Re: [AFMUG] Test - Ignore if you feel like it

[James Howard via Af]

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
Is it an HTML issue?  It's breaking every message into a message and 2 
attachments for me.  The .txt and .htm versions of the actual message.

Seems to have started with Ray Savich's message at 12:39pm (Central time) today.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Test - Ignore if you feel like it

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Bill Prince via Af]

Oh yeah.  I remember that stuff.  I'm roughly the same vintage.

However,we do watch TV together still.  Kind of a Friday, Saturday, or 
Sunday night thing with us.  We will pull out the DVD from the Netflix 
envelope; discover what it is (we don't watch the queue except to fill 
it), and watch the surprise movie together. Sometimes there's popcorn.  
Usually a beer and/or a glass of wine.


bp

On 9/18/2014 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I went to college around 1970.  It was the first time you had to live 
with and get along with people outside your immediate family.


It involved an archaic experience called the TV lounge.  Yes we had 
color TV, but there was just one of them in the dorm, and 50+ people 
would gather and watch what would now be called "linear TV".  So this 
involved a community decision what show to watch.  I guess the closest 
experience today would be something like a sports bar where everyone 
watches a certain game. Anyway, certain shows were automatic like Star 
Trek or Laugh In or Rocky & Bullwinkle.


I wonder how many of today's inability of people to compromise and get 
along is driven by the fact that you no longer have 50 people deciding 
what show to watch.  Families don't even all watch a show on TV 
together.  Everyone has their "device" and chooses their own on-demand 
programming while living in their one-person bubble. I'll bet boot 
camp in the Army is quite the shocker for most recruits.  Or maybe 
boot camp these days is not what I think. Maybe it's all on an iPad now.



-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Ahhh, moving snow that talked.  3 channels (in theory, depending on 
weather,

refraction etc).
Color actually made things worse for those of us in the very rural areas.

Department stores selling "color" TV antennas.
Motels with the "COLOR TV" signs outside.
You can still see a few of those once in a while.

Gathering at the neighbor's house to see the NBC peacock on their 
color TV.


I have a list of archaic sayings that I have collected over the years 
from
my (now all grown) kids.  Whenever I would say something puzzling to 
them, I
would add it to the list if it was determined to be an archaic 
saying.  Like
saying "they were out sparking"; even "running like OJ Simpson" made 
it to
the list.  One of my sayings that should probably be on the list is my 
idea

of a good time: "room service and a color TV".

-Original Message----- From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image.  It
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle.  Of course the only
way to send such an email is to use HTML format.  But if I do that 
without
the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to 
the

list.  Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance.  OK, how many people here 
other than

Chuck have even seen a B&W TV?  Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head).  Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email 
has just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have 
images (like logos) in their signatures.


-Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Bill Prince via Af]

Yeah.  Inline = HTML.  Attachments can be done with vanilla mail.

bp

On 9/18/2014 11:30 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

Looks like attachments work.  It's the inline images that are a problem.  Paul's 
looking at it (and B&W tv).

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray 
via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af 
<mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> wrote:


I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only
way to send such an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without
the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the
list. Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other
than Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:


At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has
just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images
(like logos) in their signatures.

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:


bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:


I don't want a job! I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than
I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking
through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from
WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I went to college around 1970.  It was the first time you had to live with 
and get along with people outside your immediate family.


It involved an archaic experience called the TV lounge.  Yes we had color 
TV, but there was just one of them in the dorm, and 50+ people would gather 
and watch what would now be called "linear TV".  So this involved a 
community decision what show to watch.  I guess the closest experience today 
would be something like a sports bar where everyone watches a certain game. 
Anyway, certain shows were automatic like Star Trek or Laugh In or Rocky & 
Bullwinkle.


I wonder how many of today's inability of people to compromise and get along 
is driven by the fact that you no longer have 50 people deciding what show 
to watch.  Families don't even all watch a show on TV together.  Everyone 
has their "device" and chooses their own on-demand programming while living 
in their one-person bubble.  I'll bet boot camp in the Army is quite the 
shocker for most recruits.  Or maybe boot camp these days is not what I 
think.  Maybe it's all on an iPad now.



-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Ahhh, moving snow that talked.  3 channels (in theory, depending on weather,
refraction etc).
Color actually made things worse for those of us in the very rural areas.

Department stores selling "color" TV antennas.
Motels with the "COLOR TV" signs outside.
You can still see a few of those once in a while.

Gathering at the neighbor's house to see the NBC peacock on their color TV.

I have a list of archaic sayings that I have collected over the years from
my (now all grown) kids.  Whenever I would say something puzzling to them, I
would add it to the list if it was determined to be an archaic saying.  Like
saying "they were out sparking"; even "running like OJ Simpson" made it to
the list.  One of my sayings that should probably be on the list is my idea
of a good time: "room service and a color TV".

-Original Message----- 
From: Ken Hohhof via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image.  It
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle.  Of course the only
way to send such an email is to use HTML format.  But if I do that without
the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the
list.  Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance.  OK, how many people here other than
Chuck have even seen a B&W TV?  Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message----- 
From: Bill Prince via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head).  Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has 
just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images 
(like logos) in their signatures.


-Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[James Howard via Af]

Looks like attachments work.  It's the inline images that are a problem.  
Paul's looking at it (and B&W tv).

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray 
via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af 
<mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> wrote:

> I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It
> disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only
> way to send such an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without
> the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the
> list. Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
> Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other
> than Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in
> the last few days?
>
> bp
>
> On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> At least your email came through, minus the image.
>> When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has
>> just silently disappeared into the void.
>> I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images
>> (like logos) in their signatures.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>
>> Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...
>>
>> bp
>>
>> On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't want a job! I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
>>>> lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
>>>> stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
>>>> myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
>>>> goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
>>>> of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
>>>> was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on
>>>> both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
>>>> that I was trying to push.
>>>>
>>>> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>>
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
>>>> Broadband !
>>>>
>>>> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
>>>> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
>>>> beach :)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> James Howard via Af
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
>>>> To: 
>>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>>
>>>> There you go telling us what to do again!
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
>>>> To: 
>>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>>
>>>> IGNORE - unless you want a job
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Ken Hohhof via Af
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:a

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ryan Ray via Af]

On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

> I just tried sending another test email with an inline image.  It
> disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle.  Of course the only
> way to send such an email is to use HTML format.  But if I do that without
> the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the
> list.  Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
> Discard chrominance, forward luminance.  OK, how many people here other
> than Chuck have even seen a B&W TV?  Remember the movie Pleasantville?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> That would be Gino (off the top of my head).  Anyone heard from Gino in
> the last few days?
>
> bp
>
> On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> At least your email came through, minus the image.
>> When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has
>> just silently disappeared into the void.
>> I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images
>> (like logos) in their signatures.
>>
>> -Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af
>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>
>> Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...
>>
>> bp
>>
>> On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
>>>> lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
>>>> stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
>>>> myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
>>>> goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
>>>> of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
>>>> was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
>>>> both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
>>>> that I was trying to push.
>>>>
>>>> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>>
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
>>>> Broadband !
>>>>
>>>> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
>>>> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
>>>> beach :)
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> James Howard via Af
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>>
>>>> There you go telling us what to do again!
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>>
>>>> IGNORE - unless you want a job
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Ken Hohhof via Af
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com>>>> af@afmug.com%3e>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
>>>> caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
>>>> Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
>>>> connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
>>>> maybe could.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) vi

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[James Howard via Af]

B&W tv?

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

We are looking at that right now :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I also tried inserting an image inline. My message never came through either. 
I'm guessing it's not related to the email client but I'm using Outlook 2010.

Yes, I've watched B&W tv (and Pleasantville also). I don't remember ever not 
having a color tv when I was growing up but we did have a B&W also. I think we 
hooked our first pong (or whatever) video game to it.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It disappeared 
into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only way to send such 
an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without the inline image, it 
just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the list. Kind of like 
watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other than 
Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in the last 
few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> At least your email came through, minus the image.
> When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email
> has just silently disappeared into the void.
> I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have
> images (like logos) in their signatures.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
> To: 
> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...
>
> bp
>
> On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>> bp
>>
>> On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
>>> I don't want a job! I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
>>> lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
>>> stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
>>> myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
>>> goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
>>> of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
>>> was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on
>>> both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
>>> that I was trying to push.
>>>
>>> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
>>> To: 
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
>>> Broadband !
>>>
>>> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
>>> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
>>> beach :)
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
>>> James Howard via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
>>> To:
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afm
>>> ug.com%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> There you go telling us what to do again!
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

We are looking at that right now :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I also tried inserting an image inline.  My message never came through either.  
I'm guessing it's not related to the email client but I'm using Outlook 2010.

Yes, I've watched B&W tv (and Pleasantville also).  I don't remember ever not 
having a color tv when I was growing up but we did have a B&W also.  I think we 
hooked our first pong (or whatever) video game to it.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It disappeared 
into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only way to send such 
an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without the inline image, it 
just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the list. Kind of like 
watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other than 
Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in the last 
few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> At least your email came through, minus the image.
> When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email 
> has just silently disappeared into the void.
> I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have 
> images (like logos) in their signatures.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...
>
> bp
>
> On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>> bp
>>
>> On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
>>> I don't want a job! I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the 
>>> lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of 
>>> stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see 
>>> myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand 
>>> goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet 
>>> of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I 
>>> was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on 
>>> both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front 
>>> that I was trying to push.
>>>
>>> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida 
>>> Broadband !
>>>
>>> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most 
>>> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the 
>>> beach :)
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> James Howard via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
>>> To: 
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm
>>> ug.com%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> There you go telling us what to do again!
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
>>> To: 
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm
>>> ug.com%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> IGNORE - unless you want a job
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Ken Hohhof via Af
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
>>> To:
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Since Amazon SES is just doing the SMTP delivery part, I assume Paul has the 
actual list server running somewhere in the Amazon cloud and some of the 
behavior we are seeing may be due to how the list server is configured, not 
how SES works.  Hard to believe that SES would disallow smileys and images 
in signature lines.



-Original Message- 
From: James Howard via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I also tried inserting an image inline.  My message never came through 
either.  I'm guessing it's not related to the email client but I'm using 
Outlook 2010.


Yes, I've watched B&W tv (and Pleasantville also).  I don't remember ever 
not having a color tv when I was growing up but we did have a B&W also.  I 
think we hooked our first pong (or whatever) video game to it.


From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only
way to send such an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without
the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the
list. Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other than
Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has
just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images
(like logos) in their signatures.

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job! I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Ahhh, moving snow that talked.  3 channels (in theory, depending on weather, 
refraction etc).

Color actually made things worse for those of us in the very rural areas.

Department stores selling "color" TV antennas.
Motels with the "COLOR TV" signs outside.
You can still see a few of those once in a while.

Gathering at the neighbor's house to see the NBC peacock on their color TV.

I have a list of archaic sayings that I have collected over the years from 
my (now all grown) kids.  Whenever I would say something puzzling to them, I 
would add it to the list if it was determined to be an archaic saying.  Like 
saying "they were out sparking"; even "running like OJ Simpson" made it to 
the list.  One of my sayings that should probably be on the list is my idea 
of a good time: "room service and a color TV".


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image.  It
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle.  Of course the only
way to send such an email is to use HTML format.  But if I do that without
the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the
list.  Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance.  OK, how many people here other than
Chuck have even seen a B&W TV?  Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head).  Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has 
just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images 
(like logos) in their signatures.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than
I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking
through my logs, coming f

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Matt Jenkins via Af]

There is still a functional B&W TV in my parent's garage. Its one of the 
old wooden frame ones. It is being used as a stand to hold up one side 
of a workbench. I fired it up a few years ago to test the coax 
connection I installed before mounting the flat screen out there.


When I was a kid our TV died and we used that for a few months. I 
watched a lot of broadcast TV in black and white. For reference I was 
born in 1983, which is long after color TVs were commonplace.


I also know what a record player is, and the difference between a 78/33 
and a 45.



On 09/18/2014 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I just tried sending another test email with an inline image.  It 
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the 
only way to send such an email is to use HTML format.  But if I do 
that without the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text 
and sent out to the list.  Kind of like watching a color program on an 
old monochrome TV. Discard chrominance, forward luminance.  OK, how 
many people here other than Chuck have even seen a B&W TV?  Remember 
the movie Pleasantville?



-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head).  Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email 
has just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have 
images (like logos) in their signatures.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than
I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking
through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from
WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe
they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages?
That seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense
because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF),
messages are coming

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Bill Prince via Af]

The first time I saw color TV was on Halloween night sometime back in 
the 50s.  I remember being mesmerized as I walked up to a neighbor's 
house, and they were watching Bonanza in color.  You could see the TV 
through their front window.


bp

On 9/18/2014 11:07 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I just tried sending another test email with an inline image.  It 
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the 
only way to send such an email is to use HTML format.  But if I do 
that without the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text 
and sent out to the list.  Kind of like watching a color program on an 
old monochrome TV. Discard chrominance, forward luminance.  OK, how 
many people here other than Chuck have even seen a B&W TV?  Remember 
the movie Pleasantville?



-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head).  Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email 
has just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have 
images (like logos) in their signatures.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than
I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking
through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from
WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe
they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages?
That seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense
because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF),
messages are coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the
same lists) separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each
recipient per message. The only thing different with Amazon is they
seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates
RFC, so whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[James Howard via Af]

I also tried inserting an image inline.  My message never came through either.  
I'm guessing it's not related to the email client but I'm using Outlook 2010.

Yes, I've watched B&W tv (and Pleasantville also).  I don't remember ever not 
having a color tv when I was growing up but we did have a B&W also.  I think we 
hooked our first pong (or whatever) video game to it.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only
way to send such an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without
the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the
list. Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other than
Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> At least your email came through, minus the image.
> When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has
> just silently disappeared into the void.
> I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images
> (like logos) in their signatures.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...
>
> bp
>
> On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>> bp
>>
>> On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
>>> I don't want a job! I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
>>> lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
>>> stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
>>> myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
>>> goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
>>> of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
>>> was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on
>>> both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
>>> that I was trying to push.
>>>
>>> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
>>> Broadband !
>>>
>>> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
>>> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
>>> beach :)
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
>>> James Howard via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
>>> To: 
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> There you go telling us what to do again!
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
>>> To: 
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> IGNORE - unless you want a job
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Ken Hohhof via Af
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
>>> To:
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> I was thinking if the connecti

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image.  It 
disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle.  Of course the only 
way to send such an email is to use HTML format.  But if I do that without 
the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the 
list.  Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV. 
Discard chrominance, forward luminance.  OK, how many people here other than 
Chuck have even seen a B&W TV?  Remember the movie Pleasantville?



-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head).  Anyone heard from Gino in
the last few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has 
just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images 
(like logos) in their signatures.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than
I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking
through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from
WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe
they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages?
That seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense
because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF),
messages are coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the
same lists) separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each
recipient per message. The only thing different with Amazon is they
seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates
RFC, so whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment
gets connection rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the
Amazon SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for
obvious reasons.

I&

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Bill Prince via Af]

That would be Gino (off the top of my head).  Anyone heard from Gino in 
the last few days?


bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email 
has just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have 
images (like logos) in their signatures.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than
I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking
through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from
WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe
they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages?
That seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense
because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF),
messages are coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the
same lists) separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each
recipient per message. The only thing different with Amazon is they
seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates
RFC, so whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment
gets connection rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the
Amazon SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for
obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other
Amazon services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list.
It's Amazon. Maybe they're dropping the connection early without
sending a QUIT because they are configured for impatience? I don't 
know.


On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The
reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html


-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Bill Prince via Af]

If you're willing to run this WISP from Florida.  Looking to expand your 
footprint?


bp

On 9/18/2014 10:05 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:

Bill,

Since you responded, you want a job too?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the lottery ticket 
I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of stuck.  I think Florida is 
a nice place to visit but I can't see myself living there.  Besides, I don't 
know how far down your sand goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY 
more than 2 feet of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck 
when I was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on both 
sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front that I was 
trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug
.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching wouldn't 
work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it seems to 
say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a different 
software architecture maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug
.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're trying to 
hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a Postfix problem to me. 
But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon 
AF), messages are coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) 
separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only 
thing different with Amazon is they seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon SES 
hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe 
they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are 
configured for impatience? I don't know.

On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The
reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html


-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmu
g.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening
on Amazon's end that causing them to te

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

At least your email came through, minus the image.
When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has 
just silently disappeared into the void.
I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images 
(like logos) in their signatures.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...

bp

On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the
lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of
stuck.  I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see
myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand
goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet
of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I
was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on
both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front
that I was trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida
Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most
people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the
beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection
caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that
Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the
connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture
maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than
I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking
through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from
WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe
they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages?
That seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense
because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF),
messages are coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the
same lists) separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each
recipient per message. The only thing different with Amazon is they
seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates
RFC, so whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment
gets connection rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the
Amazon SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for
obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other
Amazon services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list.
It's Amazon. Maybe they're dropping the connection early without
sending a QUIT because they are configured for impatience? I don't know.

On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The
reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html


-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To:
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

In my case, it's not exactly g

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

Bill,

Since you responded, you want a job too?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
> I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the lottery 
> ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of stuck.  I think 
> Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see myself living there.  
> Besides, I don't know how far down your sand goes but there are lots of 
> winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet of snow!  The winter before last I 
> got the plow truck stuck when I was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was 
> over the windows on both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet 
> high in front that I was trying to push.
>
> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul McCall via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> James,
>
> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband !
>
> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most 
> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the 
> beach :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
> James Howard via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> There you go telling us what to do again!
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul McCall via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> IGNORE - unless you want a job
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ken Hohhof via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
> To: 
> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug
> .com%3e>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching 
> wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it 
> seems to say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a 
> different software architecture maybe could.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
> To: 
> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug
> .com%3e>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
> remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
> logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
> What MTA is WISPA running?
>
> The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're 
> trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a 
> Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) 
> instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each 
> recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message ID 
> and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different 
> with Amazon is they seem to "forget"
> to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
> whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
> rate limited for bad commands.
>
> I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
> command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon 
> SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons.
>
> I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
> services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe 
> they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are 
> configured for impatience? I don't know.
>
> On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>> George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The 
>> reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
>> http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html
>>
>>
>> -Original Me

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Bill Prince via Af]

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the lottery ticket 
I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of stuck.  I think Florida is 
a nice place to visit but I can't see myself living there.  Besides, I don't 
know how far down your sand goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY 
more than 2 feet of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck 
when I was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on both 
sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front that I was 
trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most people have 
two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching wouldn't 
work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it seems to 
say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a different 
software architecture maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're trying to 
hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a Postfix problem to me. 
But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon 
AF), messages are coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) 
separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only 
thing different with Amazon is they seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon SES 
hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe 
they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are 
configured for impatience? I don't know.

On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The
reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html


-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening
on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early
or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT
seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So
whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get
enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM,
almost everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks,
host rate limit ch

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

People are always telling us what to do.  Have a nice day!  Have a good one! 
Enjoy!  Y'all come back now!



-Original Message- 
From: James Howard via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching 
wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, 
it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA 
with a different software architecture maybe could.



-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
What MTA is WISPA running?


The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're 
trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a 
Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) 
instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each 
recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message 
ID and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different 
with Amazon is they seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
rate limited for bad commands.


I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon 
SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious 
reasons.


I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. 
Maybe they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because 
they are configured for impatience? I don't know.


On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The
reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html


-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening
on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early
or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT
seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So
whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get
enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM,
almost everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks,
host rate limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening
when AF was on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA 
lists.


I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and
Curtis understand what's happening from my POV.

On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Received here at 11:59:41.

Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.

Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting,
I would look at that as a possible cause.

Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to
queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking
exactly the same including source IP. Amazon may not use the same
source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs. Big systems that do
greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges
belong to the same organization, but you may not have that level of 
sophistication.


Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I
would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are
being delayed hours.

My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous
storm (it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's
not like I have a particularly speed

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[James Howard via Af]

I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the lottery ticket 
I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of stuck.  I think Florida is 
a nice place to visit but I can't see myself living there.  Besides, I don't 
know how far down your sand goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY 
more than 2 feet of snow!  The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck 
when I was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was over the windows on both 
sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front that I was 
trying to push.

You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband !

The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most people have 
two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching wouldn't 
work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it seems to 
say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a different 
software architecture maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're 
trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a 
Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) 
instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each 
recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message ID 
and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different with 
Amazon is they seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon SES 
hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe 
they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are 
configured for impatience? I don't know.

On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The
> reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
> http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html
>
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
> via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
> To: 
> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening
> on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early
> or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT
> seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So
> whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get
> enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM,
> almost everything happens at the initial SMTP c

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband !

 The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :)   And, when most people 
have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching wouldn't 
work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it seems to 
say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a different 
software architecture maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're 
trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a 
Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) 
instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each 
recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message ID 
and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different with 
Amazon is they seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon SES 
hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe 
they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are 
configured for impatience? I don't know.

On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The 
> reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
> http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html
>
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
> via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening 
> on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early 
> or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT 
> seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So 
> whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get 
> enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM, 
> almost everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks, 
> host rate limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening 
> when AF was on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA lists.
>
> I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and 
> Curtis understand what's happening from my POV.
>
> On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>> Received here at 11:59:41.
>>
>> Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.
>>
>> Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, 
>> I would look at that as a possible cause.
>>
>> Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to 
>> queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking 
>> exactly the same including source IP. Amazon may not use the same 
>> source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs. Big systems that do 
>> greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges 
>> belong to 

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[James Howard via Af]

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching wouldn't 
work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it seems to 
say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a different 
software architecture maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're 
trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a 
Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) 
instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each 
recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message ID 
and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different with 
Amazon is they seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon SES 
hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe 
they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are 
configured for impatience? I don't know.

On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The
> reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
> http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html
>
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
> via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening
> on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early
> or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT
> seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So
> whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get
> enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM,
> almost everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks,
> host rate limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening
> when AF was on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA lists.
>
> I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and
> Curtis understand what's happening from my POV.
>
> On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>> Received here at 11:59:41.
>>
>> Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.
>>
>> Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting,
>> I would look at that as a possible cause.
>>
>> Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to
>> queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking
>> exactly the same including source IP. Amazon may not use the same
>> source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs. Big systems that do
>> greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges
>> belong to the same organization, but you may not have that level of 
>> sophistication.
>>
>> Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I
>> would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are
>> being delayed hours.
>>
>> My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous
>> storm (it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's
>> no

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching 
wouldn't work anyway.  But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, 
it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA 
with a different software architecture maybe could.



-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I
can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking
through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from
WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe
they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That
seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because
in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are
coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists)
separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each recipient per
message. The only thing different with Amazon is they seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC,
so whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets
connection rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the
Amazon SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for
obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other
Amazon services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's
Amazon. Maybe they're dropping the connection early without sending a
QUIT because they are configured for impatience? I don't know.

On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS?  The reason 
I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.

http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html


-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening on
Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early or
something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT seems to
be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So whatever,
delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get enough
crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM, almost
everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks, host rate
limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening when AF was
on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA lists.

I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and
Curtis understand what's happening from my POV.

On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Received here at 11:59:41.

Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.

Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, I 
would look at that as a possible cause.


Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to queue 
the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking exactly the 
same including source IP.  Amazon may not use the same source IP, it may 
come from a pool of MTAs.  Big systems that do greylisting may 
incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges belong to the same 
organization, but you may not have that level of sophistication.


Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I 
would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are being 
delayed hours.


My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous storm 
(it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's not like 
I have a particularly speedy setup.



-Original Message- From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE



written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm
(Fyi)

 ----- Original Message -  From: Mathew Howard via Af
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I don't like fried pickles.
 
 From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af 
[af@afmug.com]

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

 It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not 
being able to stay on topic.


 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via 
Af

 Sent: Wednesday, 

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

Our mail host is ipower.  It's no big deal, just reporting what we're seeing.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Greene via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


  Gmail also re-queues email when initially rejected by grey-listing, a huge 
PITA for ISP's that utilize it.  Can delay email between 3 to 5 hours.

  Mike Greene
  Rock Island Technology Solutions
  360-378-5884 x201

  > -Original Message-
  > From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+mikeg=rockisland@afmug.com] On Behalf
  > Of Ken Hohhof via Af
  > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:20 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
  > 
  > Received here at 11:59:41.
  > 
  > Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.
  > 
  > Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, I 
would
  > look at that as a possible cause.
  > 
  > Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to queue the
  > message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking exactly the same
  > including source IP.  Amazon may not use the same source IP, it may come
  > from a pool of MTAs.  Big systems that do greylisting may incorporate a
  > mechanism to learn what IP ranges belong to the same organization, but you
  > may not have that level of sophistication.
  > 
  > Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I would 
get
  > every single email within a second or so, yet yours are being delayed hours.
  > 
  > My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous storm (it's
  > at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's not like I have a
  > particularly speedy setup.
  > 
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
  > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm
  > (Fyi)
  > 
  >   ----- Original Message -
  >   From: Mathew Howard via Af
  >   To: af@afmug.com
  >   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM
  >   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
  > 
  > 
  >   I don't like fried pickles.
  >   ________
  >   From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af
  > [af@afmug.com]
  >   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
  >   To: af@afmug.com
  >   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
  > 
  >   It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being
  > able to stay on topic.
  > 
  >   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via
  > Af
  >   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
  >   To: af@afmug.com
  >   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
  > 
  > 
  >   m. fried pickles.
  > 
  >   - Original Message -
  >   From: Jay Weekley via Af
  >   To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
  >   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
  >   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
  > 
  > 
  >   I like pickles. Does anyone else?
  > 
  >   Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
  >   >
  >   > Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying
  >   > whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test
  >   > thread into some other conversation.
  >   > (maybe this one is the hijack)
  >   >
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Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I 
can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking 
through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from 
WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running?


The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe 
they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That 
seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because 
in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are 
coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) 
separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each recipient per 
message. The only thing different with Amazon is they seem to "forget" 
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, 
so whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets 
connection rate limited for bad commands.


I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit: 
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the 
Amazon SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for 
obvious reasons.


I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other 
Amazon services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's 
Amazon. Maybe they're dropping the connection early without sending a 
QUIT because they are configured for impatience? I don't know.


On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS?  The 
reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.

http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html


-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening on
Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early or
something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT seems to
be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So whatever,
delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get enough
crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM, almost
everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks, host rate
limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening when AF was
on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA lists.

I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and
Curtis understand what's happening from my POV.

On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Received here at 11:59:41.

Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.

Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, 
I would look at that as a possible cause.


Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to 
queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking 
exactly the same including source IP.  Amazon may not use the same 
source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs.  Big systems that do 
greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges 
belong to the same organization, but you may not have that level of 
sophistication.


Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I 
would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are 
being delayed hours.


My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous 
storm (it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's 
not like I have a particularly speedy setup.



-Original Message- From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE



written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm
(Fyi)

 ----- Original Message -  From: Mathew Howard via Af
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I don't like fried pickles.
 
 From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af 
[af@afmug.com]

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

 It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not 
being able to stay on topic.


 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
via Af

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 m. fried pickles.

 - Original Message -
 From: Jay Weekley via Af
 To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I like pickles. Does anyone else?

 Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
 >
 > Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS?  The reason I 
ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.

http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html


-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening on
Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early or
something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT seems to
be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So whatever,
delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get enough
crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM, almost
everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks, host rate
limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening when AF was
on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA lists.

I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and
Curtis understand what's happening from my POV.

On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Received here at 11:59:41.

Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.

Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, I 
would look at that as a possible cause.


Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to queue 
the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking exactly the 
same including source IP.  Amazon may not use the same source IP, it may 
come from a pool of MTAs.  Big systems that do greylisting may incorporate 
a mechanism to learn what IP ranges belong to the same organization, but 
you may not have that level of sophistication.


Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I 
would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are being 
delayed hours.


My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous storm 
(it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's not like I 
have a particularly speedy setup.



-Original Message- From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE



written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm
(Fyi)

 - Original Message -  From: Mathew Howard via Af
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I don't like fried pickles.
 
 From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af 
[af@afmug.com]

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

 It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not 
being able to stay on topic.


 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via 
Af

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 m. fried pickles.

 - Original Message -
 From: Jay Weekley via Af
 To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I like pickles. Does anyone else?

 Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
 >
 > Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying
 > whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test
 > thread into some other conversation.
 > (maybe this one is the hijack)
 >
 >>
 >> Paul McCall, Pres.
 >> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
 >> 658 Old Dixie Highway
 >> Vero Beach, FL 32962
 >> 772-564-6800 office
 >> 772-473-0352 cell
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Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening on 
Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early or 
something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT seems to 
be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So whatever, 
delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get enough 
crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM, almost 
everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks, host rate 
limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening when AF was 
on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA lists.


I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and 
Curtis understand what's happening from my POV.


On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Received here at 11:59:41.

Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.

Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, 
I would look at that as a possible cause.


Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to 
queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking 
exactly the same including source IP.  Amazon may not use the same 
source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs.  Big systems that do 
greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges belong 
to the same organization, but you may not have that level of 
sophistication.


Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I 
would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are 
being delayed hours.


My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous storm 
(it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's not 
like I have a particularly speedy setup.



-Original Message- From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE



written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm
(Fyi)

 - Original Message -  From: Mathew Howard via Af
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I don't like fried pickles.
 
 From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af 
[af@afmug.com]

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

 It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not 
being able to stay on topic.


 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
via Af

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 m. fried pickles.

 - Original Message -
 From: Jay Weekley via Af
 To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I like pickles. Does anyone else?

 Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
 >
 > Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying
 > whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test
 > thread into some other conversation.
 > (maybe this one is the hijack)
 >
 >>
 >> Paul McCall, Pres.
 >> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
 >> 658 Old Dixie Highway
 >> Vero Beach, FL 32962
 >> 772-564-6800 office
 >> 772-473-0352 cell
 >> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/><http://www.pdmnet.com/%3e>
 >> 
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net%3e>

 >>
 >
 >
 >

 
 Total Control Panel

 Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net>


 To: 
ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net>


 From: 
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Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Mike Greene via Af]

Gmail also re-queues email when initially rejected by grey-listing, a huge PITA 
for ISP's that utilize it.  Can delay email between 3 to 5 hours.

Mike Greene
Rock Island Technology Solutions
360-378-5884 x201

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+mikeg=rockisland@afmug.com] On Behalf
> Of Ken Hohhof via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
> 
> Received here at 11:59:41.
> 
> Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.
> 
> Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, I would
> look at that as a possible cause.
> 
> Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to queue the
> message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking exactly the same
> including source IP.  Amazon may not use the same source IP, it may come
> from a pool of MTAs.  Big systems that do greylisting may incorporate a
> mechanism to learn what IP ranges belong to the same organization, but you
> may not have that level of sophistication.
> 
> Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I would 
> get
> every single email within a second or so, yet yours are being delayed hours.
> 
> My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous storm (it's
> at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's not like I have a
> particularly speedy setup.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
> 
> 
> 
> written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm
> (Fyi)
> 
>   ----- Original Message -
>   From: Mathew Howard via Af
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
> 
> 
>   I don't like fried pickles.
>   ____________
>   From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af
> [af@afmug.com]
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
> 
>   It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being
> able to stay on topic.
> 
>   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via
> Af
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
> 
> 
>   m. fried pickles.
> 
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Jay Weekley via Af
>   To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
> 
> 
>   I like pickles. Does anyone else?
> 
>   Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>   >
>   > Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying
>   > whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test
>   > thread into some other conversation.
>   > (maybe this one is the hijack)
>   >
>   >>
>   >> Paul McCall, Pres.
>   >> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>   >> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>   >> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>   >> 772-564-6800 office
>   >> 772-473-0352 cell
>   >>
> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/><http://www.pdmnet.com/
> %3e>
>   >>
> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:paulm@pdmnet.n
> et><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net%3e>
>   >>
>   >
>   >
>   >
> 
>   
>   Total Control Panel
> 
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> 
> 
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> 000...@amazonses.com<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
>   Medium (75): Pass
> 
> 
>   Low (90): Pass
> 
>   Block<https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2&bl-sender-
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> 

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Received here at 11:59:41.

Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.

Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, I 
would look at that as a possible cause.


Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to queue the 
message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking exactly the same 
including source IP.  Amazon may not use the same source IP, it may come 
from a pool of MTAs.  Big systems that do greylisting may incorporate a 
mechanism to learn what IP ranges belong to the same organization, but you 
may not have that level of sophistication.


Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I would 
get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are being delayed 
hours.


My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous storm (it's 
at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's not like I have a 
particularly speedy setup.



-Original Message- 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE



written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm
(Fyi)

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mathew Howard via Af

 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I don't like fried pickles.
 
 From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af 
[af@afmug.com]

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

 It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being 
able to stay on topic.


 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via 
Af

 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 m. fried pickles.

 - Original Message -
 From: Jay Weekley via Af
 To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


 I like pickles. Does anyone else?

 Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
 >
 > Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying
 > whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test
 > thread into some other conversation.
 > (maybe this one is the hijack)
 >
 >>
 >> Paul McCall, Pres.
 >> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
 >> 658 Old Dixie Highway
 >> Vero Beach, FL 32962
 >> 772-564-6800 office
 >> 772-473-0352 cell
 >> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/><http://www.pdmnet.com/%3e>
 >> 
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net%3e>

 >>
 >
 >
 >

 
 Total Control Panel

 Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net>


 To: 
ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net>


 From: 
0148842f45a9-e2dfdede-8f87-4a01-83b3-7d51bc808b65-000...@amazonses.com<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2603669244&domain=litewire.net>



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 My Spam Blocking Level: High

 Medium (75): Pass


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Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

confused - that was before it was written, per my software?
oh well, just sharing info :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


  My server received it at 10:16 AM Central. 


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  - Original Message -

  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller via Af"  
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12:54 PM 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE 



  written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm 
  (Fyi) 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednes

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Kade Sullivan via Af]

FYI I'm getting every email within the same minute it was sent, via Gmail.



On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12:54 PM 
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written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm 
(Fyi) 

- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Howard via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE 


I don't like fried pickles. 
 
From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af [af@afmug.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE 

It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being able 
to stay on topic. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Beh

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm
(Fyi)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


  I don't like fried pickles.
  
  From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

  It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being 
able to stay on topic.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


  m. fried pickles.

  - Original Message -
  From: Jay Weekley via Af
  To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


  I like pickles. Does anyone else?

  Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
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  >> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/><http://www.pdmnet.com/%3e>
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Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

You guys crack me up!

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I don't like fried pickles.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being able 
to stay on topic.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


m. fried pickles.

- Original Message -
From: Jay Weekley via Af
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


I like pickles. Does anyone else?

Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
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> Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying 
> whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test 
> thread into some other conversation.
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>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 772-564-6800 office
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/><http://www.pdmnet.com/%3e>
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Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I don't like fried pickles.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being able 
to stay on topic.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


m. fried pickles.

- Original Message -
From: Jay Weekley via Af
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


I like pickles. Does anyone else?

Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>
> Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying
> whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test
> thread into some other conversation.
> (maybe this one is the hijack)
>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 772-564-6800 office
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/><http://www.pdmnet.com/%3e>
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>>
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[James Howard via Af]

It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being able 
to stay on topic.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


m. fried pickles.

- Original Message -
From: Jay Weekley via Af
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


I like pickles. Does anyone else?

Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>
> Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying
> whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test
> thread into some other conversation.
> (maybe this one is the hijack)
>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 772-564-6800 office
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/><http://www.pdmnet.com/%3e>
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[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

m. fried pickles.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


  I like pickles. Does anyone else?

  Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
  >
  > Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying 
  > whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test 
  > thread into some other conversation.
  > (maybe this one is the hijack)
  >
  >>
  >> Paul McCall, Pres.
  >> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
  >> 658 Old Dixie Highway
  >> Vero Beach, FL 32962
  >> 772-564-6800 office
  >> 772-473-0352 cell
  >> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
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Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Bill Prince via Af]

Impossible to ignore; the Florida<->California intertube seems to be 
functioning.


bp

On 9/17/2014 7:27 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
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Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

the man does not lie... lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Adam Moffett via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE



  Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying 
  whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test 
  thread into some other conversation.
  (maybe this one is the hijack)

  >
  > Paul McCall, Pres.
  > PDMNet / Florida Broadband
  > 658 Old Dixie Highway
  > Vero Beach, FL 32962
  > 772-564-6800 office
  > 772-473-0352 cell
  > www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
  > pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
  >

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Jay Weekley via Af]

I like pickles. Does anyone else?

Adam Moffett via Af wrote:


Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying 
whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test 
thread into some other conversation.

(maybe this one is the hijack)



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Adam Moffett via Af]

Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying 
whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test 
thread into some other conversation.

(maybe this one is the hijack)



Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I think you just failed the test :-P

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ty Featherling via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Don't tell me what to do.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:

>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Ty Featherling via Af]

Don't tell me what to do.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:

>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>