[AFMUG] ServerPlus

[Steve Jones]

I haven't heard  more badgood thatn goodbad about these guys, but we pulled
the trigger on these guys.
I need a nuts and bolts on dealing with these folks, from initial get good
to ongoing get betters.

we are caveated with powercode, which may be good, may be bad. Our Customer
Service policy is outstanding compared to most, delivery, not so much, I
think this is the pickup we need in that department.

Any gotchas with these guys?


BTW, WISPAmerica must be the shit, cause a ton of stuff got picked up by
the bossman.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[George Skorup]

We know the new 5GHz SoC SMs will be uncapped and about $100-ish more 
than their equivalent ePMP 180/200 counterparts. So I was just saying, 
if they could support both ePMP TDD and 450 on the same SM, that would 
be pretty cool, and an interesting Elevate 2.0 type scenario. I mean the 
ePMP 2k is great, but a 450i is moar betterer.


On 5/3/2017 3:28 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Depends what the situation is... we have several micro-POPs that are 
just a tripod on a house roof - in those cases, climbing is basically 
free. Even comparing 450 LiteAPs to ePMP LiteAPs, you'd be saving 
about $1k per AP... if you're having to use a full 450AP where you 
could use an ePMP Lite AP, you're saving over $2k.


Realistically though... yeah, just making a 450i Lite AP seems more 
practical to me.


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


With the SM cost being the most expensive, why would you want a
more expensive SM only to save you <2k on the AP?  With the
reality climbing isn't free, we'll say you got a cheap climber to
do it for $500.  Best case scenario you're saving $1500 on the AP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Joe Falaschi > wrote:

Your second paragraph, that would be awesome.

Joe




On May 3, 2017, at 1:39 PM, George Skorup
>
wrote:

Yes, that's frustrating. ePMP only supports 2.5ms @ 20MHz for
timing with FSK. It's obvious that they don't want to hurt
450 sales, especially now with the ePMP 2k closing the
performance gap. I don't want ePMP-450 sync to co-locate
them. I want it to be able to sync nearby ePMP APs at
micro-POPs, where I typically run a 10MHz, with larger sites
that have 450 clusters. We're already running into this.

I've often wondered if they could make their new 5GHz
wideband SoC-based SMs speak ePMP TDD in addition to the
regular 450 OFDM. Imagine being able to upgrade a site from
ePMP to 450i or 450m and never have to touch the SMs. I often
dream of parallel universes where these things are possible.
And then I wake up. :(

On 5/3/2017 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with
my 450 network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched
network. The 450 interface is better, has a lot of features
I am using such as AP downlink utilization %. Epmp just
isn't for me.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen
> wrote:

Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell
startup? Thats what application I would use it for. I
know that it only comes in 2 flavors of band but thats
where planning and design comes in.

Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity
for denser and larger area of coverage. (450i/M)

Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the
E500/E400 series for high capacity indoor solutions. The
E500 make a great

outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these
at out Farmers Market and I  only used one AP and a 450
sub to bring the 40Mb connection to it.

The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi
offload. We have 2 at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds
and the vendors for the Rodeo absolutely loved it and
asked how

they get such great service at their house LOL.  The
coolest part is that the APs are at opposite ends of the
arena and use mesh to connect. They are positioned so
they look under the bleachers

where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone
because folks in the bleachers can connect with limited
guest access. Which we got about 25 new customers off
that one event..

LOVE IT


On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge
problem on justifying smaller sites...

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.

On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:


Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring
change to the RJ-45 connector.


You can see this 

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Josh Reynolds]

mobaxterm supports it's own agent or can use pageant. It has built in
SCP/WINSCP with drag and drop support.

It's the most comprehensive terminal application I've found, by far.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:35 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> I frequently use Putty because it's fast and I'm used to it.
>
> I use WinSCP because it's very user friendly for SCP/SFTP.
>
> I also use Tera Term. Especially for serial console. For whatever reason,
> Putty constantly crashes when doing serial.
>
> The nice thing with Tera Term is built-in SCP. You're working on a Linux
> machine/VM and need to quickly send a file. But WinSCP wins hands-down for
> more complex file transfer.
>
> The other thing is, Tera Term can natively use SSH keys, whereas Putty needs
> Pageant running.
>
> That's all I got. I use all three.
>
>
> On 5/3/2017 9:41 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own that.
>> Is there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
>> Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with these
>> two applications, just curious if there are even better solutions
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Charles Boening]

SecureCRT.   https://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/

I’ve tried a lot of what’s out there.  I always come back to SecureCRT.  If I 
had to use something else it would probably be MobaXterm.

For X11 forwarding I use VcXsrv
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vcxsrv/




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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own that. Is 
there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with these two 
applications, just curious if there are even better solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[George Skorup]

I frequently use Putty because it's fast and I'm used to it.

I use WinSCP because it's very user friendly for SCP/SFTP.

I also use Tera Term. Especially for serial console. For whatever 
reason, Putty constantly crashes when doing serial.


The nice thing with Tera Term is built-in SCP. You're working on a Linux 
machine/VM and need to quickly send a file. But WinSCP wins hands-down 
for more complex file transfer.


The other thing is, Tera Term can natively use SSH keys, whereas Putty 
needs Pageant running.


That's all I got. I use all three.

On 5/3/2017 9:41 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own 
that. Is there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with 
these two applications, just curious if there are even better solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Steve Jones]

I haven't noticed, its so light and perfect, ive used the logging in the
past to generate scripts, so nice. I have been battling a decision to
replace my laptop, a Toshiba tecra with an I7 originally win7 that I pushed
the w10 update on (this was a full tech laptop, overburdened and 1000s of
applications collected over the years, 10-15 minutes power on to usability
level of overburden. swapped the HDD with an SSD last week and brand new
ram, and fresh clean w10 install, 10 seconds from power button to use, so
sexy) Just added the putty exe again, no performance issues, though I lost
all my saves because I don't have anything to dump my old hdd to.
I don't see that putty native really could have issues, its so tiny. I'm
just trying to limit the number of apps I have installed. (btw w10 HDD 100%
bug goes away with an SSD over a platter, not sure why) I actually
separated my personal profile from my work profile... we will see how long
that lasts.



On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Is it just me but I find putty performs better on XP and 7 vs 8 and 10
>
> On May 3, 2017 8:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> One note I will add is make sure to turn off the "show scp/sftp window
>> by default" or whatever the setting is. It's nice to have and keep
>> running, I just hate it popping up every time I connect to a server. I
>> can still click on the item in the side window to use it though.
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> > mobaXterm
>> >
>> > Takes some tweaking and some hiding of some of the clutter, but it's
>> > got sane font handling / hint / antialiasing, multi-window /
>> > multi-exec support, and supports some aliases. Also gives you package
>> > support for gnu utilities, among other things.
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>> >> I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own
>> that. Is
>> >> there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
>> >> Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with
>> these
>> >> two applications, just curious if there are even better solutions
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[D. Ryan Spott]

I'm paying $1 per mb for 250mb per month now. Max speed = 1.5 down 256 up. 
$2/mb for overages. $0.39 per minute for phone calls. 

Works until just west of Hawaii. CPE was $12K. 

I could pay 0.50 per megabyte but I have to commit to $1000 spend per month. 



ryan

-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

> On May 3, 2017, at 14:25, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Bet this will be spendy service.
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Jaime Solorza]

Is it just me but I find putty performs better on XP and 7 vs 8 and 10

On May 3, 2017 8:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> One note I will add is make sure to turn off the "show scp/sftp window
> by default" or whatever the setting is. It's nice to have and keep
> running, I just hate it popping up every time I connect to a server. I
> can still click on the item in the side window to use it though.
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> > mobaXterm
> >
> > Takes some tweaking and some hiding of some of the clutter, but it's
> > got sane font handling / hint / antialiasing, multi-window /
> > multi-exec support, and supports some aliases. Also gives you package
> > support for gnu utilities, among other things.
> >
> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >> I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own
> that. Is
> >> there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
> >> Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with
> these
> >> two applications, just curious if there are even better solutions
>

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Josh Reynolds]

One note I will add is make sure to turn off the "show scp/sftp window
by default" or whatever the setting is. It's nice to have and keep
running, I just hate it popping up every time I connect to a server. I
can still click on the item in the side window to use it though.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> mobaXterm
>
> Takes some tweaking and some hiding of some of the clutter, but it's
> got sane font handling / hint / antialiasing, multi-window /
> multi-exec support, and supports some aliases. Also gives you package
> support for gnu utilities, among other things.
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>> I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own that. Is
>> there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
>> Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with these
>> two applications, just curious if there are even better solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Josh Reynolds]

mobaXterm

Takes some tweaking and some hiding of some of the clutter, but it's
got sane font handling / hint / antialiasing, multi-window /
multi-exec support, and supports some aliases. Also gives you package
support for gnu utilities, among other things.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own that. Is
> there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
> Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with these
> two applications, just curious if there are even better solutions

[AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Steve Jones]

I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own that.
Is there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with these
two applications, just curious if there are even better solutions

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Steve Jones]

its a matter of time til spacex gets recreational travel dialed in enough
for rednecks to go up with big ol guns shooting down retired space junk
like the helicopter boar hunts with machine guns... merca`

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Apparently the geosynchronous satellites don’t have to deorbit clear to
> earth.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_orbit
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 3:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites
>
> I was reading an article the other day about the space debris problem, in
> particular these tiny satellites and the diminishing windows for launch. I
> never gave it a lot of though cause space is kind of big, but really its
> not, and 28k mph is kind of fast to hit anything. These tiny satellites are
> being tossed up left and right, by less scrupulous entities than spacex,
> though they did talk about this venture directly.
>
> I think there should be a standards commitment to all space ventures to
> treat space with the boy scout attitude of leaving it better than when you
> got there... note I did not say law.
>
> I don't know where ICBMs traverse the low earth orbit, but if SHTF it
> could get hairy with nukes playing pinball off a bunch of baby satellites
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of
>> material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a
>> contrail...  #chemtrails
>>
>> On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
>>> they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>>
>>> do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
>>> environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
>>> going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Make it impossible for nation states to block too
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>>
>>> Bet this will be spendy service.
>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/space
>>> xs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/
>>> >> exs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

Apparently the geosynchronous satellites don’t have to deorbit clear to earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_orbit

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 3:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

I was reading an article the other day about the space debris problem, in 
particular these tiny satellites and the diminishing windows for launch. I 
never gave it a lot of though cause space is kind of big, but really its not, 
and 28k mph is kind of fast to hit anything. These tiny satellites are being 
tossed up left and right, by less scrupulous entities than spacex, though they 
did talk about this venture directly.

I think there should be a standards commitment to all space ventures to treat 
space with the boy scout attitude of leaving it better than when you got 
there... note I did not say law. 

I don't know where ICBMs traverse the low earth orbit, but if SHTF it could get 
hairy with nukes playing pinball off a bunch of baby satellites

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:

  I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of 
material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a contrail... 
 #chemtrails

  On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Steve Jones]

I was reading an article the other day about the space debris problem, in
particular these tiny satellites and the diminishing windows for launch. I
never gave it a lot of though cause space is kind of big, but really its
not, and 28k mph is kind of fast to hit anything. These tiny satellites are
being tossed up left and right, by less scrupulous entities than spacex,
though they did talk about this venture directly.

I think there should be a standards commitment to all space ventures to
treat space with the boy scout attitude of leaving it better than when you
got there... note I did not say law.

I don't know where ICBMs traverse the low earth orbit, but if SHTF it could
get hairy with nukes playing pinball off a bunch of baby satellites

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of
> material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a
> contrail...  #chemtrails
>
> On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
>> they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>
>> do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
>> environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
>> going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth
>>
>> On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Make it impossible for nation states to block too
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>
>> Bet this will be spendy service.
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/
>> spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/
>> > spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

One satellite vaporized to particles probably equals a few seconds of output 
from a coal power station.
And vaporized glass & aluminum don't bother me much because most of the dust 
kicked up by the wind is mostly silicon dioxide and aluminum dioxide.  All 
the stuff in the satellite originated in the earth.  Ashes to ashes.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of
material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a
contrail...  #chemtrails

On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Robert Andrews]

I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of 
material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a 
contrail...  #chemtrails


On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So, they 
vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their environmental 
impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you going to 
do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

  On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Steve Jones]

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you going
> to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth
>
> On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Make it impossible for nation states to block too
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>
>> Bet this will be spendy service.
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/
>> spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Jaime Solorza]

Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you going
to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Make it impossible for nation states to block too
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites
>
> Bet this will be spendy service.
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/
> 05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Mathew Howard]

Depends what the situation is... we have several micro-POPs that are just a
tripod on a house roof - in those cases, climbing is basically free. Even
comparing 450 LiteAPs to ePMP LiteAPs, you'd be saving about $1k per AP...
if you're having to use a full 450AP where you could use an ePMP Lite AP,
you're saving over $2k.

Realistically though... yeah, just making a 450i Lite AP seems more
practical to me.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> With the SM cost being the most expensive, why would you want a more
> expensive SM only to save you <2k on the AP?  With the reality climbing
> isn't free, we'll say you got a cheap climber to do it for $500.  Best case
> scenario you're saving $1500 on the AP.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Joe Falaschi  wrote:
>
>> Your second paragraph, that would be awesome.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 3, 2017, at 1:39 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's frustrating. ePMP only supports 2.5ms @ 20MHz for timing with
>> FSK. It's obvious that they don't want to hurt 450 sales, especially now
>> with the ePMP 2k closing the performance gap. I don't want ePMP-450 sync to
>> co-locate them. I want it to be able to sync nearby ePMP APs at micro-POPs,
>> where I typically run a 10MHz, with larger sites that have 450 clusters.
>> We're already running into this.
>>
>> I've often wondered if they could make their new 5GHz wideband SoC-based
>> SMs speak ePMP TDD in addition to the regular 450 OFDM. Imagine being able
>> to upgrade a site from ePMP to 450i or 450m and never have to touch the
>> SMs. I often dream of parallel universes where these things are possible.
>> And then I wake up. :(
>>
>> On 5/3/2017 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>> I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with my 450
>> network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface
>> is better, has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization
>> %. Epmp just isn't for me.
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats what
>>> application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in 2 flavors of
>>> band but thats where planning and design comes in.
>>>
>>> Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for denser and
>>> larger area of coverage. (450i/M)
>>>
>>> Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400 series
>>> for high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great
>>>
>>> outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out Farmers
>>> Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the 40Mb connection
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We have 2
>>> at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for the Rodeo
>>> absolutely loved it and asked how
>>>
>>> they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part is
>>> that the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to connect.
>>> They are positioned so they look under the bleachers
>>>
>>> where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because folks in
>>> the bleachers can connect with limited guest access. Which we got about 25
>>> new customers off that one event..
>>>
>>> LOVE IT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>
>>> I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on
>>> justifying smaller sites...
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.

 On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

 Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45
 connector.


 You can see this explained here: http://community.cambiumnetwor
 ks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-
 p/52198#U52198


 Matt



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
 *To:* af  
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?


 Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power
 (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port
 with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make
 timing port stuff work.


 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

 the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?


 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM,  wrote:

 I wonder when this will happen.  Like to 

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

[AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

Bet this will be spendy service.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

[Gino A. Villarini]

Metro E

From: Af > on behalf of Mike 
Hammett >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 10:37 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

What kind of service?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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From: "Gino A. Villarini" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:31:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

Any good ATT reseller with good pricing ?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Josh Luthman]

With the SM cost being the most expensive, why would you want a more
expensive SM only to save you <2k on the AP?  With the reality climbing
isn't free, we'll say you got a cheap climber to do it for $500.  Best case
scenario you're saving $1500 on the AP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Joe Falaschi  wrote:

> Your second paragraph, that would be awesome.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2017, at 1:39 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, that's frustrating. ePMP only supports 2.5ms @ 20MHz for timing with
> FSK. It's obvious that they don't want to hurt 450 sales, especially now
> with the ePMP 2k closing the performance gap. I don't want ePMP-450 sync to
> co-locate them. I want it to be able to sync nearby ePMP APs at micro-POPs,
> where I typically run a 10MHz, with larger sites that have 450 clusters.
> We're already running into this.
>
> I've often wondered if they could make their new 5GHz wideband SoC-based
> SMs speak ePMP TDD in addition to the regular 450 OFDM. Imagine being able
> to upgrade a site from ePMP to 450i or 450m and never have to touch the
> SMs. I often dream of parallel universes where these things are possible.
> And then I wake up. :(
>
> On 5/3/2017 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with my 450
> network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface
> is better, has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization
> %. Epmp just isn't for me.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen 
> wrote:
>
>> Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats what
>> application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in 2 flavors of
>> band but thats where planning and design comes in.
>>
>> Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for denser and
>> larger area of coverage. (450i/M)
>>
>> Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400 series
>> for high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great
>>
>> outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out Farmers
>> Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the 40Mb connection
>> to it.
>>
>> The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We have 2
>> at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for the Rodeo
>> absolutely loved it and asked how
>>
>> they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part is that
>> the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to connect. They are
>> positioned so they look under the bleachers
>>
>> where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because folks in
>> the bleachers can connect with limited guest access. Which we got about 25
>> new customers off that one event..
>>
>> LOVE IT
>>
>>
>> On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>> I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on
>> justifying smaller sites...
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.
>>>
>>> On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>>>
>>> Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45
>>> connector.
>>>
>>>
>>> You can see this explained here: http://community.cambiumnetwor
>>> ks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-
>>> p/52198#U52198
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
>>> *To:* af  
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power
>>> (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port
>>> with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make
>>> timing port stuff work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be
>>> discontinued at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David Milholen
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
>>>
>>>
>>> replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as
>>> 450 in AP world
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at
>>> least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice
>>> stormy weekend. I hate my life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> 
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Joe Falaschi]

Your second paragraph, that would be awesome.

Joe



> On May 3, 2017, at 1:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's frustrating. ePMP only supports 2.5ms @ 20MHz for timing with 
> FSK. It's obvious that they don't want to hurt 450 sales, especially now with 
> the ePMP 2k closing the performance gap. I don't want ePMP-450 sync to 
> co-locate them. I want it to be able to sync nearby ePMP APs at micro-POPs, 
> where I typically run a 10MHz, with larger sites that have 450 clusters. 
> We're already running into this.
> 
> I've often wondered if they could make their new 5GHz wideband SoC-based SMs 
> speak ePMP TDD in addition to the regular 450 OFDM. Imagine being able to 
> upgrade a site from ePMP to 450i or 450m and never have to touch the SMs. I 
> often dream of parallel universes where these things are possible. And then I 
> wake up. :(
> 
> On 5/3/2017 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with my 450 network. 
>> Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface is better, 
>> has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization %. Epmp 
>> just isn't for me.
>> 
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen > > wrote:
>> Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats what 
>> application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in 2 flavors of 
>> band but thats where planning and design comes in.
>> Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for denser and 
>> larger area of coverage. (450i/M)
>> 
>> Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400 series for 
>> high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great 
>> outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out Farmers 
>> Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the 40Mb connection to 
>> it.
>> 
>> The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We have 2 at 
>> the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for the Rodeo absolutely 
>> loved it and asked how
>> 
>> they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part is that 
>> the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to connect. They are 
>> positioned so they look under the bleachers 
>> where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because folks in the 
>> bleachers can connect with limited guest access. Which we got about 25 new 
>> customers off that one event..
>> 
>> LOVE IT
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on justifying 
>>> smaller sites...
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup >> > wrote:
>>> Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.
>>> 
>>> On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
 Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45 
 connector.
 
  
 You can see this explained here: 
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198
  
 
  
 Matt
 
   <>
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
 Behalf Of Mathew Howard
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
 To: af  
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
 
  
 Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power 
 (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing 
 port with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make 
 timing port stuff work.
 
  
 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones > wrote:
 
 the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?
 
  
 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM, > 
 wrote:
 
 I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be 
 discontinued at the same time. 
 
  
 From: David Milholen
 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM
 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
 
  
 replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as 450 
 in AP world
 
  
  
 On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
 
 FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at 
 least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice 
 stormy weekend. I hate my life.
 
  
 -- 
 
 
  
  
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[George Skorup]

Yes, that's frustrating. ePMP only supports 2.5ms @ 20MHz for timing 
with FSK. It's obvious that they don't want to hurt 450 sales, 
especially now with the ePMP 2k closing the performance gap. I don't 
want ePMP-450 sync to co-locate them. I want it to be able to sync 
nearby ePMP APs at micro-POPs, where I typically run a 10MHz, with 
larger sites that have 450 clusters. We're already running into this.


I've often wondered if they could make their new 5GHz wideband SoC-based 
SMs speak ePMP TDD in addition to the regular 450 OFDM. Imagine being 
able to upgrade a site from ePMP to 450i or 450m and never have to touch 
the SMs. I often dream of parallel universes where these things are 
possible. And then I wake up. :(


On 5/3/2017 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with my 450 
network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 
interface is better, has a lot of features I am using such as AP 
downlink utilization %. Epmp just isn't for me.


On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen > wrote:


Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats
what application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in
2 flavors of band but thats where planning and design comes in.

Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for
denser and larger area of coverage. (450i/M)

Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400
series for high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great

outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out
Farmers Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the
40Mb connection to it.

The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We
have 2 at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for
the Rodeo absolutely loved it and asked how

they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part
is that the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to
connect. They are positioned so they look under the bleachers

where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because
folks in the bleachers can connect with limited guest access.
Which we got about 25 new customers off that one event..

LOVE IT


On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on
justifying smaller sites...

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.

On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:


Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the
RJ-45 connector.

You can see this explained here:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198



Matt

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
*To:* af  
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync
over power (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did
replace the old timing port with the rj45 aux port, so I'm
not sure what needs to be done to make timing port stuff work.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

the i series has a different power plant and sync
mechanism doesnt it?

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM, > wrote:

I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule
the 450 stinger to be discontinued at the same time.

*From:*David Milholen

*Sent:*Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx
same price point as 450 in AP world

On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:

FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are
no longer available, at least in 5GHz. So be
prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the
nice stormy weekend. I hate my life.

-- 






-- 

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

[David Sovereen]

Sorry all, I meant that to be off list. 

Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Any good ATT reseller with good pricing ?
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

[David Sovereen]

Hi Gino,

We are an AT Wholesale Partner (different from a broker). I don't know if our 
contract gives us access to Puerto Rico, and I won't be in the office til 
tomorrow, but I'd be happy to look and give you a price if it does. 

Regards,

Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Any good ATT reseller with good pricing ?
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

[Chris Wright]

I’ve been happy with Intelletrace. Hit up my guy Matt and tell him I sent ya. J

mnarah...@intelletrace.com

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

 

Never the same price as direct.. in my experience.  

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:39 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Usually same price as direct 

 

On May 3, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

What kind of service?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:31:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

Any good ATT reseller with good pricing ?


 

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



 

 

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

[Josh Baird]

Never the same price as direct.. in my experience.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:39 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Usually same price as direct
>
> On May 3, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> What kind of service?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Gino A. Villarini" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:31:59 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ATT Reseller
>>
>> Any good ATT reseller with good pricing ?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

[TJ Trout]

Usually same price as direct

On May 3, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> What kind of service?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gino A. Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:31:59 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ATT Reseller
>
> Any good ATT reseller with good pricing ?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

[Mike Hammett]

What kind of service? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino A. Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:31:59 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller 


Any good ATT reseller with good pricing ? 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Philip Rankin]

5GHz



On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:16 AM Philip Rankin  wrote:

> Hey all, I have an original 450 AP that I am not going to use if someone
> needs it.
>
> Phil Rankin, CEO
> Mobilcom Wireless
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:27 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with my 450
>> network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface
>> is better, has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization
>> %. Epmp just isn't for me.
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats what
>>> application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in 2 flavors of
>>> band but thats where planning and design comes in.
>>>
>>> Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for denser and
>>> larger area of coverage. (450i/M)
>>>
>>> Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400 series
>>> for high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great
>>>
>>> outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out Farmers
>>> Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the 40Mb connection
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We have 2
>>> at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for the Rodeo
>>> absolutely loved it and asked how
>>>
>>> they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part is
>>> that the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to connect.
>>> They are positioned so they look under the bleachers
>>>
>>> where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because folks in
>>> the bleachers can connect with limited guest access. Which we got about 25
>>> new customers off that one event..
>>>
>>> LOVE IT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>
>> I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on
>>> justifying smaller sites...
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.

 On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

 Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45
 connector.



 You can see this explained here:
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198



 Matt



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
 *To:* af  
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?



 Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power
 (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port
 with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make
 timing port stuff work.



 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

 the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?



 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM,  wrote:

 I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be
 discontinued at the same time.



 *From:* David Milholen

 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?



 replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as
 450 in AP world





 On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:

 FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at
 least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice
 stormy weekend. I hate my life.



 --







>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> --
> Philip J. Rankin
> Wireless Telecommunications Services
> PO Box 24
> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>
-- 
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Philip Rankin]

Hey all, I have an original 450 AP that I am not going to use if someone
needs it.

Phil Rankin, CEO
Mobilcom Wireless




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:27 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with my 450
> network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface
> is better, has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization
> %. Epmp just isn't for me.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen 
> wrote:
>
>> Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats what
>> application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in 2 flavors of
>> band but thats where planning and design comes in.
>>
>> Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for denser and
>> larger area of coverage. (450i/M)
>>
>> Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400 series
>> for high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great
>>
>> outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out Farmers
>> Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the 40Mb connection
>> to it.
>>
>> The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We have 2
>> at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for the Rodeo
>> absolutely loved it and asked how
>>
>> they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part is that
>> the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to connect. They are
>> positioned so they look under the bleachers
>>
>> where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because folks in
>> the bleachers can connect with limited guest access. Which we got about 25
>> new customers off that one event..
>>
>> LOVE IT
>>
>>
>> On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
> I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on justifying
>> smaller sites...
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.
>>>
>>> On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>>>
>>> Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45
>>> connector.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can see this explained here:
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
>>> *To:* af  
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power
>>> (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port
>>> with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make
>>> timing port stuff work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be
>>> discontinued at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David Milholen
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as
>>> 450 in AP world
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at
>>> least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice
>>> stormy weekend. I hate my life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
> --
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Josh Baird]

ePMP has downlink frame utilization % too.. not going to argue that it has
a better overall interface though because PMP450's interface is much better.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with my 450
> network. Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface
> is better, has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization
> %. Epmp just isn't for me.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen 
> wrote:
>
>> Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats what
>> application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in 2 flavors of
>> band but thats where planning and design comes in.
>>
>> Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for denser and
>> larger area of coverage. (450i/M)
>>
>> Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400 series
>> for high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great
>>
>> outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out Farmers
>> Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the 40Mb connection
>> to it.
>>
>> The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We have 2
>> at the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for the Rodeo
>> absolutely loved it and asked how
>>
>> they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part is that
>> the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to connect. They are
>> positioned so they look under the bleachers
>>
>> where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because folks in
>> the bleachers can connect with limited guest access. Which we got about 25
>> new customers off that one event..
>>
>> LOVE IT
>>
>>
>> On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>> I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on
>> justifying smaller sites...
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.
>>>
>>> On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>>>
>>> Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45
>>> connector.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can see this explained here: http://community.cambiumnetwor
>>> ks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-
>>> p/52198#U52198
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
>>> *To:* af  
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power
>>> (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port
>>> with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make
>>> timing port stuff work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be
>>> discontinued at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David Milholen
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as
>>> 450 in AP world
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at
>>> least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice
>>> stormy weekend. I hate my life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I can't use EPMP for microsites because  it won't sync with my 450 network.
Plus I don't want a mixed and matched network. The 450 interface is better,
has a lot of features I am using such as AP downlink utilization %. Epmp
just isn't for me.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:13 PM, David Milholen  wrote:

> Why not just go EPMP for the light or small cell startup? Thats what
> application I would use it for. I know that it only comes in 2 flavors of
> band but thats where planning and design comes in.
>
> Everything Else deserves scale ability and high capacity for denser and
> larger area of coverage. (450i/M)
>
> Price point is great on the EPMP line also. Lovin the E500/E400 series for
> high capacity indoor solutions. The E500 make a great
>
> outdoor market coverage AP. For example we deploy these at out Farmers
> Market and I  only used one AP and a 450 sub to bring the 40Mb connection
> to it.
>
> The vendors use it for their Square and simple wifi offload.  We have 2 at
> the Arena at our local Fairgrounds and the vendors for the Rodeo absolutely
> loved it and asked how
>
> they get such great service at their house LOL.  The coolest part is that
> the APs are at opposite ends of the arena and use mesh to connect. They are
> positioned so they look under the bleachers
>
> where the vendors are. We kill 2 birds with one stone because folks in the
> bleachers can connect with limited guest access. Which we got about 25 new
> customers off that one event..
>
> LOVE IT
>
>
> On 5/2/2017 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on justifying
> smaller sites...
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.
>>
>> On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>>
>> Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45
>> connector.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can see this explained here: http://community.cambiumnetwor
>> ks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-
>> UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
>> *To:* af  
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power
>> (it's the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port
>> with the rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make
>> timing port stuff work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be
>> discontinued at the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Milholen
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?
>>
>>
>>
>> replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as 450
>> in AP world
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>> FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at
>> least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice
>> stormy weekend. I hate my life.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Used 450

From: Af > on behalf of Kurt 
Fankhauser >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 6:39 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

lites?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
I can sell you some APs

From: Af > on behalf of Kurt 
Fankhauser >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:59 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

I second that! with no 450L right now this is a huge problem on justifying 
smaller sites...




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Dear Matt, we need a 450i Lite AP.

On 5/2/2017 10:04 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
Regarding the timing port, it’s just a wiring change to the RJ-45 connector.

You can see this explained here: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Cable-Diagram-for-450i-and-450m-to-UGPS/m-p/52198#U52198

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:45 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

Yeah, 48v instead of 24v... 450i still uses the normal sync over power (it's 
the 450m that changed that), but they did replace the old timing port with the 
rj45 aux port, so I'm not sure what needs to be done to make timing port stuff 
work.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
the i series has a different power plant and sync mechanism doesnt it?

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM, > wrote:
I wonder when this will happen.  Like to schedule the 450 stinger to be 
discontinued at the same time.

From: David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:16 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?


replace your 450s with 450i or m.. 450i Is approx same price point as 450 in AP 
world



On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at least 
in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice stormy 
weekend. I hate my life.

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