Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Stefan Englhardt]

Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and made 
for people who barely could read but don't understand.But serious papers don't 
like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad picture of US to other nations. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Black Panthers already do that

On Oct 15, 2016 11:24 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> That's not what this is. Not at all.
>
> They have gone frickin batsh$& crazy. It's the internet equivalent of a
> mob, but they're actually pretty organized. They are staging their own
> rallies, etc. They have plans to go in large groups to the polling
> locations to "prod voters into making the right choices".
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 11:17 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't be the first time someone posed as republican, making
>> inflammatory comments, to try to discredit them.
>>
>> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You don't see that in /r/Hillary , /r/politics, etc.
>>>
>>> There are 230,000 REGISTERED in /r/the_Donald , not just viewers and
>>> occasional commenters. All moderates were expelled about 6 months back. If
>>> you don't have blind devotion, then you are a "cuck", and they will
>>> threaten and sometimes "dox" you. It's insanity.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 9:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they
>>> win. We are all Internet pimps here, we push the product that
>>> facilitates this rhetoric getting a voice. It's a very minimum
>>> number on either side, but our main hoe makes it seem like more
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile in Germany:
>>>
>>> _http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-e
>>> in-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html_>> /ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html>
>>>
>>> And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaignwritesthat after
>>> the election:
>>>
>>> “I think what you’re gonna see isSteve Bannonmonetizing 30
>>> percent of the electorate into aUKIP-style movement and a
>>> billion-dollar media business.”
>>>
>>> _http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/
>>> republicans-after-trump-alt-right_>> -and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh
>>> Reynolds
>>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>>> assassination at his rallies
>>>
>>> Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit
>>>
>>> Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
>>> beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst
>>> of humanity. It's /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational
>>> thought there, no moderates, just a frenzy of insanity
>>> spouting violent revolution should Trump lose. "If he wins, we
>>> beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it was
>>> all rigged!"
>>>
>>> I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is
>>> what the fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you,
>>> I'm not calling Trump Hitler - just comparing the environment.
>>>
>>> I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting
>>> for Trump. That is their American right! What's going on in
>>> that subreddit and across the nation in various enclaves
>>> though is downright terrifying.
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> How do you cure stupidity? Wow, wow, wow...
>>>
>>> Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
>>>
>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-
>>> trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-amo
>>> ng-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html
>>> >> -trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-
>>> among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Josh Reynolds]

That's not what this is. Not at all.

They have gone frickin batsh$& crazy. It's the internet equivalent of a
mob, but they're actually pretty organized. They are staging their own
rallies, etc. They have plans to go in large groups to the polling
locations to "prod voters into making the right choices".

On Oct 15, 2016 11:17 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Wouldn't be the first time someone posed as republican, making
> inflammatory comments, to try to discredit them.
>
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>>
>> You don't see that in /r/Hillary , /r/politics, etc.
>>
>> There are 230,000 REGISTERED in /r/the_Donald , not just viewers and
>> occasional commenters. All moderates were expelled about 6 months back. If
>> you don't have blind devotion, then you are a "cuck", and they will
>> threaten and sometimes "dox" you. It's insanity.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 9:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they
>> win. We are all Internet pimps here, we push the product that
>> facilitates this rhetoric getting a voice. It's a very minimum
>> number on either side, but our main hoe makes it seem like more
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > > wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile in Germany:
>>
>> _http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-
>> ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html_> ik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html>
>>
>> And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaignwritesthat after
>> the election:
>>
>> “I think what you’re gonna see isSteve Bannonmonetizing 30
>> percent of the electorate into aUKIP-style movement and a
>> billion-dollar media business.”
>>
>> _http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/
>> republicans-after-trump-alt-right_> policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right
>> >
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>> Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit
>>
>> Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
>> beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst
>> of humanity. It's /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational
>> thought there, no moderates, just a frenzy of insanity
>> spouting violent revolution should Trump lose. "If he wins, we
>> beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it was
>> all rigged!"
>>
>> I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is
>> what the fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you,
>> I'm not calling Trump Hitler - just comparing the environment.
>>
>> I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting
>> for Trump. That is their American right! What's going on in
>> that subreddit and across the nation in various enclaves
>> though is downright terrifying.
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> How do you cure stupidity? Wow, wow, wow...
>>
>> Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
>>
>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-
>> trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-
>> among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html
>> > -trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-
>> anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Jay Weekley]

Wouldn't be the first time someone posed as republican, making 
inflammatory comments, to try to discredit them.


Josh Reynolds wrote:


You don't see that in /r/Hillary , /r/politics, etc.

There are 230,000 REGISTERED in /r/the_Donald , not just viewers and 
occasional commenters. All moderates were expelled about 6 months 
back. If you don't have blind devotion, then you are a "cuck", and 
they will threaten and sometimes "dox" you. It's insanity.



On Oct 15, 2016 9:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:


It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they
win. We are all Internet pimps here, we push the product that
facilitates this rhetoric getting a voice. It's a very minimum
number on either side, but our main hoe makes it seem like more


On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

Meanwhile in Germany:


_http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html_

And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaignwritesthat after
the election:

“I think what you’re gonna see isSteve Bannonmonetizing 30
percent of the electorate into aUKIP-style movement and a
billion-dollar media business.”


_http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right_

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
assassination at his rallies

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit

Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst
of humanity. It's /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational
thought there, no moderates, just a frenzy of insanity
spouting violent revolution should Trump lose. "If he wins, we
beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it was
all rigged!"

I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is
what the fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you,
I'm not calling Trump Hitler - just comparing the environment.

I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting
for Trump. That is their American right! What's going on in
that subreddit and across the nation in various enclaves
though is downright terrifying.

On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
> wrote:

How do you cure stupidity? Wow, wow, wow...

Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies


https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Re: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

[TJ Trout]

ccr1009 has two psu also. nope not backwards because I tested both psu's
separate.

The ccr1036 initially came with one psu and two headers fully wired to
work, then later without notification they removed the second header pins
but left the smd components so u just needed to add header pins, now they
have again revised the design with no header pins and no regs so your only
option is diodes (i think) funny thing is they state they cannot install
dual psu's because the design is so old and they can't revise it, lol

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Don’t get mad, but just making sure, you didn’t by chance get the second
> diode in backwards?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness
>
>
>
> The CCR1016-12S-1S+ and CCR1072 are the only two that have dual supplies
> built in into the chassis. Most Routerboards support redundant power via
> jack and POE. The CCR1036 obviously doesn't support POE input. I thought it
> has two internal power connectors, but only one is used? Maybe I'm thinking
> of something else.
>
> On 10/15/2016 8:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I know  you know this.  Diode voltage drop depends on current.  If the
> router has times when it is drawing significantly less current, then the
> voltage drop will be less and vice versa.  I know everyone cites .6 volts
> for a PN silicon junction but it is more like double  that on many power
> rectifiers.  A common 1N4004 has a 1 volt drop at 1 amp.  But only about .2
> volts down in the microamp region.
> --
>
> *From: *"TJ Trout"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:43:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness
>
> to increase reliability on my new ccr1036 router, I decided to add a
> second 24v psu and isolate the two with rectifier diodes. The factory PSU
> puts out about 24v, after the diode drop it's about 23 and change, I
> installed a second psu and adjusted the output to 22v or about 21 and
> change after the diode.
>
> I installed the router and started monitoring the reported voltage by SNMP
> logging, I noticed it started out at 23v and then has been slowly jumping
> down and back up to 22v any idea why it wouldn't just keep taking power
> from the source with the highest voltage?
>
>
>
> Is this going to be a problem? I was hoping to monitor for main psu
> failure by sending an alert below 23v which would tell me if the main PSU
> failed but for some reason this isn't working as planned...
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/15/16 5:45 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit

Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of
humanity. It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there,
no moderates, just a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution
should Trump lose. "If he wins, we beat the system! Make America Great
Again! If he loses, it was all rigged!"




/b/ is far more civilized.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Ken Hohhof]

It’s easy to be a tough guy on Reddit.  Reminds me of the episode of Big Bang 
Theory where Penny kicked the Internet bully in the nuts and got Sheldon’s 
battle ostrich back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHoTe4Ixn24 
 =youtu.be

 

Remember how well the Bundy revolution at the Oregon wildlife refuge worked 
out?  The popular backing for their cause in real life was not what they had 
imagined.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

 

Naah, the left goes to fb live, twitter, YouTube in a pinch, they're all about 
immediate gratification

 

On Oct 15, 2016 9:48 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  > wrote:

You don't see that in /r/Hillary , /r/politics, etc. 

There are 230,000 REGISTERED in /r/the_Donald , not just viewers and occasional 
commenters. All moderates were expelled about 6 months back. If you don't have 
blind devotion, then you are a "cuck", and they will threaten and sometimes 
"dox" you. It's insanity.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 9:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they win. We are 
all Internet pimps here, we push the product that facilitates this rhetoric 
getting a voice. It's a very minimum number on either side, but our main hoe 
makes it seem like more

 

On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

Meanwhile in Germany:

 

 
http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html

And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaign writes that after the election:

“I think what you’re gonna see is Steve Bannon monetizing 30 percent of the 
electorate into a UKIP-style movement and a billion-dollar media business.”

 

 
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM

To: af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit

Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism, 
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity. 
It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates, just 
a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose. "If he 
wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it was all 
rigged!"

I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the fervor 
was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump Hitler - 
just comparing the environment.

I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump. That 
is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across the 
nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.

On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow... 

Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i feel the internet is very very far to the left or far far to the right.  no 
middle ground.
the media...wellfar far far far to the left.
i've pretty much tuned it out

  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies


  It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they win. We are 
all Internet pimps here, we push the product that facilitates this rhetoric 
getting a voice. It's a very minimum number on either side, but our main hoe 
makes it seem like more



  On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Meanwhile in Germany:


http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html


And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaign writes that after the 
election:

“I think what you’re gonna see is Steve Bannon monetizing 30 percent of the 
electorate into a UKIP-style movement and a billion-dollar media business.”


http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
at his rallies

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit

Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism, 
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity. 
It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates, just 
a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose. "If he 
wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it was all 
rigged!"

I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the 
fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump 
Hitler - just comparing the environment.

I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump. 
That is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across the 
nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.

On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow... 

Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies


https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Naah, the left goes to fb live, twitter, YouTube in a pinch, they're all
about immediate gratification

On Oct 15, 2016 9:48 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> You don't see that in /r/Hillary , /r/politics, etc.
>
> There are 230,000 REGISTERED in /r/the_Donald , not just viewers and
> occasional commenters. All moderates were expelled about 6 months back. If
> you don't have blind devotion, then you are a "cuck", and they will
> threaten and sometimes "dox" you. It's insanity.
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 9:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they win. We
>> are all Internet pimps here, we push the product that facilitates this
>> rhetoric getting a voice. It's a very minimum number on either side, but
>> our main hoe makes it seem like more
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile in Germany:
>>
>>
>> *http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html*
>> 
>>
>> And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaign writes that after the
>> election:
>>
>> “I think what you’re gonna see is Steve Bannon monetizing 30 percent of
>> the electorate into a UKIP-style movement and a billion-dollar media
>> business.”
>>
>>
>> *http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right*
>> 
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
>> Of Josh Reynolds
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
>> at his rallies
>>
>> Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit
>>
>> Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
>> beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity.
>> It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates,
>> just a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose.
>> "If he wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it
>> was all rigged!"
>>
>> I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the
>> fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump
>> Hitler - just comparing the environment.
>>
>> I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump.
>> That is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across
>> the nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > com > wrote:
>>
>> How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow...
>>
>> Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
>>
>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-
>> trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-amo
>> ng-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Josh Reynolds]

You don't see that in /r/Hillary , /r/politics, etc.

There are 230,000 REGISTERED in /r/the_Donald , not just viewers and
occasional commenters. All moderates were expelled about 6 months back. If
you don't have blind devotion, then you are a "cuck", and they will
threaten and sometimes "dox" you. It's insanity.

On Oct 15, 2016 9:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they win. We
> are all Internet pimps here, we push the product that facilitates this
> rhetoric getting a voice. It's a very minimum number on either side, but
> our main hoe makes it seem like more
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> Meanwhile in Germany:
>
>
> *http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html*
> 
>
> And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaign writes that after the
> election:
>
> “I think what you’re gonna see is Steve Bannon monetizing 30 percent of
> the electorate into a UKIP-style movement and a billion-dollar media
> business.”
>
>
> *http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right*
> 
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of Josh Reynolds
>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
> at his rallies
>
> Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit
>
> Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
> beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity.
> It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates,
> just a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose.
> "If he wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it
> was all rigged!"
>
> I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the
> fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump
> Hitler - just comparing the environment.
>
> I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump.
> That is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across
> the nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:
>
> How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow...
>
> Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-
> trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-
> among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Ken Hohhof]

So will Trump TV be a cable channel or just on the Internet?  More business for 
us.  Well, assuming there is Internet after the revolution.  Maybe it will go 
all Planet of the Apes.  Maybe Mad Max, with pockets of Internet in the 
wasteland.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

 

It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they win. We are 
all Internet pimps here, we push the product that facilitates this rhetoric 
getting a voice. It's a very minimum number on either side, but our main hoe 
makes it seem like more

 

On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

Meanwhile in Germany:

 

 
http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html

And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaign writes that after the election:

“I think what you’re gonna see is Steve Bannon monetizing 30 percent of the 
electorate into a UKIP-style movement and a billion-dollar media business.”

 

 
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM

To: af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit

Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism, 
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity. 
It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates, just 
a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose. "If he 
wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it was all 
rigged!"

I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the fervor 
was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump Hitler - 
just comparing the environment.

I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump. That 
is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across the 
nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.

On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow... 

Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

It's the same on the left threatening assassinations should they win. We
are all Internet pimps here, we push the product that facilitates this
rhetoric getting a voice. It's a very minimum number on either side, but
our main hoe makes it seem like more

On Oct 15, 2016 8:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Meanwhile in Germany:

*http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html*


And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaign writes that after the
election:

“I think what you’re gonna see is Steve Bannon monetizing 30 percent of the
electorate into a UKIP-style movement and a billion-dollar media business.”

*http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right*


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of
Josh Reynolds

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
at his rallies

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit

Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity.
It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates,
just a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose.
"If he wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it
was all rigged!"

I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the
fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump
Hitler - just comparing the environment.

I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump.
That is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across
the nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.

On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:

How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow...

Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-
conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/
LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Re: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

[Ken Hohhof]

Don’t get mad, but just making sure, you didn’t by chance get the second diode 
in backwards?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

 

The CCR1016-12S-1S+ and CCR1072 are the only two that have dual supplies built 
in into the chassis. Most Routerboards support redundant power via jack and 
POE. The CCR1036 obviously doesn't support POE input. I thought it has two 
internal power connectors, but only one is used? Maybe I'm thinking of 
something else.

On 10/15/2016 8:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I know  you know this.  Diode voltage drop depends on current.  If the router 
has times when it is drawing significantly less current, then the voltage drop 
will be less and vice versa.  I know everyone cites .6 volts for a PN silicon 
junction but it is more like double  that on many power rectifiers.  A common 
1N4004 has a 1 volt drop at 1 amp.  But only about .2 volts down in the 
microamp region.  


  _  


From: "TJ Trout"   
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:43:04 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

to increase reliability on my new ccr1036 router, I decided to add a second 24v 
psu and isolate the two with rectifier diodes. The factory PSU puts out about 
24v, after the diode drop it's about 23 and change, I installed a second psu 
and adjusted the output to 22v or about 21 and change after the diode.

I installed the router and started monitoring the reported voltage by SNMP 
logging, I noticed it started out at 23v and then has been slowly jumping down 
and back up to 22v any idea why it wouldn't just keep taking power from the 
source with the highest voltage?

 

Is this going to be a problem? I was hoping to monitor for main psu failure by 
sending an alert below 23v which would tell me if the main PSU failed but for 
some reason this isn't working as planned...

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

[George Skorup]

The CCR1016-12S-1S+ and CCR1072 are the only two that have dual supplies 
built in into the chassis. Most Routerboards support redundant power via 
jack and POE. The CCR1036 obviously doesn't support POE input. I thought 
it has two internal power connectors, but only one is used? Maybe I'm 
thinking of something else.


On 10/15/2016 8:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I know  you know this.  Diode voltage drop depends on current.  If the 
router has times when it is drawing significantly less current, then 
the voltage drop will be less and vice versa.  I know everyone cites 
.6 volts for a PN silicon junction but it is more like double  that on 
many power rectifiers.  A common 1N4004 has a 1 volt drop at 1 amp.  
But only about .2 volts down in the microamp region.



*From: *"TJ Trout" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:43:04 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

to increase reliability on my new ccr1036 router, I decided to add
a second 24v psu and isolate the two with rectifier diodes. The
factory PSU puts out about 24v, after the diode drop it's about 23
and change, I installed a second psu and adjusted the output to
22v or about 21 and change after the diode.
I installed the router and started monitoring the reported voltage
by SNMP logging, I noticed it started out at 23v and then has been
slowly jumping down and back up to 22v any idea why it wouldn't
just keep taking power from the source with the highest voltage?
Is this going to be a problem? I was hoping to monitor for main
psu failure by sending an alert below 23v which would tell me if
the main PSU failed but for some reason this isn't working as
planned...

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Ken Hohhof]

Meanwhile in Germany:
http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump/ist-trump-ein-sexmonster-48280890.bild.html

And the guy who managed John McCain’s campaign writes that after the election:

“I think what you’re gonna see is Steve Bannon monetizing 30 percent of the 
electorate into a UKIP-style movement and a billion-dollar media business.”
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit
Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism, 
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity. 
It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates, just 
a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose. "If he 
wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it was all 
rigged!"
I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the fervor 
was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump Hitler - 
just comparing the environment.
I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump. That 
is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across the 
nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.

On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:
How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow... 
Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Re: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

[Jaime Solorza]

These work... Period
http://www.pulspower.com/products/show/product/detail/slr2100/

On Oct 15, 2016 7:23 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I know  you know this.  Diode voltage drop depends on current.  If the
> router has times when it is drawing significantly less current, then the
> voltage drop will be less and vice versa.  I know everyone cites .6 volts
> for a PN silicon junction but it is more like double  that on many power
> rectifiers.  A common 1N4004 has a 1 volt drop at 1 amp.  But only about .2
> volts down in the microamp region.
> --
>
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:43:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness
>
> to increase reliability on my new ccr1036 router, I decided to add a
> second 24v psu and isolate the two with rectifier diodes. The factory PSU
> puts out about 24v, after the diode drop it's about 23 and change, I
> installed a second psu and adjusted the output to 22v or about 21 and
> change after the diode.
> I installed the router and started monitoring the reported voltage by SNMP
> logging, I noticed it started out at 23v and then has been slowly jumping
> down and back up to 22v any idea why it wouldn't just keep taking power
> from the source with the highest voltage?
>
> Is this going to be a problem? I was hoping to monitor for main psu
> failure by sending an alert below 23v which would tell me if the main PSU
> failed but for some reason this isn't working as planned...
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

[Chuck McCown]

I know  you know this.  Diode voltage drop depends on current.  If the router 
has times when it is drawing significantly less current, then the voltage drop 
will be less and vice versa.  I know everyone cites .6 volts for a PN silicon 
junction but it is more like double  that on many power rectifiers.  A common 
1N4004 has a 1 volt drop at 1 amp.  But only about .2 volts down in the 
microamp region.  



  From: "TJ Trout" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:43:04 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

  to increase reliability on my new ccr1036 router, I decided to add a second 
24v psu and isolate the two with rectifier diodes. The factory PSU puts out 
about 24v, after the diode drop it's about 23 and change, I installed a second 
psu and adjusted the output to 22v or about 21 and change after the diode.

  I installed the router and started monitoring the reported voltage by SNMP 
logging, I noticed it started out at 23v and then has been slowly jumping down 
and back up to 22v any idea why it wouldn't just keep taking power from the 
source with the highest voltage?

  Is this going to be a problem? I was hoping to monitor for main psu failure 
by sending an alert below 23v which would tell me if the main PSU failed but 
for some reason this isn't working as planned...

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Josh Reynolds]

No comprende. Google wasn't much help in translating that either.

On Oct 15, 2016 8:15 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Sorry, you invoked Godwin on yourself
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
> Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit
>
> Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
> beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity.
> It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates,
> just a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose.
> "If he wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it
> was all rigged!"
>
> I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the
> fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump
> Hitler - just comparing the environment.
>
> I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump.
> That is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across
> the nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow...
>>
>> Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-
>> trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-
>> among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Robert]

Worked fine in Thunderbird...

On 10/15/16 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

For me too.  I use an email client.  One of my kids think I am a
dinosaur for doing so.

*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

Showed up as animated here.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Why didn’t the animated GIF come through as animated?  Is it because
I sent it embedded rather than attached?  But I’ve done that with
animated emoticons before and it worked.  Is it because I’m using
Outlook now?





*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



LOL



On Oct 15, 2016 6:51 PM, "Robert Andrews" 
wrote:

As the original webmaster at netscape, thanks for the memories

On 10/15/2016 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Yep, here’s your video:

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:48 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”.
Talk about a
confusing moment...

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is
an earlier
Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
interface.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" >
To: >
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes
through the
procedure to update the app on the smart TV?

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I
know a lot of
the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain
WiFi routers.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones
- the
netflix 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The
Roku's and
streaming boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu
seems to do
good too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and
poor peering
as far as we could tell.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify
the video is
actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was
saying it took a
long time to buffer but was fine once the picture
appeared.  That’s
what got me to thinking the latest complaint was
impatience with how
long it took before the video started playing, not
problems while it
was playing.  The next challenge is to find out what
streaming
service he is using, people tend to call them all
“Netflix”.  But I
rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because
Netflix can
switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix
and it is
stopping and starting, in my experience it’s usually
something other
than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or
packet loss, or
a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.

We have transitioned to the point where people sit down
in front of
their “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what
streaming
service, but there is only one answer if it doesn’t work
like old
fashioned TV – your Internet is too slow.  I had a
customer call
because she couldn’t watch an online class on her
computer which was
telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and
there was an
airplane symbol in 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Chuck McCown]

Sorry, you invoked Godwin on yourself

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit

Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism, 
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity. 
It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates, just 
a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose. "If he 
wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it was all 
rigged!"

I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the fervor 
was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump Hitler - 
just comparing the environment.

I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump. That 
is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across the 
nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.


On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow... 


  Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
  
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Chuck McCown]

For me too.  I use an email client.  One of my kids think I am a dinosaur for 
doing so.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

Showed up as animated here.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Why didn’t the animated GIF come through as animated?  Is it because I sent 
it embedded rather than attached?  But I’ve done that with animated emoticons 
before and it worked.  Is it because I’m using Outlook now?





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



  LOL



  On Oct 15, 2016 6:51 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

As the original webmaster at netscape, thanks for the memories

On 10/15/2016 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Yep, here’s your video:

  *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
  *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:48 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

  I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
  confusing moment...

  *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

  *Sent:*Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM

  *To:*af@afmug.com 

  *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

  I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
  Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
  interface.

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: "Ken Hohhof" >
  To: >
  Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
  Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

  In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
  procedure to update the app on the smart TV?

  Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
  the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

  *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
  *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com 
  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

  In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the
  netflix 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and
  streaming boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do
  good too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering
  as far as we could tell.

  On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

  The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
  actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a
  long time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s
  what got me to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how
  long it took before the video started playing, not problems while it
  was playing.  The next challenge is to find out what streaming
  service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I
  rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can
  switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is
  stopping and starting, in my experience it’s usually something other
  than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or
  a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.

  We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of
  their “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming
  service, but there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old
  fashioned TV – your Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call
  because she couldn’t watch an online class on her computer which was
  telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and there was an
  airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online
  college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was
  tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet
  was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
  turtle.


  *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
  *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com 
  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

  I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.

  *From:*Ken Hohhof

  *Sent:*Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

  *To:*af@afmug.com 

  *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

  But that’s not what I’m talking 

Re: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Try a bit bigger differential in voltage... 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:43:04 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

> to increase reliability on my new ccr1036 router, I decided to add a second 
> 24v
> psu and isolate the two with rectifier diodes. The factory PSU puts out about
> 24v, after the diode drop it's about 23 and change, I installed a second psu
> and adjusted the output to 22v or about 21 and change after the diode.
> I installed the router and started monitoring the reported voltage by SNMP
> logging, I noticed it started out at 23v and then has been slowly jumping down
> and back up to 22v any idea why it wouldn't just keep taking power from the
> source with the highest voltage?

> Is this going to be a problem? I was hoping to monitor for main psu failure by
> sending an alert below 23v which would tell me if the main PSU failed but for
> some reason this isn't working as planned...

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Josh Reynolds]

Don't ever read /r/the_Donald on reddit

Its a cesspool of conspiracy theory, racism, bigotry, sexism,
beyond-remotely-normal preppers, and in general just the worst of humanity.
It's  /b/ (4chan) on pcp. There's no rational thought there, no moderates,
just a frenzy of insanity spouting violent revolution should Trump lose.
"If he wins, we beat the system! Make America Great Again! If he loses, it
was all rigged!"

I've never seen anything like this. I can only imagine this is what the
fervor was when Hitler was rising to power. Mind you, I'm not calling Trump
Hitler - just comparing the environment.

I know plenty of rational people out there who will be voting for Trump.
That is their American right! What's going on in that subreddit and across
the nation in various enclaves though is downright terrifying.

On Oct 15, 2016 7:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow...
>
> Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/
> donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-
> followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html
>

[AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Jaime Solorza]

How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow...

Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Jason McKemie]

Showed up as animated here.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why didn’t the animated GIF come through as animated?  Is it because I
> sent it embedded rather than attached?  But I’ve done that with animated
> emoticons before and it worked.  Is it because I’m using Outlook now?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> LOL
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 6:51 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:
>
> As the original webmaster at netscape, thanks for the memories
>
> On 10/15/2016 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Yep, here’s your video:
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
> confusing moment...
>
> *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller
>
> *Sent:*Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
>
> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
> interface.
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" >
> To: >
> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>
> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>
> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the
> netflix 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and
> streaming boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do
> good too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering
> as far as we could tell.
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>
> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a
> long time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s
> what got me to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how
> long it took before the video started playing, not problems while it
> was playing.  The next challenge is to find out what streaming
> service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I
> rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can
> switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is
> stopping and starting, in my experience it’s usually something other
> than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or
> a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>
> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of
> their “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming
> service, but there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old
> fashioned TV – your Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call
> because she couldn’t watch an online class on her computer which was
> telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and there was an
> airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online
> college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was
> tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet
> was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
> turtle.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
> I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.
>
> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:*Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
>
> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a
> customer talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for
> the video to start playing.
>
> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.
> And I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it
> starts quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills,
> since their technology allows changing the stream quality on the
> 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL

On Oct 15, 2016 6:51 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

> As the original webmaster at netscape, thanks for the memories
>
> On 10/15/2016 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> Yep, here’s your video:
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
>> confusing moment...
>>
>> *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller
>>
>> *Sent:*Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
>> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
>> interface.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" >
>> To: >
>> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>>
>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
>> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>>
>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
>> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the
>> netflix 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and
>> streaming boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do
>> good too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering
>> as far as we could tell.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>>
>> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
>> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a
>> long time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s
>> what got me to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how
>> long it took before the video started playing, not problems while it
>> was playing.  The next challenge is to find out what streaming
>> service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I
>> rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can
>> switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is
>> stopping and starting, in my experience it’s usually something other
>> than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or
>> a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>>
>> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of
>> their “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming
>> service, but there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old
>> fashioned TV – your Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call
>> because she couldn’t watch an online class on her computer which was
>> telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and there was an
>> airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online
>> college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was
>> tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet
>> was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
>> turtle.
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>> I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.
>>
>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:*Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a
>> customer talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for
>> the video to start playing.
>>
>> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.
>> And I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it
>> starts quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills,
>> since their technology allows changing the stream quality on the
>> fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave
>> differently.
>>
>> Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I
>> don’t expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix
>> needed to stop and rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do
>> that pretty seamlessly now.
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Robert Andrews]

As the original webmaster at netscape, thanks for the memories

On 10/15/2016 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Yep, here’s your video:

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:48 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
confusing moment...

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
interface.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" >
To: >
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
procedure to update the app on the smart TV?

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the
netflix 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and
streaming boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do
good too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering
as far as we could tell.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a
long time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s
what got me to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how
long it took before the video started playing, not problems while it
was playing.  The next challenge is to find out what streaming
service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I
rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can
switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is
stopping and starting, in my experience it’s usually something other
than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or
a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.

We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of
their “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming
service, but there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old
fashioned TV – your Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call
because she couldn’t watch an online class on her computer which was
telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and there was an
airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online
college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was
tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet
was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
turtle.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a
customer talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for
the video to start playing.

And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.
And I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it
starts quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills,
since their technology allows changing the stream quality on the
fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave
differently.

Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I
don’t expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix
needed to stop and rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do
that pretty seamlessly now.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple
streams. Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around
these parts.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke 

[AFMUG] dual psu with diode, ccr1036 wierdness

[TJ Trout]

to increase reliability on my new ccr1036 router, I decided to add a second
24v psu and isolate the two with rectifier diodes. The factory PSU puts out
about 24v, after the diode drop it's about 23 and change, I installed a
second psu and adjusted the output to 22v or about 21 and change after the
diode.

I installed the router and started monitoring the reported voltage by SNMP
logging, I noticed it started out at 23v and then has been slowly jumping
down and back up to 22v any idea why it wouldn't just keep taking power
from the source with the highest voltage?

Is this going to be a problem? I was hoping to monitor for main psu failure
by sending an alert below 23v which would tell me if the main PSU failed
but for some reason this isn't working as planned...

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[Eric Kuhnke]

There's also a lot of PR bullshit that gets repeated by the technology
media and in explanations to non technical customers, such as showing
somebody a multimode OM4 cable used for intra-building 100GbE with MPO/MTP
connectors.

100GBase-SR4 optics are cheap (relatively) but require running a MPO/MTP
OM4 cable from router-to-router or router-to-agg-switch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Gigabit_Ethernet#100G_Port_Types


On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:10 AM,  wrote:

> > How many different modes can you put on a fiber???
>   Singlemode fiber supports, as it's name indicates, one fundamental mode,
> which consists of two orthogonal polarization modes.
>   Multimode fibers support more than 100 modes.
>
>   The problem is, we don't have the MIMO technology to deal with more than
> a few modes, so can't just use multimode fiber with all it's modes.
>   Most research concentrates of so called few-mode fibers with a total of
> six polarization and spatial modes.
>
> Jared
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Josh Reynolds]

My networking lab in the basement is wired :P

On Oct 15, 2016 4:49 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> My house is cat5 wired :)
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 1:28 PM
>
> Running cable takes work and people are lazy.
>
> (I have a bunch of OM4 I need to run and 2 boxes of cat6 sitting there, so
> I can't really say crap!)
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 1:23 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify
>> the $400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have
>> multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is
>> your 25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300
>> router.  And honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content
>> streaming 4K video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the
>> big screens.  Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi,
>> especially since that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on
>> wheels.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM
>> *To:* a...@afmug..com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>>
>>
>> It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a
>> beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that
>> runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center
>> setup. I've been excited to play around with it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know
>> how to use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or
>> something?  They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter
>> boxes, you plug it in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought
>> a box.  And for tech support, call your ISP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I
>> won't offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These
>> things are blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite
>> days.
>>
>> People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their
>> trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot
>> net activity is also causing their xhamster buffering
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
>> confusing moment...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
>> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
>> interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
>> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
>> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>>
>>
>> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
>> 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
>> boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too.
>> Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we
>> could tell.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
>> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
>> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
>> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
>> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
>> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
>> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
>> to buffer because 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

It depends what you are comparing to.  I’ve run into customers with the new 
Belkin designed Linksys AC1750 routers that couldn’t reach 2 rooms away and 
replaced it with a 951G and it beat the pants off the Belksys.

 

One other factor is my customers are rural and often cannot see a single other 
SSID, but need range.  So giving them a single band 2.4 GHz router often solves 
problems.  iPhones seem to think one bar at 5 GHz is better than five bars at 
2.4 GHz.  And we all know you get better range in a 20 MHz channel than an 80 
MHz channel, but router manufacturers don’t seem to know that.

 

I will say the hAP AC is probably not very competitive at its price point.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Honestly I find the wireless performance underwhelming on the Mikrotik devices 
with integrated antennas.

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke  > wrote:

I think customers for the most part still associate 'big' and 'heavy' with 
Quality.  I was just a customers house this week where he took out a 951 I was 
providing (for free) to put in a giant linksys $300 router.  But now he says 
his wifi works down the street and around the corner.  I find that hard to 
believe, but it's physically much bigger than the 951, so it  must be much 
better...   Maybe we should start going back to like 8 pound power bricks the 
size of a desktop computer.  Then our internet would be better than comcast.  




On 10/15/2016 3:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Pretty much the same here.  Lease a managed router from us for $5/month, or if 
you buy one at the store head for the $70 to $100 price range.  Less they 
probably cut corners, more and you’re probably wasting money.

 

Our leased routers are Mikrotik 951G, we just got some hAP AC in to consider as 
a dual band AC solution.  We like the ability to manage the Mikrotik routers 
but they don’t really give us a solution for customers who want a fancy router, 
or to take management to the next level (application level QoS, customer 
dashboard).  The answer for that is probably Calix, but our customer base 
mostly shops at WalMart and Dollar General, I’m not sure we have enough demand 
for a Calix class router.  There are a few who would want something like that, 
but it’s probably well under 5%, unless we subsidize them.

 

I only push the leased routers so hard, actually I think it’s a better deal for 
the customer than for us, if they want to buy a router and hope it lasts 5 
years they are welcome to.  Unfortunately this means the people taking the 
leased router may be the people who just don’t have the money to buy a router 
we’ll be shutting them off for nonpayment in a couple months and trying to get 
our router back.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:31 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

What are you recommending on routers now Ken?

 

Our spiel usually includes netgear and spend no more then 100$. Especially for 
the people on the 3mbit and 5mbit plans. We've been doing good at converting 
these people that don't want to mess with it to our rental router. (Zyxel 
2.4ghz) for 5/month. 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify the 
$400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have 
multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is your 
25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300 router.  And 
honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content streaming 4K 
video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the big screens.  
Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi, especially since 
that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on wheels.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:  af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM


To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a 
beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that runs 
android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center setup. I've 
been excited to play around with it. 

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof <  
af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how to 
use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or something?  
They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter boxes, you plug it 
in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought a box.  And for 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

My house is cat5 wired :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 1:28 PM

Running cable takes work and people are lazy.
(I have a bunch of OM4 I need to run and 2 boxes of cat6 sitting there, so I 
can't really say crap!)

On Oct 15, 2016 1:23 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:I’m still waiting 
to run into a customer with a media library to justify the $400 WiFi router 
some kid in the store sold them so they could have multigigabit WiFi in their 
house.  Cuz if your only source of content is your 25 Mbps Internet connection, 
I’m missing why you need that AC5300 router.  And honestly, if I had a media 
center with locally stored content streaming 4K video around the house, I’d 
figure a way to run a cable to the big screens.  Why spend all that money and 
then cheap out by using WiFi, especially since that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly 
portable unless it’s on wheels.  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM
To: a...@afmug..com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with 
all of the nonsense. It's a beautiful media center front end. I actually just 
got a 'NexBox' in that runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my 
current media center setup. I've been excited to play around with it.  
 
 On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:And the 
people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how to use a 
computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or something?  They 
seem to expect something like the analog TV converter boxes, you plug it in and 
get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought a box.  And for tech support, 
call your ISP.  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One 
Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
 Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I won't 
offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These things are 
blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite days. People 
are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their trusted network 
left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot net activity is also 
causing their xhamster buffering On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received 
“Netscape”. Talk about a confusing moment...
 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 
 
I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.
 
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
 
- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
 
In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV? Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be 
Samsung.  I know a lot of the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with 
certain WiFi routers.   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe 
Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of 
the new ones - the netflix 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The 
Roku's and streaming boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to 
do good too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as 
far as we could tell. 
 On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:The most 
recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually stopping 
and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer but was 
fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the latest 
complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection. We have transitioned to the point where people sit 
down in front of their “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what 
streaming service, but there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old 
fashioned TV – your Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she 
couldn’t watch an 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[chuck]

Talking theoretical max here.  Petabits per second or more.
Nobody really knows for certain.

-Original Message- 
From: fiber...@mail.com

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout


How many different modes can you put on a fiber???
 Singlemode fiber supports, as it's name indicates, one fundamental mode, 
which consists of two orthogonal polarization modes.

 Multimode fibers support more than 100 modes.

 The problem is, we don't have the MIMO technology to deal with more than a 
few modes, so can't just use multimode fiber with all it's modes.
 Most research concentrates of so called few-mode fibers with a total of 
six polarization and spatial modes.


Jared 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

The homegamers don't get that

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 1:23 PM

I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify the 
$400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have 
multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is your 
25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300 router.  And 
honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content streaming 4K 
video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the big screens.  
Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi, especially since 
that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on wheels.  From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with 
all of the nonsense. It's a beautiful media center front end. I actually just 
got a 'NexBox' in that runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my 
current media center setup. I've been excited to play around with it.  

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:And the 
people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how to use a 
computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or something?  They 
seem to expect something like the analog TV converter boxes, you plug it in and 
get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought a box.  And for tech support, 
call your ISP.  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One 
Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I won't 
offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These things are 
blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite days. People 
are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their trusted network 
left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot net activity is also 
causing their xhamster buffering On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received 
“Netscape”. Talk about a confusing moment...

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV? Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be 
Samsung.  I know a lot of the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with 
certain WiFi routers.   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe 
Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of 
the new ones - the netflix 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The 
Roku's and streaming boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to 
do good too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as 
far as we could tell. 
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:The most 
recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually stopping 
and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer but was 
fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the latest 
complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection. We have transitioned to the point where people sit 
down in front of their “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what 
streaming service, but there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old 
fashioned TV – your Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she 
couldn’t watch an online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  
not connected to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower 
right.  Tech support for the online college told her that meant her Internet 
was too 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[George Skorup]

We have the Prime Design on our 2010 E150. It has the permanently 
attached collapsible handles. Not sure exactly which model. That's the 
only rack I'd put on any new truck.


On 10/15/2016 4:20 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.

Mark



On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


Who makes the good one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" > wrote:


All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable
handle.I think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower
vans have the flip down handle.


Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle
sticking out even farther:




Good design:




Mark



On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle
folded and stowed like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer
design or maybe just for low roof vans or something, but yes
there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark has them,
maybe he can chime in?
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is
always connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds
against the side of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level
that pulls the ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you
just pull it off the hangers. They also have locks.

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" > wrote:


For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit
that flips over the side or something?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
*Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the
driver side door entry way for easy access to tools.  The
Transit connects are decent.  The full size transits are too
large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure they
will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the
wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might
as well just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have
something that always works. We’ve had some issues with the
older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage
range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better
mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little
tougher. There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster
City vans right now.

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent


On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase
3.5L Ecoboost. Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors
option is brilliant or stupid.

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail
damage, I decided to pass on that. I think that means a
salvage title.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Josh Luthman
*Sent:*Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a
second vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work
van to keep everything inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the
winter.

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any
additional suggestions/experiences.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Joe Novak]

Honestly I find the wireless performance underwhelming on the Mikrotik
devices with integrated antennas.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I think customers for the most part still associate 'big' and 'heavy' with
> Quality.  I was just a customers house this week where he took out a 951 I
> was providing (for free) to put in a giant linksys $300 router.  But now he
> says his wifi works down the street and around the corner.  I find that
> hard to believe, but it's physically much bigger than the 951, so it  must
> be much better...   Maybe we should start going back to like 8 pound power
> bricks the size of a desktop computer.  Then our internet would be better
> than comcast.
>
>
>
> On 10/15/2016 3:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Pretty much the same here.  Lease a managed router from us for $5/month,
> or if you buy one at the store head for the $70 to $100 price range.  Less
> they probably cut corners, more and you’re probably wasting money.
>
>
>
> Our leased routers are Mikrotik 951G, we just got some hAP AC in to
> consider as a dual band AC solution.  We like the ability to manage the
> Mikrotik routers but they don’t really give us a solution for customers who
> want a fancy router, or to take management to the next level (application
> level QoS, customer dashboard).  The answer for that is probably Calix, but
> our customer base mostly shops at WalMart and Dollar General, I’m not sure
> we have enough demand for a Calix class router.  There are a few who would
> want something like that, but it’s probably well under 5%, unless we
> subsidize them.
>
>
>
> I only push the leased routers so hard, actually I think it’s a better
> deal for the customer than for us, if they want to buy a router and hope it
> lasts 5 years they are welcome to.  Unfortunately this means the people
> taking the leased router may be the people who just don’t have the money to
> buy a router we’ll be shutting them off for nonpayment in a couple months
> and trying to get our router back.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:31 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> What are you recommending on routers now Ken?
>
>
>
> Our spiel usually includes netgear and spend no more then 100$. Especially
> for the people on the 3mbit and 5mbit plans. We've been doing good at
> converting these people that don't want to mess with it to our rental
> router. (Zyxel 2.4ghz) for 5/month.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify
> the $400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have
> multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is
> your 25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300
> router.  And honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content
> streaming 4K video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the
> big screens.  Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi,
> especially since that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on
> wheels.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a
> beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that
> runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center
> setup. I've been excited to play around with it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how
> to use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or
> something?  They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter
> boxes, you plug it in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought
> a box.  And for tech support, call your ISP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I
> won't offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These
> things are blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite
> days.
>
> People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their
> trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot
> net activity is also causing their xhamster buffering
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
> confusing moment...
>
>
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Nate Burke]

I think customers for the most part still associate 'big' and 'heavy' 
with Quality.  I was just a customers house this week where he took out 
a 951 I was providing (for free) to put in a giant linksys $300 router.  
But now he says his wifi works down the street and around the corner.  I 
find that hard to believe, but it's physically much bigger than the 951, 
so it  must be much better... Maybe we should start going back to like 8 
pound power bricks the size of a desktop computer.  Then our internet 
would be better than comcast.




On 10/15/2016 3:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Pretty much the same here.  Lease a managed router from us for 
$5/month, or if you buy one at the store head for the $70 to $100 
price range.  Less they probably cut corners, more and you’re probably 
wasting money.


Our leased routers are Mikrotik 951G, we just got some hAP AC in to 
consider as a dual band AC solution.  We like the ability to manage 
the Mikrotik routers but they don’t really give us a solution for 
customers who want a fancy router, or to take management to the next 
level (application level QoS, customer dashboard).  The answer for 
that is probably Calix, but our customer base mostly shops at WalMart 
and Dollar General, I’m not sure we have enough demand for a Calix 
class router.  There are a few who would want something like that, but 
it’s probably well under 5%, unless we subsidize them.


I only push the leased routers so hard, actually I think it’s a better 
deal for the customer than for us, if they want to buy a router and 
hope it lasts 5 years they are welcome to. Unfortunately this means 
the people taking the leased router may be the people who just don’t 
have the money to buy a router we’ll be shutting them off for 
nonpayment in a couple months and trying to get our router back.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

What are you recommending on routers now Ken?

Our spiel usually includes netgear and spend no more then 100$. 
Especially for the people on the 3mbit and 5mbit plans. We've been 
doing good at converting these people that don't want to mess with it 
to our rental router. (Zyxel 2.4ghz) for 5/month.


On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to
justify the $400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so
they could have multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your
only source of content is your 25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m
missing why you need that AC5300 router.  And honestly, if I had a
media center with locally stored content streaming 4K video around
the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the big screens. 
Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi,

especially since that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless
it’s on wheels.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense.
It's a beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a
'NexBox' in that runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with
my current media center setup. I've been excited to play around
with it.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who
barely know how to use a computer, are they answering ads in
the back of magazines or something?  They seem to expect
something like the analog TV converter boxes, you plug it in
and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought a box. 
And for tech support, call your ISP.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
/sarcasm
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating
right now. I won't offer any support for any issue unless it's
a vanilla stick. These things are blatantly illegal like the
black box descramblers for satellite days.

People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle
of their trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God
only knows what iot bot net activity is also causing their
xhamster buffering

On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Prime Design is the one with the ladders centered over the van.

Mark



> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Who makes the good one?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016 4:48 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  > wrote:
> All of the Prime Design ones I have seen have the removable handle.I 
> think some of the WeatherGuard ones for the lower vans have the flip down 
> handle.
> 
> 
> Horrible ladder rack… Ladder hanging over the side, handle sticking out even 
> farther:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Good design:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
>> like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low 
>> roof vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds 
>> like Mark has them, maybe he can chime in?
>>  
>>   <>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>  
>> Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
>> and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the 
>> vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.
>>  
>> On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > > wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>   <>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
>>> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the 
>>> hangers. They also have locks.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall" >> > wrote:
>>> 
 For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
 
 Can you go through a fast food drive through?
 
  
 
 How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over 
 the side or something?
 
  
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
 Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
 Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
 
  
 
 We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side 
 door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent. 
  The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a 
 hit.  I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years 
 old the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as 
 well just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that 
 always works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as 
 they get into the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  
 They get better mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a 
 little tougher.  There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City 
 vans right now.
 
  
 
 Joe Falaschi
 
 e-vergent
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L 
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant 
> or stupid.
> 
>  
> 
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I 
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
> 
>  
> 
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
> 
>  
> 
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second 
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep 
> everything inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
> 
>  
> 
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve seen vans with the Prime Design racks with the handle folded and stowed 
like you say.  I don’t know if that’s a newer design or maybe just for low roof 
vans or something, but yes there seems to be a discrepancy.  Sounds like Mark 
has them, maybe he can chime in?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always connected, 
and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side of the vehicle 
up top and has a spot for a padlock.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI 
 =youtu.be

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the hangers. 
They also have locks.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall"  > wrote:

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?

 

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over the 
side or something?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

 

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

 

 

 

On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

 

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

 

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

Pretty much the same here.  Lease a managed router from us for $5/month, or if 
you buy one at the store head for the $70 to $100 price range.  Less they 
probably cut corners, more and you’re probably wasting money.

 

Our leased routers are Mikrotik 951G, we just got some hAP AC in to consider as 
a dual band AC solution.  We like the ability to manage the Mikrotik routers 
but they don’t really give us a solution for customers who want a fancy router, 
or to take management to the next level (application level QoS, customer 
dashboard).  The answer for that is probably Calix, but our customer base 
mostly shops at WalMart and Dollar General, I’m not sure we have enough demand 
for a Calix class router.  There are a few who would want something like that, 
but it’s probably well under 5%, unless we subsidize them.

 

I only push the leased routers so hard, actually I think it’s a better deal for 
the customer than for us, if they want to buy a router and hope it lasts 5 
years they are welcome to.  Unfortunately this means the people taking the 
leased router may be the people who just don’t have the money to buy a router 
we’ll be shutting them off for nonpayment in a couple months and trying to get 
our router back.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

What are you recommending on routers now Ken?

 

Our spiel usually includes netgear and spend no more then 100$. Especially for 
the people on the 3mbit and 5mbit plans. We've been doing good at converting 
these people that don't want to mess with it to our rental router. (Zyxel 
2.4ghz) for 5/month. 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify the 
$400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have 
multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is your 
25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300 router.  And 
honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content streaming 4K 
video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the big screens.  
Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi, especially since 
that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on wheels.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a 
beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that runs 
android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center setup. I've 
been excited to play around with it. 

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how to 
use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or something?  
They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter boxes, you plug it 
in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought a box.  And for tech 
support, call your ISP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I won't 
offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These things are 
blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite days. 

People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their trusted 
network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot net activity 
is also causing their xhamster buffering

 

On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a 
confusing moment...

 

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

 

I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof"  >
To:  >
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

 

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV?

 

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
early ones also didn’t seem to play well with 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Reynolds]

Basically that, but the ones I'm familiar with the pole is always
connected, and once the ladder is in place the pole folds against the side
of the vehicle up top and has a spot for a padlock.

On Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI=youtu.be
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the
> ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the
> hangers. They also have locks.
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>
> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>
>
>
> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over
> the side or something?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side
> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.
> The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.
> I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old
> the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well
> just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always
> works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get
> into the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get
> better mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little
> tougher.  There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans
> right now.
>
>
>
> Joe Falaschi
>
> e-vergent
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Joe Novak]

What are you recommending on routers now Ken?

Our spiel usually includes netgear and spend no more then 100$. Especially
for the people on the 3mbit and 5mbit plans. We've been doing good at
converting these people that don't want to mess with it to our rental
router. (Zyxel 2.4ghz) for 5/month.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify
> the $400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have
> multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is
> your 25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300
> router.  And honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content
> streaming 4K video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the
> big screens.  Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi,
> especially since that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on
> wheels.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a
> beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that
> runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center
> setup. I've been excited to play around with it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how
> to use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or
> something?  They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter
> boxes, you plug it in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought
> a box.  And for tech support, call your ISP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I
> won't offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These
> things are blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite
> days.
>
> People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their
> trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot
> net activity is also causing their xhamster buffering
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
> confusing moment...
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
> interface.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>
>
>
> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>
>
>
> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the
> early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
> 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
> boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too.
> Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we
> could tell.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
> to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
> actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
> usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
> or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>
>
>
> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
> “smart TV” and expect to 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Josh Reynolds]

Running cable takes work and people are lazy.

(I have a bunch of OM4 I need to run and 2 boxes of cat6 sitting there, so
I can't really say crap!)

On Oct 15, 2016 1:23 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify
> the $400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have
> multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is
> your 25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300
> router.  And honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content
> streaming 4K video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the
> big screens.  Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi,
> especially since that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on
> wheels.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a
> beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that
> runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center
> setup. I've been excited to play around with it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how
> to use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or
> something?  They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter
> boxes, you plug it in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought
> a box.  And for tech support, call your ISP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I
> won't offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These
> things are blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite
> days.
>
> People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their
> trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot
> net activity is also causing their xhamster buffering
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
> confusing moment...
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
> interface.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>
>
>
> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>
>
>
> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the
> early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
> 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
> boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too.
> Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we
> could tell.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
> to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
> actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
> usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
> or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>
>
>
> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
> “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but
> there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your
> Internet is too slow.  I had a 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m still waiting to run into a customer with a media library to justify the 
$400 WiFi router some kid in the store sold them so they could have 
multigigabit WiFi in their house.  Cuz if your only source of content is your 
25 Mbps Internet connection, I’m missing why you need that AC5300 router.  And 
honestly, if I had a media center with locally stored content streaming 4K 
video around the house, I’d figure a way to run a cable to the big screens.  
Why spend all that money and then cheap out by using WiFi, especially since 
that 60 inch TV isn’t exactly portable unless it’s on wheels.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a 
beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that runs 
android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center setup. I've 
been excited to play around with it. 

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how to 
use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or something?  
They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter boxes, you plug it 
in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought a box.  And for tech 
support, call your ISP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I won't 
offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These things are 
blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite days. 

People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their trusted 
network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot net activity 
is also causing their xhamster buffering

 

On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a 
confusing moment...

 

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

 

I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof"  >
To:  >
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

 

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV?

 

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix 
'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming boxes 
usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too. Direct TV has 
shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we could tell. 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually 
stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer 
but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the 
latest complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection.

 

We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their 
“smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but there 
is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your Internet is 
too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an online class on 
her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and 
there was an 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Josh Reynolds]

... What?

I have a few fireTVs (box, not the sticks - well I have 1 stick but its for
travel). They're not rooted, but I sideload Kodi on to them and then
connect them to my media server / storage array.

Love them.

On Oct 15, 2016 12:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I
> won't offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These
> things are blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite
> days.
>
> People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their
> trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot
> net activity is also causing their xhamster buffering
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
>> confusing moment...
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>>
>> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
>> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
>> interface.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>>
>>
>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
>> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
>> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>>
>>
>> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
>> 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
>> boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too.
>> Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we
>> could tell.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
>> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
>> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
>> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
>> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
>> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
>> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
>> to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
>> actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
>> usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
>> or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
>> “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but
>> there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your
>> Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an
>> online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected
>> to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech
>> support for the online college told her that meant her Internet was too
>> slow.  I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her
>> Internet was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
>> turtle.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>>
>>
>> I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>>
>>
>>
>> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
>> talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
>> start playing.
>>
>>
>>
>> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And
>> I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts
>> quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their
>> technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services
>> like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t
>> expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and
>> rebuffer at 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[fiberrun]

> How many different modes can you put on a fiber???
  Singlemode fiber supports, as it's name indicates, one fundamental mode, 
which consists of two orthogonal polarization modes.
  Multimode fibers support more than 100 modes. 

  The problem is, we don't have the MIMO technology to deal with more than a 
few modes, so can't just use multimode fiber with all it's modes. 
  Most research concentrates of so called few-mode fibers with a total of six 
polarization and spatial modes. 

Jared 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Joe Novak]

It makes me sad that Kodi got associated with all of the nonsense. It's a
beautiful media center front end. I actually just got a 'NexBox' in that
runs android, outputs 4K, which I can't do with my current media center
setup. I've been excited to play around with it.



On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how
> to use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or
> something?  They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter
> boxes, you plug it in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought
> a box.  And for tech support, call your ISP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I
> won't offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These
> things are blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite
> days.
>
> People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their
> trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot
> net activity is also causing their xhamster buffering
>
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
> confusing moment...
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
> interface.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>
>
>
> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>
>
>
> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the
> early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
> 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
> boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too.
> Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we
> could tell.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
> to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
> actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
> usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
> or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>
>
>
> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
> “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but
> there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your
> Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an
> online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected
> to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech
> support for the online college told her that meant her Internet was too
> slow.  I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her
> Internet was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
> turtle.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
> talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
> start playing.
>
>
>
> And 

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Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:54 AM
To: alc...@rfdatacom.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

And the people with the Kodi boxes, usually the people who barely know how to 
use a computer, are they answering ads in the back of magazines or something?  
They seem to expect something like the analog TV converter boxes, you plug it 
in and get free live TV.  Must be legal because I bought a box.  And for tech 
support, call your ISP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I won't 
offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These things are 
blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite days. 

People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their trusted 
network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot net activity 
is also causing their xhamster buffering

 

On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a 
confusing moment...

 

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

 

I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof"  >
To:  >
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

 

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV?

 

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix 
'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming boxes 
usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too. Direct TV has 
shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we could tell. 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually 
stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer 
but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the 
latest complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection.

 

We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their 
“smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but there 
is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your Internet is 
too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an online class on 
her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and 
there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online 
college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was tempted to tell 
her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet was really fast (it’s 
flying), otherwise it would show a car or a turtle.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer talks 
about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.

 

And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.

 

Also 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Chuck McCown]

I was visualizing a smart TV with a Netscape interface.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

After he updated Netscape he got Firefox which evolved to Chrome.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Oct 15, 2016 1:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a 
confusing moment...

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"


  I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
  Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

  In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure 
to update the app on the smart TV?



  Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



  In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix 
'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming boxes 
usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too. Direct TV has 
shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we could tell. 



  On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is 
actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time 
to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to 
thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took before the 
video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge 
is to find out what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all 
“Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix 
can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping 
and starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection.



We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their 
“smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but there 
is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your Internet is 
too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an online class on 
her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and 
there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online 
college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was tempted to tell 
her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet was really fast (it’s 
flying), otherwise it would show a car or a turtle.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer 
talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.



And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.



Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t 
expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and 
rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. 
Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.



On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP 
that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Don't forget these rooted amazon firesticks are dominating right now. I
won't offer any support for any issue unless it's a vanilla stick. These
things are blatantly illegal like the black box descramblers for satellite
days.

People are dropping malicious operating systems in the middle of their
trusted network left and right for "free" tv. God only knows what iot bot
net activity is also causing their xhamster buffering

On Oct 15, 2016 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
> confusing moment...
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
> interface.
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>
>
> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>
>
>
> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the
> early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
> 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
> boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too.
> Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we
> could tell.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
> to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
> actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
> usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
> or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>
>
>
> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
> “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but
> there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your
> Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an
> online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected
> to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech
> support for the online college told her that meant her Internet was too
> slow.  I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her
> Internet was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
> turtle.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
> talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
> start playing.
>
>
>
> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And
> I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts
> quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their
> technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services
> like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently.
>
>
>
> Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t
> expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and
> rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams.
> Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Josh Luthman]

After he updated Netscape he got Firefox which evolved to Chrome.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 15, 2016 1:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a
> confusing moment...
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
> I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier
> Netflix interface but I actually like it better than the modern
> interface.
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
> Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM
>
>
> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>
>
>
> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the
> early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
> 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
> boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too.
> Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we
> could tell.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
> to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
> actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
> usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
> or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>
>
>
> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
> “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but
> there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your
> Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an
> online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected
> to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech
> support for the online college told her that meant her Internet was too
> slow.  I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her
> Internet was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
> turtle.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
> talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
> start playing.
>
>
>
> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And
> I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts
> quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their
> technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services
> like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently.
>
>
>
> Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t
> expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and
> rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams.
> Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
> Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP
> that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a
> beautiful thing.
>
> People will absolutely pay for connections 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Chuck McCown]

I read the word “Netflix” and my brain received “Netscape”. Talk about a 
confusing moment...

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"


I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV?

 

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix 
'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming boxes 
usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too. Direct TV has 
shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we could tell. 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually 
stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer 
but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the 
latest complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection.

   

  We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their 
“smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but there 
is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your Internet is 
too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an online class on 
her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and 
there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online 
college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was tempted to tell 
her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet was really fast (it’s 
flying), otherwise it would show a car or a turtle.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

   

  I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.  

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

   

  But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer 
talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.

   

  And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.

   

  Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect 
rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer 
at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

   

  Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying 
for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.

   

  On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP 
that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a 
beautiful thing.

People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, 
take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on 
tablets simultaneously...

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean 
re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.

   

  I’m starting to  

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

Do you have strings attached to the vertical hold knob so you can stop the 
picture from rolling without getting up from the couch?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

 

I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof"  >
To:  >
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

 

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV?

 

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix 
'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming boxes 
usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too. Direct TV has 
shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we could tell. 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually 
stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer 
but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the 
latest complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection.

 

We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their 
“smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but there 
is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your Internet is 
too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an online class on 
her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and 
there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online 
college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was tempted to tell 
her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet was really fast (it’s 
flying), otherwise it would show a car or a turtle.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer talks 
about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.

 

And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.

 

Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect 
rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer 
at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying 
for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:

Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP that 
has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a beautiful 
thing.

People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, take 
a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I have a smart tv that works fine but won't update.  It is an earlier Netflix 
interface but I actually like it better than the modern interface.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] "buffering"
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV? Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be 
Samsung.  I know a lot of the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with 
certain WiFi routers.   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe 
Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of 
the new ones - the netflix 'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The 
Roku's and streaming boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to 
do good too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as 
far as we could tell. 
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:The most 
recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually stopping 
and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer but was 
fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the latest 
complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection. We have transitioned to the point where people sit 
down in front of their “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what 
streaming service, but there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old 
fashioned TV – your Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she 
couldn’t watch an online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  
not connected to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower 
right.  Tech support for the online college told her that meant her Internet 
was too slow.  I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her 
Internet was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a 
turtle.  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"


But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer talks 
about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing. And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  
And I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts 
quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their 
technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like 
maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently. Also with my default 
assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect rebuffering because 
it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer at a lower stream 
rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.  From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" Well, people certainly want connections that 
support multiple streams. Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least 
around these parts.
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:Have 
you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP that has 
direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a beautiful 
thing.
People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, take 
a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on 
tablets simultaneously...
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:When people 
say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean re-buffering, where the 
video stops and starts. I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to 
the delay before the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay 
for faster Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds 
down to 5 or 10 seconds?

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Joe Novak]

Samsung is auto updating. So if you connect to the store to use the app it
updates automatically for the most part. I believe it is a hardware
limitation more then it's a app implementation. You may see poor results on
the TV sets older then 2014. They changed a lot of how the apps are allowed
to interact with the hardware since then... but I don't believe it was
possible to bring that to the older sets.

I do know some people with the problem TV sets moved to a roku like device
it worked much better overall.

It's not the rule but perhaps something to keep in mind.

I don't believe the older sets buffered anything at all. It was live or
nothing... it was a goofy implementation for apps. I believe it was running
a webapp engine on a weak processor with little to no local storage
available.

On Oct 15, 2016 12:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure
to update the app on the smart TV?



Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the
early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.







*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM

*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good
too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far
as we could tell.



On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.



We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
“smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but
there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your
Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an
online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected
to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech
support for the online college told her that meant her Internet was too
slow.  I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her
Internet was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
turtle.





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.



*From:* Ken Hohhof

*Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
start playing.



And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts
quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their
technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services
like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently.



Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t
expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and
rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf
Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"



Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams.
Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.



On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP
that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a
beautiful thing.

People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams,
take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos
on tablets 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV?

 

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix 
'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming boxes 
usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good too. Direct TV has 
shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far as we could tell. 

 

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually 
stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer 
but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the 
latest complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection.

 

We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their 
“smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but there 
is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your Internet is 
too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an online class on 
her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and 
there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online 
college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was tempted to tell 
her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet was really fast (it’s 
flying), otherwise it would show a car or a turtle.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer talks 
about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.

 

And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.

 

Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect 
rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer 
at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying 
for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:

Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP that 
has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a beautiful 
thing.

People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, take 
a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on 
tablets simultaneously...

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean re-buffering, 
where the video stops and starts.

 

I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before the 
video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster Internet 
just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down to 5 or 10 
seconds?

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Joe Novak]

In a lot of the early smart TVs - even some of the new ones - the netflix
'smart' modulation did not work well if at all. The Roku's and streaming
boxes usually have perfect support for it. Hulu seems to do good
too. Direct TV has shit poor bandwidth management, and poor peering as far
as we could tell.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is
> actually stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long
> time to buffer but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me
> to thinking the latest complaint was impatience with how long it took
> before the video started playing, not problems while it was playing.  The
> next challenge is to find out what streaming service he is using, people
> tend to call them all “Netflix”.  But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping
> to buffer because Netflix can switch stream rates on the fly, if it’s
> actually Netflix and it is stopping and starting, in my experience it’s
> usually something other than just slow Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out,
> or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download overloading the connection.
>
>
>
> We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their
> “smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but
> there is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your
> Internet is too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an
> online class on her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected
> to a network”, and there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech
> support for the online college told her that meant her Internet was too
> slow.  I was tempted to tell her the airplane symbol actually meant her
> Internet was really fast (it’s flying), otherwise it would show a car or a
> turtle.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer
> talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to
> start playing.
>
>
>
> And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And
> I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts
> quickly, and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their
> technology allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services
> like maybe Hulu and Amazon Prime may behave differently.
>
>
>
> Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t
> expect rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and
> rebuffer at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"
>
>
>
> Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams.
> Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
> Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP
> that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a
> beautiful thing.
>
> People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams,
> take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos
> on tablets simultaneously...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean
> re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.
>
>
>
> I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before
> the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster
> Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down
> to 5 or 10 seconds?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Ken Hohhof]

The most recent customer I think I’ve gotten to clarify the video is actually 
stopping and starting.  Previously he was saying it took a long time to buffer 
but was fine once the picture appeared.  That’s what got me to thinking the 
latest complaint was impatience with how long it took before the video started 
playing, not problems while it was playing.  The next challenge is to find out 
what streaming service he is using, people tend to call them all “Netflix”.  
But I rarely hear about Netflix stopping to buffer because Netflix can switch 
stream rates on the fly, if it’s actually Netflix and it is stopping and 
starting, in my experience it’s usually something other than just slow 
Internet.  Like WiFi dropping out, or packet loss, or a Windows 10 download 
overloading the connection.

 

We have transitioned to the point where people sit down in front of their 
“smart TV” and expect to watch TV, who knows what streaming service, but there 
is only one answer if it doesn’t work like old fashioned TV – your Internet is 
too slow.  I had a customer call because she couldn’t watch an online class on 
her computer which was telling her “you  are  not connected to a network”, and 
there was an airplane symbol in the lower right.  Tech support for the online 
college told her that meant her Internet was too slow.  I was tempted to tell 
her the airplane symbol actually meant her Internet was really fast (it’s 
flying), otherwise it would show a car or a turtle.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer talks 
about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.

 

And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.

 

Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect 
rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer 
at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying 
for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:

Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP that 
has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a beautiful 
thing.

People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, take 
a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on 
tablets simultaneously...

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean re-buffering, 
where the video stops and starts.

 

I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before the 
video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster Internet 
just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down to 5 or 10 
seconds?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkx87s6FmA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqkK856WRI 
 =youtu.be

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the 
ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the hangers. 
They also have locks.

 

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall"  > wrote:

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?

 

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over the 
side or something?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

 

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

 

 

 

On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

 

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

 

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

 

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Ken Hohhof]

Hard to know what these people need except to ask them.  Usually there are 
agencies who find them temporary housing.  We tend to assume people have 
insurance, that will be bad if they don’t.

 

As far as the repeaters, were they on structures that burned down, and do you 
need to re-establish those repeaters to serve other areas?  Were you bartering 
free Internet for rooftop use?  If they are elsewhere in temporary housing 
while they rebuild, they aren’t using that free Internet, maybe restructure the 
deal to pay them rent so you can put a temporary tower on their land?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

 

!

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:15 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

 

To be honest, it could be helpful. After a disaster until there is something 
that sets in in a controlled manner it's pandemonium. Normalcy, even others, 
puts the future back on the horizon. The scope of a major loss can be 
overwhelming. And not to be the dickbag, but this is a potential pr goldmine, 
it's not pretty, but it's a shame to ever let a good tragedy go to waste. Move 
in, prioritize getting some temporary communications back in order, maybe even 
pair up with a list vendor to donate some ruckus (dan?) Make sure your guys 
throw a cooler full of gatorades in the truck to put on the curb for work 
crews. Donate some company shirts to the folks to destroy why they sift through 
the rubble that was their dreams, a few bundles of work gloves. Give your crews 
some leverage to step away and lend a hand, maybe throw a couple extra hands on 
your crew so you don't lose work time getting yourself back in order. The 
marketing thing I read once set a 16 to one ratio, they say one bad review or 
disgruntled customers takes 16 happy ones to offset. Being part of a disaster 
recovery can really give you some leverage on that ratio...or you could do 
it all solely because contrary to the vitriol I spit out, humanity is actually 
inherently good 

 

On Oct 14, 2016 8:42 PM, "George Skorup"  > wrote:

If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down my 
house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in full, or 
hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even want free shit, 
just fix what you broke.

But that's just me. 



On 10/14/2016 8:28 PM, Robert wrote:

Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and some have 
talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not...   I have one customer that 
lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no insurance..

On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes
this job really sucks...

Robert

 

 

[AFMUG] The Brothers WISP interview on Sandvine and IPTV

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Mike Hammett interviews Russ Irwin on CTI's two new offerings:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s36bZGgFL2U=youtu.be

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Reynolds]

Good ladder kits mount the ladders on top. There is a level that pulls the
ladder down to the side of the vehicle, then you just pull it off the
hangers. They also have locks.

On Oct 15, 2016 1:36 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
>
> Can you go through a fast food drive through?
>
>
>
> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over
> the side or something?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side
> door entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.
> The full size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.
> I’m sure they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old
> the wrap is tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well
> just plan on a 4 year replacement cycle and have something that always
> works.  We’ve had some issues with the older transit connects as they get
> into the 100k mileage range.  Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get
> better mileage than our Transit Connects and are hopefully a little
> tougher.  There are some great incentives on the Ram Promaster City vans
> right now.
>
>
>
> Joe Falaschi
>
> e-vergent
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
>
> I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L
> Ecoboost.  Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant
> or stupid.
>
>
>
> A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I
> decided to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second
> vehicle for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything
> inside.  Maybe even warm parts for the winter.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional
> suggestions/experiences.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Chuck McCown]

I presume the circle thing is spinning when people say buffering.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

But that’s not what I’m talking about.  I’m wondering if when a customer talks 
about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start 
playing.

 

And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix.  And I’m 
pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality so it starts quickly, 
and then ramps up the quality as the buffer fills, since their technology 
allows changing the stream quality on the fly.  Other services like maybe Hulu 
and Amazon Prime may behave differently.

 

Also with my default assumption that people are using Netflix, I don’t expect 
rebuffering because it’s been years since Netflix needed to stop and rebuffer 
at a lower stream rate, I think they do that pretty seamlessly now.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

 

Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying 
for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP 
that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a 
beautiful thing.

  People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, 
take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on 
tablets simultaneously...

   

  On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean 
re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.

 

I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before 
the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster 
Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down to 5 
or 10 seconds?

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Chuck McCown]

Working with WIX.  Very similar to the website builder thingy Godaddy tries to 
sell.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info. Wix may be 
great but that just pisses me off. Have you thought about templatemonster.com? 
They have tons of templates. I used AWS the last time I put up a new web site 
and it was pretty easy and I doubt there is anything cheaper. I think Paul 
recommended it. My site is static and I don't change it. If that doesn't 
describe what you want and you want some type of CMS then maybe AWS isn't for 
you. 
Unlike Wix though, You have to get your domain name, get your template and 
replace pictures if you don't like the stock, change text with text editor, 
then load it up to S3. 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  I did the godard freebie a few years ago, management interface sucked so bad 
I gave up. I don't know if it's still whatever it is, but if it is, just burn 
it with fire


  On Oct 14, 2016 7:10 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Yep.  I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

  It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Free?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

Wix for sure.

Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy 
hosting service they recommend when you get a new domain.  

  Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template 
service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too lazy to 
just old fashioned HTML it.  

  Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, Travis sent me that.  Odd, they even mention a scout trailer and I was 
specifically told I could not donate a trailer to the troop.  I have been told 
thing diametrically opposed to what this document is saying.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:27 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Donations_in_kind


On Oct 14, 2016 9:18 AM,  wrote:

  When asked the answer comes back as NO.  They say sell, convert to dollars 
and give them the dollars.  

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:23 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

  That's not correct Chuck... I know many wealthy LDS people that donate stock 
for tithing. They will only accept the "larger" stocks, such as Apple, Google, 
Amazon, GM, Ford, etc... but they do take it, and lots of people use that 
option.

  Travis



  On 10/13/2016 6:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

My church only takes dollars...



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL



I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money 
and pay less tax.



On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler  
wrote:

  Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal

  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  > On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
  >
  > I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up those 
phones Samsung... LOL
  >
  > This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is better than 
most bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has made a 16% annual return over 
the last 5 years. Even if their stock just holds (which it won't now because of 
the Samsung thing, etc), it's making 2% and it's still "liquid" according to 
the banks, which helps on personal financial statements.
  >
  > AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church as a 
charitable donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the increase if you sold 
it first, you just transfer it at the current value. Amazing the tax tricks 
these church going people come up with... LOL
  >
  > Travis
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

[Chuck McCown]

How many different modes can you put on a fiber???
Each mode can max out Shannon.

-Original Message- 
From: fiber...@mail.com

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout


Nobody yet knows the theoretical max as you can jack up the power
until things start melting and get more bandwidth.
 Not quite. You can't just jack up the power, unless you also manage to 
improve your SNR. The maximum theoretical bandwidth of singlemode fiber is 
dependent on SNR and whether the channel is linear or not.


 Assuming a SNR of 30dB and a linear channel, the maximum bandwidth of 
singlemode fiber is about 100 Tbps.


 This is for the usable parts of infrared light (amplifiable C and L bands 
in single mode fiber). This is about 10 Thz. According to Shannon's theorem 
the theoretical upper limit for symbol rate in a linear channel with 30db 
SNR is 10 bits/s/Hz, independent of modulation format. Multiplying, we get 
100 Tbps.


 If you can up the SNR, use non-linear effects or use more spectrum then 
your bandwidth goes up.


 Current commercial products provide about 10 Tbps per fiber pair. Google 
does this on the FASTER subsea cable with 100 DWDM waves at 100 Gbps. The 
Internet2 uses 88 DWDM waves at 100 Gbps.


 However, the optical channel is not the only limiting factor. One of the 
reasons why 100 Gbps is where we are at right now is that electronics have 
trouble keeping up with faster switching speeds. That's why there is so much 
effort to go all optical on all levels of networking.


Jared 

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

[Chuck McCown]

!

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

To be honest, it could be helpful. After a disaster until there is something 
that sets in in a controlled manner it's pandemonium. Normalcy, even others, 
puts the future back on the horizon. The scope of a major loss can be 
overwhelming. And not to be the dickbag, but this is a potential pr goldmine, 
it's not pretty, but it's a shame to ever let a good tragedy go to waste. Move 
in, prioritize getting some temporary communications back in order, maybe even 
pair up with a list vendor to donate some ruckus (dan?) Make sure your guys 
throw a cooler full of gatorades in the truck to put on the curb for work 
crews. Donate some company shirts to the folks to destroy why they sift through 
the rubble that was their dreams, a few bundles of work gloves. Give your crews 
some leverage to step away and lend a hand, maybe throw a couple extra hands on 
your crew so you don't lose work time getting yourself back in order. The 
marketing thing I read once set a 16 to one ratio, they say one bad review or 
disgruntled customers takes 16 happy ones to offset. Being part of a disaster 
recovery can really give you some leverage on that ratio...or you could do 
it all solely because contrary to the vitriol I spit out, humanity is actually 
inherently good 


On Oct 14, 2016 8:42 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down my 
house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in full, or 
hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even want free shit, 
just fix what you broke.

  But that's just me. 


  On 10/14/2016 8:28 PM, Robert wrote:

Hopefully...  Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and some 
have talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not...   I have one customer 
that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no insurance..

On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer.
  All mobile/manufactured homes.  Some with zero insurance.  At least your
  folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn.

  -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

  Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago
  blew up and took out 19 homes.   A large number of them were customers
  including two repeater locations.   How do I go to the people who lost
  their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes
  this job really sucks...

  Robert

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Ken Hohhof]

I had a second hand experience with Template Monster and was not impressed.  
The best thing I can say is the cost is low enough to throw it away and start 
over.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

 

I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info. Wix may be 
great but that just pisses me off. Have you thought about templatemonster.com 
 ? They have tons of templates. I used AWS the last 
time I put up a new web site and it was pretty easy and I doubt there is 
anything cheaper. I think Paul recommended it. My site is static and I don't 
change it. If that doesn't describe what you want and you want some type of CMS 
then maybe AWS isn't for you.

Unlike Wix though, You have to get your domain name, get your template and 
replace pictures if you don't like the stock, change text with text editor, 
then load it up to S3. 

 

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM That One Guy /sarcasm 
 > wrote:

I did the godard freebie a few years ago, management interface sucked so bad I 
gave up. I don't know if it's still whatever it is, but if it is, just burn it 
with fire

 

On Oct 14, 2016 7:10 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:

Yep.  I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

 

It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

Free?

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

 

Wix for sure.

Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting service 
they recommend when you get a new domain.  

 

Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template service 
they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too lazy to just 
old fashioned HTML it.  

 

Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

I've taken to asking workers about their ladder racks on higher roof vans
(the people who use them, not their bosses who buy them) and I consistently
get the same answer as Mark said - Prime Design.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of mark
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans


On 2016-10-15 02:36, Paul McCall wrote:
> For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
> 
> Can you go through a fast food drive through?


You can, but it gets kind of expensive fixing the awnings after a while.


> 
> How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips 
> over the side or something?


The only good one is https://www.primedesign.net/products/ergorack/

Flips over the side of the van and then drops one end so you can get it on
and off.

The WeatherGuard version of this rack sucks - the handle and ladder sticks
almost a foot over the side of the van and ends up getting damaged (and
damaging) trees, overhead door frames, etc.

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Bill Prince]

No. I think it might have been Paul, but it's kind of fuzzy at this point.

Pretty sure this list is on AWS.


bp


On 10/15/2016 7:06 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Bill, was it you that recommended AWS last year when I asked the same 
question Chuck did?


On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:04 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


+1

Any time I need to sign up for something before I even get a
"howdy do",
I click the X in the corner.


bp


On 10/15/2016 7:00 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info.
> Wix may be great but that just pisses me off.

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Lewis Bergman]

Bill, was it you that recommended AWS last year when I asked the same
question Chuck did?

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:04 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> +1
>
> Any time I need to sign up for something before I even get a "howdy do",
> I click the X in the corner.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/15/2016 7:00 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info.
> > Wix may be great but that just pisses me off.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Bill Prince]

+1

Any time I need to sign up for something before I even get a "howdy do", 
I click the X in the corner.



bp


On 10/15/2016 7:00 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info. 
Wix may be great but that just pisses me off.

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Lewis Bergman]

I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info. Wix may
be great but that just pisses me off. Have you thought about
templatemonster.com? They have tons of templates. I used AWS the last time
I put up a new web site and it was pretty easy and I doubt there is
anything cheaper. I think Paul recommended it. My site is static and I
don't change it. If that doesn't describe what you want and you want some
type of CMS then maybe AWS isn't for you.
Unlike Wix though, You have to get your domain name, get your template and
replace pictures if you don't like the stock, change text with text editor,
then load it up to S3.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I did the godard freebie a few years ago, management interface sucked so
> bad I gave up. I don't know if it's still whatever it is, but if it is,
> just burn it with fire
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 7:10 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Yep.  I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>
>
> It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Free?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>
>
> Wix for sure.
>
> Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting
> service they recommend when you get a new domain.
>
> Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template
> service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too
> lazy to just old fashioned HTML it.
>
> Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Bill Prince]

I think it's both, and if you need to know, I guess you need to ask.


bp


On 10/14/2016 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


When people say their video is �buffering�, I assume they mean 
re-buffering, where the video stops and starts.


I�m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay 
before the video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay 
for faster Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 
15-20 seconds down to 5 or 10 seconds?

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[mark]

On 2016-10-15 02:36, Paul McCall wrote:

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.

Can you go through a fast food drive through?



You can, but it gets kind of expensive fixing the awnings after a while.




How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips
over the side or something?



The only good one is https://www.primedesign.net/products/ergorack/

Flips over the side of the van and then drops one end so you can get it 
on and off.


The WeatherGuard version of this rack sucks - the handle and ladder 
sticks almost a foot over the side of the van and ends up getting 
damaged (and damaging) trees, overhead door frames, etc.


Mark

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

[Paul Stewart]

I “only” have 35Meg down x 11 Meg up at my home (VDSL + 10 meg 320 wireless) …. 
less than 10 miles away the city nearby has 1G service available to every home 
(about 100k people) … I don’t know the actual “uptake” on the 1G service but 
have heard it’s significant … 1G unlimited service (1G down x 100 Meg up) @ 
$149/month

I would pay the $149/month without hesitation personally .. 


> On Oct 14, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying 
> for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:
> Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP 
> that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream?  It's a 
> beautiful thing.
> 
> People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, 
> take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want to watch videos on 
> tablets simultaneously...
> 
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> When people say their video is “buffering”, I assume they mean re-buffering, 
> where the video stops and starts.
> 
>  
> 
> I’m starting to  wonder if some people are referring to the delay before the 
> video starts playing.  Is this a thing?  And do people pay for faster 
> Internet just to make the video start faster, like cut 15-20 seconds down to 
> 5 or 10 seconds?
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Paul McCall]

For those with the higher roof vans, two questions.
Can you go through a fast food drive through?

How do you get ladders on /off?  Do they make a ladder kit that flips over the 
side or something?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

We like the dual sliding doors.  We install shelving on the driver side door 
entry way for easy access to tools.  The Transit connects are decent.  The full 
size transits are too large for us - mileage is too big of a hit.  I’m sure 
they will last longer but by the time they are 5 or 6 years old the wrap is 
tired and it’s worth nothing, new stuff is out, might as well just plan on a 4 
year replacement cycle and have something that always works.  We’ve had some 
issues with the older transit connects as they get into the 100k mileage range. 
 Our new vans are Promaster Cities.  They get better mileage than our Transit 
Connects and are hopefully a little tougher.  There are some great incentives 
on the Ram Promaster City vans right now.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent



On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:

I am also looking at Ford Transit, medium roof 130” wheelbase 3.5L Ecoboost.  
Trying to decide if the dual sliding doors option is brilliant or stupid.

A dealer near me bought up a bunch of 2016 Transits with hail damage, I decided 
to pass on that.  I think that means a salvage title.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

I already have a Tacoma which is great, but I'm looking for a second vehicle 
for a second driver.  I'd like to try a work van to keep everything inside.  
Maybe even warm parts for the winter.

I'm looking at the Ford Transit and would love to hear of any additional 
suggestions/experiences.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Donations_in_kind

On Oct 14, 2016 9:18 AM,  wrote:

> When asked the answer comes back as NO.  They say sell, convert to dollars
> and give them the dollars.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 8:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL
>
> That's not correct Chuck... I know many wealthy LDS people that donate
> stock for tithing. They will only accept the "larger" stocks, such as
> Apple, Google, Amazon, GM, Ford, etc... but they do take it, and lots of
> people use that option.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 10/13/2016 6:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> My church only takes dollars...
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL
>
>
>
> I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money
> and pay less tax.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> >
> > I'm all in on AAPL at $114 (a few weeks ago). Keep blowing up those
> phones Samsung... LOL
> >
> > This is a longer term investment... making 2% dividends is better than
> most bank CD's or savings accounts, and Apple has made a 16% annual return
> over the last 5 years. Even if their stock just holds (which it won't now
> because of the Samsung thing, etc), it's making 2% and it's still "liquid"
> according to the banks, which helps on personal financial statements.
> >
> > AND, the new hip thing to do is donating stock to your church as a
> charitable donation. You don't have to pay the tax on the increase if you
> sold it first, you just transfer it at the current value. Amazing the tax
> tricks these church going people come up with... LOL
> >
> > Travis
> >
>
>
>