Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Eric Muehleisen]

Is it cheaper than a 450 SM + 27RD?

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
wrote:

> Easier to assemble, looks way better (professional) 40 mbps key included,
> less pieces to stock
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Bill Prince <
> part15...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 7:11 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>
> So even though it has the same gain, and wider beam width, it performs
> better?
>
> bp
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We moved to 450d and never looked back…
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Bill Prince <
>> part15...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>>
>> For folks that are using the PMP450d (semi-integrated dish). It has about
>> the same gain as a small reflector with a stock PMP450 SM, but slightly
>> larger beamwidth 7° versus 6° for the RD. Do you find that it performs
>> about the same or a little better or worse?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We still have about 50 of the regular 450 SMs 20MBit NIB, if anybody
>>> needs some.
>>> hit me offlist if you have a need
>>>
>>> Paul, PDMNet
>>> --
>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup [
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 09, 2017 6:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>>>
>>> I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM
>>> hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>>
>>> List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will
>>> be $349.  Standard discounts apply.
>>>
>>> The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the
>>> people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really
>>> interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they
>>> make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A
>>> 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it
>>> needs to be about $300'ish, but that will put it cheaper than the existing
>>> un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too much because that's approaching 450i
>>> pricing which is much more rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to
>>> lower the price of the existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a
>>> problem because there are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future
>>> SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the
>>> already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like someone is going to
>>> have to make some hard decisions on how they price this stuff.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.
>>>>
>>>> The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and
>>>> all, which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.
>>>>
>>>> The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses
>>>> the 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic
>>>> like the Force180's and 200's.
>>>>
>>>> 450b is Force180 

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Gino A. Villarini]

Easier to assemble, looks way better (professional) 40 mbps key included, less 
pieces to stock

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Bill 
Prince <part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 7:11 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

So even though it has the same gain, and wider beam width, it performs better?

bp




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
We moved to 450d and never looked back…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Bill 
Prince <part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

For folks that are using the PMP450d (semi-integrated dish). It has about the 
same gain as a small reflector with a stock PMP450 SM, but slightly larger 
beamwidth 7° versus 6° for the RD. Do you find that it performs about the same 
or a little better or worse?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We still have about 50 of the regular 450 SMs 20MBit NIB, if anybody needs some.
hit me offlist if you have a need

Paul, PDMNet

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of 
George Skorup [george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM 
hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz anyway.

On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will be 
$349.  Standard discounts apply.

The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519<tel:(312)%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826<tel:(574)%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the people 
that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really interesting to see 
how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they make it too cheap then 
why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP 
price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it needs to be about $300'ish, but 
that will put it cheaper than the existing un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too 
much because that's approaching 450i pricing which is much more rugged 
hardware. Sounds like they may have to lower the price of the existing product 
line, (un-likely). That would be a problem because there are a lot of WISPS 
with contract pricing for future SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM 
is cheaper than what the already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like 
someone is going to have to make some hard decisions on how they price this 
stuff.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.

The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and all, which 
simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.

The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the 450i 
SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic like the 
Force180's and 200's.

450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be called.

On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all the 
existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference between a 
450d and 450b?


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Hey Kurt,

The first of the 450b units will hit in July

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Bill Prince]

And to what distance?

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So even though it has the same gain, and wider beam width, it performs
> better?
>
> bp
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We moved to 450d and never looked back…
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Bill Prince <
>> part15...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>>
>> For folks that are using the PMP450d (semi-integrated dish). It has about
>> the same gain as a small reflector with a stock PMP450 SM, but slightly
>> larger beamwidth 7° versus 6° for the RD. Do you find that it performs
>> about the same or a little better or worse?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We still have about 50 of the regular 450 SMs 20MBit NIB, if anybody
>>> needs some.
>>> hit me offlist if you have a need
>>>
>>> Paul, PDMNet
>>> --
>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup [
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 09, 2017 6:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>>>
>>> I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM
>>> hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>>
>>> List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will
>>> be $349.  Standard discounts apply.
>>>
>>> The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the
>>> people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really
>>> interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they
>>> make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A
>>> 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it
>>> needs to be about $300'ish, but that will put it cheaper than the existing
>>> un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too much because that's approaching 450i
>>> pricing which is much more rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to
>>> lower the price of the existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a
>>> problem because there are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future
>>> SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the
>>> already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like someone is going to
>>> have to make some hard decisions on how they price this stuff.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.
>>>>
>>>> The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and
>>>> all, which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.
>>>>
>>>> The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses
>>>> the 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic
>>>> like the Force180's and 200's.
>>>>
>>>> 450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be
>>>> called.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all
>>>> the existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference
>>>> between a 450d and 450b?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Bill Prince]

So even though it has the same gain, and wider beam width, it performs
better?

bp

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
wrote:

> We moved to 450d and never looked back…
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Bill Prince <
> part15...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>
> For folks that are using the PMP450d (semi-integrated dish). It has about
> the same gain as a small reflector with a stock PMP450 SM, but slightly
> larger beamwidth 7° versus 6° for the RD. Do you find that it performs
> about the same or a little better or worse?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
>> We still have about 50 of the regular 450 SMs 20MBit NIB, if anybody
>> needs some.
>> hit me offlist if you have a need
>>
>> Paul, PDMNet
>> --
>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup [
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 09, 2017 6:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>>
>> I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM
>> hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz
>> anyway.
>>
>> On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>
>> List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will
>> be $349.  Standard discounts apply.
>>
>> The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the
>> people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really
>> interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they
>> make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A
>> 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it
>> needs to be about $300'ish, but that will put it cheaper than the existing
>> un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too much because that's approaching 450i
>> pricing which is much more rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to
>> lower the price of the existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a
>> problem because there are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future
>> SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the
>> already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like someone is going to
>> have to make some hard decisions on how they price this stuff.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.
>>>
>>> The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and
>>> all, which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.
>>>
>>> The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the
>>> 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic
>>> like the Force180's and 200's.
>>>
>>> 450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be
>>> called.
>>>
>>> On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all
>>> the existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference
>>> between a 450d and 450b?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Kurt,
>>>>
>>>> The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated
>>>> units that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the
>>>> Force 200 are supposed to be available in October.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>>>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the
>>>> 450 (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down
>>>> to 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen
>>>> by end of 1st quarter this year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>



-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Gino A. Villarini]

We moved to 450d and never looked back…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Bill 
Prince <part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

For folks that are using the PMP450d (semi-integrated dish). It has about the 
same gain as a small reflector with a stock PMP450 SM, but slightly larger 
beamwidth 7° versus 6° for the RD. Do you find that it performs about the same 
or a little better or worse?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We still have about 50 of the regular 450 SMs 20MBit NIB, if anybody needs some.
hit me offlist if you have a need

Paul, PDMNet

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of 
George Skorup [george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM 
hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz anyway.

On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will be 
$349.  Standard discounts apply.

The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519<tel:(312)%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826<tel:(574)%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the people 
that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really interesting to see 
how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they make it too cheap then 
why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP 
price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it needs to be about $300'ish, but 
that will put it cheaper than the existing un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too 
much because that's approaching 450i pricing which is much more rugged 
hardware. Sounds like they may have to lower the price of the existing product 
line, (un-likely). That would be a problem because there are a lot of WISPS 
with contract pricing for future SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM 
is cheaper than what the already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like 
someone is going to have to make some hard decisions on how they price this 
stuff.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.

The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and all, which 
simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.

The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the 450i 
SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic like the 
Force180's and 200's.

450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be called.

On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all the 
existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference between a 
450d and 450b?


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Hey Kurt,

The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated units 
that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the Force 200 
are supposed to be available in October.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519<tel:%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826<tel:%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the 450 
(5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down to 
5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen by end 
of 1st quarter this year.







--
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Bill Prince]

For folks that are using the PMP450d (semi-integrated dish). It has about
the same gain as a small reflector with a stock PMP450 SM, but slightly
larger beamwidth 7° versus 6° for the RD. Do you find that it performs
about the same or a little better or worse?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> We still have about 50 of the regular 450 SMs 20MBit NIB, if anybody needs
> some.
> hit me offlist if you have a need
>
> Paul, PDMNet
> --
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup [
> george.sko...@cbcast.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 09, 2017 6:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's
>
> I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM
> hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz
> anyway.
>
> On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>
> List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will
> be $349.  Standard discounts apply.
>
> The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the
> people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really
> interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they
> make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A
> 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it
> needs to be about $300'ish, but that will put it cheaper than the existing
> un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too much because that's approaching 450i
> pricing which is much more rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to
> lower the price of the existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a
> problem because there are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future
> SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the
> already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like someone is going to
> have to make some hard decisions on how they price this stuff.
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.
>>
>> The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and all,
>> which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.
>>
>> The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the
>> 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic
>> like the Force180's and 200's.
>>
>> 450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be
>> called.
>>
>> On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all
>> the existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference
>> between a 450d and 450b?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Kurt,
>>>
>>> The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated
>>> units that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the
>>> Force 200 are supposed to be available in October.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the
>>> 450 (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down
>>> to 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen
>>> by end of 1st quarter this year.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Paul McCall]

We still have about 50 of the regular 450 SMs 20MBit NIB, if anybody needs some.
hit me offlist if you have a need

Paul, PDMNet

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup 
[george.sko...@cbcast.com]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM 
hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz anyway.

On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will be 
$349.  Standard discounts apply.

The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the people 
that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really interesting to see 
how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they make it too cheap then 
why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP 
price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it needs to be about $300'ish, but 
that will put it cheaper than the existing un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too 
much because that's approaching 450i pricing which is much more rugged 
hardware. Sounds like they may have to lower the price of the existing product 
line, (un-likely). That would be a problem because there are a lot of WISPS 
with contract pricing for future SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM 
is cheaper than what the already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like 
someone is going to have to make some hard decisions on how they price this 
stuff.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.

The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and all, which 
simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.

The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the 450i 
SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic like the 
Force180's and 200's.

450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be called.

On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all the 
existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference between a 
450d and 450b?


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Hey Kurt,

The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated units 
that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the Force 200 
are supposed to be available in October.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519<tel:%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826<tel:%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the 450 
(5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down to 
5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen by end 
of 1st quarter this year.

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[George Skorup]

I'm sure at some point they'll cease production on the original 450 SM 
hardware, like they already have with the original 450 AP. At least 5GHz 
anyway.


On 6/9/2017 4:31 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish 
will be $349.  Standard discounts apply.


The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote:


they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to 
the people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be 
really interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 
radio. If they make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old 
style SM's anymore? A 450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. 
Personally in my opinion it needs to be about $300'ish, but that will 
put it cheaper than the existing un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too 
much because that's approaching 450i pricing which is much more 
rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to lower the price of the 
existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a problem because 
there are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future SM 
purchases that will be pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the 
already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like someone is 
going to have to make some hard decisions on how they price this stuff.


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:


Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.

The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna
and all, which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.

The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped.
Uses the 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is
polarity agnostic like the Force180's and 200's.

450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will
be called.

On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to
uncap all the existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's
the difference between a 450d and 450b?


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> wrote:

Hey Kurt,

The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the
integrated units that are built like the Force 180. The ones
that are similar to the Force 200 are supposed to be
available in October.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>
wrote:


Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new
CPE's for the 450 (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput
and will work all the way down to 5.1ghz at the $300-$350
price range? I thought it was supposed to happen by end of
1st quarter this year.

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will be 
$349.  Standard discounts apply.

The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the 
> people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really 
> interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they 
> make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A 450 
> 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it needs to 
> be about $300'ish, but that will put it cheaper than the existing un-capped 
> 450. And $400.00 is too much because that's approaching 450i pricing which is 
> much more rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to lower the price of 
> the existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a problem because there 
> are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future SM purchases that will be 
> pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the already committed to. I really 
> don't know, sounds like someone is going to have to make some hard decisions 
> on how they price this stuff.
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup  
>> wrote:
>> Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and all, 
>> which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.
>> 
>> The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the 
>> 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic like 
>> the Force180's and 200's.
>> 
>> 450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be 
>> called.
>> 
>>> On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>> So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all the 
>>> existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference between a 
>>> 450d and 450b?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  
 wrote:
>>> 
 Hey Kurt,
 
 The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated 
 units that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the 
 Force 200 are supposed to be available in October.
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
 wrote:
 
> Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the 450 
> (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down to 
> 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen 
> by end of 1st quarter this year.
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Kurt Fankhauser]

they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the
people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really
interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they
make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A
450 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it
needs to be about $300'ish, but that will put it cheaper than the existing
un-capped 450. And $400.00 is too much because that's approaching 450i
pricing which is much more rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to
lower the price of the existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a
problem because there are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future
SM purchases that will be pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the
already committed to. I really don't know, sounds like someone is going to
have to make some hard decisions on how they price this stuff.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.
>
> The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and all,
> which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.
>
> The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the
> 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic
> like the Force180's and 200's.
>
> 450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be
> called.
>
> On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all
> the existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference
> between a 450d and 450b?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Kurt,
>>
>> The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated
>> units that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the
>> Force 200 are supposed to be available in October.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the 450
>> (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down to
>> 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen by
>> end of 1st quarter this year.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[George Skorup]

Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.

The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and 
all, which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.


The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the 
450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic 
like the Force180's and 200's.


450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be called.

On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap 
all the existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the 
difference between a 450d and 450b?



On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:


Hey Kurt,

The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the
integrated units that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that
are similar to the Force 200 are supposed to be available in October.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:


Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for
the 450 (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all
the way down to 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it
was supposed to happen by end of 1st quarter this year.

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Ryan Ray]

So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all the
existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference between a
450d and 450b?


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Hey Kurt,
>
> The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated
> units that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the
> Force 200 are supposed to be available in October.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the 450
> (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down to
> 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen by
> end of 1st quarter this year.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hey Kurt,

The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated units 
that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the Force 200 
are supposed to be available in October.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the 450 
> (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down to 
> 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen by 
> end of 1st quarter this year.