Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

We're in the process of experimenting with this with a few of our products,
not quite there yet, just a few more hoops to jump through (dealing with
either getting UPC labels or figuring out how to list without).   But, the
intent is to start with a few wider-interest products we've been selling
(i.e. the single port gigabit poe adapter we mentioned in a previous
thread, and the 10A current shunts).

This is a perfect example of my opinions about distributors though:

I'm willing to pay Amazon $30/month + 15% to bring me new business.   This
is with me drop shipping to the customers.   For higher turn items, we will
also probably have amazon do fulfillment for us.   We're still working the
details out (like the UPC issue above).   But 15% is a good value for this
in my mind.   A bit higher than I would like to pay, but still 85% of
something is better than 100% of nothing.   Because we're being picky about
what we list over there (at least initially), we will probably not end up
with much of our existing business being pushed through amazon, so amazon
is largely going to be new referral business for us.   We haven't quite
decided if we're going to charge a bit more at Amazon to help offset the
15% additional, but I think this is likely.

By contrast, the distributors in this industry I've had conversations with
want a lot more than 15%.  They want to not pay me until 60-90 days after I
drop ship to their customers (probably at my expense), and then they can't
guarantee that they'll actually bring me new business, and they won't
commit to doing any specific marketing of my products.  They also want me
to only sell at MSRP, and provide enough margin so they can undercut me
with lower prices than what I currently sell.   I understand the reason
behind all of the above, but none of it really helps add to my bottom
line.As a result, I do not yet have any distributors, and won't have
any until one comes along with a win-win opportunity.   At some point in
the near future, I'll probably look at re-opening this dialog with several
of them to see if something has changed (or if some that I haven't had
discussions with yet might have a better offer).   I want to be clear: I
haven't had a detailed discussion about this with more than a couple of the
distributors, so I can't vouch for all of them, but those were the terms
for the couple who I have had this discussion with.

Add to that the type of frustrations Chuck is having with distributors
right now (and which started this thread), and I am sort of glad I haven't
ended up down that path.




On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Have you tried Amazon for distribution?
>
>
>
> I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd
> things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.
>
>
>
> Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon
> now, and good riddance.
>
>
>
> At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that
> helps buyers etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
>
>
> I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
> extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
> customers.  There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock
> are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that
> lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they
> take your money right quick, thats for sure
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:
>
> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse,
> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some
> take advantage of this and some don't.
>
> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
> we
> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when
> a
> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
> blame us.
>
> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
> distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.
> Otherwise
> I would just sell direct.
>
> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
> channel
> that gets the sales.
>
> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
>
> -Original 

Re: [AFMUG] RAID controller eats disks?

[Josh Reynolds]

I would consider a problem with the power cable used to feed that disk.

On Dec 5, 2017 11:48 PM, "Dev"  wrote:

> Old RAID controllers are notorious for misbehaving and giving false
> readings on drive/volume health. Additionally, the older the controller,
> the harder it is to find good shelf spares with matching model/firmware,
> etc. that will be happy reading your RAID volume(s) in the event of a
> controller failure. This is why I’ve been slowly migrating to a reasonably
> tolerant - like RAID 6 - array which is configured with software RAID in
> the native OS (typically Linux in my case). Nothing wrong with hardware
> RAID, it just can be a little tricky to recover data in the event the
> hardware dies.
>
> With the speed of hardware these days and size of drives, in a 4-drive
> array using RAID 6 you can build some very large volumes with great fault
> tolerance on vanilla hardware with good I/O performance, and even if the
> whole server turns into a smoking hole, you can rebuild your data on some
> other standard hardware. Also, as drives increase in capacity, it’s more
> important to have more than just one volume for parity, two is nice in RAID
> 6.
>
> You might be able to build a new box and start migrating your data in case
> you have a failure and difficulty getting your data. Hardware is usually
> cheaper than the data on it, and peace of mind is nice. Good luck whichever
> way you choose, hope you keep all the important data.
>
> >>
> >
>
> I've got a somewhat old Dell Poweredge with a PERC H700 RAID controller.
>
> About a year ago SMART predicted a failure on disk 4, so I replaced it.
> A few weeks ago SMART predicted a failure on disk 4, so I replaced it.
> Today SMART predicts a failure on disk 4.
>
> On the second incident I have no doubts, because the disk made audible
> noises.  I'm just curious why it's always disk 4.  Can the controller
> conceivably do something that harms the disk?  Just a statistical
> anomaly?
>
> It's a RAID 1+0 by the way, so there should be a nearly identical
> workload on one of the other disks.

Re: [AFMUG] RAID controller eats disks?

[Dev]

Old RAID controllers are notorious for misbehaving and giving false readings on 
drive/volume health. Additionally, the older the controller, the harder it is 
to find good shelf spares with matching model/firmware, etc. that will be happy 
reading your RAID volume(s) in the event of a controller failure. This is why 
I’ve been slowly migrating to a reasonably tolerant - like RAID 6 - array which 
is configured with software RAID in the native OS (typically Linux in my case). 
Nothing wrong with hardware RAID, it just can be a little tricky to recover 
data in the event the hardware dies.

With the speed of hardware these days and size of drives, in a 4-drive array 
using RAID 6 you can build some very large volumes with great fault tolerance 
on vanilla hardware with good I/O performance, and even if the whole server 
turns into a smoking hole, you can rebuild your data on some other standard 
hardware. Also, as drives increase in capacity, it’s more important to have 
more than just one volume for parity, two is nice in RAID 6. 

You might be able to build a new box and start migrating your data in case you 
have a failure and difficulty getting your data. Hardware is usually cheaper 
than the data on it, and peace of mind is nice. Good luck whichever way you 
choose, hope you keep all the important data.

>>
>

I've got a somewhat old Dell Poweredge with a PERC H700 RAID controller.

About a year ago SMART predicted a failure on disk 4, so I replaced it.  
A few weeks ago SMART predicted a failure on disk 4, so I replaced it. 
Today SMART predicts a failure on disk 4.

On the second incident I have no doubts, because the disk made audible 
noises.  I'm just curious why it's always disk 4.  Can the controller 
conceivably do something that harms the disk?  Just a statistical 
anomaly?

It's a RAID 1+0 by the way, so there should be a nearly identical 
workload on one of the other disks.

Re: [AFMUG] BTC 12k+

[Simon Westlake]

Every time it goes up another $1k, I keep saying, it'd be stupid to buy 
it now. But if I'd bought 1 bitcoin a month ago, I'd have made almost 5k 
already.


On 12/5/2017 9:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
If somebody does another robbery and they fork again, i will mortgage. 
Its going to survive one more and rebound. 3rd fork will be the coffin 
nail though


On Dec 5, 2017 9:18 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:


Wait till the twins sell their billion worth and see what happens.
If it is like regular currency, the value won't change significantly.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 8:37 PM Travis Johnson > wrote:

How high can it go?? When do you sell?? What's a "fair" return??

Travis



--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] BTC 12k+

[Steve Jones]

If somebody does another robbery and they fork again, i will mortgage. Its
going to survive one more and rebound. 3rd fork will be the coffin nail
though

On Dec 5, 2017 9:18 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Wait till the twins sell their billion worth and see what happens. If it
> is like regular currency, the value won't change significantly.
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 8:37 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> How high can it go?? When do you sell?? What's a "fair" return??
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] BTC 12k+

[Lewis Bergman]

Wait till the twins sell their billion worth and see what happens. If it is
like regular currency, the value won't change significantly.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 8:37 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:

> How high can it go?? When do you sell?? What's a "fair" return??
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BTC 12k+

[Steve Jones]

This is getting insane. So many people are getting so rich. When this
bubble bursts though its going to be bedlam. Imagine the proposed laws that
are going to be presented. This may be a moment in history where we get to
witness something as momentous as the moon landing. As long as governments
and major corps dont vest we wont have to see 1929.

Im negative about cryprocurrency replacing money because i understand the
concept of electricity. But i read an article the other day so negative it
made me want to take another mortgage and buy in to spite the author. It
was about getting in more than a year ago and how it would basically be a
disaster because capital gains tax. His math was even correct and still it
was a bad thing, because apparently making a shit ton after taxes is
utterly aweful and terribly poor financial decision.

On Dec 5, 2017 8:37 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

How high can it go?? When do you sell?? What's a "fair" return??

Travis

[AFMUG] BTC 12k+

[Travis Johnson]

How high can it go?? When do you sell?? What's a "fair" return??

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I called M-TOW a few weeks ago to order suppression. The nice lady on the phone 
recommended I call a distributor so I could get below MSRP pricing. I thanked 
her and called a distributor that I use for other gear. They charged MSRP and 
drop shipped it from Chuck to me. Should have just ordered from M-TOW in the 
first place. 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

 

There are a number of people that like buying as much as possible from a single 
vendor. Presumably the vendor also has a wider base of customers. There are a 
great many valid reasons to use distributors. Whether or not Chuck's case for 
into those is good decision.

All I can say for sure is I can't get any more ice shields.

 

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 7:36 PM Jeremy  wrote:

I prefer to buy direct.

 

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

Have you tried Amazon for distribution?

 

I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd things 
now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.

 

Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon now, 
and good riddance.

 

At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that helps 
buyers etc.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

 

I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended 
length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers.  
There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.

 

 

 

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the 
devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you 
get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money 
right quick, thats for sure

 

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:

We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all 
distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and 
keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some take 
advantage of this and some don't.

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
blame us.

The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.  Otherwise
I would just sell direct.

We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel
that gets the sales.

Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?

I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".

On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our 
tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on our 
e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the 
distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t have 
visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer 
as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can give an 
opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those 
that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always have the 
stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in the cycle due 
to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them 
around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.

 

 





 

-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345   | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, 
Helena, MT 59602 

 

  forre...@imach.com |   
http://www.packetflux.com

       

Re: [AFMUG] AC AND solar charge controller???

[Jesse Dupont]

If you’re running in a 48v panel config, Tycon makes a 65V 1200W AC power 
supply meant to be parallel to the solar panels. Can feed it and the PV into 
the PV input of your controller and be covered both ways.


From: Af  on behalf of Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 6:23:53 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC AND solar charge controller???

My other thought was to just rectify the AC, perhaps filter it with a capacitor 
or two, and bridge that output with the output of the solar through a couple of 
isolation diodes. The rectifies AC would be at a voltage greater than the solar 
normally, but would drop to zero when the power was out. The diodes would 
prevent them from fighting each other.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
I use an Outback Power FLEXower ONE at my cabin.  Solar charging, and AC input 
for generator when I need it. Automatic Generator Start via their “MATE3” unit 
(and reporting).   It has everything integrated, so you just hang the unit, but 
is probably overkill for what you want.




> On Dec 5, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Bill Prince 
> > wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen a charge controller that will take AC input AND solar input?
>
> I know that I've seen ones that combine wind and solar, so there must be some 
> that will allow primary power on AC, and backup/simultaneous input with solar 
> panels?
>
> Purpose is a remote site where we expect more than average AC power outages, 
> but is we could also charge the batteries via solar, we would be good.
>
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] AC AND solar charge controller???

[Eric Kuhnke]

Iota engineering DLS series. Standalone ac input to DC output charge
controller, 3 stage. I have never seen a single unit photovoltaic charge
controller that has any sort of AC input (in the MPPT 40 to 80A class).

On Dec 5, 2017 4:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Has anyone seen a charge controller that will take AC input AND solar
> input?
>
> I know that I've seen ones that combine wind and solar, so there must be
> some that will allow primary power on AC, and backup/simultaneous input
> with solar panels?
>
> Purpose is a remote site where we expect more than average AC power
> outages, but is we could also charge the batteries via solar, we would be
> good.
>
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Lewis Bergman]

There are a number of people that like buying as much as possible from a
single vendor. Presumably the vendor also has a wider base of customers.
There are a great many valid reasons to use distributors. Whether or not
Chuck's case for into those is good decision.

All I can say for sure is I can't get any more ice shields.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 7:36 PM Jeremy  wrote:

> I prefer to buy direct.
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you tried Amazon for distribution?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd
>> things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>> Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon
>> now, and good riddance.
>>
>>
>>
>> At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that
>> helps buyers etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>> Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
>> extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
>> customers.  There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock
>> are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that
>> lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they
>> take your money right quick, thats for sure
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
>> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse,
>> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some
>> take advantage of this and some don't.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>>
>> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
>> we
>> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then
>> when a
>> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
>> blame us.
>>
>> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
>> distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.
>> Otherwise
>> I would just sell direct.
>>
>> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
>> channel
>> that gets the sales.
>>
>> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
>> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>>
>> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
>> absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
>>
>> I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
>> were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
>> parts in".
>>
>> On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
>> our tower mount products.
>> Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on
>> our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the
>> distributors.
>> Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t
>> have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
>> answer as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can
>> give an opinion as to who may have them.
>> I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
>> those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always
>> have the stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in
>> the cycle due to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the
>> parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
>> Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Jeremy]

I prefer to buy direct.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Have you tried Amazon for distribution?
>
>
>
> I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd
> things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.
>
>
>
> Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon
> now, and good riddance.
>
>
>
> At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that
> helps buyers etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
>
>
> I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
> extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
> customers.  There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock
> are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that
> lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they
> take your money right quick, thats for sure
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:
>
> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse,
> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some
> take advantage of this and some don't.
>
> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
> we
> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when
> a
> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
> blame us.
>
> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
> distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.
> Otherwise
> I would just sell direct.
>
> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
> channel
> that gets the sales.
>
> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
> absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
>
> I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
> were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
> parts in".
>
> On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
> our tower mount products.
> Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on
> our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the
> distributors.
> Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t have
> visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
> answer as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can
> give an opinion as to who may have them.
> I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
> those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always
> have the stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in
> the cycle due to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the
> parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
> Helena, MT 59602
> 
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AC AND solar charge controller???

[Bill Prince]

My other thought was to just rectify the AC, perhaps filter it with a
capacitor or two, and bridge that output with the output of the solar
through a couple of isolation diodes. The rectifies AC would be at a
voltage greater than the solar normally, but would drop to zero when the
power was out. The diodes would prevent them from fighting each other.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> I use an Outback Power FLEXower ONE at my cabin.  Solar charging, and AC
> input for generator when I need it. Automatic Generator Start via their
> “MATE3” unit (and reporting).   It has everything integrated, so you just
> hang the unit, but is probably overkill for what you want.
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone seen a charge controller that will take AC input AND solar
> input?
> >
> > I know that I've seen ones that combine wind and solar, so there must be
> some that will allow primary power on AC, and backup/simultaneous input
> with solar panels?
> >
> > Purpose is a remote site where we expect more than average AC power
> outages, but is we could also charge the batteries via solar, we would be
> good.
> >
> >
> > --
> > bp
> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Have you tried Amazon for distribution?

I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd things 
now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.

Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon now, 
and good riddance.

At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that helps 
buyers etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended 
length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers.  
There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.



On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the 
devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you 
get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money 
right quick, thats for sure

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, > 
wrote:
We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all 
distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and 
keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some take 
advantage of this and some don't.

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
blame us.

The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.  Otherwise
I would just sell direct.

We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel
that gets the sales.

Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?

I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".

On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our 
tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on our 
e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the 
distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t have 
visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer 
as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can give an 
opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those 
that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always have the 
stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in the cycle due 
to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them 
around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.





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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | 
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Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Steve Jones]

The guys doing the drop shipping are playing both ends against the middle,
they know, for example, if chuck doesnt give them the discount, we will
only see the msrp cost, which wont be nearly as competitive. Whats chuck to
do in this case?  Screw the end user because the middlemans a dick? face
it, we look at the manufacturer name when we bitch about cost. nobody ever
says screw doubleradius, cambium gears too expensive, we say screw cambium,
because our preferred middleman may be doubleradius and distributors know
this, small manufacturers probably get regular curbstompings from
distributors because theyre locked into smaller production runs and tighter
forecasting . In a perfect world free market principles would take care of
this, but we are all cuckolded to certain distributors for various reasons,
whether its warehouse locations, volume discount, support, whatever.

Still, F those guys.

Next wispapalooza you should do an award for dropshippiest distributor,
something like a little plaque with a drop of white letting them know
theyre the white part of the bird poop

(doubleradius name was used because it popped into mind, I always liked
those guys, nothing meant by referencing them)

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Agreed. I'd cut the discounts on drop-shipped. They are providing little
> value, so they earn little value.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Keefe John" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:37:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> If you're giving huge discounts and drop shipping why even have
> distributors?  They add no value to your product.
>
> On 12/5/2017 4:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
> extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
> customers.  There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock
>> are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that
>> lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they
>> take your money right quick, thats for sure
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
>>> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse,
>>> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some
>>> take advantage of this and some don't.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>>>
>>> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory,
>>> but we
>>> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then
>>> when a
>>> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
>>> blame us.
>>>
>>> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
>>> distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.
>>> Otherwise
>>> I would just sell direct.
>>>
>>> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
>>> channel
>>> that gets the sales.
>>>
>>> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
>>> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
>>> absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
>>>
>>> I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
>>> were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
>>> parts in".
>>>
>>> On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
 I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
 our tower mount products.
 Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff
 on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the
 distributors.
 Not sure if there was a specific product in 

Re: [AFMUG] AC AND solar charge controller???

[Cassidy B. Larson]

I use an Outback Power FLEXower ONE at my cabin.  Solar charging, and AC input 
for generator when I need it. Automatic Generator Start via their “MATE3” unit 
(and reporting).   It has everything integrated, so you just hang the unit, but 
is probably overkill for what you want.




> On Dec 5, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone seen a charge controller that will take AC input AND solar input?
> 
> I know that I've seen ones that combine wind and solar, so there must be some 
> that will allow primary power on AC, and backup/simultaneous input with solar 
> panels?
> 
> Purpose is a remote site where we expect more than average AC power outages, 
> but is we could also charge the batteries via solar, we would be good.
> 
> 
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

[AFMUG] AC AND solar charge controller???

[Bill Prince]

Has anyone seen a charge controller that will take AC input AND solar input?

I know that I've seen ones that combine wind and solar, so there must be
some that will allow primary power on AC, and backup/simultaneous input
with solar panels?

Purpose is a remote site where we expect more than average AC power
outages, but is we could also charge the batteries via solar, we would be
good.


--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Mike Hammett]

Agreed. I'd cut the discounts on drop-shipped. They are providing little value, 
so they earn little value. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:37:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? 


If you're giving huge discounts and drop shipping why even have distributors? 
They add no value to your product. 


On 12/5/2017 4:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: 



I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended 
length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers. 
There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. 








On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the 
devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you 
get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money 
right quick, thats for sure 




On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all 
distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and 
keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take 
advantage of this and some don't. 

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? 

We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we 
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a 
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to 
blame us. 

The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the 
distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. Otherwise 
I would just sell direct. 

We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel 
that gets the sales. 

Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. 

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM 
To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? 

Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to 
absorb the 20-30 day time frames? 

I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they 
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the 
parts in". 

On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 


I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our 
tower mount products. 
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on our 
e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the 
distributors. 
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have 
visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer 
as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give an 
opinion as to who may have them. 
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those 
that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have the 
stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle due 
to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them 
around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. 












-- 






Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. 

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Keefe John]

If you're giving huge discounts and drop shipping why even have 
distributors?  They add no value to your product.



On 12/5/2017 4:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, 
extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to 
their customers.  There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.




On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones > wrote:


Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of
stock are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is
the ones that lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from
mfg" F those guys, they take your money right quick, thats for sure

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, > wrote:

We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order
fulfillment to all distributors so they can stock at our
warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and keep from paying
double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some take
advantage of this and some don't.

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day
inventory, but we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another
and then when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they
attempt to
blame us.

The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so
that the
distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add
value.  Otherwise
I would just sell direct.

We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks
is the channel
that gets the sales.

Some of our distributors are much better than than others with
this.

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock
levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?

I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts
because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would
have the
parts in".

On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking
for stock on our tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most
of the stuff on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You
get discounts from going to the distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or
not.  I don’t have visibility into the inventory levels of
my distributors so I can never answer as to what they may
or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can give an
opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell
much more than those that don’t and expect us to drop ship
for them.  We may not always have the stuff depending on
production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in the cycle
due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips
the parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it
is 20 or 30 days.






--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/5/17 2:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, 
extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their 
customers.  There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.



Honestly I don't see the point of a distributor that won't stock and 
relies on drop shipping everything. I'm fine with drop ship for stuff 
like if it doesn't move in large volumes, but drop ship should be the 
exception, not the rule.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
customers.  There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.



On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock
> are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that
> lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they
> take your money right quick, thats for sure
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:
>
>> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
>> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse,
>> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some
>> take advantage of this and some don't.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>>
>> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
>> we
>> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then
>> when a
>> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
>> blame us.
>>
>> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
>> distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.
>> Otherwise
>> I would just sell direct.
>>
>> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
>> channel
>> that gets the sales.
>>
>> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
>> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>>
>> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
>> absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
>>
>> I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
>> were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
>> parts in".
>>
>> On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>>> I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
>>> our tower mount products.
>>> Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff
>>> on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the
>>> distributors.
>>> Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t
>>> have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
>>> answer as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can
>>> give an opinion as to who may have them.
>>> I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
>>> those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always
>>> have the stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in
>>> the cycle due to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the
>>> parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[Lewis Bergman]

You only need a NEPA if you are filing for an ASR. When you say local
government, is that 7ac inside some city limits or is this a county/parish
deal? I have found that sometimes whomever is asking for all this doesn't
really know what they are doing. i have been able to get letters from both
cities and counties stating their approval after just a phone call. Cities
seem to be happy to do this if outside their jurisdiction and counties
willl if they have no building permit requirements.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:56 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It's been awhile but I seem to think there's a short form version of NEPA
> that you can use if there's no significant environmental impact.
> That one was pretty painless if I recall correctly.
>
> so many forms go by it's hard to remember them all.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/5/2017 1:38:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower
>
> Some of them mistakenly believe NEPA is required for all towers.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower
>
> I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the site
> is a great location for a tower site, but the local government is asking
> for a 30 page conditional use permit app with an environmental study and a
> public comment period plus approval by the board of supervisors...
>
> After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.
>
> Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?
>
> Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and none
> of them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit nor have
> they received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't think they
> will be asking me to co locate.
>
> Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to be
> completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an
> environmental impact study isn't cheap.
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Yah, I think that was in 2013 when I blinked my eyes...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Seth Mattinen 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps


  On 12/5/17 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
  > People used to love us for providing service. I have a lot of grey hair now.


  There was a point when it went from "thanks for giving me access to this 
  amazing worldwide network" to "you expensive and slow greedy ISP I'm 
  going to file a complaint".

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/5/17 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

People used to love us for providing service. I have a lot of grey hair now.



There was a point when it went from "thanks for giving me access to this 
amazing worldwide network" to "you expensive and slow greedy ISP I'm 
going to file a complaint".

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[Dave]

I think its time for another Hitler skit about BW hogs LOL


On 12/05/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

+1 Mike's idea


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


Set them to 20 and find out what it does.   :-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:16:18 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

We have a customer on our 6x2 plan. connection is sufficient. he
consistently gets 6x2 on speedtests. but when running his apple tv
its only pulling 4, but its a super clean 4, like a system
controlled 4.
Is this a quality stream thing, where maybe it needs 8 for the
next higher resolution, so since it can only get 6 from us, it
drops to a resolution that uses 4?

The stream is constant and clean, its what we would expect if they
were pulling six with our bandwidth controls.

If its the case where apple is doing the speed controls, is there
documentation somewhere? this is one of those "Im paying for 6 and
only getting 4" customers

we can convert him to epmp and put him on a 12x2 rate from this
site, but hes a douche and if apple has increments of something
like 4-sd, 8-hd, 20-4k or something of that nature then he will
just bitch hes only getting 8 of his 12

Id put him on our 30x5 plan, but with as heavy a user as he is and
his volume of complaints, hes not with giving a measurable access
point capacity for the headache he offers for no extra revenue.

he lives in the country and is already pulling the "I can get
100mbps from Mediacom for the same price" (good luck with that
asshole) and hes come at us with "I know your policy is to require
three support requests to get a service call" (TF you say?) Im
waiting for the "broadband is defined as Xmbps" (thats why we sell
high speed internet and dont take money from the government you cuck)




--

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Steve Jones]

Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are
the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie
and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take
your money right quick, thats for sure

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:

> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse,
> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some
> take advantage of this and some don't.
>
> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
> we
> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when
> a
> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
> blame us.
>
> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
> distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.
> Otherwise
> I would just sell direct.
>
> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
> channel
> that gets the sales.
>
> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
> absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
>
> I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
> were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
> parts in".
>
> On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
>> our tower mount products.
>> Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on
>> our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the
>> distributors.
>> Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t
>> have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
>> answer as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can
>> give an opinion as to who may have them.
>> I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
>> those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always
>> have the stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in
>> the cycle due to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the
>> parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

People used to love us for providing service.   I have a lot of grey hair now.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Jones 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:16 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps


  We have a customer on our 6x2 plan. connection is sufficient. he consistently 
gets 6x2 on speedtests. but when running his apple tv its only pulling 4, but 
its a super clean 4, like a system controlled 4.
  Is this a quality stream thing, where maybe it needs 8 for the next higher 
resolution, so since it can only get 6 from us, it drops to a resolution that 
uses 4?


  The stream is constant and clean, its what we would expect if they were 
pulling six with our bandwidth controls.


  If its the case where apple is doing the speed controls, is there 
documentation somewhere? this is one of those "Im paying for 6 and only getting 
4" customers


  we can convert him to epmp and put him on a 12x2 rate from this site, but hes 
a douche and if apple has increments of something like 4-sd, 8-hd, 20-4k or 
something of that nature then he will just bitch hes only getting 8 of his 12


  Id put him on our 30x5 plan, but with as heavy a user as he is and his volume 
of complaints, hes not with giving a measurable access point capacity for the 
headache he offers for no extra revenue.


  he lives in the country and is already pulling the "I can get 100mbps from 
Mediacom for the same price" (good luck with that asshole) and hes come at us 
with "I know your policy is to require three support requests to get a service 
call" (TF you say?) Im waiting for the "broadband is defined as Xmbps" (thats 
why we sell high speed internet and dont take money from the government you 
cuck)

Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[Adam Moffett]

It's been awhile but I seem to think there's a short form version of 
NEPA that you can use if there's no significant environmental impact.

That one was pretty painless if I recall correctly.

so many forms go by it's hard to remember them all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/5/2017 1:38:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower


Some of them mistakenly believe NEPA is required for all towers.

From:TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:35 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the 
site is a great location for a tower site, but the local government is 
asking for a 30 page conditional use permit app with an environmental 
study and a public comment period plus approval by the board of 
supervisors...


After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.

Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?

Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and 
none of them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit 
nor have they received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't 
think they will be asking me to co locate.


Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to 
be completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an 
environmental impact study isn't cheap.


Thanks,

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[Mark Radabaugh]

Conditional Use permit sounds like a zoning issue.   That usually applies when 
the land is not properly zoned for the proposed use.  

How tall is the proposed tower?   A number of states have enacted regulations 
for small calls that would exempt you if you meet the height restriction.

Mark


> On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:35 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the site is 
> a great location for a tower site, but the local government is asking for a 
> 30 page conditional use permit app with an environmental study and a public 
> comment period plus approval by the board of supervisors...
> 
> After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.
> 
> Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?
> 
> Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and none of 
> them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit nor have they 
> received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't think they will be 
> asking me to co locate.  
> 
> Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to be 
> completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an 
> environmental impact study isn't cheap. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> TJ

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[chuck]

So much data, so little time...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

Chuck, youre always testing and charting everything, how is it you dont have a 
database of every movie in every resolution for every device in your home down 
to the solar tie in battery reserve needed to watch willy wonka on an ipad at 
night 8 hours after the power grid went down

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:25 PM,  wrote:

  I find my apple TV to always have better quality than Roku and Tivo.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:16 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

  We have a customer on our 6x2 plan. connection is sufficient. he consistently 
gets 6x2 on speedtests. but when running his apple tv its only pulling 4, but 
its a super clean 4, like a system controlled 4. 
  Is this a quality stream thing, where maybe it needs 8 for the next higher 
resolution, so since it can only get 6 from us, it drops to a resolution that 
uses 4?

  The stream is constant and clean, its what we would expect if they were 
pulling six with our bandwidth controls.

  If its the case where apple is doing the speed controls, is there 
documentation somewhere? this is one of those "Im paying for 6 and only getting 
4" customers

  we can convert him to epmp and put him on a 12x2 rate from this site, but hes 
a douche and if apple has increments of something like 4-sd, 8-hd, 20-4k or 
something of that nature then he will just bitch hes only getting 8 of his 12

  Id put him on our 30x5 plan, but with as heavy a user as he is and his volume 
of complaints, hes not with giving a measurable access point capacity for the 
headache he offers for no extra revenue.

  he lives in the country and is already pulling the "I can get 100mbps from 
Mediacom for the same price" (good luck with that asshole) and hes come at us 
with "I know your policy is to require three support requests to get a service 
call" (TF you say?) Im waiting for the "broadband is defined as Xmbps" (thats 
why we sell high speed internet and dont take money from the government you 
cuck)

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[Steve Jones]

Chuck, youre always testing and charting everything, how is it you dont
have a database of every movie in every resolution for every device in your
home down to the solar tie in battery reserve needed to watch willy wonka
on an ipad at night 8 hours after the power grid went down

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:25 PM,  wrote:

> I find my apple TV to always have better quality than Roku and Tivo.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps
>
> We have a customer on our 6x2 plan. connection is sufficient. he
> consistently gets 6x2 on speedtests. but when running his apple tv its only
> pulling 4, but its a super clean 4, like a system controlled 4.
> Is this a quality stream thing, where maybe it needs 8 for the next higher
> resolution, so since it can only get 6 from us, it drops to a resolution
> that uses 4?
>
> The stream is constant and clean, its what we would expect if they were
> pulling six with our bandwidth controls.
>
> If its the case where apple is doing the speed controls, is there
> documentation somewhere? this is one of those "Im paying for 6 and only
> getting 4" customers
>
> we can convert him to epmp and put him on a 12x2 rate from this site, but
> hes a douche and if apple has increments of something like 4-sd, 8-hd,
> 20-4k or something of that nature then he will just bitch hes only getting
> 8 of his 12
>
> Id put him on our 30x5 plan, but with as heavy a user as he is and his
> volume of complaints, hes not with giving a measurable access point
> capacity for the headache he offers for no extra revenue.
>
> he lives in the country and is already pulling the "I can get 100mbps from
> Mediacom for the same price" (good luck with that asshole) and hes come at
> us with "I know your policy is to require three support requests to get a
> service call" (TF you say?) Im waiting for the "broadband is defined as
> Xmbps" (thats why we sell high speed internet and dont take money from the
> government you cuck)
>

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[Seth Mattinen]

Apple says 8Mbps or higher for HD streaming:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207060

I dunno if they have bit rates for each resolution listed somewhere.

Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[chuck]

One thing about bureaucrats, they love to have all the boxes checked and all 
the pages filled out.  So rather than kick against the pricks, I have learned 
to try to give them more than they ask for if there is no way around it.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the site is a 
great location for a tower site, but the local government is asking for a 30 
page conditional use permit app with an environmental study and a public 
comment period plus approval by the board of supervisors... 

After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.

Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?

Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and none of 
them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit nor have they 
received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't think they will be 
asking me to co locate.  

Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to be 
completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an environmental 
impact study isn't cheap. 

Thanks,

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[Josh Luthman]

+1 Mike's idea


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Set them to 20 and find out what it does.   :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:16:18 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps
>
> We have a customer on our 6x2 plan. connection is sufficient. he
> consistently gets 6x2 on speedtests. but when running his apple tv its only
> pulling 4, but its a super clean 4, like a system controlled 4.
> Is this a quality stream thing, where maybe it needs 8 for the next higher
> resolution, so since it can only get 6 from us, it drops to a resolution
> that uses 4?
>
> The stream is constant and clean, its what we would expect if they were
> pulling six with our bandwidth controls.
>
> If its the case where apple is doing the speed controls, is there
> documentation somewhere? this is one of those "Im paying for 6 and only
> getting 4" customers
>
> we can convert him to epmp and put him on a 12x2 rate from this site, but
> hes a douche and if apple has increments of something like 4-sd, 8-hd,
> 20-4k or something of that nature then he will just bitch hes only getting
> 8 of his 12
>
> Id put him on our 30x5 plan, but with as heavy a user as he is and his
> volume of complaints, hes not with giving a measurable access point
> capacity for the headache he offers for no extra revenue.
>
> he lives in the country and is already pulling the "I can get 100mbps from
> Mediacom for the same price" (good luck with that asshole) and hes come at
> us with "I know your policy is to require three support requests to get a
> service call" (TF you say?) Im waiting for the "broadband is defined as
> Xmbps" (thats why we sell high speed internet and dont take money from the
> government you cuck)
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[chuck]

Some of them mistakenly believe NEPA is required for all towers.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the site is a 
great location for a tower site, but the local government is asking for a 30 
page conditional use permit app with an environmental study and a public 
comment period plus approval by the board of supervisors... 

After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.

Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?

Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and none of 
them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit nor have they 
received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't think they will be 
asking me to co locate.  

Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to be 
completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an environmental 
impact study isn't cheap. 

Thanks,

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[chuck]

Used to be that they could not prevent you from putting up a ham radio tower.
Get a ham license and try that route.  

There are also used to be some federal telecom statutes that spoke to the FCC 
preemption of local regulations on towers but I think they have been eroded.

If Steve Coran is on here I am sure he has some good opinions.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the site is a 
great location for a tower site, but the local government is asking for a 30 
page conditional use permit app with an environmental study and a public 
comment period plus approval by the board of supervisors... 

After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.

Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?

Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and none of 
them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit nor have they 
received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't think they will be 
asking me to co locate.  

Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to be 
completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an environmental 
impact study isn't cheap. 

Thanks,

TJ

[AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[TJ Trout]

I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the site
is a great location for a tower site, but the local government is asking
for a 30 page conditional use permit app with an environmental study and a
public comment period plus approval by the board of supervisors...

After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.

Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?

Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and none of
them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit nor have they
received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't think they will be
asking me to co locate.

Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to be
completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an
environmental impact study isn't cheap.

Thanks,

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[Mike Hammett]

Set them to 20 and find out what it does. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:16:18 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps 


We have a customer on our 6x2 plan. connection is sufficient. he consistently 
gets 6x2 on speedtests. but when running his apple tv its only pulling 4, but 
its a super clean 4, like a system controlled 4. 
Is this a quality stream thing, where maybe it needs 8 for the next higher 
resolution, so since it can only get 6 from us, it drops to a resolution that 
uses 4? 


The stream is constant and clean, its what we would expect if they were pulling 
six with our bandwidth controls. 


If its the case where apple is doing the speed controls, is there documentation 
somewhere? this is one of those "Im paying for 6 and only getting 4" customers 


we can convert him to epmp and put him on a 12x2 rate from this site, but hes a 
douche and if apple has increments of something like 4-sd, 8-hd, 20-4k or 
something of that nature then he will just bitch hes only getting 8 of his 12 


Id put him on our 30x5 plan, but with as heavy a user as he is and his volume 
of complaints, hes not with giving a measurable access point capacity for the 
headache he offers for no extra revenue. 


he lives in the country and is already pulling the "I can get 100mbps from 
Mediacom for the same price" (good luck with that asshole) and hes come at us 
with "I know your policy is to require three support requests to get a service 
call" (TF you say?) Im waiting for the "broadband is defined as Xmbps" (thats 
why we sell high speed internet and dont take money from the government you 
cuck) 

Re: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[chuck]

I find my apple TV to always have better quality than Roku and Tivo.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

We have a customer on our 6x2 plan. connection is sufficient. he consistently 
gets 6x2 on speedtests. but when running his apple tv its only pulling 4, but 
its a super clean 4, like a system controlled 4. 
Is this a quality stream thing, where maybe it needs 8 for the next higher 
resolution, so since it can only get 6 from us, it drops to a resolution that 
uses 4?

The stream is constant and clean, its what we would expect if they were pulling 
six with our bandwidth controls.

If its the case where apple is doing the speed controls, is there documentation 
somewhere? this is one of those "Im paying for 6 and only getting 4" customers

we can convert him to epmp and put him on a 12x2 rate from this site, but hes a 
douche and if apple has increments of something like 4-sd, 8-hd, 20-4k or 
something of that nature then he will just bitch hes only getting 8 of his 12

Id put him on our 30x5 plan, but with as heavy a user as he is and his volume 
of complaints, hes not with giving a measurable access point capacity for the 
headache he offers for no extra revenue.

he lives in the country and is already pulling the "I can get 100mbps from 
Mediacom for the same price" (good luck with that asshole) and hes come at us 
with "I know your policy is to require three support requests to get a service 
call" (TF you say?) Im waiting for the "broadband is defined as Xmbps" (thats 
why we sell high speed internet and dont take money from the government you 
cuck)

[AFMUG] apple tv streaming at 4mbps

[Steve Jones]

We have a customer on our 6x2 plan. connection is sufficient. he
consistently gets 6x2 on speedtests. but when running his apple tv its only
pulling 4, but its a super clean 4, like a system controlled 4.
Is this a quality stream thing, where maybe it needs 8 for the next higher
resolution, so since it can only get 6 from us, it drops to a resolution
that uses 4?

The stream is constant and clean, its what we would expect if they were
pulling six with our bandwidth controls.

If its the case where apple is doing the speed controls, is there
documentation somewhere? this is one of those "Im paying for 6 and only
getting 4" customers

we can convert him to epmp and put him on a 12x2 rate from this site, but
hes a douche and if apple has increments of something like 4-sd, 8-hd,
20-4k or something of that nature then he will just bitch hes only getting
8 of his 12

Id put him on our 30x5 plan, but with as heavy a user as he is and his
volume of complaints, hes not with giving a measurable access point
capacity for the headache he offers for no extra revenue.

he lives in the country and is already pulling the "I can get 100mbps from
Mediacom for the same price" (good luck with that asshole) and hes come at
us with "I know your policy is to require three support requests to get a
service call" (TF you say?) Im waiting for the "broadband is defined as
Xmbps" (thats why we sell high speed internet and dont take money from the
government you cuck)

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[chuck]

We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all 
distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, 
and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some 
take advantage of this and some don't.


-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
blame us.

The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.  Otherwise
I would just sell direct.

We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel
that gets the sales.

Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?

I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".

On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on 
our tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on 
our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the 
distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t have 
visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never 
answer as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can 
give an opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than 
those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always 
have the stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in 
the cycle due to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the 
parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[chuck]

We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we 
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a 
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to 
blame us.


The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the 
distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.  Otherwise 
I would just sell direct.


We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel 
that gets the sales.


Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?

I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".

On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on 
our tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on 
our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the 
distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t have 
visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never 
answer as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can 
give an opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than 
those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always 
have the stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in 
the cycle due to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the 
parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. 

[AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[chuck]

I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our 
tower mount products.  

Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on our 
e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the 
distributors.  

Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t have 
visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer 
as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can give an 
opinion as to who may have them.  

I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those 
that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always have the 
stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in the cycle due 
to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them 
around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.  

Re: [AFMUG] Older AF5 from first productions runs (not AF5X) 24VDC?

[Josh Luthman]

I don't think any AF5/AF5U can do 24v.  They're like 50 watt units.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Chuck Macenski  wrote:

> AF5 and AF5U units always shipped with 50V PoE blocks. The issue to which
> you refer was AF5X only.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> No, as far as I know all Integrated AF5 are 48v only (I'm pretty sure
>> they won't even run on 24v).
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Was there also a series of the integrated AF5 built that was 24VDC
>>> only?  Somebody from ubnt here posted the MAC address range for the AF5X
>>> which were mistakenly shipped as 24VDC-only...
>>>
>>> Or are they all definitely 48VDC?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] handy mib browser

[Josh Luthman]

This is the one I've used on Windows for several years now.  I keep it in
my Dropbox to avoid installing it over and over.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I downloaded this a few weeks ago, about the most no-nonsense one I was
> able to find as well.
>
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2017, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> im always looking for a quick mib browser thats simple and easy. Half the
>> time all i want to do is verify the mib and pull the correct OID to put
>> into an NMS
>>
>> This one has turned out to be pretty handy as just a bare mib browser
>> (free) without any of the extra stuff
>>
>> http://ireasoning.com/mibbrowser.shtml
>>
>

[AFMUG] Changing PSK on ePMP

[Josh Luthman]

Looks like if you have two preferred APS with the same SSID and different
PSK it will only try the first one.  The first one on all the SMs is the
default cam39 but the second is the PSK I wanted to change to.

At this point the best idea I have is to simply delete the first and hope
to hell I entered the new preferred AP a bunch of times.  Anyone else go
through this and have some neat tip?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373