2 code rate during bad rain fade events in Ku,
Ka and Q bands.


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Is there a modulation more robust than OOK?
> Perhaps phase correlated for noise rejection.
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps
>
> There are some upcoming 60 GHz band 10 Gbps radios which are OOK (or BPSK)
> simply for the increased link budget, and because it makes them simpler to
> manufacture... The free GHz are there to use and it falls off so quickly in
> the air.  They're trying to get to high reliability in 4 to 5 nines at
> 750-800 meters.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Even simpler.  Crystal radio could demod those.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps
>>
>>
>> All of the first gen commercial 80 GHz products from 2006-2007 (gigabeam,
>> Bridgewave) are basically OOK and use 5GHz each direction FDD, 1Gbps.
>> On May 24, 2016 6:26 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Well when you have 5 GHz of BW, getting 6 Gbps out of it is not much of
>>> a stretch.  FSK would work for that.
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:01 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps
>>>
>>> 1 watt?  They're feeding +30dBm Tx power into a 52dbi (60cm size) gain
>>> antenna?
>>>
>>> I bet it's only 37 km in clear sunny skies but that's still quite
>>> powerful.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 "Transmitting the contents of a conventional DVD in under ten seconds
 by radio transmission is incredibly fast -- and a new world record in
 wireless data transmission. With a data rate of 6 Gigabit per second
 over a distance of 37 kilometers, a collaborative project with the
 parti­ci­pa­tion of researchers from the University of Stuttgart and
 the Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Solid State Physics IAF exceeded
 the state of the art by a factor of 10."

 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160523083819.htm

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation Question

[Lewis Bergman]

we ran SM isolation on all our AP's and never had to disable it when we
used /30's and tunneling.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:16 PM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> Yeah I was trying to keep this simple and leaving isolation on but it
> looks like on that ap ill have to disable it.  For what it is worth, I do
> believe that anyone that wants to run vpns between locations should be able
> to do it without any special treatment,
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation Question
>
>
>
> Disable SM isolation or route between them (/30's or whatever).
>
> On 5/24/2016 11:36 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
>
> Example:
>
> I have a 450 Access Point that has 3 sms belonging to one company with 3
> sites.
>
> This client wants to have vpns between all locations.� They are all on
> the same layer 2 network (same vlan)
>
> �
>
> Options and expected outcomes
>
> � Disable SM Isolation (the default selection). This allows full
> communication between SMs.
>
> -  Works fine, all traffic can pass, Expected�..
>
> ���������������
>
> � Enable Option 1 - Block SM destined packets from being forwarded.
> This prevents both multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication.
>
> -  Doesn�t work, can establish connections between sms.�
> Expected��
>
> �
>
> � Enable Option 2 - Forward SM destined packets upstream. This not only
> prevents multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication but also
> sends the packets, which otherwise may have been handled SM to SM, through
> the Ethernet port of the AP.
>
> -  Doesn�t work, I thought this would work, I assumed all
> packets would be sent upstream to the router than the router would send it
> back to the clients, similar to how mac forced forwarding works on my fiber
> network.�
>
> �
>
> So I guess my question is �Am I totally miss understanding what option 2
> does?� Is the only possible way to allow vpn traffic between sms on the
> same access points have to have �Disable SM Isolation set?�
>
> �
>
> Thanks, Craig.
>
> �
>
> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>
> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>
> *Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058*
>
> *Direct: 402-372-1052*
>
> �
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Eric Kuhnke]

Didn't you know Idiocracy was a documentary?

http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/bison-calf-euthanized-after-tourists-put-it-in-back-of-suv-nps-says

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> There seems to be this belief that science is some recent fad being
> foisted upon us, and we need to go back to some previous, supposedly better
> time like the 50's or 80's.  But I was born in the 50's, and I can vouch
> that it was a very pro-science time.  The Reagan years were pro-science.
> In my 65 years on this earth, I cannot remember a previous time when people
> - even religious people - were anti science and anti education.
>
> When was this wonderful period before science intruded on our lives?  They
> can't mean the Industrial Revolution, or the Renaissance.  Are they talking
> about the Middle Ages?  History books would tell us those weren't wonderful
> times.  Or is that why we need to rewrite the history books?
>
> It really does seem like movies predict the future.  In this case,
> Idiocracy.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
> especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we
> would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
> complete waste of human intelligence.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
> "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a
> net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the
> population, we are de-evolving.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>>
>> See Chemtrails...
>>
>> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>


 What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!

 Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
 schools

 http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
 ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum


>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

[Chuck McCown]

Is there a modulation more robust than OOK?
Perhaps phase correlated for noise rejection.


From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

There are some upcoming 60 GHz band 10 Gbps radios which are OOK (or BPSK) 
simply for the increased link budget, and because it makes them simpler to 
manufacture... The free GHz are there to use and it falls off so quickly in the 
air.  They're trying to get to high reliability in 4 to 5 nines at 750-800 
meters.


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Even simpler.  Crystal radio could demod those.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

  All of the first gen commercial 80 GHz products from 2006-2007 (gigabeam, 
Bridgewave) are basically OOK and use 5GHz each direction FDD, 1Gbps.

  On May 24, 2016 6:26 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Well when you have 5 GHz of BW, getting 6 Gbps out of it is not much of a 
stretch.  FSK would work for that.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

1 watt?  They're feeding +30dBm Tx power into a 52dbi (60cm size) gain 
antenna?  


I bet it's only 37 km in clear sunny skies but that's still quite powerful.


On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  "Transmitting the contents of a conventional DVD in under ten seconds
  by radio transmission is incredibly fast -- and a new world record in
  wireless data transmission. With a data rate of 6 Gigabit per second
  over a distance of 37 kilometers, a collaborative project with the
  parti­ci­pa­tion of researchers from the University of Stuttgart and
  the Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Solid State Physics IAF exceeded
  the state of the art by a factor of 10."

  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160523083819.htm

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Lewis Bergman]

I would have to take exception to the whole "the younger generation is
stupid" . Yes, there are a ton of stupid people out there but I don't see
evidence that the younger generations is any less intelligent than any
other. Less experienced of course, just not dumber.
I realize the anecdotal nature but for example, My nephew got a scholarship
to go to Georgia Tech for Aerospace engineering. In general, I think they
are as smart as we ever were.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation,
> especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we
> would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a
> complete waste of human intelligence.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
> "survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a
> net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the
> population, we are de-evolving.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> > 
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> > conservatives – and US schools
> >
> >
> > See Chemtrails...
> >
> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>
> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
> >>>
> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
> >>> schools
> >>>
> >>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
> >>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

[Eric Kuhnke]

There are some upcoming 60 GHz band 10 Gbps radios which are OOK (or BPSK)
simply for the increased link budget, and because it makes them simpler to
manufacture... The free GHz are there to use and it falls off so quickly in
the air.  They're trying to get to high reliability in 4 to 5 nines at
750-800 meters.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Even simpler.  Crystal radio could demod those.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps
>
>
> All of the first gen commercial 80 GHz products from 2006-2007 (gigabeam,
> Bridgewave) are basically OOK and use 5GHz each direction FDD, 1Gbps.
> On May 24, 2016 6:26 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Well when you have 5 GHz of BW, getting 6 Gbps out of it is not much of a
>> stretch.  FSK would work for that.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:01 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps
>>
>> 1 watt?  They're feeding +30dBm Tx power into a 52dbi (60cm size) gain
>> antenna?
>>
>> I bet it's only 37 km in clear sunny skies but that's still quite
>> powerful.
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Transmitting the contents of a conventional DVD in under ten seconds
>>> by radio transmission is incredibly fast -- and a new world record in
>>> wireless data transmission. With a data rate of 6 Gigabit per second
>>> over a distance of 37 kilometers, a collaborative project with the
>>> parti­ci­pa­tion of researchers from the University of Stuttgart and
>>> the Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Solid State Physics IAF exceeded
>>> the state of the art by a factor of 10."
>>>
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160523083819.htm
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation Question

[Craig Schmaderer]

Yeah I was trying to keep this simple and leaving isolation on but it looks 
like on that ap ill have to disable it.  For what it is worth, I do believe 
that anyone that wants to run vpns between locations should be able to do it 
without any special treatment,

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation Question

Disable SM isolation or route between them (/30's or whatever).
On 5/24/2016 11:36 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Example:
I have a 450 Access Point that has 3 sms belonging to one company with 3 sites.
This client wants to have vpns between all locations.� They are all on the 
same layer 2 network (same vlan)
�
Options and expected outcomes
*** Disable SM Isolation (the default selection). This allows full 
communication between SMs.

-  Works fine, all traffic can pass, Expected�..
���������������
*** Enable Option 1 - Block SM destined packets from being forwarded. This 
prevents both multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication.

-  Doesn�t work, can establish connections between sms.� 
Expected��

�
*** Enable Option 2 - Forward SM destined packets upstream. This not only 
prevents multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication but also sends 
the packets, which otherwise may have been handled SM to SM, through the 
Ethernet port of the AP.

-  Doesn�t work, I thought this would work, I assumed all packets 
would be sent upstream to the router than the router would send it back to the 
clients, similar to how mac forced forwarding works on my fiber network.�
�
So I guess my question is �Am I totally miss understanding what option 2 
does?� Is the only possible way to allow vpn traffic between sms on the same 
access points have to have �Disable SM Isolation set?�
�
Thanks, Craig.
�
Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Ken Hohhof]

There seems to be this belief that science is some recent fad being foisted 
upon us, and we need to go back to some previous, supposedly better time 
like the 50's or 80's.  But I was born in the 50's, and I can vouch that it 
was a very pro-science time.  The Reagan years were pro-science.  In my 65 
years on this earth, I cannot remember a previous time when people - even 
religious people - were anti science and anti education.


When was this wonderful period before science intruded on our lives?  They 
can't mean the Industrial Revolution, or the Renaissance.  Are they talking 
about the Middle Ages?  History books would tell us those weren't wonderful 
times.  Or is that why we need to rewrite the history books?


It really does seem like movies predict the future.  In this case, 
Idiocracy.



-Original Message- 
From: Rory Conaway

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools


I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation, 
especially in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we 
would be a nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a 
complete waste of human intelligence.


Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools


I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of "survival 
of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a net-negative 
effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the population, 
we are de-evolving.


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:



-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US schools


See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?


bp


On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:



What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!

Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
schools

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum

Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

[Chuck McCown]

Even simpler.  Crystal radio could demod those.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

All of the first gen commercial 80 GHz products from 2006-2007 (gigabeam, 
Bridgewave) are basically OOK and use 5GHz each direction FDD, 1Gbps.

On May 24, 2016 6:26 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Well when you have 5 GHz of BW, getting 6 Gbps out of it is not much of a 
stretch.  FSK would work for that.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:01 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

  1 watt?  They're feeding +30dBm Tx power into a 52dbi (60cm size) gain 
antenna?  


  I bet it's only 37 km in clear sunny skies but that's still quite powerful.


  On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

"Transmitting the contents of a conventional DVD in under ten seconds
by radio transmission is incredibly fast -- and a new world record in
wireless data transmission. With a data rate of 6 Gigabit per second
over a distance of 37 kilometers, a collaborative project with the
parti­ci­pa­tion of researchers from the University of Stuttgart and
the Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Solid State Physics IAF exceeded
the state of the art by a factor of 10."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160523083819.htm

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/24/16 13:33, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
"survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is
having a net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow
segment of the population, we are de-evolving.



Let me know when we break ground on St. God's Memorial Hospital.

Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps

[Eric Kuhnke]

All of the first gen commercial 80 GHz products from 2006-2007 (gigabeam,
Bridgewave) are basically OOK and use 5GHz each direction FDD, 1Gbps.
On May 24, 2016 6:26 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Well when you have 5 GHz of BW, getting 6 Gbps out of it is not much of a
> stretch.  FSK would work for that.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 37Km, 6Gbps
>
> 1 watt?  They're feeding +30dBm Tx power into a 52dbi (60cm size) gain
> antenna?
>
> I bet it's only 37 km in clear sunny skies but that's still quite powerful.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> "Transmitting the contents of a conventional DVD in under ten seconds
>> by radio transmission is incredibly fast -- and a new world record in
>> wireless data transmission. With a data rate of 6 Gigabit per second
>> over a distance of 37 kilometers, a collaborative project with the
>> parti­ci­pa­tion of researchers from the University of Stuttgart and
>> the Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Solid State Physics IAF exceeded
>> the state of the art by a factor of 10."
>>
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160523083819.htm
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Rory Conaway]

I think we are going backwards in terms of education and motivation, especially 
in science, in the U.S.  If it wasn't for the H1-B program, we would be a 
nation of morons.  This generation for the most part is a complete waste of 
human intelligence.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of "survival of 
the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is having a net-negative 
effect on our species. Except for a very narrow segment of the population, we 
are de-evolving.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
> conservatives – and US schools
>
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US 
>>> schools
>>>
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-educat
>>> ion-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Josh Reynolds]

I think I've gotten to the point where I believe that the lack of
"survival of the fittest" (and sometimes simply the luckiest) is
having a net-negative effect on our species. Except for a very narrow
segment of the population, we are de-evolving.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>>> schools
>>>
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Robert Andrews]

The relationship between Sheldon and his mother is one of the true 
proofs of the brilliance of Chuck Lorre.   Ruining his relationship with 
Chuck Lorre is the proof that Charlie Sheen is brain dead..  That said 
finding out you have HIV would probably drive a lot of wealthy people 
off the deep end..


On 05/24/2016 11:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

i bow my head in shame..I feel like Sheldon ...trying to teach
evolution to creationists

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Robert Andrews > wrote:

Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:



-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for
conservatives – and US schools

See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going
around Texas?


bp


On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!

Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US
schools

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Robert Andrews]

They move to Phoenix to live off their retired parents who had enough 
brains and good fortune to save for retirement...


On 05/24/2016 01:21 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Like Phoenix?  Explains quite a bit.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US schools

They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...

*From:*Rory Conaway 

*Sent:*Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters
World sometime.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US schools

For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to
teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's
best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out
idiotic crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of
it. Yikes.

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews > wrote:

Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To:af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>>> schools

>>>http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

[Ryan Mano]

?i alsways find auto on cisco is betterwhen i try to lock it down radios 
are always half duplex or vice versa


From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

I have had lots of problems with Cisco auto.  I always lock it down.

From: Ryan Mano
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors


?cisco gear... i leave auto on ciscos


From: Af  on behalf of Andreas Wiatowski 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

What type of switches/routers do you use? Mikrotiks...can be very problematic.

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors


brand new...i replaced the old moto ones (beige? ones)


From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

CRC errors are frequently a surge suppressor issue.  Sometimes they get wounded 
and cause errors.

From: Ryan Mano
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors


?i am using chucks surges and no there is no FM radio on them


From: Af > on behalf of Sean 
Heskett >
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

do the towers have and FM radio stations on them?

-sean


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Ryan Mano 
> wrote:

most of my battles are at the tower...checking surges checking cables...all 
check out and I still end up replacing it

also I notice an increase in Ethernet Link Detected and Ethernet Link Lost  
under stats in cambium radios either being APs ot BHs




From: Af > on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof >
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

If this is customer end, we get surge suppressors partly blown by lightning 
causing CRC errors.  Next most common is critters partly chewing through cable.


From: Justin Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

A lot of what I have seen is probably just from personal experience, which 
makes it not too scientific.  For example, We typically hardest the UBNT radios 
and left the Mikrotiks to auto.  Things seemed happier this way. The Gigabit 
specification says it should be auto everything. Sometimes this can have issues 
between vendors.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth
http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

On May 24, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Ryan Mano 
> wrote:


Want to hear how you guys go about handling crc errors on your radios?

Like check duplex or check cables etc.

Noticing in the past month or so am seeing an increase in crc errorswhen I 
doI change the duplex from 100 to 10base and it runs with no errors but the 
customer are not happy...sometimes I just can't put it into 100base crc just go 
nuts

Lets here your battles with crc's

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Rory Conaway]

Like Phoenix?  Explains quite a bit.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters World 
sometime.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to teach 
religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's best 
friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out idiotic crap 
is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of it. Yikes.

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>>> schools
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Robert Andrews]

Now it's John Ringo...

On 05/24/2016 12:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Damn. Now I have to rummage through my dusty book pile.


bp


On 5/24/2016 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

And then Huxley and Orwell when you get the primary ones done.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical
for conservatives – and US schools

Heinlein, Herbert, Asimov. That's the shortest list.

bp


On 5/24/2016 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Dats cuz they ain’t never read Heinlein.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical
for conservatives – and US schools

There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the
warmer climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain
damage.

I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I
draw the line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.

Some people just never grokked the first amendment.

bp


On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when
they forget to wear coats or come inside?

I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me
exclaim how the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in
30 days. She had a lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of
complaining about the electorate but it can't be all bad with this
type of ignorance.


On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
*From:* Rory Conaway 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch
Waters World sometime.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for conservatives – and US schools

For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants
government to teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do,
or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We
like man's best friend down here but not like that. Having
someone just bulky out idiotic crap is bad enough but to have
people vote for you because of it. Yikes.

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican
primaries.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going
around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US
>>> schools
>>>

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Robert Andrews]

They tend to die in the colder climates..  Something about going outside 
without clothes on...


On 05/24/2016 11:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
*From:* Rory Conaway 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters
World sometime.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US schools

For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to
teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's
best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out
idiotic crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of
it. Yikes.

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews > wrote:

Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 > 
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
 > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
 > To: af@afmug.com 
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
 > conservatives – and US schools
 >
 > See Chemtrails...
 >
 > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around
Texas?
 >>
 >>
 >> bp
 >> 
 >>
 >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
 >>>
 >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
 >>>
 >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives –
and US
 >>> schools
 >>>

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
 >>>
 >>>
 >>
 >

Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

[Chuck McCown]

I have had lots of problems with Cisco auto.  I always lock it down.  

From: Ryan Mano 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

​cisco gear... i leave auto on ciscos





From: Af  on behalf of Andreas Wiatowski 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors 

What type of switches/routers do you use? Mikrotiks…can be very problematic.



Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors



brand new...i replaced the old moto ones (beige​ ones) 




From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors 



CRC errors are frequently a surge suppressor issue.  Sometimes they get wounded 
and cause errors.  



From: Ryan Mano 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:24 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors



​i am using chucks surges and no there is no FM radio on them




From: Af  on behalf of Sean Heskett 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors 



do the towers have and FM radio stations on them? 



-sean





On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Ryan Mano  wrote:

  most of my battles are at the tower...checking surges checking cables...all 
check out and I still end up replacing it



  also I notice an increase in Ethernet Link Detected and Ethernet Link Lost  
under stats in cambium radios either being APs ot BHs




--

  From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors 



  If this is customer end, we get surge suppressors partly blown by lightning 
causing CRC errors.  Next most common is critters partly chewing through cable.





  From: Justin Wilson 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:46 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors



  A lot of what I have seen is probably just from personal experience, which 
makes it not too scientific.  For example, We typically hardest the UBNT radios 
and left the Mikrotiks to auto.  Things seemed happier this way. The Gigabit 
specification says it should be auto everything. Sometimes this can have issues 
between vendors. 







  Justin Wilson

  j...@mtin.net



  ---
  http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO

  xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

  http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman

  Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric



On May 24, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Ryan Mano  wrote:





Want to hear how you guys go about handling crc errors on your radios?



Like check duplex or check cables etc.



Noticing in the past month or so am seeing an increase in crc errors….when 
I do….I change the duplex from 100 to 10base and it runs with no errors but the 
customer are not happy…sometimes I just can’t put it into 100base crc just go 
nuts



Lets here your battles with crc’s

Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

[Ryan Mano]

?cisco gear... i leave auto on ciscos


From: Af  on behalf of Andreas Wiatowski 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

What type of switches/routers do you use? Mikrotiks...can be very problematic.

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors


brand new...i replaced the old moto ones (beige? ones)


From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

CRC errors are frequently a surge suppressor issue.  Sometimes they get wounded 
and cause errors.

From: Ryan Mano
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors


?i am using chucks surges and no there is no FM radio on them


From: Af > on behalf of Sean 
Heskett >
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

do the towers have and FM radio stations on them?

-sean


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Ryan Mano 
> wrote:

most of my battles are at the tower...checking surges checking cables...all 
check out and I still end up replacing it

also I notice an increase in Ethernet Link Detected and Ethernet Link Lost  
under stats in cambium radios either being APs ot BHs




From: Af > on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof >
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

If this is customer end, we get surge suppressors partly blown by lightning 
causing CRC errors.  Next most common is critters partly chewing through cable.


From: Justin Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

A lot of what I have seen is probably just from personal experience, which 
makes it not too scientific.  For example, We typically hardest the UBNT radios 
and left the Mikrotiks to auto.  Things seemed happier this way. The Gigabit 
specification says it should be auto everything. Sometimes this can have issues 
between vendors.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth
http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

On May 24, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Ryan Mano 
> wrote:


Want to hear how you guys go about handling crc errors on your radios?

Like check duplex or check cables etc.

Noticing in the past month or so am seeing an increase in crc errorswhen I 
doI change the duplex from 100 to 10base and it runs with no errors but the 
customer are not happy...sometimes I just can't put it into 100base crc just go 
nuts

Lets here your battles with crc's

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Craig Schmaderer]

Crap, I didn't realize that it doesn't do 1gb but I do remember that being 
talked about a while back, I guess I will go back to a ctm2 or maybe call 
forest and look at a sync pipe.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Nothing will change to enable that on the CMM4.  The CMM5 is coming in the next 
quarter that will indeed support this.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Big question is...can we get the ccm4 to do 1GB? Or do we have to wait for a 
CMM5?

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Also, Craig... this is the exact reason that we made the dongle available.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

I use the dongles when I feed them from a CTM2 set for 430 power.  At first I 
made my own, but now just buying the premade ones.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it looks 
like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was an after 
thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the feeder cables 
but then someone in the future might assume they are normal 568 cables and blow 
something up, at least this way they see the dongle and ask questions to why 
does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Matt Mangriotis]

Nothing will change to enable that on the CMM4.  The CMM5 is coming in the next 
quarter that will indeed support this.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Big question is...can we get the ccm4 to do 1GB? Or do we have to wait for a 
CMM5?

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Also, Craig... this is the exact reason that we made the dongle available.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

I use the dongles when I feed them from a CTM2 set for 430 power.  At first I 
made my own, but now just buying the premade ones.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it looks 
like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was an after 
thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the feeder cables 
but then someone in the future might assume they are normal 568 cables and blow 
something up, at least this way they see the dongle and ask questions to why 
does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Big question is...can we get the ccm4 to do 1GB? Or do we have to wait for a 
CMM5?

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Also, Craig... this is the exact reason that we made the dongle available.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

I use the dongles when I feed them from a CTM2 set for 430 power.  At first I 
made my own, but now just buying the premade ones.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it looks 
like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was an after 
thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the feeder cables 
but then someone in the future might assume they are normal 568 cables and blow 
something up, at least this way they see the dongle and ask questions to why 
does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Matt Mangriotis]

Also, Craig... this is the exact reason that we made the dongle available.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

I use the dongles when I feed them from a CTM2 set for 430 power.  At first I 
made my own, but now just buying the premade ones.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it looks 
like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was an after 
thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the feeder cables 
but then someone in the future might assume they are normal 568 cables and blow 
something up, at least this way they see the dongle and ask questions to why 
does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Bill Prince]

Damn. Now I have to rummage through my dusty book pile.


bp


On 5/24/2016 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

And then Huxley and Orwell when you get the primary ones done.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical 
for conservatives – and US schools


Heinlein, Herbert, Asimov. That's the shortest list.

bp


On 5/24/2016 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Dats cuz they ain’t never read Heinlein.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical 
for conservatives – and US schools


There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the 
warmer climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain 
damage.


I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I 
draw the line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.


Some people just never grokked the first amendment.

bp


On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when 
they forget to wear coats or come inside?


I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me 
exclaim how the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 
30 days. She had a lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of 
complaining about the electorate but it can't be all bad with this 
type of ignorance.



On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
*From:* Rory Conaway 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch
Waters World sometime.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for conservatives – and US schools

For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants
government to teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do,
or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We
like man's best friend down here but not like that. Having
someone just bulky out idiotic crap is bad enough but to have
people vote for you because of it. Yikes.

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican
primaries.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going
around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US
>>> schools
>>>

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Ken Hohhof]

I use the dongles when I feed them from a CTM2 set for 430 power.  At first I 
made my own, but now just buying the premade ones.

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM4 Question

Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it looks 
like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was an after 
thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the feeder cables 
but then someone in the future might assume they are normal 568 cables and blow 
something up, at least this way they see the dongle and ask questions to why 
does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.

 

Craig R. Schmaderer

CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

Direct: 402-372-1052

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Chuck McCown]

Lewis Padgett
Mimsy were the borogoves.  (Was actually two writers sharing the same pen name).

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:08 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

Cummings Norton  Pohl 

On May 24, 2016 1:06 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  Heinlein, Herbert, Asimov. That's the shortest list.



bp


On 5/24/2016 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Dats cuz they ain’t never read Heinlein.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the warmer 
climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain damage.

I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I draw 
the line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.

Some people just never grokked the first amendment.


bp


On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when they 
forget to wear coats or come inside?

  I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me exclaim 
how the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 30 days. She had a 
lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of complaining about the electorate 
but it can't be all bad with this type of ignorance. 



  On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters 
World sometime.  



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools




For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to 
teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's 
best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out idiotic 
crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of it. Yikes. 

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican 
primaries. 



On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews  
wrote:

  Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

  On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
  > 
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical 
for
  > conservatives – and US schools
  >
  > See Chemtrails...
  >
  > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
  >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around 
Texas?
  >>
  >>
  >> bp
  >> 
  >>
  >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  >>>
  >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
  >>>
  >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and 
US
  >>> schools
  >>> 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >

[AFMUG] CMM4 Question

[Craig Schmaderer]

Those of you that are using them, do you use the dongles for the 450i, it looks 
like they are flipping the polarity on pins 5 and7, I assume this was an after 
thought when they moved to poe standard.  I could do it on the feeder cables 
but then someone in the future might assume they are normal 568 cables and blow 
something up, at least this way they see the dongle and ask questions to why 
does this feeder cable have a dongle?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Chuck McCown]

And then Huxley and Orwell when you get the primary ones done.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

Heinlein, Herbert, Asimov. That's the shortest list.



bp


On 5/24/2016 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Dats cuz they ain’t never read Heinlein.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

  There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the warmer 
climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain damage.

  I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I draw the 
line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.

  Some people just never grokked the first amendment.


bp


On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when they 
forget to wear coats or come inside?

I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me exclaim how 
the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 30 days. She had a lot 
of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of complaining about the electorate but 
it can't be all bad with this type of ignorance. 



On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...

  From: Rory Conaway 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

  There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters 
World sometime.  



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools




  For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to 
teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.

  Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's 
best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out idiotic 
crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of it. Yikes. 

  I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries. 



  On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews  
wrote:

Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around 
Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>>> schools
>>> 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Jaime Solorza]

Cummings Norton  Pohl
On May 24, 2016 1:06 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Heinlein, Herbert, Asimov. That's the shortest list.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/24/2016 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Dats cuz they ain’t never read Heinlein.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
>
> There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the warmer
> climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain damage.
>
> I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I draw
> the line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.
>
> Some people just never grokked the first amendment.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when they
> forget to wear coats or come inside?
>
> I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me exclaim
> how the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 30 days. She
> had a lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of complaining about the
> electorate but it can't be all bad with this type of ignorance.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>>
>> There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters
>> World sometime.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>>
>>
>> For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to
>> teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.
>>
>> Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's
>> best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out
>> idiotic crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of it.
>> Yikes.
>>
>> I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...
>>
>> On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> > conservatives – and US schools
>> >
>> > See Chemtrails...
>> >
>> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>> >>> schools
>> >>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Bill Prince]

Heinlein, Herbert, Asimov. That's the shortest list.


bp


On 5/24/2016 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Dats cuz they ain’t never read Heinlein.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical 
for conservatives – and US schools


There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the 
warmer climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain damage.


I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I 
draw the line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.


Some people just never grokked the first amendment.

bp


On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when 
they forget to wear coats or come inside?


I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me 
exclaim how the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 
30 days. She had a lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of 
complaining about the electorate but it can't be all bad with this 
type of ignorance.



On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
*From:* Rory Conaway 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch
Waters World sometime.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for conservatives – and US schools

For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government
to teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like
man's best friend down here but not like that. Having someone
just bulky out idiotic crap is bad enough but to have people vote
for you because of it. Yikes.

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican
primaries.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

Coke zero : See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going
around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US
>>> schools
>>>

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Jaime Solorza]

she might have seen it on Ancient Aliens..

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when they
> forget to wear coats or come inside?
>
> I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me exclaim
> how the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 30 days. She
> had a lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of complaining about the
> electorate but it can't be all bad with this type of ignorance.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>>
>> There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters
>> World sometime.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>>
>>
>> For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to
>> teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.
>>
>> Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's
>> best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out
>> idiotic crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of it.
>> Yikes.
>>
>> I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...
>>
>> On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> > conservatives – and US schools
>> >
>> > See Chemtrails...
>> >
>> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>> >>> schools
>> >>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Jaime Solorza]

I HAVE.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Dats cuz they ain’t never read Heinlein.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
>
> There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the warmer
> climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain damage.
>
> I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I draw
> the line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.
>
> Some people just never grokked the first amendment.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when they
> forget to wear coats or come inside?
>
> I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me exclaim
> how the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 30 days. She
> had a lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of complaining about the
> electorate but it can't be all bad with this type of ignorance.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown < 
> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>>
>> There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters
>> World sometime.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> conservatives – and US schools
>>
>>
>>
>> For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to
>> teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.
>>
>> Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's
>> best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out
>> idiotic crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of it.
>> Yikes.
>>
>> I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews < 
>> i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>> Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...
>>
>> On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
>> > conservatives – and US schools
>> >
>> > See Chemtrails...
>> >
>> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
>> >>> schools
>> >>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Chuck McCown]

Dats cuz they ain’t never read Heinlein.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the warmer 
climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain damage.

I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I draw the 
line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.

Some people just never grokked the first amendment.


bp


On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when they 
forget to wear coats or come inside?

  I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me exclaim how 
the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 30 days. She had a lot 
of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of complaining about the electorate but 
it can't be all bad with this type of ignorance. 



  On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters World 
sometime.  



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools




For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to teach 
religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's 
best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out idiotic 
crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of it. Yikes. 

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries. 



On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

  Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

  On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
  > 
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
  > conservatives – and US schools
  >
  > See Chemtrails...
  >
  > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
  >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
  >>
  >>
  >> bp
  >> 
  >>
  >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  >>>
  >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
  >>>
  >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
  >>> schools
  >>> 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Bill Prince]

There are probably complimentary explanations. I like that in the warmer 
climates, people stay out in the sun too long and get brain damage.


I'm happy to let people believe whatever they want to believe, but I 
draw the line on making someone else have to believe what you believe.


Some people just never grokked the first amendment.

bp


On 5/24/2016 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when 
they forget to wear coats or come inside?


I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me 
exclaim how the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 30 
days. She had a lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of 
complaining about the electorate but it can't be all bad with this 
type of ignorance.



On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
*From:* Rory Conaway 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for conservatives – and US schools

There are insane and uneducated people everywhere. Just watch
Waters World sometime.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for conservatives – and US schools

For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government
to teach religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.

Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like
man's best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just
bulky out idiotic crap is bad enough but to have people vote for
you because of it. Yikes.

I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican
primaries.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews
> wrote:

Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...

On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is
critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
> See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going
around Texas?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
>>>
>>> Texas board of education vote is critical for
conservatives – and US
>>> schools
>>>

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Lewis Bergman]

That's because the dumb ones up north get killed off in winter when they
forget to wear coats or come inside?

I just got through listening to a woman at the table next to me exclaim how
the Mayans built their 50 story pyramids in the U.S. in 30 days. She had a
lot of detail in her "story". I hear a lot of complaining about the
electorate but it can't be all bad with this type of ignorance.

On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:44 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> They tend to congregate in the warmer climates...
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
>
> There are insane and uneducated people everywhere.  Just watch Waters
> World sometime.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:38 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> conservatives – and US schools
>
>
>
> For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone wants government to teach
> religion. Whether you believe, which I do, or not.
>
> Maybe the opponent slept with someone's dog or something. We like man's
> best friend down here but not like that. Having someone just bulky out
> idiotic crap is bad enough but to have people vote for you because of it.
> Yikes.
>
> I blame all those illegal immigrants voting in the Republican primaries.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016, 1:21 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> Coke zero :   See Chemtrails...
>
> On 05/24/2016 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > 
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for
> > conservatives – and US schools
> >
> > See Chemtrails...
> >
> > On 05/24/2016 10:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> Wow. Is there some sort of aerially-disbursed drug going around Texas?
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 5/24/2016 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What a fucking moron...heaven help us!!!
> >>>
> >>> Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US
> >>> schools
> >>>
> http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/24/texas-board-of-education-election-conservatives-public-schools-curriculum
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation Question

[Seth Mattinen]

Sell the customer a VPLS-based solution.

~Seth