Re: [AFMUG] Charter installation liabilities
Jay, can you expand on how this FISPA Charter reseller arrangement works and what it lets you sell? Chris Fabein LakeNet LLC On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Jay Weekley via Af wrote: > One of our Charter business accounts that we resell through our FISPA > partnership called to say that the piece of their awning that Charter > mounted to is pulling off and is in danger of falling to their sidewalk. I > inspected the problem and can't tell if it's related to the installation or > if that piece of the awning was about to come off anyway and Charter's > cable was just there. My question is, as a reseller, do we hold some > liability for Charter workmanship since we actually bill them as a Cyber > Broadband customer. >
Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines
We are moving toward strongly suggesting customers not use the house wiring. Seen way too many issues with poor house wiring causing problems or with damaged ATAs after lightning strikes. Our experience, many houses have hacked up phone wiring that somehow works OK for landline service but the ATAs don't tolerate it. Makes for a difficult conversation explaining to customer who wired up their house with radioshack phone cords and splitters, laying on ground in the wet crawlspace, why their new VOIP service isn't reliable. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jeremy via Af wrote: > I install every VoIP customer for no additional charge. I know the port > date before it happens so I always schedule the install for that day, and > let them know when we begin the process that they may be without for a few > hours on the day that the porting completes. Most VoIP installs are > simple, like two minutes. Occasionally we run into the nightmare > installs. I ask them and if they just use one expandable cordless set I > don't touch the wiring. Otherwise we do the whole home install. I'd say > the majority are whole home installs. We try to make sure that we bring > the wire into the hub whenever possible, or near a phone jack. That way if > they decide that they want VoIP down the road it is an easy install. I > always consider the potential VoIP install when doing the wireless install. > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > >> I will only rely on the customer to install the ATA if they are going to >> plug a cordless base into it, no house wiring. Otherwise, they will forget >> to disconnect the POTS line at the NID. >> >> Most people have a cordless phone system, but they may also have an old >> princess phone somewhere in the house, first try to convince them to ditch >> the corded phones and not use the house wiring. Failing that, have your >> installer tell them the router and ATA have to go near a phone jack. >> >> If they insist on putting the ATA in a room with no phone jack and still >> using the house wiring to reach corded phones, the professional way is >> probably to install a surface mount jack and wire it like a phone guy >> would, and charge them labor & materials. >> >> If they have an old 900/2.4/5.8 cordless phone, you probably want them to >> replace it with a new DECT system anyway, you can get systems with a whole >> bunch of cordless handsets for not much money. >> >> Perhaps people can be convinced by comparing to WiFi. It used to be >> people would run Ethernet to every room to plug in their computers, no one >> does this anymore, they want all their devices to be portable and use >> WiFi. Same with phones, if you pick up the phone, you want to be able to >> move to another room or even outside and take the phone with you. >> >> If they really cannot go cordless or have the Internet installed to a >> room with a phone jack, then charge them for installing a phone jack. It >> does mean a few more parts an installer needs to carry. If you don't want >> to carry RJ11 keystone jacks and surface mount boxes, there are cheap boxes >> with screw terminals or I like the ones with 110 punchdown terminals. And >> you definitely need red and yellow Scotchloks, those are what kill me, no >> matter how many I buy, I can't find where I put them, so I end up buying >> more. I must have thousands of Scothloks squirreled away by now, I think >> they go to the land of missing socks. >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:28 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines >> >> >> I'm interested in how people are doing physical Residential VoIP >> Installs. Do you just provide the ATA and let the customer figure it >> out, or do you physically hook it into the house wiring for them? We're >> doing more and more, and it seems like it takes almost as much time to >> do the Wireless install as it does to install the ATA. By the time you >> track down the house wires, disconnect them from the PSTN, run a wire >> from the ATA to where you can tie into the house wiring (not always >> close by), and then wire the ATA in. The one's we're converting all >> seem to have several corded phones they still want to use. >> >> Also, how do you cover the crossover time between installation and >> Number port. Business customer are one thing, I have them setup the >> call forwarding feature at the ILEC, and forward calls to a temporary >> DID until the port happens. But trying to get an older person to call >> the ILEC and understand what they need to ask for (and not get sucked >> into a new contract) is much more difficult. >> >> I'm not sure how Vonage does it, do they walk people through tracing >> down cables over the phone? Or once the number port happens, they >> presume the ILEC port is dead, so then they just have the customer plug >> it in to any wall jack? >> >> Nate >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines
We do the installs same day, and explain to customer whatever will be required to hook up their phones to the new service on number port day. Like Ken, most are sold as a bundle, few add later. We don't have much "convincing" to do usually, but if they start asking a lot of questions about reliability/quality we steer them away from the voip service. Unlicensed Wireless + VOIP is not the same as a landline, if that's the customer's expectation it's probably not a good match. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote: > Do you schedule both the Wireless and ATA install on the same day, or > are they 2 installs? If they are the same day, how do you convince the > customer of switching their Phone over when they don't even have the > service yet. Don't they question your reliability since their sisters > daughters ex-boyfriends cousin had wireless once, and it dropped out this > one time so it's not reliable? > > On 9/27/2014 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > > I forgot to address the due date issue. Like Jeremy, I try to schedule > the install on the porting due date. We don’t get an exact time, but ports > usually take effect around 8-9 am, rarely will it not be complete if you > schedule a late morning or an afternoon install. > > Also note that many residential people use their landlines mostly to call > out, other people call them on their cellphones because they don’t know if > they will be home or not. Couple that with the fact that you can call out > on the VoIP line and have the caller ID show the right number even before > it ports, it’s the incoming calls that won’t get routed to the VoIP line > until the number ports. So if you can’t schedule the install the same day, > many people will be OK if you install it the day before. > > If they are going to use exclusively a cordless phone, most people can > handle unplugging it from the wall and plugging it into the ATA on the > morning of the porting due date. > > > *From:* Chris Fabien via Af > *Sent:* Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:44 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines > > We are moving toward strongly suggesting customers not use the house > wiring. Seen way too many issues with poor house wiring causing problems or > with damaged ATAs after lightning strikes. > > Our experience, many houses have hacked up phone wiring that somehow works > OK for landline service but the ATAs don't tolerate it. Makes for a > difficult conversation explaining to customer who wired up their house with > radioshack phone cords and splitters, laying on ground in the wet > crawlspace, why their new VOIP service isn't reliable. > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jeremy via Af wrote: > >> I install every VoIP customer for no additional charge. I know the port >> date before it happens so I always schedule the install for that day, and >> let them know when we begin the process that they may be without for a few >> hours on the day that the porting completes. Most VoIP installs are >> simple, like two minutes. Occasionally we run into the nightmare >> installs. I ask them and if they just use one expandable cordless set I >> don't touch the wiring. Otherwise we do the whole home install. I'd say >> the majority are whole home installs. We try to make sure that we bring >> the wire into the hub whenever possible, or near a phone jack. That way if >> they decide that they want VoIP down the road it is an easy install. I >> always consider the potential VoIP install when doing the wireless install. >> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >> >>> I will only rely on the customer to install the ATA if they are going to >>> plug a cordless base into it, no house wiring. Otherwise, they will forget >>> to disconnect the POTS line at the NID. >>> >>> Most people have a cordless phone system, but they may also have an old >>> princess phone somewhere in the house, first try to convince them to ditch >>> the corded phones and not use the house wiring. Failing that, have your >>> installer tell them the router and ATA have to go near a phone jack. >>> >>> If they insist on putting the ATA in a room with no phone jack and still >>> using the house wiring to reach corded phones, the professional way is >>> probably to install a surface mount jack and wire it like a phone guy >>> would, and charge them labor & materials. >>> >>> If they have an old 900/2.4/5.8 cordless phone, you probably want them >>> to replace it with a new DECT system any
Re: [AFMUG] DiffServ and the internet
Packet size and rate is pretty consistent right? Just a thought... On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:05 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af < af@afmug.com> wrote: > Speaking of DSCP and carriers zeroing it in the middle, I have some VoIP > Innovations trunks. I know where the SIP messages are coming from, so I can > mangle a DSCP value back onto those packets at ingress. But the RTP traffic > comes from all over the freakin place, tons of different source address, > never the same. I've asked if they could provide a list and pretty much got > a no. > > Anybody have any ideas? Any way for a MT to identify an RTP stream and > then dynamically add a mangle rule to change the DSCP value? My MT > script-fu is not strong. >
Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors
Nice view of town, what are the big lumpy things on the far side of town? Sincerely, Chris from pancake-flat-land. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: > It's currently a dragonwave 18ghz that runs at about 350mbps but we are > installing this week a new dual SAF integra link that'll run at 1gbps ;) > > > > On Monday, September 29, 2014, Josh Baird via Af wrote: > >> That is a lot of AP's. What kind of backhaul? >> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Sean Heskett via Af >> wrote: >> >>> Yeah that tower is one of our busiest >>> >>> We have 23 APs there >>> 6-450s >>> 5-430s >>> 12-fsk >>> >>> Around 700-800 clients :) >>> >>> Plus the views from the top are amazing! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: >>> I am having serious tower envy right now. Your coverage potential is astounding! Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/29/2014 12:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: > i thought y'all might enjoy some pics from one of our towers. > > >>
Re: [AFMUG] WTB Superior Essex 12D fiber cable
I can sell you some short lengths. Email me offlist. On Oct 1, 2014 2:57 PM, "Jeremy via Af" wrote: > I need a couple hundred feet of 12 strand armored fiber. SE 12D or > similar. Everyone else wants to sell me 3300'. Anyone out there willing > to part with a couple hundred feet? I'll get you exact lengths as soon as > I find someone willing to sell me a bit. Thanks. >
Re: [AFMUG] Source for 6 gauge grounding wire and ends
If you need a cheap functional crimper harbor freight has a nice hydraulic crimper set perfect for these type of ends. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:40 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: > Any electrical warehouse should have it. > Greybar,Irby, wholesale elec > > On 10/3/2014 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: > > Wow. I would have never thought to look there. I'll check that out later > today! Thanks!!! > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: > >> Like the one in Tipp City. ;-) >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> -- >> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Friday, October 3, 2014 2:19:37 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Source for 6 gauge grounding wire and ends >> >> >> Menard's like the guy that broke from Lowe's??? With all the groceries >> and such? >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: >> >>> I believe my Menards stocks all the way up to 4 gauge and accessories. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Friday, October 3, 2014 2:12:27 PM >>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Source for 6 gauge grounding wire and ends >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know where I can find this? The hardware store doesn't have >>> anything even close (10 gauge was their largest). I also need the fork or >>> round ends to clamp onto the wire. >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >> >> > > -- >
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" < af@afmug.com> wrote: > Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for > a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think > would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity > of installs. > > It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at > customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides > functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location > speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the > customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows > real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for > themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of > natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, > automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to > instrument this as much as possible. > > If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with > diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not > intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a > Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited > traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. > > Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for > higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I > typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how > many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go > down instead of up. > > Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each > install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding > even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the > price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would > you add such a device to each install? > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] credit checks
Do you really want the customer whose main criteria in selecting a provider is how long will it take to get shut off for non payment? On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: > The trouble is the primary comptetion (Time Warner Cable) does free > installs and then lets you go 90 days before they shut you off. > > I have to try not to be a meaner guy than them. > > meh too much work. > > get payment upfront for as much as possible (install and first month) > bill ahead for the month instead of behind and turn off service quickly for > non-payment. > > credit checks are too expensive and bothersome. > > 2 cents > > -sean > > > > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: > >> My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit >> checks on potential new customers. >> >> While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit >> checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How >> much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up? >> > > >
Re: [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects
You know what's even more fun, when you find some cable with missing or super thin insulation on the inner conductors! Saw that on some primus once luckily it seemed to be a one-time thing. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote: > Been using APEX 9 cable for 3 years with no problems until the last year. > Earlier this year I unrolled some off a spool and the outer jacket was > missing in a spot, CTI sent me a new box and wanted the old one back, today > found another box with a HUGE section of outerjacket missing, obvious > manufacturing defect because the footage marking was printed on the foil > shield! Opened another box from the same pallet and immediately found > another defect on that roll that wasn't even off the spool yet. > > I need to find another brand of cable, I CAN NOT be having these poor > quality control issues showing up on towers which is where this cable was > being installed today > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 >
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
Sterling, we are taking a very similar approach, wireless backhauled FTTH from tower to home, with long term plan to build out a ring for backhaul later. We've worked the costs down to be manageable. What chinese SFP have you had good results with? I tried one set and had issues with having to enable/disable autoneg on one or both sides to get it stable - this was with a RB260 to RB2011 link at a tower site. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: > Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and > set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. > > GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit > that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. > > Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market. > > > > My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works > for hundreds a POP. > > > > A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and > redundant. > > The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course. > > > > That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella > ton of conduit, boxes and fiber strands. > > My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though. > > > > Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID. > > It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and > asset. > > > > Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing. > > > > I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE. > > The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a > cheaper transceiver. > > I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in > the ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT. > > We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI > right now. > > > > I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get > their traditional phone and TV elsewhere. > > Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I > used to have with a WISP. > > > > This fiber stuff is s much better and easier. > > > > Costs more though. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Pond via Af > *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > > > So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So far so good. > > Tomorrow will answer some more. > > Sincerely, > > Jason Pond > Owner > Grizzly Internet, Inc > p...@grizzlyinternet.com > > On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" wrote: > > Anyone there that would like to update? > > I couldn't make it. > > Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways. > > I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber > weekend. > > I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment > strategies as usual? > > I wonder how close they are to what I am doing. > >
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
We decided to use indoor/outdoor drop and run fiber to a 2011 at desktop or in utility area. Avoids poe injector which can be confusing for customer and generate service cslls. On Oct 12, 2014 6:35 PM, "Jason McKemie via Af" wrote: > I put the RB in an outdoor case and run cat5e out to it. Fiber terminates > at the closure. When I was using standard ONTs I ran a separate DC power > wire to the UPS/power supply inside of the house. > > -Jason > > On Sunday, October 12, 2014, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: > >> >> I figured you'd want to enter the house where most other things enter the >> house...the fiber/mtik would be on the outside of the house? >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Jason Pond via Af >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 12, 2014 3:33 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >> >> So Yes you can use POE with the MT units but I would just run fiber as >> far as you can to a power location. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Jason Pond >> >> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af >> wrote: >> >>> >>> stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still >>> needs power. what if the point you enter the house does not have power >>> right there? how do you hook that up? utilize POE in some shape, form, or >>> fashion? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Gino Villarini via Af >>> *To:* >>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>> >>> Still using the firce10 switches? >>> >>> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! >>> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af >>> wrote: >>> >>> Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out >>> easily paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for >>> operations. >>> >>> Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost. >>> >>> It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance. >>> >>>*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via >>> Af >>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>> >>> Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban >>> neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the >>> investment in fiber. >>> >>> Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi >>> if you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be? >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood >>> and set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. >>> >>> GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of >>> conduit that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. >>> >>> Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market. >>> >>> My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it >>> works for hundreds a POP. >>> >>> A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and >>> redundant. >>> >>> The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course. >>> >>> That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice >>> hella ton of conduit, boxes and fiber strands. >>> >>> My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though. >>> >>> Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the >>> NID. >>> >>> It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and >>> asset. >>> >>> Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing. >>> >>> I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full >>> GigE. >>> >>> The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a >>> cheaper transceiver. >>> >>> I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in >>> the ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT. >>> >>> We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is >>> BIDI right now. >>> >>> I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can >>> get their traditional phone and TV elsewhere. >>> >>> Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I >>> used to have with a WISP. >>> >>> This fiber stuff is s much better and easier. >>> >>> Costs more though. >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Pond via >>> Af >>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>> >>> So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So far so good. >>> >>> Tomorrow will answer some more. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Jason Pond >>> Owner >>> Grizzly Internet, Inc >>> p...@grizzlyinternet.com >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone there that would like to update?
Re: [AFMUG] Ditch Witch 410 SX
We use a case maxi sneaker with a 2ft chute blade to do fiber drops. Very nice machine. On Oct 15, 2014 6:53 PM, "Matt via Af" wrote: > With a 410 SX what blade is everyone using to do cat-5 and fiber drops? >
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommentations
Depending on what tools you have to terminate, tight buffer cable might be more convenient to terminate on a tower type application, you can use a mechanical connector right to the fiber without needing a splice tray etc. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: > On a tower I'd do armored, loose buffer tube, dry (no gel). I use single > mode, mainly because my FTTH network is single mode and it simplifies the > supplies I need to keep in stock. > > > On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Timothy D. McNabb via Af > wrote: > >> We’re going to need to deploy a fiber connection from a new collo to >> where we are mounting our equipment on the tower. Picking a specific fiber >> is new to me, I was wondering what you guys recommend using when you need >> to deploy fiber up a tower? Are you using single or multi mode? What do you >> recommend that has worked for you and can withstand an outdoor environment? >> >> >> >> Any information is helpful. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy McNabb >> >> Network Administrator >> >> Velociter Wireless, Inc >> >> (209)838-1221 x107 >> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?
I have seen some device, can't remember what, that was unable to pass traffic to the Gig ports on a RB2011 but worked OK on the 10/100 ports We have several of these in place as CPE routers and no problem reports yet. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af < af@afmug.com> wrote: > Sent a tech to the site and he says... none of the (GigE | FastE) ports > show a link. Power-cycle, fixed. Happened again a couple hours later so we > replaced it. > > The another one, he gets there and says the FastE ports show a link but > there's no traffic. Power-cycle, fixed. That one I don't think we had to > replace. > > Other times, a port or two won't work. Link might come up or not, I don't > remember. I saw this with a brand-new one out of the box. Again, power > cycle = fix. It's really random and stupid. > > Upgraded ROS on a few one time. Couple hours later, two of three crashed. > So now I don't touch them. If one needs to be updated, I load a new one and > just swap it out. > > On 10/17/2014 1:57 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: > > > How did you figure that out? Does it log something about the status of > the switch controller. > > I've had many 2011's appear to crash for no apparent reason. Come to > find out, the switch controllers are what crash from time to time. > Sometimes all of the GigE ports stop working, other times it's the FastE > ports. I'm not a fan of the 2011s at all. > > On 10/17/2014 9:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > > 6.13/3.14 on an RB2011iL. > > Yeah, likely the customers media converters are not Gig capable, they are > pretty old, it was disconcerting not to be able to talk at 100M or even 10M > though. I’m more worried that it doesn’t seem to talk to a CTM-2 on a GigE > port. And who knows what else. > > *From:* Nate Burke via Af > *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:32 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? > > What ROS/Routerboard version? Does the customers Media converter > auto-negotiate, or does it only work at 1 speed? It's been a while since > I've used them, but the 1G converters I had were only 1000base on the > Ethernet port, no auto. > > > On 10/17/2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > > Yes, in this case the MT interface reported successfully negotiating 100 > Full, but never counted any rcv packets. > > *From:* Adam Moffett via Af > *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:23 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports? > > > Wellautonegotiation failures happen sometimes, but typically those > work ok when you force the speed on the link. In the case I'm thinking of, > we could not get a working link no matter what. It was quite awhile ago > now, but I think it would report a link was up while the input counters > never climbed above 0. > > We have a couple devices that don't work with Mikrotik devices at all. > Putting a switch in between fixes it > but not ideal. > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett via Af > wrote: > >> Yes...maybe. We had somebody not able to get link with an RB2011. I >> don't think we ever tried the 10/100 ports. The customer ended up getting >> a different router. >> >> >> Is there an issue with the GigE ports on Mikrotik RB2011 not talking to >>> some >>> devices no matter what settings you try? I had this with a customer's >>> copper/fiber media converter, moved it to a 10/100 port on the 2011 and >>> all >>> was good. Now I think I'm seeing the same thing with a CTM. Setting the >>> GigE port to only negotiate 100M didn't work, no amount of playing with >>> the >>> settings worked, had to physically move it to a 10/100 port. >>> >>> If this is a known problem and not my imagination, what other Mikrotik >>> devices share this issue? If this had been an 1100 or CCR or CSR, I >>> might >>> not have had a 10/100 port available and I would have been stuck. >>> >>> >> > > > > > > >
[AFMUG] Need control/scada radio
I have an application where I need to replace a cable that carries five 12v digital control signals and one analog voltage with a wireless link. Only about 100ft. Portable equipment so needs to tolerate unpredictable rf conditions. Price is important too. Suggestions?
Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Rohn 65, 55 or similar towers
We have bought lots of used tower from ham radio guys, they dont usually go above 45g though but you might find something. On Oct 24, 2014 10:56 PM, "Paul McCall via Af" wrote: > I have a need to build 4 80 ft. and 2 60 ft. un-guyed towers on the > cheap . > > > > I was thinking of some used 65G tower pieces that I can easily do 80 feet > unguyed. Not seeing much out there that is reasonable. I emailed several > companies that I found on google but no one seemed to have stock (on the > ground) of used pieces. > > > > Anybody know of some good sources for this? > > > > Paul McCall, Pres. > > PDMNet / Florida Broadband > > 658 Old Dixie Highway > > Vero Beach, FL 32962 > > 772-564-6800 office > > 772-473-0352 cell > > www.pdmnet.com > > pa...@pdmnet.net > > >
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
I've been very happy the the CREE bulbs for table and desk lamps. We also got six of the flood bulbs for recessed cans in the living room, can't remember the brand. They have great color and a ton of light. However one has failed already after about a year, appears to be due to overheating (discolored plastic). It is under warranty but I would be careful using any of these in enclosed fixtures and save your reciept. On Nov 2, 2014 4:36 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" wrote: > We've been slowly replacing bulbs all over the house with LEDs. We have > the "globe" style of bulbs in a couple of the bathrooms. The LED versions > are much nicer; better colors, instant on, and they should last the rest of > my life. > > We also recently replaced a couple of recessed florescent fixtures in the > kitchen with six recessed (can-type) LED lights. The flourescents always > gave the kitchen a kind of "green" tinge, and the combined power > consumption was ~~ 160 watts. With the LEDs the color is more "human", the > combined power consumption is ~~ 54 watts (6 * 9 watts), total light output > seems to be twice what we had before, they come on "right now", AND we can > now dim the lights for even lower power consumption. > > We've replaced the florescent lights (in the kitchen) at least twice in > the years we've lived here, and I expect the LEDs will go the duration. > > Our outdoor lights are also slowly switching over. Way less power. > > bp > > On 11/2/2014 1:00 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: > >> Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? >> >> Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at >> $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. >> >> ___ >> Mangled by my iPhone. >> ___ >> >> Tyler Treat >> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. >> >> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com >> ___ >> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
The flood that failed on me was an "ecosmart" brand from Home Depot, FYI. I was just there today, and they had some on sale for under $5 a bulb. They also had some new "100W equivalent" ones that would probably be great for a garage, shop or someplace else that needs a lot of light and maybe isn't heated, which was always a problem for CFLs. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: > Thanks for the insight, fellas! > ___ > Mangled by my iPhone. > ___ > > Tyler Treat > Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. > > tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com > ___ > > > > On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: > > > > I built LEDs into the ceiling of my family room when the house was built > 5 years ago. Ceiling is up about 25 feet, never wanted to have to get up > there. It will take scaffolding if it ever becomes necessary. Have > changed out almost all the rest too as the CFLs have died. > > > > I have 10 kW of grid tie solar as well. Free air conditioning is nice > indeed. > > Good luck with phillips flood style LEDs and CREE bulb types. Most of > them are dimmable now, that was the case for the earlier units. > > > > Home depot has very nice prices. Some 60 watt equivalent for about > $7.50. I actually had to pay a bit more to get 40 watt equivalent for the > sconce lighting in my theater room. The first ones were too bright, even > with the dimmer all the way down. > > > > Yes, by all means use LEDs. > > > > -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:00 PM > > To: Animal Farm > > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home > > > > Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? > > > > Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at > $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. > > > > ___ > > Mangled by my iPhone. > > ___ > > > > Tyler Treat > > Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. > > > > tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com > > ___ > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Random Oberservation
Because it's designed to. Having worked on software for an auto electronics supplier (electric assist steering) start-up time was a defined specification we had to meet, as I recall it was well under a second from ignition on to fully functional. The CPUs used in vehicles and the operating system we used was designed for the application so it was no problem to meed <1 second startup time. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: > How come my Nissan Leaf boots up faster than any computer I’ve ever had? > That thing is ready to drive in like 5 seconds and it has multiple > computers. > > > > Rory Conaway > Triad Wireless > 4226 S. 37th Street > Phoenix, Az. 85040 > 602-426-0542 > r...@triadwireless.net > www.triadwireless.net > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Selling reflector dishes...
Ill take about 20 of the nanobridge dishes. Email me offlist ch...@lakenetmi.com. On Nov 7, 2014 6:48 PM, "Dave White via Af" wrote: > Doesn't anybody want any of these dishes?? I'll send them to you for > the cost of shipping. Otherwise they go next door to the Recyclers. > > Dave White > MIC T/S > 406.443.3347 > > > > > On 10/24/2014 4:26 PM, Dave White via Af wrote: > > We are dumping all of the reflectors that we no longer use. If you can > use any of these, please make an offer. All are serviceable. None are new. > Pictures on request. Shipping is on you. > > 38 each Equinox WARM-14R ($45 each new) > 16 each WBH-RCL-3 ($93 each new) > 8 each WB-27RD ($54 each new) > 9 each Air Grid Mesh 27dBi, DISH ONLY, NO RADIOS > 45 each NanoBridge 5G25 25dBi, DISH ONLY, NO RADIOS > > -- > Dave White > Montana Internet Corp > T/S Supervisor406.443.3347 > > >
[AFMUG] Web Pages Loading Incomplete
We have a customer who has a managed IP phone system and a managed mikrotik router that we support (but not our Internet service). We are getting intermittent reports of web pages not loading completely. I was on site a couple weeks ago, and was able to duplicate the issue, in particular outlook.com was not loading some images. I determined at that time they were unable to access the IP that google DNS was providing for the host serving those images. When I set our router to use their provider's DNS servers, they were getting a different IP which was pingable and the web page loaded completely. I could not explain why it was working on their providers DNS and not on google DNS (which we use frequently). But we left it on their providers DNS. Today they are reporting a similar issue, supposedly affecting "most websites not loading completely." They feel our router is to blame, "used to work fine before" etc. It's a mikrotik doing NAT to a single public IP, with a few port forwards for remote access to the phone system. Nothing crazy. I do have the office computers running through the port on the grandstream IP phones, but not on a separate VLAN so the phone just acts like a switch. Their provider is not responsive to the issue, other offices in the building using that provider are not having trouble. Any suggestions or thoughts?
Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk
Check the security settings Internal/Local/International on all of the devices and trunks and make sure they match? On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: > Anybody here have any tricks for getting a UCM6104 to use the damn > analog trunk? > > The trunk is configured, no password on it (have tried with and without). > Basic > call routes have been configured including a catch-all, but whatever I do > no phone will actually use the analog trunk(s). > > Any pointers? > > -- > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com > >
