Re: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix

[Robert Haas]

CMS replaces Occamview. I know we had an issue with some of the older ONT’s but 
once that was sorted out we turned down Occamview

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix

 

Has OccamView been integrated into Calix Management System yet?



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Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 

Re: [AFMUG] Battery Backup for E3-2 PON node

[Robert Haas]

 

Here is the unit we use in the
office:
http://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/line-powering-solutions/item/cordex-hp-lps36#general-information

They've
got a smaller
unit:
http://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/line-powering-solutions/item/cordex-hp-lps36-compact

On
2018-01-18 16:20, Robert Haas wrote: 

> I think we looked at a unit
from Alpha IIRC for our e3-12c & e3-48's. 
> 
> Instead we are line
powering them from the CO's with an alpha shelf that is -48 in and +-190
out.
> If you are interested in the shelf and cards I can get you the
part #'s. Its a 12 slot shelf though. 
> 
> On 2018-01-18 13:16, Carl
Peterson wrote: 
> 
>> Thinking about deploying E3-2 PON nodes instead
of cabinets for some low density installs but I'd like some form of
battery backup for them. Anyone know of a small outdoor battery backup
that takes utility power and outputs -48 or 190V span power? Perhaps
something ped sized.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Battery Backup for E3-2 PON node

[Robert Haas]

 

I think we looked at a unit from Alpha IIRC for our e3-12c &
e3-48's. 

Instead we are line powering them from the CO's with an alpha
shelf that is -48 in and +-190 out.
If you are interested in the shelf
and cards I can get you the part #'s. Its a 12 slot shelf though. 

On
2018-01-18 13:16, Carl Peterson wrote: 

> Thinking about deploying E3-2
PON nodes instead of cabinets for some low density installs but I'd like
some form of battery backup for them. Anyone know of a small outdoor
battery backup that takes utility power and outputs -48 or 190V span
power? Perhaps something ped sized.

 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS'd NTP

[Robert Haas]

As matter of fact I picked up a raspberrypi + gps receiver last week to start 
building a strat-1 ntp server for my network. My plan is to build 1-2 of these 
and use them to feed a couple of traditional servers that the rest of the 
equipment poll's.

This is what I ordered:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6EQNNK
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B010Q57SEE
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I6LZW4O

Haven't had the time to actually put it together yet though, but there are 
plenty of resources available online on how to get it working.




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS'd NTP

I've got a few CentOS machines running around the network doing various tasks, 
one being NTP for radios, routers, switches, etc. I've been having some issues 
with us.pool.ntp.org lately. I switched to time-(a,b,c,d).nist.gov. Apparently 
those are pretty busy.

So is anyone else using GPS to feed NTPd? From what I've been reading, I guess 
I need a 1PPS capable receiver. Does that exist in a simple USB package? That 
would be ideal, preferably with an SMA female for an external antenna where 
needed. Looks like none of the cheap shit I'm finding on Amazon has PPS output.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Robert Haas]

This was brought up with our discussions with Toly and ANPI(or whoever they are 
this week). We are looking at more of a hosted PBX solution outside of our ILEC 
territory for companies that also have presence within our ILEC territory. 

In that scenario we would port our number to Toly as well as the RBOC number 
for the other locations. 

 

There was a few different choices on how to carry the traffic as well (ie them 
handling it 100% or route the traffic back to us). 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

 

We would just be porting, not moving an NXX.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

 

Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this 
specific instance.  Maybe I don't.  I am betting just this once it's you. 
Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those 
NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. 

You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to 
a different CLI. You can't,  or at least didn't use to be able to do that, 
without paying transport fees.  Last time I tried it they refused, as is their 
right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily 
sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit 
outside his rate center. 

In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your 
class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the 
easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term.

Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just 
get some voip solution and did it himself.  Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, 
Dialogic. There are so many. 

Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely 
understand. 

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett  > wrote:

He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants 
covered.

 



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Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Lewis Bergman"  
>
To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us.  There is no 
way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck.  You have to have 
somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to 
reassign that block to that switch.  You then have to route that to something 
that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know.  If 
outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your 
LATA right? 

Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck.  I saw someone on a voip 
list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances.  I am 
guessing you talked to someone about it today. 

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett  > wrote:

NetSapiens does equipment, not service.

 



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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Lewis Bergman"  
>
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some 
alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all 
porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing 
carrier 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Robert Haas]

We've been looking at Toly: https://www.tolydigital.net/ 

https://www.tolydigital.net/products-services/voip-services-get-ahead-of-you
r-competition-with-flexible-options/

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

 

I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

 

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

 

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Robert Haas]

A little late – but that appears to be a calix e3-48.

These can be line powered from remote and do not require AC power on site. We 
have about ~60 of the e3-12c and 4 of the e3-48’s deployed. All line powered 
from the office using 3-6 pair and 360vdc. (+180, -180)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

 



 

Centurylink just installed a couple of these in an area I am providing service 
in. There is no Electrical power from the power company in the area feeding 
these boxes. Just wondering if they are coming back to hook that up later or 
are these things pulling power from copper phone lines already in the area? The 
pulled some fiber into these boxes as well/

Re: [AFMUG] Sonicwall and PPPoE

[Robert Haas]

We've had to do the same thing. Sonicwall's & PPPoE are always a pain.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonicwall and PPPoE

It’s been a while since I touched a Sonicwall but this was an extremely common 
problem with them for a long time …. we actually had customers with Sonicwalls 
that ordered managed routers to sit in front of them and do PPPOE because of 
this issue - that way the address on the Sonicwall was static…. 


> On Sep 7, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Is there a feature with Sonicwall to reboot if it cannot ping a given 
> IP for say 5 - 10 minutes?
> 
>> Is there some setting in a Sonicwall router to get it to reconnect 
>> too PPPoE after rebooting the SM its behind?

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

[Robert Haas]

Doh – so much for masking the ip’s..

 

*face palm*

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Haas
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

 

No, I double checked for any more specific routes that encompass that range. I 
do have my /20 to a null route to keep from ping-pong’ing at edge routers, but 
I disabled it temporarily with no change.

 

No summary routes – the /32’s end up in the routing table as the sessions 
terminate.

 

Routing at other sites was correct – I could ping the customer and traceroute 
to them from the Braggcity router. Directly on the Bernie router it just times 
out and goes no where.

 

No MPLS

 

I added a static route – one to .208 and a second to .206 (to compare). The 
correct result would be a ping-pong between Bernie and Braggcity.

I attached the screen shot, the .208 just times out while the .206 ping-pongs 
like it should..

 

To expand on that – I then added .208 onto the loopback at Hayti. The screen 
shot shows the Bernie router having the route in the routing table but still 
the traffic is blackholed..

 

I’m scratching my head.. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

 

Is it possible another router somewhere is announcing x.x.x.208/28 (or /29 or 
/30)? You mentioned there is no x.x.x.208/32 router in the route table, but 
what about other prefix lengths?

Are you summarizing your PPPoE prefixes into OSPF by putting them into another 
area and using area-ranges or do all the /32s just end up in all your routers' 
tables as PPPoE sessions come up?

Did you look at the route tables at Braggcity and Ross to ensure they show the 
correct outgoing iface for that /32 to reach the Hayti router?

Are you using MPLS at all?

If you add a static route for x.x.x.208/32 to Bernie, Braggcity and Ross, does 
that make any difference?

Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email:  <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


On 8/25/16 11:22 AM, Robert Haas wrote:

Alright, this problem has raised it head again on my network since I started to 
renumber some PPPoE pools.

Customer gets a new IP address via PPPoE x.x.x.208/32 (from x.x.x.192/27 pool). 
Customer can’t surf and I can’t ping them from my office:

 

[office] – [Bernie Router] – [Braggcity Router] – [Ross Router] – [Hayti 
Router] – [customer]

 

A traceroute from my office dies @ the Bernie router but I am not getting any 
type of ICMP response from the Bernie router ie no ICMP Host Unreachable/Dest 
unreachable etc – just blackholes after my office router.

A traceroute from the Customer to the office again dies at the Bernie router 
with no type of response.

 

Checking the routing table on the Bernie router shows a valid route pointing to 
the Braggcity router. It is also in the OSPF LSA’s.

--

Another customer gets x.x.x.207/32 and has no issue at all.

 

--

Force the original customer to a new ip address of x.x.x.205/32 and the service 
starts working again.

 

--

 

Now – even though there is no valid route to x.x.x.208/32 in the routing table 
– traffic destined to the x.x.x.208/32 IP is still getting blackholed.. I 
should be getting a Destination host unreachable from the Bernie router.

 

This is correct the correct response .206 is not being used and there is no 
route to it:

C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.206

 

Pinging x.x.x.206 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

 

Ping statistics for x.x.x.206:

Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 2, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

 

C:\Users\netadmin>tracert 74.91.65.206

 

Tracing route to host-x.x.x.206.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.206]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

  1 6 ms 6 ms 7 ms  z.z.z.z

  2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms  y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1]

  3  y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1]  reports: Destination host unreachable.

 

Trace complete.

 

This is what I see to x.x.x.208 even though it is not being used and there is 
no route to it.

C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.208

 

Pinging x.x.x.208 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

 

Ping statistics for x.x.x.208:

Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 0, Lost = 2 (100% loss),

 

C:\Users\netadmin>tracert x.x.x.208

 

Tracing route to host-x.x.x.208.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.208]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

  1 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms  z.z.z.z

  2 *** Request timed out.

  3 ** ^C

 

--

 

I’ve verified there is no firewall that would affect the traffic – I even put 
an accept rule in the forward chain for both the source and d

[AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

[Robert Haas]

Alright, this problem has raised it head again on my network since I started
to renumber some PPPoE pools.

Customer gets a new IP address via PPPoE x.x.x.208/32 (from x.x.x.192/27
pool). Customer can't surf and I can't ping them from my office:

 

[office] - [Bernie Router] - [Braggcity Router] - [Ross Router] - [Hayti
Router] - [customer]

 

A traceroute from my office dies @ the Bernie router but I am not getting
any type of ICMP response from the Bernie router ie no ICMP Host
Unreachable/Dest unreachable etc - just blackholes after my office router.

A traceroute from the Customer to the office again dies at the Bernie router
with no type of response.

 

Checking the routing table on the Bernie router shows a valid route pointing
to the Braggcity router. It is also in the OSPF LSA's.

--

Another customer gets x.x.x.207/32 and has no issue at all.

 

--

Force the original customer to a new ip address of x.x.x.205/32 and the
service starts working again.

 

--

 

Now - even though there is no valid route to x.x.x.208/32 in the routing
table - traffic destined to the x.x.x.208/32 IP is still getting
blackholed.. I should be getting a Destination host unreachable from the
Bernie router.

 

This is correct the correct response .206 is not being used and there is no
route to it:

C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.206

 

Pinging x.x.x.206 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

Reply from y.y.y.1: Destination host unreachable.

 

Ping statistics for x.x.x.206:

Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 2, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

 

C:\Users\netadmin>tracert 74.91.65.206

 

Tracing route to host-x.x.x.206.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.206]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

  1 6 ms 6 ms 7 ms  z.z.z.z

  2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms  y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1]

  3  y.bpsnetworks.com [y.y.y.1]  reports: Destination host unreachable.

 

Trace complete.

 

This is what I see to x.x.x.208 even though it is not being used and there
is no route to it.

C:\Users\netadmin>ping x.x.x.208

 

Pinging x.x.x.208 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

 

Ping statistics for x.x.x.208:

Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 0, Lost = 2 (100% loss),

 

C:\Users\netadmin>tracert x.x.x.208

 

Tracing route to host-x.x.x.208.bpsnetworks.com [x.x.x.208]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

  1 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms  z.z.z.z

  2 *** Request timed out.

  3 ** ^C

 

--

 

I've verified there is no firewall that would affect the traffic - I even
put an accept rule in the forward chain for both the source and destination
of x.x.x.208 and neither increment at all. So the traffic is not even making
out of the routing flow and into the firewall..

 

Any pointers are where to start troubleshooting next?

Re: [AFMUG] Server Cabinet

[Robert Haas]

I'm afraid they won't let me buy something that nice!

Josh, George - Thanks I'll take a look at those.
Is the wide APC Netshelter  the 750mm version?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Server Cabinet

I have one of these Black Box QuietCab, it's really nice, but shipping would be 
a LOT.
It weighs like 5lbs

http://www.neobits.com/black_box_network_qce42u_black_box_elite_quietcab_p6118000.html?atc=gbp=CjwKEAjwrIa9BRD5_dvqqazMrFESJACdv27G6u0Fu2kXndoJvdpjwORZiAQXKESXa0Gci_3WNwdOjRoCYk_w_wcB

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Server Cabinet

APC NetShelter, wide version. That's the one you want. Get the cable management 
for it from ebay.

Thank me after working with it for a few months. It's worth the money.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Robert Haas <rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com> wrote:
> Looking for recommendations on a good cabinet for our office. I’d like 
> to put in a 42u+ cabinet primarily to hold server hardware. Not really 
> needing a climate controlled unit.
>
> I’m tired of trying to fit servers onto 23” 2 post telco racks :p
>
>
>
> Looking at the ones online – are they all pretty much the same 
> quality? Just toss them all in a hat and pick one?
>
>
>
> Thanks!

[AFMUG] Server Cabinet

[Robert Haas]

Looking for recommendations on a good cabinet for our office. I'd like to
put in a 42u+ cabinet primarily to hold server hardware. Not really needing
a climate controlled unit.

I'm tired of trying to fit servers onto 23" 2 post telco racks :p

 

Looking at the ones online - are they all pretty much the same quality? Just
toss them all in a hat and pick one?

 

Thanks!

Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

[Robert Haas]

Thanks, that’s kinda what I was thinking about – a Rohn 65G with beefed up guys 
just to be on the safe side. We don’t get much ice normally, but we’ve have had 
4”+ a number of years back. 

A number of towers in the area collapsed during that storm.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

 

How about Rohn 45G, 55G or 65G pieces from www.3starinc.com 
<http://www.3starinc.com>  ?  They also sell the full Rohn kits that come with 
everything. If you want something stronger/shorter than a normal design (like a 
90' 65G with heavier than usual guying, for big dishes) you can easily see the 
individual component pieces and put together an Excel sheet for your total cost.

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Robert Haas <rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com 
<mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com> > wrote:

Coincidentally, I was going to ask a similar question.

I’m looking for suggestions for a 60’-80’ tower (preferred guyed) that will 
hold a 4’ dish. The STG looks like it may work well.

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> ; memb...@wispa.org 
<mailto:memb...@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

 

Hutton, Rohn, Talley. So many options. Direct Rohn rep is 
bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com <mailto:bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com> .

Kind of depends on the loading. For a little heavier load I really like the 
Trylon STG. Solid rod, goes together smooth. Self support for limited load to 
something like 70'.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
<t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> > wrote:

Where you geeks buying these from these days?

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online:  <http://www.surfici.net> www.surfici.net 

 

What can ICI do for you? 


Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP 
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Re: [AFMUG] New generator almost ready!

[Robert Haas]

There is a piece of flex. The iron pipe makes a 180 after the regulator back to 
the rail and then comes up on the left to a shutoff, a union and the flex to 
the carb.

 

Seems like it had to be a lot of work to get that regulator in there, but 
perhaps the plumber wanted to keep it out of the way?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New generator almost ready!

 

Vibration. Our Generac included a short flexible hose. You are allowed one 90 
degree elbow out of the input on the frame rail to allow the line to run 
parallel. That elbow should immediately connect to the flex section. I've seen 
it done both ways. The ones with rigid piping all the way (like yours) work 
fine, but at the possible risk of a gas leak.

On 7/1/2016 11:31 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

We had a local plumber hook up the gas, what do you mean?  I think they hook up 
a lot of generators, this is my first NG should there be a flex hose there?

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:07 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New generator almost ready!

 

No flex hose after regulator?




 

Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com  

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291

 

 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Craig Schmaderer  > wrote:





Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245  
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

[Robert Haas]

Coincidentally, I was going to ask a similar question.

I’m looking for suggestions for a 60’-80’ tower (preferred guyed) that will 
hold a 4’ dish. The STG looks like it may work well.

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

 

Hutton, Rohn, Talley. So many options. Direct Rohn rep is 
bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com  .

Kind of depends on the loading. For a little heavier load I really like the 
Trylon STG. Solid rod, goes together smooth. Self support for limited load to 
something like 70'.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
 > wrote:

Where you geeks buying these from these days?

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Robert Haas]

We are currently looking at Toly Digital: www.tolydigital.net
 

Under an NDA about the pricing, but I can say the profit margin is a lot
better than some of the other hosted solutions we looked at also their
front-end and back-end systems aren't so complex that the CSR's can't handle
basic orders.

 

We're also looking at moving some of the Ilec LD to them as well.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

[Robert Haas]

Now that you've said that, when we initially hung that AP I left the power
supply at the office. Thinking back I think I may have had another 1g POE
with me but it just may have a CPE POE on it.

Something for me to go look at after Louisville.

 

Thanks!

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

 

We've seen performance issues if we're not using the correct power supply.
The APs need to use the 1G power supplies or you'll have issues.  You cannot
use the CPE's power supplies.  The RF link tests will be great but the tests
that run through the ethernet port will not work well.  See the attached
graph, you can definitely see when we changed out the PS in this graph of
usage.  What's weird is this AP was powered from a CMM Micro.  We re-cabled
it to run directly into a cambium power supply.  Done this on about 5 APs at
different sites and it's fixed it every time.

 

The other thing to keep in mind with the RB2011 is what port things are
plugged into.  Ports 6-10 only have a 100M aggregate link to ports 1-5.  If
the aggregate of ports 6-10 require more than 100M, you'll have issues there
too.

 

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

 



 

On Mar 11, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Robert Haas wrote:





I have not yet. This happened right when we acquired another network so I
haven't had much time to spend diagnosing the issue. I did open a trouble
ticket with Cambium but it was closed due to inactivity.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

Have you tried a router other than the 2011?  I have 1 site where I have a
2011, and It might be having this problem, but haven't done much testing
from the CPE side.  Other sites with CRS or 1100's seem to be fine.



On 3/11/2016 11:29 AM, Robert Haas wrote:



For me, no. They are all 1gb.

 

 

-Original Message-

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sovereen, David A

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

 

Is this AP connected to a 100Mbps port while your others are connected to a
1000Mbps port?

 

Dave

 

On Mar 10, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Robert Haas <rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com
<mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com> > wrote:

 

We have the same issue, just at one site. Air test shows 75x20,  a speedtest
plugged into the radio shows 15x10. Plugged directly into the same port on
the router (RB2011uais-rm) maxes the backhaul link (Rocket M5 @ 20Mhz).
Tried different AP radio's, different firmwares, tried a switch between the
AP & Router, tried with the client radio in bridge & nat modes, tried with
PPPoE and with static IP's assigned.. Nothing has seemed to make a
difference at the site. We have 7 other deployments that we have not seen
this issue with that have very similar setups.

 

 

-Original Message-

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Gerlach

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:21 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

 

we have the same Problem with the epmp Stuff..only problems and bugs from
the beginning!

 

2016-03-07 17:00 GMT+01:00 Darren Shea <darr...@ecpi.com
<mailto:darr...@ecpi.com> >:

We had seen some issues with ePMP customers on high-speed plans getting poor
speedtest results - we found that changing the customer's router's MTU from
Auto to 1480 helped immensely. Another factor was to make sure that all
backhauls in the path were running at full connection speed (in other words,
a backhaul whose Ethernet port can run at 1000M should be running at 1000M,
even if the traffic never approaches 100M) all the way out to the internet.

 

 --  Darren

 

-Original Message-

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson

Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 10:27 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

Subject: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

 

Sp I have an issue. Tower is a 4 sector ePMP setup and two backhauls.  We
are seeing poor throughput when connected to the APs (all of them). Signals
are great. Quality and capacity are great.  When going through the AP we are
consistently seeing 4-5 megs of download out to a known speedtest server.
If we plug into the same wired port on which the AP, which gave us the poor
throughput, we can max out the 100 meg uplink. Issue only happens when going
through the wireless.   Here is what I know:

 

 

1.APs are set to 75/25.  SM can do a link test and get 50meg x 12meg on the
link test.  So RF is good.  Isolated AP to where only one client was on.
Same great results.

 

2.Firmware does not seem to be a factor.  Can reproduce this on 2.6.1,
2.5

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

[Robert Haas]

I have not yet. This happened right when we acquired another network so I 
haven’t had much time to spend diagnosing the issue. I did open a trouble 
ticket with Cambium but it was closed due to inactivity.
 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

Have you tried a router other than the 2011?  I have 1 site where I have a 
2011, and It might be having this problem, but haven't done much testing from 
the CPE side.  Other sites with CRS or 1100's seem to be fine.



On 3/11/2016 11:29 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
> For me, no. They are all 1gb.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sovereen, David A
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:42 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
>
> Is this AP connected to a 100Mbps port while your others are connected to a 
> 1000Mbps port?
>
> Dave
>
>> On Mar 10, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Robert Haas <rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> We have the same issue, just at one site. Air test shows 75x20,  a speedtest 
>> plugged into the radio shows 15x10. Plugged directly into the same port on 
>> the router (RB2011uais-rm) maxes the backhaul link (Rocket M5 @ 20Mhz). 
>> Tried different AP radio's, different firmwares, tried a switch between the 
>> AP & Router, tried with the client radio in bridge & nat modes, tried with 
>> PPPoE and with static IP's assigned.. Nothing has seemed to make a 
>> difference at the site. We have 7 other deployments that we have not seen 
>> this issue with that have very similar setups.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Gerlach
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:21 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
>>
>> we have the same Problem with the epmp Stuff..only problems and bugs from 
>> the beginning!
>>
>> 2016-03-07 17:00 GMT+01:00 Darren Shea <darr...@ecpi.com>:
>>> We had seen some issues with ePMP customers on high-speed plans getting 
>>> poor speedtest results - we found that changing the customer's router's MTU 
>>> from Auto to 1480 helped immensely. Another factor was to make sure that 
>>> all backhauls in the path were running at full connection speed (in other 
>>> words, a backhaul whose Ethernet port can run at 1000M should be running at 
>>> 1000M, even if the traffic never approaches 100M) all the way out to the 
>>> internet.
>>>
>>>   --  Darren
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 10:27 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
>>>
>>> Sp I have an issue. Tower is a 4 sector ePMP setup and two backhauls.  We 
>>> are seeing poor throughput when connected to the APs (all of them). Signals 
>>> are great. Quality and capacity are great.  When going through the AP we 
>>> are consistently seeing 4-5 megs of download out to a known speedtest 
>>> server.  If we plug into the same wired port on which the AP, which gave us 
>>> the poor throughput, we can max out the 100 meg uplink. Issue only happens 
>>> when going through the wireless.   Here is what I know:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.APs are set to 75/25.  SM can do a link test and get 50meg x 12meg on the 
>>> link test.  So RF is good.  Isolated AP to where only one client was on.  
>>> Same great results.
>>>
>>> 2.Firmware does not seem to be a factor.  Can reproduce this on 2.6.1, 
>>> 2.5.1, and 2.4.3.
>>>
>>> 3.Have replaced POE injectors 3 times with different manufactures.
>>>
>>> 4.Does not matter if it is DHCP or PPPoE. Hard wired is fine.  Wireless 
>>> stinks.
>>>
>>>
>>> The AP is plugged into a POE which then plugs into a Mikrotik 2011.  If I 
>>> plug into the same exact port the aps plug into speeds are great. The only 
>>> thing that is left is patch cable to POE, Cable to AP, or AP.  I refuse to 
>>> think 6 cables on the tower do the exact same thing.  The odds for that are 
>>> Powerball winning crazy. Speediest from a laptop hooked to an SM to the 
>>> 2011 are poor.  4-5 megs consistent with spikes up to 10-13, but all over 
>>> the place.  Acts like negotiation.  Have set Mikrotik to Auto, to 100 meg 
>>> full, only accepted 100 meg on auto.
>>>
>>> Customers who have 5 meg packages or below don’t see this.  Those with 10 
>>> meg packages are the ones seeing 4-5 meg speeds. 10 meg packages did work.
>>>
>>> Clients are mainly at 2.6.1, but we can reproduce this with a 2.5 and 2.4.x 
>>> SMs. Nothign has changed in the network, which tests out just fine up to 
>>> the point it gets handed off to the ePMP.
>>>
>>> Anyone ran into this? Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

[Robert Haas]

For me, no. They are all 1gb.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sovereen, David A
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

Is this AP connected to a 100Mbps port while your others are connected to a 
1000Mbps port?

Dave

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Robert Haas <rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com> wrote:
> 
> We have the same issue, just at one site. Air test shows 75x20,  a speedtest 
> plugged into the radio shows 15x10. Plugged directly into the same port on 
> the router (RB2011uais-rm) maxes the backhaul link (Rocket M5 @ 20Mhz). Tried 
> different AP radio's, different firmwares, tried a switch between the AP & 
> Router, tried with the client radio in bridge & nat modes, tried with PPPoE 
> and with static IP's assigned.. Nothing has seemed to make a difference at 
> the site. We have 7 other deployments that we have not seen this issue with 
> that have very similar setups.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Gerlach
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
> 
> we have the same Problem with the epmp Stuff..only problems and bugs from the 
> beginning!
> 
> 2016-03-07 17:00 GMT+01:00 Darren Shea <darr...@ecpi.com>:
>> We had seen some issues with ePMP customers on high-speed plans getting poor 
>> speedtest results - we found that changing the customer's router's MTU from 
>> Auto to 1480 helped immensely. Another factor was to make sure that all 
>> backhauls in the path were running at full connection speed (in other words, 
>> a backhaul whose Ethernet port can run at 1000M should be running at 1000M, 
>> even if the traffic never approaches 100M) all the way out to the internet.
>> 
>>  --  Darren
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 10:27 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
>> 
>> Sp I have an issue. Tower is a 4 sector ePMP setup and two backhauls.  We 
>> are seeing poor throughput when connected to the APs (all of them). Signals 
>> are great. Quality and capacity are great.  When going through the AP we are 
>> consistently seeing 4-5 megs of download out to a known speedtest server.  
>> If we plug into the same wired port on which the AP, which gave us the poor 
>> throughput, we can max out the 100 meg uplink. Issue only happens when going 
>> through the wireless.   Here is what I know:
>> 
>> 
>> 1.APs are set to 75/25.  SM can do a link test and get 50meg x 12meg on the 
>> link test.  So RF is good.  Isolated AP to where only one client was on.  
>> Same great results.
>> 
>> 2.Firmware does not seem to be a factor.  Can reproduce this on 2.6.1, 
>> 2.5.1, and 2.4.3.
>> 
>> 3.Have replaced POE injectors 3 times with different manufactures.
>> 
>> 4.Does not matter if it is DHCP or PPPoE. Hard wired is fine.  Wireless 
>> stinks.
>> 
>> 
>> The AP is plugged into a POE which then plugs into a Mikrotik 2011.  If I 
>> plug into the same exact port the aps plug into speeds are great. The only 
>> thing that is left is patch cable to POE, Cable to AP, or AP.  I refuse to 
>> think 6 cables on the tower do the exact same thing.  The odds for that are 
>> Powerball winning crazy. Speediest from a laptop hooked to an SM to the 2011 
>> are poor.  4-5 megs consistent with spikes up to 10-13, but all over the 
>> place.  Acts like negotiation.  Have set Mikrotik to Auto, to 100 meg full, 
>> only accepted 100 meg on auto.
>> 
>> Customers who have 5 meg packages or below don’t see this.  Those with 10 
>> meg packages are the ones seeing 4-5 meg speeds. 10 meg packages did work.
>> 
>> Clients are mainly at 2.6.1, but we can reproduce this with a 2.5 and 2.4.x 
>> SMs. Nothign has changed in the network, which tests out just fine up to the 
>> point it gets handed off to the ePMP.
>> 
>> Anyone ran into this? Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

[Robert Haas]

We have the same issue, just at one site. Air test shows 75x20,  a speedtest 
plugged into the radio shows 15x10. Plugged directly into the same port on the 
router (RB2011uais-rm) maxes the backhaul link (Rocket M5 @ 20Mhz). Tried 
different AP radio's, different firmwares, tried a switch between the AP & 
Router, tried with the client radio in bridge & nat modes, tried with PPPoE and 
with static IP's assigned.. Nothing has seemed to make a difference at the 
site. We have 7 other deployments that we have not seen this issue with that 
have very similar setups.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Gerlach
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

we have the same Problem with the epmp Stuff..only problems and bugs from the 
beginning!

2016-03-07 17:00 GMT+01:00 Darren Shea :
> We had seen some issues with ePMP customers on high-speed plans getting poor 
> speedtest results - we found that changing the customer's router's MTU from 
> Auto to 1480 helped immensely. Another factor was to make sure that all 
> backhauls in the path were running at full connection speed (in other words, 
> a backhaul whose Ethernet port can run at 1000M should be running at 1000M, 
> even if the traffic never approaches 100M) all the way out to the internet.
>
>   --  Darren
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 10:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
>
> Sp I have an issue. Tower is a 4 sector ePMP setup and two backhauls.  We are 
> seeing poor throughput when connected to the APs (all of them). Signals are 
> great. Quality and capacity are great.  When going through the AP we are 
> consistently seeing 4-5 megs of download out to a known speedtest server.  If 
> we plug into the same wired port on which the AP, which gave us the poor 
> throughput, we can max out the 100 meg uplink. Issue only happens when going 
> through the wireless.   Here is what I know:
>
>
> 1.APs are set to 75/25.  SM can do a link test and get 50meg x 12meg on the 
> link test.  So RF is good.  Isolated AP to where only one client was on.  
> Same great results.
>
> 2.Firmware does not seem to be a factor.  Can reproduce this on 2.6.1, 2.5.1, 
> and 2.4.3.
>
> 3.Have replaced POE injectors 3 times with different manufactures.
>
> 4.Does not matter if it is DHCP or PPPoE. Hard wired is fine.  Wireless 
> stinks.
>
>
> The AP is plugged into a POE which then plugs into a Mikrotik 2011.  If I 
> plug into the same exact port the aps plug into speeds are great. The only 
> thing that is left is patch cable to POE, Cable to AP, or AP.  I refuse to 
> think 6 cables on the tower do the exact same thing.  The odds for that are 
> Powerball winning crazy. Speediest from a laptop hooked to an SM to the 2011 
> are poor.  4-5 megs consistent with spikes up to 10-13, but all over the 
> place.  Acts like negotiation.  Have set Mikrotik to Auto, to 100 meg full, 
> only accepted 100 meg on auto.
>
> Customers who have 5 meg packages or below don’t see this.  Those with 10 meg 
> packages are the ones seeing 4-5 meg speeds. 10 meg packages did work.
>
> Clients are mainly at 2.6.1, but we can reproduce this with a 2.5 and 2.4.x 
> SMs. Nothign has changed in the network, which tests out just fine up to the 
> point it gets handed off to the ePMP.
>
> Anyone ran into this? Any thoughts?
>
> Justin
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SIP paging adapter

[Robert Haas]

We are using some SNOM units that are connected to existing amplified paging
horns in the schools.
I can get the part number is you're interested.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 7:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: ***Spam*** [AFMUG] SIP paging adapter

Has anybody used a SIP device that drives paging speakers?  I started out
thinking of an ATA plus a Bogen TAMB2, but I see some SIP devices that look
better featurewise.

>From spec sheets, I'm liking the Cyberdata 011233 or 011061, but the Valcom
VIP-801A is cheaper.

Any recommendations? 

Re: [AFMUG] Issues with doing /29 inside of routerboard

[Robert Haas]

Tim has an odd issue with some bridged interfaces and overlapping addressing  
so I was telling him to subnet and renumber hence my ‘cheat sheet’, 
unfortunately I’ve praying to the porcelain god and I wasn’t able to follow up 
with him on his next set of questions which lead him to ask here.

 

--

For me and how I’ve been helping him, every site/pop has a unique site ID and a 
/24 of  private ip’s assigned to that site based upon the site ID for 
management of devices at that site IE 10.100.siteid.0/24 with a loopback IP of 
a.a.a.siteid/32 for the router on site.

 

For wireless sites, radio links are on /29’s most everything else on /30’s. I 
mentally set aside the first /26 for backhauls links and the last /26 for 
‘local’ devices ie switches, ups’s etc. Everything in between is customer 
access devices – AP’s (generally numbered clockwise starting from north).

 

I started off doing /30’s on backhauls but found they are hard to keep track of 
– plus with ospf and a series of network rings how do you know the radio link 
is blown but the radio itself is still responding? (assuming you are not 
alarming on snmp stats or have a radio where the eth port follows the wireless 
link). *I alarm on other factors rather than the radio just responds to pings 
so it’s a moot issue now, but early on it was pain.

 

Using a /29  for backhaul links and the ip scheme that Tim shared I can quickly 
tell just by the IP on the router whether it’s attached to a backhaul, if that 
backhaul is terminating or originating on that site and if its terminating what 
is the originating site. 

So if I’m logged into site 55 and I see the IP address of 10.100.17.28/29 
assigned to eth1 I know it’s a backhaul link and that the other end is site 17. 

If the IP is 10.100.55.10, I know the router at the other end is 10.100.55.12 
etc.

 

YMMV, everyone has a different scheme that works for them. What is more 
important is standardizing and sticking with it. My site scheme is muscle 
memory anymore so I can rebuild a site with minimal documentation – usually the 
labels on cables, poe’s etc is enough to get 90% of the site rebuilt with the 
rest coming from site documentation. Really helps for those bleary eyed alarms 
at 3am after a site has been smoked.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hass, Douglas A.
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Issues with doing /29 inside of routerboard

 

Exactly.  The site ID piece gets confusing if you try to number by backhaul.  I 
think it makes more sense to assign subnets by physical location.

 

Tower site 1:  10.100.1.x/24

Tower site 20: 10.100.20.x/24

Tower site 30: 10.100.30.x/24

 

And so forth.  This still lets you do something consistent like this:

 

Tower site 1—Tower site 20 backhaul:

 

10.100.1.21/24 – local radio

10.100.1.22/24 – local router interface

10.100.20.1/24 – remote radio

10.100.20.2/24 – remote router interface

 

Tower 1—Tower site 30 backhaul

 

10.100.1.31/24 – local radio

10.100.1.32/24 – local router interface

10.100.30.1/24 – remote radio

10.100.30.2/24 – remote router interface

 

The biggest problem I had with using /30s was that unless I set up DNS, I lost 
track of what /30 belonged to what site once I had more than a handful of 
backhauls.  Numbering this way, without DNS, all I have to know is what the 
site ID is.

 

Doug

 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:03 PM
To:  mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Issues with doing /29 inside of routerboard

 

Site 33:

 

 http://10.100.33.0/24 10.100.33.0/24  (.1 local radio, .2 local router, .101 
remote radio, .102 remote router)

 

Site 34:

 

 http://10.100.34.0/24 10.100.34.0/24  (.1 local radio, .2 local router, .101 
remote radio, .102 remote router)

 

 

If these are talking to one another with this scheme, the routers may be able 
to have multiple IPs but very few radios allow multiple IPs on the device

 

Site 33 local radio is 10.100.33.1 to site 33, but that same radio to site 34 
would be 10.100.34.101

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com 
mailto:d...@franczek.com  wrote:

 

Back to your original question, though—you would have to renumber if you’re 
already using a /24 on an interface and now want to carve that particular /24 
up in /29s.

 

But if you’re using private IP space, why limit yourself to /29s everywhere?  
Particularly if each site would have a site number, you could easily do:

 

Site 33:

 

 http://10.100.33.0/24 10.100.33.0/24  (.1 local radio, .2 local router, .101 
remote radio, .102 remote router)

 

Site 34:

 

 http://10.100.34.0/24 10.100.34.0/24  (.1 local radio, .2 local router, .101 
remote radio, .102 remote router)

 

And so on…

 

Leave yourself plenty of room and route bigger subnets.  The site numbering 
idea 

Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

[Robert Haas]

We are just getting started with ANPI and aren't ready to resell just yet.
He could go directly to them though:

 

https://www.anpi.com/business/hosted-communications/vip-packages/

 

The phones have been fine (polycom), the fax ATA's have been a pain - BUT
that may have been a problem with the cambium epmp firmware that should have
been resolved with their latest firmware release. 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

 

A friend who used to be a customer back in our IT consulting days asked me
for a recommendation for hosted PBX.  They are outside of our service area
and have Charter Business internet.  He isn't using Charter's phone service
because they told him that they couldn't do DID to each of the phones in the
office.  Told him they'd have to have all calls coming to the front desk and
distributed from there.  They have a lot of calls directed to their main
number that goes to the reception desk but then distribute them to the
extensions.  They have 8 DID numbers and probably 8 extensions.  He said
they bought Fortinet phones are using those with Vitelity's hosted PBX
service.  He asked me for a recommendation of a better provider than
Vitelity.  They are constantly hearing that people are getting the number
you have dialed is no longer in service when trying to call them.  We do
our own in house PBX but don't resell so I'm not familiar with who the
better hosted PBX providers are.  He doesn't have anyone onsite who can
manage it, needs the provider to set everything up for him.  He also has a
fax line still but was told by Vitelity that they couldn't provide that for
him.  He said he'll stick with that through the phone company if he has to
but would be willing to try it through VoIP as long as they can connect it
to their fax machine.  I think they've switched to mostly scan/email of
documents but are an insurance agency and still feel they need the fax
ability.

 

So, who's a good provider to point him to that will be better quality than
Vitelity?  I heard a lot of call quality issues when I was talking to him
and he'd like to eliminate some of that if he could.


Thanks,

James Howard

LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

[Robert Haas]

O.o

We knew their president just up resigned for no apparent reason - or the
reason has not been shared with us.

I'll pass that tidbit up the chain..

 

 

Also, I believe Faisal  (here on the list) has a hosted solution as well.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

 

They're local here and I recently heard they were about to implode.  

Bunch of fines pending also supposedly.  

It might all be rumor but you may want to poke around a bit before you put
all your eggs in that basket.   

___

Mangled by my iPhone.

___

On Jun 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com
mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com  wrote:

We are just getting started with ANPI and aren't ready to resell just yet.
He could go directly to them though:

 

https://www.anpi.com/business/hosted-communications/vip-packages/

 

The phones have been fine (polycom), the fax ATA's have been a pain - BUT
that may have been a problem with the cambium epmp firmware that should have
been resolved with their latest firmware release. 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

 

A friend who used to be a customer back in our IT consulting days asked me
for a recommendation for hosted PBX.  They are outside of our service area
and have Charter Business internet.  He isn't using Charter's phone service
because they told him that they couldn't do DID to each of the phones in the
office.  Told him they'd have to have all calls coming to the front desk and
distributed from there.  They have a lot of calls directed to their main
number that goes to the reception desk but then distribute them to the
extensions.  They have 8 DID numbers and probably 8 extensions.  He said
they bought Fortinet phones are using those with Vitelity's hosted PBX
service.  He asked me for a recommendation of a better provider than
Vitelity.  They are constantly hearing that people are getting the number
you have dialed is no longer in service when trying to call them.  We do
our own in house PBX but don't resell so I'm not familiar with who the
better hosted PBX providers are.  He doesn't have anyone onsite who can
manage it, needs the provider to set everything up for him.  He also has a
fax line still but was told by Vitelity that they couldn't provide that for
him.  He said he'll stick with that through the phone company if he has to
but would be willing to try it through VoIP as long as they can connect it
to their fax machine.  I think they've switched to mostly scan/email of
documents but are an insurance agency and still feel they need the fax
ability.

 

So, who's a good provider to point him to that will be better quality than
Vitelity?  I heard a lot of call quality issues when I was talking to him
and he'd like to eliminate some of that if he could.


Thanks,

James Howard

LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Need a company that can do structual survey of towers.

[Robert Haas]

We use Wallace Towers for our inspections: www.wallacetower.com
http://www.wallacetower.com 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 10:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need a company that can do structual survey of towers.

 

I am just going to bring this up again. I didn't get any replies so I am
thinking its not as easy to find someone that does this as I thought. If you
don't know of someone specific that can do inspections of towers. Does
anyone know where or what I would start looking for to get it done?

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/ 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Need a company that can do structual survey of towers.

 

I am looking for a company that can supply a survey of two tower sites to
provide to the county board that they are not going to fall down. Actually I
think we are looking for are they structurally sound and do they need any
repairs or maintenance. Does anyone know of anyone that could do this? We
are located in the western end of the UP of Michigan. Might as well be
Northern Wisconsin though. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/ 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CLI documentation

[Robert Haas]

It wont? 

Isn’t their moto ‘All your routes are belong to us’?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CLI documentation

 

Low cost, feature rich, small network. Os far this has done everything that Ive 
hit walls with on our other choices.

 

I have no doubt I will hate them in time, I hate everything.

 

But right now its like that new girlfriend, even though you know shes probably 
a bitch, shes fresh and exciting and does stuff the other girls wont do. But 
over time you realize thats what makes her a whore. But at least Mikrotik wont 
walk away with half my stuff when the honeymoon is over

 

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com  wrote:

Let him have his fun.

 

Ain’t no drag

Papa’s got a brand new bag.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV95pdw3pDw

 

From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net  

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:08 PM

To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CLI documentation

 

Such sweet newb innocence and bliss


Given time, you'll hate them too.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


  _  


From: That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:06:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CLI documentation

Im pretty sure these mikrotiks were made by jesus in answer to my prayers.

 

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com  wrote:

Try: 
/export 
/export compact
/export file=filename
/export compact file=filename

the compact keyword gives you only lines that differ from default config. 

You can edit the file and then /import it.  I prefer to copy  paste the lines 
in so you can see any error messages that pop up and which lines generated them.

Ohyou can export from deeper in the configuration.  So if you only wanted 
to export ospf stuff, you could do /routing ospf export




Im really loving the mikrotik 

This GUI is really nice in winbox, but i can see with all the small subnets 
associated with moving toward OSPF Thats going to become tedious very quickly.

I like the imagesteams because I deal with the firewall file and the wan.conf 
and now the ospf files. Create them in a text editor and dump them in.

 

What are the comparable files in MT, and whats the easiest way to move files? I 
use winscp with the imagestreams.

 

Any caveats? like loading a file with a syntax error will lock it up type 
caveat?


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CAT5 crosstalk on tower legs

[Robert Haas]

Ours manifested itself as just enough inductance to trigger our surge 
suppressors. With a fast enough ping, you could see the 1pps in the packet loss.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 2:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAT5 crosstalk on tower legs

 

That's it! It's coming back to me now. This is affecting only Canopy APs with 
sync over power going into a CTM2. 

 

What would be the best wiring or pin out method in this case?

On Tuesday, April 21, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

LMG discovered this about 10 years ago or whenever their first sync product 
came out.  The fix was the balanced sync over power wiring schema.

 

From: Ken Hohhof javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');  

Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:24 PM

To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAT5 crosstalk on tower legs

 

The thread about Cat5 ziptied to tower legs probably involved sync over power 
and surge protectors.

 

From: Josh Luthman 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');  

Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 2:12 PM

To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAT5 crosstalk on tower legs

 

Damn near every tall tower I've done straight up the legs and zip tied right 
onto the legs. 

 

Grab shielded cabling and do it again, I bet you have water in the line.  
Double check your connectors at the bottom for corrosion or water.

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ericm...@gmail.com');  wrote:

A while back there was a thread about issues running CAT5 cables along the 
entire length of solid steel tower legs.  

 

We've run into a problem where we can't run 100baseT reliably on a couple APs. 
CRC errors will go away if we force the switch port to 10baseT. Interestingly 
enough, packet loss amplifies when it rains.

 

Any help would be appreciated. 



-- 
Sent via mobile

 



-- 
Sent via mobile

Re: [AFMUG] APC PRM-24

[Robert Haas]

Finally made it into a CO.. 

Our C15’s cages are isolated and bonded separately  back to an EGB. 

 

It amazes me how accurate guys could troubleshoot those switches just by the 
sound it was making. 

He tells stories of watching the switch during lightning storms and being able 
to watch the arcs across the frame. There is a story of a farmer hooking the 
‘drop wire’ into his electric fence, the eskimo’s that shot holes into the 
switch they delivered to Deadhorse Alaska..

I mentioned going to Animal Farm and Beehive Teleco and two of them recalled 
the one time president? of Beehive writing a comments section for a trade 
magazine that they all read. 

 

Unfortunately two of the three OG’s “Old Guys” that started BPS, Falcon 
Communications, and Diversified Communications have passed recently, a lot of 
early telecom history is disappearing  with them. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC PRM-24

 

Our C15 might be in an isolated rack inside the cage.  

That is a funny story.  I started on AE Step switches.  In time not only could 
I hear problems, but I could tell when someone was calling the office and 
answer the phone before it would ring.  That would freak folks out.  

 

From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com  

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 8:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC PRM-24

 

I'll have to take a look at our C15 installs and see what they did. To be 
honest I haven't paid too much attention to them.

Our offices were converted to DMS10's in 97 or 98 from step switches when the 
company bought the exchanges from GTE :p

*Funny story, when our owner (who cut his teeth as an X-Y switch installer for 
Stromberg Carlson) when inspecting one of the CO's prior to purchase he heard 
something wrong in the switch room (A stepper motor?) mentioned it to one of 
the OSP guys as he was leaving - something along the lines of 'Sounds like you 
have a bad motor back there'. Said OSP guy filed a union grievance against him 
for troubleshooting the problem. Surprisingly the same OSP guy retired from the 
company just a few years ago after 40+ years of being in the same CO under 
Contel, GTE and then BPS. 

 

On 2015-04-09 20:59, Chuck McCown wrote:

The original digital switches were so touchy that they started doing the 
isolated ground zones for static sensitive equipment.  But now-a-days we bolt 
them to the concrete floor and bond them all together.  Same with cable racks 
now.  Back to the old days of non isolation in all the new installations I have 
been involved with.  And this is with RUS financing.  I haven’t seen a new 
isolated rack for some time. 

 

From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com 

Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 7:33 PM

To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC PRM-24

 

All the superstructure within the buildings are isolated  bonded. A lineup of 
racks may be bonded together and then bonded back to the I/MGB, the racks 
themselves are isolated from the floor, walls and the cable rack. Same for 
cable rack - it is all bonded together and then bonded to the I/MGB but 
isolated from the walls, celling and racks etc. We've gone through RUS 
inspections in the past and have not failed any of our grounding/bonding 
portions.

Since the chassis is obviously metal there is a risk that the surge could 
energize the rack, which given our past experiences gives me the heebie-jeebies.

By isolating the chassis from the rack the only path would be to the EGB and 
avoid the rack (and potentially other equipment) absorbing the surge. At least 
that is my thinking anyway. I guess that is where my question lies - am I 
worried about nothing?

 

On 2015-04-09 19:14, Lewis Bergman wrote:

If you look at the relevant docs on the subject like the Telco standard or R56 
you'll see the rack itself is part of the ground bus. This really is forced by 
equipment designers. I can't think of many pieces of equipment that chassis 
ground isn't equivalent to ground reference in the circuit. You should ground 
the rack as if it is an integral part of the IGB.

On Apr 9, 2015 4:56 PM, Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com 
mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com  wrote:

We’ve been deploying the WB suppressors using the prm24 chassis for over a year 
now and have ~30 or so in the field.

 

I’ve had an uneasy feeling since day one about mounting the PRM’s in the rack 
with other equipment – to the extent of when I have the option I buy a 1u wall 
mount bracket and mount the chassis on the wall next to the cable entrance 
(bonding to the EGB). I’ve even isolated the chassis off the rack using poly 
washers and poly screws (again bonding to the EGB or MGB in a cabinet).

 

My line of thinking is that I do not want to risk shedding the surge into the 
rack and potentially into another piece of equipment. I

Re: [AFMUG] System Uptime

[Robert Haas]

We’ve had AN50’s with uptimes at 6 years or so. Most of ours were installed in 
2001-2002 and in the last year we’ve begun now most of the IDU’s fail. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Uptime

 

Wow, those AN-50s are quite reliable, also 5.5 years is impressive also in 
terms of those sites not seeing any changes (or UPS replacements? Or are they 
on 48V power systems?).

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:

*Yawn*

 

http://i.imgur.com/JeVcB2P.png




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Customer just sent me a diagnostics file to look at something… love the uptime:

 

=== System diagnostic data ==

Up time: 829 days 01:04:59

 

I know we have links out there with much higher ones… but that isn’t anything 
to sneeze at :-D

 

***

Daniel White - Managing Director

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590 

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 

 

***

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] System Uptime

[Robert Haas]

Aside from lightning strikes we’ve not had an ODU just outright fail. The IDU’s 
just give up the magic smoke out of the blue. Then again – I’m sure they are 
well past their MTBF.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 4:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Uptime

 

It was always the ODUs for us.  I've got one link up that goes to an FM tower 
and it'll stay that way for a while...

 

...until manufacturers start USING SFPs




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com 
mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com  wrote:

We’ve had AN50’s with uptimes at 6 years or so. Most of ours were installed in 
2001-2002 and in the last year we’ve begun now most of the IDU’s fail. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Uptime

 

Wow, those AN-50s are quite reliable, also 5.5 years is impressive also in 
terms of those sites not seeing any changes (or UPS replacements? Or are they 
on 48V power systems?).

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:

*Yawn*

 

http://i.imgur.com/JeVcB2P.png




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Customer just sent me a diagnostics file to look at something… love the uptime:

 

=== System diagnostic data ==

Up time: 829 days 01:04:59

 

I know we have links out there with much higher ones… but that isn’t anything 
to sneeze at :-D

 

***

Daniel White - Managing Director

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590 

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 

 

***

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Drop in monitoring device for troubleshooting customers

[Robert Haas]

I do similar with an rb750. Set it between the radio and their router (radio 
set to bridge – Mikrotik set to bridge two ports together and the customer 
router doing the pppoe authentication)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drop in monitoring device for troubleshooting customers

 

I drop in a Mikrotik RB941 to customers that have suspected issues. I can 
comptletely monitor their entire network that way, WIFI and all.




 

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com/ http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  wrote:

Im dealing with a customer with what appears to be a legitimate complaint of 
slowness, high latency.

 

The biggest problem is its happenning at night so its not like we can go to his 
house and troubleshoot. The issue doesnt appear to be visible in any of our 
monitoring, but we are limited to viewing from this end and not his

 

I had him download pingplotter and leave it running to a specific IP so show us 
his outbound path when this is going on, but so far it hasnt resulted in 
anything useful.

 

I do have an air router set up as a monitoring bridge between his 450 and his 
router from when we were troubleshooting his 2.4 fsk before we switch him to 
3.65. As far as I can tell this isnt a radio issue, hes always 8x/8x

 

Is there any custom load to drop into this air router that would give me some 
tools like iperf or any other nifty networking tools that would give me the 
equivalent of a console at his house to troubleshoot from?

 

We have a bunch of old thin clients laying around here I have considered 
dropping some lightweight linux onto for a drop in toolset, is anyone aware of 
any specific load for that purpose?


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Cad welding expert advice needed :)

[Robert Haas]

Yeah, cad welding to the guy wire is bad juju, weld to the plate as Chuck 
suggests.

I’ve always been leery of cad welding to a rohn 20/25 so we just clamp them – 
we’ve had too many fence posts burn through – I’d hate for  the same to happen 
to a tower leg.

 

We use #2 solid tinned copper for the wire. 

 

A couple of things on the molds – try to be creative – for instance if you know 
you need a ‘T’ mold – buy a ‘+’ mold instead and just push the wire through the 
mold. Same goes with the mold for the wire to ground rod – we buy molds with 
parallel wire passing through rather than a dead end to the rod. If the wire is 
dead ending, toss a short piece of scrap to plug one of the wire holes and push 
the other wire through.. 

It really keeps the number of molds down to a minimum and allows more 
flexibility overall. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cad welding expert advice needed :)

 

We bought the forms and do them from CadWeld.  We do it to them just like what 
you are describing, but we weld to the guy wire plate not the wire itself.  All 
kinds of youtube videos of it.




Regards,
Chuck

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com  wrote:

I would think that would be a bad idea.  Copper to zinc would not be a strong 
weld, and it would start some kind of galvanic reaction, not to mention 
weakening the cable.

copper-copper will work, but I don't think it's actually welding, I think it 
might be brazing?




bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
 

On 3/23/2015 2:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I was not aware you could cadweld to guy wires.

 

From:  mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net Paul McCall 

Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:40 PM

To:  mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Cad welding expert advice needed :)

 

First foray into cad welding… actually my logistics guy is digging into it.

 

We basically need to do 3 types of welding for towers.

 

1)  Welding copper ground cable to the guy 3/16”, ¼” and 5/16” wires

2)  Welding copper ground cable to ground rods 5/8”

3)  Welding copper ground cable to Rohn 25G and 45G tower piece.

 

Looking at lots of models, pieces parts.

 

Anybody have some practical suggestions on pieces parts, vendors etc?

 

Thanks!

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800  office

772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352  cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ 

pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections

[Robert Haas]

Internal we’re bidding 2 schools this year. 1 of which we know we didn’t get 
the job.

Both schools are wanting to replace aging wiring, AP’s  switches wand one of 
the schools wants to upgrade their internal fiber connections to all 10Gb. 

 

We’ve won both schools Internet connectivity – beating out multiple other 
providers including a BTOP/BIP awardee.

We’ve also won one of the bids for hosted VOIP.

 

On the internal stuff I’m not too keen on doing, I wasn’t heart broken to learn 
that the one school chose to go with someone else.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:42 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections

 

Have any of you done any E-Rate work for internal connections? I have my SPIN 
and file my SPACs, but haven't actually gotten any schools (thanks Obama). I've 
only been looking at Internet services, though. I haven't looked at the 
internal construction side of the house.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb  
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https://twitter.com/ICSIL 

[AFMUG] AWS-1 gear

[Robert Haas]

I'm looking for hardware that will utilize the AWS-1 (1700Mhz x 2100Mhz)
spectrum. I've reached out to Alcatel, Nokia/Siemens  Telrad. 

Does anyone know of any other manufacturer? 

 

 

Thanks,

Robert Haas

Network Administrator

BPS Networks/BPS Telephone Company

573-293-2638/573-293-2277

Re: [AFMUG] AWS-1 gear

[Robert Haas]

Thanks Gino, I forgot about Ericsson. I will reach out to these and see what
they offer. 

 

Thanks again

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AWS-1 gear

 

Ericsson, Samsung 

 

Huawei and ZTE if you don't mind the FUD


Gino A. Villarini 

@gvillarini

 

 


On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com
mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com  wrote:

I'm looking for hardware that will utilize the AWS-1 (1700Mhz x 2100Mhz)
spectrum. I've reached out to Alcatel, Nokia/Siemens  Telrad. 

Does anyone know of any other manufacturer? 

 

 

Thanks,

Robert Haas

Network Administrator

BPS Networks/BPS Telephone Company

573-293-2638/573-293-2277

Re: [AFMUG] sneaky sob...

[Robert Haas via Af]

Just a rat snake, I grabbed a shovel and flipped him over into the field. There 
are a couple of bald eagles nesting somewhere nearby (I see them in the field 
often), either he slithered off or became eagle poop.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] sneaky sob...

 

I can’t ID it from the photo.  What kind is it?  Venomous? 

 

From: Robert Haas via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:05 AM

To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  

Subject: [AFMUG] sneaky sob...

 

This sneaky critter decided to drop into my hand hole while doing inspections 
for some upcoming fiber plant work. I opened the HH, went back to my van to 
grab my notebook, reached down to pick up the enclosure and didn’t notice the 
little bugger coiled up in the corner. Luckily for me he was cold enough that 
when he struck at my hand it was in slow motion and  he only covered about half 
the distance to my hand before falling over. 

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

[Robert Haas via Af]

We had an older lady named Patricia that got married. She wanted to change her 
E-mail address to reflect her new last name of Burns….

Yep, pburns is what she wanted..

 

She called back a few weeks later and changed it.

 

 

We finally forced all of our dialup users to a 256k/256k dsl service for the 
same price as they were paying for the dialup. We still have 4-5 grandfathered 
on the tier today. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 

We have a few of them left as well. They just won't go away. We have offered 
free installs even and they won't budge. I can't even imagine using dialup for 
just email now-a-days. *Shivers*

 

-Ty

 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

We had a Virgil and Johana [last name redacted] come in for dial up service 
years and years ago.  Same situation, they had no idea what they wanted for an 
email address.  They decided to combine their first names and came up with 
Virghana...Our sales guy almost lost it after he wrote it down on the paper and 
read it out loud.

 

Oh the good ol dial up days.  We actually still have like 4 dial up customers...

 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

Good Chinese name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dong_people

 

 

From: Shayne Lebrun via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:11 PM

To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 

One day, way back in the dialup days, when people would sign up for an account, 
they’d have no idea what to use for an email address.  So we suggested ‘first 
name, initial of last name.’

 

One day, an older gent comes in, signs up.  My coworker brings me the form, I 
start to set it all up.  Then I notice the email address.

 

‘Doug,’ I say, to my older, straight-laced, religious-type co-worker, ‘are you 
sure about this email address?’

‘Yes,’ he says.

‘Really?’  says I.

‘Yes, ‘ he says.  ‘Don G.  That’s his name.’

‘Look at the form, Doug,’ I urge.  ‘Look at it.’

He looks.

‘Don G at ourdomain.com http://ourdomain.com .  Looks fine to me,’ he says.

‘Keep looking,’ I say, and I wait.

Tick.

Tick.

Tick.

“OH NO! “ and out he races to attempt to catch the man who just signed up for 
an email address of ‘d...@ourdomain.com mailto:d...@ourdomain.com ’.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 

Seriously, that would have been very cool.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 

That's funny.  My wife wanted to name our son Arrow until I made her say that 
one out loud.  Arrow SmithI don't think so.

 

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

My last name is House.   When my son was on the way my wife and I  were 
discussing names for him.   She suggested Porter.   She was serious until I 
made her say his whole name out loud.  

 

Craig

 

 


  _  


From: Ben Wirch via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 4:14:37 PM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 

I have a Brenda Titsworth as a sub.

On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

 

But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, 
otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing.

 

There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though.  I worked with a 
Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke.  I went to 
school with a Jerry Ferry.  Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a lot of 
software from Cambium’s website.

 

From: Craig House via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM

To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 

And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover

 

 


  _  


From: Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 

Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain.

 

 

On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:

I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from.  Like I.P. 
Freely.   Seymour Butts  juvenile stuff. 

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

It took me a moment...

 

From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Contractors

[Robert Haas via Af]

We use Floyds Equipment out of Sikeston, MO 

573-472-2652

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Royer via Af
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Contractors

 

Does anyone have a good fiber boring contractor that you would recommend?

 

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net http://www.royell.net 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

[Robert Haas via Af]

I’ll take a look into those as well.

This is all strictly layer 2 with a few vlans for their phones  video.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

 

If all you want is a great deal of layer-2-only, 24-port or 48-port SFP+ and a 
switch fabric, the Quanta switches which run Cumulus Linux (debian based) are a 
good option.

There are about four different Taiwan-based manufacturers that build switches 
which run Cumulus.

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Robert Haas via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

Any recommendations for a cost effective 10Gb switch? We have a local 
Elementary/High school district wanting to upgrade all of their fiber links to 
10Gb. The kicker I’ve found is this central location has 6 connections. I can 
find switches with 4 SFP+/XFP ports easily. It seems like you crack the magic 
‘4’ number and the prices start jumping pretty quick.

 

I’d like to avoid stacking switches if possible but cost may dictate doing so. 

 

So does anyone know of a switch with 6 SFP+/XFP ports that’s not going to make 
the administrator have a stroke on me?

 

Thanks,

Robert Haas

 

 

[AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

[Robert Haas via Af]

Any recommendations for a cost effective 10Gb switch? We have a local
Elementary/High school district wanting to upgrade all of their fiber links
to 10Gb. The kicker I've found is this central location has 6 connections. I
can find switches with 4 SFP+/XFP ports easily. It seems like you crack the
magic '4' number and the prices start jumping pretty quick.

 

I'd like to avoid stacking switches if possible but cost may dictate doing
so. 

 

So does anyone know of a switch with 6 SFP+/XFP ports that's not going to
make the administrator have a stroke on me?

 

Thanks,

Robert Haas

 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

[Robert Haas via Af]

Thanks Gino, I will take a look at those.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

 

Dell/force10 s4810 Ebay $3k avg

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com 
Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com 
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

 

Any recommendations for a cost effective 10Gb switch? We have a local
Elementary/High school district wanting to upgrade all of their fiber links
to 10Gb. The kicker I've found is this central location has 6 connections. I
can find switches with 4 SFP+/XFP ports easily. It seems like you crack the
magic '4' number and the prices start jumping pretty quick.

 

I'd like to avoid stacking switches if possible but cost may dictate doing
so. 

 

So does anyone know of a switch with 6 SFP+/XFP ports that's not going to
make the administrator have a stroke on me?

 

Thanks,

Robert Haas

 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

[Robert Haas via Af]

Thanks Gerard!

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

 

If you don't need 48 ports or 40G uplink, there's also the IBM/BNT 8124E.. 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201213550967




 

Gerard

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Robert Haas via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

Thanks Gino, I will take a look at those.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

 

Dell/force10 s4810 Ebay $3k avg

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 

Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com 
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com  af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

 

Any recommendations for a cost effective 10Gb switch? We have a local 
Elementary/High school district wanting to upgrade all of their fiber links to 
10Gb. The kicker I’ve found is this central location has 6 connections. I can 
find switches with 4 SFP+/XFP ports easily. It seems like you crack the magic 
‘4’ number and the prices start jumping pretty quick.

 

I’d like to avoid stacking switches if possible but cost may dictate doing so. 

 

So does anyone know of a switch with 6 SFP+/XFP ports that’s not going to make 
the administrator have a stroke on me?

 

Thanks,

Robert Haas

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Cabinets

[Robert Haas via Af]

 

I'm not sure. I will ask him for more details. 

On 2014-10-31
14:12, That One Guy via Af wrote: 

 are these temp controlled units?

 
 On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Robert Haas via Af af@afmug.com
[2] wrote:
 
 One of our owners is selling some cabinets, these are
larger telco cabinets. I have not seen these in person as they are at
his warehouse in Virginia. 
 
 Asking price is $999/ea. 
 

Contact info: 
 
 Mark Graves 
 
 Diversified Communications 


 441 Mount Torrey Road / P.O. Box 169 
 
 Lyndhurst, VA 22952 USA

 
 Ph: (540) 943-7006 
 
 E-mail: sa...@diverscomm.com [1]
 

-- 
 
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore,
if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




Links:
--
[1] mailto:sa...@diverscomm.com
[2] mailto:af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's

[Robert Haas via Af]

The other schools in the area have them. Like Mike stated none have had
anything bad to say nor anything good to say.

The district went to all chrome books and they are saturating their AP's (my
guess from the symptoms he was describing). Unfortunately they use a
consultant group for their E-Rate RFQ's and we can't talk to the school
directly without our bid being rejected. 

 

Because the RFQ names those AP's I don't think we can bid any other products
but the project as a whole is to re-wire a couple of buildings, move the
infrastructure to Gige and place the AP's.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's

 

Usually when a bid goes out for specific equipment through a local bid,
either they already have some or the fix is in.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Super WISP via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's

 

Robert,


If they are open to other products, we can offer you Ruckus, HP, or Aruba.

 

Mark Chamerlik 
WAVR, Inc 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Haas via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's

 

We have a local school district that put out a RFQ for Aerohive AP's:
http://www.aerohive.com/

Anyone ever worked with these before?

I've not heard of them until now.

 

 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's

[Robert Haas via Af]

Thanks Jaime. I’m not sure what they are using right now although I did see a 
few UBNT poe bricks scattered about. 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:35 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's

 

We tested them along with Meraki at district last year.  Didnt impress enough 
to replace PicoStation HPs. ..  not sure if they have improved.  

Jaime Solorza

On Oct 28, 2014 2:39 PM, Robert Haas via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

We have a local school district that put out a RFQ for Aerohive AP’s: 
http://www.aerohive.com/

Anyone ever worked with these before?

I’ve not heard of them until now.

 

[AFMUG] Aerohive AP's

[Robert Haas via Af]

We have a local school district that put out a RFQ for Aerohive AP's:
http://www.aerohive.com/

Anyone ever worked with these before?

I've not heard of them until now.