subject:"Re\: \[AFMUG\] Aggrigation of upstream"

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-21 Thread Mike Hammett

Cable, FIOS, muni fiber, etc. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:56:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

Any low end circuit with a uncooperative isp behind it 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Bruce Robertson < br...@pooh.com > wrote: 

I'm confused by the "since smaller pipes can't speak BGP" part. I've run BGP 
over 56 Kb/s circuits. What kind of small circuit are you talking about that 
can't speak BGP? 

On 04/18/2015 12:23 PM, TJ Trout wrote: 

I am looking for hardware and or service to agrigate multiple low end 
connections to make one virtual pipe that I can use for bgp since the smaller 
pipes can't speak bgp. 
Can mikrotik do bonding reliably? 
On Apr 18, 2015 6:44 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 

I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the 
destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different 
tunnels. 

*shrugs* 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:29:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

I'm not really clear on what TJ is looking to accomplish here. The bonding of 
multiple fibers together I understand ... then the final "bonded connection" 
would connect via BGP to an upstream provider? 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Butch Evans 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:55 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

On 04/17/2015 02:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote: 
> Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber 
> circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ? 

I've not seen anyone do this commercially, but I can make this happen for you 
if you like. Let me know if you want to explore this, as I don't have this set 
up just yet as a commercial service. FWIW, I have done this on a couple of 
occasions (minus the BGP), but even the BGP session should be easily done. 

-- 
Butch Evans 
702-537-0979 
Network Support and Engineering 
http://store.wispgear.net/ 
http://www.butchevans.com/ 

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Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-21 Thread TJ Trout

Any low end circuit with a uncooperative isp behind it

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:

>  I'm confused by the "since smaller pipes can't speak BGP" part.  I've run
> BGP over 56 Kb/s circuits.  What kind of small circuit are you talking
> about that can't speak BGP?
>
> On 04/18/2015 12:23 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I am looking for hardware and or service to agrigate multiple low end
> connections to make one virtual pipe that I can use for bgp since the
> smaller pipes can't speak bgp.
>
> Can mikrotik do bonding reliably?
> On Apr 18, 2015 6:44 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>>  I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel
>> to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the
>> different tunnels.
>>
>> *shrugs*
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>>  --
>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:29:10 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>> I'm not really clear on what TJ is looking to accomplish here.  The
>> bonding of multiple fibers together I understand ... then the final "bonded
>> connection" would connect via BGP to an upstream provider?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>> On 04/17/2015 02:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>> > Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber
>> > circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session
>> ?
>>
>> I've not seen anyone do this commercially, but I can make this happen for
>> you if you like.  Let me know if you want to explore this, as I don't have
>> this set up just yet as a commercial service.  FWIW, I have done this on a
>> couple of occasions (minus the BGP), but even the BGP session should be
>> easily done.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Butch Evans
>> 702-537-0979
>> Network Support and Engineering
>> http://store.wispgear.net/
>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>>
>>
>>   !DSPAM:2,5532af316924504415602!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-21 Thread Bruce Robertson

I'm confused by the "since smaller pipes can't speak BGP" part. I've run 
BGP over 56 Kb/s circuits.  What kind of small circuit are you talking 
about that can't speak BGP?

On 04/18/2015 12:23 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I am looking for hardware and or service to agrigate multiple low end 
connections to make one virtual pipe that I can use for bgp since the 
smaller pipes can't speak bgp.

Can mikrotik do bonding reliably?

On Apr 18, 2015 6:44 AM, "Mike Hammett" <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a
tunnel to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF
magic over the different tunnels.

*shrugs*

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

*From: *"Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:29:10 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I'm not really clear on what TJ is looking to accomplish here. 
The bonding of multiple fibers together I understand ... then the

final "bonded connection" would connect via BGP to an upstream
provider?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
    Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

On 04/17/2015 02:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
> Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber
> circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp
session ?

I've not seen anyone do this commercially, but I can make this
happen for you if you like.  Let me know if you want to explore
this, as I don't have this set up just yet as a commercial
service.  FWIW, I have done this on a couple of occasions (minus
the BGP), but even the BGP session should be easily done.

--
Butch Evans
702-537-0979 
Network Support and Engineering
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

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Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-20 Thread Dennis Burgess

TJ,

We can do that in-house for you if you wish.  We can do the bonding with MT and 
your own router here in our datacenter, and then go from there.  It will cost 
monthly though for the bandwidth.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net<mailto:den...@linktechs.net> – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I am looking for hardware and or service to agrigate multiple low end 
connections to make one virtual pipe that I can use for bgp since the smaller 
pipes can't speak bgp.

Can mikrotik do bonding reliably?
On Apr 18, 2015 6:44 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the 
destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different 
tunnels.

*shrugs*

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:29:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I'm not really clear on what TJ is looking to accomplish here.  The bonding of 
multiple fibers together I understand ... then the final "bonded connection" 
would connect via BGP to an upstream provider?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Butch Evans
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

On 04/17/2015 02:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
> Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber
> circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

I've not seen anyone do this commercially, but I can make this happen for you 
if you like.  Let me know if you want to explore this, as I don't have this set 
up just yet as a commercial service.  FWIW, I have done this on a couple of 
occasions (minus the BGP), but even the BGP session should be easily done.

--
Butch Evans
702-537-0979
Network Support and Engineering
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-20 Thread David Milholen


if I only had an ATM switch.

On 4/19/2015 12:23 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


Which one?

On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett" <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


My proposal still stands.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*From: *"TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the
ability to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that
is bgp capable (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give
a bgp session) not talking about bonding multiple bgp capable
lines, etc

On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

No community support, no business.

http://www.onesc.net/communities/



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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*From: *"Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard
support and no support at all from some of the transit providers…

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
    *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of
control with them.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>



*From: *"Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over…

    *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hammett
*Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams,
you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is
the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a
box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound,
but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

--------------------

*From: *"Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why
I would want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT
cheap) to influence my outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like
humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a very
limited amount.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis
Bergman
*Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

A few years ago some company proposed a

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-20 Thread Paul Stewart

Yup – that’s a really great example of communities …. One of the best I ever 
seen and used.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

It'd be nice if they had a list like the old N-Layer.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

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  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:33:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I honestly wish that were the case in more companies… my favorite is asking a 
potential transit provider “do you support communities” and the answer is 
almost always “yes”.  Then I ask for a list of them and get a single community 
for black hole routing sent to me … duh…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 7:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

No community support, no business.

http://www.onesc.net/communities/

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier.

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Paul Stewart

Multiplied Networks has a solution for that … I’ve only seen demo and it looked 
pretty good .. going to be building a proof of concept with their stuff in 
another month …

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond 
several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a 
mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding 
multiple bgp capable lines, etc

On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

No community support, no business.

http://www.onesc.net/communities/

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _____  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier.

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett

It'd be nice if they had a list like the old N-Layer. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://midwest-ix.com/ 

- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:33:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 



I honestly wish that were the case in more companies… my favorite is asking a 
potential transit provider “do you support communities” and the answer is 
almost always “yes”. Then I ask for a list of them and get a single community 
for black hole routing sent to me … duh….. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 7:54 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


No community support, no business. 

http://www.onesc.net/communities/ 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




- Original Message -


From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier. 

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Paul Stewart

I honestly wish that were the case in more companies… my favorite is asking a 
potential transit provider “do you support communities” and the answer is 
almost always “yes”.  Then I ask for a list of them and get a single community 
for black hole routing sent to me … duh…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 7:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

No community support, no business.

http://www.onesc.net/communities/

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier.

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett

I'm not sure anyone would offer this given that you should be using 
purpose-built circuits for this. 

I'm not sure it would require much babysitting once it was done, other than the 
reliability of the circuits. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://midwest-ix.com/ 

- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:25:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Yes, I clearly understand how to implement. Just was wondering if someone 
offered it turn-key. 


I'm thinking that mikrotik won't be turn key, might be a big hassle to make and 
keep it working 


On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you can 
get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the 
broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the datacenter. 
Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal connectivity to 
the rest of the network. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://midwest-ix.com/ 



From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:13:09 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for me 
using a mikrotik? 


On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




April 18, 2015 8:44 AM 

= 
I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the 
destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different 
tunnels. 
= 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Which one? 
On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




My proposal still stands. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond 
several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a 
mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding 
multiple bgp capable lines, etc 
On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




No community support, no business. 

http://www.onesc.net/communities/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 



I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 







From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. 



----- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM 
To: af@af

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread TJ Trout

Do you think it's something u can use in a production environment?

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:25 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Yes, I clearly understand how to implement. Just was wondering if someone
> offered it turn-key.
>
> I'm thinking that mikrotik won't be turn key, might be a big hassle to
> make and keep it working
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you
>> can get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the
>> broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the
>> datacenter. Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal
>> connectivity to the rest of the network.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://midwest-ix.com/
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:13:09 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>> I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP
>> for me using a mikrotik?
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> April 18, 2015 8:44 AM
>>>
>>> =
>>> I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel
>>> to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the
>>> different tunnels.
>>> =
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>
>>> Which one?
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> My proposal still stands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability
>>>> to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable
>>>> (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not
>>>> talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc
>>>> On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No community support, no business.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.onesc.net/communities/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread TJ Trout

Yes, I clearly understand how to implement. Just was wondering if someone
offered it turn-key.

I'm thinking that mikrotik won't be turn key, might be a big hassle to make
and keep it working

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you
> can get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the
> broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the
> datacenter. Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal
> connectivity to the rest of the network.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://midwest-ix.com/
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:13:09 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
> I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP
> for me using a mikrotik?
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> April 18, 2015 8:44 AM
>>
>> =
>> I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to
>> the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the
>> different tunnels.
>> =
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>> Which one?
>> On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> My proposal still stands.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>
>>> I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability
>>> to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable
>>> (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not
>>> talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc
>>> On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> No community support, no business.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.onesc.net/communities/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>>
>>>> I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard support
>>>> and no support at all from some of the transit providers…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett

No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you can 
get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the 
broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the datacenter. 
Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal connectivity to 
the rest of the network. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://midwest-ix.com/ 

- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:13:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for me 
using a mikrotik? 


On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




April 18, 2015 8:44 AM 

= 
I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the 
destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different 
tunnels. 
= 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Which one? 
On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




My proposal still stands. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond 
several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a 
mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding 
multiple bgp capable lines, etc 
On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




No community support, no business. 

http://www.onesc.net/communities/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 



I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 







From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier. 

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread TJ Trout

I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for
me using a mikrotik?

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> April 18, 2015 8:44 AM
>
> =
> I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to
> the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the
> different tunnels.
> =
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
> Which one?
> On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> My proposal still stands.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>> I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability
>> to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable
>> (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not
>> talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc
>> On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> No community support, no business.
>>>
>>> http://www.onesc.net/communities/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>
>>> I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard support
>>> and no support at all from some of the transit providers…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>
>>> Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can
>>> shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware
>>> of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they
>>> were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
&

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett

April 18, 2015 8:44 AM 

= 
I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the 
destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different 
tunnels. 
= 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Which one? 
On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




My proposal still stands. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond 
several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a 
mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding 
multiple bgp capable lines, etc 
On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




No community support, no business. 

http://www.onesc.net/communities/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 



I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 







From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier. 

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread TJ Trout

Which one?
On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> My proposal still stands.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
> I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to
> bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e.
> with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking
> about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc
> On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> No community support, no business.
>>
>> http://www.onesc.net/communities/
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>> I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard support and
>> no support at all from some of the transit providers…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>>
>>
>> Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with
>> them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>> Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>>
>>
>> Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape
>> your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of
>> that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were
>> working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>> There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would
>> want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my
>> outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence
>> inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>>
>>
>>
>> A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to
>> manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around.
>> I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp
>> equation depends on the carrier.
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber
>> circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Mike Hammett

My proposal still stands. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond 
several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a 
mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding 
multiple bgp capable lines, etc 
On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




No community support, no business. 

http://www.onesc.net/communities/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 



I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 







From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier. 

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread TJ Trout

I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to
bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e.
with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking
about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc
On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> No community support, no business.
>
> http://www.onesc.net/communities/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
> I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard support and
> no support at all from some of the transit providers…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
>
>
> Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with
> them.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
> Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
>
>
> Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape
> your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of
> that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were
> working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
> There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would
> want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my
> outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence
> inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
>
>
> A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to
> manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around.
> I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp
> equation depends on the carrier.
>
> On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber
> circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Mike Hammett

No community support, no business. 

http://www.onesc.net/communities/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 



I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




- Original Message -


From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier. 

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Paul Stewart

I have used communities a lot...  The problem is non-standard support and no 
support at all from some of the transit providers… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier.

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Mike Hammett

Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 



Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 


Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




- Original Message -


From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 
There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier. 

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Paul Stewart

Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier.

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread TJ Trout

I am looking for hardware and or service to agrigate multiple low end
connections to make one virtual pipe that I can use for bgp since the
smaller pipes can't speak bgp.

Can mikrotik do bonding reliably?
On Apr 18, 2015 6:44 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to
> the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the
> different tunnels.
>
> *shrugs*
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:29:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
> I'm not really clear on what TJ is looking to accomplish here.  The
> bonding of multiple fibers together I understand ... then the final "bonded
> connection" would connect via BGP to an upstream provider?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
>
> On 04/17/2015 02:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
> > Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber
> > circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?
>
> I've not seen anyone do this commercially, but I can make this happen for
> you if you like.  Let me know if you want to explore this, as I don't have
> this set up just yet as a commercial service.  FWIW, I have done this on a
> couple of occasions (minus the BGP), but even the BGP session should be
> easily done.
>
>
> --
> Butch Evans
> 702-537-0979
> Network Support and Engineering
> http://store.wispgear.net/
> http://www.butchevans.com/
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Mike Hammett

I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the 
destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different 
tunnels. 

*shrugs* 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:29:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

I'm not really clear on what TJ is looking to accomplish here. The bonding of 
multiple fibers together I understand ... then the final "bonded connection" 
would connect via BGP to an upstream provider? 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:55 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

On 04/17/2015 02:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote: 
> Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber 
> circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ? 

I've not seen anyone do this commercially, but I can make this happen for you 
if you like. Let me know if you want to explore this, as I don't have this set 
up just yet as a commercial service. FWIW, I have done this on a couple of 
occasions (minus the BGP), but even the BGP session should be easily done. 

-- 
Butch Evans 
702-537-0979 
Network Support and Engineering 
http://store.wispgear.net/ 
http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Mike Hammett

Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your 
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do 
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on 
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 



There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream 

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier. 

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Paul Stewart

I'm not really clear on what TJ is looking to accomplish here.  The bonding of 
multiple fibers together I understand ... then the final "bonded connection" 
would connect via BGP to an upstream provider?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

On 04/17/2015 02:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
> Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber 
> circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

I've not seen anyone do this commercially, but I can make this happen for you 
if you like.  Let me know if you want to explore this, as I don't have this set 
up just yet as a commercial service.  FWIW, I have done this on a couple of 
occasions (minus the BGP), but even the BGP session should be easily done.

--
Butch Evans
702-537-0979
Network Support and Engineering
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-18 Thread Paul Stewart

There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to 
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP 
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a 
very limited amount.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage 
bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I 
personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation 
depends on the carrier.

On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-17 Thread Butch Evans


On 04/17/2015 02:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber
circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?


I've not seen anyone do this commercially, but I can make this happen 
for you if you like.  Let me know if you want to explore this, as I 
don't have this set up just yet as a commercial service.  FWIW, I have 
done this on a couple of occasions (minus the BGP), but even the BGP 
session should be easily done.



--
Butch Evans
702-537-0979
Network Support and Engineering
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-17 Thread Lewis Bergman

A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to
manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around.
I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp
equation depends on the carrier.
On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber
> circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-17 Thread Dennis Burgess

Have to have some kind of datacenter box etc..  i.e. a MT on both ends then 
bonding though tunnels will work, but the bandwidth has to come to a datacenter 
or somewhere where there is already bandwidth then to you.  Added latency.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 2:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream


Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits 
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