[AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev wrote: > I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam > steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), > anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium > 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why? >
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
450m can do 500mbps in 20 mhz… From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote: I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
Not to a single end point On Jan 23, 2017 12:26 PM, "Gino Villarini" wrote: > 450m can do 500mbps in 20 mhz… > > From: Af on behalf of Joe Novak > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM > To: "af@afmug.com" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m > > 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/ > uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf > > I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business > sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't > be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. > > > > > *Gino Villarini* > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev wrote: > >> I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam >> steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), >> anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium >> 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why? >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
Of course, neither the Radwin Jet From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:33 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m Not to a single end point Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] On Jan 23, 2017 12:26 PM, "Gino Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: 450m can do 500mbps in 20 mhz… From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote: I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
I did overlook the fact that beam steering may very well help larger channel widths, so keep this in mind. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Joe Novak wrote: > 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/ > uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf > > I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business > sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't > be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev wrote: > >> I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam >> steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), >> anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium >> 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why? >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
Yeah, these mythical 80M channels don’t exist for almost any operators, especially if you want to co-locate a few AP’s, basically it’s a question of what you can realistically get down a 20M channel with mild interference in the area and can still afford at the prices people are willing to pay. >> >> did overlook the fact that beam steering may very well help larger channel widths, so keep this in mind. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Joe Novak wrote: > 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/ > uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf > > I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business > sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't > be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev wrote: > >> I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam >> steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I?m looking at the right units), >> anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium >> 450m? They both look pretty tasty?which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
Surely your interference levels are better than mine in the suburban portion of my network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Joe Novak" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:10:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote: I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
We used Radwin 5000 (without jet). It is a high quality wifi-based solution. Hardware is very rugged and software quality is better than mikrotik/ubnt/cambium. RF-wise they are limited to what the atheros-chipset does. So no magic there but very predictable stable performance. The interface was good but uncommon. As I have seen they move toward normal web based interface. They do local sync and gps sync. Problem is the pricing and availability. Pricing did not allow to use them for residential. We got them direct from israel. They were late with .ac based stuff (as epmp is, still). Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 13:41 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m Surely your interference levels are better than mine in the suburban portion of my network. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Joe Novak" mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:10:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote: I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
Being atheros based, its difficult to grasp how they cant produce a low cost residential sub unit… they could even OEM it to other vendor and run Radwin code on it… When we tested the platform, you could not oversubscribe the AP capacity. I believe that changed… From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 9:14 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m We used Radwin 5000 (without jet). It is a high quality wifi-based solution. Hardware is very rugged and software quality is better than mikrotik/ubnt/cambium. RF-wise they are limited to what the atheros-chipset does. So no magic there but very predictable stable performance. The interface was good but uncommon. As I have seen they move toward normal web based interface. They do local sync and gps sync. Problem is the pricing and availability. Pricing did not allow to use them for residential. We got them direct from israel. They were late with .ac based stuff (as epmp is, still). Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 13:41 An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m Surely your interference levels are better than mine in the suburban portion of my network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Joe Novak" mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:10:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote: I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
They claim to be residential friendly now, but I don't know what that actually turns into. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 7:20:45 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m Being atheros based, its difficult to grasp how they cant produce a low cost residential sub unit… they could even OEM it to other vendor and run Radwin code on it … When we tested the platform, you could not oversubscribe the AP capacity. I believe that changed … From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 9:14 AM To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m We used Radwin 5000 (without jet). It is a high quality wifi-based solution. Hardware is very rugged and software quality is better than mikrotik/ubnt/cambium. RF-wise they are limited to what the atheros-chipset does. So no magic there but very predictable stable performance. The interface was good but uncommon. As I have seen they move toward normal web based interface. They do local sync and gps sync. Problem is the pricing and availability. Pricing did not allow to use them for residential. We got them direct from israel. They were late with .ac based stuff (as epmp is, still). Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Von: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 13:41 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m Surely your interference levels are better than mine in the suburban portion of my network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Joe Novak" < jno...@lrcomm.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:10:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote: I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
Yes. Oversubsription is possible. There pricing is with business customers in mind. CPEs are rugged. So they should have made a low cost less rugged cpe. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 14:21 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m Being atheros based, its difficult to grasp how they cant produce a low cost residential sub unit... they could even OEM it to other vendor and run Radwin code on it... When we tested the platform, you could not oversubscribe the AP capacity. I believe that changed... From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " mailto:af@afmug.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 9:14 AM To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m We used Radwin 5000 (without jet). It is a high quality wifi-based solution. Hardware is very rugged and software quality is better than mikrotik/ubnt/cambium. RF-wise they are limited to what the atheros-chipset does. So no magic there but very predictable stable performance. The interface was good but uncommon. As I have seen they move toward normal web based interface. They do local sync and gps sync. Problem is the pricing and availability. Pricing did not allow to use them for residential. We got them direct from israel. They were late with .ac based stuff (as epmp is, still). Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 13:41 An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m Surely your interference levels are better than mine in the suburban portion of my network. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Joe Novak" mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:10:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote: I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I'm looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty...which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
Obviously it would have less throughput, but it looks like it supports 3.65 as well. Well, not the same radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dev" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:05:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
I believe Cambium 450M still has the highest bits/Hz On 1/23/2017 1:25 PM, Dev wrote: Yeah, these mythical 80M channels don’t exist for almost any operators, especially if you want to co-locate a few AP’s, basically it’s a question of what you can realistically get down a 20M channel with mild interference in the area and can still afford at the prices people are willing to pay. did overlook the fact that beam steering may very well help larger channel widths, so keep this in mind. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Joe Novak wrote: 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/ uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev wrote: I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I?m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty?which would you deploy and why? --
