Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

According to radio mobile I'm about 7 miles but I say 8 to be safe
On Feb 23, 2016 5:33 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> According to the spec sheet, you'll need a signal -65 to get MCS15, I
> don't see per modulation tx power specs, so I'm going to assume it's
> somewhere around 20dBm for MCS15 - going with those numbers, you should get
> somewhere around -60 at 8 miles... that's about as far as I'd push it.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah - 40 miles appears to be the max for ePMP. Realistically, it
>> *should* be possible to get full modulation at 8 miles with Force 200's,
>> but at 20 miles, you're going to want bigger dishes.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> As a non smart-ass answer, there are probably some timing constraints
>>> that will limit the distance before the RF will, assuming LOS.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:47 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>>
>>> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

Thanks for the info Mathew ... I don't like more than 10 miles. But was
curious at 20
On Feb 23, 2016 5:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> Yeah - 40 miles appears to be the max for ePMP. Realistically, it *should*
> be possible to get full modulation at 8 miles with Force 200's, but at 20
> miles, you're going to want bigger dishes.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> As a non smart-ass answer, there are probably some timing constraints
>> that will limit the distance before the RF will, assuming LOS.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>
>> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>
>>
>> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

So what would be the recommended distance for the force 200 not to have
issues to be reliable ?
On Feb 23, 2016 5:24 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> As a non smart-ass answer, there are probably some timing constraints that
> will limit the distance before the RF will, assuming LOS.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>
> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>
> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>
>
> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

+1
On Feb 23, 2016 4:57 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> Your math confuses me...
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 158 dB using 23 dBi integrated antenna according to the spec sheet.
>>
>> 158=20 log D + 20 log 5800
>> 7.9=log D +3.76
>> 4.14=log D
>>
>> 10 to the 4.14 power = 13,804 miles
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>
>>
>> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

I want a 8 mile link first and may attempt a 20 mile later really wanna
push a 100/100 circuit
On Feb 23, 2016 4:51 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> Assuming clear LOS, I don't see why not, but personally I would want to
> use bigger dishes for that long of a link.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Joseph Marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> 20 +miles ?
>> On Feb 23, 2016 4:47 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

20 +miles ?
On Feb 23, 2016 4:47 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>
> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>
>
> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>

[AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

If someone has any info on the STL links. Send me a message off list.

I wanna know everything possible about it
On Feb 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Joseph Marsh"  wrote:

> Josh
>
> He has 6000 watts on the main transmitter
> On Feb 18, 2016 12:22 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> You could be OK.  Definitely not a "will be" especially with unknown
>> power.
>>
>> Also keep in mind you're supposed to lower the power when climbing on the
>> tower.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Joseph Marsh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So if I do shielded cat 5 I should be okay correct?
>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're on a very similar site. We're running 100Mb and GigE links with
>>>> no issues. However, external surge suppressors on the tower near the radios
>>>> did give us errors, so we had to take them out... and pray.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2016 11:38 AM, Joseph Marsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft
>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a
>>>>> privately. Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>>>>>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box
>>>>>> so he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>>>>>> shielded cable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>>>>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with
>>>>>>>> cambium and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet

[Joseph Marsh]

I would ask them for a model of the equipment and research it
On Feb 18, 2016 12:31 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> One of my VMs is supposed to be for some HAMs running a C-Bridge system.
> hoosierdmr.net
>
> They're moving to their own VM from a shared one now. The shared one now
> stays generally between 10 - 15 megs. I don't know how much of that is the
> HAM guys and how much is the other operations of that box. I don't care
> enough to look into it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jerry Head" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 18, 2016 8:04:57 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet
>
> I think a few of the list members out there are HAMs  so I need some
> advice please.
> I support our local HAM group and  have allowed them to place repeaters
> on two of my towers
> at no charge to their group. Now one of their members has asked for
> Internet service at one of the
> sites for HAM use. I have heard something about HAMs using the Internet
> to "talk" so I guess this is
> not unusual.
> For me the kicker is that he is asking for 20x20Mbps service...I
> certainly have the capacity but
> that just seems excessive.
> Opinions anyone?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

Josh

He has 6000 watts on the main transmitter
On Feb 18, 2016 12:22 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> You could be OK.  Definitely not a "will be" especially with unknown power.
>
> Also keep in mind you're supposed to lower the power when climbing on the
> tower.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Joseph Marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> So if I do shielded cat 5 I should be okay correct?
>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
>>> We're on a very similar site. We're running 100Mb and GigE links with no
>>> issues. However, external surge suppressors on the tower near the radios
>>> did give us errors, so we had to take them out... and pray.
>>>
>>> On 2/18/2016 11:38 AM, Joseph Marsh wrote:
>>>
>>> The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft
>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a
>>>> privately. Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>>>>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>>>>
>>>>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box
>>>>> so he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>>>>> shielded cable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>>>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with
>>>>>>> cambium and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

The owner has fiber optic at the main station. The remote tower has a 900
mhz link

Since he is doing a stl via internet. Would it be better to feed him from a
different site for redundant backup he has a generator at the tower
On Feb 18, 2016 12:23 PM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

> Just prioritize the traffic on your network, treat it like VoIP and it
> should be fine.  Ideally licensed backhaul for low latency.
>
> Lots of ways to transmit STL traffic but for audio most likely it should
> already be IP.  You will probably need to hand off a CAT5 cable on each
> side.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Daniel White
> afmu...@gmail.com
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:47 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
> >
> > On 2/18/16 09:43, Joseph Marsh wrote:
> > > So what is the stl boxes. He said he wants to tunnel the radio station
> > > feed to tower by internet and I'm lost on the radio station setup
> >
> >
> > I typically see Barix. But it could be any IP streaming encoder/decoder
> pair.
> >
> > ~Seth
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

So if I do shielded cat 5 I should be okay correct?
On Feb 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> We're on a very similar site. We're running 100Mb and GigE links with no
> issues. However, external surge suppressors on the tower near the radios
> did give us errors, so we had to take them out... and pray.
>
> On 2/18/2016 11:38 AM, Joseph Marsh wrote:
>
> The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft
> On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh" 
> wrote:
>
>> You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a privately.
>> Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>>
>>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>>
>>>
>>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>>
>>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so
>>> he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>>> shielded cable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with
>>>>> cambium and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

So what is the stl boxes. He said he wants to tunnel the radio station feed
to tower by internet and I'm lost on the radio station setup
On Feb 18, 2016 11:37 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Clear channel has three STL links using Airaya radios I sold and installed
> for them years ago. ...
> Pretty reliable.
> On Feb 18, 2016 10:25 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>
>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>
>>
>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>
>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so
>> he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>> shielded cable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium
>>>> and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft
On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh"  wrote:

> You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a privately.
> Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
> On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>
>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>
>>
>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>
>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so
>> he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>> shielded cable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium
>>>> and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a privately.
Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>
> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>
> *From:* Joseph Marsh 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>
>
> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>
> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so
> he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>> shielded cable.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh > > wrote:
>>
>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium
>>> and ubnt. Equipment
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium cnPilot R200 and R201

[Joseph Marsh]

We love them better than netgear
On Feb 18, 2016 11:09 AM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> For those of you using the R200 or R201 routers, do you like their
> performance, range, reliability? Do they work well with cnMaestro?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

He told us but can't  remember off hand

I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so he
can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
> shielded cable.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium
>> and ubnt. Equipment
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium and
ubnt. Equipment

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Copper - Wholesaler or Direct?

[Joseph Marsh]

I sent my guy a email to see if he can help awaiting reply from him
On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> The specific case that brought me to the question is a remote location
> that I cannot yet serve with wireless, they are on Verizon copper, but
> nowhere near DSL service. I'm expecting T1 to be available, and want to ask
> about low end Ethernet pricing as I may be able to use the location for an
> AP site.
>
>
> --
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> What kind of services you want ? I have a guy I use might be able to help
>> On Feb 11, 2016 9:04 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When looking for copper services (T1, or Ethernet), is it preferable to
>>> deal with Verizon directly, or with a wholesale outfit?
>>>
>>> If wholesale, any suggestions for who to call?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Chris
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Copper - Wholesaler or Direct?

[Joseph Marsh]

What kind of services you want ? I have a guy I use might be able to help
On Feb 11, 2016 9:04 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> When looking for copper services (T1, or Ethernet), is it preferable to
> deal with Verizon directly, or with a wholesale outfit?
>
> If wholesale, any suggestions for who to call?
>
> Thanks, Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Joseph Marsh]

6 gauge solid copper  is what we do

-Original Message-
From: "Jay Weekley" 
Sent: ‎12/‎8/‎2015 10:08 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

Distance from what you are grounding to your ground point is often a 
factor.  I've got a chart for NOC grounding but I'm not sure if that is 
applicable to Nate's project.

Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  > wrote:
>
> Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size? 
> I'm guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need
> a smaller ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full
> Cell Array.  Does it have somethign to do with the amount of
> conductive surface area?
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.5ms frame

[Joseph Marsh]

We have it on our sectors 

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: ‎12/‎5/‎2015 9:39 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.5ms frame

It became available with software v2.5 if that's what you're asking.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

wasnt 2.5 frames announced some time ago?


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Like 80% sure I'm right but ya latency is the most important.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 4, 2015 7:47 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

Isn't throughput supposed to be slightly worse with 2.5ms, or am I remembering 
that wrong? There is definitely a big improvement in latency.


Either way, I don't think the difference in throughput is enough to care about, 
I'd rather have the lower latency.



On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

A bit more throughput.  Not worth changing from 5ms to 2.5ms if all you're 
after is throughput.  Any new APs I do 2.5ms instead of 5ms since there's no 
reason to do it "the old way".  You do get better latency - 7.5ms improvement.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

It's a big day for ePMP threads.

If I recall correctly, the 2.5ms frame size was introduced to aid in 
collocation with the PMP100.  Is there any performance impact?  My first 
thought was that a shorter frame would give me lower latency, but it's probably 
not that simple.

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Issue With Helpers

[Joseph Marsh]

I've had one that tried to tell us how to install  the radio 

-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
Sent: ‎11/‎17/‎2015 4:17 PM
To: "af" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Issue With Helpers

Yeah, but what if they're already on the roof? I think pushing them off would 
be frowned upon.



On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

I'll stop them...tell them my insurance won't allow it.  It might even be true.


On 11/17/2015 4:44 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I've had it happen... they usually don't even bother to ask, they just come up 
while your back is turned and start annoying you.



On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Never heard of a customer going up the ladder...that's so weird...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

I often told customers that they were prohibited from using my ladder as it was 
a liability concern.  I welcomed them to put up their own ladder if they wanted 
to follow on the roof.  Typically at least kept them on the ground.  Never had 
anyone challenge me on it.
 
Thank you,
 
Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: Twitter
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Issue With Helpers
 
If they're the type to follow you around, that's very likely to backfire :P
 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
Start debating creationism with them.
 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
Some of them will just follow you around no matter what you do... not a lot you 
can do other than just deal with it.
 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
hand the customer paperwork or documents to sign or a welcome pamphlet etc.
 
 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Ryan  wrote:
Hey everyone,
 
This past couple of weeks a couple of our installers have been having issues 
with installing equipment at a customer’s location (not because it didn’t work, 
but because the customer is following them absolutely everywhere they go) and 
it is adding a lot of time/frustration to their jobs. Has anyone else on here 
come up with a nice way to deal with these kind of situations? They don’t come 
up all of the time but when they do it is very frustrating.
 
Thanks,
 
Ryan
Fourway.net
 
 
 
 




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Re: [AFMUG] 5 Wifi Extenders

[Joseph Marsh]

How big is this house ? I honestly hate the extenders  

-Original Message-
From: "Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc" 
Sent: ‎11/‎17/‎2015 4:42 PM
To: "memb...@wispa.org" ; "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5 Wifi Extenders

Any of you ever come across a house with this many extenders.  Sounds like 
trouble lurking to me.
 
Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 
 

What can ICI do for you? 

Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP 
Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. 
  
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[AFMUG] Application for service forms

[Joseph Marsh]

Does anyone have any application for service that they could share 

I'm redoing our paperwork and need some ideas 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

[Joseph Marsh]

Will be later tomorrow it's 30 miles away in a restaurant  in a travel center 

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 7:03 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

Screenshot?


I did mine on 2.4.  Called it like second-SSID.  Seems just fine to me.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

Tring to add additional  wlans but will not let me add  additional wlans says 
invalid I'd

I upgraded it to use cn maestro as well 


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid


I just did it on mine, doesn't seem to be a problem.  What are you doing 
exactly that doesn't work?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

I think it the same  


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid


Which model?  I just got my r201.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 11, 2015 3:57 PM, "Joseph Marsh"  wrote:

Is anyone using this hotspot  yet ? 

We can't get no more than one said to work

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

[Joseph Marsh]

Tring to add additional  wlans but will not let me add  additional wlans says 
invalid I'd

I upgraded it to use cn maestro as well 

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:58 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

I just did it on mine, doesn't seem to be a problem.  What are you doing 
exactly that doesn't work?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

I think it the same  


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid


Which model?  I just got my r201.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 11, 2015 3:57 PM, "Joseph Marsh"  wrote:

Is anyone using this hotspot  yet ? 

We can't get no more than one said to work

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

[Joseph Marsh]

I think it the same  

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

Which model?  I just got my r201.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 11, 2015 3:57 PM, "Joseph Marsh"  wrote:

Is anyone using this hotspot  yet ? 

We can't get no more than one said to work

[AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

[Joseph Marsh]

Is anyone using this hotspot  yet ? 

We can't get no more than one said to work

Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

[Joseph Marsh]

I got the script  but I don't know how to program the Cisco 

-Original Message-
From: "Eric Rogers" 
Sent: ‎9/‎23/‎2015 4:50 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

When I had AT&T, they were very good.  During the turn-up, he sent me a sample 
configuration of a Cisco switch.   I applied the config to their port, and 
viola, it worked.
 
Eric Rogers


 
www.pdsconnect.me
(317) 831-3000 x200
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router
 
You're probably going to need to be more specific...

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015, Joseph Marsh  wrote:
Does anyone know how to program a Cisco 1921 for att fiber 

Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

[Joseph Marsh]

I got a router I need help in uploading a script in for att mis fiber 

-Original Message-
From: "Jason McKemie" 
Sent: ‎9/‎23/‎2015 2:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

You're probably going to need to be more specific...

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

Does anyone know how to program a Cisco 1921 for att fiber 

[AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

[Joseph Marsh]

Does anyone know how to program a Cisco 1921 for att fiber 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

We are going up at 100 ft its a relay tower for Alabama public tv 

-Original Message-
From: "Lewis Bergman" 
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 10:08 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

Depends. Maybe if he needs to be at 500 feet it isn't worth $1k.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015, 10:05 AM Jeremy  wrote:

Well that seems like a deal not even worth questioning isn't it?  Am I missing 
something here?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

Per foot of height is what I was presuming he meant.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

2.50 a foot  per antenna  per month 


From: Jeremy
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 9:50 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


$2.00 a foot?  Is this per day?  Crown Castle is $100 per foot of dish and $75 
per sector, per month.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can feed 
from our existing network 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't 
completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

2-force 110 dishes 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell







-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

Towercomm is the same way I done same hight as the tv tower its equals the same 
 

I thought it was a good deal but wanted another persons opinion

-Original Message-
From: "Jeremy" 
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 10:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

Well that seems like a deal not even worth questioning isn't it?  Am I missing 
something here?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

Per foot of height is what I was presuming he meant.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

2.50 a foot  per antenna  per month 


From: Jeremy
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 9:50 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


$2.00 a foot?  Is this per day?  Crown Castle is $100 per foot of dish and $75 
per sector, per month.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can feed 
from our existing network 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't 
completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

2-force 110 dishes 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell







-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

2.50 a foot  per antenna  per month 

-Original Message-
From: "Jeremy" 
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 9:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

$2.00 a foot?  Is this per day?  Crown Castle is $100 per foot of dish and $75 
per sector, per month.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can feed 
from our existing network 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't 
completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

2-force 110 dishes 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can feed 
from our existing network 

-Original Message-
From: "Lewis Bergman" 
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't 
completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

2-force 110 dishes 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

2-force 110 dishes 

-Original Message-
From: "Lewis Bergman" 
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

[AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting - 3rd party monitoriing services

[Joseph Marsh]

Asentria does tower light monitoring and a ton of other stuff 

-Original Message-
From: "Paul McCall" 
Sent: ‎8/‎27/‎2015 8:09 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lighting - 3rd party monitoriing services

We have one tower we own (320ft.) .  When we acquired the tower, they were 
using a company Flash Technology in Franklin Tennessee to monitor the lighting 
system.  We just kept using them.  The technology is “only” about 10 to 12 
years old that is in use there, but the control boards can get quite expensive 
and we’ve had to replace various boards, parts at the bottom, which adds up. 
Flash Technology supports the equipment as well.
 
So… 2 questions.
 
What are people using for a 3rd party monitoring company for tower lighting?  
Anybody doing it themselves?  I think it has to report to the FAA within a 
couple hours of any lighting outage, then report once the lighting is normal 
again.
 
Paul
 
 
 
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net
 

[AFMUG] Platypus question

[Joseph Marsh]

Does anyone use playpus ? Likes or dislikes 

Needing info whether to use them or not

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

[Joseph Marsh]

We have all ubnt on current network our new network is going all epmp  2.4 
sucks here  

-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 3:29 PM
To: "af" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

I agree with Josh... if I  was building a new network at this point the only 
ubnt stuff I'd use is airfiber. 
On Aug 23, 2015 1:02 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network.  I'd have 
just ePMP.  The only downside at this point in time is the lack of a good 2.4 
CPE (Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't quite shipping.  
Nowadays, though, I don't know if I'm going to be doing a whole lot of 2.4 
anything...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

Darin,

We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far 


From: Darin Steffl
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback


Hello guys,


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums.


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.


Any feedback would be great. Thanks






-- 

Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

[Joseph Marsh]

Darin,

We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far 

-Original Message-
From: "Darin Steffl" 
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" ; "memb...@wispa.org" ; 
"Principal WISPA Member List" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Hello guys,


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums.


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.


Any feedback would be great. Thanks






-- 

Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

[Joseph Marsh]

Brandon have u had any interference issues on non GPS ?

-Original Message-
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2015 7:12 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

We have 3 links up so far. One has been running several months the others about 
a month. All on non GPS eptp.
 
 
Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 4:56 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?
 
According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31 days right 
now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point. 
I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I haven't 
seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.
 
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's been 
experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for it but 
it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/


 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a couple 
days ago and we have at least one other.
 
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
Anyone at all?

 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

[Joseph Marsh]

We are about to deploy 2 eptp links 

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2015 4:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Anyone at all?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] major (fiber? routing ? ) issues in south - tn, alabama, elsewhere?

[Joseph Marsh]

Att phones back up

-Original Message-
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
Sent: ‎8/‎4/‎2015 3:50 PM
To: "outa...@outages.org" 
Cc: "memb...@wispa.org" ; "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] major (fiber? routing ? ) issues in south - tn, 
alabama,elsewhere?

 
No Verizon OR AT&T Cell service in parts of North Alabama (Cullman, Florence)
Isolated reports coming in from all over North Alabama.
At least one WISP reports an outage in TN - backbone is AT&T
Anonymous report from a friend who works at TVA tells me they have problems 
with all their MPLS connections.
 
Here is one news story linking to it:
 
http://whnt.com/2015/08/04/social-media-users-report-widespread-cell-outages/
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads

[Joseph Marsh]

We are bumping up to 50 meg 

-Original Message-
From: "TJ Trout" 
Sent: ‎7/‎30/‎2015 12:00 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads

20 meg is only a lot in Alabama !
On Jul 30, 2015 7:37 AM, "Joseph Marsh"  wrote:

We are around 20 meg for the last 24 hours 


From: Tushar Patel
Sent: ‎7/‎30/‎2015 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads


We saw significant increase Tuesday night and last night too. I am sure 
throughout the day too. But I only look at the peaks. 


Was asking in the office, are we sure we have all the Ap's doing rate limiting. 


But after I saw the windows 10 release. It made sense.

Tushar



On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:


Slight increase but nothing really noticeable .. it sounds like it has been 
fairly staggered in delivery just based on my own personal PC’s and when they 
popped up with the notice.  The update is quite reasonable in size too which 
helps ….
 
I must say though .. so far, I really like Windows 10 compared to 8.1 J
 
Paul
 
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads
 
Anybody seeing significantly increased bandwidth since yesterday, due to folks 
downloading Windows 10 on release day?
 
Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads

[Joseph Marsh]

We are around 20 meg for the last 24 hours 

-Original Message-
From: "Tushar Patel" 
Sent: ‎7/‎30/‎2015 9:26 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads

We saw significant increase Tuesday night and last night too. I am sure 
throughout the day too. But I only look at the peaks. 


Was asking in the office, are we sure we have all the Ap's doing rate limiting. 


But after I saw the windows 10 release. It made sense.

Tushar



On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:


Slight increase but nothing really noticeable .. it sounds like it has been 
fairly staggered in delivery just based on my own personal PC’s and when they 
popped up with the notice.  The update is quite reasonable in size too which 
helps ….
 
I must say though .. so far, I really like Windows 10 compared to 8.1 J
 
Paul
 
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads
 
Anybody seeing significantly increased bandwidth since yesterday, due to folks 
downloading Windows 10 on release day?
 
Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Re: Cambium Force 200

[joseph marsh]

You did reply to tushar several emails ago
On Jul 23, 2015 11:26 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Am I seeing this correctly? I replied to the email from Tushar but it said
> the sender was Joseph Marsh?
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 200
> Date:   Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:54:11 +
> From:   joseph marsh 
> Reply-To:   af@afmug.com
> To: af@afmug.com
>
>
>
> 2.4
>
> On Jul 23, 2015 11:44 AM, "Tushar Patel"  tpa...@ecpi.com>> wrote:
>
>This is for ePMP 5 GHz?
>
>Tushar
>
>
>On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:18 AM, joseph marsh <mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>  I have some trial dishes
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2015 9:53 AM, "Jay Weekley" > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know when these will be available?  I've heard they
>> work "GREAT" from someone that has actually used some trial units.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 200

[joseph marsh]

I'm playing with mine  Friday afternoon. Never even plugged mine up

They Are still sitting in the office
On Jul 23, 2015 12:10 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> 5 GHz is going to be first for everything for 10+ years I expect.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Is 5ghz coming first with these? A distributor told me the 2.4 was coming
>> pretty soon, but he didn't mention anything about the 5ghz version.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously 5 GHz is coming first but I'm assuming/expecting to see 2.4 as
>>> well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is for ePMP 5 GHz?
>>>>
>>>> Tushar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:18 AM, joseph marsh 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have some trial dishes
>>>> On Jul 23, 2015 9:53 AM, "Jay Weekley" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know when these will be available?  I've heard they work
>>>>> "GREAT" from someone that has actually used some trial units.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 200

[joseph marsh]

2.4
On Jul 23, 2015 11:44 AM, "Tushar Patel"  wrote:

> This is for ePMP 5 GHz?
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:18 AM, joseph marsh  wrote:
>
> I have some trial dishes
> On Jul 23, 2015 9:53 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know when these will be available?  I've heard they work "GREAT"
>> from someone that has actually used some trial units.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 200

[joseph marsh]

I have some trial dishes
On Jul 23, 2015 9:53 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Anyone know when these will be available?  I've heard they work "GREAT"
> from someone that has actually used some trial units.
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[joseph marsh]

We love epmp here we may start doing away with ubnt

We have 20/20 fiber  at one site. And we get full throughput with no issues
On Jul 21, 2015 12:52 PM, "Joshua Heide"  wrote:

> Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
> getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
> they claim?
>
>
>
> Josh Heide
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Velociter Wireless, Inc.
>
> (209)838-1221 x108
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!😄

[joseph marsh]

+1 I'll take one as well
On Jul 2, 2015 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

>  maybe a bikini babe calendar, showing the M-Tow of the month?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!😄
>
>
>
> We want a hard copy too
>
> On Jul 1, 2015 9:57 PM, "Colin Stanners"  wrote:
>
> If you buy enough product Chuck will send you an autographed copy.
>
> On Jul 1, 2015 6:34 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I'd love one!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jul 1, 2015 7:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> We have lots of fun stuff now.
>
> Do you want a hard copy?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 01, 2015 3:55 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!😄
>
>
>
> That tower mount list is waaay too big.  It fills almost 25% of my
> screen...
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *Chuck McCown* 
> Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM
> Subject: Finally done!😄
> To: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
>  *I finally got the catalog done!*
>
> View this email in your browser
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>
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>
>
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>
>
>
> We have added a bunch of new tower mounting product to allow you to mount
> almost anything to any tower or pole.  And I got the web site finally
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> MTC name has been around for a long time and is the underlying IP holder
> for all the products.  Wireless Beehive is no longer connected with us so
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>
>*The new extra large chain mount.*
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!😄

[joseph marsh]

We want a hard copy too
On Jul 1, 2015 9:57 PM, "Colin Stanners"  wrote:

> If you buy enough product Chuck will send you an autographed copy.
> On Jul 1, 2015 6:34 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd love one!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jul 1, 2015 7:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>>   We have lots of fun stuff now.
>>> Do you want a hard copy?
>>>
>>>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 01, 2015 3:55 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!😄
>>>
>>>  That tower mount list is waaay too big.  It fills almost 25% of my
>>> screen...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Chuck McCown 
>>> Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM
>>> Subject: Finally done!😄
>>> To: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  *I finally got the catalog done!*
>>>   View this email in your browser
>>> 
>>>
>>> The quick way to load test a new pole mount!
>>> Finally got the catalog finished. Check out all our new
>>> tower mounts.
>>>   Chuck McCown says Hi!We have added a bunch of new tower mounting
>>> product to allow you to mount almost anything to any tower or pole.  And I
>>> got the web site finally cleaned up too.  WWW.MCCOWNTECH.COM
>>> MTC formerly known as  (WB Manfacturing)
>>>
>>> Please check out the new catalog: http://bit.ly/1eYzD9V
>>> 
>>>
>>> The old WB Manufacturing site is still there, same site actually but the
>>> MTC name has been around for a long time and is the underlying IP holder
>>> for all the products.  Wireless Beehive is no longer connected with us so
>>> we decided to use the company name we started with.
>>>
>>> The new extra large chain mount.
>>>
>>> Put a big dish on a small tower.  Works on sheet metal towers too.
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/

[joseph marsh]

My epmp poe writing on which port is what is dark like the markings have
faded
On Jun 25, 2015 11:43 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> And yet, we have a contingent of subscribers that manage to do it "the
> wrong way" with multiple variations.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/25/2015 9:23 AM, Steve D wrote:
>
>> However, the comment "so easy a caveman could do it" is so absolutely
>> true - you really had to go out of your way to plug it in wrong.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/

[joseph marsh]

I honestly hate the epmp poe and the old ones are so easy a cave man can do
it
On Jun 25, 2015 10:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> blacbox
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the link josh.  They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of
>> $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone.  Also
>> eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution.
>>
>> Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0&_nkw=canopy+power+supply&_sacat=0
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Dear Cambium,

 Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to?

 It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures
 AND our tech support procedures.  The new POE is also very cumbersome and
 prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc.

 Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer
 so that we can still buy them?

 -Sean


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>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

But no direct phone number
On Jun 24, 2015 9:22 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> APCO/Southern Telecom Data Center
> 600 18th Street N
> Birmingham, AL 35203
> United States
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"joseph marsh" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:03:37 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>
> Okay thanks Paul.
>
> I think southern. Telecom owns the building. And. I'm told. I can be live
> in 15 days via cogent
>
> But he said level 3 and att is there too
> On Jun 24, 2015 8:58 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
>> Can’t comment on that particular data center – but most of them will
>> charge significant premiums for “roof top access”.  A data center near me
>> (carrier hotel) charges $2000/month for “basic access” plus monthly conduit
>> fees and construction charges to install the conduit.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve heard of some data centers that don’t charge much at all as happy to
>> get the business.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:41 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>>
>>
>>
>> I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
>> attaching a ptp radio in top of building to. Shoot 15 miles north to a
>> tower we just bought
>>
>> This data center is Birmingham Al
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2015 8:25 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>> Depends on the data center … generally yes…
>>
>>
>>
>> Personally, prefer to only deal with carrier neutral data centers
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center
>>
>> And will they allow you to backhaul it from there
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

I hate integrated radios at times. I try to use connectorized when possible

But I love the epmp 5ghz integrated antennas
On Jun 24, 2015 9:19 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> b5c...  always go connectorized.
>
> Look at Jirous dishes too.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"joseph marsh" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:14:38 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>
> The mimosa b5?
> On Jun 24, 2015 9:13 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> To use an entire GigE, you would need licensed, but you can get close
>> with a Mimosa.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> --
>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:09:30 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>>
>> Joseph,
>>
>> I just sent you an email. Hit me offlist, I can help you with your
>> project.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:16 AM, joseph marsh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center
>>>
>>> And will they allow you to backhaul it from there
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

The mimosa b5?
On Jun 24, 2015 9:13 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> To use an entire GigE, you would need licensed, but you can get close with
> a Mimosa.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:09:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>
> Joseph,
>
> I just sent you an email. Hit me offlist, I can help you with your project.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:16 AM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center
>>
>> And will they allow you to backhaul it from there
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Just responded
On Jun 24, 2015 9:10 AM, "Erich Kaiser"  wrote:

> Joseph,
>
> I just sent you an email. Hit me offlist, I can help you with your project.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:16 AM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center
>>
>> And will they allow you to backhaul it from there
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

We are wanting quality bandwidth

Isn't gig e have to be transported on licensed radios or do they make
unlicensed Radios for gig e
On Jun 24, 2015 8:59 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Are you after quality bandwidth or cheap bandwidth?  Not dropping names,
> just thinking it’s a reasonable question and both answers are correct …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:53 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>
>
>
> The price of bandwidth is what is attracting me to the idea
>
> He quoted. 100/100 for less than 700/mo
>
> I'm paying that for 20/20 and almost to my max now
>
> On Jun 24, 2015 8:50 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>
> Cogent rep brought this up and said it would be a few days for him to find
> me contact info to ask that my self
> Just trying to see what other places allow or don't
>
> On Jun 24, 2015 8:44 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
> On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote:
>
> I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
> attaching a ptp radio in top of building to.
>
>
>
> Why not ask them?
>
> ~Seth
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Okay thanks Paul.

I think southern. Telecom owns the building. And. I'm told. I can be live
in 15 days via cogent

But he said level 3 and att is there too
On Jun 24, 2015 8:58 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Can’t comment on that particular data center – but most of them will
> charge significant premiums for “roof top access”.  A data center near me
> (carrier hotel) charges $2000/month for “basic access” plus monthly conduit
> fees and construction charges to install the conduit.
>
>
>
> I’ve heard of some data centers that don’t charge much at all as happy to
> get the business.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>
>
>
> I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
> attaching a ptp radio in top of building to. Shoot 15 miles north to a
> tower we just bought
>
> This data center is Birmingham Al
>
> On Jun 24, 2015 8:25 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> Depends on the data center … generally yes…
>
>
>
> Personally, prefer to only deal with carrier neutral data centers
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>
>
>
> Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center
>
> And will they allow you to backhaul it from there
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

The price of bandwidth is what is attracting me to the idea

He quoted. 100/100 for less than 700/mo

I'm paying that for 20/20 and almost to my max now
On Jun 24, 2015 8:50 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> Cogent rep brought this up and said it would be a few days for him to find
> me contact info to ask that my self
> Just trying to see what other places allow or don't
> On Jun 24, 2015 8:44 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote:
>>
>>> I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
>>> attaching a ptp radio in top of building to.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why not ask them?
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Cogent rep brought this up and said it would be a few days for him to find
me contact info to ask that my self
Just trying to see what other places allow or don't
On Jun 24, 2015 8:44 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote:
>
>> I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
>> attaching a ptp radio in top of building to.
>>
>
>
> Why not ask them?
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Mike,

want to know what would they allow as far as ptp links or do I have to
arrange fiber transport
On Jun 24, 2015 8:20 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I've been doing it for ten years. I'm also very involved with carrier
> hotels now.
>
> Where are you at, what do you want to know?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"joseph marsh" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:16:53 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>
> Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center
>
> And will they allow you to backhaul it from there
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
attaching a ptp radio in top of building to. Shoot 15 miles north to a
tower we just bought

This data center is Birmingham Al
On Jun 24, 2015 8:25 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Depends on the data center … generally yes…
>
>
>
> Personally, prefer to only deal with carrier neutral data centers
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
>
>
>
> Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center
>
> And will they allow you to backhaul it from there
>

[AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center

And will they allow you to backhaul it from there

Re: [AFMUG] Old canopy surge protector

[joseph marsh]

Okay I had a old canopy surge protector and wanted to ask before I used it.

We are deploying epmp today
On Jun 13, 2015 3:00 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>   Better be safe and use a GigE-SS ...
>
>  *From:* joseph marsh 
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 1:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Old canopy surge protector
>
>
> Will a 600ss surge protector work on a epmp correctly?
>

[AFMUG] Old canopy surge protector

[joseph marsh]

Will a 600ss surge protector work on a epmp correctly?

Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links

[joseph marsh]

I got 2 links ready to deploy  just sitting the office waiting to go up on
the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Uhm...I guess?  It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
>> On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>
>>> containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from walmart
>>> in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You mean connectorized?

 bp
 


 On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
>


>>>

Re: [AFMUG] SkyDog alternative

[joseph marsh]

Interested  as well
On Jun 11, 2015 11:23 AM, "Christopher Tyler" 
wrote:

> I would also be interested in hearing about it. I didn't see the original
> message so I can't reply off list as I don't have your email address :)
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:18:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SkyDog alternative
>
> Oh definitely, I really love Skydog and am dreading the day it turns off
> (no thanks to Comcast for killing it).
>
> I’ll email you.
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 5:07 PM
> To: af
> Subject: [AFMUG] SkyDog alternative
>
> Hi folks,
>
> For those of you who remember SkyDog, I have an (better) alternative that
> is operator focused and looking for beta customers.  Hit me offlist and I
> can get you connected.  I saw the demo last week and was very impressed.
>
> Thanks,
> -Hal
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Towers

[joseph marsh]

I have a account with them
On Jun 11, 2015 10:01 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Does anyone have an active login for ATT Towers? Mine seems to have
> expired. Was just looking for their site export. Could someone send that to
> me? Thanks.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Towers

[joseph marsh]

On Jun 11, 2015 10:07 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> Give me a few and. I'll send u the whole site list
> On Jun 11, 2015 10:02 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>
>> I have a account with them
>> On Jun 11, 2015 10:01 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have an active login for ATT Towers? Mine seems to have
>>> expired. Was just looking for their site export. Could someone send that to
>>> me? Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Towers

[joseph marsh]

Give me a few and. I'll send u the whole site list
On Jun 11, 2015 10:02 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> I have a account with them
> On Jun 11, 2015 10:01 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have an active login for ATT Towers? Mine seems to have
>> expired. Was just looking for their site export. Could someone send that to
>> me? Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

I don't screw around with them any more
On Jun 10, 2015 1:54 PM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

Fence charger ?
On Jun 10, 2015 1:50 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:

>  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>
>
>
> Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
> activated lighting … slows them down at least J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>
>
>
> That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
> that already did the damage.
>
>
>
> I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
> lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
> things for the base of the tower?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
> will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
> racoons
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly
> unlikely they'll ever try again :P
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
> climbs without permission.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

I have actually pissed on one when I was a kid. Didn't feel good
On Jun 10, 2015 1:54 PM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> Fence charger ?
> On Jun 10, 2015 1:50 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:
>
>>  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>
>>
>>
>> Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
>> activated lighting … slows them down at least J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>
>>
>>
>> That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
>> that already did the damage.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
>> lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
>> things for the base of the tower?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
>> will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
>> racoons
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's
>> highly unlikely they'll ever try again :P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
>> climbs without permission.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
>> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Remote control rifle  I know. I'm dreaming
On Jun 10, 2015 2:10 PM, wrote:

> Some one needs to invent a automatic rifle  there is a field there and
> kill deer from the office. Lol
> On Jun 10, 2015 2:06 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>>   There are also porch lights with built in motion sensors, if there’s a
>> shelter you could put on on the outside, might be nice to have an automatic
>> light anyway.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>
>>  Fence, barbed wire, sign, needless to say.
>>
>> Locked climb guard on the tower
>>
>> Prominent cameras, real or fake (we put big ones up around our building,
>> have had 2 vandalisms in a year compared to weekly prior)
>>
>> DVR surveillance systems are dirt cheap (as with anything you get what
>> you par for) but you can get cheap 16 channel with 8 cameras on newegg for
>> under 500 bucks, if you want action, get one with relay outputs, have
>> motion trigger whatever you want, from flood lights to claymore detonation.
>>
>> Snapshot on motion is pretty much standard on any system now
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
>>> activated lighting … slows them down at least J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
>>> that already did the damage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
>>> lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
>>> things for the base of the tower?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
>>> will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
>>> racoons
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's
>>> highly unlikely they'll ever try again :P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if
>>> someone climbs without permission.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
>>> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Some one needs to invent a automatic rifle  there is a field there and kill
deer from the office. Lol
On Jun 10, 2015 2:06 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

>   There are also porch lights with built in motion sensors, if there’s a
> shelter you could put on on the outside, might be nice to have an automatic
> light anyway.
>
>
>  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>
>  Fence, barbed wire, sign, needless to say.
>
> Locked climb guard on the tower
>
> Prominent cameras, real or fake (we put big ones up around our building,
> have had 2 vandalisms in a year compared to weekly prior)
>
> DVR surveillance systems are dirt cheap (as with anything you get what you
> par for) but you can get cheap 16 channel with 8 cameras on newegg for
> under 500 bucks, if you want action, get one with relay outputs, have
> motion trigger whatever you want, from flood lights to claymore detonation.
>
> Snapshot on motion is pretty much standard on any system now
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
>>  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>
>>
>>
>> Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
>> activated lighting … slows them down at least J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>
>>
>>
>> That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
>> that already did the damage.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
>> lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
>> things for the base of the tower?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
>> will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
>> racoons
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's
>> highly unlikely they'll ever try again :P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
>> climbs without permission.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
>> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

This is in city limits cops wouldn't be far away
On Jun 10, 2015 1:54 PM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> Fence charger ?
> On Jun 10, 2015 1:50 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:
>
>>  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>
>>
>>
>> Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
>> activated lighting … slows them down at least J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>>
>>
>>
>> That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
>> that already did the damage.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
>> lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
>> things for the base of the tower?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
>> will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
>> racoons
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's
>> highly unlikely they'll ever try again :P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
>> climbs without permission.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
>> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Fence charger ?
On Jun 10, 2015 1:50 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:

>  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>
>
>
> Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
> activated lighting … slows them down at least J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security
>
>
>
> That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
> that already did the damage.
>
>
>
> I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
> lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
> things for the base of the tower?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
> will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
> racoons
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly
> unlikely they'll ever try again :P
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
> climbs without permission.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Who sell the gate contact sensors ?

Preferred vendor on motion activated cameras
On Jun 10, 2015 1:28 PM, "Justin Wilson - MTIN"  wrote:

> Several things comes to mind.
>
> 1.Contact sensors on the compound gates
> 2.A shield over the safety ladder with a contact sensor hooked to an
> audible alarm
> 3.Motion activated cameras for first line of defense.
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
> http://www.mtin.net  Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics
> http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange
>
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
> that already did the damage.
>
> I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
> lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
> things for the base of the tower?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR will
>> do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of racoons
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly
>>> unlikely they'll ever try again :P
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
>>>> climbs without permission.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
>>>>> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

We are gonna put cameras up anyways

Who sells the motion sensor with snapshot notification??
 On Jun 10, 2015 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR will
> do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of racoons
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly
>> unlikely they'll ever try again :P
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
>>> climbs without permission.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
>>>> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Lol
On Jun 10, 2015 1:07 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
> climbs without permission.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
>> will alert us if someone climbs without permission?
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that will
alert us if someone climbs without permission?

Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.

[joseph marsh]

Kick ass I'm gonna explore this more
On Jun 3, 2015 3:27 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> If you zoom in closely you'll see the sticker on the batteries =)
>
> use code SLABATT10
> Genesis NP12-12
> http://www.jmacsupply.com/EnerSys_NP12_12T_p/enersys-np12-12t.htm
>
> Last time I did the math it was 8 hours of runtime for these $100
> batteries on a full Ubnt tower.  Even if it's halved with ePMP you're
> getting 4 hours for $100.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:25 PM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Who's a good supplier to buy from
>> On Jun 3, 2015 3:22 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Genesis batteries.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, joseph marsh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is them alarm batteries?
>>>> On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  What does the second device do?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Why do you need both meanwell parts?  Do you have a sample setup
>>>>>> pictures or diagram?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He said he already has PacketFlux injectors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is
>>>>>> also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (>27).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My $0.0314
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your
>>>>>> converting DC to AC and then back to DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <
>>>>>> li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit.
>>>>>>> http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It
>>>>>>> all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through 
>>>>>>> PacketFlux.
>>>>>>> Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a
>>>>>>> long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues
>>>>>>> during storms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GogebicRange.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.

[joseph marsh]

Thanks. Who's a good supplier to buy from
On Jun 3, 2015 3:22 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Genesis batteries.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> Is them alarm batteries?
>> On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>>
>>>  What does the second device do?
>>>
>>> On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0
>>>
>>>
>>>  Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Why do you need both meanwell parts?  Do you have a sample setup
>>>> pictures or diagram?
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He said he already has PacketFlux injectors.
>>>>
>>>> The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is
>>>> also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (>27).
>>>>
>>>> I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything.
>>>>
>>>> My $0.0314
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your
>>>> converting DC to AC and then back to DC
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <
>>>> li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit.
>>>>> http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It
>>>>> all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through 
>>>>> PacketFlux.
>>>>> Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in
>>>>> a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a
>>>>> long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues
>>>>> during storms.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>>>>
>>>>> GogebicRange.net
>>>>>
>>>>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.

[joseph marsh]

Is them alarm batteries?
On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

>  What does the second device do?
>
> On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
>>  Why do you need both meanwell parts?  Do you have a sample setup
>> pictures or diagram?
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>> He said he already has PacketFlux injectors.
>>
>> The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also
>> 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (>27).
>>
>> I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything.
>>
>> My $0.0314
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your
>> converting DC to AC and then back to DC
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit.
>>> http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all
>>> cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux.
>>> Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in
>>> a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a
>>> long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues
>>> during storms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>>
>>> GogebicRange.net
>>>
>>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP tx power bug continues

[joseph marsh]

We don't have a issue with ours yet we just got our stuff in a few days ago
I believe mine is 26dBm
On Jun 3, 2015 2:42 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I'm tired of repeating myself.  Maybe no one else cares, but let me speak
> here first.
>
> I'm putting up a 5 GHz AP.  It let's me select 26dBm tx power without
> warning until I hit save.  Then it will give me a red info button at the
> top saying that's too much power.
>
> Well if you knew that value is invalid, why don't you tell me in that box
> like 27+ will???
>
> I know this existed in 2.3.4 but it continues in 2.4.2.  Am I the only one
> that this bothers?  Why not just default it to max power like everyone will
> for isntallation and let ATPC/me turn down the power?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] "Get Windows 10" icon

[joseph marsh]

We just got  ours  just walked in the office
On Jun 1, 2015 10:57 AM, "Jon Paul Kelley"  wrote:

Saw it this morning when I got into the office on my laptop and desktop
computers. I signed up.

Jon Paul Kelley
CKS Wireless

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] "Get Windows 10" icon

Has anyone else seen a "Get Windows 10" icon mysteriously appear in your
Windows 7 System Tray?

If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download once
available.

Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.  That's
nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation and finding it
in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which would be quite a
change.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

Packet flux site monitor?
On May 20, 2015 9:52 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> Site Monitor?
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:57 AM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> What's the best tool to use?
>> On May 20, 2015 6:08 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving
>>> you an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
>>> have to monitor current.
>>> On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
>>>> site and need to monitor the lights
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

What's the best tool to use?
On May 20, 2015 6:08 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving you
> an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
> have to monitor current.
> On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>
>> What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
>> site and need to monitor the lights
>>
>

[AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
site and need to monitor the lights

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

His apple router has Ethernet ports  and dont know how they got it wired up

Just also got asked if I'm going to replace his radio so that his sons
PlayStation will work?
On May 16, 2015 3:50 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> Getting back on topic... assuming there isn't a wall in between, if it's
> only a foot away, why doesn't he just plug a wire into the wretched thing?
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:08 AM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> This customer has had his PlayStation working  and it stopped working
>> he's getting 10 meg and he wants us to fix it
>>
>> Its connected to a apple router and they are within a foot of each other
>>
>> BTW I hate apple routers  my opinion
>> On May 16, 2015 10:54 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Nothing formal but the process we use with all devices that aren’t
>>> computers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1)  Does the device see the broadcast SSID?
>>>
>>> 2)  If not, then the WiFi doesn’t work on the device and you need
>>> an external WiFi adapter or get it fixed. Lots of Xboxes fall into this
>>> category.
>>>
>>> 3)  If it does see it, test without encryption, see if that works.
>>> We run into a couple of options with this issue, can’t negotiate security,
>>> devices only supports WEP, WPA, or WPS which Ubiquiti doesn’t support.
>>>
>>> 4)  If it still doesn’t work, check all updates and firmware
>>>
>>> 5)  From there, try replacing the AP or testing with another AP
>>>
>>> 6)  At the point, replace the playstation or the device
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:28 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Customer equipment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling
>>> to say sons PlayStation not working ?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

You got that right!!!
On May 16, 2015 2:16 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> The only thing that works best on Apple products are idiots.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:11:41 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
>
> I'm the farthest right wing conservative you're likely to ever meet, not
rich but not poor, and white. I only use PC if there is an absolute reason
for it...and that is extremely rare. All of the best networking tools work
best on mac.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> > On May 16, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >
> > Apples, (black)Lincolns and Birkenstocks are for rich liberal democrats.
> >
> > PCs (specifically Dells), white Cadillacs and Ostrich Boots are for
rich conservative republicans.
> >
> > Republican boys like to date democrat girls but marry republican girls
(and later cheat with democrat divorcees).
> >
> > Democrat girls like to date democrat boys but they are all too poor and
stoned and majoring in liberal arts or political science.
> >
> > Republican girls just run around with each other getting drunk until
some republican boy sobers up enough to ask them for marriage.
> >
> > Poor republican boys get reality shows involving guns, mud, moonshine
and wrestling animals in a swamp.
> >
> > Poor democrat boys wear shirts with political causes printed on them,
hang out with Goth cutter girls and smoke cigarettes.
> >
> > Give a republican boy a welder and he will make a swamp buggy out  of
an old VW.
> > Give a democrat boy a welder and he will turn it into an objet d'art
symbolizing the military industrial oppression of the worker.
> >
> > And that  is why there are so many apple haters here...
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
> > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:43 PM
>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
> >
> > I buy all of my groceries at Walmart and most of my electronics at
apple. There are a lot of apple haters on here it seems.
> >
> > I can walk a customer through setting up their AirPort Extreme a lot
easier than Asus, netgear, or dlink. The Apple interface never changes.
It's the same for every model. The others change their gui quite frequently.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Brett A Mansfield
> >
> >> On May 16, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >>
> >> I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to configure
his AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular router like a Linksys
or Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his ISP to provide step-by-step
phone support.
> >>
> >> He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.
> >>
> >> He came back with a TimeMachine.
> >>
> >> That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special
names for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices.  So you don't
have a router, you have an AirPort.  You don't have an external hard drive,
you have a TimeMachine.
> >>
> >> But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only shop
for electronics at the Apple Store.  Probably the same people who buy all
their groceries at Whole Foods.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
> >>
> >> No doubt.
> >>
> >> The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it has
to
> >> be some proprietary interface.
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
>  On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>  On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote:
> 
>  Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change the
way
>  the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even if
you
>  knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole new
ball game.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Software developers need to do something.
> >>>
> >>> ~Seth
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

Customer won't give us password to the wifi  we have to do it from his
phone or plug into the ethernet port to check speeds

He also  messes with the settings to fix it and screws it up more
On May 16, 2015 1:58 PM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> I'm gonna go check his speed at the POE. And charge his butt a service
> fee  he is the only one I have issues with
>
> BTW I drive 45 min to his house frequently to fix bs problems for him
> On May 16, 2015 1:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> while wearing flip flops
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to configure
>>> his AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular router like a Linksys
>>> or Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his ISP to provide step-by-step
>>> phone support.
>>>
>>> He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.
>>>
>>> He came back with a TimeMachine.
>>>
>>> That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special names
>>> for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices.  So you don't have a
>>> router, you have an AirPort.  You don't have an external hard drive, you
>>> have a TimeMachine.
>>>
>>> But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only shop
>>> for electronics at the Apple Store.  Probably the same people who buy all
>>> their groceries at Whole Foods.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
>>>
>>> No doubt.
>>>
>>> The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it has to
>>> be some proprietary interface.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change the way
>>>>> the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even if you
>>>>> knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole new ball
>>>>> game.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Software developers need to do something.
>>>>
>>>> ~Seth
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

I'm gonna go check his speed at the POE. And charge his butt a service fee
he is the only one I have issues with

BTW I drive 45 min to his house frequently to fix bs problems for him
On May 16, 2015 1:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> while wearing flip flops
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to configure his
>> AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular router like a Linksys or
>> Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his ISP to provide step-by-step phone
>> support.
>>
>> He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.
>>
>> He came back with a TimeMachine.
>>
>> That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special names
>> for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices.  So you don't have a
>> router, you have an AirPort.  You don't have an external hard drive, you
>> have a TimeMachine.
>>
>> But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only shop for
>> electronics at the Apple Store.  Probably the same people who buy all their
>> groceries at Whole Foods.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
>>
>> No doubt.
>>
>> The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it has to
>> be some proprietary interface.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>

 Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change the way
 the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even if you
 knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole new ball
 game.

>>>
>>>
>>> Software developers need to do something.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

He has all apple stuff  he claims. He has a backup on the router for his
personal files

He's annoying at times he  wants some there when he says jump

We got a install next door today and I'm going out there to do testing  my
self and see what's up
On May 16, 2015 11:12 AM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Apple routers absolutely SUCK and not sure why people like buying them
> personally. You need some stupid app to configure it and there's no Web
> GUI. If its his router and his playstation, you as an ISP have no part in
> fixing it. It's very hard sometimes to explain to the customer that you
> provide internet to the home ending at the POE or modem. After that it is
> their router and their end devices. We get calls sometimes where 7 devices
> are working great but one device isn't working and they want it to be our
> problem. We have to explain if the whole house is offline then it is our
> problem.
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:08 AM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> This customer has had his PlayStation working  and it stopped working
>> he's getting 10 meg and he wants us to fix it
>>
>> Its connected to a apple router and they are within a foot of each other
>>
>> BTW I hate apple routers  my opinion
>> On May 16, 2015 10:54 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Nothing formal but the process we use with all devices that aren’t
>>> computers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1)  Does the device see the broadcast SSID?
>>>
>>> 2)  If not, then the WiFi doesn’t work on the device and you need
>>> an external WiFi adapter or get it fixed. Lots of Xboxes fall into this
>>> category.
>>>
>>> 3)  If it does see it, test without encryption, see if that works.
>>> We run into a couple of options with this issue, can’t negotiate security,
>>> devices only supports WEP, WPA, or WPS which Ubiquiti doesn’t support.
>>>
>>> 4)  If it still doesn’t work, check all updates and firmware
>>>
>>> 5)  From there, try replacing the AP or testing with another AP
>>>
>>> 6)  At the point, replace the playstation or the device
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:28 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Customer equipment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling
>>> to say sons PlayStation not working ?
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
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>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

This customer has had his PlayStation working  and it stopped working  he's
getting 10 meg and he wants us to fix it

Its connected to a apple router and they are within a foot of each other

BTW I hate apple routers  my opinion
On May 16, 2015 10:54 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>  Nothing formal but the process we use with all devices that aren’t
> computers
>
>
>
> 1)  Does the device see the broadcast SSID?
>
> 2)  If not, then the WiFi doesn’t work on the device and you need an
> external WiFi adapter or get it fixed. Lots of Xboxes fall into this
> category.
>
> 3)  If it does see it, test without encryption, see if that works.
> We run into a couple of options with this issue, can’t negotiate security,
> devices only supports WEP, WPA, or WPS which Ubiquiti doesn’t support.
>
> 4)  If it still doesn’t work, check all updates and firmware
>
> 5)  From there, try replacing the AP or testing with another AP
>
> 6)  At the point, replace the playstation or the device
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Customer equipment
>
>
>
> Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling  to
> say sons PlayStation not working ?
>

[AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling  to
say sons PlayStation not working ?

Re: [AFMUG] Odd looking tower

[joseph marsh]

There are some near a wildlife management area in Huntsville AL
On May 13, 2015 2:47 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> It does seem entirely in the ROW.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Joe Falaschi" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:42:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Odd looking tower
>
> Is it sitting in a culvert?  That doesn't seem ideal.
>
> Joe Falaschi
> e-vergent
>
>
> On May 13, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> > There's a little national weather service tower near my old office
> that's about that sizesome of the instruments look the same too.
> > but the weather service one doesn't have cameras.
> >
> >> Genoa, IL.  I saw this along the road about a mile from one of our
> towers.
> >> Anyone know what it's for?
> >> 
> >
>
>
>