[AFMUG] OT Star Wars movie

[Chuck McCown]

It was pretty good.  Better because our Cisco sales folks gave me free tickets. 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[Steve Jones]

Cnmaestro doesnt do it the way i expected

On Dec 15, 2017 9:45 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Does anyone do this at all?  Wondering if it makes any sense.  I know I'd
> like it at my house with the r200 routers as I don't want to give up my PSK
> to random people.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>

[AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[Josh Luthman]

Does anyone do this at all?  Wondering if it makes any sense.  I know I'd
like it at my house with the r200 routers as I don't want to give up my PSK
to random people.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Josh Baird]

We have always gotten our hybrid cable from BestTronics.  Great to work
with - definitely recommend them.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 12/15/17 15:03, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
>> I was just looking at stuff on mechanical splices, some commented that
>> they were temporary..   True?
>>
>>
>
> It used to be that the index matching gel could dry out. I don't know if
> that's still true or not.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/15/17 15:03, Robert Andrews wrote:
I was just looking at stuff on mechanical splices, some commented that 
they were temporary..   True?





It used to be that the index matching gel could dry out. I don't know if 
that's still true or not.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho

[Mitch Koep]

I sure miss good tamales

Mitch


On 12/15/2017 10:24 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

 tamales

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Mi casa es su casa!  Good food and Tecate.  I am hoping my wife
will be in mood to make tamales.  I owe Steve some.

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 8:38 AM, "Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm happy that my impending visit excites you.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 12/15/2017 10:37:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho


Awesome

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 8:04 AM, mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’m comin down yer chimney




Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[George Skorup]

One of our tech support guys asked me yesterday if we're going to start 
charging for access to Facebook, Netflix, etc. I was just like, dude, 
seriously? Yeah, cuz that will surely get us customers. He said, but now 
we can, so why wouldn't we? I said, but did we before NN? And then I 
realized he was just trying to annoy me. Same shit the media is doing. 
FUD dbag tactics. IT'S A TRAP!


On 12/15/2017 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Exactly.  I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for 
access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix.  Not. Going. To. 
Happen.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really 
wanted to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something 
like that anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the 
customer backlash they'd have to deal with.


Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... 
they'll just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or 
else, they'll find something that's completely unrelated that they 
don't like and blame it on the lack of NN.


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


You would have to justify that as "reasonable network
management".  They defined reasonable network management as being
driven by technical reasons rather than business reasons
(paraphrased). Not disagreeing with you, just clarifying.

The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were
excluded from all the rules.
Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does
filtering for you.  They're a transit provider so they have no NN
rules.

It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about
what would happen.  I wonder if anyone will have the sense to
feel silly about pontificating on Facebook when absolutely
nothing changes.


-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment


NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose
it. JSo it really did’ent do anything.

*/_Dennis Burgess_/**–**Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
–
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net


Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com


Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html



Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites
and will do so with impunity.

These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand
how poorly granularity scales.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good
idea to put out a statement..

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

Yep, that is concise and effective

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino
A. Villarini
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment

What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!

Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality

AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet
services to Business and individuals in PR, USVI and
Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes
 innovation and advancement of connectivity for all
consumers. In Aeronet’s  17 years of history, our
pricing structure has always been simple, unlimited

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[George Skorup]

What happened before NN? Oh gee, there were standard business laws that 
took care of the shady tactics by the big guys. If anything, NN just 
made what they were doing legal if they put it in 1pt font on the last 
page of a contract.


On 12/15/2017 2:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really 
wanted to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something 
like that anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the 
customer backlash they'd have to deal with.


Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... 
they'll just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or 
else, they'll find something that's completely unrelated that they 
don't like and blame it on the lack of NN.


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


You would have to justify that as "reasonable network
management".  They defined reasonable network management as being
driven by technical reasons rather than business reasons
(paraphrased).  Not disagreeing with you, just clarifying.

The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded
from all the rules.
Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering
for you.  They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules.

It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about
what would happen.  I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel
silly about pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes.


-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment


NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose
it. JSo it really did’ent do anything.

*/_Dennis Burgess_/**–**Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
–
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net


Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com


Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html



Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites
and will do so with impunity.

These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand
how poorly granularity scales.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good
idea to put out a statement..

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

Yep, that is concise and effective

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino A.
Villarini
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment

What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!

Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality

AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet
services to Business and individuals in PR, USVI and
Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes
 innovation and advancement of connectivity for all
consumers. In Aeronet’s  17 years of history, our
pricing structure has always been simple, unlimited
and without any toll gates. The placement and removal
of Net Neutrality rules have not and will not modify
our pricing policy.  We maintain our commitment to
provide the fastest and most reliable service to our
customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our
customers needs.

/*Gino A. Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto R

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Adam Moffett]

Exactly.  I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for 
access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix.  Not. Going. To. 
Happen.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really 
wanted to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like 
that anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer 
backlash they'd have to deal with.


Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... 
they'll just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or 
else, they'll find something that's completely unrelated that they 
don't like and blame it on the lack of NN.


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management".  
They defined reasonable network management as being driven by 
technical reasons rather than business reasons (paraphrased).  Not 
disagreeing with you, just clarifying.


The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded 
from all the rules.
Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering for 
you.  They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules.


It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what 
would happen.  I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly 
about pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes.



-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it.  
J  So it really did’ent do anything.




Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment



Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...



On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html 





Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will 
do so with impunity.




These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how 
poorly granularity scales.




On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird  
wrote:


I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good idea to put 
out a statement..




On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall  
wrote:



Yep, that is concise and effective



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. 
Villarini

Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment



What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!



Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality



AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to 
Business and individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any 
action taken  that promotes  innovation and advancement of 
connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s  17 years of history, 
our pricing structure has always been simple, unlimited and 
without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net 
Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy.  
We maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most 
reliable service to our customers, with innovative solutions that 
fulfill our customers needs.




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really wanted
to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like that
anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer backlash
they'd have to deal with.

Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it... they'll
just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or else, they'll
find something that's completely unrelated that they don't like and blame
it on the lack of NN.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management".  They
> defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical reasons
> rather than business reasons (paraphrased).  Not disagreeing with you, just
> clarifying.
>
> The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded from
> all the rules.
> Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering for
> you.  They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules.
>
> It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what would
> happen.  I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly about
> pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
>
> NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it.  J
> So it really did’ent do anything.
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
>
>
>
> Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_
> neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html
>
>
>
> Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do so
> with impunity.
>
>
>
> These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly
> granularity scales.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out a
> statement..
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Yep, that is concise and effective
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment
>
>
>
> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!
>
>
>
> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality
>
>
>
> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and
> individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes
>  innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s
>  17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple,
> unlimited and without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net
> Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We
> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to
> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs.
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Adam Moffett]

You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management".  They 
defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical 
reasons rather than business reasons (paraphrased).  Not disagreeing 
with you, just clarifying.


The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded from 
all the rules.
Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering for 
you.  They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules.


It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what 
would happen.  I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly 
about pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes.



-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it.  J 
 So it really did’ent do anything.




Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment



Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...



On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:



http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html



Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do 
so with impunity.




These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly 
granularity scales.




On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird  
wrote:


I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good idea to put 
out a statement..




On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall  
wrote:



Yep, that is concise and effective



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. 
Villarini

Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment



What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!



Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality



AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business 
and individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  
that promotes  innovation and advancement of connectivity for all 
consumers. In Aeronet’s  17 years of history, our pricing structure 
has always been simple, unlimited and without any toll gates.  The 
placement and removal of Net Neutrality rules have not and will not 
modify our pricing policy.  We maintain our commitment to provide 
the fastest and most reliable service to our customers, with 
innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs.




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Dennis Burgess]

NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose it.  ☺  So it 
really did’ent do anything.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html

Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do so with 
impunity.

These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly 
granularity scales.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out a 
statement..

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Yep, that is concise and effective

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!

Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality

AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and 
individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes  
innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s  17 
years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple, unlimited and 
without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net Neutrality rules have 
not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We maintain our commitment to 
provide the fastest and most reliable service to our customers, with innovative 
solutions that fulfill our customers needs.



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D375BB.62CD6B40]

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Mathew Howard]

Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_
> neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html
>
> Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do so
> with impunity.
>
> These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly
> granularity scales.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out a
>> statement..
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, that is concise and effective
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A.
>>> Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and
>>> individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes
>>>  innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s
>>>  17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple,
>>> unlimited and without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net
>>> Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We
>>> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to
>>> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

[Mathew Howard]

It looks like they're using pretty tiny antennas on those (20.5dbi, if
their link budget calculator is accurate, and I'm reading it right), so
1000 feet is probably pretty accurate, or maybe even a bit optimistic...
they probably wouldn't even link at 1500 feet.

Ignitenets could do what you're talking about, and they'll be a whole lot
cheaper. 2100' might be a little questionable with a sector, but 1500 feet
is probably doable. You could also potentially just do a separate AP for
each one, which would definitely work, and should be pretty reliable at
those distances.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> reviving an old one
> we were looking to pick up 3 customers, but the 1000 foot reach makes
> these seem wrong
> we have 2@1500 and 1@2100 feet
>
> Has anybody poked at these. I assume I can get them to link, but a bird
> fart will knock them offline
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
>> Mayish. .  its in trial.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>>
>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>>  –
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>>
>>
>>
>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>>
>> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>>
>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 4:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz
>>
>>
>>
>> So what did they say?  Shipping when?  Pricing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep just had our sales meeting with them J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess* *–* *Network Solution Engineer – Consultant*
>>
>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>>  –
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>>
>>
>>
>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>>
>> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>>
>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.siklu.com/portfolio-posts/multihaul-point-to-multi-point/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/15/17 11:48, George Skorup wrote:
Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x 
single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and 4x BiDi 
optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with duplex optics. The 
reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated runs. Bring it up to a 
small enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever for your power. LC-LC 
couplers or a patch panel. Flexible conduit from the radios to the 
enclosure. Use standard patch cables inside from the radio to the 
coupler/patch panel.



It's singlemode, so you could consider CWDM, too.

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Steve Jones]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html

Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and will do so
with impunity.

These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how poorly
granularity scales.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out a
> statement..
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Yep, that is concise and effective
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!
>>
>>
>>
>> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality
>>
>>
>>
>> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and
>> individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes
>>  innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s
>>  17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple,
>> unlimited and without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net
>> Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We
>> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to
>> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[George Skorup]

Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x 
single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and 4x BiDi 
optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with duplex optics. The 
reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated runs. Bring it up to a 
small enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever for your power. LC-LC 
couplers or a patch panel. Flexible conduit from the radios to the 
enclosure. Use standard patch cables inside from the radio to the 
coupler/patch panel.


Have your guy splice on some LC pigtails. Or go to FS.com and get some 
mechanical LC connectors. As short as the run is, I would not be 
concerned with mechanical connectors. This is single mode, so you're 
going to have plenty optical budget.


That's my 2c anyway.

On 12/15/2017 10:52 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the 
components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single 
fiber.


Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 
if im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at 
the top for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.


The two big questions are

Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just 
cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.


If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out 
so is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?


Neither of these are more than 120 feet

Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is 
in the air (these are grain elevators though)


Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run 
about 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?


Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

[Steve Jones]

reviving an old one
we were looking to pick up 3 customers, but the 1000 foot reach makes these
seem wrong
we have 2@1500 and 1@2100 feet

Has anybody poked at these. I assume I can get them to link, but a bird
fart will knock them offline

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> Mayish. .  its in trial.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Falaschi
> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 4:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz
>
>
>
> So what did they say?  Shipping when?  Pricing?
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yep just had our sales meeting with them J
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess* *–* *Network Solution Engineer – Consultant*
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz
>
>
>
> https://www.siklu.com/portfolio-posts/multihaul-point-to-multi-point/
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Steve Jones]

these are the conduit kits[image: Inline image 1]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For power we've been running a pair of 16ga conductors up.  You can get
> 16/2 + shield with a heavy outdoor jacket from multiple vendors.  Superior
> Essex sells stuff that's intended for towers.  You can also find outdoor
> speaker wire which is cheaper and has similar specs.  If you're running new
> cables anyway, what's one more?
>
> I've been using pre-terminated fiber up the tower.  Mostly because I don't
> want the tower guy to have to splice.  The tower guys don't usually have
> that in their skill set anyway, and if the cable or connector broke I'm
> just as happy to have them pull up a new pre-terminated cable as to try and
> splice up in the sky.  With the pre-terminated cable I had to special
> request a very short breakout.these days I might do the breakout myself.
>
> So far, the radio products we've used didn't have enough length in the
> cable gland to accommodate the length of the LC connectors or the
> breakout.  So the solution has been to remove the cable gland and thread in
> a short (6" or so) length of conduit with a male threaded adapter on one
> end and a female threaded adapter on the other end.  Male adapter goes into
> radio where the cable gland was, original cable gland goes into the female
> adapter.  Then you have enough space for fiber connectors and a short
> breakout.  The only catch was some radios (Telrad for one) had metric
> threads on the cable gland, so we had to get a metric to NPT adapter in
> order to use locally available conduit parts.  For cable lengths we were
> getting 100' and 200' and we have spares of each.  We end up with lots of
> slack, but I don't see that as a bad thing.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/15/2017 12:26:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs
>
> Well, you need to convey 105/48=2.187 amps.
>
> 24 gauge is 2.5 ohms per 100 feet.  If you used 4 wires for one polarity
> and 4 wires for the other polarity, you would have .625 ohms per polarity
> or 1.25 ohms per loop/100 ft.
>
> So 1.25 * 1.2 = 1.5 ohms for the 120 foot loop.
>
> 1.5 * 2.187 = 3.28 volt drop.  And since you will really be running it of
> of 54 volts if a battery is involved, you have even less current and more
> voltage overhead.  If the equipment will run at 44 volts you are golden.  I
> think you are golden.
>
> Yes, it is pretty sure to work.  If not, use all the conductors on one
> cable for one polarity and all the conductors of the other cable for the
> other polarity.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs
>
> We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the
> components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber.
>
> Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 if
> im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the top
> for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.
>
> The two big questions are
>
> Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just cut
> the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.
>
> If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out so
> is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?
>
> Neither of these are more than 120 feet
>
> Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is in
> the air (these are grain elevators though)
>
> Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about
> 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?
>
> Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Adam Moffett]

For power we've been running a pair of 16ga conductors up.  You can get 
16/2 + shield with a heavy outdoor jacket from multiple vendors.  
Superior Essex sells stuff that's intended for towers.  You can also 
find outdoor speaker wire which is cheaper and has similar specs.  If 
you're running new cables anyway, what's one more?


I've been using pre-terminated fiber up the tower.  Mostly because I 
don't want the tower guy to have to splice.  The tower guys don't 
usually have that in their skill set anyway, and if the cable or 
connector broke I'm just as happy to have them pull up a new 
pre-terminated cable as to try and splice up in the sky.  With the 
pre-terminated cable I had to special request a very short 
breakout.these days I might do the breakout myself.


So far, the radio products we've used didn't have enough length in the 
cable gland to accommodate the length of the LC connectors or the 
breakout.  So the solution has been to remove the cable gland and thread 
in a short (6" or so) length of conduit with a male threaded adapter on 
one end and a female threaded adapter on the other end.  Male adapter 
goes into radio where the cable gland was, original cable gland goes 
into the female adapter.  Then you have enough space for fiber 
connectors and a short breakout.  The only catch was some radios (Telrad 
for one) had metric threads on the cable gland, so we had to get a 
metric to NPT adapter in order to use locally available conduit parts.  
For cable lengths we were getting 100' and 200' and we have spares of 
each.  We end up with lots of slack, but I don't see that as a bad 
thing.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/15/2017 12:26:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs


Well, you need to convey 105/48=2.187 amps.

24 gauge is 2.5 ohms per 100 feet.  If you used 4 wires for one 
polarity and 4 wires for the other polarity, you would have .625 ohms 
per polarity or 1.25 ohms per loop/100 ft.


So 1.25 * 1.2 = 1.5 ohms for the 120 foot loop.

1.5 * 2.187 = 3.28 volt drop.  And since you will really be running it 
of of 54 volts if a battery is involved, you have even less current and 
more voltage overhead.  If the equipment will run at 44 volts you are 
golden.  I think you are golden.


Yes, it is pretty sure to work.  If not, use all the conductors on one 
cable for one polarity and all the conductors of the other cable for 
the other polarity.




From:Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:52 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the 
components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single 
fiber.


Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 
if im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at 
the top for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.


The two big questions are

Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just 
cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.


If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out 
so is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?


Neither of these are more than 120 feet

Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is 
in the air (these are grain elevators though)


Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about 
105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?


Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges

Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

[Josh Luthman]

We moved to all Shireen stuff, the EZ connectors make it more accurate and
faster.  It's a couple bucks more but well worth it considering time is
expensive.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Have you seen Jaime's work ?
>
> While using factory terminated patch cables, saves times.. but it is not
> easy to have the meticulous, neat and organized cable runs, cause each one
> has to be sized accordingly.
>
> :)
>
> To each their own !
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:24:48 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work
>
> other than experiencing some really questionable gigabit connectivity
> issues and maddening issues with packetflux sync, on POPs i only see rj45
> ends valuabled in top end cross connects and radio terminations, everything
> else should be punched down to cat5/6 inserts and factory terminated patch
> cables
> why touch your cabling infrastructure?
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> the biggest cause of failure is not maintaining the blades on ez
>> crimpers. Fresh blades and the ends have zero non ID10T errors (if using
>> the real connectors and not knock offs)
>> moisture --- if you have a drop of water in the connector, its not the
>> connector thats the issue
>> the brown is normally the first indicator, it catches doesnt fully
>> cleave, instinct is to pull it off --- you just uncrimped that pin
>> the next thing is they start beveling --- now moisture can be an issue,
>> but more than likely that scorch, its cause you took a small surge that
>> arced or you are directly shorting (the copper likes to hide behind the
>> remaining insulation
>>
>> maintain your blades, they chew through blades fast
>>
>> dont use cable thats too snug on the insulation, it can roll the crimp,
>> but the garbage cable is probably going to be a problem anyway
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Not having issue with moisture...the cable slide guides on some allow
>>> cables to be pinched enough to fail even though pin out is correct.   For
>>> now I am going to attribute to my bad Hombre crimperI like Klein so I
>>> will buy one this week.  Thanks for heads up
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2017 4:34 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Jaime,

 We have been using Platinum tools crimper for their ez-45 jacks. (last
 10 years or so ? )
 Not sure which Klein model you are looking at, I would not be surprised
 if the Klein is an oem by Platinum Tools.

 In regards to comments about moisture and shorting ... cannot say we
 have seen that as a functional/design defect of using ez-rj45 connectors.

 Most moisture & water intrusions are due to other issues..
 (p.s. there is a valid reason why Mimosa includes a small tube of
 'superlube' with their radios... it works surprising well in keeping the
 moisture out of the connector, we have started using it more 'religiously'
 )

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 http://www.snappytelecom.net

 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
 *To: *"Animal Farm" 
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:19:09 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

 Yep...I agree

 Jaime Solorza

 On Dec 13, 2017 11:15 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Oh. Those "easy-RJ45" things? I hate those.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/13/2017 9:08 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> The guys I work with use nothing but pass through RJ-45 connectors so
> I am looking at Klein one.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 13, 2017 10:05 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> Passthrough RJ45? Or other style connectors?  Only the RJ45 is done
>> from the end. The other dies go in from the side (as is typical).
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/2017 9:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> does it work with pass through connectors?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390 <%28915%29%20861-1390>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Paladin that has replaceable dies. It's a little different
>>> in that you insert the RJ45 from the end instead of the side. I have 
>>> dies
>>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[chuck]

Well, you need to convey 105/48=2.187 amps.  

24 gauge is 2.5 ohms per 100 feet.  If you used 4 wires for one polarity and 4 
wires for the other polarity, you would have .625 ohms per polarity or 1.25 
ohms per loop/100 ft.

So 1.25 * 1.2 = 1.5 ohms for the 120 foot loop.

1.5 * 2.187 = 3.28 volt drop.  And since you will really be running it of of 54 
volts if a battery is involved, you have even less current and more voltage 
overhead.  If the equipment will run at 44 volts you are golden.  I think you 
are golden.  

Yes, it is pretty sure to work.  If not, use all the conductors on one cable 
for one polarity and all the conductors of the other cable for the other 
polarity.  



From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the components. It 
appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber. 

Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 if im 
understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the top for 
these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.

The two big questions are

Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just cut the 
jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.

If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out so is 
just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?

Neither of these are more than 120 feet

Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is in the 
air (these are grain elevators though)

Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about 105 
watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?

Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges

[AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Steve Jones]

We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the components.
It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber.

Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 if im
understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the top for
these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.

The two big questions are

Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just cut
the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.

If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out so is
just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?

Neither of these are more than 120 feet

Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is in
the air (these are grain elevators though)

Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about 105
watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?

Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho

[Steve Jones]

 tamales

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Mi casa es su casa!  Good food and Tecate.   I am hoping my wife will be
> in mood to make tamales.  I owe Steve some.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 15, 2017 8:38 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm happy that my impending visit excites you.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 12/15/2017 10:37:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho
>>
>> Awesome
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017 8:04 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m comin down yer chimney
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Josh Baird]

I like this as well.  I was thinking it would be a good idea to put out a
statement..

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Yep, that is concise and effective
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment
>
>
>
> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!
>
>
>
> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality
>
>
>
> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and
> individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes
>  innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s
>  17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple,
> unlimited and without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net
> Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We
> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to
> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs.
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho

[Jaime Solorza]

Mi casa es su casa!  Good food and Tecate.   I am hoping my wife will be in
mood to make tamales.  I owe Steve some.

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 8:38 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I'm happy that my impending visit excites you.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 12/15/2017 10:37:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho
>
> Awesome
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 15, 2017 8:04 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I’m comin down yer chimney
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Jaime Solorza]

Mafia style, forget about it!
Jamaica style, no big if man!
Chicano style, no piri ese!

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 8:45 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Yep, that is concise and effective
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Our NN statment
>
>
>
> What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!
>
>
>
> Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality
>
>
>
> AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and
> individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes
>  innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s
>  17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple,
> unlimited and without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net
> Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We
> maintain our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to
> our customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs.
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Paul McCall]

Yep, that is concise and effective

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment

What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!

Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality

AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and 
individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes  
innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet's  17 
years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple, unlimited and 
without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net Neutrality rules have 
not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We maintain our commitment to 
provide the fastest and most reliable service to our customers, with innovative 
solutions that fulfill our customers needs.



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho

[Adam Moffett]

I'm happy that my impending visit excites you.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 12/15/2017 10:37:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho


Awesome

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 8:04 AM,  wrote:

I’m comin down yer chimney




Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ho ho ho

[Jaime Solorza]

Awesome

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 8:04 AM,  wrote:

> I’m comin down yer chimney
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: potcoin

[Carl Peterson]

Seems like a great idea but where does the money go?  It doesn't appear to
be fiat backed like tether is supposed to be.  Is it just a fiat
blockchain?  Speaking of which, whoever decided to call them "coins" was a
marketing genius.  Seems intuitive now but if you think about what it
really is, it is about as far from a coin as you can get.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Most banks won't deal with people in the "Business" so crypto currencies
> are becoming the default currency (money laundering facility) for people
> dealing drugs, legal or not. Guess someone just decided to stop hiding.
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> as long as we are inserting digital OT currencies to bother the OT
>> haters, I just came across this
>> http://www.potcoin.com/
>> Since bitcoin hasnt allowed me to play, Im guessing I should invest in
>> some prison time
>> no, really though, WTH is this all about?
>>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT: potcoin

[Cameron Crum]

Most banks won't deal with people in the "Business" so crypto currencies
are becoming the default currency (money laundering facility) for people
dealing drugs, legal or not. Guess someone just decided to stop hiding.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> as long as we are inserting digital OT currencies to bother the OT haters,
> I just came across this
> http://www.potcoin.com/
> Since bitcoin hasnt allowed me to play, Im guessing I should invest in
> some prison time
> no, really though, WTH is this all about?
>

[AFMUG] Our NN statment

[Gino A. Villarini]

What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!

Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality

AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to Business and 
individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken  that promotes  
innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In Aeronet’s  17 
years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple, unlimited and 
without any toll gates.  The placement and removal of Net Neutrality rules have 
not and will not modify our pricing policy.  We maintain our commitment to 
provide the fastest and most reliable service to our customers, with innovative 
solutions that fulfill our customers needs.



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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