Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-12 Thread Josh Luthman 
I'm trying to keep the customers not make them light my equipment on fire.
:)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 8:55 AM, D. Ryan Spott <rsp...@ngc457.com> wrote:

> Just find the crappiest, loudest generator you can then remove the
> muffler. Have it run 48 hours per fuel refill or drop a 55gal drum there.
>
> If they are onsite in a trailer they will be begging for an extension
> cord, conduit or other alternative.
>
> Hrm, maybe my Seattle passive aggressive is sneaking out.
>
> ryan
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | communities
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
> 425-939-0047 <(425)%20939-0047>
>
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 13:13, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Only if I can repurpose the laser later for "Master of the Universe"
> purposes.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Steam line, air line, rotating shaft.
>> Chain or belt and pulley system.
>> Natural gas pipeline and thermoelectric generator
>> Fire hose spraying against a water wheel.
>> Ditch and water wheel
>> High intensity laser.
>> 1 kW magnetron into a high gain antenna with a similar antenna at the
>> other end.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>
>> Run a water line an install a micro turbine..
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:39 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>
>> This sounds like he just doesn't want anything in the ground.   But,
>> Does no wires extend to extension cords?
>>
>> I've at least once stuck a nonpen on the ground and ran an extension cord
>> to it.  or for longer distances so cord.
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2017 1:21 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the land
>> owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then
>>> $15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new
>>> service put in.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's
>>>> about $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge
>>>> controller, enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.
>>>>
>>>> Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
>>>>> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
>>>>> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for
>>>>> 24 volts.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>>>>
>>>>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I
>>>>> have a site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a
>>>>> trailer.  Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>>>>
>>>>> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the
>>>>> yard for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much
>>>>> panel/battery do I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to
>>>>> run for months, so we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or
>>>>> two?
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-12 Thread D. Ryan Spott 
Just find the crappiest, loudest generator you can then remove the muffler. 
Have it run 48 hours per fuel refill or drop a 55gal drum there. 

If they are onsite in a trailer they will be begging for an extension cord, 
conduit or other alternative.

Hrm, maybe my Seattle passive aggressive is sneaking out. 

ryan

-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 13:13, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Only if I can repurpose the laser later for "Master of the Universe" purposes.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> Steam line, air line, rotating shaft.
>> Chain or belt and pulley system.
>> Natural gas pipeline and thermoelectric generator
>> Fire hose spraying against a water wheel.
>> Ditch and water wheel
>> High intensity laser. 
>> 1 kW magnetron into a high gain antenna with a similar antenna at the other 
>> end.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:40 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>  
>> Run a water line an install a micro turbine..
>>  
>> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:39 PM
>> To: af
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>  
>> This sounds like he just doesn't want anything in the ground.   But,  Does 
>> no wires extend to extension cords? 
>>  
>> I've at least once stuck a nonpen on the ground and ran an extension cord to 
>> it.  or for longer distances so cord.
>>  
>> On Jul 10, 2017 1:21 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the land 
>> owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(
>>  
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then 
>>> $15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new 
>>> service put in.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>  
>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>> Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about 
>>>> $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller, 
>>>> enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.
>>>>  
>>>> Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown<ch...@wbmfg.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
>>>>> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
>>>>> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for 24 
>>>>> volts. 
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: Josh Luthman
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>>>>  
>>>>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a 
>>>>> site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.  
>>>>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>>>>  
>>>>> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard 
>>>>> for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery 
>>>>> do I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for 
>>>>> months, so we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or two?
>>>>>  
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-11 Thread Josh Luthman 
Only if I can repurpose the laser later for "Master of the Universe"
purposes.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Steam line, air line, rotating shaft.
> Chain or belt and pulley system.
> Natural gas pipeline and thermoelectric generator
> Fire hose spraying against a water wheel.
> Ditch and water wheel
> High intensity laser.
> 1 kW magnetron into a high gain antenna with a similar antenna at the
> other end.
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>
> Run a water line an install a micro turbine..
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:39 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>
> This sounds like he just doesn't want anything in the ground.   But,  Does
> no wires extend to extension cords?
>
> I've at least once stuck a nonpen on the ground and ran an extension cord
> to it.  or for longer distances so cord.
>
> On Jul 10, 2017 1:21 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the land
> owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then
>> $15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new
>> service put in.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's
>>> about $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge
>>> controller, enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.
>>>
>>> Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
>>>> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
>>>> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for
>>>> 24 volts.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>>>
>>>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have
>>>> a site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
>>>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>>>
>>>> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard
>>>> for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do
>>>> I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so
>>>> we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or
>>>> two?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-11 Thread Josh Luthman 
No extension cords - our first choice as this is a temporary deal.  No
conduit in the ground, either.

I would absolutely love to do a nonpen + extension cord over this mess!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> This sounds like he just doesn't want anything in the ground.   But,  Does
> no wires extend to extension cords?
>
> I've at least once stuck a nonpen on the ground and ran an extension cord
> to it.  or for longer distances so cord.
>
> On Jul 10, 2017 1:21 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the land
> owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then
>> $15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new
>> service put in.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's
>>> about $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge
>>> controller, enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.
>>>
>>> Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
>>>> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
>>>> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for
>>>> 24 volts.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>>>
>>>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have
>>>> a site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
>>>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>>>
>>>> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard
>>>> for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do
>>>> I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so
>>>> we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or
>>>> two?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-11 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 7/11/17 11:43, Chuck McCown wrote:

Steam line, air line, rotating shaft.
Chain or belt and pulley system.
Natural gas pipeline and thermoelectric generator
Fire hose spraying against a water wheel.
Ditch and water wheel
High intensity laser.
1 kW magnetron into a high gain antenna with a similar antenna at the 
other end.



Tesla coil.

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-11 Thread Chuck McCown 
Steam line, air line, rotating shaft.
Chain or belt and pulley system.
Natural gas pipeline and thermoelectric generator
Fire hose spraying against a water wheel.
Ditch and water wheel
High intensity laser.  
1 kW magnetron into a high gain antenna with a similar antenna at the other end.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

Run a water line an install a micro turbine..

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:39 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

This sounds like he just doesn't want anything in the ground.   But,  Does no 
wires extend to extension cords?  

I've at least once stuck a nonpen on the ground and ran an extension cord to 
it.  or for longer distances so cord. 

On Jul 10, 2017 1:21 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

  Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the land 
owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then 
$15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new service 
put in.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

  Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about 
$900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller, 
enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.

  Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

200+ watts.  So one panel.
And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for 
24 volts.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have 
a site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.  
Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh). 

The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard 
for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do I 
need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so we 
don't have to deal with winter nights.

Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or 
two?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-11 Thread Chuck McCown 
Run a water line an install a micro turbine..

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:39 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

This sounds like he just doesn't want anything in the ground.   But,  Does no 
wires extend to extension cords?  

I've at least once stuck a nonpen on the ground and ran an extension cord to 
it.  or for longer distances so cord. 

On Jul 10, 2017 1:21 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

  Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the land 
owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then 
$15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new service 
put in.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

  Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about 
$900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller, 
enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.

  Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

200+ watts.  So one panel.
And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for 
24 volts.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have 
a site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.  
Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh). 

The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard 
for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do I 
need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so we 
don't have to deal with winter nights.

Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or 
two?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-11 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
This sounds like he just doesn't want anything in the ground.   But,  Does
no wires extend to extension cords?

I've at least once stuck a nonpen on the ground and ran an extension cord
to it.  or for longer distances so cord.

On Jul 10, 2017 1:21 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the land
owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

> Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then
> $15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new
> service put in.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about
>> $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller,
>> enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.
>>
>> Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
>>> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
>>> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for
>>> 24 volts.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>>
>>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have
>>> a site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
>>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>>
>>> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard
>>> for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do
>>> I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so
>>> we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>>>
>>> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or
>>> two?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
POP site.

The customer is leveling the house and doesn't want any wires/conduit in
the yard.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 7/10/17 11:40, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a
>> site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>
>>
> Is this a POP site for you, or just a customer that says they need
> internet but you're not allowed to have power?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Dave 
I can remember my Grandfather telling me a story about his neighbor not 
allowing power lines on his farm to my grandfathers home.
I am not going to repeat the racist slurs and bad names he called this 
guy but all said and done my Grandfather got his power as member of
the forestry commission he had found that the neighbor extended his 
property line more than a half acre in one direction on to forestry land 
and

cut all the trees. Needless to say dont be D!@K.



On 07/10/2017 02:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the 
land owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com 
<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:


Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then
$15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a
new service put in.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting -
it's about $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel,
battery, charge controller, enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity
is 1248 watt hours.

Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

200+ watts.  So one panel.
And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50
amp hours for 24 volts.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
        *To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with
this, but I have a site where they're taking down the
house/power and living in a trailer.  Trailer has to have
Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole
out in the yard for service. Figure this is about 10 watt
load.  How much panel/battery do I need?  This is not
mission critical and only needs to run for months, so we
don't have to deal with winter nights.
Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the
next day or two?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373






--

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Chuck McCown 
Panels are going for under 50 cents per watt.   Batts can be had for 15 cents 
per watt hour.  Controllers are about $200.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about $900 
before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller, enclosure, 
etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.

Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  200+ watts.  So one panel.
  And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
  10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for 24 
volts.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

  Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a 
site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.  
Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh). 

  The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard for 
service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do I need? 
 This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so we don't 
have to deal with winter nights.

  Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or two?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Wholesale Solar has kits

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 10, 2017 1:27 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 7/10/17 11:40, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a
>> site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>
>>
> Is this a POP site for you, or just a customer that says they need
> internet but you're not allowed to have power?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 7/10/17 11:40, Josh Luthman wrote:
Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have 
a site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a 
trailer.  Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).




Is this a POP site for you, or just a customer that says they need 
internet but you're not allowed to have power?

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
Land owner said no.  I could easily trench and conduit but when the land
owner says "no wires" they mean absolutely no wires =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

> Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then
> $15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new
> service put in.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about
>> $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller,
>> enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.
>>
>> Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
>>> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
>>> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for
>>> 24 volts.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>>
>>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have
>>> a site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
>>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>>
>>> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard
>>> for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do
>>> I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so
>>> we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>>>
>>> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or
>>> two?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Chuck Hogg 
Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then
$15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new
service put in.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about
> $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller,
> enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.
>
> Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
>> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
>> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for 24
>> volts.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>
>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a
>> site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>
>> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard
>> for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do
>> I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so
>> we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>>
>> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or two?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about
$900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller,
enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.

Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for 24
> volts.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>
> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a
> site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>
> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard
> for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do
> I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so
> we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>
> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or two?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Chuck McCown 
200+ watts.  So one panel.
And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for 24 
volts.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a site 
where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.  Trailer has 
to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh). 

The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard for 
service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do I need? 
 This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so we don't 
have to deal with winter nights.

Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or two?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

2017-07-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a
site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).

The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard for
service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do I
need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so we
don't have to deal with winter nights.

Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or two?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373