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Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Josh Reynolds

No Facebook here...

On Oct 12, 2016 9:22 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
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> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
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> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys?
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> What are the big highlights of the show?
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> Paul
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> Paul McCall, President
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> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
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> 658 Old Dixie Highway
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> Vero Beach, FL 32962
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> 772-564-6800
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> pa...@pdmnet.net
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> www.pdmnet.com
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> www.floridabroadband.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Paul McCall

Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)

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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys?

What are the big highlights of the show?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Josh Baird

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
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>
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
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>
> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>
>
>
> What are the big highlights of the show?
>
>
>
> Paul
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>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
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[AFMUG] Syncbox Junior Aux Port Version

2016-10-13 Thread Matt

Is there a shipping date yet?

http://store.packetflux.com/syncbox-junior-aux-port-version/

Also, any time frame on the 1u syncinjector?

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

I saw a graph of social media usage by age recently, and Jaime is almost old 
enough for Facebook now.  I think they send you a FB invitation along with your 
AARP invite now.

 

Yeah, even your mom is on Instagram and Snapchat now, it’s your grandma who’s 
on Facebook.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

Oh



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From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:03:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Homey don't Facebook 

 

On Oct 12, 2016 8:22 PM, "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)



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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys?

 

What are the big highlights of the show?

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

With that tree scenario, do you still feel youre protected from
interference in unlicensed spectrum, or if others start using the band, will
you be screwed with those signal levels?

 

In a situation where the customer is buried in trees, I figure the trees
will probably block most interference, but upstream may be vulnerable.  If
its a forest town as you describe, are you counting on CBRS and the
spectrum database to protect against interference?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

 

Maybe one tree up close, say 50-100 feet, is, as you describe, probably not
much of an issue. Sure, you can call this NLOS.

A cluster of trees a 1/4, 1/2 or a mile away, maybe you can't really see the
tower, I still consider enough LOS for RF wavelength. We do these kinds of
shots with PMP450 today and it works fine. This is what I'd call good nuf
LOS aka near-LOS. As Ken says, sometimes this can actually improve the
signal. Clip that fresnel zone just right and you can get a boost. And we
did find that -/+45 does help a bit for these kinds of shots.

The NLOS I'm talking about is an entire town full of trees. All up in your
face. Even surrounding the tower. A forest town. Where 900 barely works. A
place where we're considering doing fiber instead (preferably in the ground
so we don't get that other kind of "tree fade"). That's what we're dealing
with. It is nuckin futs. The power levels we're seeing really does not
surprise me. Leaves are coming down too. Should've had it up a month ago.

BTW, we're doing 10MHz channel width. There's too much other gear around to
try to get away with 20MHz.

On 10/12/2016 9:59 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

Ive been running baicells since june. We have over 16 links around .5 to 1
miles going through trees like they don't exist getting 80mb down. ï¿½A mile
of trees might be pushing it ;)

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

 

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From: Af    on behalf of
George Skorup   
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:17:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult 

ï¿½

Aggregate. The guys were out with one CPE moving around. The -115 RSRP
location was giving about 140ms latency. From what I heard anyway. Doesn't
surprise me seeing as how the uplink bandwidth was pretty much nothing.

We're going to try switching a couple customers from 900 FSK over to this
thing tomorrow.

On 10/12/2016 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

7 Mbps per sub or aggregate?ï¿½ I assume aggregate.ï¿½ Well, OK, if you only
have 1 sub theyï¿½reï¿½ the same.

ï¿½

Yes definitely, log CINR and modulation.

ï¿½

Also might want to do a ping test and measure min/avg/max latency and pkt
loss.

ï¿½

ï¿½

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

ï¿½

So far we're seeing no better than about -88 RSRP. Most places we tested was
right around -100. All Non-LOS. Very Non-LOS. Within a mile. And the nitwits
didn't get my memo that I wanted to collect CINRs and mod rates too. They
were able to still get about 7Mbps down (less than 50kbps up tho) with about
a -115 RSRP. And I did double check that we're not exceeding the 1W/MHz EIRP
cap. We're going to do some more testing tomorrow.

On 10/11/2016 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hope it works for you through the solid mile of trees, Iï¿½m skeptical
though.ï¿½ It seems to me like a golfer trying every new brand of club and
ball that comes out hoping to find one that goes straight through a mile of
trees to the green.ï¿½ You may get incremental improvement, but I know
people in that situation whose cellphones donï¿½t work.

ï¿½

ï¿½

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

ï¿½

I haven't changed or turned on anything new facing you. And I don't do
alternate freqs on the 450's even though sometimes LBT goes to hell. Things
have really calmed down since moving the entire 450 network from 13.2.1 to
14.1.2 though.

We are going to be testing a Baicell tomorrow in an isolated area and not
even facing you. Just FYI. I have it down in the lower half of the band to
step on the UBNT shit which I don't really care about anyway. A straight
mile deep trees, so I doubt we'll even see it on any other sectors.

On 10/10/2016 11:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Ive been beating the hell out of my network this last week with the 320
going to shit. The UBNT 3ghz hasnt gotten any worse that it was 

I went as far as shutting down the majority of the 3 ghz to get spectrums.
Went through and coordinated the network based on those. i added QOS
profiles with harq, it got me manage

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 10/13/16 6:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

With that tree scenario, do you still feel you’re protected from
interference in unlicensed spectrum, or if others start using the band,
will you be screwed with those signal levels?



In a situation where the customer is buried in trees, I figure the trees
will probably block most interference, but upstream may be vulnerable.
If it’s a “forest town” as you describe, are you counting on CBRS and
the spectrum database to protect against interference?




Forest of trees seems like TVWS would have a better chance than anything 
in the GHz range.


~Setj

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Paul McCall

So, has Cambium showed off the supposed new interface for ePMP?  I thought I 
heard something dynamic was coming with 3.1

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

I saw a graph of social media usage by age recently, and Jaime is almost old 
enough for Facebook now.  I think they send you a FB invitation along with your 
AARP invite now.

Yeah, even your mom is on Instagram and Snapchat now, it’s your grandma who’s 
on Facebook.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Oh

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From: "Jaime Solorza" 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:03:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Homey don't Facebook

On Oct 12, 2016 8:22 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)

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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys?

What are the big highlights of the show?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Jaime Solorza

Will hit 61 in November

On Oct 13, 2016 7:41 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I saw a graph of social media usage by age recently, and Jaime is almost
> old enough for Facebook now.  I think they send you a FB invitation along
> with your AARP invite now.
>
>
>
> Yeah, even your mom is on Instagram and Snapchat now, it’s your grandma
> who’s on Facebook.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> Oh
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:03:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Homey don't Facebook
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2016 8:22 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>
>
>
> What are the big highlights of the show?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Mike Hammett

It's in almost every e-mail I send. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 



Got a Link? Can’t seem to find it? 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 


Look at the TBW FB page. ;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 
Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys? 

What are the big highlights of the show? 

Paul 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Paul McCall

I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)

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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)

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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys?

What are the big highlights of the show?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

2016-10-13 Thread Lewis Bergman

I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money
and pay less tax.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> >
> > I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up those
> phones Samsung... LOL
> >
> > This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is better than
> most bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has made a 16% annual return
> over the last 5 years. Even if their stock just holds (which it won't now
> because of the Samsung thing, etc), it's making 2% and it's still "liquid"
> according to the banks, which helps on personal financial statements.
> >
> > AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church as a
> charitable donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the increase if you
> sold it first, you just transfer it at the current value. Amazing the tax
> tricks these church going people come up with... LOL
> >
> > Travis
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

is TVWS still a thing? I thought it was hanging out with the Edsel

On my original post, going through each customer, there was a marked
increase in usage overall, people coming in as it got cold, that combined
with the increased noise floor (cooler weather, corn buffer being gone) and
whatever was going on in the atmosphere and too many poor installs, it was
a perfect storm that should have been expected. pulling all the heavy users
off to other systems, downtilting APs, and lowering the maximum rate sold
on this system after doing the fresh coordination and implementing some of
the recomendations on configs seems to have brought it to manageable
disaster.

Rumor is Rise is "upgrading" around Thanksgiving in the area. I would like
to see how baicell performs when that environment shows up. What is the
deal on the 1W and 10W base station with baicells?

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/13/16 6:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> With that tree scenario, do you still feel you’re protected from
>> interference in unlicensed spectrum, or if others start using the band,
>> will you be screwed with those signal levels?
>>
>>
>>
>> In a situation where the customer is buried in trees, I figure the trees
>> will probably block most interference, but upstream may be vulnerable.
>> If it’s a “forest town” as you describe, are you counting on CBRS and
>> the spectrum database to protect against interference?
>>
>>
>
> Forest of trees seems like TVWS would have a better chance than anything
> in the GHz range.
>
> ~Setj
>

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

Or don’t donate anything, and pay no tax!  Sorry, I know this is a non 
political thread (unless you view Apple vs Android as a political culture war). 
 But I am struck that it was a scandal that Mitt Romney only paid 14% income 
tax, giving him no credit for tithing to his church (and don’t forget the 
charity boxing match!)  Yet now we have someone who apparently does neither, 
and he’s a genius.

Meanwhile, I’ve got an old vehicle to donate, and am wondering if those 
cars-for-kids deals are for real or just scams.  Maybe better to just take it 
to the auto wrecker and then donate the cash?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money and 
pay less tax.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote:

Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson   > wrote:
>
> I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up those phones 
> Samsung... LOL
>
> This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is better than most 
> bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has made a 16% annual return over 
> the last 5 years. Even if their stock just holds (which it won't now because 
> of the Samsung thing, etc), it's making 2% and it's still "liquid" according 
> to the banks, which helps on personal financial statements.
>
> AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church as a charitable 
> donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the increase if you sold it first, 
> you just transfer it at the current value. Amazing the tax tricks these 
> church going people come up with... LOL
>
> Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

2016-10-13 Thread Bill Prince


Just don't play that song.


bp


On 10/13/2016 8:03 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Meanwhile, I’ve got an old vehicle to donate, and am wondering if 
those cars-for-kids deals are for real or just scams.

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

I remember in my area Rise registered hundreds and hundreds of bogus 3.65 APs 
right before the FCC deadline.  I don’t know if that was just here or 
nationwide.

 

If they are expecting to roll out 3.65 LTE up here, they are in for a surprise, 
there is significant 3.65 already deployed in both lower and upper 25 MHz, by 
WISPs and others like ComEd.  Aren’t they using a different LTE vendor from 
Baicells, like maybe ZTE or Huawei?  But those -100 signal levels aren’t going 
to be of much use in mostly open farmland with lots of Ubiquiti and Cambium 
already around.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

 

is TVWS still a thing? I thought it was hanging out with the Edsel

 

On my original post, going through each customer, there was a marked increase 
in usage overall, people coming in as it got cold, that combined with the 
increased noise floor (cooler weather, corn buffer being gone) and whatever was 
going on in the atmosphere and too many poor installs, it was a perfect storm 
that should have been expected. pulling all the heavy users off to other 
systems, downtilting APs, and lowering the maximum rate sold on this system 
after doing the fresh coordination and implementing some of the recomendations 
on configs seems to have brought it to manageable disaster.

 

Rumor is Rise is "upgrading" around Thanksgiving in the area. I would like to 
see how baicell performs when that environment shows up. What is the deal on 
the 1W and 10W base station with baicells?

 

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 10/13/16 6:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

With that tree scenario, do you still feel you’re protected from
interference in unlicensed spectrum, or if others start using the band,
will you be screwed with those signal levels?



In a situation where the customer is buried in trees, I figure the trees
will probably block most interference, but upstream may be vulnerable.
If it’s a “forest town” as you describe, are you counting on CBRS and
the spectrum database to protect against interference?



Forest of trees seems like TVWS would have a better chance than anything in the 
GHz range.

~Setj





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

I got a WISPAPALOOZA related email from a TVWS vendor I’d never heard of 
before.  Still didn’t pique my interest.  I think TVWS is now at best a niche 
solution, maybe for monitoring “things” in remote areas.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

 

is TVWS still a thing? I thought it was hanging out with the Edsel

 

On my original post, going through each customer, there was a marked increase 
in usage overall, people coming in as it got cold, that combined with the 
increased noise floor (cooler weather, corn buffer being gone) and whatever was 
going on in the atmosphere and too many poor installs, it was a perfect storm 
that should have been expected. pulling all the heavy users off to other 
systems, downtilting APs, and lowering the maximum rate sold on this system 
after doing the fresh coordination and implementing some of the recomendations 
on configs seems to have brought it to manageable disaster.

 

Rumor is Rise is "upgrading" around Thanksgiving in the area. I would like to 
see how baicell performs when that environment shows up. What is the deal on 
the 1W and 10W base station with baicells?

 

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 10/13/16 6:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

With that tree scenario, do you still feel you’re protected from
interference in unlicensed spectrum, or if others start using the band,
will you be screwed with those signal levels?



In a situation where the customer is buried in trees, I figure the trees
will probably block most interference, but upstream may be vulnerable.
If it’s a “forest town” as you describe, are you counting on CBRS and
the spectrum database to protect against interference?



Forest of trees seems like TVWS would have a better chance than anything in the 
GHz range.

~Setj





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] reselling SIP

2016-10-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services
side. We are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its
traversing our ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider,
or are we still able to hide out as an ISP

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 10/13/16 07:49, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

is TVWS still a thing? I thought it was hanging out with the Edsel





Maybe. There's at least two vendors with TVWS gear at wispapalooza.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Theres probably a homeless guy in the back end of the abandoned building i
work in selling crack, I dont know that that means its actually a viable
alternative to my coffee

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/13/16 07:49, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>> is TVWS still a thing? I thought it was hanging out with the Edsel
>>
>>
>
>
> Maybe. There's at least two vendors with TVWS gear at wispapalooza.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 10/13/16 08:11, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I got a WISPAPALOOZA related email from a TVWS vendor I’d never heard of
before.  Still didn’t pique my interest.  I think TVWS is now at best a
niche solution, maybe for monitoring “things” in remote areas.



I see it as something like if your options for internet are TVWS, 
satellite, or nothing. But then again people are testing LTE gear at low 
signals with low throughput and accept it because LTE.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for the 
voice services.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services side. We 
are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its traversing our 
ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider, or are we still 
able to hide out as an ISP

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

The objection to something like Exede satellite (other than a few areas with no 
spot beams) is if I stream more than a couple movies per week, I go over my 
data cap unless I watch in the middle of the night.

Can you really say TVWS solves that problem?  Especially since satellite will 
probably continue to evolve and push up their data caps?

Personally, I don't see what's so terrible about setting the DVR on your sat TV 
or using the original Netflix DVD by mail service, if you want to live in the 
middle of nowhere.  But obviously I'm out of step with the times.  To quote 
Louis CK, "everything's amazing, nobody's happy".  TVWS should be fine, but 
nobody's going to be happy with it, now that the Internet has been subverted to 
be the cheap entertainment superhighway.  (Did Doug Clark trademark that term?)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

On 10/13/16 08:11, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I got a WISPAPALOOZA related email from a TVWS vendor I’d never heard 
> of before.  Still didn’t pique my interest.  I think TVWS is now at 
> best a niche solution, maybe for monitoring “things” in remote areas.

I see it as something like if your options for internet are TVWS, satellite, or 
nothing. But then again people are testing LTE gear at low signals with low 
throughput and accept it because LTE.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Bill Prince


You're sitting in a chair... in the sky.


bp


On 10/13/2016 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The objection to something like Exede satellite (other than a few areas with no 
spot beams) is if I stream more than a couple movies per week, I go over my 
data cap unless I watch in the middle of the night.

Can you really say TVWS solves that problem?  Especially since satellite will 
probably continue to evolve and push up their data caps?

Personally, I don't see what's so terrible about setting the DVR on your sat TV or using 
the original Netflix DVD by mail service, if you want to live in the middle of nowhere.  
But obviously I'm out of step with the times.  To quote Louis CK, "everything's 
amazing, nobody's happy".  TVWS should be fine, but nobody's going to be happy with 
it, now that the Internet has been subverted to be the cheap entertainment superhighway.  
(Did Doug Clark trademark that term?)


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

On 10/13/16 08:11, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I got a WISPAPALOOZA related email from a TVWS vendor I’d never heard
of before.  Still didn’t pique my interest.  I think TVWS is now at
best a niche solution, maybe for monitoring “things” in remote areas.


I see it as something like if your options for internet are TVWS, satellite, or 
nothing. But then again people are testing LTE gear at low signals with low 
throughput and accept it because LTE.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

2016-10-13 Thread Adam Moffett

Something like that.  IANAL either, but I think there are still lots of 
people flying under the radar on this issue.  If the underlying carrier 
is doing the taxes and USF and such then there might not be any red flag 
there where somebody would notice.


That doesn't mean your compliant with the law and it doesn't mean the 
correct taxes are being paid.


I did learn at one point that if your USF contributions total less than 
$10,000 / year that you're a "de minimus" provider and you're just 
supposed to keep the money.  You might want to look into getting it done 
rightThere must be a level of volume where the legal and accounting 
expense is covered by the USF fees you would have to collect.




-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/13/2016 11:41:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for 
the voice services.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] reselling SIP



We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services 
side. We are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if 
its traversing our ISP network does that technically make us a voice 
provider, or are we still able to hide out as an ISP




--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like CPNI 
and possibly outage reporting, plus surprise surprise, you still have to pay 
some fees like TRS and NANP.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

Something like that.  IANAL either, but I think there are still lots of people 
flying under the radar on this issue.  If the underlying carrier is doing the 
taxes and USF and such then there might not be any red flag there where 
somebody would notice.

That doesn't mean your compliant with the law and it doesn't mean the correct 
taxes are being paid.  

I did learn at one point that if your USF contributions total less than $10,000 
/ year that you're a "de minimus" provider and you're just supposed to keep the 
money.  You might want to look into getting it done rightThere must be a 
level of volume where the legal and accounting expense is covered by the USF 
fees you would have to collect.

-- Original Message --

From: "Ken Hohhof" <  af...@kwisp.com>

To:   af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/13/2016 11:41:42 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for the 
voice services.

From: Af [mailto:  af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services side. We 
are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its traversing our 
ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider, or are we still 
able to hide out as an ISP

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

2016-10-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

One of the providers bills the customer directly, we just get commission, I
assume that leaves us free of the potential issue?

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like
> CPNI and possibly outage reporting, plus surprise surprise, you still have
> to pay some fees like TRS and NANP.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>
>
>
> Something like that.  IANAL either, but I think there are still lots of
> people flying under the radar on this issue.  If the underlying carrier is
> doing the taxes and USF and such then there might not be any red flag there
> where somebody would notice.
>
>
>
> That doesn't mean your compliant with the law and it doesn't mean the
> *correct* taxes are being paid.
>
>
>
> I did learn at one point that if your USF contributions total less than
> $10,000 / year that you're a "de minimus" provider and you're just supposed
> to keep the money.  You might want to look into getting it done
> rightThere must be a level of volume where the legal and accounting
> expense is covered by the USF fees you would have to collect.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Ken Hohhof" <*af...@kwisp.com* >
>
> To: *af@afmug.com* 
>
> Sent: 10/13/2016 11:41:42 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>
>
>
> IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for the
> voice services.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com* ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* *af@afmug.com* 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>
>
>
> We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services
> side. We are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its
> traversing our ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider,
> or are we still able to hide out as an ISP
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

2016-10-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Note, Ive never looked directly at our reseller agreements terms and
conditions, it could be legally wrangled in our favor already, but I cant
see any reason for a provider to blanket us

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One of the providers bills the customer directly, we just get commission,
> I assume that leaves us free of the potential issue?
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like
>> CPNI and possibly outage reporting, plus surprise surprise, you still have
>> to pay some fees like TRS and NANP.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:16 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>>
>>
>>
>> Something like that.  IANAL either, but I think there are still lots of
>> people flying under the radar on this issue.  If the underlying carrier is
>> doing the taxes and USF and such then there might not be any red flag there
>> where somebody would notice.
>>
>>
>>
>> That doesn't mean your compliant with the law and it doesn't mean the
>> *correct* taxes are being paid.
>>
>>
>>
>> I did learn at one point that if your USF contributions total less than
>> $10,000 / year that you're a "de minimus" provider and you're just supposed
>> to keep the money.  You might want to look into getting it done
>> rightThere must be a level of volume where the legal and accounting
>> expense is covered by the USF fees you would have to collect.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <*af...@kwisp.com* >
>>
>> To: *af@afmug.com* 
>>
>> Sent: 10/13/2016 11:41:42 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>>
>>
>>
>> IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for
>> the voice services.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com* ] *On
>> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM
>> *To:* *af@afmug.com* 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>>
>>
>>
>> We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services
>> side. We are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its
>> traversing our ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider,
>> or are we still able to hide out as an ISP
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

2016-10-13 Thread Josh Reynolds

For a non-facilities based provider?

IANAL either, but that doesn't sound right I don't think.

On Oct 13, 2016 11:23 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like
> CPNI and possibly outage reporting, plus surprise surprise, you still have
> to pay some fees like TRS and NANP.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>
>
>
> Something like that.  IANAL either, but I think there are still lots of
> people flying under the radar on this issue.  If the underlying carrier is
> doing the taxes and USF and such then there might not be any red flag there
> where somebody would notice.
>
>
>
> That doesn't mean your compliant with the law and it doesn't mean the
> *correct* taxes are being paid.
>
>
>
> I did learn at one point that if your USF contributions total less than
> $10,000 / year that you're a "de minimus" provider and you're just supposed
> to keep the money.  You might want to look into getting it done
> rightThere must be a level of volume where the legal and accounting
> expense is covered by the USF fees you would have to collect.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Ken Hohhof" <*af...@kwisp.com* >
>
> To: *af@afmug.com* 
>
> Sent: 10/13/2016 11:41:42 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>
>
>
> IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for the
> voice services.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com* ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* *af@afmug.com* 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>
>
>
> We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services
> side. We are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its
> traversing our ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider,
> or are we still able to hide out as an ISP
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

So you mean like Vonage?  That would get you out of filing 477 but not 499, and 
once you start filing 499, you will get assessed TRS and NANP fees, unless 
there’s a way to get exempted from that.

 

Yes you can probably fly under the radar, but I get scared that FCC will decide 
to fine us $25K for not filing some paperwork.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

 

For a non-facilities based provider?

IANAL either, but that doesn't sound right I don't think.

 

On Oct 13, 2016 11:23 AM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like CPNI 
and possibly outage reporting, plus surprise surprise, you still have to pay 
some fees like TRS and NANP.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

 

Something like that.  IANAL either, but I think there are still lots of people 
flying under the radar on this issue.  If the underlying carrier is doing the 
taxes and USF and such then there might not be any red flag there where 
somebody would notice.

 

That doesn't mean your compliant with the law and it doesn't mean the correct 
taxes are being paid.  

 

I did learn at one point that if your USF contributions total less than $10,000 
/ year that you're a "de minimus" provider and you're just supposed to keep the 
money.  You might want to look into getting it done rightThere must be a 
level of volume where the legal and accounting expense is covered by the USF 
fees you would have to collect.

 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Ken Hohhof" <  af...@kwisp.com>

To:   af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/13/2016 11:41:42 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

 

IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for the 
voice services.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:  af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

 

We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services side. We 
are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its traversing our 
ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider, or are we still 
able to hide out as an ISP


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

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2016-10-13 Thread TJ Trout

On Oct 13, 2016 10:53 AM, "Powercode Sales Team" 
wrote:

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> 
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

2016-10-13 Thread Larry Smith

LOL, enjoy it, my dad was 89 in June and still can run me ragged...

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Thu October 13 2016 13:25, Paul McCall wrote:
> Love it !  My dad used to ride Jetskis with me into his late 70’s.  Good
> times
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man
>
> [Inline image 1] I should have got a pic with the old man hanging the EPMP
> APs to send to cambium
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> With our 320 disaster in play we are offloading to epmp, any available
> techs will be knocking out subscribers tommorrow, and I'm loading out an
> abab cluster at a grain elevator. My dad offered to help, and the boss
> approved. I'm going to have the best God d@%ned  tech tommorrow, he might
> be 76 and won't be climbing any towers but I'll guarantee tommorrow is
> going to be an efficient day. If I run into a pickle trying to figure out
> some mounting options I'll actually have some solid input. Hell, the amount
> of time I'll save not having to go through and check every bolt to see if
> it's tight alone will knock out half the work.
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Small Outdoor Rack Enclosure

2016-10-13 Thread Matt

Does anyone know of a small outdoor enclosure that will hold a few
Mikrotik CRS's?  Smaller and more lite weight the better.

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Rack Enclosure

2016-10-13 Thread Jaime Solorza

Tupperware?. Ducking I did see switch in Tupperware container at a
reservation

On Oct 13, 2016 2:46 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Does anyone know of a small outdoor enclosure that will hold a few
> Mikrotik CRS's?  Smaller and more lite weight the better.
>

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-13 Thread Adam Moffett

We tried out our Telrad LTE the other day.  LOS from 4 miles was -88dbm 
RSRP (which would be similar to -57 RSSI).  Naturally we maxed out the 
speed at that spot.  The guy moved a hundred yards or so to 
intentionally put some woods in the way.  Through about a hundred foot 
thick stand of trees we dropped to -113 RSRP (-82 RSSI).  That gave us 
5.5 to 6.0 mbps on a 5mhz channel.


Subsequent test locations gave us similar results.

This isn't bad.  It's not magically piercing through the trees as some 
sales people might lead you to believe, but it does do two things:
1) It functions (at lower and lower rates) all the way down to the noise 
floor and a little under it.
2) You get relatively good performance with a relatively weak CINR.  
What I mean here is that your wifi type thing (UBNT/ePMP) probably has a 
lot of packet loss and inconsistent throughput when you have a CINR of 
10, whereas LTE with CINR 10 actually seems pretty stable.


So yeah Ken, I guess I'm telling you what you already suspected.  You 
might be happy if you need to get through 50' to 100' of foliage.  If 
you need to go a mile through the woods you are still looking for 
900mhz.




-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/12/2016 9:08:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

So far we're seeing no better than about -88 RSRP. Most places we 
tested was right around -100. All Non-LOS. Very Non-LOS. Within a mile. 
And the nitwits didn't get my memo that I wanted to collect CINRs and 
mod rates too. They were able to still get about 7Mbps down (less than 
50kbps up tho) with about a -115 RSRP. And I did double check that 
we're not exceeding the 1W/MHz EIRP cap. We're going to do some more 
testing tomorrow.


On 10/11/2016 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I hope it works for you through the solid mile of trees, I’m skeptical 
though.  It seems to me like a golfer trying every new brand of club 
and ball that comes out hoping to find one that goes straight through 
a mile of trees to the green.  You may get incremental improvement, 
but I know people in that situation whose cellphones don’t work.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult



I haven't changed or turned on anything new facing you. And I don't do 
alternate freqs on the 450's even though sometimes LBT goes to hell. 
Things have really calmed down since moving the entire 450 network 
from 13.2.1 to 14.1.2 though.


We are going to be testing a Baicell tomorrow in an isolated area and 
not even facing you. Just FYI. I have it down in the lower half of the 
band to step on the UBNT shit which I don't really care about anyway. 
A straight mile deep trees, so I doubt we'll even see it on any other 
sectors.


On 10/10/2016 11:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Ive been beating the hell out of my network this last week with the 
320 going to shit. The UBNT 3ghz hasnt gotten any worse that it was


I went as far as shutting down the majority of the 3 ghz to get 
spectrums. Went through and coordinated the network based on those. i 
added QOS profiles with harq, it got me management of most of the 
CPEs, the customer experience is deplorable, theyre all probably 
trump supporters.


Im going to let this sit for a few more days to see if Im just 
fighting the atmosphere. If it doesnt resolve, Ill need to hail mary 
and expert for a paid gig to get on my network with me for a few 
hours one evening soon and put into words for my boss just why it is 
he should not hire incompetent boobs like me to run his network, and 
hopefully offer some advice on how i can save face.


im getting in a bunch of packetflux so all the 320 is synced (there 
are a few outliers that never got sync as other projects took 
priority and I have a couple base units that lost communication with 
the syncinjectors. I figure if I get everything on the same sync 
product I unsure theres not some diode between manufacturer products 
offsetting the puls by a few nanoseconds.


I see a forklift in the near term of ubnt 3ghz to epmp 5ghz to free 
up spectrum for 450, which i assume will destroy the remaining 320.






Please hit me offlist if you will be available for a contract





--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Syncbox Junior Aux Port Version

2016-10-13 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Aux port:  95% sure this coming week.  Would have been late last week or
early this week except for wispapalooza prep and attendance.  The 5% is the
likelihood that something unexpected in manufacturing causes a schedule
slip.

Rackmount:  Decemberish.  I have functional devices,  and have the first
mechanical case sample which I was showing at wispapalooza.

I expect one more mechanical sample and then we'll be ordering production
quantity cases.  This puts us 30 days out.   There is some software to
finish integration on,  which should take about the same time.

On Oct 13, 2016 6:14 AM, "Matt"  wrote:

Is there a shipping date yet?

http://store.packetflux.com/syncbox-junior-aux-port-version/

Also, any time frame on the 1u syncinjector?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

2016-10-13 Thread Chuck McCown

My church only takes dollars...

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

 

I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money and 
pay less tax.

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler  wrote:

  Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal

  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  > On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
  >
  > I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up those phones 
Samsung... LOL
  >
  > This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is better than most 
bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has made a 16% annual return over the 
last 5 years. Even if their stock just holds (which it won't now because of the 
Samsung thing, etc), it's making 2% and it's still "liquid" according to the 
banks, which helps on personal financial statements.
  >
  > AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church as a 
charitable donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the increase if you sold 
it first, you just transfer it at the current value. Amazing the tax tricks 
these church going people come up with... LOL
  >
  > Travis
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

2016-10-13 Thread Chuck McCown

I whipped my largest/beefiest son (26 years old) in arm wrestling a week 
ago.  It was a bit of a pyrrhic victory.  (look it up) (arm/shoulder hurt 
for days afterwards)

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Smith

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

LOL, enjoy it, my dad was 89 in June and still can run me ragged...

--
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Thu October 13 2016 13:25, Paul McCall wrote:

Love it !  My dad used to ride Jetskis with me into his late 70’s.  Good
times

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

[Inline image 1] I should have got a pic with the old man hanging the EPMP
APs to send to cambium

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

With our 320 disaster in play we are offloading to epmp, any available
techs will be knocking out subscribers tommorrow, and I'm loading out an
abab cluster at a grain elevator. My dad offered to help, and the boss
approved. I'm going to have the best God d@%ned  tech tommorrow, he might
be 76 and won't be climbing any towers but I'll guarantee tommorrow is
going to be an efficient day. If I run into a pickle trying to figure out
some mounting options I'll actually have some solid input. Hell, the 
amount

of time I'll save not having to go through and check every bolt to see if
it's tight alone will knock out half the work.

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

2016-10-13 Thread Jaime Solorza

Really.. ??  We have to explain Pyrrhic victory to these guys..  They are a
bright bunch

On Oct 13, 2016 6:24 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I whipped my largest/beefiest son (26 years old) in arm wrestling a week
> ago.  It was a bit of a pyrrhic victory.  (look it up) (arm/shoulder hurt
> for days afterwards)
>
> -Original Message- From: Larry Smith
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man
>
> LOL, enjoy it, my dad was 89 in June and still can run me ragged...
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Thu October 13 2016 13:25, Paul McCall wrote:
>
>> Love it !  My dad used to ride Jetskis with me into his late 70’s.  Good
>> times
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man
>>
>> [Inline image 1] I should have got a pic with the old man hanging the EPMP
>> APs to send to cambium
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> With our 320 disaster in play we are offloading to epmp, any available
>> techs will be knocking out subscribers tommorrow, and I'm loading out an
>> abab cluster at a grain elevator. My dad offered to help, and the boss
>> approved. I'm going to have the best God d@%ned  tech tommorrow, he might
>> be 76 and won't be climbing any towers but I'll guarantee tommorrow is
>> going to be an efficient day. If I run into a pickle trying to figure out
>> some mounting options I'll actually have some solid input. Hell, the
>> amount
>> of time I'll save not having to go through and check every bolt to see if
>> it's tight alone will knock out half the work.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

2016-10-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Ive always said every old man has one ass whoopin left in him, never knew
it was called a pyrrhic victory. My nephew was about 17 a few years when he
decides he could fight my brother, my brother apparently wasnt old enough
to have that aswhoopin in his store and had to tap my dad in while he took
a breather, needless to say my nephew learned a valuable lesson as the life
was being choked out of him.
I was always smart enough never to call an old man old man in a fighting
tone.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I whipped my largest/beefiest son (26 years old) in arm wrestling a week
> ago.  It was a bit of a pyrrhic victory.  (look it up) (arm/shoulder hurt
> for days afterwards)
>
> -Original Message- From: Larry Smith
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:56 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man
>
> LOL, enjoy it, my dad was 89 in June and still can run me ragged...
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Thu October 13 2016 13:25, Paul McCall wrote:
>
>> Love it !  My dad used to ride Jetskis with me into his late 70’s.  Good
>> times
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man
>>
>> [Inline image 1] I should have got a pic with the old man hanging the EPMP
>> APs to send to cambium
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> With our 320 disaster in play we are offloading to epmp, any available
>> techs will be knocking out subscribers tommorrow, and I'm loading out an
>> abab cluster at a grain elevator. My dad offered to help, and the boss
>> approved. I'm going to have the best God d@%ned  tech tommorrow, he might
>> be 76 and won't be climbing any towers but I'll guarantee tommorrow is
>> going to be an efficient day. If I run into a pickle trying to figure out
>> some mounting options I'll actually have some solid input. Hell, the
>> amount
>> of time I'll save not having to go through and check every bolt to see if
>> it's tight alone will knock out half the work.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Syncbox Junior Aux Port Version

2016-10-13 Thread George Skorup


Yay, Christmas presents!

On 10/13/2016 5:56 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


Aux port:  95% sure this coming week.  Would have been late last week 
or early this week except for wispapalooza prep and attendance.  The 
5% is the likelihood that something unexpected in manufacturing causes 
a schedule slip.


Rackmount:  Decemberish.  I have functional devices, and have the 
first mechanical case sample which I was showing at wispapalooza.


I expect one more mechanical sample and then we'll be ordering 
production quantity cases.  This puts us 30 days out. There is some 
software to finish integration on,  which should take about the same 
time.



On Oct 13, 2016 6:14 AM, "Matt" > wrote:


Is there a shipping date yet?

http://store.packetflux.com/syncbox-junior-aux-port-version/


Also, any time frame on the 1u syncinjector?

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
able to use it

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>
>
>
> What are the big highlights of the show?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Also as the industry keeps getting bigger with things like WISP-PAC and
stuff there are more and more attorneys showing up and being needed for
various parts of running your business, filling out FCC forms, etc. I am
proposing that these attorneys should only be allowed to charge hourly
rates based on how tall of a WISP tower they are willing to climb, so 100'
tower would be $100.00/per hour and so on lol

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
> able to use it
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
>> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the big highlights of the show?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Josh Reynolds

They have been working for awhile with various vendors to have different
mounting options. Not sure when each will be released though.

On Oct 13, 2016 9:20 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
> able to use it
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
>> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the big highlights of the show?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Josh Baird

A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
dishes are you planning on using?

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
> able to use it
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
>> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the big highlights of the show?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Eric Kuhnke

If the radios are $1500 for a pair...

Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than
$2000 a piece with shipping.

Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.

Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.


And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.


On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
> dishes are you planning on using?
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
>> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
>> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
>> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
>> able to use it
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>>
>>> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>>
>>> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
>>> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the big highlights of the show?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.  That 
seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut butter 
and jelly sandwich.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

If the radios are $1500 for a pair...

Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than 
$2000 a piece with shipping.

 

Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.

Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.



And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of dishes 
are you planning on using?

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use it 
though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing dishes 
out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000 link (with 
FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be able to use 
it

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that :)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  
Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP






  _  


From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP






  _  


From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys?

 

What are the big highlights of the show?

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Eric Kuhnke

I wouldn't, but some people will. Installing and aiming a pair of 4' or 6'
dishes is the expensive part, but the dishes can be good for 20 years.
Radios can always be upgraded.

Even a pair of $1300 dishes + $1500 of radios + FCC coordination + misc
parts + climbing/mount expenses will easily bring a total to $6000.



On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.
> That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut
> butter and jelly sandwich.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>
> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than
> $2000 a piece with shipping.
>
>
>
> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>
> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>
> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
> dishes are you planning on using?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
> able to use it
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> 
> --
> 
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [*mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com*] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
> *To:* *af@afmug.com*
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> *Intelligent Computing Solutions*
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>
>
>
> What are the big highlights of the show?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
> *pa...@pdmnet.net*
>
> *www.pdmnet.com*
>
> *www.floridabroadband.com*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

o youre gonna get an offlist from ubnt now pal

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.
> That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut
> butter and jelly sandwich.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>
> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than
> $2000 a piece with shipping.
>
>
>
> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>
> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>
> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
> dishes are you planning on using?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
> able to use it
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> 
> --
> 
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [*mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com*] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
> *To:* *af@afmug.com*
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> *Intelligent Computing Solutions*
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>
>
>
> What are the big highlights of the show?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
> *pa...@pdmnet.net*
>
> *www.pdmnet.com*
>
> *www.floridabroadband.com*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Ben Moore

ha...Going to get it on the list... ;)

In all seriousness, look forward to hearing some results from the field
with these guys outside of just beta customers ;)

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:08 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> o youre gonna get an offlist from ubnt now pal
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.
>> That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut
>> butter and jelly sandwich.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>>
>> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more
>> than $2000 a piece with shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>>
>> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>>
>> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
>> dishes are you planning on using?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
>> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
>> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
>> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
>> able to use it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>
>> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>>
>> *The Brothers WISP*
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
>> *To: **af@afmug.com*
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [*mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com*] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
>> *To:* *af@afmug.com*
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> *Intelligent Computing Solutions*
>>
>> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>>
>> *The Brothers WISP*
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
>> *To: **af@afmug.com*
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
>> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the big highlights of the show?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> *772-564-6800*
>>
>> *pa...@pdmnet.net*
>>
>> *www.pdmnet.com*
>>
>> *www.floridabroadband.com*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Josh Baird

Exactly what I was thinking..

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.
> That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut
> butter and jelly sandwich.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>
> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than
> $2000 a piece with shipping.
>
>
>
> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>
> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>
> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
> dishes are you planning on using?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
> able to use it
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> 
> --
> 
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [*mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com*] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
> *To:* *af@afmug.com*
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> *Intelligent Computing Solutions*
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" <*pa...@pdmnet.net*>
> *To: **af@afmug.com*
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>
>
>
> What are the big highlights of the show?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
> *pa...@pdmnet.net*
>
> *www.pdmnet.com*
>
> *www.floridabroadband.com*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> 
>
>   
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>   
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>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

Hey, I buy airFibers, and I eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.  But the 
proper beverage with a PB&J is milk.  With pizza, beer.  And a fine wine goes 
with SpaghettiOs.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

o youre gonna get an offlist from ubnt now pal

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.  That 
seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut butter 
and jelly sandwich.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

If the radios are $1500 for a pair...

Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than 
$2000 a piece with shipping.

 

Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.

Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.

And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of dishes 
are you planning on using?

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use it 
though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing dishes 
out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000 link (with 
FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be able to use 
it

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that :)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  
Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





  

  
  _  


 

  

From:   "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Got a Link? Can’t seem to find it?

   

From:   Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

   

Look at the TBW FB page.    ;-)

  

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP






  
  _  


From:   "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys?  

   

What are the big highlights of the show?  

   

Paul  

   

Paul McCall, President  

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.  

658 Old Dixie Highway  

Vero Beach, FL 32962  

772-564-6800    

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

   

   

   

   

   

 

   

   





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Mathew Howard

If I remember correctly, our Mimosa B11 links worked out to just over $6k,
including everything (using 2' dishes)... since these radios are about $1k
cheaper per radio, I would guess the typical link won't be much over $4k.


On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>
> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than
> $2000 a piece with shipping.
>
> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>
> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>
>
> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
>> dishes are you planning on using?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to
>>> use it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the
>>> existing dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have
>>> $6000 link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part
>>> to be able to use it
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>>
 I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights



 It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --

 *From: *"Paul McCall" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights



 Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --

 *From: *"Paul McCall" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
 can I live vicariously through you guys?



 What are the big highlights of the show?



 Paul



 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800

 pa...@pdmnet.net

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com









>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Ben Moore

mmm...PB&J with a glass of milk sounds very, very good right now...

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Hey, I buy airFibers, and I eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.  But
> the proper beverage with a PB&J is milk.  With pizza, beer.  And a fine
> wine goes with SpaghettiOs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> o youre gonna get an offlist from ubnt now pal
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.
> That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut
> butter and jelly sandwich.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>
> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than
> $2000 a piece with shipping.
>
>
>
> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>
> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>
> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
> dishes are you planning on using?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
> able to use it
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>
>
>
> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
>
>
> 
>
> 
> --
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> *From: "Paul McCall" To: af@afmug.comSent: Thursday,
> October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
> *
>
> *Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it? *
>
> *  *
>
>
>
>
> *From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike HammettSent:
> Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG]
> Wispapalooza highlights *
>
> *  *
>
> *Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-) *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet
> ExchangeThe Brothers WISP *
> *-- *
>
>
>
>
> *From: "Paul McCall" To: af@afmug.comSent: Wednesday,
> October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PMSubject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
> *
>
> *Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
> can I live vicariously through you guys? *
>
> *  *
>
> *What are the big highlights of the show? *
>
> *  *
>
> *Paul *
>
> *  *
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. *
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway *
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962 *
>
> *772-564-6800  *
>
> *pa...@pdmnet.net *
>
> *www.pdmnet.com *
>
> *www.floridabroadband.com *
>
> *  *
>
> *  *
>
> *  *
>
> *  *
>
> *  *
>
>
>
>   
>
>   
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part o

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-13 Thread Josh Reynolds

Some will use this as an upgrade to their existing 11GHz links and
say, radiowaves dishes they already have mounted.

I believe the FCC site had a couple of dish models and vendors the
radio was working with...

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> I wouldn't, but some people will. Installing and aiming a pair of 4' or 6'
> dishes is the expensive part, but the dishes can be good for 20 years.
> Radios can always be upgraded.
>
> Even a pair of $1300 dishes + $1500 of radios + FCC coordination + misc
> parts + climbing/mount expenses will easily bring a total to $6000.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Why would you  choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes.
>> That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut
>> butter and jelly sandwich.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> If the radios are $1500 for a pair...
>>
>> Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than
>> $2000 a piece with shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>> Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees.
>>
>> Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes.
>>
>> And that's not even considering the possibility of $3300 6' 11 GHz dishes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>> A $6000 link?  I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side?  What kind of
>> dishes are you planning on using?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use
>> it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing
>> dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000
>> link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be
>> able to use it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
>>
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>
>> The Brothers WISP
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: "Paul McCall" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>
>> The Brothers WISP
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: "Paul McCall" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
>>
>> Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane,
>> can I live vicariously through you guys?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the big highlights of the show?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] PTP450 and PMP450 for 900mhz

2016-10-13 Thread Jon Langeler

Is it possible to GPS sync them perfectly or is this something to avoid?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

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