Re: [AFMUG] Thanks to our service men and women

[Paul Stewart]

Thank you to the service people from the various countries represented on this 
list … 

Paul

> On May 28, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> On Sun May 28 2017 10:32, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> God bless and thanks for serving...Jaime
> 
> +100 and thank you.
> 
> -- 
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[George Skorup]

This is why I gave up on the BCM48 and just started using the BCMU360 
instead. The regular BCMs seem to have NO charging current limit. Either 
that or something in them breaks and the results are the same. I cooked 
a TSP360-148. The one I mentioned a few months ago that screeches on 
startup. The thing was pushing over 10 amps on the output for 30-40 
minutes trying to charge a string I had sitting for a while. I found out 
just after that one of the batteries was shot. So I'm not sure if that's 
what screwed up the BCM. This was just sitting on the bench plugged into 
a 20A recept in the wall. The breaker didn't trip. There's no way in 
hell I'm putting a regular BCM in the field.


I've said this several times. The BCMU360 is rated for 240W continuous 
and I don't typically load it up with more than ~220W. I use a Mean Well 
SDR-240-48 instead of a TSP360. It's much cheaper, especially after 
nuking that first one.


On 5/28/2017 12:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
A 48 volt battery discharged down to 42 volts will be a very very 
heavy load for whatever is attempting to charge it.

A TSP 600-148 will only make 12.5 amps max.
Your battery could easily want 25 or 50 amps for the first 10 
seconds.  It will taper off to zero as it comes up to charge, but the 
more dead they are, the more they appear to be a dead short to the 
charger.
You have probably never tried to start this system with stoned batts.  
What is the amp rating of the battery breaker?
And the AC side will have a pretty high inrush current as well.  Is 
your AC breaker greater than the power supply inrush current.  TSP 600 
recommends a 25 amp circuit breaker on 120 VAC.

*From:* Josh Baird
*Sent:* Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question
I have a site with a TSP+BCM 48V combo.  Last night, something caused 
the AC breaker to trip, putting the site on battery.  We didn't see 
the alert until about 12 hours later.  At this point, the batteries 
were down to ~42V.  When our guy arrived on site, he reset the AC 
breaker, and AC power was restored.  Immediately, the battery breaker 
(breaker between positive side of the batteries and the BCM) tripped.
Now, each time that we reset the battery breaker, it causes the AC 
breaker to immediately trip.  At this point, the site is up on AC with 
no battery.  Any ideas what would be causing this?  Do you think the 
batteries are causing the BCM to draw too much current?  Could one (or 
more) of the batteries be dead/bad?  The site *did* run successfully 
on battery for nearly 12 hours.

Josh

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[George Skorup]

We're talking 7.62x51 NATO. I have an ArmaLite AR-10 w/ an ACOG on top 
and a 2-stage trigger that I built about 10 years ago. It's not cheap to 
shoot, but it sure is fun. :) If I was going to buy another 7.62 gun 
today, it'd be an LMT 308 MWS.


On 5/28/2017 12:54 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Cool, I didn't know that was a thing. I just have a Russian AK-47.

On Sunday, May 28, 2017, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


That would be an AR-10 :)

I've been considering building one.

- Josh

On May 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "David Milholen" > wrote:

I have an AR15-7.62 with red dot and a whole bunch of knives..
Oh and a cool tent.

Ill just post up outside and setup the guard post :)



On 5/26/2017 4:45 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I don't have an RPG but I do have an isreali tavor with both
a thermal scope and a red dot. Can I get in?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:19 PM Jay Weekley
>
wrote:

And the PBRs.

Jay Weekley wrote:
> I'll bring the RPGs.
>
> Jeremy wrote:
>> LMAO!
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright

>> >>
wrote:
>>
>> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming
from California
>> so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast
sense of entitlement.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>> >]
On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com

>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>
>> That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
>>
>> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com

>
>> wrote:
>> > Well, it is Utah...
>> >
>> > *From:* Cameron Crum
>> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com

>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> > That looks more like  a bunker.
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,

>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or
pillars
>> underneath.  It
>> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Sterling
Jacobson
>> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com

>
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>> >]
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com

>> >
>>   

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[George Skorup]

Dave, is that 7.62x39? I have five 30rd mags, but never built/bought an 
upper for it. 5.56 came down in price so I said screw it. You can have 
the mags if you want them. I also have five 5.45x39 mags if anyone wants 
those. Never got around to an upper for that either. They are all 
C-Products stainless with anti-tilt followers.


On May 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "David Milholen" > wrote:


   I have an AR15-7.62 with red dot and a whole bunch of knives.. Oh
   and a cool tent.

   Ill just post up outside and setup the guard post :)



   On 5/26/2017 4:45 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I don't have an RPG but I do have an isreali tavor with both a
thermal scope and a red dot. Can I get in?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:19 PM Jay Weekley
> wrote:

And the PBRs.

Jay Weekley wrote:
> I'll bring the RPGs.
>
> Jeremy wrote:
>> LMAO!
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright

>> >>
wrote:
>>
>> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from
California
>> so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of
entitlement.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>> >] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>
>> That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
>>
>> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 >
>> wrote:
>> > Well, it is Utah...
>> >
>> > *From:* Cameron Crum
>> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> > That looks more like  a bunker.
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, 
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
>> underneath.  It
>> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>> >] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com

>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I
do not
>> understand
>> > why they did not start at one end and place them
all in a
>> sequence.
>> > When they came to install this last slab, the
hole was too
>> large and
>> > they had to scootch everything around.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>>

>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/28/17 1:11 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

R Series [1] should be fine for the AC side though, right?

[1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/



Yes, fine for AC. You could probably use a smaller breaker in D curve 
since it's 100ms trip is 20 times rated current. That means a 25A 
breaker should take <100ms inrush of 500A without tripping.


Of course, if you pick a breaker larger than whatever is upstream 
feeding it then it's just an expensive switch.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Josh Baird]

R Series [1] should be fine for the AC side though, right?

[1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 5/28/17 11:24 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
>> Ok - thanks for the info!  It looks like the R-Series breakers are only
>> for AC, though?  On the AC side, I'm thinking of this one:
>>
>> http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/
>>
>
>
>
> I thought you were using R series. I glanced at the picture and the letter
> in the description. V-EA are UL508's for motor disconnect.
>
> The UR series is the DC version:
> http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/UR-Series.html
>
> I also use L or DL series which are UL489. R and UR are UL1077.
>
> Difference:
> http://www.schneider-electric.us/en/faqs/FA145355/
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Josh Baird]

Thanks.. these are *much* cheaper than what I have been using.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> A bit lower cost:
> https://www.invertersupply.com/index.php?main_page=
> product_info_id=5857=CMr2gOyuk9QCFQ6QaQodFyQDTA
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question
>
> Sorry, that was wrong.  This is what you want:
> https://www.solar-electric.com/midnite-solar-mnepv-10-
> amps-circuit-breaker.html
> $11.35 and you can buy just one.
> Din rail mount.
>
> Midnite-solar has a full range of these in many different amperage
> ratings.
> But until you get one, go to an auto parts store and buy an inline fuse
> holder with a 10 amp fuse to tide you over.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question
>
> I have used these for  DC:
> https://www.solar-electric.com/mneac.html
>
> *From:* Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question
>
> Ok - thanks for the info!  It looks like the R-Series breakers are only
> for AC, though?  On the AC side, I'm thinking of this one:
>
> http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/
>
> Do you have any suggestions for a single-pol 10A DC breaker that I can use
> for the BATT side?  I'm not finding anything in Altech's lineup that
> matches these specs.
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 5/28/17 10:44 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>>> Ok - so this is what I was thinking.  I thought my breakers were rated
>>> for much more current, but it looks like they are only rated for 5A (both
>>> AC [1] and BATT [2]).
>>>
>>> In short - I need a breaker that can handle more current, correct?  I
>>> have these breakers at a ton of sites.. can't believe I just noticed they
>>> were only rated for 5A. :(  In the meantime, I may need to use an external
>>> charger to get these batteries charged back up.
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2c5um/70076204/
>>>
>>
>>
>> Other than making sure you have the right size breaker for running load,
>> that's a C curve breaker. Ideally for things with high inrush like power
>> supplies and transformers you should prefer a D curve, which have a higher
>> 100ms trip point at 20xRC. The C curve is 10xRC at 100ms.
>>
>> See the table here:
>> http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/R-Series.html
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Chuck McCown]

A bit lower cost:
https://www.invertersupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info_id=5857=CMr2gOyuk9QCFQ6QaQodFyQDTA

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

Sorry, that was wrong.  This is what you want:
https://www.solar-electric.com/midnite-solar-mnepv-10-amps-circuit-breaker.html
$11.35 and you can buy just one.  
Din rail mount.  

Midnite-solar has a full range of these in many different amperage ratings.  
But until you get one, go to an auto parts store and buy an inline fuse holder 
with a 10 amp fuse to tide you over.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

I have used these for  DC:
https://www.solar-electric.com/mneac.html

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

Ok - thanks for the info!  It looks like the R-Series breakers are only for AC, 
though?  On the AC side, I'm thinking of this one: 

http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/


Do you have any suggestions for a single-pol 10A DC breaker that I can use for 
the BATT side?  I'm not finding anything in Altech's lineup that matches these 
specs.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 5/28/17 10:44 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

Ok - so this is what I was thinking.  I thought my breakers were rated for 
much more current, but it looks like they are only rated for 5A (both AC [1] 
and BATT [2]).

In short - I need a breaker that can handle more current, correct?  I have 
these breakers at a ton of sites.. can't believe I just noticed they were only 
rated for 5A. :(  In the meantime, I may need to use an external charger to get 
these batteries charged back up.

[1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2c5um/70076204/



  Other than making sure you have the right size breaker for running load, 
that's a C curve breaker. Ideally for things with high inrush like power 
supplies and transformers you should prefer a D curve, which have a higher 
100ms trip point at 20xRC. The C curve is 10xRC at 100ms.

  See the table here:
  http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/R-Series.html

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Chuck McCown]

Sorry, that was wrong.  This is what you want:
https://www.solar-electric.com/midnite-solar-mnepv-10-amps-circuit-breaker.html
$11.35 and you can buy just one.  
Din rail mount.  

Midnite-solar has a full range of these in many different amperage ratings.  
But until you get one, go to an auto parts store and buy an inline fuse holder 
with a 10 amp fuse to tide you over.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

I have used these for  DC:
https://www.solar-electric.com/mneac.html

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

Ok - thanks for the info!  It looks like the R-Series breakers are only for AC, 
though?  On the AC side, I'm thinking of this one: 

http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/


Do you have any suggestions for a single-pol 10A DC breaker that I can use for 
the BATT side?  I'm not finding anything in Altech's lineup that matches these 
specs.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 5/28/17 10:44 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

Ok - so this is what I was thinking.  I thought my breakers were rated for 
much more current, but it looks like they are only rated for 5A (both AC [1] 
and BATT [2]).

In short - I need a breaker that can handle more current, correct?  I have 
these breakers at a ton of sites.. can't believe I just noticed they were only 
rated for 5A. :(  In the meantime, I may need to use an external charger to get 
these batteries charged back up.

[1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2c5um/70076204/



  Other than making sure you have the right size breaker for running load, 
that's a C curve breaker. Ideally for things with high inrush like power 
supplies and transformers you should prefer a D curve, which have a higher 
100ms trip point at 20xRC. The C curve is 10xRC at 100ms.

  See the table here:
  http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/R-Series.html

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Chuck McCown]

I have used these for  DC:
https://www.solar-electric.com/mneac.html

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

Ok - thanks for the info!  It looks like the R-Series breakers are only for AC, 
though?  On the AC side, I'm thinking of this one: 

http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/


Do you have any suggestions for a single-pol 10A DC breaker that I can use for 
the BATT side?  I'm not finding anything in Altech's lineup that matches these 
specs.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 5/28/17 10:44 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

Ok - so this is what I was thinking.  I thought my breakers were rated for 
much more current, but it looks like they are only rated for 5A (both AC [1] 
and BATT [2]).

In short - I need a breaker that can handle more current, correct?  I have 
these breakers at a ton of sites.. can't believe I just noticed they were only 
rated for 5A. :(  In the meantime, I may need to use an external charger to get 
these batteries charged back up.

[1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2c5um/70076204/



  Other than making sure you have the right size breaker for running load, 
that's a C curve breaker. Ideally for things with high inrush like power 
supplies and transformers you should prefer a D curve, which have a higher 
100ms trip point at 20xRC. The C curve is 10xRC at 100ms.

  See the table here:
  http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/R-Series.html

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/28/17 11:43 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

The UR series is the DC version:
http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/UR-Series.html


Scratch that, that's wrong.

I was thinking DL series:

http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/UL-DL-Series.html

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/28/17 11:24 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
Ok - thanks for the info!  It looks like the R-Series breakers are only 
for AC, though?  On the AC side, I'm thinking of this one:


http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/




I thought you were using R series. I glanced at the picture and the 
letter in the description. V-EA are UL508's for motor disconnect.


The UR series is the DC version:
http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/UR-Series.html

I also use L or DL series which are UL489. R and UR are UL1077.

Difference:
http://www.schneider-electric.us/en/faqs/FA145355/

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Josh Baird]

Ok - thanks for the info!  It looks like the R-Series breakers are only for
AC, though?  On the AC side, I'm thinking of this one:

http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2du25r/70075748/

Do you have any suggestions for a single-pol 10A DC breaker that I can use
for the BATT side?  I'm not finding anything in Altech's lineup that
matches these specs.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 5/28/17 10:44 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
>> Ok - so this is what I was thinking.  I thought my breakers were rated
>> for much more current, but it looks like they are only rated for 5A (both
>> AC [1] and BATT [2]).
>>
>> In short - I need a breaker that can handle more current, correct?  I
>> have these breakers at a ton of sites.. can't believe I just noticed they
>> were only rated for 5A. :(  In the meantime, I may need to use an external
>> charger to get these batteries charged back up.
>>
>> [1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2c5um/70076204/
>>
>
>
> Other than making sure you have the right size breaker for running load,
> that's a C curve breaker. Ideally for things with high inrush like power
> supplies and transformers you should prefer a D curve, which have a higher
> 100ms trip point at 20xRC. The C curve is 10xRC at 100ms.
>
> See the table here:
> http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/R-Series.html
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/28/17 10:44 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
Ok - so this is what I was thinking.  I thought my breakers were rated 
for much more current, but it looks like they are only rated for 5A 
(both AC [1] and BATT [2]).


In short - I need a breaker that can handle more current, correct?  I 
have these breakers at a ton of sites.. can't believe I just noticed 
they were only rated for 5A. :(  In the meantime, I may need to use an 
external charger to get these batteries charged back up.


[1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2c5um/70076204/



Other than making sure you have the right size breaker for running load, 
that's a C curve breaker. Ideally for things with high inrush like power 
supplies and transformers you should prefer a D curve, which have a 
higher 100ms trip point at 20xRC. The C curve is 10xRC at 100ms.


See the table here:
http://www.altechcorp.com/breakers/R-Series.html

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Jason McKemie]

Cool, I didn't know that was a thing. I just have a Russian AK-47.

On Sunday, May 28, 2017, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> That would be an AR-10 :)
>
> I've been considering building one.
>
> - Josh
>
> On May 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "David Milholen"  > wrote:
>
>> I have an AR15-7.62 with red dot and a whole bunch of knives.. Oh and a
>> cool tent.
>>
>> Ill just post up outside and setup the guard post :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/26/2017 4:45 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> I don't have an RPG but I do have an isreali tavor with both a thermal
>> scope and a red dot. Can I get in?
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:19 PM Jay Weekley > > wrote:
>>
>>> And the PBRs.
>>>
>>> Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> > I'll bring the RPGs.
>>> >
>>> > Jeremy wrote:
>>> >> LMAO!
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright >> 
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
>>> >> so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of
>>> entitlement.
>>> >>
>>> >> Chris Wright
>>> >> Network Administrator
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> 
>>> >> >> >] On Behalf Of
>>> Robert Andrews
>>> >> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>>> >> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> >
>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>> >>
>>> >> That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>  >> ch...@wbmfg.com >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Well, it is Utah...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *From:* Cameron Crum
>>> >> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
>>> >> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>  >> >
>>> >> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That looks more like  a bunker.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, >> 
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
>>> >> underneath.  It
>>> >> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> >> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>>> >> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>  >> >
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Original Message-
>>> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> 
>>> >> >> >] On Behalf Of
>>> ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
>>> >> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>  >> >
>>> >> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
>>> >> understand
>>> >> > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
>>> >> sequence.
>>> >> > When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
>>> >> large and
>>> >> > they had to scootch everything around.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, minimum of 16 amps for the AC and 7.5 for the DC.  

And DC  breakers are special, do not use an AC breaker on DC.
 
You can short out both breakers with a jumper for for a short amount of time 
until the batts get a bit of a charge.  Probably only take a few minutes.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

Ok - so this is what I was thinking.  I thought my breakers were rated for much 
more current, but it looks like they are only rated for 5A (both AC [1] and 
BATT [2]). 

In short - I need a breaker that can handle more current, correct?  I have 
these breakers at a ton of sites.. can't believe I just noticed they were only 
rated for 5A. :(  In the meantime, I may need to use an external charger to get 
these batteries charged back up.

[1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2c5um/70076204/
[2] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-1c5um/70076445/

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  360 recommends a 16 amp or greater circuit for the AC.
  And it will only make 7.5 amps.  Almost any batter discharged that much will 
take 100% of that 7.5 amps when starting to charge.  I would set the battery 
circuit breaker to be higher than 7.5 amps to prevent this problem.  

  From: Josh Baird 
  Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:30 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

  This site has about 180-200W of load.  The TSP power supply is 360W.  I know 
the BCM has about a ~55W overhead for charging, so that should still leave 
plenty of headroom, wouldn't you think?

  On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Might be as simple as your AC circuit is too small for the whole load. The 
key questions are (1) What is the load of your equipment?, and (2) What is the 
bulk charge load on your controller?

Add those two together to understand what the total load should be.


bp
 


On 5/28/2017 9:19 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

  I have a site with a TSP+BCM 48V combo.  Last night, something caused the 
AC breaker to trip, putting the site on battery.  We didn't see the alert until 
about 12 hours later.  At this point, the batteries were down to ~42V.  When 
our guy arrived on site, he reset the AC breaker, and AC power was restored.  
Immediately, the battery breaker (breaker between positive side of the 
batteries and the BCM) tripped.

  Now, each time that we reset the battery breaker, it causes the AC 
breaker to immediately trip.  At this point, the site is up on AC with no 
battery.  Any ideas what would be causing this?  Do you think the batteries are 
causing the BCM to draw too much current?  Could one (or more) of the batteries 
be dead/bad?  The site *did* run successfully on battery for nearly 12 hours.

  Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Josh Baird]

Ok - so this is what I was thinking.  I thought my breakers were rated for
much more current, but it looks like they are only rated for 5A (both AC
[1] and BATT [2]).

In short - I need a breaker that can handle more current, correct?  I have
these breakers at a ton of sites.. can't believe I just noticed they were
only rated for 5A. :(  In the meantime, I may need to use an external
charger to get these batteries charged back up.

[1] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-2c5um/70076204/
[2] http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-1c5um/70076445/

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 360 recommends a 16 amp or greater circuit for the AC.
> And it will only make 7.5 amps.  Almost any batter discharged that much
> will take 100% of that 7.5 amps when starting to charge.  I would set the
> battery circuit breaker to be higher than 7.5 amps to prevent this
> problem.
>
> *From:* Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question
>
> This site has about 180-200W of load.  The TSP power supply is 360W.  I
> know the BCM has about a ~55W overhead for charging, so that should still
> leave plenty of headroom, wouldn't you think?
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Might be as simple as your AC circuit is too small for the whole load.
>> The key questions are (1) What is the load of your equipment?, and (2) What
>> is the bulk charge load on your controller?
>>
>> Add those two together to understand what the total load should be.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2017 9:19 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>>> I have a site with a TSP+BCM 48V combo.  Last night, something caused
>>> the AC breaker to trip, putting the site on battery.  We didn't see the
>>> alert until about 12 hours later.  At this point, the batteries were down
>>> to ~42V.  When our guy arrived on site, he reset the AC breaker, and AC
>>> power was restored.  Immediately, the battery breaker (breaker between
>>> positive side of the batteries and the BCM) tripped.
>>>
>>> Now, each time that we reset the battery breaker, it causes the AC
>>> breaker to immediately trip.  At this point, the site is up on AC with no
>>> battery.  Any ideas what would be causing this?  Do you think the batteries
>>> are causing the BCM to draw too much current?  Could one (or more) of the
>>> batteries be dead/bad?  The site *did* run successfully on battery for
>>> nearly 12 hours.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Chuck McCown]

360 recommends a 16 amp or greater circuit for the AC.
And it will only make 7.5 amps.  Almost any batter discharged that much will 
take 100% of that 7.5 amps when starting to charge.  I would set the battery 
circuit breaker to be higher than 7.5 amps to prevent this problem.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

This site has about 180-200W of load.  The TSP power supply is 360W.  I know 
the BCM has about a ~55W overhead for charging, so that should still leave 
plenty of headroom, wouldn't you think?

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Might be as simple as your AC circuit is too small for the whole load. The 
key questions are (1) What is the load of your equipment?, and (2) What is the 
bulk charge load on your controller?

  Add those two together to understand what the total load should be.


  bp
   


  On 5/28/2017 9:19 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

I have a site with a TSP+BCM 48V combo.  Last night, something caused the 
AC breaker to trip, putting the site on battery.  We didn't see the alert until 
about 12 hours later.  At this point, the batteries were down to ~42V.  When 
our guy arrived on site, he reset the AC breaker, and AC power was restored.  
Immediately, the battery breaker (breaker between positive side of the 
batteries and the BCM) tripped.

Now, each time that we reset the battery breaker, it causes the AC breaker 
to immediately trip.  At this point, the site is up on AC with no battery.  Any 
ideas what would be causing this?  Do you think the batteries are causing the 
BCM to draw too much current?  Could one (or more) of the batteries be 
dead/bad?  The site *did* run successfully on battery for nearly 12 hours.

Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Chuck McCown]

A 48 volt battery discharged down to 42 volts will be a very very heavy load 
for whatever is attempting to charge it.  
A TSP 600-148 will only make 12.5 amps max.  

Your battery could easily want 25 or 50 amps for the first 10 seconds.  It will 
taper off to zero as it comes up to charge, but the more dead they are, the 
more they appear to be a dead short to the charger.  

You have probably never tried to start this system with stoned batts.  What is 
the amp rating of the battery breaker?

And the AC side will have a pretty high inrush current as well.  Is your AC 
breaker greater than the power supply inrush current.  TSP 600 recommends a 25 
amp circuit breaker on 120 VAC.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

I have a site with a TSP+BCM 48V combo.  Last night, something caused the AC 
breaker to trip, putting the site on battery.  We didn't see the alert until 
about 12 hours later.  At this point, the batteries were down to ~42V.  When 
our guy arrived on site, he reset the AC breaker, and AC power was restored.  
Immediately, the battery breaker (breaker between positive side of the 
batteries and the BCM) tripped.   

Now, each time that we reset the battery breaker, it causes the AC breaker to 
immediately trip.  At this point, the site is up on AC with no battery.  Any 
ideas what would be causing this?  Do you think the batteries are causing the 
BCM to draw too much current?  Could one (or more) of the batteries be 
dead/bad?  The site *did* run successfully on battery for nearly 12 hours.

Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Josh Baird]

This site has about 180-200W of load.  The TSP power supply is 360W.  I
know the BCM has about a ~55W overhead for charging, so that should still
leave plenty of headroom, wouldn't you think?

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Might be as simple as your AC circuit is too small for the whole load. The
> key questions are (1) What is the load of your equipment?, and (2) What is
> the bulk charge load on your controller?
>
> Add those two together to understand what the total load should be.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/28/2017 9:19 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
>> I have a site with a TSP+BCM 48V combo.  Last night, something caused the
>> AC breaker to trip, putting the site on battery.  We didn't see the alert
>> until about 12 hours later.  At this point, the batteries were down to
>> ~42V.  When our guy arrived on site, he reset the AC breaker, and AC power
>> was restored.  Immediately, the battery breaker (breaker between positive
>> side of the batteries and the BCM) tripped.
>>
>> Now, each time that we reset the battery breaker, it causes the AC
>> breaker to immediately trip.  At this point, the site is up on AC with no
>> battery.  Any ideas what would be causing this?  Do you think the batteries
>> are causing the BCM to draw too much current?  Could one (or more) of the
>> batteries be dead/bad?  The site *did* run successfully on battery for
>> nearly 12 hours.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Bill Prince]

Might be as simple as your AC circuit is too small for the whole load. 
The key questions are (1) What is the load of your equipment?, and (2) 
What is the bulk charge load on your controller?


Add those two together to understand what the total load should be.


bp


On 5/28/2017 9:19 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
I have a site with a TSP+BCM 48V combo.  Last night, something caused 
the AC breaker to trip, putting the site on battery.  We didn't see 
the alert until about 12 hours later.  At this point, the batteries 
were down to ~42V.  When our guy arrived on site, he reset the AC 
breaker, and AC power was restored.  Immediately, the battery breaker 
(breaker between positive side of the batteries and the BCM) tripped.


Now, each time that we reset the battery breaker, it causes the AC 
breaker to immediately trip.  At this point, the site is up on AC with 
no battery.  Any ideas what would be causing this?  Do you think the 
batteries are causing the BCM to draw too much current?  Could one (or 
more) of the batteries be dead/bad?  The site *did* run successfully 
on battery for nearly 12 hours.


Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks to our service men and women

[Larry Smith]

On Sun May 28 2017 10:32, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> God bless and thanks for serving...Jaime

+100 and thank you.

-- 
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lesm...@ecsis.net

[AFMUG] Traco TSP+BCM Question

[Josh Baird]

I have a site with a TSP+BCM 48V combo.  Last night, something caused the
AC breaker to trip, putting the site on battery.  We didn't see the alert
until about 12 hours later.  At this point, the batteries were down to
~42V.  When our guy arrived on site, he reset the AC breaker, and AC power
was restored.  Immediately, the battery breaker (breaker between positive
side of the batteries and the BCM) tripped.

Now, each time that we reset the battery breaker, it causes the AC breaker
to immediately trip.  At this point, the site is up on AC with no battery.
Any ideas what would be causing this?  Do you think the batteries are
causing the BCM to draw too much current?  Could one (or more) of the
batteries be dead/bad?  The site *did* run successfully on battery for
nearly 12 hours.

Josh

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Josh Reynolds]

That would be an AR-10 :)

I've been considering building one.

- Josh

On May 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "David Milholen"  wrote:

> I have an AR15-7.62 with red dot and a whole bunch of knives.. Oh and a
> cool tent.
>
> Ill just post up outside and setup the guard post :)
>
>
>
> On 5/26/2017 4:45 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I don't have an RPG but I do have an isreali tavor with both a thermal
> scope and a red dot. Can I get in?
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:19 PM Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> And the PBRs.
>>
>> Jay Weekley wrote:
>> > I'll bring the RPGs.
>> >
>> > Jeremy wrote:
>> >> LMAO!
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
>> >> so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.
>> >>
>> >> Chris Wright
>> >> Network Administrator
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> >> ] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> >> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com 
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >>
>> >> That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
>> >>
>> >> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Well, it is Utah...
>> >> >
>> >> > *From:* Cameron Crum
>> >> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
>> >> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> >> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >> >
>> >> > That looks more like  a bunker.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
>> >> underneath.  It
>> >> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>> >> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com 
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> >> ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> >> 
>> >> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com 
>> >> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >> >
>> >> > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
>> >> understand
>> >> > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
>> >> sequence.
>> >> > When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
>> >> large and
>> >> > they had to scootch everything around.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > utm_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com
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>> >>
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[AFMUG] Thanks to our service men and women

[Jaime Solorza]

God bless and thanks for serving...Jaime

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[David Milholen]

I have an AR15-7.62 with red dot and a whole bunch of knives.. Oh and a 
cool tent.


Ill just post up outside and setup the guard post :)



On 5/26/2017 4:45 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I don't have an RPG but I do have an isreali tavor with both a thermal 
scope and a red dot. Can I get in?


On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:19 PM Jay Weekley > wrote:


And the PBRs.

Jay Weekley wrote:
> I'll bring the RPGs.
>
> Jeremy wrote:
>> LMAO!
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright

>> >> wrote:
>>
>> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from
California
>> so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of
entitlement.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>> >] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com  >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>
>> That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
>>
>> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 >
>> wrote:
>> > Well, it is Utah...
>> >
>> > *From:* Cameron Crum
>> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> > That looks more like  a bunker.
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, 
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
>> underneath.  It
>> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>> >] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com

>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
>> understand
>> > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
>> sequence.
>> > When they came to install this last slab, the hole
was too
>> large and
>> > they had to scootch everything around.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>


>> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED Lifespan

[David Milholen]

+1 Ours have been working for 2yrs or more.


On 5/27/2017 12:27 PM, George Skorup wrote:
We bought a bunch of 4' LED tubes for our office. They were like $8-9 
each. I don't remember the brand or where we bought them. Built-in 
transformer, so you just bypass or cut out the ballast and wire them 
all 120VAC at one end. 50 or 60, I forget. About 15 are wired to a 
breaker that we flip on if we're on generator. The rest have been used 
daily for well over a year with no failures.


On 5/27/2017 10:02 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Hmm, I have confirmed over 50% failures on my HomeDepot Cree Bulbs, I 
bought 6 and have replaced 3 so far.


On 5/27/2017 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have converted everything to LED from Home Depot. Zero failures.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Saturday, May 27, 
2017 8:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED Lifespan
I've converted some things to A type LED Bulbs at my house, mainly 
for the reduced heat output, but I'm not seeing anywhere near the 
lifespan advertised.  I would say ~50% failure rate within 2 years. 
I'm betting the actual LED's are fine, but the driver burns out.  Is 
this common with LED's or am I just really unlucky?  We installed a 
bunch of 4' LED Shop lights, granted they were all the same 
manufacturer, but we have about 75% failed within 8 months.






--

Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED Lifespan

[David Milholen]

+1

And yes you are correct about driver failure.

My father builds and repairs chicken house lighting controllers capable 
of 2 banks of 1500W connections.


Storms keep him real busy in that business and he knows a ton about all 
the different LEDs and how they respond


to certain frequencies to achieve the correct color temperatures. Power 
surges are the no.1 killer of driver failure.


He also very familiar with the driver system on these high powered 
units. Very cool to listen to him explain how


the change in technology allows for so much energy to be distributed 
between incandescence lighting to LED lighting.





On 5/27/2017 10:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I wonder about surges and overvoltage excursions on your power.

I have probably purchased 50 or more CREE.  My kitchen has 16 floods 
in the coffered ceiling.

Most of my bathrooms have 4-12.  Zero failures.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED Lifespan

Hmm, I have confirmed over 50% failures on my HomeDepot Cree Bulbs, I
bought 6 and have replaced 3 so far.

On 5/27/2017 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have converted everything to LED from Home Depot. Zero failures.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Saturday, May 27, 
2017 8:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED Lifespan
I've converted some things to A type LED Bulbs at my house, mainly 
for the reduced heat output, but I'm not seeing anywhere near the 
lifespan advertised.  I would say ~50% failure rate within 2 years. 
I'm betting the actual LED's are fine, but the driver burns out.  Is 
this common with LED's or am I just really unlucky?  We installed a 
bunch of 4' LED Shop lights, granted they were all the same 
manufacturer, but we have about 75% failed within 8 months.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED Lifespan

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Just curious, are these enclosured fixtures?

LED bulbs really don't like running in enclosured fixtures, expecially the
higher wattage equivalent ones.

I also think there are a lot of cheap LED fixtures/bulbs out there which
probably aren't designed correctly.   I'd guess the LED shop lights might
fit into this category.

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I've converted some things to A type LED Bulbs at my house, mainly for the
> reduced heat output, but I'm not seeing anywhere near the lifespan
> advertised.  I would say ~50% failure rate within 2 years. I'm betting the
> actual LED's are fine, but the driver burns out.  Is this common with LED's
> or am I just really unlucky?  We installed a bunch of 4' LED Shop lights,
> granted they were all the same manufacturer, but we have about 75% failed
> within 8 months.
>



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Learned something

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

How dare you apply a label to gender?   I'm NOT insulted, but I should be,
apparently.

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Perhaps verging on politics, but I learned today that my gender is CIS.  I
> honestly had no clue
> Since I have a fancy gender designator, do I get any special privileges.
>



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