Re: DIS: [Proto] Budgets
On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:40 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > In the fourth Eastman week of each Agoran Month, the Treasuror CAN once, > by announcement, Appropriate Lost Property, transferring a specified number > of coins no greater than the Lost and Found Department's balance and the > beginning of the month from the Lost and Found Department to Agora. "at the beginning of the month", of course. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more typos, possibly many of them. -Aris
DIS: [Proto] Budgets
Here's a proto I tossed together in an evening for a budget system. This could, in theory, be adopted now and wouldn't particularly do very much apart from allowing for funding of special projects (though it would allow for a somewhat absurd amount of funding; I imagine most of it would go to rebates). This makes more sense if we're going to require all officers to make the payments for the things they need (e.g. rewards, paydays) out of incoming funds, creating a potential need for taxes. This goes well with economically focused gameplay. It's perfectly compatible with sets stuff since coins are still going to be somewhat important as the precursor for specialized currencies. Presumably, we'd want to allow for some coins to enter the market *somewhere*, to allow for healthy inflation. I won't be too offended if this isn't well-received. I think it's interesting to consider though, at least as an option. -Aris --- Title: Budgets Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Aris Co-author(s): Let N equal the lesser of 510 coins and the Lost and Found Department's coin balance. Transfer N coin from the Lost and Found Department to Agora. Enact a new rule, entitled "Budget Regulations", with the following text: The General Fund and the Rebate Fund are entities that can own coins. Each officer CAN promulgate Budget Regulations. The Prime Minister's Budget Regulations can set the Agoran budget (the amount of the General Fund that is available to be appropriated, defaulting to half it, rounded down). The official budgets of the Prime Minister and Treasuror are each equal to half of the Agoran budget (rounded down and up, respectively). Any officer's Budget Regulations can delegate any portion of their own budget to another officer, appropriating that portion of their official budget and adding it to the other officer's official budget. An officers's budget after calculating delegations is their final budget. Any officer's Budget Regulations can allow for transferring some amount coins from the General Fund, appropriating that amount of eir budget. No officer's Budget Regulations can appropriate a greater amount than eir official budget; appropriations in regulations adopted earlier take precedence over those in later ones, and the earliest appropriations within each regulation likewise have precedence. Enact a new rule, entitled "Budget Cycle", with the following text: At the beginning of each Agoran month, the Treasuror CAN and SHALL: A. Once, by announcement, Rotate the Funds, causing all of the General Fund's coins to be transferred to the Rebate Fund, and then causing all of Agora's coins to be transferred to the General Fund; and B. Report a Tabulation of the Budget, an enumeration of Agoran budget and the final budget of each office, as well as all fixed appropriations. The Prime Minister's Budget Regulations may set the tax rate, R, a rational percentage value defaulting to 0%. The Registrar's Budget Regulations may set the personal withholding, W, an integer defaulting to twice the number of coins in a welcome package. The Notary's Budget regulations may provide for certain contracts to be deemed Tax-Exempt. A person's taxable balance is floor(B - W), where B is eir coin balance. A contract's taxable balance is equal to its coin balance, unless it is Tax-Exempt, in which case its taxable balance is 0. All other entities have a taxable balance of 0. Each entity owes taxes equal to ceil(T * R), where T is that entity's taxable balance. At the beginning of the second Eastman week of each Agoran month, the Treasuror CAN and SHALL: 1. once, by announcement Collect Taxes, causing each entity to transfer the amount it owes in taxes to Agora; and 2. report a Notice of Collection, a self ratifying list of the amount paid by each entity. At the beginning of the third Eastman week of each Agoran Month, the Treasuror CAN and SHALL once Award a Rebate, transferring as much of the Rebate Fund as possible to the active players in equal quantities by announcement, and transferring the remainder to one or more randomly chosen active players by announcement. In the fourth Eastman week of each Agoran Month, the Treasuror CAN once, by announcement, Appropriate Lost Property, transferring a specified number of coins no greater than the Lost and Found Department's balance and the beginning of the month from the Lost and Found Department to Agora.
DIS: Re: BUS: Moot Attempt
only one more is needed On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:00 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 5/17/2020 7:50 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 5/17/20 1:19 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 9:49 PM Rebecca via agora-business > >> wrote: > >>> I intend with 4 support to enter CFJ 3831 into moot > >>> Link: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3831 > >> I support. We don't do this often enough. > >> > >> -Aris > > > > > > I support. > > > > I support. > > -G. > > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report
On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 6:53 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 5/17/2020 3:28 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > > > Karma Entity > > - -- > > > > +7 Jason > > Don't think this needs a CoE but you've lost the Shogun marker. > Thanks for catching that; I've re-added it for the next report.
DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report
On 5/17/2020 3:28 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > Karma Entity > - -- > > +7 Jason Don't think this needs a CoE but you've lost the Shogun marker.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Prior violations
On 5/17/20 1:30 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Since this just came up, does this address the fencepost issue; i.e., what > if the Assessor does something illegal as part of the act that changes the > rule so it's no longer illegal? (pledges are a better example I think, > the rule change situation is very unlikely - but my reading of the above > is that it would cover pledges). Yeah, I noticed this while trying to figure out if the pledge thing was actually a bug, but I chose the Assessor example because I thought it would be more clearly broken. I'm unsure about it addressing pledges. It would address it if there's an instant where the violation occurs before the pledge ceases to exist, but I'm not sure if that's the case. If this is adopted, the easiest way to fix the pledges thing might be to have the pledge cease to exist the instant after its time window expires, so that there's unambiguously an instant with a rules violation. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Pledge Bug
On 5/16/2020 8:59 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > Breaking a pledge is a crime. A pledge has a time window when after that > the pledge stops existing. > > But a pledge exists that says "I will cause cuddlebeam to win agora within > 90 days." That pledge is unenforceable because it ceases to exist when its > time window expires, but before then it's not possible to say that the > pledge has been broken! Any suggestions for fixing this rules loophole? > Not sure if we have a firm precedent on the fencepost issue (anybody know of one)? If a pledge is simultaneously broken and ceases to exist at the end of the time window, it's not clear to me which happens "first", or if it's simultaneous, whether the breakage may still "happen"? -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: Moot Attempt
On 5/16/2020 11:13 PM, Rebecca wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:20 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 9:49 PM Rebecca wrote: >>> >>> I intend with 4 support to enter CFJ 3831 into moot >>> Link: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3831 >> >> I support. We don't do this often enough. >> > It's because it's too hard. It should just be that anyone can vacate a > (somewhat recent) judgement and reassign it to a new judge if they get say > 2 agoran consent, with a minimum of 3 voters for it or something. I don't think initiation difficulty is why we don't do this more. In the past (with appeals courts) we had more, but that's mostly because we didn't have motions to reconsider, so we had to convene the board of appeals just to correct trivial errors. For the non-trivial ones, I think the main reason - now that we've had moots for several years - is that voting just isn't a great way to resolve a complicated judicial opinion. It's a long voting process that doesn't set precedent, and puts you back to square one - you end up knowing that the majority of Agora was somehow unhappy with the first opinion (but often with splits as to why and no consensus-building). This problem would also apply to doing it by some level of Agoran Consent - making it easier to reassign via a "consent vote" would just make it a bit easier to go around in circles IMO. Appeals courts on the other hand can set precedents or give direct instructions for what the judge has to reconsider, so that's forward progress for the case when that happens. I'd also had it in the back of my mind to bring back the appeals court, for that reason. I wouldn't vote to make the current Moot process much easier to start, or to just allow reassignment with some level of consent, for the reasons above that voting/consent don't move things forward much. (And after all, in this case no one really complained the first week, when it was easier to start, for whatever reason...?) But if we brought appeals back I'd vote to make that easier. -G.
Re: DIS: a side-game for sets
On 5/16/20 10:56 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> *puts on pedantry hat* >> >> Isn't this an unordered list, rather than a set? > A list is defined by having an order. It's a multiset. Oh, no, I have failed my pedantry hat. I must not let it live to see this disgrace. *puts pedantry hat in trash can* -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: [Proto] Promises
On 5/17/20 3:04 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > A promise's bearer CAN, by announcement, cash the promise, > provided that any conditions for cashing it specified by its text are > unambiguously met and provided that e recites the promise's essential > attributes in the same message. When e does so, e acts on the creator of > the promise's behalf, causing em to act as if e published the promise's > text. > By creating a promise, a person consents to it being carried out. Is the "as if" sufficient to bypass R2466's prohibition on acting on behalf to post messages? Since this is in a rule, it can just say that the creator performs the actions (with appropriate safeguards for things the creator CAN/CANNOT do) without any acting on behalf. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset - Apr 2020
On 5/16/20 11:20 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> CFJ 3783 (called 07 Dec 2019): It is not possible to wan an election >>after it has ended. > Typo: wan > > - Falsifian *sigh* Typing is hard. This will be fixed in the next report. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Protos: Coins have Value
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:56 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 5/13/2020 1:20 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > On 5/13/20 2:04 PM, nch wrote: > >> The equivalent in Agora would be to have several desirable assets and > either > >> 1) restrict who can generate/get each asset without trading or 2) make > >> generating/getting them an investment where players are encouraged to > go deep > >> on one asset and trade for the others. > > > > Who's ready to form Guilds? > > > > Nothing is new... from R1960: > > Each player may have a Role, which is one of the following: > > (a) Politician, > (b) Scribe, > (c) Acolyte. > > A Player may have only one of these roles at a time. If a > Player gains a new role, then e ceases to hold any previous > roles. Initially players do not have any role. > > You could only switch role every 3 months. Each role "generated" one type > of asset, each type of asset had a specific use. Also, some uses of the > assets were role-specific, and there were role-based powers. So you > needed trades/partnerships to do stuff. Random late-night comment: If we enact something like this, the default value of the role switch should be "unenrolled". -Aris > >
DIS: Re: BUS: Moot Attempt
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:14 PM Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > > It's because it's too hard. It should just be that anyone can vacate a > (somewhat recent) judgement and reassign it to a new judge if they get say > 2 agoran consent, with a minimum of 3 voters for it or something. I have midterm plans to bring back appellate cases, but it keeps getting pushed back. -Aris
DIS: [Proto] Promises
This represents a reenactment of an old game system, with new text. I mentioned that I was considering something like this a while ago. The original is from [1], but I didn't go back and look at it until I'd almost finished mine (that was when I decided to add the Library and the fungibility clause, but I don't think I stole much else). I'm not actually sure how much they'll be used, but I've managed to squeeze it down to a single rule so the ruleset addition isn't huge even if they aren't used much. Thoughts and comments are welcome! [1] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2011-June/008818.html -Aris --- Title: Promises Adoption index: 2.0 Author: Aris Co-authors: Enact a new power 2.2 rule, entitled "Promises", with the following text: Promises are a class of assets, tracked by the Notary. Their essential attributes are their title, text, and creator. A person CAN, by announcement, create a promise, specifying its text and becoming its creator. A promise's owner is referred to as its bearer. Promises with the same title, text, creator, and bearer are fungible. A promise's bearer CAN, by announcement, cash the promise, provided that any conditions for cashing it specified by its text are unambiguously met and provided that e recites the promise's essential attributes in the same message. When e does so, e acts on the creator of the promise's behalf, causing em to act as if e published the promise's text. By creating a promise, a person consents to it being carried out. In a promise's text, "the bearer" (or the like) refers to the promise's bearer, and "this promise" (or the like) refers to the promise. The text of the promise can refer to the context of the message in which it is cashed, but the context of the message does not otherwise change the meaning of the promise. The Library is an entity and CAN own promises. Any player CAN take a promise from the Library by announcement, provided e cashes the promise in the same message. Amend Rule 2608, "The Notary", by changing the numbered list to read as follows: 1. every pledge, along with its title, creator, time window, time of creation, and time of expiry; 2. every contract, with its title, full provisions, and parties; and 3. every promise, along with its title, text, creator, and bearer.
