Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
[image: image.png] You raise a CFJ on if you're a PLAYER or not. An Agoran called TOP HAT MAN soon arrives, and ASSIGNS the CFJ to emself. Meanwhile, you see a lot of other Agorans in the distance notice your CfJ and start to DEBATE about OBSCURE RULES. There's even an Agoran that seems to pop out of that pit from before. "Oh hey there new guy. Uh, yeah, it seems that it's not going to be so clear-cut..." TOP HAT MAN tells you. "Although we could short-cut in a way if you just register 'again', I suppose." You have a new CFJ! It is "Am I a PLAYER?" It is still PENDING. "Also, it's dangerous to go out alone, so take this." he then tells you. He gives you a WELCOMING PACKAGE. It has 10 MONEYS and 1 GEM. Nice. - 'Register' again to clear doubts about if you are registered at all or not (although the exact time of registration is still ambiguous). - Steal the TOP HAT from TOP HAT MAN - Go DEBATE with the other Agorans - (Write-in) On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:13 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 10/14/2020 2:16 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > > I pledge the following: I'll run AGORA QUEST according to the stuff > > described below. > > > > Hey, welcome to AGORA QUEST. This is an interactive story - you pay me 10 > > coins along what you want the protagonist to do, and I'll count it as a > > vote (voting, woo! nomic!!) and then when I have time to continue this, > > I'll tally the votes and progress the story based on that. I'll tiebreak > if > > there are any ties. Also, you only get to vote once between updates. > > > > For your vote, you can choose one of the options I give you in the vein > of > > those Choose-Your-Adventure books, or you can just make up your own. > > > > [image: image.png] > > > > You're a new PLAYER in AGORA! A fresh, sparkling feeling of EXCITEMENT > > fills you and in your naivety, you are yet not OVERWHELMED by the > RULESET. > > > > So, what do you do? > > > > - Go look at what that bottomless pit marked "CFJ ARCHIVES" is all about. > > - Check out "OFF:", whatever that is. > > - Look for other Agorans and what they're doing. > > - (Write-in) > > > > I pay 10 coins to Cuddlebeam for "Call a CFJ on whether I'm a player." > > -G. > >
(@notary) Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
On 10/15/2020 12:45 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> >> Hey, welcome to AGORA QUEST. This is an interactive story [...] >> This is great, I'd like to offer patronage to this but don't want to be doing all the voting. I create 10 of the following Promise, titled "ROLL INITIATIVE", and transfer them to the Library: ROLL INITIATIVE text: I (G.) transfer 10 coins to Cuddlebeam for the purpose of voting for the AGORA QUEST option specified in this message by the bearer, provided the bearer has not already cashed a ROLL INITIATIVE promise since Cuddlebeam's last update, and provided the bearer is not Cuddlebeam. [If this become at all popular, I suggest that just saying "I roll initiative and (option)" might work as terminology] -G.
Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
On 10/15/20 2:45 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > "Also, it's dangerous to go out alone, so take this." he then tells you. He > gives you a WELCOMING PACKAGE. It has 10 MONEYS and 1 GEM. Nice. > > - 'Register' again to clear doubts about if you are registered at all or > not (although the exact time of registration is still ambiguous). > - Steal the TOP HAT from TOP HAT MAN > - Go DEBATE with the other Agorans > - (Write-in) I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the library to myself, and cash it, specifying "~~carefully read~~ skim the rules for a sweet scam". -- nix Webmastor
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
[image: image.png] You decide to go to the RULESET to look for a SWEET SCAM. You find the RULESET to be a massive, sky-scraping monolith in the middle of Agora, with inscriptions etched into its ancient stone. Carefully, you look in between the nooks and grooves of these inscriptions, and you find... [image: image.png] The KILLBLADE! It's made out of black, semi-translucent glass.This SCAM is a powerful weapon, but it seems fragile, almost like if it's SINGLE-USE. It's also not shaped like a conventional weapon either, alluding to that its DIFFICULT TO USE. [image: image.png] Huh? What's this? During your searching, you manage to find a huge, godly entity, strapped by... what seem to be manacles made out of this same black glass as your blade, to the back of the RULESET, in the shadows. It looks at you, but it doesn't say anything. - Warn the other Agorans about this. - Try to search for more useful things in the RULESET - Visit the nearby fountain - (Write-in) On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 7:44 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 10/15/20 12:41 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I'm confused at what you're doing here lol. > > G. made some promises where e pays for other people's votes. I'm casting > a vote and G. is paying you. > > -- > nix > Webmastor > > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
On 10/15/20 2:12 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > [image: image.png] > > > You decide to go to the RULESET to look for a SWEET SCAM. You find the > RULESET to be a massive, sky-scraping monolith in the middle of Agora, with > inscriptions etched into its ancient stone. Carefully, you look in between > the nooks and grooves of these inscriptions, and you find... > > [image: image.png] > The KILLBLADE! It's made out of black, semi-translucent glass.This SCAM is > a powerful weapon, but it seems fragile, almost like if it's SINGLE-USE. > It's also not shaped like a conventional weapon either, alluding to that > its DIFFICULT TO USE. > > [image: image.png] > > Huh? What's this? During your searching, you manage to find a huge, godly > entity, strapped by... what seem to be manacles made out of this same black > glass as your blade, to the back of the RULESET, in the shadows. It looks > at you, but it doesn't say anything. > > - Warn the other Agorans about this. > - Try to search for more useful things in the RULESET > - Visit the nearby fountain > - (Write-in) I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash it, specifying the write-in vote "Ask the entity what Rule it is defined by." -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
On 10/15/20 2:12 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > [image: image.png] > > > You decide to go to the RULESET to look for a SWEET SCAM. You find the > RULESET to be a massive, sky-scraping monolith in the middle of Agora, with > inscriptions etched into its ancient stone. Carefully, you look in between > the nooks and grooves of these inscriptions, and you find... > > [image: image.png] > The KILLBLADE! It's made out of black, semi-translucent glass.This SCAM is > a powerful weapon, but it seems fragile, almost like if it's SINGLE-USE. > It's also not shaped like a conventional weapon either, alluding to that > its DIFFICULT TO USE. > > [image: image.png] > > Huh? What's this? During your searching, you manage to find a huge, godly > entity, strapped by... what seem to be manacles made out of this same black > glass as your blade, to the back of the RULESET, in the shadows. It looks > at you, but it doesn't say anything. > > - Warn the other Agorans about this. > - Try to search for more useful things in the RULESET > - Visit the nearby fountain > - (Write-in) I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash it, specifying the write-in vote "Ask the entity what Rule it is defined me." -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
On 10/15/20 2:18 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 10/15/20 2:12 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> [image: image.png] >> >> >> You decide to go to the RULESET to look for a SWEET SCAM. You find the >> RULESET to be a massive, sky-scraping monolith in the middle of Agora, with >> inscriptions etched into its ancient stone. Carefully, you look in between >> the nooks and grooves of these inscriptions, and you find... >> >> [image: image.png] >> The KILLBLADE! It's made out of black, semi-translucent glass.This SCAM is >> a powerful weapon, but it seems fragile, almost like if it's SINGLE-USE. >> It's also not shaped like a conventional weapon either, alluding to that >> its DIFFICULT TO USE. >> >> [image: image.png] >> >> Huh? What's this? During your searching, you manage to find a huge, godly >> entity, strapped by... what seem to be manacles made out of this same black >> glass as your blade, to the back of the RULESET, in the shadows. It looks >> at you, but it doesn't say anything. >> >> - Warn the other Agorans about this. >> - Try to search for more useful things in the RULESET >> - Visit the nearby fountain >> - (Write-in) > > I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash > it, specifying the write-in vote "Ask the entity what Rule it is defined > me." > Sorry, I tried to stop this from sending. I change my vote to the same, but replacing the word "me" with the word "by". -- Jason Cobb
BUS: Re: CFJ 3884 Judged FALSE [attn. Arbitor, Treasuror]
On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 1:00 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > > Judge's Arguments in CFJ 3884 I self-file a motion to reconsider. I pay the Arbitor 5 coins (for the trouble). I've changed the judgement to remove the word "group", because it's redundant with "open". Judge's Arguments in CFJ 3884 A forum is, in the Agoran context, an open medium for communication. The mailing lists are fora, and we use them to communicate; the IRC channel is similar. I have little basis for using this definition, other than that it is intuitively fitting, and the definition that comes naturally to me. I will, however, point out, that it is a nearly equivalent standard to "place for discussion" (wiktionary) or "a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged" (Oxford Languages, via Google). The one significant addition I've made from those definitions is to add the requirement that a forum must be open. While this is not an intrinsic part of the definition of the word forum in every context, I believe it is suitable in this one. The idea of a forum as a public place for discussion (in the non-technical sense) harkens back to the forum of Ancient Rome, and Agoran fora inherit from that tradition. What does it mean to be a medium for communication? Several standards spring to mind. It could mean that the medium is used for communication. However, this doesn't quite fit -- a newly created mailing list is intuitively a forum, even before the first message is sent via it. However, the fact that something is usable for communication in some way seems too low a standard. A spoon can be used to communicate by tapping it, yet it is obviously not a forum. Thus, I arrive at the following standard. For something to be a forum, people must be actually and reasonably able to join it and communicate via it. Directing messaging is not a forum, because at most two persons can participate in it (assuming one person per account). Accordingly, it is not open. A spoon is not a forum for several reasons. It would be extremely difficult for multiple people to use a spoon to communicate with each other. In addition, no one would have any clue how to use the spoon to communicate, and it is impossible for people to be able to communicate via something in the absence of a protocol. I expect this standard to be refined by future precedent. One thing I want to say now, for the avoidance of doubt, is that something does not cease to be a forum because it is temporarily inaccessible. I think this is consistent with the classical idea of a forum as a public marketplace, which might still be closed in time of emergency or for temporary maintenance. How does the Laser Ranging experiment measure up? No one has agreed on a protocol for communicating via it (would we use Morse code?). I'm not sure if a sufficient number of people have access to the equipment, but even if they did, it would likely be owned by a research organization or government, so they would probably not be in a position to use it for communicating. In short, there is no way the lunar laser ranging experiment is an open medium for communication. FALSE.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
[image: image.png] "Rule 101." it booms, with an infinite, cosmic voice. "I am the holder of MONEYS, KARMA and the one to be SATISFIED with INTENTS or not." "I" "am" "AGORA." [image: image.png] "...Does that answer your question?" it then asks, returning to looking divine, but a lot less intimidatingly so. "I'm the avatar of Agora that holds in-game assets and the sort." - Stab your newfound KILLBLADE into them - Inform the other Agorans about this - Attempt to SEDUCE AGORA with very SENSUAL MOVEMENTS - (Write-in) Also, from now on, I'll roll a 1d100 to see how well you do an action, if it requires it (like fighting or doing something challenging). Rolling high is good, rolling low is bad. More tabletop RPG-like On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:19 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 10/15/20 2:18 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > On 10/15/20 2:12 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > >> [image: image.png] > >> > >> > >> You decide to go to the RULESET to look for a SWEET SCAM. You find the > >> RULESET to be a massive, sky-scraping monolith in the middle of Agora, > with > >> inscriptions etched into its ancient stone. Carefully, you look in > between > >> the nooks and grooves of these inscriptions, and you find... > >> > >> [image: image.png] > >> The KILLBLADE! It's made out of black, semi-translucent glass.This SCAM > is > >> a powerful weapon, but it seems fragile, almost like if it's SINGLE-USE. > >> It's also not shaped like a conventional weapon either, alluding to that > >> its DIFFICULT TO USE. > >> > >> [image: image.png] > >> > >> Huh? What's this? During your searching, you manage to find a huge, > godly > >> entity, strapped by... what seem to be manacles made out of this same > black > >> glass as your blade, to the back of the RULESET, in the shadows. It > looks > >> at you, but it doesn't say anything. > >> > >> - Warn the other Agorans about this. > >> - Try to search for more useful things in the RULESET > >> - Visit the nearby fountain > >> - (Write-in) > > > > I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash > > it, specifying the write-in vote "Ask the entity what Rule it is defined > > me." > > > > Sorry, I tried to stop this from sending. I change my vote to the same, > but replacing the word "me" with the word "by". > > -- > Jason Cobb > >
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting begins for Coopor
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 11:32:46AM -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 10:18 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 10/11/20 5:30 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: > > > I hereby initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor > > > election. > > > > > >* The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me). > > > > > >* The valid options are the candidates (G., Gaelan, and anyone else > > > who becomes one before voting ends). > > > > > >* The voting method is instant runoff. > > > > > >* I believe quorum is 5 (based on 8 voters in the PM election). > > > > > > I vote for [nix, G., Gaelan]. Sorry, Gaelan, I just want to let the > > creator have a chance to run it if e wants to. > > > I vote [G., nix, Gaelan]. On behalf of Telnaior, Telnaior votes to endorse > me. > > -Aris Did nix become a candidate after Murphy's announcement? I vote [G., Gaelan, nix]. -- Falsifian
BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 480
On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 04:49:46PM -0600, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: > > FORBES FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY > or >TREASUROR'S WEEKLY REPORT > > > Date of last week's first report: 20 September 2020 > Date of this week's first report: 11 October 2020 CoE on the above-quoted report: It is still missing Gaelan's transfer of two Legislative Cards to DragonQE and four Pendants from DragonQE on August 29 (https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-August/044722.html) It appears in the history, but not in the actual balances for DragonQE. > |DragonQE[3] | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 2| 2| 5| 1| ... > |Gaelan|+ 4pd|29 Aug 2020 02:17|Transfer DragonQE| > |DragonQE |- 4pd|29 Aug 2020 02:17|Transfer Gaelan | > |DragonQE |+ 2lc|29 Aug 2020 02:17|Transfer Gaelan | > |Gaelan|- 2lc|29 Aug 2020 02:17|Transfer DragonQE| -- Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
On 10/15/2020 3:02 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: [image: image.png] "Rule 101." it booms, with an infinite, cosmic voice. "I am the holder of MONEYS, KARMA and the one to be SATISFIED with INTENTS or not." "I" "am" "AGORA." [image: image.png] "...Does that answer your question?" it then asks, returning to looking divine, but a lot less intimidatingly so. "I'm the avatar of Agora that holds in-game assets and the sort." - Stab your newfound KILLBLADE into them - Inform the other Agorans about this - Attempt to SEDUCE AGORA with very SENSUAL MOVEMENTS - (Write-in) Also, from now on, I'll roll a 1d100 to see how well you do an action, if it requires it (like fighting or doing something challenging). Rolling high is good, rolling low is bad. More tabletop RPG-like On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:19 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 10/15/20 2:18 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 10/15/20 2:12 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: [image: image.png] You decide to go to the RULESET to look for a SWEET SCAM. You find the RULESET to be a massive, sky-scraping monolith in the middle of Agora, with inscriptions etched into its ancient stone. Carefully, you look in between the nooks and grooves of these inscriptions, and you find... [image: image.png] The KILLBLADE! It's made out of black, semi-translucent glass.This SCAM is a powerful weapon, but it seems fragile, almost like if it's SINGLE-USE. It's also not shaped like a conventional weapon either, alluding to that its DIFFICULT TO USE. [image: image.png] Huh? What's this? During your searching, you manage to find a huge, godly entity, strapped by... what seem to be manacles made out of this same black glass as your blade, to the back of the RULESET, in the shadows. It looks at you, but it doesn't say anything. - Warn the other Agorans about this. - Try to search for more useful things in the RULESET - Visit the nearby fountain - (Write-in) I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash it, specifying the write-in vote "Ask the entity what Rule it is defined me." Sorry, I tried to stop this from sending. I change my vote to the same, but replacing the word "me" with the word "by". -- Jason Cobb I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash it, specifying the text "Attempt to SEDUCE AGORA with very SENSUAL MOVEMENTS." because why the heck not -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 480
On 10/15/20 1:57 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 04:49:46PM -0600, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: FORBES FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY or TREASUROR'S WEEKLY REPORT |Gaelan|+ 4pd|29 Aug 2020 02:17|Transfer DragonQE| |DragonQE |- 4pd|29 Aug 2020 02:17|Transfer Gaelan | |DragonQE |+ 2lc|29 Aug 2020 02:17|Transfer Gaelan | |Gaelan|- 2lc|29 Aug 2020 02:17|Transfer DragonQE| Okay, this has now been actually updated in my local copy. Apologies for messing this up a bunch. -- Trigon I’m always happy to become a party to contracts. I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
On 10/15/2020 1:58 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > On 10/15/2020 3:02 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> > > I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash > it, specifying the text "Attempt to SEDUCE AGORA with very SENSUAL > MOVEMENTS." because why the heck not > lol every rpg gets around to this eventually. I pay 10 coins to Cuddlebeam, to vote for the above option with the slight amendment "I think what's SENSUAL to rule 101 is a sexily airtight argument".
BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3885 Assigned to G.
I file an motion to extend CFJ 3885's deadline (specifically including the draft below - I don't think my judgement will change much but there's at least one substantive comment I won't get to before the deadline tomorrow). -G. On 10/10/2020 2:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 10/9/2020 10:47 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> The below CFJ is 3885. I assign it to G.. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3885 >> >> === CFJ 3885 === >> >> On or about 10:35:46 UTC on 4 Oct 2020, PSS published a >> self-ratifying report on the value of the instances of the Karma >> switch. >> >> == >> >> Caller:Jason >> >> Judge: G. >> >> == >> >> History: >> >> Called by Jason: 04 Oct 2020 22:10:43 >> Assigned to G.: [now] >> >> == >> >> Caller's Evidence: >> >> Possible "report": >> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2020-October/014273.html >> >> Rule 2162/12 [Excerpt]: >> >> A type of switch is a property that the rules define as a switch, >> and specify the following: >> 1. The type(s) of entity possessing an instance of that switch. >> No >> other entity possesses an instance of that switch. >> 2. One or more possible values for instances of that switch, >> exactly one of which should be designated as the default. No >> values other than those listed are possible for instances of >> that switch, except that, if no default is specified, then >> rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the "null" value is a >> possible value for that switch, and is the default. >> 3. Optionally, exactly one office whose holder tracks instances >> of >> that switch. That officer's (weekly, if not specified >> otherwise) report includes the value of each instance of that >> switch whose value is not its default value; a public document >> purporting to be this portion of that officer's report is >> self-ratifying, and implies that other instances are at their >> default value. >> >> Rule 2379/0 (Power=1) >> No News Is Some News >> >> If the rules define a report as including a list, then while that >> list is empty, that report includes the fact that it is empty. >> >> >> Caller's Arguments: >> >> For a switch report to be self-ratifying, it must "purport" to be the >> switch portion of the officer's report. While the document itself does >> not contain any text suggesting it is a report, the subject line does, >> which may be enough to make the document purport to be a report. >> >> The content may or may not qualify as being a report. The empty document >> omits all instances of the switch and all values, which, if it was a >> report, would imply that all values of the Karma switch have a default >> value. However, this may contradict Rule 2379, since Rule 2162 could be >> read as requiring a list of non-default values, even though it never >> explicitly requires a "list". That would imply that no empty document >> could ever purport to be a switch report, since it would either need to >> include a list of non-default values or the fact that such a list is >> empty. >> >> == > > Draft Judgement: > > A "message" isn't explicitly defined by the rules, the closest thing is > here in R478/38: > >> A public message is a message sent via a public forum > > So the actual definition of "message" uses its common definition. > > This leaves the question open: when using email to send a message, are the > message's headers are part of the message, or are they metadata (i.e. an > envelope) containing the message, but not part of the message itself? > Time to bring out R217. > > Common definition: Person A sends me a physical letter. Person B asks me > "what was Person A's message?" I would respond with the contents of the > message. The postmark, stamp, and other details of the envelope would be > pretty much irrelevant to answering (though may provide context or > identifying information if I ask "which message?", so they are still part > of the metadata for the message) So common definitions would say the > message is the contents (body of the email) not its headers. > > Past Judgements/custom: CFJ [I-haven't-found-it-yet] found that a message > sent to two fora simultaneously (i.e. with two fora in the To: or Cc: > headers) is a single message. But those messages will have different > headers by the time they are delivered, so calling th
