Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.

[Tim Reichhart]

Jason
how much does it cost for contractors to do this?

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/20/16 06:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.

Very true. I found it cheaper to use contractors.

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

Partner with a drilling and fiber pull/splice company?
 
Fiber requires a LOT of crew and machinery that WISPs don't have and are not 
trained to operate.
 
You could do small jobs and pay retail on the fiber construction.
 
Backhaul with high capacity wireless into areas and bury/hang fiber (how I 
started).
Then fill in with middle mile fiber down the road.
 
Or do the reverse and backhaul with fiber and stick with high capacity wireless 
for last mile (Vivint?)
Then fill in with fiber to the home later.
 
The capital required to run a crew to do fiber is pretty high.
And that doesn't get you any actual fiber in the ground, that's also very 
capital intensive on top of that.
 
Salary is the hard part. Keeping large crews happy in down time is where 
problems arise.
Double training staff might work, but I haven't seen much of that.
 
There is a LOT of money to be had in owning and operating a good drilling and 
fiber crew around here.
 
 
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Graham McIntire
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.
 
I'm curious as well as to what equipment we need to go from 100% pure WISP to 
doing fiber as well.

 
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
How are all of you fiber guys paying to get this stuff in the ground ? All self 
financing ?
What is a good estimate to bore say 100 or 500 houses passed in a suburban 
neighborhood that's all asphalt and concrete sidewalks with ~5000sqft lots for 
pon? I know it could vary vastly but just a ball park ? $1000 per house passed 
? 
  
 

[AFMUG] who is using towercoverage.com?

[Tim Reichhart]

Who on this list is using towercoverage.com? I want to know how accurate it is 
because I have an account now with them and I am doubt its very accurate to 
give out an good signal from my tower. Because I really hate spending 25 
dollars per month and its not going to be accurate. 

Tim

[AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Tim Reichhart]

what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one that 
can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you guys say 
to use?

Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet

[Tim Reichhart]

Jerry
I think 20x20 for ham radio is 2 much they dont need no more then 5meg for 
service.

-Original Message- 
> From: "Jerry Head"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 02/18/16 09:05 AM 
> Subject: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet 
> 
> I think a few of the list members out there are HAMs  so I need some 
> advice please.
> I support our local HAM group and  have allowed them to place repeaters 
> on two of my towers
> at no charge to their group. Now one of their members has asked for 
> Internet service at one of the
> sites for HAM use. I have heard something about HAMs using the Internet 
> to "talk" so I guess this is
> not unusual.
> For me the kicker is that he is asking for 20x20Mbps service...I 
> certainly have the capacity but
> that just seems excessive.
> Opinions anyone?

Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing

[Tim Reichhart]

How do you guys know its an cable modem and not fiber? Are you guys basing off 
an IP address?

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "John Woodfield" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 03/07/16 07:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing


Doubtful considering he is taking business customers from them competing head 
to head.
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:53pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing

 
" resell the Service or otherwise make available to anyone outside the Service 
Location(s) the ability to use the Service (for example, through WiFi or other 
methods of networking), in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, _unless 
expressly permitted by the applicable Business Services Agreement_;"
He may be one of the handful where Comcast has no plans to expand service in 
the area, but where they won't mind selling the guy a few hundred Mbps. On Mar 
6, 2016 8:46 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

Call the business service division.  Have the sales guy come to your office to 
discuss buying their service. When he is in your office and turns you down, 
tell him the address of the guy reselling the service and the name if you have 
it.  I will bet $100 they have that guy shut down in 30 days.  Call me to 
collect if I'm wrong.
 
Rory
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing
 
It's no different than the guys who exceed eirp, use channels not allowed, 
don't register 3ghz, etc, cheaters will always cheat.
On Mar 6, 2016 7:55 PM, "David Milholen"  wrote:
LOL...
 Hold my Beer , Watch this!


On 3/6/2016 5:13 PM, John Woodfield wrote:

How do you deal with the startups they get a Comcast cable modem and start 
selling service? They can afford to undercut on pricing since they pay nothing 
for bandwidth and have no respect for doing things right...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi
 
--

 
 
 
 
 

[AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Tim Reichhart]

Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? If so what is your 
temperature cut off time and what you wear during the install?

Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Tim Reichhart]

Scott
do you see any snow in your neck of the woods? because winter just showed up 
here in midwest. That is why I am asking this question...

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: "Scott Vander Dussen"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 11/21/15 02:18 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time? 
> 
> LOL from California. :)
> 
> Thanks,
> `S
> 
> ---
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
> 
> > On Nov 21, 2015, at 11:14, Tim Reichhart  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? If so what is your 
> > temperature cut off time and what you wear during the install?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

[AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

[Tim Reichhart]

would rocket dish 2g with rocket m2 fix an link issue because today I tried 
with an nanobeam m2 and link from customer to ap is about 3 miles and I was 
getting anywhere from -70 to -75. 

Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

[Tim Reichhart]

Justin
whats the gain on the airgrid vs the dish?




-Original Message-
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/29/15 08:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

Depends on noise floor. The nano beam m2-13 is only 13DBI. If you want to sep 
up to a bigger dish that would get you more gain. As much as folks don’t like 
the air grids in 2.4 GHZ it’s hard to beat the AG-HP-2G20.



Justin Wilson
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On Nov 29, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:

would rocket dish 2g with rocket m2 fix an link issue because today I tried 
with an nanobeam m2 and link from customer to ap is about 3 miles and I was 
getting anywhere from -70 to -75.

Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

[Tim Reichhart]

Would hitting edge of an woods cause the -70 to -75 signal problem? Because if 
I go with rocket dish or with airgrid would the signal come down an bit or not? 
Because the ubnt.com/airlink told me I would get -61 at the ap and like -59 at 
the cpe in reality it was more like -70 to -75 


-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/29/15 09:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

 
The power output of the Powerbeam is much higher.  However, it probably isn't 
much better on the receive side other than a slightly better chipset.
 
Rory
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue
 
Justin
whats the gain on the airgrid vs the dish?


 

-Original Message-
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/29/15 08:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

Depends on noise floor. The nano beam m2-13 is only 13DBI. If you want to sep 
up to a bigger dish that would get you more gain. As much as folks don't like 
the air grids in 2.4 GHZ it's hard to beat the AG-HP-2G20.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
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xISP Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

On Nov 29, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:

would rocket dish 2g with rocket m2 fix an link issue because today I tried 
with an nanobeam m2 and link from customer to ap is about 3 miles and I was 
getting anywhere from -70 to -75.








 
 

Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

[Tim Reichhart]

Justin
the quality was like at 50-60% and capacity was like at 2% then it would 
disconnect from the ap. 


-Original Message-
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/29/15 09:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

When you make a link and start passing traffic what are your quality and 
capacity numbers? If you quality is too low the signal strength won't matter.


 Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net


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On Nov 29, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:
Would hitting edge of an woods cause the -70 to -75 signal problem? Because if 
I go with rocket dish or with airgrid would the signal come down an bit or not? 
Because the ubnt.com/airlink told me I would get -61 at the ap and like -59 at 
the cpe in reality it was more like -70 to -75 



-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/29/15 09:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

 The power output of the Powerbeam is much higher.  However, it probably isn't 
much better on the receive side other than a slightly better chipset.
 Rory
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue 
  
Justin
whats the gain on the airgrid vs the dish?


 

-Original Message-
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/29/15 08:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

Depends on noise floor. The nano beam m2-13 is only 13DBI. If you want to sep 
up to a bigger dish that would get you more gain. As much as folks don't like 
the air grids in 2.4 GHZ it's hard to beat the AG-HP-2G20.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

On Nov 29, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:

would rocket dish 2g with rocket m2 fix an link issue because today I tried 
with an nanobeam m2 and link from customer to ap is about 3 miles and I was 
getting anywhere from -70 to -75.









 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

[Tim Reichhart]

Justin
The customer placed his 30ft antenna like close to an power pole which maybe 
100ft from the there is alot maybe 20ft tree in way also.What don't make any 
sense to me is that my other site (which you know what site i am talking about 
Justin) I have crap load of interference and still be able to make links work 
pulling upto 10meg service. It seems to me its either height issue at the 
customer house or at my ap site. 




-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/30/15 04:14:30am

Sounds like something is in the way. . Either interference or fresnel zone 
issues.    Justin wilsonj...@mtin.net---http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEOxISP 
Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth  http://www.midwest-ix.com  
COO/ChairmanInternet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric On Nov 29, 2015, 
at 9:28 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:Justinthe 
quality was like at 50-60% and capacity was like at 2% then it would disconnect 
from the ap.-Original Message-From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.comDate: 11/29/15 09:16 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] 
would rocket dish 2g fix an link issueWhen you make a link and start passing 
traffic what are your quality and capacity numbers? If you quality is too low 
the signal strength won't matter. Justin 
wilsonj...@mtin.net---http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEOxISP Solutions- Consulting - 
Data Centers -
Bandwidth  http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/ChairmanInternet Exchange - Peering - 
Distributed Fabric On Nov 29, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:Would hitting edge of an woods cause the 
-70 to -75 signal problem? Because if I go with rocket dish or with airgrid 
would the signal come down an bit or not? Because the ubnt.com/airlink told me 
I would get -61 at the ap and like -59 at the cpe in reality it was more like 
-70 to -75 -Original Message-From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.comDate: 11/29/15 09:05 PMSubject: Re: 
[AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue The power output of the 
Powerbeam is much higher.  However, it probably isn't much better on the 
receive side other than a slightly better chipset. Rory  From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim ReichhartSent: Sunday, November 
29,
2015 6:58 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an 
link issue   Justinwhats the gain on the airgrid vs the dish? -Original 
Message-From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" To: af@afmug.comDate: 
11/29/15 08:54 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link 
issueDepends on noise floor. The nano beam m2-13 is only 13DBI. If you want to 
sep up to a bigger dish that would get you more gain. As much as folks don't 
like the air grids in 2.4 GHZ it's hard to beat the AG-HP-2G20.Justin 
wilsonj...@mtin.net---http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEOxISP Solutions- Consulting - 
Data Centers - Bandwidthhttp://www.midwest-ix.com COO/ChairmanInternet Exchange 
- Peering - Distributed FabricOn Nov 29, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:would rocket dish 2g with rocket m2 fix 
an link issue because today I tried with an
nanobeam m2 and link from customer to ap is about 3 miles and I was getting 
anywhere from -70 to -75. 

Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

[Tim Reichhart]

Chris
this interference is not at the location where I am trying to install the issue 
is I am trying to figure out why so low of signal.


-Original Message-
From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/30/15 06:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue


If you have "crapcload of interference" don't install new customers on 2.4ghz. 
Espicially in winter with trees in the way. Recipe for a lot of headaches and 
disappointment. On Nov 30, 2015 12:32 AM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
Justin
The customer placed his 30ft antenna like close to an power pole which maybe 
100ft from the there is alot maybe 20ft tree in way also.What don't make any 
sense to me is that my other site (which you know what site i am talking about 
Justin) I have crap load of interference and still be able to make links work 
pulling upto 10meg service. It seems to me its either height issue at the 
customer house or at my ap site.




-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/30/15 04:14:30am

Sounds like something is in the way. . Either interference or fresnel zone 
issues.Justin wilsonj...@mtin.net---http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEOxISP 
Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth  http://www.midwest-ix.com  
COO/ChairmanInternet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric On Nov 29, 2015, 
at 9:28 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:Justinthe 
quality was like at 50-60% and capacity was like at 2% then it would disconnect 
from the ap.-Original Message-From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.comDate: 11/29/15 09:16 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] 
would rocket dish 2g fix an link issueWhen you make a link and start passing 
traffic what are your quality and capacity numbers? If you quality is too low 
the signal strength won't matter. Justin 
wilsonj...@mtin.net---http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEOxISP Solutions- Consulting - 
Data Centers -
Bandwidth  http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/ChairmanInternet Exchange - Peering - 
Distributed Fabric On Nov 29, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:Would hitting edge of an woods cause the 
-70 to -75 signal problem? Because if I go with rocket dish or with airgrid 
would the signal come down an bit or not? Because the ubnt.com/airlink told me 
I would get -61 at the ap and like -59 at the cpe in reality it was more like 
-70 to -75 -Original Message-From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.comDate: 11/29/15 09:05 PMSubject: Re: 
[AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue The power output of the 
Powerbeam is much higher.  However, it probably isn't much better on the 
receive side other than a slightly better chipset. Rory  From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim ReichhartSent: Sunday, November 
29,
2015 6:58 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an 
link issue   Justinwhats the gain on the airgrid vs the dish? -Original 
Message-From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" To: af@afmug.comDate: 
11/29/15 08:54 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link 
issueDepends on noise floor. The nano beam m2-13 is only 13DBI. If you want to 
sep up to a bigger dish that would get you more gain. As much as folks don't 
like the air grids in 2.4 GHZ it's hard to beat the AG-HP-2G20.Justin 
wilsonj...@mtin.net---http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEOxISP Solutions- Consulting - 
Data Centers - Bandwidthhttp://www.midwest-ix.com COO/ChairmanInternet Exchange 
- Peering - Distributed FabricOn Nov 29, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:would rocket dish 2g with rocket m2 fix 
an link issue because today I tried with an
nanobeam m2 and link from customer to ap is about 3 miles and I was getting 
anywhere from -70 to -75. 

 

Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

[Tim Reichhart]

So you guys are saying I should put up ptp for the customer? Wouldnt I have the 
same issue with the signal problem as I have with the nanobeam? Since there is 
edge of the woods I am hitting?




-Original Message-
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/30/15 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

Yeah not a bad idea.  I haven't had a good or bad experience with swapping 
heads on these.  I know they aren't that finely tuned for the frequency.


  Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net


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On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:53 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
 If it's me, I just get the Powerbeam PBE-M5-620.  You pick up another 4dBi on 
the antenna gain.
 
Rory
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue 
 
How about LiteBeam?  Seem to work pretty well for Sonic Ranch folks out to 
studios and guest houses On Nov 29, 2015 7:05 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
 wrote:
 The power output of the Powerbeam is much higher.  However, it probably isn't 
much better on the receive side other than a slightly better chipset.
 
Rory
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue 
 
 
Justin
whats the gain on the airgrid vs the dish? 


-Original Message-
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/29/15 08:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

Depends on noise floor. The nano beam m2-13 is only 13DBI. If you want to sep 
up to a bigger dish that would get you more gain. As much as folks don't like 
the air grids in 2.4 GHZ it's hard to beat the AG-HP-2G20.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

On Nov 29, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:

would rocket dish 2g with rocket m2 fix an link issue because today I tried 
with an nanobeam m2 and link from customer to ap is about 3 miles and I was 
getting anywhere from -70 to -75.









 
 
 
 

 

Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

[Tim Reichhart]

See Rory I am not using 5Ghz equipment like sectors at the grain silo I mean 
there just not enough room up there to do anything. I am only using 5Ghz for 
backhaul for now.

I mean I probably put up an small 5Ghz sector up there but I dont know if it 
will work or not.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/30/15 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

 
I meant put up a Powerbeam on the side of the customer.
 
Rory
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue
 
So you guys are saying I should put up ptp for the customer? Wouldnt I have the 
same issue with the signal problem as I have with the nanobeam? Since there is 
edge of the woods I am hitting?


 

-Original Message-
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/30/15 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue
Yeah not a bad idea.  I haven't had a good or bad experience with swapping 
heads on these.  I know they aren't that finely tuned for the frequency.

 
 

 

 
Justin Wilson

j...@mtin.net

 

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On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:53 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
 
 
If it's me, I just get the Powerbeam PBE-M5-620.  You pick up another 4dBi on 
the antenna gain.

 

Rory

 

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue 

 
How about LiteBeam?  Seem to work pretty well for Sonic Ranch folks out to 
studios and guest houses
 
On Nov 29, 2015 7:05 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

 
The power output of the Powerbeam is much higher.  However, it probably isn't 
much better on the receive side other than a slightly better chipset.

 

Rory

 

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue 

 

 
Justin
whats the gain on the airgrid vs the dish?
 



-Original Message-
From: "Justin Wilson - MTIN" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/29/15 08:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] would rocket dish 2g fix an link issue

Depends on noise floor. The nano beam m2-13 is only 13DBI. If you want to sep 
up to a bigger dish that would get you more gain. As much as folks don't like 
the air grids in 2.4 GHZ it's hard to beat the AG-HP-2G20.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth

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On Nov 29, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:

would rocket dish 2g with rocket m2 fix an link issue because today I tried 
with an nanobeam m2 and link from customer to ap is about 3 miles and I was 
getting anywhere from -70 to -75.










  
  

  
  


  

 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!!

[Tim Reichhart]

There is mike from iwisp.gr is making an all and one setup. Like monitoring and 
billing rolled up on one. I am an iwisp.gr user right now. 


-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!!
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 2015/12/04 14:31:52

Closer to ten than three.  ;-)

WISPMon
Azotel
PowerCode
BillMax
Freeside
Platypus
SwiftFox
VISP
Whatever Simon is working on, but it's not out yet
Some more, I'm sure.




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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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 From: "Jon Langeler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 6:59:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!!

There's like 3 online based billing/accounting systems out there. Give them a 
try.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Dec 4, 2015, at 1:35 AM, Brett A Mansfield  
> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a good billing solution that is cheap and I can have up in 
> running immediately.
>
> I've had far too many issues with my current billing system.
>
> I need something turnkey and cheap. My WISP is a fairly small operation.
>
> I am not willing to pay per sub, especially if there is a minimum like visp. 
> I don't want to buy any new hardware. I looked at platypus, but it cannot be 
> deployed easily or quickly. I looked at powercode, but I don't want to buy 
> any new hardware.
>
> Is there anything out there that might fit my needs? Or should I just go back 
> to manual invoicing with quickbooks?
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
 
 

[AFMUG] how to setup airgateway correctly

[Tim Reichhart]

How can I setup the airgateway correctly because I am having problems 
connecting my powerbeam while connected to airgateway.

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] TV

[Tim Reichhart]

Chuck 
also hit me off list I am interested

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/10/15 01:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

Chuck, im interested in more details! ping me offlist
 
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 
Me...
Offlist if you want to get into the nitty gritty. 
  
 
 
From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV
 
 
 
 

Interesting.  Who do I need to talk to about this?
 
Rory
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

 

Currently we have the Utah channels in there.  Importation and adding to the 
stream is technically easy.  

The local company (you) has to bear the cost of transport of the distant 
signals if you want them.  

 

From: Jeremy 

Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:54 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV
 
 

 
 

When I talked to them they had East coast or West coast locals.  So the times 
would not be the same as your local channels, but you could still get ABC, NBC, 
and CBS.


 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

If your wireless can support Netflix, it will support RealchoiceTV.  

Yes, locals can be added.  That takes a bit more work on the administrative 
/content rights end.  But technically easy to do.  

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:32 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV
 
 

 
 

If it only takes as much bandwidth as NetFlix, has it been tested over 
wireless?  Also, can it add local channels?
 
Rory
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

 

You will be hearing more about it... ;-)

 

 

From: Mathew Howard

Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:28 AM

To: af

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV
 
 

 
 

This sounds interesting... I'd like to hear more about it.

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Generally speaking, good margins with zero effort. 

Retail is competitive. 

Will have to exchange some documents with you to get specific. 

If interested we can take this offlist. 

 

From: Keefe John

Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV
 
 
 

 
 

How does the retail pricing compare to cable and satellite?

What are the margins for the reseller?
On 12/10/2015 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 


No, and no IGMP, no risk, just a product you can brand and sell to your 
customers.  Takes no more BW than a Netflix stream when it is being used. 

 

From: Keefe John

Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:12 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV
 
 

 
 
 

is there a head-end cost?
On 12/10/2015 8:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 


I can somewhat speak for the product and company. 

It IS the perfect solution. 

 

From: Jason Pond

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:11 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV
 
 

 
 
 

I have been trying to get these guys to e-mail me back with no response.
 

He was at WISPAPALOOZA for one day in ServerPlus's booth and I got a card.

 

Looks like the perfect solution.
 

 

Sincerely,
 
Jason Pond

immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. 
Thank you.
 

 
 

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

Anyone use these guys for TV?

http://www.realchoice.tv/mdu/ 

 
 
 
 

  
 

  
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[AFMUG] my miktrotik routers are not getting full speed

[Tim Reichhart]

Guys
I have been seeing an weird issue with my miktrotik not getting full speeds 
what I mean by that is I have 50meg package from my upstream provider and I 
only can get upto 25megs noting more then that. I have latest firmware on the 
routers one router I am using RB1100ahx2 and other one is rb750.

Any suggestions or clues on this?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] my miktrotik routers are not getting full speed

[Tim Reichhart]

Adam
my package is 50x50 and how can I tell if its duplex mismatch?
Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: "Adam Moffett"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 12/11/15 09:04 AM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my miktrotik routers are not getting full speed 
> 
> Duplex mismatch?
> Provider has you configured for the wrong package?
> 
> On 12/11/2015 9:00 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
> > Guys
> > I have been seeing an weird issue with my miktrotik not getting full speeds 
> > what I mean by that is I have 50meg package from my upstream provider and I 
> > only can get upto 25megs noting more then that. I have latest firmware on 
> > the routers one router I am using RB1100ahx2 and other one is rb750.
> >
> > Any suggestions or clues on this?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Re: [AFMUG] my miktrotik routers are not getting full speed

[Tim Reichhart]

Paul
Yes I am doing nat so by putting this code into my router will it give me my 
full speed.

-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my miktrotik routers are not getting full speed
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 2015/12/11 15:38:00

Tim,

Is the Mikrotik doing NAT?  if so, look at this ...

Must be on 6.29 on above…

/ip firewall filter
add chain=forward action=fasttrack-connection 
connection-state=established,related
add chain=forward action=accept connection-state=established,related
add chain=forward action=drop connection-state=invalid



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] my miktrotik routers are not getting full speed

Guys
I have been seeing an weird issue with my miktrotik not getting full speeds 
what I mean by that is I have 50meg package from my upstream provider and I 
only can get upto 25megs noting more then that. I have latest firmware on the 
routers one router I am using RB1100ahx2 and other one is rb750.

Any suggestions or clues on this?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] OT Parker

[Tim Reichhart]

i think parker will kick todds ass this season reason why I say that is because 
parker did 3mil last year and I also think he will bring around 4mil where is 
todd will fall short of this cocky goal.


-Original Message- 
> From: "Jay Weekley"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 12/11/15 11:46 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Parker 
> 
> He's going through some growing pains.
> 
> Chuck McCown wrote:
> > I hope Parker kicks Todd’s ass this season.

[AFMUG] traffic shaping question

[Tim Reichhart]

I have an traffic shaping question where would I place my traffic shaping at 
core router or remote router since I am using miktroik routers
 

[AFMUG] best qos/virus/geoip script for mikrotik

[Tim Reichhart]

I am looking for best qos/virus/geoip script for mikrotik if there is any out 
there.

[AFMUG] ospf not passing on PBE-AC-500

[Tim Reichhart]

guys my ospf network is not passing traffic after replacing the links from 
powerbeam m5 400 to pbe-ac-500 I have the latest version of firmware on the 500 
ac. What can I do get it back up? I am using miktroik routers.

Re: [AFMUG] ospf not passing on PBE-AC-500

[Tim Reichhart]

Where is this at because I have 7.1.4xc firmware on both of them.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/22/15 06:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf not passing on PBE-AC-500

On the newer firmware, it's a checkbox labeled "transparent bridging". Required 
for OSPF.


bp  On 12/22/2015 3:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
Make sure WDS is enabled on both sides?
 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
Are you filtering multicast?
 


> On Dec 22, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Tim Reichhart  
> wrote:
>
> guys my ospf network is not passing traffic after replacing the links from 
> powerbeam m5 400 to pbe-ac-500 I have the latest version of firmware on the 
> 500 ac. What can I do get it back up? I am using miktroik routers.
>
>
>
>
>

 
 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] ospf not passing on PBE-AC-500

[Tim Reichhart]

Mathew
I am running PTP.


-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 12/22/15 06:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf not passing on PBE-AC-500

I don't think you can disable transparent bridging on the AC radios... but we 
have OSPF working fine over several links. Are you running them PTP or PTMP 
mode?

 
 
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:
Where is this at because I have 7.1.4xc firmware on both of them.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/22/15 06:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf not passing on PBE-AC-500

On the newer firmware, it's a checkbox labeled "transparent bridging". Required 
for OSPF.


bp 
On 12/22/2015 3:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
Make sure WDS is enabled on both sides?
 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

 On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
Are you filtering multicast?

 


> On Dec 22, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Tim Reichhart  
> wrote:
>
> guys my ospf network is not passing traffic after replacing the links from 
> powerbeam m5 400 to pbe-ac-500 I have the latest version of firmware on the 
> 500 ac. What can I do get it back up? I am using miktroik routers.
>
>
>
>
>

 
 
 


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[AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Tim Reichhart]

I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Tim Reichhart]

Cameron
I use static internal IP addresses. Like 10.50.x.x to the customers.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list and 
web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way. 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.

Tim





 
 

Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Tim Reichhart]

I am sure that does cost but I am looking for an free open source setup.

-Original Message-
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

I've been looking for that URL for about a year.. my Google-fu failed me. You 
ever tried using them Chuck?

On 12/29/2015 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 
 
http://www.perftech.com/
  
 
  From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
 
 
 
 
 If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list and 
web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.

Tim





 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Tim Reichhart]

That is what I want to do josh but whats the correct code to do this.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

Why not use the Mikrotik...?
 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
 
I am sure that does cost but I am looking for an free open source setup.

-Original Message-
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

I've been looking for that URL for about a year.. my Google-fu failed me. You 
ever tried using them Chuck?


On 12/29/2015 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 
  
http://www.perftech.com/

 
  
 From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
  
  
 
  
  If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list and 
web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
  
 
 On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.

Tim





 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Tim Reichhart]

Cameron
do I need to make an separate list for suspended customer name with ip address 
with this code?

Tim  


-Original Message-
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 01:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

and that nat rule needs to be at the top of your rules.
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
Here is the setup script...obviously you need to adjust the urls and address 
range on the last line to fit your needs.

/ip firewall filter
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
"Allow Proxy - redirect suspended users" disabled=no dst-port=16099 \
protocol=tcp
add action=jump chain=forward disabled=no jump-target=Suspended \
src-address-list=suspended
add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-port=443 protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no  \
dst-port=53 protocol=udp
add action=log chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-address-list=!PaymentGateway \
limit=5/1m,10 log-prefix=""
add action=reject chain=Suspended disabled=no reject-with=\
icmp-admin-prohibited


/ip firewall nat
add action=redirect chain=dstnat comment="Redirect Rule for suspend users - 
chan\
ge To Address under action to portal page" disabled=no dst-port=80 \
protocol=tcp src-address-list=suspended to-ports=16099
    
/ip proxy
set always-from-cache=no cache-administrator=webmaster cache-hit-dscp=4 
cache-on-disk=no enabled=\
yes max-cache-size=none max-client-connections=600 max-fresh-time=3d 
max-server-connections=\
600 parent-proxy=0.0.0.0 parent-proxy-port=0 port=16099 
serialize-connections=no src-address=\
0.0.0.0
/ip proxy access
add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=www.mycompany.com 
add action=deny disabled=no 
redirect-to=https://www.mycompany.com/redirectpage.html src-address=\
10.x.x.x/x
 
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
 
With everyone switching to "devices" and "apps", some people never see a 
redirect or in-browser notification.  If it doesn't show up on the Xbox, Roku, 
Smart TV, or iPhone app, they never see it.
  
 
 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.perftech.com/
  
 
 
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
 
 
 
 
 If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list and 
web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.

Tim





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn

[Tim Reichhart]

Philip that requires an static IP for one customer fyi.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Philip Rankin" 
To: af 
Date: 01/05/16 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn

I have used open dns pretty successfully.
 
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Upsidedownternet :)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Jan 5, 2016 9:40 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  
wrote:

Google 'obfsproxy' , it can be used with a self hosted tor relay or openvpn. 
Make all your net traffic look like http (not HTTPS) cat jpegs.On Jan 5, 2016 
5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Yup. If you really want to get around VPN blockers, proxies, and things like 
ssh tunnels... It's really hard when the person you want to block controls both 
ends of the tunnel.On Jan 4, 2016 3:00 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" 
 wrote:
It takes some fairly deep packet inspection to 'block' an openvpn server 
running in TCP mode (not the default UDP) on port 443. I have an openvpn 
instance for just this purpose, in case I get stuck somewhere like a wifi 
captive portal in an airport lounge behind an overly restrictive firewall.
 
 
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2084381/blocking-vpn-students-blocked-websites.html






Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net


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xISP Solutions- Consulting - Data Centers - Bandwidth

 
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On Jan 4, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:


 
As an ISP why are you wasting your time 'blocking' anything other than standard 
ACLs like port 139/windows file sharing?  It's not your duty or responsibility. 
If people want to implement their own firewall at their self-owned router/CPE, 
let them, or if they want to buy some net nanny software for their end point 
device, that's their responsibility.


An ISP is a pipe.
 
 
 On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house.  
The person who has the 'problem' is tech savvy, and is using VPN Services.  Is 
there any way to block someone like this?  I'm guessing any content filtering 
wouldn't work because the VPN is terminating on the computer behind the router. 
 Any sort of IP or DNS Block they would be able to bypass.  Is there any way to 
stop a tech person from getting what they want?  Right now our only thought is 
to put in like a 10k/s queue on their connection during the overnight hours.  
Other options?
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn

[Tim Reichhart]

Philip I know what program your talking about and it only takes one smart kid 
to remove it.



-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn
From: "Philip Rankin" 
To: af 
Date: 01/06/16 04:33:16am

Not really.  There is a little program that open dns supplies that keeps the 
network info current with them.  It all works very well. 
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:
Philip that requires an static IP for one customer fyi.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "Philip Rankin" 
To: af 
Date: 01/05/16 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn

I have used open dns pretty successfully. 
 On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
Upsidedownternet :)Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 5, 2016 9:40 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  
wrote:Google 'obfsproxy' , it can be used with a self hosted tor relay or 
openvpn. Make all your net traffic look like http (not HTTPS) cat jpegs. On Jan 
5, 2016 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:Yup. If you 
really want to get around VPN blockers, proxies, and things like ssh tunnels... 
It's really hard when the person you want to block controls both ends of the 
tunnel. On Jan 4, 2016 3:00 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:It 
takes some fairly deep packet inspection to 'block' an openvpn server running 
in TCP mode (not the default UDP) on port 443. I have an openvpn instance for 
just this purpose, in case I get stuck somewhere like a wifi captive portal in 
an airport lounge behind an overly restrictive firewall.
  
 On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2084381/blocking-vpn-students-blocked-websites.html


Justin wilsonj...@mtin.net
---
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Bandwidth

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On Jan 4, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
 As an ISP why are you wasting your time 'blocking' anything other than 
standard ACLs like port 139/windows file sharing? It's not your duty or 
responsibility. If people want to implement their own firewall at their 
self-owned router/CPE, let them, or if they want to buy some net nanny software 
for their end point device, that's their responsibility.

An ISP is a pipe.
  
 On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house. The 
person who has the 'problem' is tech savvy, and is using VPN Services. Is there 
any way to block someone like this? I'm guessing any content filtering wouldn't 
work because the VPN is terminating on the computer behind the router. Any sort 
of IP or DNS Block they would be able to bypass. Is there any way to stop a 
tech person from getting what they want? Right now our only thought is to put 
in like a 10k/s queue on their connection during the overnight hours. Other 
options?
 
  
  
 

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PO Box 24
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Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

[Tim Reichhart]

stay way from matrixstream because I have been in talks with them for few weeks 
again and they wont talk to small wisps they are into larger telcos and they 
are only at 40 channels and they dont have any local channels and if you want 
to add local channels you have to get retransmission's rights and they said I 
would have to spend 24k just to do this then you have to have 75k to 100k 
servers from them to do this. I am also in talks with somebody local who does 
IPTV they said they can do standard IPTV with 3meg and HD with 6megs with vlan 
setup.

Tim 


-Original Message-
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/07/16 09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

Not realchoice.

MatrixStream. Do you have a MatrixStream IPTV system working that I can see?

ryan


On 1/7/16 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 
 
Oh, I will gladly take your $5K...
Realchoice really does work and it is the solution.  Transport is an issue.
And I am leaning on them to add a feature. 
  
 
  From: D. Ryan Spott 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV
 
 
 
 
 I offered $5000 to them to show me ANYONE with a working system that I could 
look at ANYWHERE or just talk to. NOTHING.

Aaron? STILL contacts me over 5 years after I originally inquired on this 
system/device.

I stopped by 2 of their offices in San Francisco about 2 years ago. One was a 
Regus building and the other was a cheap tilt-up building.

The Regus reception said there was no one of that company in her records. She 
may have been trained to say that.

The tilt up building in S. San Francisco had a few people in it that tried 
selling me odd LED keychains and other Chinese 'new to market' items.

One of the folks in the back carried out a matrixstream device covered in dust. 
They did not know what it was for or what it did. We plugged it into the TV 
with no response. We opened the device. It was pretty much a plastic shell.

Not impressed. RUN.

And yes, you have to negotiate all your media / retransmit contracts.

ryan


On 1/7/16 3:31 PM, Josh Corson wrote:
 
Anyone ever use them? I've looked into this in the past but wasn't sure if they 
provided the content or if we had to do all the legwork and then use their 
pretty little boxes..
 

https://www.matrixstream.com/
 

--
 Josh Corson
Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com

o. 573.355.5381573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073573.259.3073
 



-- D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc broadband | telco | colo | communities PO Box 
1734 Sultan, WA 98294 425-939-0047425-939-0047 
 



-- D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc broadband | telco | colo | communities PO Box 
1734 Sultan, WA 98294 425-939-0047425-939-0047Call
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Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

[Tim Reichhart]

Mike
shoot me an email off list about this please.

Thanks Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/07/16 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com


 
 From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV


Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:
 
If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.
If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is about 
2 gbps full time. 
  
 
 
From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 
 
 
 How much transport is required and where in utah?
 
 
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 
Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 
  
 
 
From: Josh Corson 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 
 
 
 We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do you 
think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 
Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.
So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns out 
that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods.
 
If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.  
  
 
 
From: Josh Corson
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 
 
 
 Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an apartment 
complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if Realchoice has 
gotten back to anyone.


On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:
 
You are.
  
 
 
From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 
 
 
Chuck,
 
Put me on the list
 
Thanks!
 
 



 
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 

 
 
 
 
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:
 
Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with the WISPs 
but they don't move at the pace I am used to. 
They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something direct. 
  
 
 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 
 
 
 " still awaiting? "   hum ,,,try this,
I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice before proceeding with..
 
Ducking under my phone
 
 
 
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
 
 
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Have not forgot about everyone.  Still awaiting a document from Realchoice 
before I can proceed. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


--
 Josh Corson
Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com

o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073
 
 
 
 
 



--
 Josh Corson
Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com

o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

[Tim Reichhart]

The issue I am seeing right now is that it will not work over on wireless ap to 
wireless cpe. The 2 companies I already spoken to said that: 1 its going to 
cost about 100k to do with licensing and servers 2. always 2-5meg connections 
and your going have to have at lease 2-3gb fiber connection line to there 
office to do this.  Unless realchoice tv is able to do something that is not 
going to cost 100k to start up. Its better suited to be on dsl or fiber 
connection I dont think WISP's would be able to do iptv.

Tim 

-Original Message-
From: "Paul Stewart" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/08/16 03:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 
Very interesting. Thanks…
 
Quite likely HLS using H265 - very cool stuff, quite "cutting edge"..
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

HLS is the only thing I know for certain. 

 

From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

H.265 by chance or just H.264?
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

Yes, you only need a connection.

 

From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:34 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

So the big attraction to them is that you don't need your own 
middleware/encryption/channel guide etc and to develop the STB application?  
Just curious…
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV

 

It is wholesale IPTV but via Android and the Nexus box with app.

The cool  thing is the ability to go back in time with the on screen display tv 
guide. 

 

From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

Are they doing anything special or just wholesale IPTV? There's already at 
least one network doing wholesale IPTV in Cermak already.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com





From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:44:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
Is their headend in a datacenter or well connected to major networks already?  
We have 2gigs of unused transport into 350 Cermak currently, wonder if it would 
be easy to get to from there.
On Jan 7, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

If you are taking just the streams in use, it is about 5 mbps per stream.

If you are taking the whole feed with an edge server at your site, it is about 
2 gbps full time. 

 

From: Chris Fabien

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

How much transport is required and where in utah?

 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yes if you have very low cost transport to Utah, so that probably means no. 

 

From: Josh Corson

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:22 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

We are in Missouri...they are suppose to move customers in June 1st...do you 
think we will have the option to get this prior to then?

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Right now they are in the midst of a headend move.

So far you will have to be able to get transport to their headend.  Turns out 
that the content providers are still unhappy with various tunneling and VPN 
methods.

 

If you are in Utah you can probably get the feed.  

 

From: Josh Corson

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:15 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

Did anyone get any more info on this? We are about to go into an apartment 
complex and they want us to offer TV service and was curious if Realchoice has 
gotten back to anyone.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

You are.

 

From: Erich Kaiser

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:56 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

Chuck,
 

Put me on the list

 

Thanks!

 

 

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291


 
 

 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Yeah, I just threw it in their laps.  The wanted me to mediate with the WISPs 
but they don't move at the pace I am used to. 

They have all your email addresses.  Hopefully you will get something direct. 

 

From: Jaime Solorza

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:59 PM

To: Animal Farm

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Realchoice TV
 
 

 
 

" still awaiting? "   hum ,,,try this,
I am still waiting on a document from RealChoice bef

Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

[Tim Reichhart]

Simple answer is no but if you have skype message this guy: marrdonmiller also 
they have cloud setup but you have to peer with them down there in tampa fl to 
get there streaming live stuff.


-Original Message-
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/08/16 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

Have they actually given you the name of _any_ of their customers?

ryan

On 1/8/16 10:22 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
 
stay way from matrixstream because I have been in talks with them for few weeks 
again and they wont talk to small wisps they are into larger telcos and they 
are only at 40 channels and they dont have any local channels and if you want 
to add local channels you have to get retransmission's rights and they said I 
would have to spend 24k just to do this then you have to have 75k to 100k 
servers from them to do this. I am also in talks with somebody local who does 
IPTV they said they can do standard IPTV with 3meg and HD with 6megs with vlan 
setup.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/07/16 09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

Not realchoice.

MatrixStream. Do you have a MatrixStream IPTV system working that I can see?

ryan


On 1/7/16 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 
 
Oh, I will gladly take your $5K...
Realchoice really does work and it is the solution. Transport is an issue.
And I am leaning on them to add a feature. 
  
 
  From: D. Ryan Spott 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV
 
 
 
 
 I offered $5000 to them to show me ANYONE with a working system that I could 
look at ANYWHERE or just talk to. NOTHING.

Aaron? STILL contacts me over 5 years after I originally inquired on this 
system/device.

I stopped by 2 of their offices in San Francisco about 2 years ago. One was a 
Regus building and the other was a cheap tilt-up building.

The Regus reception said there was no one of that company in her records. She 
may have been trained to say that.

The tilt up building in S. San Francisco had a few people in it that tried 
selling me odd LED keychains and other Chinese 'new to market' items.

One of the folks in the back carried out a matrixstream device covered in dust. 
They did not know what it was for or what it did. We plugged it into the TV 
with no response. We opened the device. It was pretty much a plastic shell.

Not impressed. RUN.

And yes, you have to negotiate all your media / retransmit contracts.

ryan


On 1/7/16 3:31 PM, Josh Corson wrote:
 
Anyone ever use them? I've looked into this in the past but wasn't sure if they 
provided the content or if we had to do all the legwork and then use their 
pretty little boxes..
 

https://www.matrixstream.com/
 

--
 Josh Corson
Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
bluebitnetworks.com

o. 573.355.5381573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073573.259.3073
 



-- D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc broadband | telco | colo | communities PO Box 
1734 Sultan, WA 98294425-939-0047425-939-0047 
 

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1734 Sultan, WA 98294425-939-0047425-939-0047 Call
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Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

[Tim Reichhart]

Sorry for bringing this back up but what happens if customer is using " Xbox, 
Roku, Smart TV, or iPhone app or Android apps" how would I block/suspend them 
customers then?

Tim 


-Original Message-
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 02:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik

Yes. When you add an ip to the a list, if you've ever created that list before 
or rules that deal with the list, it will be available in the dropdown for the 
list name. Alternatively, you can type it in. Keep in mind it is case 
sensitive. We automate this through Wispmon so when a customer gets suspended, 
it ssh's to the router and runs the command

/ip firewall address-list add address=10.x.x.x list=suspended
 




 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
When you add the firewall rules you'll "create" the address-list.  When you add 
IPs to it, you'll see it in the drop down menu (I'd suggest this over typing it 
when adding IPs to rule out mistakes).
 

 


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

 On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
 Cameron
do I need to make an separate list for suspended customer name with ip address 
with this code?

Tim 


-Original Message-
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/29/15 01:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik


and that nat rule needs to be at the top of your rules.
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

 
Here is the setup script...obviously you need to adjust the urls and address 
range on the last line to fit your needs.

/ip firewall filter
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
"Allow Proxy - redirect suspended users" disabled=no dst-port=16099 \
protocol=tcp
add action=jump chain=forward disabled=no jump-target=Suspended \
src-address-list=suspended
add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-port=443 protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=Suspended disabled=no \
dst-port=53 protocol=udp
add action=log chain=Suspended disabled=no dst-address-list=!PaymentGateway \
limit=5/1m,10 log-prefix=""
add action=reject chain=Suspended disabled=no reject-with=\
icmp-admin-prohibited


/ip firewall nat
add action=redirect chain=dstnat comment="Redirect Rule for suspend users - 
chan\
ge To Address under action to portal page" disabled=no dst-port=80 \
protocol=tcp src-address-list=suspended to-ports=16099
 
/ip proxy
set always-from-cache=no cache-administrator=webmaster cache-hit-dscp=4 
cache-on-disk=no enabled=\
yes max-cache-size=none max-client-connections=600 max-fresh-time=3d 
max-server-connections=\
600 parent-proxy=0.0.0.0 parent-proxy-port=0 port=16099 
serialize-connections=no src-address=\
0.0.0.0
/ip proxy access
add action=allow disabled=no dst-host=www.mycompany.com 
add action=deny disabled=no 
redirect-to=https://www.mycompany.com/redirectpage.html src-address=\
10.x.x.x/x
 
 
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
 
 
 
With everyone switching to "devices" and "apps", some people never see a 
redirect or in-browser notification. If it doesn't show up on the Xbox, Roku, 
Smart TV, or iPhone app, they never see it.
 
  
 
 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
 
 
 
 
  
http://www.perftech.com/
  
 
 
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] redirect customers ip to nonpayment page on miktroik
 
 
 
 
 If your customers have static ip assignments you can use an address list and 
web proxy. If not, then there probably is no other way.
 
 
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I am looking to redirect customers ip to non-payment page on miktroik and I do 
nat at core router and i dont have radius setup.

Tim





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[AFMUG] wind mill farm question

[Tim Reichhart]

Guys
I just want to know if I am going have any issues with placing tower around an 
wind mill farm or not? I just want to know if I am going have interference or 
getting signal to customers from tower going through an wind mill farm?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

[Tim Reichhart]

I dont think chris is wanting go out of business

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/18/15 02:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

 
The distributor we buyed cluster mount replaced them with RF-Shielding …
 
 
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Freitag, 18. September 2015 07:59
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing
 
is he wanting to go out of business?

 
--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 

[AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

[Tim Reichhart]

I am having an weird issues with my PowerBeam 5AC 500 with ospf traffic not 
passing through and I am using these PowerBeam 5AC 500 as backhauls and they 
are connected to mikrotik. I am running firmware 7.1.4xc and not doing nbma 
setup.

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

[Tim Reichhart]

See there isnt no option for WDS in 7.1.4 me and justin wilson looked and ubnt 
did away from this on 7.x firmware.

-Original Message- 
> From: "Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 09/24/15 10:45 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing 
> 
> I find you need WDS enabled
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
> Sent: Friday, 25 September 2015 12:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing
> 
> I am having an weird issues with my PowerBeam 5AC 500 with ospf traffic not 
> passing through and I am using these PowerBeam 5AC 500 as backhauls and they 
> are connected to mikrotik. I am running firmware 7.1.4xc and not doing nbma 
> setup.
> 
> Tim

Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

[Tim Reichhart]

so if the multicast filtering can cause ospf not to work correctly? Even there 
is no option for wds on the newer firmware?

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: "George Skorup"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 09/24/15 10:53 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing 
> 
> Does this new 11ac stuff have multicast filtering like the M series? I 
> think it's on the advanced tab. I made that mistake once.
> 
> On 9/24/2015 9:44 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) wrote:
> > I find you need WDS enabled
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
> > Sent: Friday, 25 September 2015 12:32 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing
> >
> > I am having an weird issues with my PowerBeam 5AC 500 with ospf traffic not 
> > passing through and I am using these PowerBeam 5AC 500 as backhauls and 
> > they are connected to mikrotik. I am running firmware 7.1.4xc and not doing 
> > nbma setup.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

[Tim Reichhart]

Peter
if it drops how do I fix that issue?

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: "Peter Kranz"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 09/24/15 11:00 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing 
> 
> This should be relatively easy to diagnose using onboard tcpdump to determine 
> where the OSPF hello packets are being dropped.
> 
> -PK

Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

[Tim Reichhart]

Mathew
please tell me how you got it to work because me and justin wilson is having 
hell of time getting my backhaul link to pass the ospf.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/25/15 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

that makes sense
 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

Links by default now run under WDS.. So they removed the ability to disable it.
 
-PK
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 9:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing
 

I'm poking at eoip tunnels with ospf inside

 

why did they remove wds?
 

 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:11 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

I don't have any of the ac radios, only M. Does it have Multicast Data - Allow 
All (check box)? If that's unchecked, then multicast will not be allowed over 
the RF interface, thus OSPF (which is multicast) will not work.

Other than that, are you sure you have MT OSPF configured correctly? If not 
that, then I have no idea. Kick it in the pants?

On 9/24/2015 9:58 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
so if the multicast filtering can cause ospf not to work correctly? Even there 
is no option for wds on the newer firmware?

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/24/15 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

Does this new 11ac stuff have multicast filtering like the M series? I
think it's on the advanced tab. I made that mistake once.

On 9/24/2015 9:44 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) wrote:
I find you need WDS enabled


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

I am having an weird issues with my PowerBeam 5AC 500 with ospf traffic not 
passing through and I am using these PowerBeam 5AC 500 as backhauls and they 
are connected to mikrotik. I am running firmware 7.1.4xc and not doing nbma 
setup.

Tim








 
 



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 

Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

[Tim Reichhart]

Mathew
I am running PTP mode.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 09/25/15 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

I didn't do anything - they just worked. Are you running them in PTP mode, or 
PTMP?
 
 
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:
Mathew
please tell me how you got it to work because me and justin wilson is having 
hell of time getting my backhaul link to pass the ospf.

Tim



-Original Message-
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/25/15 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

that makes sense
 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

Links by default now run under WDS.. So they removed the ability to disable it.
 
-PK
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 9:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing
 

I'm poking at eoip tunnels with ospf inside

 

why did they remove wds?
 

 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:11 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

I don't have any of the ac radios, only M. Does it have Multicast Data - Allow 
All (check box)? If that's unchecked, then multicast will not be allowed over 
the RF interface, thus OSPF (which is multicast) will not work.

Other than that, are you sure you have MT OSPF configured correctly? If not 
that, then I have no idea. Kick it in the pants?

On 9/24/2015 9:58 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
so if the multicast filtering can cause ospf not to work correctly? Even there 
is no option for wds on the newer firmware?

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/24/15 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

Does this new 11ac stuff have multicast filtering like the M series? I
think it's on the advanced tab. I made that mistake once.

On 9/24/2015 9:44 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) wrote:
I find you need WDS enabled


-Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

I am having an weird issues with my PowerBeam 5AC 500 with ospf traffic not 
passing through and I am using these PowerBeam 5AC 500 as backhauls and they 
are connected to mikrotik. I am running firmware 7.1.4xc and not doing nbma 
setup.

Tim








 
 



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 



--


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

[Tim Reichhart]

Mathew
I am running it under PTP mode.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 09/25/15 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

I didn't do anything - they just worked. Are you running them in PTP mode, or 
PTMP?
 
 
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:
Mathew
please tell me how you got it to work because me and justin wilson is having 
hell of time getting my backhaul link to pass the ospf.

Tim



-Original Message-
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/25/15 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

that makes sense
 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

Links by default now run under WDS.. So they removed the ability to disable it.
 
-PK
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 9:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing
 

I'm poking at eoip tunnels with ospf inside

 

why did they remove wds?
 

 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:11 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

I don't have any of the ac radios, only M. Does it have Multicast Data - Allow 
All (check box)? If that's unchecked, then multicast will not be allowed over 
the RF interface, thus OSPF (which is multicast) will not work.

Other than that, are you sure you have MT OSPF configured correctly? If not 
that, then I have no idea. Kick it in the pants?

On 9/24/2015 9:58 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
so if the multicast filtering can cause ospf not to work correctly? Even there 
is no option for wds on the newer firmware?

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/24/15 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

Does this new 11ac stuff have multicast filtering like the M series? I
think it's on the advanced tab. I made that mistake once.

On 9/24/2015 9:44 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) wrote:
I find you need WDS enabled


-Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

I am having an weird issues with my PowerBeam 5AC 500 with ospf traffic not 
passing through and I am using these PowerBeam 5AC 500 as backhauls and they 
are connected to mikrotik. I am running firmware 7.1.4xc and not doing nbma 
setup.

Tim








 
 



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 



--


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

[Tim Reichhart]

Mathew
I am running my links in PTP mode but I am splitting my backhauls in /29 on 
each interface I dont know if that would cause any problems.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 09/25/15 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

I didn't do anything - they just worked. Are you running them in PTP mode, or 
PTMP?
 
 
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:
Mathew
please tell me how you got it to work because me and justin wilson is having 
hell of time getting my backhaul link to pass the ospf.

Tim



-Original Message-
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/25/15 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

that makes sense
 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

Links by default now run under WDS.. So they removed the ability to disable it.
 
-PK
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 9:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing
 

I'm poking at eoip tunnels with ospf inside

 

why did they remove wds?
 

 
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:11 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

I don't have any of the ac radios, only M. Does it have Multicast Data - Allow 
All (check box)? If that's unchecked, then multicast will not be allowed over 
the RF interface, thus OSPF (which is multicast) will not work.

Other than that, are you sure you have MT OSPF configured correctly? If not 
that, then I have no idea. Kick it in the pants?

On 9/24/2015 9:58 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
so if the multicast filtering can cause ospf not to work correctly? Even there 
is no option for wds on the newer firmware?

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/24/15 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

Does this new 11ac stuff have multicast filtering like the M series? I
think it's on the advanced tab. I made that mistake once.

On 9/24/2015 9:44 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) wrote:
I find you need WDS enabled


-Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ospf issues with pbe-5ac-500 not passing

I am having an weird issues with my PowerBeam 5AC 500 with ospf traffic not 
passing through and I am using these PowerBeam 5AC 500 as backhauls and they 
are connected to mikrotik. I am running firmware 7.1.4xc and not doing nbma 
setup.

Tim








 
 



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 



--


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Eclipse had begun!

[Tim Reichhart]

I can see it clearly here in coldwater ohio


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 09/27/15 09:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eclipse had begun!

fucking mosquitoes are out in swarmsfire time
 

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
 

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
clear here
 

 Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
 

 On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:


Clear vantage point for me in Ohio!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 

[AFMUG] Best way to mount 2 1/2 emt pipe

[Tim Reichhart]

What's the best away to mount an 2 1/2 in emt 10ft pipe to concrete grain silo?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] Best way to mount 2 1/2 emt pipe

[Tim Reichhart]

Ok what can I use to attach the unstrut?


-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best way to mount 2 1/2 emt pipe
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 2015/10/12 17:29:34

Unistrut

-Original Message----- 
From: Tim Reichhart
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Best way to mount 2 1/2 emt pipe

What's the best away to mount an 2 1/2 in emt 10ft pipe to concrete grain 
silo?

Tim

[AFMUG] I need second set of eyes to see if this link would work

[Tim Reichhart]

I need an second set of eyes to see if this link would work if your willing to 
look at it hit me off list about it.

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] the new airlink

[Tim Reichhart]

Matt
that would be great if you guys can add terrain/clutter data to airlink!!!

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Matt Hardy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 10/14/15 07:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the new airlink

Right now it's using the elevation data from the Google Maps API. So it's 
probably not going to include everything yet. There have been some discussions 
on adding terrain / clutter data to the calculations though...
 
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
Not sure where the terrain data is from though, I have yet to get it to show me 
a NLOS link, even on paths that I know are NLOS.  And it would be great if 
there was a way to add a 'blanket' foliage to the path.  Like take Ground 
elevation +60 ft, and show me that path.  Oh, and Call me an Imperialist, but 
I'd like to see a M/ft Toggle. 

 




On 10/14/2015 12:01 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
 

Yeah! It's like it isn't 1999 anymore or something.
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] the new airlink
 
https://airlink.ubnt.com/#/
 

wow, this one is very elegant compared to the last one. Its simple and quich 
and i didnt have to install some broken browser addon

 
--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 

 
 
 
 

[AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?

[Tim Reichhart]

I am just wondering if airrouter hp would be able to do this or not? Basically 
I am looking to do is limit bandwidth on each port to 6meg on 10/100 mbps port.

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?

[Tim Reichhart]

Mathew
How miktroik be able to do this? Like with queues or something?

Tim


-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 10/27/15 12:26:12am

A Mikrotik could do it...
  
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
I just realized I missed what you said.  You can do it on the 4 Lan ports 
together or the WAN port or both.  Just can't do each one of the 4 Lan ports 
individually.

Rory
 
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?

yes

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?

I am just wondering if airrouter hp would be able to do this or not? Basically 
I am looking to do is limit bandwidth on each port to 6meg on 10/100 mbps port.

Tim





  
 

Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?

[Tim Reichhart]

Mathew
Would I still be able to get to my network if I go this route? My setup is 
under bridge mode?

Tim

-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 2015/10/27 04:59:52

Yes, you could setup a seperate queue for each interface.
 
 
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:


Mathew
How miktroik be able to do this? Like with queues or something?

Tim


-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 10/27/15 12:26:12am

A Mikrotik could do it...
  
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
I just realized I missed what you said.  You can do it on the 4 Lan ports 
together or the WAN port or both.  Just can't do each one of the 4 Lan ports 
individually.

Rory
 
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?

yes

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?

I am just wondering if airrouter hp would be able to do this or not? Basically 
I am looking to do is limit bandwidth on each port to 6meg on 10/100 mbps port.

Tim





  
 

 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating their own network

[Tim Reichhart]

very interesting you notice they are using ubnt routers and sectors/cpes 


-Original Message-
From: "Ryan Ray" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/02/15 12:20 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating their own 
network

 
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/
 

Re: [AFMUG] ISP Billing and Ticketing System

[Tim Reichhart]

iwisp.gr is creating whole billing and ticketing and monitoring system right 
now as I am speaking.


-Original Message-
From: "Philip Rankin" 
To: af 
Date: 11/05/15 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP Billing and Ticketing System

If anyone's interested, I'd be happy to set them up with a fully operational 
Platypus system.  So versatile and easy to use.  PM mw.
 
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:
 
I suspect it's because there is yet to be a good solution. Their either way 
over priced like visp and powercode, or you need to be or hire an expert with 
Linux and/or security for billmax and platypus.


I'd like to find something low cost and turnkey that is simple and easy to use 
for both my techs and customers...and that works and is out of beta.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
 

On Nov 5, 2015, at 6:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:

 

every 2 weeks
 
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Didn't we just have this thread?
Powercode
Wispmon
Visp
Billmax
Man I'm drawing a blank sorry guys
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 5, 2015 7:24 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
What is everyone using for billing and ticketing?  We are using in
house built database/ticketing and standard accounting package for
billing.  Works ok but would like something that saves time by
bringing everything together.  What are typical per user costs for a
system?
 
 




--


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 
 
 
 



--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762
 
 

[AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip

[Tim Reichhart]

Guys
I am having an issue right now with an routerboard connecting to it by winbox 
ip but can get to it from other routerboard that is inside of the network via 
mac address. Is there something I need to do to make this work?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip

[Tim Reichhart]

Bill
how do allow that via command line on that routerboard?

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: "Bill Prince"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 11/11/15 03:54 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip 
> 
> Check to see if you're allowing winbox on the interface you're using. 
> Can you get in via the MAC address with winbox (specify the MAC address 
> instead of the IP address)?
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 11/11/2015 12:50 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
> > Guys
> > I am having an issue right now with an routerboard connecting to it by 
> > winbox ip but can get to it from other routerboard that is inside of the 
> > network via mac address. Is there something I need to do to make this work?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip

[Tim Reichhart]

Bill
I checked the tool mac-server its showing interfaces is all. So it could be an 
firewall issue? Because I am using RB750 as customers router.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/11/15 04:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip

Make sure the winbox MAC server is running on  the interface you're using:
/tool mac-server mac-winbox
Make sure that you're allowing discovery on the appropriate interface:
/ip neighbor
Make sure you're not locking out any IP ranges you need:
/ip service


bp  On 11/11/2015 12:59 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
 

Bill how do allow that via command line on that routerboard? Tim -Original 
Message- 
From: "Bill Prince"  To: af@afmug.com Date: 11/11/15 03:54 
PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip Check to see if you're 
allowing winbox on the interface you're using. Can you get in via the MAC 
address with winbox (specify the MAC address instead of the IP address)? bp 
 On 11/11/2015 12:50 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
Guys I am having an issue right now with an routerboard connecting to it by 
winbox ip but can get to it from other routerboard that is inside of the 
network via mac address. Is there something I need to do to make this work? Tim 
  

[AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

Hello Guys
I just installed an powerbeam m2 today at customers house and I am getting:

signal strength -61 dBm
noise floor -89 dBm
transmit CCQ 86.4%
tx/rx rate is around 10-39mpbs/58.5-65mbps
Channel width 10MHz
Channel/Frequency 7/2442MHz
Version v5.6.2 (XW)
from the tower to CPE is around 3.5miles

Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

The customer is wanting 8 meg but is only getting 3-4 meg there josh


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


What's the problem..?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 14, 2015 4:20 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
Hello Guys
I just installed an powerbeam m2 today at customers house and I am getting:

signal strength -61 dBm
noise floor -89 dBm
transmit CCQ 86.4%
tx/rx rate is around 10-39mpbs/58.5-65mbps
Channel width 10MHz
Channel/Frequency 7/2442MHz
Version v5.6.2 (XW)
from the tower to CPE is around 3.5miles





 
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Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

Josh
these stats are at the CPE and I even have the rf shields on the AP's and the 
ap's are up 150ft up the air. So it sounds like I am going have to probably 
switch it to 5ghz.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


Looks like noise at the AP being my first thought.  Assuming those stats are 
from the CPE.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 14, 2015 4:27 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
The customer is wanting 8 meg but is only getting 3-4 meg there josh


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


What's the problem..?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 14, 2015 4:20 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
Hello Guys
I just installed an powerbeam m2 today at customers house and I am getting:

signal strength -61 dBm
noise floor -89 dBm
transmit CCQ 86.4%
tx/rx rate is around 10-39mpbs/58.5-65mbps
Channel width 10MHz
Channel/Frequency 7/2442MHz
Version v5.6.2 (XW)
from the tower to CPE is around 3.5miles





 

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Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

Bill
my other sectors at the same tower is on 6,9 should I go with 1 and 11 with 
10mhz?

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

Get it off channel 7. Poke around at the sub end and see what else is on what 
channel. Typically, there will be less noise at channel 1 or 11. Most SOHO 
routers are going to be on channel 6, and putting your stuff on 7 will get 
local interference most of the time.


bp  On 11/14/2015 1:34 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
 
Josh
these stats are at the CPE and I even have the rf shields on the AP's and the 
ap's are up 150ft up the air. So it sounds like I am going have to probably 
switch it to 5ghz.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


Looks like noise at the AP being my first thought. Assuming those stats are 
from the CPE.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 14, 2015 4:27 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
The customer is wanting 8 meg but is only getting 3-4 meg there josh


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


What's the problem..?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 14, 2015 4:20 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
Hello Guys
I just installed an powerbeam m2 today at customers house and I am getting:

signal strength -61 dBm
noise floor -89 dBm
transmit CCQ 86.4%
tx/rx rate is around 10-39mpbs/58.5-65mbps
Channel width 10MHz
Channel/Frequency 7/2442MHz
Version v5.6.2 (XW)
from the tower to CPE is around 3.5miles





 

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Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

I think my issue is my customer little ways from an hill and there is tree in 
my way plus I am only 27 ft at customer house and my tower is 150ft.




-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


5 GHz for LOS.
2 GHz is nearly always through a couple trees or more.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 15, 2015 10:19 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
Yeah, that is strange.  Are these all LOS shots?  I can't get the M2 to go 
through a single tree.  I think it is multipathing working to our advantage 
because of the wider beamwidth.  We don't have near the amount of trees that 
you have, but I have literally had to go back to every Nanobeam M2 install and 
swap them out because of service issues.
 
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Opposite here...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 15, 2015 10:16 AM, "Jeremy"  
wrote:
I have not been impressed with the Nanobeam M2.  I see way better performance 
to a M2 Nanostation and reflector.  The TX rate always suffers (like the link 
you just put in).  This is in contrast to a M5 400 where I see better 
performance than a M5 Nanostation and reflector.
 
 On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

 
I generally set them for whatever is the opposite that AP is on.

They pretty much all come set auto out of the box and I won't find out someone 
got a new router until they complain about the speed or latency.

Most of them we don't have any problems, but there are always a few.
 
 
- Original Message -
 From: Rory Conaway 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems



When we were doing 2.4GHz, we set all the routers in the houses to channel 6, 
no options.  Then we used 1 and 11 for outdoor.
 
Rory
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

 
I've done some playing with the routers recently. I've noticed that auto almost 
always chooses the same channel that my customer's CPE is on.

It appears that the router is looking for the lowest noise level, ignoring the 
fact that the 802.11 signal is strong, but isn't registered as noise.

 

My working theory as to why *every* router on auto hits the channel that feeds 
my customers.

I guess one hitch is I'm running 10MHz channels now, so realistically the 
routers shouldn't be able to see it, though I suppose the sub carriers are 
still the same.

If anyone has any input that'd be awesome.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

 

Customer routers used to mostly default to WiFi channel 6, but now they 
typically are set by default to AUTO and in many cases to use an extension 
channel, so 6+11 or 1+6.  We try to change the customer's router to a fixed 20 
MHz channel on channel 6, then we avoid using the middle of the band for our 
APs.  If your CPE setup is such that customers can hook up a new router and it 
just works, over time they will migrate back to AUTO 20/40 MHz.

 

OK, actually we avoid using 2.4 GHz anymore, but that's what we've done on our 
legacy 2.4 GHz sites.

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems
 
 

 
 

I can't decide that for you. You really need to know what the noise is like at 
each sector. However, when I use 10 MHz channels, I try to take advantage of 
the fact that you're only using a 1/2 channel. You're goig to get better 
results (most of the time) when you're at the edges.



bp

 
On 11/14/2015 1:52 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

Bill
my other sectors at the same tower is on 6,9 should I go with 1 and 11 with 
10mhz?

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

Get it off channel 7. Poke around at the sub end and see what else is on what 
channel. Typically, there will be less noise at channel 1 or 11. Most SOHO 
routers are going to be on channel 6, and putting your stuff on 7 will get 
local interference most of the time.



bp

On 11/14/2015 1:34 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
 

Josh
these stats are at the CPE and I even have the rf shields on the AP's and the 
ap's are up 150ft up the air. So it sounds like I am going have to probably 
switch it to 5ghz.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problem

Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

from what google maps is showing 3-4 miles.


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

At what distance?
 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I think my issue is my customer little ways from an hill and there is tree in 
my way plus I am only 27 ft at customer house and my tower is 150ft.




-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


5 GHz for LOS.
2 GHz is nearly always through a couple trees or more.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 15, 2015 10:19 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
Yeah, that is strange. Are these all LOS shots? I can't get the M2 to go 
through a single tree. I think it is multipathing working to our advantage 
because of the wider beamwidth. We don't have near the amount of trees that you 
have, but I have literally had to go back to every Nanobeam M2 install and swap 
them out because of service issues.
 
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Opposite here...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 15, 2015 10:16 AM, "Jeremy"  
wrote:
I have not been impressed with the Nanobeam M2. I see way better performance to 
a M2 Nanostation and reflector. The TX rate always suffers (like the link you 
just put in). This is in contrast to a M5 400 where I see better performance 
than a M5 Nanostation and reflector.
 
 On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

 
I generally set them for whatever is the opposite that AP is on.

They pretty much all come set auto out of the box and I won't find out someone 
got a new router until they complain about the speed or latency.

Most of them we don't have any problems, but there are always a few.
 
 
- Original Message -
 From: Rory Conaway 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems



When we were doing 2.4GHz, we set all the routers in the houses to channel 6, 
no options. Then we used 1 and 11 for outdoor.
 
Rory
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

 
I've done some playing with the routers recently. I've noticed that auto almost 
always chooses the same channel that my customer's CPE is on.

It appears that the router is looking for the lowest noise level, ignoring the 
fact that the 802.11 signal is strong, but isn't registered as noise.

 

My working theory as to why *every* router on auto hits the channel that feeds 
my customers.

I guess one hitch is I'm running 10MHz channels now, so realistically the 
routers shouldn't be able to see it, though I suppose the sub carriers are 
still the same.

If anyone has any input that'd be awesome.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

 

Customer routers used to mostly default to WiFi channel 6, but now they 
typically are set by default to AUTO and in many cases to use an extension 
channel, so 6+11 or 1+6. We try to change the customer's router to a fixed 20 
MHz channel on channel 6, then we avoid using the middle of the band for our 
APs. If your CPE setup is such that customers can hook up a new router and it 
just works, over time they will migrate back to AUTO 20/40 MHz.

 

OK, actually we avoid using 2.4 GHz anymore, but that's what we've done on our 
legacy 2.4 GHz sites.

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems
 
 

 
 

I can't decide that for you. You really need to know what the noise is like at 
each sector. However, when I use 10 MHz channels, I try to take advantage of 
the fact that you're only using a 1/2 channel. You're goig to get better 
results (most of the time) when you're at the edges.



bp

 
On 11/14/2015 1:52 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

Bill
my other sectors at the same tower is on 6,9 should I go with 1 and 11 with 
10mhz?

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

Get it off channel 7. Poke around at the sub end and see what else is on what 
channel. Typically, there will be less noise at channel 1 or 11. Most SOHO 
routers are going to be on channel 6, and putting your stuff on 7 will get 
local interference most of the time.



bp

On 11/14/2015 1:34 PM, Tim Reichhart w

Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

If I was able to put an rf armor shield on the customers CPE would it change 
anything. I also switch that one sector to channel 1 and I was able to drop it 
from -61 to -55 to -57 but its still flipping the rx/tx from 13-29mbps/65mpbs.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


We do that at lower heights right next door, doubt that's your problem.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 15, 2015 10:42 AM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
from what google maps is showing 3-4 miles.


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

At what distance?
 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I think my issue is my customer little ways from an hill and there is tree in 
my way plus I am only 27 ft at customer house and my tower is 150ft.




-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


5 GHz for LOS.
2 GHz is nearly always through a couple trees or more.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 15, 2015 10:19 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
Yeah, that is strange. Are these all LOS shots? I can't get the M2 to go 
through a single tree. I think it is multipathing working to our advantage 
because of the wider beamwidth. We don't have near the amount of trees that you 
have, but I have literally had to go back to every Nanobeam M2 install and swap 
them out because of service issues.
 
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Opposite here...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 15, 2015 10:16 AM, "Jeremy"  
wrote:
I have not been impressed with the Nanobeam M2. I see way better performance to 
a M2 Nanostation and reflector. The TX rate always suffers (like the link you 
just put in). This is in contrast to a M5 400 where I see better performance 
than a M5 Nanostation and reflector.
 
 On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

 
I generally set them for whatever is the opposite that AP is on.

They pretty much all come set auto out of the box and I won't find out someone 
got a new router until they complain about the speed or latency.

Most of them we don't have any problems, but there are always a few.
 
 
- Original Message -
 From: Rory Conaway 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems



When we were doing 2.4GHz, we set all the routers in the houses to channel 6, 
no options. Then we used 1 and 11 for outdoor.
 
Rory
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

 
I've done some playing with the routers recently. I've noticed that auto almost 
always chooses the same channel that my customer's CPE is on.

It appears that the router is looking for the lowest noise level, ignoring the 
fact that the 802.11 signal is strong, but isn't registered as noise.

 

My working theory as to why *every* router on auto hits the channel that feeds 
my customers.

I guess one hitch is I'm running 10MHz channels now, so realistically the 
routers shouldn't be able to see it, though I suppose the sub carriers are 
still the same.

If anyone has any input that'd be awesome.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

 

Customer routers used to mostly default to WiFi channel 6, but now they 
typically are set by default to AUTO and in many cases to use an extension 
channel, so 6+11 or 1+6. We try to change the customer's router to a fixed 20 
MHz channel on channel 6, then we avoid using the middle of the band for our 
APs. If your CPE setup is such that customers can hook up a new router and it 
just works, over time they will migrate back to AUTO 20/40 MHz.

 

OK, actually we avoid using 2.4 GHz anymore, but that's what we've done on our 
legacy 2.4 GHz sites.

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems
 
 

 
 

I can't decide that for you. You really need to know what the noise is like at 
each sector. However, when I use 10 MHz channels, I try to take advantage of 
the fact that you're only using a 1/2 channel. You're goig to get better 
results (most of the time) when you're 

Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

josh
@ the cpe or @ the sector?


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


Doubt it.  Run an airview first to gather noise readings and then evaluate 
frequency.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 15, 2015 10:59 AM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
If I was able to put an rf armor shield on the customers CPE would it change 
anything. I also switch that one sector to channel 1 and I was able to drop it 
from -61 to -55 to -57 but its still flipping the rx/tx from 13-29mbps/65mpbs.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


We do that at lower heights right next door, doubt that's your problem.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 15, 2015 10:42 AM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
from what google maps is showing 3-4 miles.


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

At what distance?
 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
I think my issue is my customer little ways from an hill and there is tree in 
my way plus I am only 27 ft at customer house and my tower is 150ft.




-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


5 GHz for LOS.
2 GHz is nearly always through a couple trees or more.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 15, 2015 10:19 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
Yeah, that is strange. Are these all LOS shots? I can't get the M2 to go 
through a single tree. I think it is multipathing working to our advantage 
because of the wider beamwidth. We don't have near the amount of trees that you 
have, but I have literally had to go back to every Nanobeam M2 install and swap 
them out because of service issues.
 
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Opposite here...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 15, 2015 10:16 AM, "Jeremy"  
wrote:
I have not been impressed with the Nanobeam M2. I see way better performance to 
a M2 Nanostation and reflector. The TX rate always suffers (like the link you 
just put in). This is in contrast to a M5 400 where I see better performance 
than a M5 Nanostation and reflector.
 
 On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

 
I generally set them for whatever is the opposite that AP is on.

They pretty much all come set auto out of the box and I won't find out someone 
got a new router until they complain about the speed or latency.

Most of them we don't have any problems, but there are always a few.
 
 
- Original Message -
 From: Rory Conaway 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems



When we were doing 2.4GHz, we set all the routers in the houses to channel 6, 
no options. Then we used 1 and 11 for outdoor.
 
Rory
 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

 
I've done some playing with the routers recently. I've noticed that auto almost 
always chooses the same channel that my customer's CPE is on.

It appears that the router is looking for the lowest noise level, ignoring the 
fact that the 802.11 signal is strong, but isn't registered as noise.

 

My working theory as to why *every* router on auto hits the channel that feeds 
my customers.

I guess one hitch is I'm running 10MHz channels now, so realistically the 
routers shouldn't be able to see it, though I suppose the sub carriers are 
still the same.

If anyone has any input that'd be awesome.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

 

Customer routers used to mostly default to WiFi channel 6, but now they 
typically are set by default to AUTO and in many cases to use an extension 
channel, so 6+11 or 1+6. We try to change the customer's router to a fixed 20 
MHz channel on channel 6, then we avoid using the middle of the band for our 
APs. If your CPE setup is such that customers can hook up a new router and it 
just works, over time they will migrate back to AUTO 20/40 MHz.

 

OK, actually we avoid using 2.4 GHz anymore, but that's what we've done on our 
legacy 2

Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Tim Reichhart]

after switching to channel 1 on one of the sectors customer was able to pull 
down 22 meg and 5 meg up with this:
signal strength -55 dBm
Chain 0 / Chain 1: -57  /  -60  dBm 
noise floor -89 dBm
transmit CCQ 86.4%
tx/rx rate is around 13-39mpbs/65mbps
Channel width 10MHz
Channel/Frequency  1  /  2412 MHz 
Version v5.6.2 (XW)
airmax quality 83%
airmax capacity 60%


-Original Message-
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/15/15 03:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

One of the flaws in most (if not all?) of the Atheros chip sets is that if it's 
not 802.11 and it's not 20 MHz, then it doesn't exist.

Anything built with Atheros seems to be very poor in detecting "interference" 
if it isn't something that it recognizes.


bp  On 11/15/2015 5:08 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
 

I've done some playing with the routers recently. I've noticed that auto almost 
always chooses the same channel that my customer's CPE is on.

It appears that the router is looking for the lowest noise level, ignoring the 
fact that the 802.11 signal is strong, but isn't registered as noise.
 
My working theory as to why *every* router on auto hits the channel that feeds 
my customers.

I guess one hitch is I'm running 10MHz channels now, so realistically the 
routers shouldn't be able to see it, though I suppose the sub carriers are 
still the same.

If anyone has any input that'd be awesome.
 
- Original Message -
 From: Ken Hohhof 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


 
Customer routers used to mostly default to WiFi channel 6, but now they 
typically are set by default to AUTO and in many cases to use an extension 
channel, so 6+11 or 1+6.  We try to change the customer's router to a fixed 20 
MHz channel on channel 6, then we avoid using the middle of the band for our 
APs.  If your CPE setup is such that customers can hook up a new router and it 
just works, over time they will migrate back to AUTO 20/40 MHz.
 
OK, actually we avoid using 2.4 GHz anymore, but that's what we've done on our 
legacy 2.4 GHz sites.
 
  
 
  From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems
 
 
 
 
I can't decide that for you. You really need to know what the noise is like at 
each sector. However, when I use 10 MHz channels, I try to take advantage of 
the fact that you're only using a 1/2 channel. You're goig to get better 
results (most of the time) when you're at the edges.


bp  On 11/14/2015 1:52 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
 
Bill
my other sectors at the same tower is on 6,9 should I go with 1 and 11 with 
10mhz?

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems

Get it off channel 7. Poke around at the sub end and see what else is on what 
channel. Typically, there will be less noise at channel 1 or 11. Most SOHO 
routers are going to be on channel 6, and putting your stuff on 7 will get 
local interference most of the time.


bp On 11/14/2015 1:34 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
 
Josh
these stats are at the CPE and I even have the rf shields on the AP's and the 
ap's are up 150ft up the air. So it sounds like I am going have to probably 
switch it to 5ghz.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


Looks like noise at the AP being my first thought. Assuming those stats are 
from the CPE.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 14, 2015 4:27 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
The customer is wanting 8 meg but is only getting 3-4 meg there josh


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/14/15 04:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems


What's the problem..?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Nov 14, 2015 4:20 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
 wrote:
Hello Guys
I just installed an powerbeam m2 today at customers house and I am getting:

signal strength -61 dBm
noise floor -89 dBm
transmit CCQ 86.4%
tx/rx rate is around 10-39mpbs/58.5-65mbps
Channel width 10MHz
Channel/Frequency 7/2442MHz
Version v5.6.2 (XW)
from the tower to CPE is around 3.5miles





 

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[AFMUG] is the nanobeam m5 400 and PBE-M5-500ac mounting hardware the same?

[Tim Reichhart]

Guys
I just wanted to know if the nanobeam m5 400 and PBE-M5-500ac mounting hardware 
the same?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

[Tim Reichhart]

TJ

What kind of ip pbx are they using? Also are they doing the HD calling because 
some IP pbxs allow you to add that G.711 code in it.

 


Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

 

I have a customer with a IP PBX that all of the sudden is using 100% of their 
available upload and download capacity, when I torch them it shows as 4 sip 
connections but using way more bandwidth than a regular sip connection?

 

http://s7.postimg.org/qy3n03ljv/Untitled.png

 

Anyone ever seen something like this?

Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

[Tim Reichhart]

TJ 

After looking up that dst ip: 
https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poneytelcom.eu%2F 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poneytelcom.eu%2F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8>
 &ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

Why would your customer using ip’s to London for sip calling unless there pbx 
got hacked.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

 

TJ

What kind of ip pbx are they using? Also are they doing the HD calling because 
some IP pbxs allow you to add that G.711 code in it.

 


Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

 

I have a customer with a IP PBX that all of the sudden is using 100% of their 
available upload and download capacity, when I torch them it shows as 4 sip 
connections but using way more bandwidth than a regular sip connection?

 

http://s7.postimg.org/qy3n03ljv/Untitled.png

 

Anyone ever seen something like this?

Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

[Tim Reichhart]

This is why you want to run your PBX under hard firewall they do make one small 
firewall just for pbx: http://www.pikatechnologies.com/english/view.asp?x=1294

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?
Importance: Low

 

We have been seeing alot of PBX malicious activity lately, Panasonic in 
particular.

 

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:02 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Yes, they must be hacked. Although no calls were placed through the trunk, 
weird.

 

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:

TJ 

After looking up that dst ip: 
https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poneytelcom.eu%2F 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poneytelcom.eu%2F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8>
 &ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

Why would your customer using ip’s to London for sip calling unless there pbx 
got hacked.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

 

TJ

What kind of ip pbx are they using? Also are they doing the HD calling because 
some IP pbxs allow you to add that G.711 code in it.

 


Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

 

I have a customer with a IP PBX that all of the sudden is using 100% of their 
available upload and download capacity, when I torch them it shows as 4 sip 
connections but using way more bandwidth than a regular sip connection?

 

http://s7.postimg.org/qy3n03ljv/Untitled.png

 

Anyone ever seen something like this?

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

[Tim Reichhart]

Check out this website tj:

http://www.wizcrafts.net/chinese-iptables-blocklist.html

 

That should help you if you do servers and you probably can add these spam ip’s 
inside of MK.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?
Importance: Low

 

So I made a firewall rule to drop any traffic going to and from the subnet that 
was attacking them, it stopped lan traffic but it's still saturating the Wan so 
I moved the rule from the customers firewall to my core router. No other way 
unless I have my upstream null it ? I guess the best solution is to find out 
the networks the sip provider uses and whitelist those and block everything 
else ?

On Feb 27, 2015 11:06 AM, "That One Guy"  wrote:

people dont take phone security serious enough, untill they get the bills for 
the overseas calls

 

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:

This is why you want to run your PBX under hard firewall they do make one small 
firewall just for pbx: http://www.pikatechnologies.com/english/view.asp?x=1294

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?
Importance: Low

 

We have been seeing alot of PBX malicious activity lately, Panasonic in 
particular.

 

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:02 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Yes, they must be hacked. Although no calls were placed through the trunk, 
weird.

 

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:

TJ 

After looking up that dst ip: 
https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poneytelcom.eu%2F 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poneytelcom.eu%2F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8>
 &ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

Why would your customer using ip’s to London for sip calling unless there pbx 
got hacked.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

 

TJ

What kind of ip pbx are they using? Also are they doing the HD calling because 
some IP pbxs allow you to add that G.711 code in it.

 


Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PBX gone crazy? PBX ddos?

 

I have a customer with a IP PBX that all of the sudden is using 100% of their 
available upload and download capacity, when I torch them it shows as 4 sip 
connections but using way more bandwidth than a regular sip connection?

 

http://s7.postimg.org/qy3n03ljv/Untitled.png

 

Anyone ever seen something like this?

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

[Tim Reichhart]

That means can we point our 5ghz backhaul stuff at there towers and make
there signal about worthless? If so that would teach cell phone companies
not to mess with WISP's spectrum.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

 

If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we
are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I've seen several
proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as
alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to
suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

[Tim Reichhart]

Then Patrick

Mobile carriers really have no rights to be start using unlicensed spectrum 
they pay the big bucks for license spectrum so what gives them rights to enter 
the unlicensed spectrum? So they can trash the whole or some of the 5ghz 
spectrum so we wisp cant have anything? Just like I seen an screenshot of 
alvarion breeze in 5ghz that everybody said that you couldn’t see in ubnt gear 
when doing airview.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

 

That's called "malicious interference" and can and should get you fined and 
shut down. Further, it is not WISP spectrum and never was. I have never 
understood the WISP sense of entitlement with unlicensed (free) spectrum, 
especially given that it is a population that is largely politically 
conservative.

On Mar 2, 2015 12:16 PM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

That means can we point our 5ghz backhaul stuff at there towers and make there 
signal about worthless? If so that would teach cell phone companies not to mess 
with WISP’s spectrum.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

 

If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are 
going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several 
proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as 
alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to 
suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100  
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the "Af" mailing list

[Tim Reichhart]

Rick
That didn’t last long Welcome back

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the "Af" mailing list

Test, I'm back!


Respectively,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.​
Twitter: @rharnish​



From: Af  on behalf of af-requ...@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:25 PM
To: Rick Harnish
Subject: Welcome to the "Af" mailing list

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Re: [AFMUG] How are bitcoins doing?

[Tim Reichhart]

You can mine using usb and raspberry pi just fyi.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How are bitcoins doing?

 

The cost of mining is too high, you mean =P




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

Value is too low to mine... $278 today

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini




> On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Haven't heard any talk of them here for a while.  I know some of you guys 
> were pretty heavy into them.  Are they still paying off?  Every now and then 
> I see an announcement from a company that they're accepting them as payment.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions

[Tim Reichhart]

Jerry
Why are you saying chris aka netonix stuff is vaporware? Look at ubnt some
of there product is vaporware chris just came out with these switches so
its going take an bit to get into your hands...

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
Importance: Low

So much for Netonix, its just vaporware

Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way?

We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack
devices are in play.

Jerry =

Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions

[Tim Reichhart]

Jerry
The reason why you cant order it chris just came out with these switches
geez.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
Importance: Low

Cant order it.. 

Jerry 

> On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> What happened to the netonix stuff?  I had only heard good things about it
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 5:07:01 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
> 
> So much for Netonix, its just vaporware
> 
> Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way?
> 
> We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack
devices are in play.
> 
> Jerry 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions

[Tim Reichhart]

John

I could say same thing for ubnt gear just saying…

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions

 

Playing devil's advocate here... that may well be a valid reason BUT if you 
need something TODAY it doesn't really help the situation...

 

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-----
From: "Tim Reichhart" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:41pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions

Jerry
The reason why you cant order it chris just came out with these switches
geez.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
Importance: Low

Cant order it.. 

Jerry 

> On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> What happened to the netonix stuff? I had only heard good things about it
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 5:07:01 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
> 
> So much for Netonix, its just vaporware
> 
> Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way?
> 
> We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack
devices are in play.
> 
> Jerry 

Re: [AFMUG] Dinky little UPS

[Tim Reichhart]

I am currently building an battery backup using an solar controller and
ac/dc power supply you might give this an try.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dinky little UPS

 

Cute little gizmo.  Could be useful.  Name leaves something to be desired.
I guess you remember it though.

 

From: Glen Waldrop   

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Dinky little UPS

 

Anyone tried these?

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1223
 &idcategory=0

I've been halfway building a battery system for my towers, but I haven't
given it much time. This would be a quick fix, if they're reliable.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions

[Tim Reichhart]

Josh
I told him that they just came out with these new switches to its going take 
bit time to get out chris isn’t like ubnt who promise shit and takes forever to 
get out. 

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:23 PM
To: Jerry Richardson
Cc: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions

Uh I just got a pallet of switches yesterday from them, so I'm calling bullshit 
on your comment.

People don't realize how new some of this equipment is though, the products 
haven't been shipping for more than a few months. The DC fed and several other 
designs were a pipe dream three months ago and now they have already been in 
beta testers hands for a month or two and are now starting to ship. Three 
months from talk to to shipping is a VERY fast TTM.

I need to get Chris on this list. He needs to be able to comment on situations 
like this.On Mar 4, 2015 2:07 PM, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>
> So much for Netonix, its just vaporware 
>
> Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? 
>
> We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack 
> devices are in play. 
>
> Jerry

Re: [AFMUG] Dinky little UPS

[Tim Reichhart]

Jamie

I am using one from ebay that have LCD screen that is 30a.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:50 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dinky little UPS

 

The Morningstar one I used has worked well out there in mountains of 
Marfa..three panels ..Icom VHF repeater and deep cycle battery




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:

I am currently building an battery backup using an solar controller and ac/dc 
power supply you might give this an try.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dinky little UPS

 

Cute little gizmo.  Could be useful.  Name leaves something to be desired.  I 
guess you remember it though.

 

From: Glen Waldrop <mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>  

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Dinky little UPS

 

Anyone tried these?

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1223 
<http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1223&idcategory=0>
 &idcategory=0

I've been halfway building a battery system for my towers, but I haven't given 
it much time. This would be a quick fix, if they're reliable.

 

[AFMUG] wholesale voip termination

[Tim Reichhart]

Guys

I am currently looking for wholesale voip termination with did's
/sip/numbers who is the best out there that works with asterisk server?

 

Tim

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] wholesale voip termination

[Tim Reichhart]

Keefe

Whats there pricing? 

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wholesale voip termination

 

bandwidth.com is the most cost effective

On 3/11/2015 1:42 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

Guys

I am currently looking for wholesale voip termination with did�s
/sip/numbers who is the best out there that works with asterisk server?

�

Tim

�

�

 

[AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

[Tim Reichhart]

as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before?
The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3
sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand
offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on
something like this.

 

Thanks Tim

Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

[Tim Reichhart]

So you guys saying it would work?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

It's galvanized...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "That One Guy"  wrote:

It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

MTOWP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The 
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on 
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.

 

Thanks Tim





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

[Tim Reichhart]

Josh

May I ask what is “MTOWP”?

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an 
angle

On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

It's galvanized...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "That One Guy"  wrote:

It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

MTOWP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The 
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on 
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.

 

Thanks Tim





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

[Tim Reichhart]

This is what I picked up: 
http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/rough-electrical/strut-supports/strut-channel-14-gauge-pre-galvanized-10/p-1628655-c-12477.htm
 I am using 1 1/2in pipe

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

Use the larger depth strut. Get 1.5" clamps 4 of them for rohn 25, 2 brackets 
per strut. Then proper size for your mounting pipe. Then it u have any play in 
it depending on the weight of whatever u mounted u can add a 3rd brace from the 
remaining leg to mid point on your mounting pipe to really beef it up 

On Mar 12, 2015 11:01 AM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an 
angle

On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

It's galvanized...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "That One Guy"  wrote:

It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

MTOWP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The 
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on 
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.

 

Thanks Tim





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

[Tim Reichhart]

Josh

Its more lima air LOL instead of Toledo air.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

He has to breathe Toledo air, cut him some slack.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:07 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

You don't belong on this list if you don't know what a mtow is! Lol

On Mar 12, 2015 11:05 AM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

Josh

May I ask what is “MTOWP”?

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an 
angle

On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

It's galvanized...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "That One Guy"  wrote:

It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

MTOWP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The 
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on 
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.

 

Thanks Tim





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

[Tim Reichhart]

Josh

Hmm some not all they are still working on I75

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

Well I was trying to be generous.  Did you guys ever manage to get your 
entrance/exit ramps to I75 back?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:

Josh

Its more lima air LOL instead of Toledo air.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

He has to breathe Toledo air, cut him some slack.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:07 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

You don't belong on this list if you don't know what a mtow is! Lol

On Mar 12, 2015 11:05 AM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

Josh

May I ask what is “MTOWP”?

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an 
angle

On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

It's galvanized...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "That One Guy"  wrote:

It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

MTOWP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The 
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on 
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.

 

Thanks Tim





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket

[Tim Reichhart]

Rory

How strong and safe are them brackets?

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket

 

We use these on locations with odd poles at lower locations.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:00 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket

 

Nice

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 12, 2015 2:16 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

Deep Slotted strut + two 1 1/2" ten foot conduit sections with clamps = about 
$30 and gives you twenty foot of sector mounting space.  The MTOW product line 
is amazing, but there is something to be said for a solid solution on the cheap.

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Slotted uni strut works well for this but why re invent the wheel? WB mfg has 
affordable mounting options. ..

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 12, 2015 12:56 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

And not just plated, but dipped.  Makes a big difference.

Unistrut is usually just plated.  If it's a quality plating job, it might be 
OK, because I see several bits of galvanized unistrut here and there, and they 
look fine even after years.  But I occasionally see a hunk of unistrut that 
didn't have enough plating, and they will show their age.

HDG hangs in for the long haul.



bp

 

On 3/12/2015 11:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works, works well, 
don't bother with strut =P




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I think he was referring to unistrut.  MTOW-P doesn’t have a channel

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

It's galvanized...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "That One Guy"  wrote:

It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

MTOWP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The 
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on 
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.

 

Thanks Tim





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket

[Tim Reichhart]

Rory

Would this hold up sector with rf armor shields on an 130ft tower?

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket

 

Very strong.  Use 2-3 hose clamps, commercial ones with weight ratings.  We 
mount one on top one on bottom, pipe between them.  Can easily handle use 
hanging on them.   Here we have them holding up the Mimosa’s we just put up on 
a windmill.

 

Rory

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket

 

Rory

How strong and safe are them brackets?

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket

 

We use these on locations with odd poles at lower locations.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:00 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket

 

Nice

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 12, 2015 2:16 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

Deep Slotted strut + two 1 1/2" ten foot conduit sections with clamps = about 
$30 and gives you twenty foot of sector mounting space.  The MTOW product line 
is amazing, but there is something to be said for a solid solution on the cheap.

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Slotted uni strut works well for this but why re invent the wheel? WB mfg has 
affordable mounting options. ..

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 12, 2015 12:56 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

And not just plated, but dipped.  Makes a big difference.

Unistrut is usually just plated.  If it's a quality plating job, it might be 
OK, because I see several bits of galvanized unistrut here and there, and they 
look fine even after years.  But I occasionally see a hunk of unistrut that 
didn't have enough plating, and they will show their age.

HDG hangs in for the long haul.

bp

 

On 3/12/2015 11:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works, works well, 
don't bother with strut =P




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I think he was referring to unistrut.  MTOW-P doesn’t have a channel

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket

 

It's galvanized...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "That One Guy"  wrote:

It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

MTOWP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Reichhart"  wrote:

as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The 
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on 
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.

 

Thanks Tim





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

 

 

[AFMUG] would mikrotik work on firebox x500

[Tim Reichhart]

Guys

Would you any of you guys know if mikrotik would work on firebox x500 or
not?

 

Tim

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Tim Reichhart]

Do you guys have an picture of this setup by any chance?

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this
enclosure

I have in the past drilled and tapped holes in the backplane and then
installed screws into the top of the panel with double nuts on the
underside.  The screws of course line up with the keyholes on the RB2011.

It's more space efficient to mount it sideways though.  For that I've taken
the cover off and attached a DIN bracket to the rear surface of the cover,
then it can snap onto a DIN rail.

> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>
> Tim
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Tim Reichhart]

Rory

Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep 
getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for.

 

Tim

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

 

Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

 

If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting 
CPE’s over the next 3 months?   Is there any chance of supply shortages?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

 

That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You can 
imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going "on the 
boat" ;)

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out of 
your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 
years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value.  
That has to be a first.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

Hey, who says they are accurate??

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy  wrote:

this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized

 

I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands 
yet is it?

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? 
Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the 
way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in 
the next couple weeks.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.

The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP 
and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between 
the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I 
know this is going to be a permanent separation.

The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to 
perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live 
airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS 
and UNII-1.

I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point 
unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of 
the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect 
AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.

 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy  wrote:




The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized 
units?

 

What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

 

Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

 

I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it 
connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its 
worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a 
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are 
going to converge?

 

Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any 
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future 
demand is a factor as well)

 

Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there?

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

 

 





 

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[AFMUG] anybody good with radio mobile?

[Tim Reichhart]

Guys

Is anybody good with radio mobile? I got some sites I need checked out for
coverage and I know most of you guys will say use towercoverage.com but I
really don't want to pay for something that I am only going use few times.

 

If anybody is good at it hit me off list

 

Tim