Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Mike Hammett]

If only Sony supported IPv6... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 7:36:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 



IPv6 is a necessity in so many ways I can't wait to see it adopted widespread. 
There are so many limitations to IPv4 with NAT. The BIGGEST thing I see is the 
gamers with the PS4's and it gets very beneficial if you have multiple PS4's in 
the same house. Apparently when Sony designed the games for UPnP they never 
anticipated that there would be multiple PS4 consoles behind a single public 
IPv4 address and so I guess you can't have two consoles playing the exact same 
game because the consoles fight for the same exact port ranges and the NAT 
router doesn't know which console on the internal LAN to forward the traffic 
too. Its a common problem apparently that Sony has acknowledged and basically 
said there will be no fix. But IPV6 wouldn't have had this problem in the first 
place. 


http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network-Support/MULTIPLE-PLAYSTATION-4-s-ONE-NETWORK-NEEDS-FIXED-ASAP-Confirmed/td-p/44774137
 






On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 



Yeah … that was an insane chunk of change - the MS purchase of Nortel blocks…. 


JJ and team at Comcast did a stand up job with IPv6 enablement, promotion of it 
etc… 







On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


*nods* MS spent how much to get Nortel's blocks? 

Comcast is completely dual stacked... as they manage their modems through IPv6, 
not IPv4. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:45:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

Yup .. back in time the major ISP’s were saying “there’s no content on IPv6” … 
so the content guys responded and through IPv6 day and other initiatives 
answered back. That was several years ago and there has been some progress but 
still lots of small and large players who are slow to get moving … I feel this 
pain in $$job where only DSL is dual stack (and recently wireless) but cable 
modem for example is not ready and it’s going to be a while … 


The content guys care just as much about IPv6 - they consume massive amount of 
IPv4 address blocks, especially with even increasing SSL content ….. 







On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Many content providers that aren't on Amazon are already completely IPv6, with 
some dual-stacked elements. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: fiber...@mail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:28:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

Content providers like Netflix, Facebook, etc. don't really have any reason to 
go IPv6 only. Best they can do is start offering IPv6 access also, on top of 
IPv4. 

Many content providers don't care. The pain is felt purely on the ISP side. The 
best we can hope for is that enough ISPs deploy IPv6 (only), so that most 
content providers can't continue to totally ignore IPv6 in the long term. 

Not that IPv6 support is always sunshine and roses, as can be seen by Netflix 
blocking IPv6 tunnels. 

Jared 



Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 11:05 PM 
From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

I’m thinking 5 years or less… what it’ll take to start pushing this heavily is 
for someone like Netflix, Facebook etc to go IPv6 only…. great theory that 
probably won’t happen unfortunately …. 


On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com [ 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com ]> wrote: 

That day will come, but I think it is 5 years in the future or more. 



From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate. 
They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6 
reachable. 
If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal ones 
complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear. 



On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > wrote: 


Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 


Wow, didn'

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Reynolds]

VOIP.

VOIP hates NAT.

On Nov 14, 2016 7:36 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> IPv6 is a necessity in so many ways I can't wait to see it adopted
> widespread. There are so many limitations to IPv4 with NAT. The BIGGEST
> thing I see is the gamers with the PS4's and it gets very beneficial if you
> have multiple PS4's in the same house. Apparently when Sony designed the
> games for UPnP they never anticipated that there would be multiple PS4
> consoles behind a single public IPv4 address and so I guess you can't have
> two consoles playing the exact same game because the consoles fight for the
> same exact port ranges and the NAT router doesn't know which console on the
> internal LAN to forward the traffic too. Its a common problem apparently
> that Sony has acknowledged and basically said there will be no fix. But
> IPV6 wouldn't have had this problem in the first place.
>
> http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network-Support/
> MULTIPLE-PLAYSTATION-4-s-ONE-NETWORK-NEEDS-FIXED-ASAP-
> Confirmed/td-p/44774137
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah … that was an insane chunk of change - the MS purchase of Nortel
>> blocks….
>>
>> JJ and team at Comcast did a stand up job with IPv6 enablement, promotion
>> of it etc…
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> *nods* MS spent how much to get Nortel's blocks?
>>
>> Comcast is completely dual stacked...  as they manage their modems
>> through IPv6, not IPv4.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:45:33 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>> Yup .. back in time the major ISP’s were saying “there’s no content on
>> IPv6” … so the content guys responded and through IPv6 day and other
>> initiatives answered back.  That was several years ago and there has been
>> some progress but still lots of small and large players who are slow to get
>> moving …   I feel this pain in $$job where only DSL is dual stack (and
>> recently wireless) but cable modem for example is not ready and it’s going
>> to be a while …
>>
>> The content guys care just as much about IPv6 - they consume massive
>> amount of IPv4 address blocks, especially with even increasing SSL content
>> …..
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> Many content providers that aren't on Amazon are already completely IPv6,
>> with some dual-stacked elements.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *fiber...@mail.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:28:57 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>> Content providers like Netflix, Facebook, etc. don't really have any
>> reason to go IPv6 only. Best they can do is start offering IPv6 ac

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

IPv6 is a necessity in so many ways I can't wait to see it adopted
widespread. There are so many limitations to IPv4 with NAT. The BIGGEST
thing I see is the gamers with the PS4's and it gets very beneficial if you
have multiple PS4's in the same house. Apparently when Sony designed the
games for UPnP they never anticipated that there would be multiple PS4
consoles behind a single public IPv4 address and so I guess you can't have
two consoles playing the exact same game because the consoles fight for the
same exact port ranges and the NAT router doesn't know which console on the
internal LAN to forward the traffic too. Its a common problem apparently
that Sony has acknowledged and basically said there will be no fix. But
IPV6 wouldn't have had this problem in the first place.

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network-Support/MULTIPLE-PLAYSTATION-4-s-ONE-NETWORK-NEEDS-FIXED-ASAP-Confirmed/td-p/44774137



On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> Yeah … that was an insane chunk of change - the MS purchase of Nortel
> blocks….
>
> JJ and team at Comcast did a stand up job with IPv6 enablement, promotion
> of it etc…
>
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> *nods* MS spent how much to get Nortel's blocks?
>
> Comcast is completely dual stacked...  as they manage their modems through
> IPv6, not IPv4.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:45:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
> Yup .. back in time the major ISP’s were saying “there’s no content on
> IPv6” … so the content guys responded and through IPv6 day and other
> initiatives answered back.  That was several years ago and there has been
> some progress but still lots of small and large players who are slow to get
> moving …   I feel this pain in $$job where only DSL is dual stack (and
> recently wireless) but cable modem for example is not ready and it’s going
> to be a while …
>
> The content guys care just as much about IPv6 - they consume massive
> amount of IPv4 address blocks, especially with even increasing SSL content
> …..
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Many content providers that aren't on Amazon are already completely IPv6,
> with some dual-stacked elements.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *fiber...@mail.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:28:57 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
> Content providers like Netflix, Facebook, etc. don't really have any
> reason to go IPv6 only. Best they can do is start offering IPv6 access
> also, on top of IPv4.
>
> Many content providers don't care. The pain is felt purely on the ISP
> side. The best we can hope for is that enough ISPs deploy IPv6 (only), so
> that most content providers can't continue to totally ignore IPv6 in the
> long term.
>
> Not that IPv6 support is always sunshine and roses, as can be seen by
> Netflix blocking IPv6 tunnels.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 11:05 PM
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Paul Stewart]

Yeah … that was an insane chunk of change - the MS purchase of Nortel blocks….

JJ and team at Comcast did a stand up job with IPv6 enablement, promotion of it 
etc… 

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> *nods* MS spent how much to get Nortel's blocks?
> 
> Comcast is completely dual stacked...  as they manage their modems through 
> IPv6, not IPv4.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:45:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
> 
> Yup .. back in time the major ISP’s were saying “there’s no content on IPv6” 
> … so the content guys responded and through IPv6 day and other initiatives 
> answered back.  That was several years ago and there has been some progress 
> but still lots of small and large players who are slow to get moving …   I 
> feel this pain in $$job where only DSL is dual stack (and recently wireless) 
> but cable modem for example is not ready and it’s going to be a while … 
> 
> The content guys care just as much about IPv6 - they consume massive amount 
> of IPv4 address blocks, especially with even increasing SSL content …..
> 
> 
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> 
> Many content providers that aren't on Amazon are already completely IPv6, 
> with some dual-stacked elements.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: fiber...@mail.com <mailto:fiber...@mail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:28:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
> 
> Content providers like Netflix, Facebook, etc. don't really have any reason 
> to go IPv6 only. Best they can do is start offering IPv6 access also, on top 
> of IPv4. 
> 
> Many content providers don't care. The pain is felt purely on the ISP side. 
> The best we can hope for is that enough ISPs deploy IPv6 (only), so that most 
> content providers can't continue to totally ignore IPv6 in the long term. 
> 
> Not that IPv6 support is always sunshine and roses, as can be seen by Netflix 
> blocking IPv6 tunnels. 
> 
> Jared
>  
>  
> 
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 11:05 PM
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
> 
> I’m thinking 5 years or less… what it’ll take to start pushing this heavily 
> is for someone like Netflix, Facebook etc to go IPv6 only…. great theory that 
> probably won’t happen unfortunately ….
>  
> 
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>]> 
> wrote: 
> 
> That day will come, but I  think it is 5 years in the future or more. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Cassidy B. Larson
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>  
> Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* MS spent how much to get Nortel's blocks? 

Comcast is completely dual stacked... as they manage their modems through IPv6, 
not IPv4. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:45:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

Yup .. back in time the major ISP’s were saying “there’s no content on IPv6” … 
so the content guys responded and through IPv6 day and other initiatives 
answered back. That was several years ago and there has been some progress but 
still lots of small and large players who are slow to get moving … I feel this 
pain in $$$job where only DSL is dual stack (and recently wireless) but cable 
modem for example is not ready and it’s going to be a while … 


The content guys care just as much about IPv6 - they consume massive amount of 
IPv4 address blocks, especially with even increasing SSL content ….. 







On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Many content providers that aren't on Amazon are already completely IPv6, with 
some dual-stacked elements. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: fiber...@mail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:28:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

Content providers like Netflix, Facebook, etc. don't really have any reason to 
go IPv6 only. Best they can do is start offering IPv6 access also, on top of 
IPv4. 

Many content providers don't care. The pain is felt purely on the ISP side. The 
best we can hope for is that enough ISPs deploy IPv6 (only), so that most 
content providers can't continue to totally ignore IPv6 in the long term. 

Not that IPv6 support is always sunshine and roses, as can be seen by Netflix 
blocking IPv6 tunnels. 

Jared 



Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 11:05 PM 
From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

I’m thinking 5 years or less… what it’ll take to start pushing this heavily is 
for someone like Netflix, Facebook etc to go IPv6 only…. great theory that 
probably won’t happen unfortunately …. 


On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com [ 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com ]> wrote: 

That day will come, but I think it is 5 years in the future or more. 



From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate. 
They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6 
reachable. 
If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal ones 
complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear. 



On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > wrote: 


Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 


Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
fast as I can! 



On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 
That's actually a pretty good price. 



On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote: 
Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com [ 
http://ipv4auctions.com/ ] style websites, which seem like highway robbery at 
$3584 current bid for a /24? 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Paul Stewart]

Yup .. back in time the major ISP’s were saying “there’s no content on IPv6” … 
so the content guys responded and through IPv6 day and other initiatives 
answered back.  That was several years ago and there has been some progress but 
still lots of small and large players who are slow to get moving …   I feel 
this pain in $$$job where only DSL is dual stack (and recently wireless) but 
cable modem for example is not ready and it’s going to be a while … 

The content guys care just as much about IPv6 - they consume massive amount of 
IPv4 address blocks, especially with even increasing SSL content …..


> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> Many content providers that aren't on Amazon are already completely IPv6, 
> with some dual-stacked elements.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: fiber...@mail.com <mailto:fiber...@mail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:28:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
> 
> Content providers like Netflix, Facebook, etc. don't really have any reason 
> to go IPv6 only. Best they can do is start offering IPv6 access also, on top 
> of IPv4. 
> 
> Many content providers don't care. The pain is felt purely on the ISP side. 
> The best we can hope for is that enough ISPs deploy IPv6 (only), so that most 
> content providers can't continue to totally ignore IPv6 in the long term. 
> 
> Not that IPv6 support is always sunshine and roses, as can be seen by Netflix 
> blocking IPv6 tunnels. 
> 
> Jared
>  
>  
> 
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 11:05 PM
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
> 
> I’m thinking 5 years or less… what it’ll take to start pushing this heavily 
> is for someone like Netflix, Facebook etc to go IPv6 only…. great theory that 
> probably won’t happen unfortunately ….
>  
> 
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>]> 
> wrote: 
> 
> That day will come, but I  think it is 5 years in the future or more. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Cassidy B. Larson
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>  
> Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate.
> They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6 
> reachable. 
> If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal ones 
> complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear.
>  
>  
> 
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net 
> <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
>  
> 
> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>  
> 
> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
> fast as I can!
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> That's actually a pretty good price.
> 
>  
> 
> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com 
> <mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:
> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com 
> <http://ipv4auctions.com/>[http://ipv4auctions.com/ 
> <http://ipv4auctions.com/>] style websites, which seem like highway robbery 
> at $3584 current bid for a /24?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Mike Hammett]

Many content providers that aren't on Amazon are already completely IPv6, with 
some dual-stacked elements. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: fiber...@mail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:28:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

Content providers like Netflix, Facebook, etc. don't really have any reason to 
go IPv6 only. Best they can do is start offering IPv6 access also, on top of 
IPv4. 

Many content providers don't care. The pain is felt purely on the ISP side. The 
best we can hope for is that enough ISPs deploy IPv6 (only), so that most 
content providers can't continue to totally ignore IPv6 in the long term. 

Not that IPv6 support is always sunshine and roses, as can be seen by Netflix 
blocking IPv6 tunnels. 

Jared 



Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 11:05 PM 
From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

I’m thinking 5 years or less… what it’ll take to start pushing this heavily is 
for someone like Netflix, Facebook etc to go IPv6 only…. great theory that 
probably won’t happen unfortunately …. 


On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]> wrote: 

That day will come, but I think it is 5 years in the future or more. 



From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 

Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate. 
They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6 
reachable. 
If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal ones 
complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear. 



On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: 


Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? 


Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
fast as I can! 



On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: 
That's actually a pretty good price. 



On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote: 
Are there any other alternatives than the 
ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4auctions.com/] style websites, which seem like 
highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24? 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[fiberrun]

Content providers like Netflix, Facebook, etc. don't really have any reason to 
go IPv6 only. Best they can do is start offering IPv6 access also, on top of 
IPv4. 

Many content providers don't care. The pain is felt purely on the ISP side. The 
best we can hope for is that enough ISPs deploy IPv6 (only), so that most 
content providers can't continue to totally ignore IPv6 in the long term. 

Not that IPv6 support is always sunshine and roses, as can be seen by Netflix 
blocking IPv6 tunnels. 

Jared
 
 

Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 11:05 PM
From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

I’m thinking 5 years or less… what it’ll take to start pushing this heavily is 
for someone like Netflix, Facebook etc to go IPv6 only…. great theory that 
probably won’t happen unfortunately ….
 

On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]> wrote: 

That day will come, but I  think it is 5 years in the future or more. 

 

From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
 
Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate.
They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6 
reachable. 
If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal ones 
complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear.
 
 

On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
 

Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
 

Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
fast as I can!

 

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
That's actually a pretty good price.

 

On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
Are there any other alternatives than the 
ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4auctions.com/] style websites, which seem like 
highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Paul Stewart]

I’m thinking 5 years or less… what it’ll take to start pushing this heavily is 
for someone like Netflix, Facebook etc to go IPv6 only…. great theory that 
probably won’t happen unfortunately ….

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> That day will come, but I  think it is 5 years in the future or more. 
>  
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>  
> Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate.
> They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6 
> reachable. 
> If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal ones 
> complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear. 
>  
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net <>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>  
>> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 
>> as fast as I can!
>>  
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com <>> 
>> wrote:
>>> That's actually a pretty good price.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com <>> wrote:
>>>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com 
>>>> <http://ipv4auctions.com/> style websites, which seem like highway robbery 
>>>> at $3584 current bid for a /24?
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats a prime example of what i said, the fax machine. aside from the non
adopters, you dont see them, but faxes are still really common, but theyre
via ip now, innovation and consumer demand drove a change, its less
expensive to fax now than ever before if you adopt the innovation.
mechanisms were designed to facilitate communication between the old and
new technologies. if you have a fax machine and recieve a fax, you dont
know if it came from a fax or from ring central, and vice versa. the
endpoints have become unimportant because middle mile solved it

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:00 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That is funny, back in 1996, an Algerian defense contractor hired me to
> design a phone line sniffer that would decode faxes in real time.  Fun
> project.
>
> Secure it was not.  Perhaps things have advanced from those days.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
>
> The Federal government considers fax secure.
>
> I have no idea the rationale behind it, but they do.
>
> Applies to HIPAA also.
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 12:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> When FAX machines go away, we can start the 10 year countdown for IPv4 to
>> go away.
>>
>>
>>
>> How is FAX still a thing?  But it is, it won’t die, and many businesses
>> absolutely need the ability to send FAXes, even if only to a couple places.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>>
>>
>> the interwebs is kind of an innovative industry. Genpop has gotten a
>> taste of ip6, they dont know what it is, but its new and must be better, so
>> theyll demand it. somebody will come up with a solution that gets adopted
>> that doesnt make anybody actually change anything but the world will appear
>> to be all ip6
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:54 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a
>> couple weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite
>> working as expected.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> *facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.
>>
>> Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply
>> dualstack with NAT444 aka CGNAT.
>>
>> We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.
>>
>> Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network
>> assuming you have the proper translation layers in place at either edge
>> (customer edge or transit edge).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4
>> resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>> NAT64
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:chuck@
>> wbmfg.com]> wrote:
>>
>> Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of
>> servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
>> You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>> Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients
>> yet.
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>>
>> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to
>> IPv6 as fast as I can!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's actually a pretty good price.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4au
>> ctions.com] style websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584
>> current bid for a /24?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[chuck]

That is funny, back in 1996, an Algerian defense contractor hired me to design 
a phone line sniffer that would decode faxes in real time.  Fun project.  

Secure it was not.  Perhaps things have advanced from those days.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

The Federal government considers fax secure.

I have no idea the rationale behind it, but they do.

Applies to HIPAA also.


On Nov 13, 2016 12:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

  When FAX machines go away, we can start the 10 year countdown for IPv4 to go 
away.



  How is FAX still a thing?  But it is, it won’t die, and many businesses 
absolutely need the ability to send FAXes, even if only to a couple places.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?



  the interwebs is kind of an innovative industry. Genpop has gotten a taste of 
ip6, they dont know what it is, but its new and must be better, so theyll 
demand it. somebody will come up with a solution that gets adopted that doesnt 
make anybody actually change anything but the world will appear to be all ip6



  On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:54 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a 
couple weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite 
working as expected.



On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  *facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.

  Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply 
dualstack with NAT444 aka CGNAT.

  We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.

  Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network 
assuming you have the proper translation layers in place at either edge 
(customer edge or transit edge).



  On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote:

What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4 
resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.

Jared
 
 

Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
NAT64
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64

 
On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]> wrote:

Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of 
servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever. 

 

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
 
Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.

 
On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> 
wrote:

Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients 
yet.
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
 

Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to 
IPv6 as fast as I can!

 

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:

That's actually a pretty good price.

 

On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
Are there any other alternatives than the 
ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4auctions.com] style websites, which seem like 
highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
 









  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Reynolds]

The Federal government considers fax secure.

I have no idea the rationale behind it, but they do.

Applies to HIPAA also.

On Nov 13, 2016 12:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> When FAX machines go away, we can start the 10 year countdown for IPv4 to
> go away.
>
>
>
> How is FAX still a thing?  But it is, it won’t die, and many businesses
> absolutely need the ability to send FAXes, even if only to a couple places.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
>
>
> the interwebs is kind of an innovative industry. Genpop has gotten a taste
> of ip6, they dont know what it is, but its new and must be better, so
> theyll demand it. somebody will come up with a solution that gets adopted
> that doesnt make anybody actually change anything but the world will appear
> to be all ip6
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:54 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
> Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a
> couple weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite
> working as expected.
>
>
>
> On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> *facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.
>
> Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply
> dualstack with NAT444 aka CGNAT.
>
> We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.
>
> Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network
> assuming you have the proper translation layers in place at either edge
> (customer edge or transit edge).
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4
> resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
> NAT64
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:chuck@
> wbmfg.com]> wrote:
>
> Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of
> servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
> You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.
>
>
>
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
> Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
>
> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6
> as fast as I can!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> That's actually a pretty good price.
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com[http://
> ipv4auctions.com] style websites, which seem like highway robbery at
> $3584 current bid for a /24?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[chuck]

Seems like doctors and pharmacies have some kind of legal requirement.  They 
are both the only businesses I know of that absolutely demand to have fax.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

When FAX machines go away, we can start the 10 year countdown for IPv4 to go 
away.

 

How is FAX still a thing?  But it is, it won’t die, and many businesses 
absolutely need the ability to send FAXes, even if only to a couple places.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

 

the interwebs is kind of an innovative industry. Genpop has gotten a taste of 
ip6, they dont know what it is, but its new and must be better, so theyll 
demand it. somebody will come up with a solution that gets adopted that doesnt 
make anybody actually change anything but the world will appear to be all ip6

 

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:54 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

  Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a couple 
weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite working as 
expected.

   

  On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

*facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.

Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply dualstack 
with NAT444 aka CGNAT.

We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.

Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network assuming 
you have the proper translation layers in place at either edge (customer edge 
or transit edge).

 

On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote:

  What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4 
resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.

  Jared
   
   

  Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
  From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
  NAT64
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64

   
  On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]> wrote:

  Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of 
servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
  You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever. 

   

  From: Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
   
  Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.

   
  On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> 
wrote:

  Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients 
yet.
   
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
  Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
      To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
   

  Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to 
IPv6 as fast as I can!

   

  On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:

  That's actually a pretty good price.

   

  On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
  Are there any other alternatives than the 
ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4auctions.com] style websites, which seem like 
highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
   

   





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Ken Hohhof]

When FAX machines go away, we can start the 10 year countdown for IPv4 to go 
away.

 

How is FAX still a thing?  But it is, it won’t die, and many businesses 
absolutely need the ability to send FAXes, even if only to a couple places.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

 

the interwebs is kind of an innovative industry. Genpop has gotten a taste of 
ip6, they dont know what it is, but its new and must be better, so theyll 
demand it. somebody will come up with a solution that gets adopted that doesnt 
make anybody actually change anything but the world will appear to be all ip6

 

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:54 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a couple 
weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite working as 
expected.

 

On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

*facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.

Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply dualstack 
with NAT444 aka CGNAT.

We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.

Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network assuming you 
have the proper translation layers in place at either edge (customer edge or 
transit edge).

 

On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com <mailto:fiber...@mail.com> > wrote:

What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4 resources 
with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.

Jared
 
 

Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
NAT64
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64

 
On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> ]> 
wrote:

Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of servers 
that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever. 

 

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
 
Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.

 
On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net 
<mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
 

Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
fast as I can!

 

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

That's actually a pretty good price.

 

On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com 
<mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:
Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com 
<http://ipv4auctions.com> [http://ipv4auctions.com] style websites, which seem 
like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the interwebs is kind of an innovative industry. Genpop has gotten a taste
of ip6, they dont know what it is, but its new and must be better, so
theyll demand it. somebody will come up with a solution that gets adopted
that doesnt make anybody actually change anything but the world will appear
to be all ip6

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:54 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a
> couple weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite
> working as expected.
>
>
> On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> *facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.
>
> Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply
> dualstack with NAT444 aka CGNAT.
>
> We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.
>
> Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network
> assuming you have the proper translation layers in place at either edge
> (customer edge or transit edge).
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4
>> resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>> NAT64
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:chuck@
>> wbmfg.com]> wrote:
>>
>> Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of
>> servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
>> You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>> Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients
>> yet.
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>>
>> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to
>> IPv6 as fast as I can!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>> That's actually a pretty good price.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4au
>> ctions.com] style websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584
>> current bid for a /24?
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Reynolds]

Oh there's a literal minefield of issues across the whole landscape, to be
sure :(

Imagine the pre-802.11n / draft-802.11n days? Imagine this be much worse.
It's the protocols, kernel handling, application handling, vendor support,
etc.

On Nov 13, 2016 10:54 AM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a
> couple weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite
> working as expected.
>
> On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> *facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.
>
> Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply
> dualstack with NAT444 aka CGNAT.
>
> We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.
>
> Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network
> assuming you have the proper translation layers in place at either edge
> (customer edge or transit edge).
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4
>> resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>> NAT64
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:chuck@
>> wbmfg.com]> wrote:
>>
>> Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of
>> servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
>> You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>> Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients
>> yet.
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>>
>> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to
>> IPv6 as fast as I can!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>> That's actually a pretty good price.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4au
>> ctions.com] style websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584
>> current bid for a /24?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[George Skorup]

Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a 
couple weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite 
working as expected.


On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


*facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.

Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply 
dualstack with NAT444 aka CGNAT.


We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.

Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network 
assuming you have the proper translation layers in place at either 
edge (customer edge or transit edge).



On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com 
<mailto:fiber...@mail.com>> wrote:


What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access
IPv4 resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.

Jared



Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
NAT64
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64>


On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>]> wrote:

Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions
of servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.



From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.


On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"
<sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy
clients yet.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?


Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move
to IPv6 as fast as I can!



On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
That's actually a pretty good price.



On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com
<mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:
Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com
<http://ipv4auctions.com>[http://ipv4auctions.com
<http://ipv4auctions.com>] style websites, which seem like highway
robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Reynolds]

*facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out.

Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply dualstack
with NAT444 aka CGNAT.

We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future.

Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network assuming
you have the proper translation layers in place at either edge (customer
edge or transit edge).

On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote:

> What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4
> resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
> NAT64
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:chuck@
> wbmfg.com]> wrote:
>
> Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of
> servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
> You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.
>
>
>
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
> Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
>
> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6
> as fast as I can!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
> That's actually a pretty good price.
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com[http://
> ipv4auctions.com] style websites, which seem like highway robbery at
> $3584 current bid for a /24?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Chuck McCown]

But you have to have V4 hooked to the NAT device.  Nothing will let you go V6 
with V4 not appearing anywhere in your network.   

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

NAT64
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64


On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of servers 
that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
  You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

  Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.


  On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?



Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 
as fast as I can! 



On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  That's actually a pretty good price.



  On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:

Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style 
websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[fiberrun]

What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4 resources 
with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere. 

Jared
 
 

Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
NAT64
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64

 
On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]> wrote:

Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of servers 
that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever. 

 

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
 
Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.

 
On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
 

Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
fast as I can!

 

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
That's actually a pretty good price.

 

On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
Are there any other alternatives than the 
ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4auctions.com] style websites, which seem like 
highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Reynolds]

NAT64
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64

On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of
> servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
> You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
>
> Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.
>
> On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients
>> yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to
>> IPv6 as fast as I can!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's actually a pretty good price.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style
>> websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Chuck McCown]

That day will come, but I  think it is 5 years in the future or more.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate. 
They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6 
reachable.  
If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal ones 
complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear. 


  On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

  Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
   
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
  Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
   
  Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
fast as I can!
   
  On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
That's actually a pretty good price.

 
On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
  Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style 
websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Chuck McCown]

Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6.  No way to get to bazillions of servers 
that are on v4 still and will be for many moons.
You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.


On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

  Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
  Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?



  Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
fast as I can! 



  On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

That's actually a pretty good price.



On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:

  Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style 
websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Reynolds]

Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it.

On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
>
>
> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6
> as fast as I can!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> That's actually a pretty good price.
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
>
> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style
> websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yet being operative
playstation will make the plunge and then others will too


On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:19 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Why not just nat/cgnat at that point? are we even going to see 100% ipv6
> in our life time?
>
> $10 a sub to buy a ipv4 isn't really that expensive anyway...
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted
>> rate.
>> They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6
>> reachable.
>> If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal
>> ones complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients
>> yet.
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>>
>> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to
>> IPv6 as fast as I can!
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's actually a pretty good price.
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style
>> websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[TJ Trout]

Why not just nat/cgnat at that point? are we even going to see 100% ipv6 in
our life time?

$10 a sub to buy a ipv4 isn't really that expensive anyway...

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
wrote:

> Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted
> rate.
> They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6
> reachable.
> If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal
> ones complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear.
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>
> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6
> as fast as I can!
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> That's actually a pretty good price.
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
>
> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style
> websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Wonder if I could offer an “IPv6-Only” type of account at a discounted rate.
They'd get their Netflix, their Facebook and everything else that’s v6 
reachable.  
If they can’t get to a v4 only site/service, then they can be the vocal ones 
complaining to the site owners to get their act in gear. 

> On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?
>  
> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
> fast as I can!
>  
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> That's actually a pretty good price.
> 
>  
> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com 
> <mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:
> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com 
> <http://ipv4auctions.com/> style websites, which seem like highway robbery at 
> $3584 current bid for a /24?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients yet.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
fast as I can!

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

That's actually a pretty good price.

On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" 
<d...@logicalwebhost.com<mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:
Are there any other alternatives than the 
ipv4auctions.com<http://ipv4auctions.com> style websites, which seem like 
highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

somethings going to give, between ip6 adoption and activity enforcement
this is going to be a bubble

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Until you realize it might be easier to just buy an IPv4 block. That $3500
> price is cheap too
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6
> as fast as I can!
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> That's actually a pretty good price.
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev"  wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style
>>> websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Jon Langeler]

Until you realize it might be easier to just buy an IPv4 block. That $3500 
price is cheap too 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6 as 
> fast as I can!
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>> That's actually a pretty good price.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev"  wrote:
>>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style websites, 
>>> which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to IPv6
as fast as I can!

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> That's actually a pretty good price.
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev"  wrote:
>
>> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style
>> websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Reynolds]

That's actually a pretty good price.

On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev"  wrote:

> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style
> websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Reynolds]

This.

On Nov 11, 2016 7:41 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:

> That is the going rate for a /24 these days.. it's only going to go up.
>
> > On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Dev  wrote:
> >
> > Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style
> websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Josh Baird]

That is the going rate for a /24 these days.. it's only going to go up.

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Dev  wrote:
> 
> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style websites, 
> which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?

[AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives?

[Dev]

Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com style websites, 
which seem like highway robbery at $3584 current bid for a /24?