Re: [AFMUG] rodent repellant

[Jaime Solorza]

Very common around here to grow peppermint around homes and gardens...helps
keep critters away...
On Jun 15, 2016 9:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> What you don't like pussycats? Find a few ferrel cats... let them
> clean our place and move on.
> On Jun 15, 2016 9:33 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I remember a thread about Mouse Magic.  We are in a tower shelter that
>> has a mouse problem, and I couldn't find the rodent killer place packs I
>> was looking for, but the hardware store had packets of Mouse Magic.
>> Basically like big tea bags filled with peppermint/spearmint impregnated
>> ground corn cobs.  Quite pricey.
>>
>> I put 12 packets of Mouse Magic in the 10x16 shelter yesterday, was back
>> today and it smelled very minty fresh inside.
>>
>> But I also stopped at Rural King to get the poison I originally wanted,
>> and I noticed they carried bottles of peppermint spray called Rodent
>> Sheriff.  I think it was 8 oz for $10.  I don't know if it works, but
>> that's a lot cheaper than Mouse Magic.
>>
>> https://www.rodentsheriff.com/
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] rodent repellant

[Jaime Solorza]

What you don't like pussycats? Find a few ferrel cats... let them
clean our place and move on.
On Jun 15, 2016 9:33 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I remember a thread about Mouse Magic.  We are in a tower shelter that has
> a mouse problem, and I couldn't find the rodent killer place packs I was
> looking for, but the hardware store had packets of Mouse Magic.  Basically
> like big tea bags filled with peppermint/spearmint impregnated ground corn
> cobs.  Quite pricey.
>
> I put 12 packets of Mouse Magic in the 10x16 shelter yesterday, was back
> today and it smelled very minty fresh inside.
>
> But I also stopped at Rural King to get the poison I originally wanted,
> and I noticed they carried bottles of peppermint spray called Rodent
> Sheriff.  I think it was 8 oz for $10.  I don't know if it works, but
> that's a lot cheaper than Mouse Magic.
>
> https://www.rodentsheriff.com/
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird 450 SM

[George Skorup]

Yep, build 17 is working pretty good for me too across a couple sectors.

On 6/15/2016 10:10 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
14.1.2(beta 17) is extremely stable.  They should be releasing the 
final 14.1.2 any day now.


-Sean

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, David Milholen > wrote:


At least move to 13.4 it has been really stable for us but have
been doing beta on our 3.65 gear.



On 6/15/2016 11:27 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Mine was 13.2.1

On 6/15/2016 11:23 AM, David wrote:

Which Firmware was this?


On 06/15/2016 11:18 AM, TJ Burbank wrote:

I have had 3 radios do this exact same thing but could never
bring them back to life.

Working 1 days the next not registering. AP Eval showed
nothing, SA showed energy on AP frequency, factory defaults,
firmware upgrades, etc... Still nothing.

How long did you let SA run before switching it off?

-TJ

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:44 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

One of the guys brought me in a 5GHz 450 SM today. Said it
saw no APs in the eval list. Sure enough, power it up on my
desk and it can't see the AP at the top of our NOC SSV.
Factory default, still nothing. But the spectrum analyzer
shows that the AP's RF energy is there. After stopping the
SA and letting it scan, bam... there's the AP in the eval
list now. Coincidence?

The event log does show a couple 'XO trim at min diff'
messages. Maybe this thing stored a bad frequency offset
and the SA fixed it? Question is now, do I assume it's
fixed and try to redeploy it?








-- 

[AFMUG] rodent repellant

[Ken Hohhof]

I remember a thread about Mouse Magic.  We are in a tower shelter that has a 
mouse problem, and I couldn't find the rodent killer place packs I was 
looking for, but the hardware store had packets of Mouse Magic.  Basically 
like big tea bags filled with peppermint/spearmint impregnated ground corn 
cobs.  Quite pricey.


I put 12 packets of Mouse Magic in the 10x16 shelter yesterday, was back 
today and it smelled very minty fresh inside.


But I also stopped at Rural King to get the poison I originally wanted, and 
I noticed they carried bottles of peppermint spray called Rodent Sheriff.  I 
think it was 8 oz for $10.  I don't know if it works, but that's a lot 
cheaper than Mouse Magic.


https://www.rodentsheriff.com/ 

Re: [AFMUG] Weird 450 SM

[Sean Heskett]

14.1.2(beta 17) is extremely stable.  They should be releasing the final
14.1.2 any day now.

-Sean

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, David Milholen  wrote:

> At least move to 13.4 it has been really stable for us but have been doing
> beta on our 3.65 gear.
>
>
>
> On 6/15/2016 11:27 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Mine was 13.2.1
>
> On 6/15/2016 11:23 AM, David wrote:
>
> Which Firmware was this?
>
>
> On 06/15/2016 11:18 AM, TJ Burbank wrote:
>
> I have had 3 radios do this exact same thing but could never bring them
> back to life.
>
> Working 1 days the next not registering. AP Eval showed nothing, SA showed
> energy on AP frequency, factory defaults, firmware upgrades, etc... Still
> nothing.
>
> How long did you let SA run before switching it off?
>
> -TJ
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:44 PM, George Skorup <
> geo...@cbcast.com
> > wrote:
>
>> One of the guys brought me in a 5GHz 450 SM today. Said it saw no APs in
>> the eval list. Sure enough, power it up on my desk and it can't see the AP
>> at the top of our NOC SSV. Factory default, still nothing. But the spectrum
>> analyzer shows that the AP's RF energy is there. After stopping the SA and
>> letting it scan, bam... there's the AP in the eval list now. Coincidence?
>>
>> The event log does show a couple 'XO trim at min diff' messages. Maybe
>> this thing stored a bad frequency offset and the SA fixed it? Question is
>> now, do I assume it's fixed and try to redeploy it?
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks

[Eric Kuhnke]

Here's a bargain installer laptop that'll take a beating:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ITRONIX-GOBOOK-IX-605-VR2-CORE-2-DUO-2-20GHz-DVD-RW-Rugged-80-GB-Laptop-Linux-/252414343516?hash=item3ac511395c:g:TaEAAOSwDV1XQ4HF

$56 with shipping...  Doesn't come with power supply, so you'd need to find
whatever it takes (guessing 17.5V or 19VDC barrel connector, not too hard).



On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I'm really not sure what you would be doing with an installer/technician
> laptop that wouldn't work just fine on a Core 2, but all we really do with
> them is program radios and align antennas... and the ePMP interface is
> slow, but not *that* slow.
>
> However, on the subject of Toughbooks, it is well worth getting a newer
> one with an i5 if you're going to be using it outside, because they have
> much, much better screens than the older ones - it's by far the best laptop
> for using outdoors that I've ever seen, and the only one I've used with a
> screen that I can actually see (and see well) in direct sunlight.
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> Ummm, a core i3 is a dual core CPU, it's the *type *of cores and
>> architecture that's newer...  Yes a 3rd/4th generation core i3 will be a
>> lot faster than a core 2 duo based laptop.
>>
>> In my experience a fast SSD and 8GB of RAM will run an xubuntu/XFCE4
>> based desktop environment on a technician/installer laptop just fine.
>>
>> One of my field laptops is still an x41 tablet with a 'dothan' core CPU
>> and 1.5GB of RAM. It does everything I need it to do and has a great
>> keyboard. I don't even need a core 2 duo for network operations which exist
>> entirely within a Firefox/https TLS 1.2 browser session to some back end
>> operational software (example: OpenVPN tunnel into the company net and
>> access to our OpenNMS or RT web interfaces), and everything else is by
>> command line and SSH.
>>
>> People need a core i3 for the web browser/http aiming interface of a
>> radio?!?!  Is the ePMP software *that* bad?
>>
>> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X41_Tablet
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on our experience, dual-core doesn’t cut it any longer, you need
>>> an I3 at minimum.  To that end, we still like the Lenovo T420 units for
>>> battery life and toughness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:14 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree, a Core i5 is overkill... which is why the ones we have are
>>> older core 2 versions, but it isn't huge and heavy, it's less than a pound
>>> more than that thinkpad, and it'll take far more abuse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For what an installer needs to do with a laptop, a core i5 something is
>>> way overkill. That toughbook is nice, but huge and heavy.
>>>
>>> Here's an example of what a good condition Thinkpad X60 goes for:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-1-Lenovo-X60S-1-66GHz-2-0GB-100GB-WiFi-Laptop-/191834742697?hash=item2caa3ddfa9:g:S14AAOSw9uFW9Hgj
>>>
>>> 60 bucks. Then add $35 for a new third party battery for it.
>>>
>>> Put xubuntu on it. I mean, what do they need to do with it?  Everything
>>> is inside a web browser. It needs a 1000BaseT port on it, needs to be
>>> reasonably small and rugged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In my opinion, if you're giving them to installers, yes it's better than
>>> three of those. It all depends what you're doing with it though...
>>>
>>> I'd rather buy one and have it last a few years than buy three per year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
>>> lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that really better then three of these:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Latitude-E6420-Notebook-DVD-Writer-Bluetooth/dp/B007PN2L3Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1459975789=8-3=dell+e6420
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Personally I like the Dell Latitude E6420 at $100 - $150 because you can
>>> break a few a year and still be ahead of the game financially.  Also if you
>>> buy all the same model then you can swap parts some time like a broken
>>> screen for a good one.  The Latitudes are pretty easy to work on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Joshaven Potter
>>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>>>
>>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey... Not sure if this is a good deal or not, but Woot has Toughbooks
>>> for sale right now:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://computers.woot.com/plus/panasonic-toughbook-laptops-1?ref=cp_cnt_odet_cp_crum_2_wp
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks

[Eric Kuhnke]

Yeah, it is amazing how much brighter sunlight is than any LCD, even
cranked up to max brightness. In a dark room with my 5.5" phone turned up
to maximum brightness, it's unbearably incredibly bright. Same brightness
setting in direct Seattle sunlight may be barely usable.

Worth mentioning that Itronix was acquired by General Dynamics for their
super rugged military grade laptops. GD killed Itronix a few years ago but
you can still find the laptops on the market, such as:

https://www.amazon.com/General-Dynamics-Military-Grade-Notebook-touchscreen/dp/B008VFVL04

$219 is a reasonable price for that.



On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I'm really not sure what you would be doing with an installer/technician
> laptop that wouldn't work just fine on a Core 2, but all we really do with
> them is program radios and align antennas... and the ePMP interface is
> slow, but not *that* slow.
>
> However, on the subject of Toughbooks, it is well worth getting a newer
> one with an i5 if you're going to be using it outside, because they have
> much, much better screens than the older ones - it's by far the best laptop
> for using outdoors that I've ever seen, and the only one I've used with a
> screen that I can actually see (and see well) in direct sunlight.
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> Ummm, a core i3 is a dual core CPU, it's the *type *of cores and
>> architecture that's newer...  Yes a 3rd/4th generation core i3 will be a
>> lot faster than a core 2 duo based laptop.
>>
>> In my experience a fast SSD and 8GB of RAM will run an xubuntu/XFCE4
>> based desktop environment on a technician/installer laptop just fine.
>>
>> One of my field laptops is still an x41 tablet with a 'dothan' core CPU
>> and 1.5GB of RAM. It does everything I need it to do and has a great
>> keyboard. I don't even need a core 2 duo for network operations which exist
>> entirely within a Firefox/https TLS 1.2 browser session to some back end
>> operational software (example: OpenVPN tunnel into the company net and
>> access to our OpenNMS or RT web interfaces), and everything else is by
>> command line and SSH.
>>
>> People need a core i3 for the web browser/http aiming interface of a
>> radio?!?!  Is the ePMP software *that* bad?
>>
>> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X41_Tablet
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on our experience, dual-core doesn’t cut it any longer, you need
>>> an I3 at minimum.  To that end, we still like the Lenovo T420 units for
>>> battery life and toughness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:14 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree, a Core i5 is overkill... which is why the ones we have are
>>> older core 2 versions, but it isn't huge and heavy, it's less than a pound
>>> more than that thinkpad, and it'll take far more abuse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For what an installer needs to do with a laptop, a core i5 something is
>>> way overkill. That toughbook is nice, but huge and heavy.
>>>
>>> Here's an example of what a good condition Thinkpad X60 goes for:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-1-Lenovo-X60S-1-66GHz-2-0GB-100GB-WiFi-Laptop-/191834742697?hash=item2caa3ddfa9:g:S14AAOSw9uFW9Hgj
>>>
>>> 60 bucks. Then add $35 for a new third party battery for it.
>>>
>>> Put xubuntu on it. I mean, what do they need to do with it?  Everything
>>> is inside a web browser. It needs a 1000BaseT port on it, needs to be
>>> reasonably small and rugged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In my opinion, if you're giving them to installers, yes it's better than
>>> three of those. It all depends what you're doing with it though...
>>>
>>> I'd rather buy one and have it last a few years than buy three per year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
>>> lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that really better then three of these:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Latitude-E6420-Notebook-DVD-Writer-Bluetooth/dp/B007PN2L3Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1459975789=8-3=dell+e6420
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Personally I like the Dell Latitude E6420 at $100 - $150 because you can
>>> break a few a year and still be ahead of the game financially.  Also if you
>>> buy all the same model then you can swap parts some time like a broken
>>> screen for a good one.  The Latitudes are pretty easy to work on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Joshaven Potter
>>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>>>
>>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks

[Mathew Howard]

I'm really not sure what you would be doing with an installer/technician
laptop that wouldn't work just fine on a Core 2, but all we really do with
them is program radios and align antennas... and the ePMP interface is
slow, but not *that* slow.

However, on the subject of Toughbooks, it is well worth getting a newer one
with an i5 if you're going to be using it outside, because they have much,
much better screens than the older ones - it's by far the best laptop for
using outdoors that I've ever seen, and the only one I've used with a
screen that I can actually see (and see well) in direct sunlight.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Ummm, a core i3 is a dual core CPU, it's the *type *of cores and
> architecture that's newer...  Yes a 3rd/4th generation core i3 will be a
> lot faster than a core 2 duo based laptop.
>
> In my experience a fast SSD and 8GB of RAM will run an xubuntu/XFCE4 based
> desktop environment on a technician/installer laptop just fine.
>
> One of my field laptops is still an x41 tablet with a 'dothan' core CPU
> and 1.5GB of RAM. It does everything I need it to do and has a great
> keyboard. I don't even need a core 2 duo for network operations which exist
> entirely within a Firefox/https TLS 1.2 browser session to some back end
> operational software (example: OpenVPN tunnel into the company net and
> access to our OpenNMS or RT web interfaces), and everything else is by
> command line and SSH.
>
> People need a core i3 for the web browser/http aiming interface of a
> radio?!?!  Is the ePMP software *that* bad?
>
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X41_Tablet
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> Based on our experience, dual-core doesn’t cut it any longer, you need an
>> I3 at minimum.  To that end, we still like the Lenovo T420 units for
>> battery life and toughness.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:14 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, a Core i5 is overkill... which is why the ones we have are older
>> core 2 versions, but it isn't huge and heavy, it's less than a pound more
>> than that thinkpad, and it'll take far more abuse.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>> For what an installer needs to do with a laptop, a core i5 something is
>> way overkill. That toughbook is nice, but huge and heavy.
>>
>> Here's an example of what a good condition Thinkpad X60 goes for:
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-1-Lenovo-X60S-1-66GHz-2-0GB-100GB-WiFi-Laptop-/191834742697?hash=item2caa3ddfa9:g:S14AAOSw9uFW9Hgj
>>
>> 60 bucks. Then add $35 for a new third party battery for it.
>>
>> Put xubuntu on it. I mean, what do they need to do with it?  Everything
>> is inside a web browser. It needs a 1000BaseT port on it, needs to be
>> reasonably small and rugged.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> In my opinion, if you're giving them to installers, yes it's better than
>> three of those. It all depends what you're doing with it though...
>>
>> I'd rather buy one and have it last a few years than buy three per year.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
>> lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is that really better then three of these:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Latitude-E6420-Notebook-DVD-Writer-Bluetooth/dp/B007PN2L3Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1459975789=8-3=dell+e6420
>>
>>
>>
>> Personally I like the Dell Latitude E6420 at $100 - $150 because you can
>> break a few a year and still be ahead of the game financially.  Also if you
>> buy all the same model then you can swap parts some time like a broken
>> screen for a good one.  The Latitudes are pretty easy to work on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Joshaven Potter
>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>>
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey... Not sure if this is a good deal or not, but Woot has Toughbooks
>> for sale right now:
>>
>>
>> http://computers.woot.com/plus/panasonic-toughbook-laptops-1?ref=cp_cnt_odet_cp_crum_2_wp
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT... Rokutel

[Jaime Solorza]

Sad part one of the guys in group is a radio technician I know from some
training classes on surveillance systems we both took.  Really sharp guy...
I know the Mexican Marines are taking down a ton of illegal UHF 2way
repeaters after FCC complained about interference on US side.   SCT finally
grew a pair.
On Jun 15, 2016 7:03 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> That sucks.
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016, 5:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Some guys in Chihuahua City have "opened" up the Roku 3 system and folks
>> are getting a premium channels like HBO free!!!   They call it Rokutel just
>> like Piratel for pirated cellphones
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT... Rokutel

[Lewis Bergman]

That sucks.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016, 5:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Some guys in Chihuahua City have "opened" up the Roku 3 system and folks
> are getting a premium channels like HBO free!!!   They call it Rokutel just
> like Piratel for pirated cellphones
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird 450 SM

[David Milholen]

At least move to 13.4 it has been really stable for us but have been 
doing beta on our 3.65 gear.




On 6/15/2016 11:27 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Mine was 13.2.1

On 6/15/2016 11:23 AM, David wrote:

Which Firmware was this?


On 06/15/2016 11:18 AM, TJ Burbank wrote:
I have had 3 radios do this exact same thing but could never bring 
them back to life.


Working 1 days the next not registering. AP Eval showed nothing, SA 
showed energy on AP frequency, factory defaults, firmware upgrades, 
etc... Still nothing.


How long did you let SA run before switching it off?

-TJ

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:44 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


One of the guys brought me in a 5GHz 450 SM today. Said it saw
no APs in the eval list. Sure enough, power it up on my desk and
it can't see the AP at the top of our NOC SSV. Factory default,
still nothing. But the spectrum analyzer shows that the AP's RF
energy is there. After stopping the SA and letting it scan,
bam... there's the AP in the eval list now. Coincidence?

The event log does show a couple 'XO trim at min diff' messages.
Maybe this thing stored a bad frequency offset and the SA fixed
it? Question is now, do I assume it's fixed and try to redeploy it?








--

Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks

[Eric Kuhnke]

Ummm, a core i3 is a dual core CPU, it's the *type *of cores and
architecture that's newer...  Yes a 3rd/4th generation core i3 will be a
lot faster than a core 2 duo based laptop.

In my experience a fast SSD and 8GB of RAM will run an xubuntu/XFCE4 based
desktop environment on a technician/installer laptop just fine.

One of my field laptops is still an x41 tablet with a 'dothan' core CPU and
1.5GB of RAM. It does everything I need it to do and has a great keyboard.
I don't even need a core 2 duo for network operations which exist entirely
within a Firefox/https TLS 1.2 browser session to some back end operational
software (example: OpenVPN tunnel into the company net and access to our
OpenNMS or RT web interfaces), and everything else is by command line and
SSH.

People need a core i3 for the web browser/http aiming interface of a
radio?!?!  Is the ePMP software *that* bad?

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X41_Tablet


On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Based on our experience, dual-core doesn’t cut it any longer, you need an
> I3 at minimum.  To that end, we still like the Lenovo T420 units for
> battery life and toughness.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks
>
>
>
> I agree, a Core i5 is overkill... which is why the ones we have are older
> core 2 versions, but it isn't huge and heavy, it's less than a pound more
> than that thinkpad, and it'll take far more abuse.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
> For what an installer needs to do with a laptop, a core i5 something is
> way overkill. That toughbook is nice, but huge and heavy.
>
> Here's an example of what a good condition Thinkpad X60 goes for:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-1-Lenovo-X60S-1-66GHz-2-0GB-100GB-WiFi-Laptop-/191834742697?hash=item2caa3ddfa9:g:S14AAOSw9uFW9Hgj
>
> 60 bucks. Then add $35 for a new third party battery for it.
>
> Put xubuntu on it. I mean, what do they need to do with it?  Everything is
> inside a web browser. It needs a 1000BaseT port on it, needs to be
> reasonably small and rugged.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, if you're giving them to installers, yes it's better than
> three of those. It all depends what you're doing with it though...
>
> I'd rather buy one and have it last a few years than buy three per year.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
> lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:
>
> Is that really better then three of these:
> http://www.amazon.com/Latitude-E6420-Notebook-DVD-Writer-Bluetooth/dp/B007PN2L3Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1459975789=8-3=dell+e6420
>
>
>
> Personally I like the Dell Latitude E6420 at $100 - $150 because you can
> break a few a year and still be ahead of the game financially.  Also if you
> buy all the same model then you can swap parts some time like a broken
> screen for a good one.  The Latitudes are pretty easy to work on.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshaven Potter
> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey... Not sure if this is a good deal or not, but Woot has Toughbooks for
> sale right now:
>
>
> http://computers.woot.com/plus/panasonic-toughbook-laptops-1?ref=cp_cnt_odet_cp_crum_2_wp
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks

[Josh Reynolds]

Those are great, solid descendants of the IBM ThinkPad. Love them.
On Jun 15, 2016 6:02 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Based on our experience, dual-core doesn’t cut it any longer, you need an
> I3 at minimum.  To that end, we still like the Lenovo T420 units for
> battery life and toughness.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks
>
>
>
> I agree, a Core i5 is overkill... which is why the ones we have are older
> core 2 versions, but it isn't huge and heavy, it's less than a pound more
> than that thinkpad, and it'll take far more abuse.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
> For what an installer needs to do with a laptop, a core i5 something is
> way overkill. That toughbook is nice, but huge and heavy.
>
> Here's an example of what a good condition Thinkpad X60 goes for:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-1-Lenovo-X60S-1-66GHz-2-0GB-100GB-WiFi-Laptop-/191834742697?hash=item2caa3ddfa9:g:S14AAOSw9uFW9Hgj
>
> 60 bucks. Then add $35 for a new third party battery for it.
>
> Put xubuntu on it. I mean, what do they need to do with it?  Everything is
> inside a web browser. It needs a 1000BaseT port on it, needs to be
> reasonably small and rugged.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, if you're giving them to installers, yes it's better than
> three of those. It all depends what you're doing with it though...
>
> I'd rather buy one and have it last a few years than buy three per year.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
> lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:
>
> Is that really better then three of these:
> http://www.amazon.com/Latitude-E6420-Notebook-DVD-Writer-Bluetooth/dp/B007PN2L3Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1459975789=8-3=dell+e6420
>
>
>
> Personally I like the Dell Latitude E6420 at $100 - $150 because you can
> break a few a year and still be ahead of the game financially.  Also if you
> buy all the same model then you can swap parts some time like a broken
> screen for a good one.  The Latitudes are pretty easy to work on.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshaven Potter
> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey... Not sure if this is a good deal or not, but Woot has Toughbooks for
> sale right now:
>
>
> http://computers.woot.com/plus/panasonic-toughbook-laptops-1?ref=cp_cnt_odet_cp_crum_2_wp
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks

[Rory Conaway]

Based on our experience, dual-core doesn’t cut it any longer, you need an I3 at 
minimum.  To that end, we still like the Lenovo T420 units for battery life and 
toughness.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Toughbooks

I agree, a Core i5 is overkill... which is why the ones we have are older core 
2 versions, but it isn't huge and heavy, it's less than a pound more than that 
thinkpad, and it'll take far more abuse.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
For what an installer needs to do with a laptop, a core i5 something is way 
overkill. That toughbook is nice, but huge and heavy.
Here's an example of what a good condition Thinkpad X60 goes for:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-1-Lenovo-X60S-1-66GHz-2-0GB-100GB-WiFi-Laptop-/191834742697?hash=item2caa3ddfa9:g:S14AAOSw9uFW9Hgj
60 bucks. Then add $35 for a new third party battery for it.
Put xubuntu on it. I mean, what do they need to do with it?  Everything is 
inside a web browser. It needs a 1000BaseT port on it, needs to be reasonably 
small and rugged.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
In my opinion, if you're giving them to installers, yes it's better than three 
of those. It all depends what you're doing with it though...
I'd rather buy one and have it last a few years than buy three per year.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
> wrote:
Is that really better then three of these: 
http://www.amazon.com/Latitude-E6420-Notebook-DVD-Writer-Bluetooth/dp/B007PN2L3Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1459975789=8-3=dell+e6420

Personally I like the Dell Latitude E6420 at $100 - $150 because you can break 
a few a year and still be ahead of the game financially.  Also if you buy all 
the same model then you can swap parts some time like a broken screen for a 
good one.  The Latitudes are pretty easy to work on.


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com


On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Travis Johnson > 
wrote:

Hey... Not sure if this is a good deal or not, but Woot has Toughbooks for sale 
right now:

http://computers.woot.com/plus/panasonic-toughbook-laptops-1?ref=cp_cnt_odet_cp_crum_2_wp

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] TOS, AUP, Etc.

[Eric Kuhnke]

DON'T BE A DICK

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Anyone willing to share one?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>

[AFMUG] OT... Rokutel

[Jaime Solorza]

Some guys in Chihuahua City have "opened" up the Roku 3 system and folks
are getting a premium channels like HBO free!!!   They call it Rokutel just
like Piratel for pirated cellphones

Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[Chuck McCown]

Naw, a dude in a thong would have to pay me to clean my office.  

From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

Also, if their outfit is a thong only, that will make the price go way up L  

 



www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

 

Are they in little French maid outfits?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

Depends on the cleaning crew.

Do they have papers?

What kind of tats and colors?

Can they speak engrish?

 

Can you keep them in the basement and charge them rent equal to their pay?

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

 

I think that’s close to what I am paying.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

 

$65 per cleaning

 

On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  clean it once, take that time times your lowest paid lackeys rate of pay 
times 1.5 and thats what it should be

   

  On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have someone 
clean a 2000 sqr foot space?

It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open floorplan 
with laminate flooring.

Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month.





   

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[Dennis Burgess]

Also, if their outfit is a thong only, that will make the price go way up ☹

[DennisBurgessSignature]
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

Are they in little French maid outfits?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning
Depends on the cleaning crew.
Do they have papers?
What kind of tats and colors?
Can they speak engrish?

Can you keep them in the basement and charge them rent equal to their pay?

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

I think that’s close to what I am paying.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning


$65 per cleaning

On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
clean it once, take that time times your lowest paid lackeys rate of pay times 
1.5 and thats what it should be

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have someone 
clean a 2000 sqr foot space?

It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open floorplan with 
laminate flooring.

Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[Mike Hammett]

Are they in little French maid outfits? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:11:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning 




Depends on the cleaning crew. 
Do they have papers? 
What kind of tats and colors? 
Can they speak engrish? 

Can you keep them in the basement and charge them rent equal to their pay? 




From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:51 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning 



I think that’s close to what I am paying. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning 

$65 per cleaning 


On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



clean it once, take that time times your lowest paid lackeys rate of pay times 
1.5 and thats what it should be 



On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 


I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have someone 
clean a 2000 sqr foot space? 

It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open floorplan with 
laminate flooring. 

Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month. 







-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] TOS, AUP, Etc.

[Jon Langeler]

Internet Service. Apparently we're supposed to have onemaybe even posted on 
the website :)

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> For what?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Jon Langeler  
>> wrote:
>> Anyone willing to share one?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] TOS, AUP, Etc.

[Jeremy]

www.bluespring.me/legal/

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> For what?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone willing to share one?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TOS, AUP, Etc.

[Josh Luthman]

For what?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Anyone willing to share one?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>

[AFMUG] TOS, AUP, Etc.

[Jon Langeler]

Anyone willing to share one?

Thanks 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I like their website, makes me feel like a guy is gonna punch me in the
face with positive product fists, might load it

I have a dude server running now, I see this will take some work to get the
data usable, and stupid mikrotik right now only lets it log to the base
disk not the extended partition, I dont know if it will freak the license
out if I extend the existing disk

I have syslogd-ng running on one, definetly outside my scope

Got kiwi installed it looks slick but i think is on a 30 day trial, id like
to see what it looks like when that expires, bt the light license isnt bad

I am seeing that I need to reconsider just what I want to log, todays need
is ospf logging from mikrotik, but i dont have the logging filters correct
in the mikrotik because i either get ospf debug or it randomly tags logs
ospf

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> It's an ova, so you can convert it and load into proxmox with a little
> work.
> On Jun 15, 2016 12:50 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there some way to load this into Proxmox, or is VMware necessary?
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Chris Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> It doesn’t get much easier than SexiLog if you’re running a hypervisor.
>>>
>>> http://www.sexilog.fr/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>
>>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:17 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .. or just use Graylog2 which again doesn't fall into the 'easy'
>>> requirement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Doesn't fit into the 'easy' requirement, but you might find
>>> https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash interesting. You can combine
>>> it with https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana and
>>> https://www.elastic.co/products/elasticsearch to setup what is commonly
>>> referred to as the 'ELK' stack which can be setup like this:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2016 9:52 AM, David wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
>>> Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an
>>> automated security system.
>>> Been doing this for a long time :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>>>
>>> rsyslog with  loganalyzer as a 'front end':
>>>
>>>
>>> https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/
>>>
>>> The boss/spouse loves this.
>>>
>>> ryan
>>>
>>> On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>> what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs.
>>> I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts.
>>> Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to
>>> look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If
>>> there is a good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh
>>> kitten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>>>
>>> Community Networking Solutions
>>>
>>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>>>
>>> 360-499-2164
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Simon Westlake
>>>
>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>>
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>>
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>>
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>>>
>>> https://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[Josh Luthman]

OVA is something like open virtualmachine appliance or something, I thought
most if not all the big solutions would import it natively.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> It's an ova, so you can convert it and load into proxmox with a little
> work.
> On Jun 15, 2016 12:50 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there some way to load this into Proxmox, or is VMware necessary?
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Chris Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> It doesn’t get much easier than SexiLog if you’re running a hypervisor.
>>>
>>> http://www.sexilog.fr/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>
>>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:17 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .. or just use Graylog2 which again doesn't fall into the 'easy'
>>> requirement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Doesn't fit into the 'easy' requirement, but you might find
>>> https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash interesting. You can combine
>>> it with https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana and
>>> https://www.elastic.co/products/elasticsearch to setup what is commonly
>>> referred to as the 'ELK' stack which can be setup like this:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2016 9:52 AM, David wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
>>> Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an
>>> automated security system.
>>> Been doing this for a long time :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>>>
>>> rsyslog with  loganalyzer as a 'front end':
>>>
>>>
>>> https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/
>>>
>>> The boss/spouse loves this.
>>>
>>> ryan
>>>
>>> On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>> what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs.
>>> I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts.
>>> Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to
>>> look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If
>>> there is a good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh
>>> kitten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>>>
>>> Community Networking Solutions
>>>
>>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>>>
>>> 360-499-2164
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Simon Westlake
>>>
>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>>
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>>
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>>
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>>>
>>> https://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[Josh Reynolds]

It's an ova, so you can convert it and load into proxmox with a little work.
On Jun 15, 2016 12:50 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Is there some way to load this into Proxmox, or is VMware necessary?
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
>> It doesn’t get much easier than SexiLog if you’re running a hypervisor.
>>
>> http://www.sexilog.fr/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Velociter Wireless
>>
>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server
>>
>>
>>
>> .. or just use Graylog2 which again doesn't fall into the 'easy'
>> requirement.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't fit into the 'easy' requirement, but you might find
>> https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash interesting. You can combine it
>> with https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana and
>> https://www.elastic.co/products/elasticsearch to setup what is commonly
>> referred to as the 'ELK' stack which can be setup like this:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM
>>
>> On 6/15/2016 9:52 AM, David wrote:
>>
>> Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
>> Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an
>> automated security system.
>> Been doing this for a long time :)
>>
>>
>> On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>>
>> rsyslog with  loganalyzer as a 'front end':
>>
>>
>> https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/
>>
>> The boss/spouse loves this.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs.
>> I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts.
>> Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to
>> look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If
>> there is a good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh
>> kitten
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>>
>> Community Networking Solutions
>>
>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>>
>> 360-499-2164
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Simon Westlake
>>
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Sonar Software Inc
>>
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>>
>> https://sonar.software
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[Chuck McCown]

Depends on the cleaning crew.
Do they have papers?
What kind of tats and colors?
Can they speak engrish?

Can you keep them in the basement and charge them rent equal to their pay?

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

I think that’s close to what I am paying.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

 

$65 per cleaning

 

On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  clean it once, take that time times your lowest paid lackeys rate of pay 
times 1.5 and thats what it should be

   

  On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have someone 
clean a 2000 sqr foot space?

It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open floorplan 
with laminate flooring.

Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month.





   

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[Sterling Jacobson]

I think that’s close to what I am paying.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning


$65 per cleaning

On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
clean it once, take that time times your lowest paid lackeys rate of pay times 
1.5 and thats what it should be

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have someone 
clean a 2000 sqr foot space?

It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open floorplan with 
laminate flooring.

Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[Jason McKemie]

Is there some way to load this into Proxmox, or is VMware necessary?

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Chris Wright  wrote:

> It doesn’t get much easier than SexiLog if you’re running a hypervisor.
>
> http://www.sexilog.fr/
>
>
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Baird
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server
>
>
>
> .. or just use Graylog2 which again doesn't fall into the 'easy'
> requirement.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake  > wrote:
>
> Doesn't fit into the 'easy' requirement, but you might find
> https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash interesting. You can combine it
> with https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana and
> https://www.elastic.co/products/elasticsearch to setup what is commonly
> referred to as the 'ELK' stack which can be setup like this:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM
>
> On 6/15/2016 9:52 AM, David wrote:
>
> Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
> Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an automated
> security system.
> Been doing this for a long time :)
>
>
> On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>
> rsyslog with  loganalyzer as a 'front end':
>
>
> https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/
>
> The boss/spouse loves this.
>
> ryan
>
> On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs. I
> set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts. Looking
> for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to look at
> logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If there is a
> good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh kitten
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>
> Community Networking Solutions
>
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>
> 360-499-2164
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Simon Westlake
>
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>
> Email: simon@sonar.software 
> 
>
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>
> ---
>
> Sonar Software Inc
>
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>
> https://sonar.software
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[Travis Johnson]

In our area, actual cleaning companies charge around $25/hour per 
person... so it depends on how much you want done and how long it takes.


Travis


On 6/15/2016 10:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have someone 
clean a 2000 sqr foot space?

It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open floorplan with 
laminate flooring.

Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month.

Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[Keefe John]

$65 per cleaning


On 6/15/2016 12:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
clean it once, take that time times your lowest paid lackeys rate of 
pay times 1.5 and thats what it should be


On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:


I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have
someone clean a 2000 sqr foot space?

It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open
floorplan with laminate flooring.

Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

clean it once, take that time times your lowest paid lackeys rate of pay
times 1.5 and thats what it should be

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have someone
> clean a 2000 sqr foot space?
>
> It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open floorplan
> with laminate flooring.
>
> Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Kinda OT Office Cleaning

[Sterling Jacobson]

I know this is subjective, but how much should I be paying to have someone 
clean a 2000 sqr foot space?

It is very lightly occupied, has two bathrooms, and mostly open floorplan with 
laminate flooring.

Right now I'm cleaning it about 2-3 times a month.

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] camping....campsites

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Probably 45 total route miles too 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: , 
Subject: [WISPA Members][AFMUG] campingcampsites
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 11:35 AM

In this particular link it is

Fiber - mimosa - mimosa - mimosa - 5 ghz rocket (about to be ac) - powerbeam ac 
- 5 ghz rocket - 5 ghz rocket - 2 .4 ghz rocket - 2.4 ghz nanobeam.  Got 10/7 
testing yesterday.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] campingcampsites
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 10:37 AM

Jay,What type of pipe are you feeding the connection with? I realize I am not 
answering your question . Best regards,Brandon 
YuchaszGogebicRange.netwww.gogebicrange.net
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campingcampsites

wifi too

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Fabien 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campingcampsites

Are you providing a wifi system for them or just a pipe to the campground? On 
Jun 15, 2016 10:43 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote: 
We have a few sites that are campgrounds.  We are trying to standardize and 
"upgrade"
What speed would you provide on average for a 50 site campground?  What about a 
100 site?
These are seasonal and right now we're trying to deliver 10x10 but by the time 
peak arrives average
speed is down between 1 and 2.

a lot of it has to do with what the campsite owner(s) say...but we're trying to 
change all of that

thanks in advance

Re: [AFMUG] camping....campsites

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

In this particular link it is

Fiber - mimosa - mimosa - mimosa - 5 ghz rocket (about to be ac) - powerbeam ac 
- 5 ghz rocket - 5 ghz rocket - 2 .4 ghz rocket - 2.4 ghz nanobeam.  Got 10/7 
testing yesterday.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] campingcampsites
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 10:37 AM

Jay,What type of pipe are you feeding the connection with? I realize I am not 
answering your question . Best regards,Brandon 
YuchaszGogebicRange.netwww.gogebicrange.net
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campingcampsites

wifi too

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Fabien 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campingcampsites

Are you providing a wifi system for them or just a pipe to the campground? On 
Jun 15, 2016 10:43 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote: 
We have a few sites that are campgrounds.  We are trying to standardize and 
"upgrade"
What speed would you provide on average for a 50 site campground?  What about a 
100 site?
These are seasonal and right now we're trying to deliver 10x10 but by the time 
peak arrives average
speed is down between 1 and 2.

a lot of it has to do with what the campsite owner(s) say...but we're trying to 
change all of that

thanks in advance

Re: [AFMUG] Weird 450 SM

[George Skorup]

Mine was 13.2.1

On 6/15/2016 11:23 AM, David wrote:

Which Firmware was this?


On 06/15/2016 11:18 AM, TJ Burbank wrote:
I have had 3 radios do this exact same thing but could never bring 
them back to life.


Working 1 days the next not registering. AP Eval showed nothing, SA 
showed energy on AP frequency, factory defaults, firmware upgrades, 
etc... Still nothing.


How long did you let SA run before switching it off?

-TJ

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:44 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


One of the guys brought me in a 5GHz 450 SM today. Said it saw no
APs in the eval list. Sure enough, power it up on my desk and it
can't see the AP at the top of our NOC SSV. Factory default,
still nothing. But the spectrum analyzer shows that the AP's RF
energy is there. After stopping the SA and letting it scan,
bam... there's the AP in the eval list now. Coincidence?

The event log does show a couple 'XO trim at min diff' messages.
Maybe this thing stored a bad frequency offset and the SA fixed
it? Question is now, do I assume it's fixed and try to redeploy it?

Re: [AFMUG] Weird 450 SM

[George Skorup]

Maybe a minute or two.

On 6/15/2016 11:18 AM, TJ Burbank wrote:
I have had 3 radios do this exact same thing but could never bring 
them back to life.


Working 1 days the next not registering. AP Eval showed nothing, SA 
showed energy on AP frequency, factory defaults, firmware upgrades, 
etc... Still nothing.


How long did you let SA run before switching it off?

-TJ

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:44 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


One of the guys brought me in a 5GHz 450 SM today. Said it saw no
APs in the eval list. Sure enough, power it up on my desk and it
can't see the AP at the top of our NOC SSV. Factory default, still
nothing. But the spectrum analyzer shows that the AP's RF energy
is there. After stopping the SA and letting it scan, bam...
there's the AP in the eval list now. Coincidence?

The event log does show a couple 'XO trim at min diff' messages.
Maybe this thing stored a bad frequency offset and the SA fixed
it? Question is now, do I assume it's fixed and try to redeploy it?

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[Chris Wright]

It doesn’t get much easier than SexiLog if you’re running a hypervisor.
http://www.sexilog.fr/


Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

.. or just use Graylog2 which again doesn't fall into the 'easy' requirement.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
Doesn't fit into the 'easy' requirement, but you might find 
https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash interesting. You can combine it with 
https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana and 
https://www.elastic.co/products/elasticsearch to setup what is commonly 
referred to as the 'ELK' stack which can be setup like this: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM
On 6/15/2016 9:52 AM, David wrote:
Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an automated 
security system.
Been doing this for a long time :)

On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:

rsyslog with  loganalyzer as a 'front end':
https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/

The boss/spouse loves this.

ryan

On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs. I set 
everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts. Looking for 
something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to look at logs on 
once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If there is a good webmin 
based module that would just tickle me like a fresh kitten

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--



Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc

Community Networking Solutions

PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294

360-499-2164




--

Simon Westlake

Skype: Simon_Sonar

Email: simon@sonar.software

Phone: (702) 447-1247

---

Sonar Software Inc

The next generation of ISP billing and OSS

https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Weird 450 SM

[David]

Which Firmware was this?


On 06/15/2016 11:18 AM, TJ Burbank wrote:
I have had 3 radios do this exact same thing but could never bring 
them back to life.


Working 1 days the next not registering. AP Eval showed nothing, SA 
showed energy on AP frequency, factory defaults, firmware upgrades, 
etc... Still nothing.


How long did you let SA run before switching it off?

-TJ

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:44 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


One of the guys brought me in a 5GHz 450 SM today. Said it saw no
APs in the eval list. Sure enough, power it up on my desk and it
can't see the AP at the top of our NOC SSV. Factory default, still
nothing. But the spectrum analyzer shows that the AP's RF energy
is there. After stopping the SA and letting it scan, bam...
there's the AP in the eval list now. Coincidence?

The event log does show a couple 'XO trim at min diff' messages.
Maybe this thing stored a bad frequency offset and the SA fixed
it? Question is now, do I assume it's fixed and try to redeploy it?

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[David]

when its free its not easy.. Got to work for it LOL
Im linux all the way so not an issue of easy or hard just a little time 
to set up.



On 06/15/2016 10:06 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
Doesn't fit into the 'easy' requirement, but you might find 
https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash interesting. You can combine 
it with https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana and 
https://www.elastic.co/products/elasticsearch to setup what is 
commonly referred to as the 'ELK' stack which can be setup like this: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM


On 6/15/2016 9:52 AM, David wrote:

Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an 
automated security system.

Been doing this for a long time :)


On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:


rsyslog with loganalyzer as a 'front end':

https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/

The boss/spouse loves this.

ryan


On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching 
logs. I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple 
scripts. Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices 
we only need to look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise 
will forget about. If there is a good webmin based module that 
would just tickle me like a fresh kitten


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


--

Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
Community Networking Solutions
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
360-499-2164




--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Weird 450 SM

[TJ Burbank]

I have had 3 radios do this exact same thing but could never bring them
back to life.

Working 1 days the next not registering. AP Eval showed nothing, SA showed
energy on AP frequency, factory defaults, firmware upgrades, etc... Still
nothing.

How long did you let SA run before switching it off?

-TJ

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:44 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> One of the guys brought me in a 5GHz 450 SM today. Said it saw no APs in
> the eval list. Sure enough, power it up on my desk and it can't see the AP
> at the top of our NOC SSV. Factory default, still nothing. But the spectrum
> analyzer shows that the AP's RF energy is there. After stopping the SA and
> letting it scan, bam... there's the AP in the eval list now. Coincidence?
>
> The event log does show a couple 'XO trim at min diff' messages. Maybe
> this thing stored a bad frequency offset and the SA fixed it? Question is
> now, do I assume it's fixed and try to redeploy it?
>

[AFMUG] Cambium epmp 1000 stock

[Jaime Solorza]

Who has shipping stock on these dual band units?  Thanks Jaime

Re: [AFMUG] camping....campsites

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Jay,

What type of pipe are you feeding the connection with? I realize I am not 
answering your question .

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campingcampsites

 

 

wifi too

 

- Original Message - 

From: Chris Fabien   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campingcampsites

 

Are you providing a wifi system for them or just a pipe to the campground? 

On Jun 15, 2016 10:43 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote:

 

We have a few sites that are campgrounds.  We are trying to standardize and 
"upgrade"

What speed would you provide on average for a 50 site campground?  What about a 
100 site?

These are seasonal and right now we're trying to deliver 10x10 but by the time 
peak arrives average

speed is down between 1 and 2.

 

a lot of it has to do with what the campsite owner(s) say...but we're trying to 
change all of that

 

thanks in advance

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[Josh Baird]

.. or just use Graylog2 which again doesn't fall into the 'easy'
requirement.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> Doesn't fit into the 'easy' requirement, but you might find
> https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash interesting. You can combine it
> with https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana and
> https://www.elastic.co/products/elasticsearch to setup what is commonly
> referred to as the 'ELK' stack which can be setup like this:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM
>
> On 6/15/2016 9:52 AM, David wrote:
>
> Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
> Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an automated
> security system.
> Been doing this for a long time :)
>
>
> On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>
> rsyslog with  loganalyzer as a 'front end':
>
> https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/
>
> The boss/spouse loves this.
>
> ryan
>
>
> On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs. I
> set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts. Looking
> for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to look at
> logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If there is a
> good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh kitten
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
> --
>
> Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> Community Networking Solutions
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294360-499-2164
>
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] camping....campsites

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

wifi too

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Fabien 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campingcampsites


  Are you providing a wifi system for them or just a pipe to the campground? 

  On Jun 15, 2016 10:43 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
wrote:


We have a few sites that are campgrounds.  We are trying to standardize and 
"upgrade"
What speed would you provide on average for a 50 site campground?  What 
about a 100 site?
These are seasonal and right now we're trying to deliver 10x10 but by the 
time peak arrives average
speed is down between 1 and 2.

a lot of it has to do with what the campsite owner(s) say...but we're 
trying to change all of that

thanks in advance

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[Simon Westlake]

Doesn't fit into the 'easy' requirement, but you might find 
https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash interesting. You can combine it 
with https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana and 
https://www.elastic.co/products/elasticsearch to setup what is commonly 
referred to as the 'ELK' stack which can be setup like this: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM


On 6/15/2016 9:52 AM, David wrote:

Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an 
automated security system.

Been doing this for a long time :)


On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:


rsyslog with loganalyzer as a 'front end':

https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/

The boss/spouse loves this.

ryan


On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching 
logs. I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple 
scripts. Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices we 
only need to look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise will 
forget about. If there is a good webmin based module that would just 
tickle me like a fresh kitten


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


--

Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
Community Networking Solutions
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
360-499-2164




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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
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The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[David]

Couldnt remember that frontend we used but thats it.
Run some Fail-to-ban action scripts on it and wallah you have an 
automated security system.

Been doing this for a long time :)


On 06/15/2016 09:43 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:


rsyslog with loganalyzer as a 'front end':

https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/

The boss/spouse loves this.

ryan


On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching 
logs. I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple 
scripts. Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices we 
only need to look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise will 
forget about. If there is a good webmin based module that would just 
tickle me like a fresh kitten


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


--

Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
Community Networking Solutions
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
360-499-2164

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt Calculator

[D. Ryan Spott]

I use this as a cheat for coverage data:

http://www.proxim.com/products/knowledge-center/calculations/calculations-downtilt-coverage-radius

ryan


On 6/11/16 10:55 AM, David Milholen wrote:


/I like this one/

/http://www.gyokovsolutions.com/G-NetTilt/G-NetTilt.html/



On 6/10/2016 12:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


Looking for a very simple down tilt calculation tool and I am 
wondering what most of you guys are using. There has to be an easier 
way then using math and my brain every time.


�

�

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

�



--


--

Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
Community Networking Solutions
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
360-499-2164

Re: [AFMUG] camping....campsites

[Chris Fabien]

Are you providing a wifi system for them or just a pipe to the campground?
On Jun 15, 2016 10:43 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> We have a few sites that are campgrounds.  We are trying to standardize
> and "upgrade"
> What speed would you provide on average for a 50 site campground?  What
> about a 100 site?
> These are seasonal and right now we're trying to deliver 10x10 but by the
> time peak arrives average
> speed is down between 1 and 2.
>
> a lot of it has to do with what the campsite owner(s) say...but we're
> trying to change all of that
>
> thanks in advance
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

[D. Ryan Spott]

Brandon,

As you grow you will need to move to something like Powercode. Knowing 
how your network works Powercode will really help you. You want to drop 
the monies now before you are so busy you can't stop to implement it. :)


Before powercode:

+1 on cacti.

   https://github.com/m0sia/cacti-ePMP

   
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-2000-and-1000/ePMP-OIDs/td-p/40233

   http://unidata.com.ua/epmp/add/files/sr2.6/CAMBIUM-ePMP-2.6-MIB.txt

and a +1 on Nagios.

Let me know if you would like any help,


ryan


On 6/14/16 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
At Powercode?  User since 2008, if you're still interested contact me 
offlist and I'll make sure you're taken care of.


Are you using any software at all?  If not, you'll want to pick 
something up to do SNMP.  CactiEZ would get things started, but if it 
were me I'd get Powercode/VISP/Wispmon/etc to do everything once (one 
place for billing, customer equipment, monitoring, etc).



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:


Who did you ask and how loudly?  No powercode here I will have to
find a different option.

How does Ubiquiti handle this type of thing? We are 100% cambium
in our network and only recently started in with the ePMP.

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:36 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

I've asked for this stuff.  For now the signal and session are
graphed in Powercode.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 14, 2016 10:25 AM, "Brandon Yuchasz"
> wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450
platform I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on
ePMP. In FSK and 450 you can log into the AP pull up the Session
Status tab and then scroll through looking at the session counts,
re-registrations, power levels and even see the SMs that are idle.
So if you are looking up a customer that “hasn’t has internet
since Monday” and you see they went idle with only one session
count and a  -62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got
damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone
support and they verify no green light.  On the other hand now
that the leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can scroll
through the session counts and find customers that have been up
for 8 years that are now having issues with the tree cover. 568
session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in the schedule and
get out at take a look.

So…. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I can’t
even find if a session is idle.  I can find how many SMs have
registered to the AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if
all the extras are one SM , guys doing site surveys or a combo of
both. So how are you guys troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I
feel blind using this stuff.

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 




--

Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
Community Networking Solutions
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
360-499-2164

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

[D. Ryan Spott]

rsyslog with loganalyzer as a 'front end':

https://ciscoskills.net/2014/06/11/install-rsyslog-loganalyzer-on-centos-6-5/

The boss/spouse loves this.

ryan


On 6/14/16 11:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching 
logs. I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple 
scripts. Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices we 
only need to look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise will 
forget about. If there is a good webmin based module that would just 
tickle me like a fresh kitten


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


--

Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
Community Networking Solutions
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
360-499-2164

[AFMUG] camping....campsites

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We have a few sites that are campgrounds.  We are trying to standardize and 
"upgrade"
What speed would you provide on average for a 50 site campground?  What about a 
100 site?
These are seasonal and right now we're trying to deliver 10x10 but by the time 
peak arrives average
speed is down between 1 and 2.

a lot of it has to do with what the campsite owner(s) say...but we're trying to 
change all of that

thanks in advance

Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

[Kerry]

A local electrician shop here has a large format printer/plotter. You 
might check with the electricians that design whole building electric 
service.



On 6/14/2016 11:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I would recommend googling "blueprint scanning service", there's a lot 
of places you can ship the maps off to for scanning, rolled up in a 
shipping tube. If you want a 600 DPI lossless (PNG) raster scan of 
something 35 x 28 inches in size it's going to be a huge file size.


If these are US topo maps, you might be able to re-download the whole 
thing in a vector based format from the USGS. Huge numbers of topo 
maps are now free.  Go to http://store.usgs.gov and choose Map locator 
and downloader. I was able to mirror the "7.5 x 7.5 grid" 2014 series 
USGS topo maps for all of WA state using this method.


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:


Thanks everyone for the feedback. Not sure if we have any
architectural firms in our area. Ill have to look. The plumbing
shop is an interesting idea as well Ill ask. I am not at all
surprised that Chuck had a link. Chuck have you used that company
before?

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

http://www.e-sbr.com/

*From:*Brandon Yuchasz 

*Sent:*Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:02 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

So fairly off topic but since I live in the middle of nowhere (
great place for a wisp) I don’t have access to normal businesses
like a copy shop. A friend loaned me some old topo maps of an area
I spent a lot of time in each fall. The maps have hand written
notes on them along with GPS cords in some cases. He said to make
a copy and return the maps to him. The problem is nowhere close to
me can make copies this large. They are color and the largest map
is 35”x 28”. I am wondering if anyone knows of a company that they
have used in the past that I could send these too and have them
make two copies of each and then send them all back.

They are too large to scan and a digital photo uploaded to a
printer won’t cut it on quality.

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, many times.  Scanned lots of large D & E size drawings over the years and 
made many copies.  

From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

Thanks everyone for the feedback. Not sure if we have any architectural firms 
in our area. Ill have to look. The plumbing shop is an interesting idea as well 
Ill ask. I am not at all surprised that Chuck had a link. Chuck have you used 
that company before?

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

 

http://www.e-sbr.com/

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:02 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

 

So fairly off topic but since I live in the middle of nowhere ( great place for 
a wisp) I don’t have access to normal businesses like a copy shop. A friend 
loaned me some old topo maps of an area I spent a lot of time in each fall. The 
maps have hand written notes on them along with GPS cords in some cases. He 
said to make a copy and return the maps to him. The problem is nowhere close to 
me can make copies this large. They are color and the largest map is 35”x 28”. 
I am wondering if anyone knows of a company that they have used in the past 
that I could send these too and have them make two copies of each and then send 
them all back. 

 

They are too large to scan and a digital photo uploaded to a printer won’t cut 
it on quality. 

 

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Cisco has an OC-48 SPA that has modular optics… SPA-1XOC48-POS. I’ve seen this 
one in use before.


> On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:08 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> Now that I think about it I am actually not sure I have ever seen a modular 
> SFP sized optic used for an OC-48, all of the interfaces I've personally 
> handled have the optic soldered onto the board. SC duplex connectors in the 
> faceplate of, for example, a Juniper PB-OC48 in a FPC2.
> 
> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VTYAAOxydgZTHcbQ/s-l300.jpg 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  > wrote:
> FWIW,   2.5g optics came from the TDM world, typically used for OC-48 ports, 
> and yes all of the major router platforms support it  (not necessarily under 
> ethernet). Then because of this, there were a lot of 'waves' fiber channels 
> available, as in LH transport, for 2.5g. Today due to cost, ROI and 
> popularity 2.5g is fading into the background in favor of SFP+.
> 
> Getting back to, arm chair quarterbacking the Trango product, I can think of 
> a couple of reasons why they might have choosen 2.5g SFP module slot, 
> considinger 1G/2.5G modules use the same Slot, chips etc, and SFP+ are not 
> necessarily 1G/10G , also realizing their background with TDM it is quite 
> possible that this product has a shared heritage with another of their TDM 
> radio, or at some point in time (it may possibly be even now) it was intended 
> as  wireless OC48 transport.
> 
> :)
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:49:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi
> Yeah, sure, if your design goal is to make your L3 backbone harder to 
> troubleshoot and more failure prone in chains of non-redundant devices. I 
> suppose I could put a 48 port 1000BaseT switch in front of each router and 
> put the microwave PTP linked OSPF /30 BB interfaces each on their own vlan, 
> with one 10GbE from router to switch, but I'd be silly to do so.
> 
> On Jun 13, 2016 6:26 PM, "Josh Baird"  > wrote:
> There -could- be a router doing L3 behind the switch.  It's not that 
> uncommon, right?
> 
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:
> Switch?  If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links 
> between two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to 
> build layer 2 clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically 
> no OSPF or BGP knowledge.
> 
> Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5 Gbps 
> SFP (not SFP+ on a rate limited port).
> 
> On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer"  > wrote:
> Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G 
> capable since 2009.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:
> There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage array 
> applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used in 
> ethernet speaking routers/switches.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser  > wrote:
> Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not 
> sure why they did not go 10G
> 
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com 
> Office: 630-621-4804 
> Cell: 630-777-9291 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  > wrote:
> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model 
> appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all 
> three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
> 
> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra to 
> unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps.
> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet buffer.. 
> seems low.
> 
> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
> 
> -c
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[Mike Hammett]

The platform will be available all the way down to 6 GHz. 

Watch the TBW videos from the shows to stay current on the platforms out there. 
The Trango interview is three months old now. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:05:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi 



I very much doubt that it's intended as OC-48 capacity SONET/SDH transport... 
Based on previous experience with the higher end Bridgewave products (1Gbps 
bridges) which have SFP ports, they do have a software/firmware option on the 
same platform to enable OC-3 and OC-12 functionality but very few carriers 
ordered the option. As described by Bridgewave sales a tiny fraction like 1-2% 
of units sold or less. If people are buying PTP microwave gear in 2016 for 
short range use (24 GHz) it's all Ethernet. 





On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 





FWIW, 2.5g optics came from the TDM world, typically used for OC-48 ports, and 
yes all of the major router platforms support it (not necessarily under 
ethernet). Then because of this, there were a lot of 'waves' fiber channels 
available, as in LH transport, for 2.5g. Today due to cost, ROI and popularity 
2.5g is fading into the background in favor of SFP+. 


Getting back to, arm chair quarterbacking the Trango product, I can think of a 
couple of reasons why they might have choosen 2.5g SFP module slot, considinger 
1G/2.5G modules use the same Slot, chips etc, and SFP+ are not necessarily 
1G/10G , also realizing their background with TDM it is quite possible that 
this product has a shared heritage with another of their TDM radio, or at some 
point in time (it may possibly be even now) it was intended as wireless OC48 
transport. 


:) 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





From: "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:49:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi 






Yeah, sure, if your design goal is to make your L3 backbone harder to 
troubleshoot and more failure prone in chains of non-redundant devices. I 
suppose I could put a 48 port 1000BaseT switch in front of each router and put 
the microwave PTP linked OSPF /30 BB interfaces each on their own vlan, with 
one 10GbE from router to switch, but I'd be silly to do so. 
On Jun 13, 2016 6:26 PM, "Josh Baird" < joshba...@gmail.com > wrote: 





There -could- be a router doing L3 behind the switch. It's not that uncommon, 
right? 



On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Switch? If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links between 
two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to build layer 2 
clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically no OSPF or BGP 
knowledge. 
Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5 Gbps SFP 
(not SFP+ on a rate limited port). 

On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer" < j...@tapodi.net > wrote: 




Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G capable 
since 2009. 


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage array 
applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used in 
ethernet speaking routers/switches. 





On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com > 
wrote: 



Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not sure 
why they did not go 10G 














Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower 
er...@northcentraltower.com 
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson < c...@infowest.com > wrote: 


So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model appears 
to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all three SFPs, 
and one copper gig to get it? 

Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra to 
unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps. 
Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again. The 1MB packet buffer.. seems 
low. 

Anybody else have any thoughts? Anybody got one yet? 

-c 

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[Eric Kuhnke]

Now that I think about it I am actually not sure I have ever seen a modular
SFP sized optic used for an OC-48, all of the interfaces I've personally
handled have the optic soldered onto the board. SC duplex connectors in the
faceplate of, for example, a Juniper PB-OC48 in a FPC2.

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VTYAAOxydgZTHcbQ/s-l300.jpg


On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> FWIW,   2.5g optics came from the TDM world, typically used for OC-48
> ports, and yes all of the major router platforms support it  (not
> necessarily under ethernet). Then because of this, there were a lot of
> 'waves' fiber channels available, as in LH transport, for 2.5g. Today due
> to cost, ROI and popularity 2.5g is fading into the background in favor of
> SFP+.
>
> Getting back to, arm chair quarterbacking the Trango product, I can think
> of a couple of reasons why they might have choosen 2.5g SFP module slot,
> considinger 1G/2.5G modules use the same Slot, chips etc, and SFP+ are not
> necessarily 1G/10G , also realizing their background with TDM it is quite
> possible that this product has a shared heritage with another of their TDM
> radio, or at some point in time (it may possibly be even now) it was
> intended as  wireless OC48 transport.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 13, 2016 9:49:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi
>
> Yeah, sure, if your design goal is to make your L3 backbone harder to
> troubleshoot and more failure prone in chains of non-redundant devices. I
> suppose I could put a 48 port 1000BaseT switch in front of each router and
> put the microwave PTP linked OSPF /30 BB interfaces each on their own vlan,
> with one 10GbE from router to switch, but I'd be silly to do so.
> On Jun 13, 2016 6:26 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>
> There -could- be a router doing L3 behind the switch.  It's not that
> uncommon, right?
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> Switch?  If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links
>> between two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to
>> build layer 2 clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically
>> no OSPF or BGP knowledge.
>>
>> Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5
>> Gbps SFP (not SFP+ on a rate limited port).
>> On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:
>>
>>> Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G
>>> capable since 2009.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage
 array applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used
 in ethernet speaking routers/switches.

 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser <
 er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

> Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP,
> not sure why they did not go 10G
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi
>> model appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to
>> use all three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
>>
>> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay
>> extra to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to
>> 2200Mbps.
>> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet
>> buffer.. seems low.
>>
>> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
>>
>> -c
>>
>

>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[Eric Kuhnke]

I very much doubt that it's intended as OC-48 capacity SONET/SDH
transport...  Based on previous experience with the higher end Bridgewave
products (1Gbps bridges) which have SFP ports, they do have a
software/firmware option on the same platform to enable OC-3 and OC-12
functionality but very few carriers ordered the option. As described by
Bridgewave sales a tiny fraction like 1-2% of units sold or less. If people
are buying PTP microwave gear in 2016 for short range use (24 GHz) it's all
Ethernet.



On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> FWIW,   2.5g optics came from the TDM world, typically used for OC-48
> ports, and yes all of the major router platforms support it  (not
> necessarily under ethernet). Then because of this, there were a lot of
> 'waves' fiber channels available, as in LH transport, for 2.5g. Today due
> to cost, ROI and popularity 2.5g is fading into the background in favor of
> SFP+.
>
> Getting back to, arm chair quarterbacking the Trango product, I can think
> of a couple of reasons why they might have choosen 2.5g SFP module slot,
> considinger 1G/2.5G modules use the same Slot, chips etc, and SFP+ are not
> necessarily 1G/10G , also realizing their background with TDM it is quite
> possible that this product has a shared heritage with another of their TDM
> radio, or at some point in time (it may possibly be even now) it was
> intended as  wireless OC48 transport.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 13, 2016 9:49:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi
>
> Yeah, sure, if your design goal is to make your L3 backbone harder to
> troubleshoot and more failure prone in chains of non-redundant devices. I
> suppose I could put a 48 port 1000BaseT switch in front of each router and
> put the microwave PTP linked OSPF /30 BB interfaces each on their own vlan,
> with one 10GbE from router to switch, but I'd be silly to do so.
> On Jun 13, 2016 6:26 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>
> There -could- be a router doing L3 behind the switch.  It's not that
> uncommon, right?
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> Switch?  If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links
>> between two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to
>> build layer 2 clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically
>> no OSPF or BGP knowledge.
>>
>> Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5
>> Gbps SFP (not SFP+ on a rate limited port).
>> On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:
>>
>>> Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G
>>> capable since 2009.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage
 array applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used
 in ethernet speaking routers/switches.

 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser <
 er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

> Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP,
> not sure why they did not go 10G
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi
>> model appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to
>> use all three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
>>
>> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay
>> extra to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to
>> 2200Mbps.
>> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet
>> buffer.. seems low.
>>
>> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
>>
>> -c
>>
>

>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[Faisal Imtiaz]

FWIW, 2.5g optics came from the TDM world, typically used for OC-48 ports, and 
yes all of the major router platforms support it (not necessarily under 
ethernet). Then because of this, there were a lot of 'waves' fiber channels 
available, as in LH transport, for 2.5g. Today due to cost, ROI and popularity 
2.5g is fading into the background in favor of SFP+. 

Getting back to, arm chair quarterbacking the Trango product, I can think of a 
couple of reasons why they might have choosen 2.5g SFP module slot, considinger 
1G/2.5G modules use the same Slot, chips etc, and SFP+ are not necessarily 
1G/10G , also realizing their background with TDM it is quite possible that 
this product has a shared heritage with another of their TDM radio, or at some 
point in time (it may possibly be even now) it was intended as wireless OC48 
transport. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:49:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

> Yeah, sure, if your design goal is to make your L3 backbone harder to
> troubleshoot and more failure prone in chains of non-redundant devices. I
> suppose I could put a 48 port 1000BaseT switch in front of each router and put
> the microwave PTP linked OSPF /30 BB interfaces each on their own vlan, with
> one 10GbE from router to switch, but I'd be silly to do so.
> On Jun 13, 2016 6:26 PM, "Josh Baird" < joshba...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> There -could- be a router doing L3 behind the switch. It's not that uncommon,
>> right?

>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> Switch? If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links 
>>> between
>>> two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to build 
>>> layer 2
>>> clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically no OSPF or BGP
>>> knowledge.

>>> Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5 Gbps 
>>> SFP
>>> (not SFP+ on a rate limited port).
>>> On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer" < j...@tapodi.net > wrote:

 Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G 
 capable
 since 2009.

 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > 
 wrote:

> There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage 
> array
> applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used in
> ethernet speaking routers/switches.

> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser < 
> er...@northcentraltower.com >
> wrote:

>> Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, 
>> not sure
>> why they did not go 10G

>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291

>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson < c...@infowest.com > 
>> wrote:

>>> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model 
>>> appears
>>> to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all 
>>> three SFPs,
>>> and one copper gig to get it?

>>> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra 
>>> to unlock
>>> capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps.
>>> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again. The 1MB packet 
>>> buffer.. seems
>>> low.

>>> Anybody else have any thoughts? Anybody got one yet?

>>> -c