Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread George Skorup 

Are you saying we need to riot? I'll pick up Steve on the way.

On 9/26/2016 10:31 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I was sitting here rattling my brain thinking "WTF is he talking 
about?" until I read his next comment.


I feel like I've been shot! Halp! ;)


On Sep 26, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


Well, that's what the news says.



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*From: *"Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com
<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 9:33:35 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

why?


On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Everyone's against policing these days.


;-)



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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't
need much of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape
(much better user experience), he'll need something like RED,
WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers.


On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com
<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:

wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate
limiting?  Buffers infer traffic shaping.


On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches
don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of
thing at scale, unless using those super high
throughput, very large buffer data center oriented
ASIC designs.


On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a
rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright
<ch...@velociter.net <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
wrote:

They’re terribly inefficient, for one.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth
over a gig

What is wrong with a simple queue?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos
Alcantar <car...@race.com
<mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote:

we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.
Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Josh Reynolds 
I was sitting here rattling my brain thinking "WTF is he talking about?"
until I read his next comment.

I feel like I've been shot! Halp! ;)

On Sep 26, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Well, that's what the news says.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 9:33:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>
> why?
>
> On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Everyone's against policing these days.
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
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> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>
> Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much
> of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user
> experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper
> buffers.
>
> On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>
> wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting?  Buffers
> infer traffic shaping.
>
> On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper
> buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high
> throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs.
>
> On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
>> Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate
>> limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They’re terribly inefficient, for one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is wrong with a simple queue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar <car...@race.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at
>>> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%2B1%20415%20376%203314> / car...@race.com /
>>> http://www.race.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>>>
>>> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for
>>> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
>>> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful
>>> QoS and OAM options.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com<mailto:tj@
>>> voltbb.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
>>> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>>>
>>> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
>>> probably won't work...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Play on words?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

 

why?

 

On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Everyone's against policing these days.


;-)



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From: "Josh Reynolds"  <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a 
buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), 
he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers.

 

On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com 
<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com> > wrote:

wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting?  Buffers infer 
traffic shaping.

 

On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper 
buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high 
throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs.

 

On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > 
wrote:

Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth 
limit?

 

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net 
<mailto:ch...@velociter.net> > wrote:



They’re terribly inefficient, for one.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

 

What is wrong with a simple queue?

 

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar <car...@race.com 
<mailto:car...@race.com> > wrote:

we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at more 
of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <tel:%2B1%20415%20376%203314>  / car...@race.com 
<mailto:car...@race.com>  / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of Jon 
Auer <j...@tapodi.net <mailto:j...@tapodi.net> >
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those 
that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS 
and OAM options.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com 
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> <mailto:t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> >> 
wrote:

What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold 
when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?

Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue 
probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Mike Hammett 
Well, that's what the news says. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:33:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig 


why? 


On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Everyone's against policing these days. 


;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig 


Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a 
buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), 
he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers. 


On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: 




wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer 
traffic shaping. 



On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 




I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper 
buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high 
throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. 



On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 




Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth 
limit? 


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: 





They’re terribly inefficient, for one. 

Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig 


What is wrong with a simple queue? 



On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar < car...@race.com > wrote: 
we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of 
a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. 


 
Carlos Alcantar 
Race Communications / Race Team Member 
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com 


 
From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig 

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those 
that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. 
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS 
and OAM options. 


On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 

What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold 
when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? 

Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue 
probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Keefe John 

why?


On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Everyone's against policing these days.


;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need 
much of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better 
user experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel 
and deeper buffers.



On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com 
<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:


wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? 
Buffers infer traffic shaping.



On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have
the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale,
unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer
data center oriented ASIC designs.


On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate
limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright
<ch...@velociter.net <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:

They’re terribly inefficient, for one.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
    *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

What is wrong with a simple queue?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar
<car...@race.com <mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote:

we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your
going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch
that can handle this of feature.


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <tel:%2B1%20415%20376%203314> /
car...@race.com <mailto:car...@race.com> /
http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jon Auer
    <j...@tapodi.net <mailto:j...@tapodi.net>>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with
10G ports and, for those that have subrate services,
using them for shaping/policing.
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so
it has many useful QoS and OAM options.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout
<t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com><mailto:t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>> wrote:

What is the best way to throttle a customer to a
specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over
1G of bandwidth?

Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling
that a simple queue probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Mike Hammett 
Everyone's against policing these days. 


;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig 


Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a 
buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), 
he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers. 


On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: 




wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer 
traffic shaping. 



On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 




I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper 
buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high 
throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. 



On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 




Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth 
limit? 


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: 





They’re terribly inefficient, for one. 

Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig 


What is wrong with a simple queue? 



On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar < car...@race.com > wrote: 
we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of 
a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. 


 
Carlos Alcantar 
Race Communications / Race Team Member 
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com 


 
From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig 

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those 
that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. 
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS 
and OAM options. 


On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 

What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold 
when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? 

Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue 
probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of
a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user
experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper
buffers.

On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:

wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting?  Buffers infer
traffic shaping.

On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper
buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high
throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs.

On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate
> limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
>> They’re terribly inefficient, for one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>>
>>
>>
>> What is wrong with a simple queue?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar <car...@race.com> wrote:
>>
>> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at
>> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.
>>
>>
>> ​
>> Carlos Alcantar
>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>>
>> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for
>> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
>> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful
>> QoS and OAM options.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com<mailto:tj@voltb
>> b.com>> wrote:
>>
>> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
>> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>>
>> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
>> probably won't work...
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Keefe John 
wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers 
infer traffic shaping.



On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the 
proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using 
those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented 
ASIC designs.



On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com 
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:


Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate
limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net
<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:

They’re terribly inefficient, for one.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

What is wrong with a simple queue?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar
<car...@race.com <mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote:

we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be
looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this
of feature.


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <tel:%2B1%20415%20376%203314> /
car...@race.com <mailto:car...@race.com> / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
on behalf of Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net <mailto:j...@tapodi.net>>
        Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports
and, for those that have subrate services, using them for
shaping/policing.
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has
many useful QoS and OAM options.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com><mailto:t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>> wrote:

What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific
bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?

Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a
simple queue probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Adam Moffett 

QoS?
Policies?
Lots of possible.

-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/26/2016 4:43:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

Humm, I have a IBM/Blade networks G8124 but I'm not finding anything in 
the documentation, Any idea what this would commonly be called?


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:
I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the 
proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using 
those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented 
ASIC designs.



On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate 
limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> 
wrote:

They’re terribly inefficient, for one.



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig



What is wrong with a simple queue?



On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar <car...@race.com> 
wrote:


we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be 
looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of 
feature.



​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Auer 
<j...@tapodi.net>

Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, 
for those that have subrate services, using them for 
shaping/policing.
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many 
useful QoS and OAM options.


On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:


What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth 
threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?


Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple 
queue probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread TJ Trout 
Humm, I have a IBM/Blade networks G8124 but I'm not finding anything in the
documentation, Any idea what this would commonly be called?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper
> buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high
> throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs.
>
> On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
>> Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate
>> limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They’re terribly inefficient, for one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is wrong with a simple queue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar <car...@race.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at
>>> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>>>
>>> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for
>>> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
>>> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful
>>> QoS and OAM options.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com<mailto:tj@voltb
>>> b.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
>>> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>>>
>>> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
>>> probably won't work...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Josh Reynolds 
I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper
buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high
throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs.

On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate
> limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
>> They’re terribly inefficient, for one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>>
>>
>>
>> What is wrong with a simple queue?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar <car...@race.com> wrote:
>>
>> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at
>> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.
>>
>>
>> ​
>> Carlos Alcantar
>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>>
>> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for
>> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
>> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful
>> QoS and OAM options.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com<mailto:tj@voltb
>> b.com>> wrote:
>>
>> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
>> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>>
>> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
>> probably won't work...
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread TJ Trout 
Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate
limiting/queue/bandwidth limit?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

> They’re terribly inefficient, for one.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>
>
>
> What is wrong with a simple queue?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar <car...@race.com> wrote:
>
> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at
> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.
>
>
> ​
> Carlos Alcantar
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com
>
>
> 
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>
> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for
> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful
> QoS and OAM options.
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com<mailto:tj@
> voltbb.com>> wrote:
>
> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>
> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
> probably won't work...
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Chris Wright 
They’re terribly inefficient, for one.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

What is wrong with a simple queue?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar 
<car...@race.com<mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote:
we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at more 
of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314<tel:%2B1%20415%20376%203314> / 
car...@race.com<mailto:car...@race.com> / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jon 
Auer <j...@tapodi.net<mailto:j...@tapodi.net>>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those 
that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS 
and OAM options.
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com><mailto:t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>>
 wrote:

What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold 
when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?

Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue 
probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Cameron Crum 
What is wrong with a simple queue?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar <car...@race.com> wrote:

> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at
> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.
>
>
> ​
> Carlos Alcantar
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com
>
>
> 
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
>
> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for
> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful
> QoS and OAM options.
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com<mailto:tj@
> voltbb.com>> wrote:
>
> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>
> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
> probably won't work...
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-26 Thread Carlos Alcantar 
we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well.  Your going to be looking at more 
of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature.


​
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those 
that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS 
and OAM options.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold 
when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?

Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue 
probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-24 Thread Jon Auer 
I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for
those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful
QoS and OAM options.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>
> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
> probably won't work...
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-24 Thread Paul Stewart 
Policing or shaping ... switch or router ... depends on whether you want to be 
harsh or somewhat forgiving on capping the bandwidth ... routers do it better 
typically but really depends on your gear and where you want to apply it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Shut down his LAN port That works Lol.Can't you limit with Vlan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2016 12:10 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth 
>> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>> 
>> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue 
>> probably won't work...

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

2016-09-24 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Shut down his LAN port That works Lol.Can't you limit with Vlan

On Sep 24, 2016 12:10 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>
> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
> probably won't work...
>