Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> 
> Campaign Proposals are Official Proposals, so they don't need manual pending.

Thanks. I read the rules on the subject and came away uncertain; pending both 
of my campaign proposals was cheap and reliable.

-o




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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

The one thing I like least about agora's current high activity is there's
always one person who answered your question just slightly before you, and
one just slightly after.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:47 PM Alex Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2017-10-25 at 02:40 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
>> > Campaign Proposals are Official Proposals, so they don't need manual
>> > pending.
>>
>> If you decide to pay the shinies to pend one even though it's already
>> pending, does it then pay out shinies if it passes?
>>
>> --
>> ais523
>>
> I'm under the impression that because pending is switching the Imminence
> to pending, a switch cannot be switched to its current value, and official
> proposals are inherently pending, the action is without effect.
>
> -Aris
>



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Aris Merchant]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:47 PM Alex Smith  wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-10-25 at 02:40 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > Campaign Proposals are Official Proposals, so they don't need manual
> > pending.
>
> If you decide to pay the shinies to pend one even though it's already
> pending, does it then pay out shinies if it passes?
>
> --
> ais523
>
I'm under the impression that because pending is switching the Imminence to
pending, a switch cannot be switched to its current value, and official
proposals are inherently pending, the action is without effect.

-Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

The text of the rules has this to say:
"Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, an Official proposal
 is always pending. Rules to the
contrary notwithstanding, players CANNOT
 claim rewards for the adoption
of an Official proposal."

So you can't claim the reward, and you can't spend money to "pend" it.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Alex Smith 
wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-10-25 at 02:40 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > Campaign Proposals are Official Proposals, so they don't need manual
> > pending.
>
> If you decide to pay the shinies to pend one even though it's already
> pending, does it then pay out shinies if it passes?
>
> --
> ais523
>



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alexis Hunt]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 at 22:47 Alex Smith  wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-10-25 at 02:40 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > Campaign Proposals are Official Proposals, so they don't need manual
> > pending.
>
> If you decide to pay the shinies to pend one even though it's already
> pending, does it then pay out shinies if it passes?
>
> --
> ais523
>

I believe it was held that you cannot spend to pend an already-pending
proposal. In any case, it's moot here, since rewards can't be collected for
official proposals.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alex Smith]

On Wed, 2017-10-25 at 02:40 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> Campaign Proposals are Official Proposals, so they don't need manual
> pending.

If you decide to pay the shinies to pend one even though it's already
pending, does it then pay out shinies if it passes?

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alexis Hunt]

Campaign Proposals are Official Proposals, so they don't need manual
pending.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 at 22:38 Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> I stand for election.
>
> I submit the following campaign proposal, and pend it by paying Agora 1
> shiny.
>
> Title: Farm No More
> AI: 2
> Author: o
>
> Repeal rule 2504, 2502, 2501, and 2503.
>
> -o
>
> > On Oct 24, 2017, at 5:49 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >
> > I do so.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> >> I support as well.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 03:13 Owen Jacobson,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:12 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
>  Yep. I intend to, with two support, initiate an Agronomist election
>  (the position is interim).
> >>>
> >>> I support.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >> From V.J. Rada
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

I initiate and stand for the Agronomist election (to avoid it all
getting repealed). My campaign proposal is as follows.

Title: Agronomist-Surveyor Combination
Author: VJ Rada
Text: Repeal rule 2504 "The Agronomist". Amend rule 2488 "The
Surveyor" by adding the text at the end "The Surveyor's weekly report
includes:
A list of Farms and their owners.
A list of Comestibles offers that have not been accepted and have not expired.".

Replace all instances of the word "Agronomist" with the word "Surveyor".

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> Er, which election?
>
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>> I initiate and stand for the election. My campaign proposal is as follows.
>>
>> Title: Agronomist-Surveyor Combination
>> Author: VJ Rada
>> Text: Repeal rule 2504 "The Agronomist". Amend rule 2488 "The
>> Surveyor" by adding the text at the end "The Surveyor's weekly report
>> includes:
>> A list of Farms and their owners.
>> A list of Comestibles offers that have not been accepted and have not 
>> expired.".
>>
>> Replace all instances of the word "Agronomist" with the word "Surveyor".
>>
>



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Kerim Aydin]

Er, which election?

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> I initiate and stand for the election. My campaign proposal is as follows.
> 
> Title: Agronomist-Surveyor Combination
> Author: VJ Rada
> Text: Repeal rule 2504 "The Agronomist". Amend rule 2488 "The
> Surveyor" by adding the text at the end "The Surveyor's weekly report
> includes:
> A list of Farms and their owners.
> A list of Comestibles offers that have not been accepted and have not 
> expired.".
> 
> Replace all instances of the word "Agronomist" with the word "Surveyor".
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alexis Hunt]

Ineffective, you did not become a candidate.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 05:49 VJ Rada,  wrote:

> I do so.
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> > I support as well.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 03:13 Owen Jacobson,  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:12 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yep. I intend to, with two support, initiate an Agronomist election
> >> > (the position is interim).
> >>
> >> I support.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alexis Hunt]

I support as well.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 03:13 Owen Jacobson,  wrote:

>
> > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:12 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >
> > Yep. I intend to, with two support, initiate an Agronomist election
> > (the position is interim).
>
> I support.
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:


I straight-up resign.

If it is possible for me to do so, I initiate an election for the office 
of Agronomist. I submit the following as a campaign proposal:


I think the first action made the second impossible.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> I believe the report is overdue though, traditionally, we are lax on officers 
> who take over midweek.

In an old system, we had a strong precedent or rule (can't remember) that
you can't ding an officer for missing something in eir first objection period 
(4 days) in office.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alexis Hunt]

I believe the report is overdue though, traditionally, we are lax on
officers who take over midweek.

Note that the new rules regarding your report mean you'll likely need to go
through some mailing list history to pick up the date that elections ended
for each office.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 21:09 ATMunn .  wrote:

> oh. I wasn't sure whether or not "I ratify the below document, which is:
> {Just now, ATMunn won an election for ADoP. Just now, Alexis won an
> election for Prime Minister}." actually meant that I hold ADoP and Alexis
> holds PM. I guess I should have figured that out, however, since Alexis's
> vote counted double in the recent proposal resolution.
>
> When do I need to have my report published by, then?
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
>
>> E already did. You're the ADoP now!
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:57 ATMunn .  wrote:
>>
>>> That's true. I think I'd agree on that, especially for you, since you'll
>>> soon lose ADoP.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:54 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>>
 It is 4 and 14 days, isn't it? That still gives em 3 to 4 days, if I
 prepare a report immediately after I'm allowed, which I doubt.

 I don't deny o's good officerlyness, I have complimented em on it many
 times. Having said that, e is also the richest Agoran, a holder of 5
 offices currently. It seems not unethical to take the easiest few of
 eir offices.

 On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin 
 wrote:
 >
 >
 > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
 >> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
 >> for the position to publish its weekly report.
 >
 > I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer
 that
 > hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
 > for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
 >
 >
 >



 --
 From V.J. Rada

>>>
>>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[ATMunn .]

oh. I wasn't sure whether or not "I ratify the below document, which is:
{Just now, ATMunn won an election for ADoP. Just now, Alexis won an
election for Prime Minister}." actually meant that I hold ADoP and Alexis
holds PM. I guess I should have figured that out, however, since Alexis's
vote counted double in the recent proposal resolution.

When do I need to have my report published by, then?

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> E already did. You're the ADoP now!
>
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:57 ATMunn .  wrote:
>
>> That's true. I think I'd agree on that, especially for you, since you'll
>> soon lose ADoP.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:54 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>
>>> It is 4 and 14 days, isn't it? That still gives em 3 to 4 days, if I
>>> prepare a report immediately after I'm allowed, which I doubt.
>>>
>>> I don't deny o's good officerlyness, I have complimented em on it many
>>> times. Having said that, e is also the richest Agoran, a holder of 5
>>> offices currently. It seems not unethical to take the easiest few of
>>> eir offices.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>>> >> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
>>> >> for the position to publish its weekly report.
>>> >
>>> > I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
>>> > hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
>>> > for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>>
>>
>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I agree with this and have written o, asking em, if e needed interim help.


On 10/22/2017 07:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
>> for the position to publish its weekly report.
> I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
> hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
> for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
>
>
>




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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Kerim Aydin]

Fair enough on that last point - I shouldn't talk I grabbed Herald from
PSS last month for the same reasons (i.e. I needed the cash).

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> It is 4 and 14 days, isn't it? That still gives em 3 to 4 days, if I
> prepare a report immediately after I'm allowed, which I doubt.
> 
> I don't deny o's good officerlyness, I have complimented em on it many
> times. Having said that, e is also the richest Agoran, a holder of 5
> offices currently. It seems not unethical to take the easiest few of
> eir offices.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> >> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
> >> for the position to publish its weekly report.
> >
> > I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
> > hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
> > for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

Yeah, lost and gone. I also just lost superintendent and PM rip. Bad two days.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> E already did. You're the ADoP now!
>
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:57 ATMunn .  wrote:
>>
>> That's true. I think I'd agree on that, especially for you, since you'll
>> soon lose ADoP.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:54 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>>
>>> It is 4 and 14 days, isn't it? That still gives em 3 to 4 days, if I
>>> prepare a report immediately after I'm allowed, which I doubt.
>>>
>>> I don't deny o's good officerlyness, I have complimented em on it many
>>> times. Having said that, e is also the richest Agoran, a holder of 5
>>> offices currently. It seems not unethical to take the easiest few of
>>> eir offices.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>>> >> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
>>> >> for the position to publish its weekly report.
>>> >
>>> > I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
>>> > hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
>>> > for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>
>>
>



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

Especially given that e is the Referee and the Secretary, which are
VERY important to publish each week, given the 7-day statute of
limitations and the Floating Value (and general effects of economic
uncertainty). I feel little guilt, honestly, and now that we have
excellent electoral systems I'm sure e could rechallenge and depose me
quickly.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:54 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> It is 4 and 14 days, isn't it? That still gives em 3 to 4 days, if I
> prepare a report immediately after I'm allowed, which I doubt.
>
> I don't deny o's good officerlyness, I have complimented em on it many
> times. Having said that, e is also the richest Agoran, a holder of 5
> offices currently. It seems not unethical to take the easiest few of
> eir offices.
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>>> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
>>> for the position to publish its weekly report.
>>
>> I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
>> hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
>> for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



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>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alexis Hunt]

E already did. You're the ADoP now!

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:57 ATMunn .  wrote:

> That's true. I think I'd agree on that, especially for you, since you'll
> soon lose ADoP.
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:54 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>
>> It is 4 and 14 days, isn't it? That still gives em 3 to 4 days, if I
>> prepare a report immediately after I'm allowed, which I doubt.
>>
>> I don't deny o's good officerlyness, I have complimented em on it many
>> times. Having said that, e is also the richest Agoran, a holder of 5
>> offices currently. It seems not unethical to take the easiest few of
>> eir offices.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>> >> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
>> >> for the position to publish its weekly report.
>> >
>> > I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
>> > hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
>> > for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[ATMunn .]

That's true. I think I'd agree on that, especially for you, since you'll
soon lose ADoP.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:54 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> It is 4 and 14 days, isn't it? That still gives em 3 to 4 days, if I
> prepare a report immediately after I'm allowed, which I doubt.
>
> I don't deny o's good officerlyness, I have complimented em on it many
> times. Having said that, e is also the richest Agoran, a holder of 5
> offices currently. It seems not unethical to take the easiest few of
> eir offices.
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> >> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
> >> for the position to publish its weekly report.
> >
> > I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
> > hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
> > for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

It is 4 and 14 days, isn't it? That still gives em 3 to 4 days, if I
prepare a report immediately after I'm allowed, which I doubt.

I don't deny o's good officerlyness, I have complimented em on it many
times. Having said that, e is also the richest Agoran, a holder of 5
offices currently. It seems not unethical to take the easiest few of
eir offices.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
>> for the position to publish its weekly report.
>
> I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
> hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
> for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).
>
>
>



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>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Reuben Staley]

Agronomy in Agora can still go a long way, and I don't think it should 
be repealed. At most, it needs to be reworked. The sentiment among 
Agorans is that we need a more player-centric economy, so that shinies 
can trade hands between players rather than between Agora and a player.


On 10/22/2017 5:39 PM, VJ Rada wrote:

Did it? OK, fair enough.

We should probably just repeal Agronomy? It's a really complicated
modification of five things that creates so many empty reports that
the reportor forgot to publish them until last week. And the person
whose idea it was left immediately after coming up with it.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

Contracts passed, and was enacted unless my CFJ turns out true (G., any
likelihood of expediting that one and possibly linking it with my previous
one about the Promotor's report?)

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:36 VJ Rada  wrote:


Superintendent still exists and Secretary does pending Contracts
actually passing, of course.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:32 Kerim Aydin  wrote:




The regkeepor should be monthly not weekly - if you want a sinecure
it's that - a completely empty weekly report for the last two months.

We just repealed organizations, right?  So that's the Secretary gone.



Superintendent is gone now, Secretary is renamed Treasuror but Notary is
created, so there's no total net change.



I thought for a while that the Herald and Tailor should be merged, but
now with Karma I wouldn't want to take on Tailor too.

I think the Surveyor can be merged with the Superintendent perhaps.



I think you mean the Agronomist? I agree those don't need to be the same
person. They could probably be both merged with Treasuror at this point.

(Aside: we should return to variable office salaries; currently
compensation
does not match difficulty at all)

-Alexis




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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> By the by, I forgot o. is also the agronomist. I intend to deputize
> for the position to publish its weekly report.

I have to say, o has been a conscientious and hard-working Officer that
hasn't missed deadlines generally - it seems churlish to grab offices
for a single missed week (I think it's been just one...?).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

No I love the buying and selling of voting power idea there. If we
maybe made it cheaper and easier to understand, and increased the
number of Estates perhaps, it would maybe work. Problem, of course, is
buy-in.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>> We should probably just repeal Agronomy? It's a really complicated
>> modification of five things that creates so many empty reports that
>> the reportor forgot to publish them until last week. And the person
>> whose idea it was left immediately after coming up with it.
>
> Actually, with a little work that's one that could turn nicely into
> part of the diversity of things to spend shinies on that we've been
> wanting.  I've been pondering that a bit and have a few ideas (though
> we could always just start over there, too).
>
>
>



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>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> We should probably just repeal Agronomy? It's a really complicated
> modification of five things that creates so many empty reports that
> the reportor forgot to publish them until last week. And the person
> whose idea it was left immediately after coming up with it.

Actually, with a little work that's one that could turn nicely into
part of the diversity of things to spend shinies on that we've been
wanting.  I've been pondering that a bit and have a few ideas (though 
we could always just start over there, too).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

>From now on, I will "create the following and spend a shiny to pend it"

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:42 AM, ATMunn .  wrote:
> Also, "create and spend a shiny to pend the following" implies that you're
> creating a shiny, and then spending it, which is IMPOSSIBLE.
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>>
>> I think you mean pend, not spend.
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> > I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
>> > Name: Repeal the Reportor
>> > AI: 1
>> > Author: me
>> > Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"
>> >
>> > --
>> > From V.J. Rada
>
>



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>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
>
> Contracts passed, and was enacted unless my CFJ turns out true (G., any 
> likelihood 
> of expediting that one and possibly linking it with my previous one about the 
> Promotor's report?)

Might not be today, but should get it out by tomorrow.

But I assigned the Promotor one to Gaelan - may have been a mistake because
e didn't judge the last one I gave em and e's clearly been too busy to
cover eir Officer duties right now.  If expedited is needed I might choose
someone else.

I'm also hoping PSS publishes resolution again right away so we're not
at risk of rewinding too much if it's true...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[ATMunn .]

Also, "create and spend a shiny to pend the following" implies that you're
creating a shiny, and then spending it, which is IMPOSSIBLE.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you mean pend, not spend.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> > I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
> > Name: Repeal the Reportor
> > AI: 1
> > Author: me
> > Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"
> >
> > --
> > From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The regkeepor should be monthly not weekly - if you want a sinecure
> > it's that - a completely empty weekly report for the last two months.
> 
> The Regkeepor has been diligently doing eir work unpaid, except for
> those weeks in which e forgets to collect eir pay for Promotor.

Voluntary donations should not be mistaken for good policy.

> > We just repealed organizations, right?  So that's the Secretary gone.
> 
> Secretary and Superintendent -> Treasuror and Notary

Ugh.  We really have far, far too many competing half-systems, still.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

Did it? OK, fair enough.

We should probably just repeal Agronomy? It's a really complicated
modification of five things that creates so many empty reports that
the reportor forgot to publish them until last week. And the person
whose idea it was left immediately after coming up with it.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> Contracts passed, and was enacted unless my CFJ turns out true (G., any
> likelihood of expediting that one and possibly linking it with my previous
> one about the Promotor's report?)
>
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:36 VJ Rada  wrote:
>>
>> Superintendent still exists and Secretary does pending Contracts
>> actually passing, of course.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
>> > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:32 Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The regkeepor should be monthly not weekly - if you want a sinecure
>> >> it's that - a completely empty weekly report for the last two months.
>> >>
>> >> We just repealed organizations, right?  So that's the Secretary gone.
>> >
>> >
>> > Superintendent is gone now, Secretary is renamed Treasuror but Notary is
>> > created, so there's no total net change.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I thought for a while that the Herald and Tailor should be merged, but
>> >> now with Karma I wouldn't want to take on Tailor too.
>> >>
>> >> I think the Surveyor can be merged with the Superintendent perhaps.
>> >
>> >
>> > I think you mean the Agronomist? I agree those don't need to be the same
>> > person. They could probably be both merged with Treasuror at this point.
>> >
>> > (Aside: we should return to variable office salaries; currently
>> > compensation
>> > does not match difficulty at all)
>> >
>> > -Alexis
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alexis Hunt]

Contracts passed, and was enacted unless my CFJ turns out true (G., any
likelihood of expediting that one and possibly linking it with my previous
one about the Promotor's report?)
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:36 VJ Rada  wrote:

> Superintendent still exists and Secretary does pending Contracts
> actually passing, of course.
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:32 Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The regkeepor should be monthly not weekly - if you want a sinecure
> >> it's that - a completely empty weekly report for the last two months.
> >>
> >> We just repealed organizations, right?  So that's the Secretary gone.
> >
> >
> > Superintendent is gone now, Secretary is renamed Treasuror but Notary is
> > created, so there's no total net change.
> >>
> >>
> >> I thought for a while that the Herald and Tailor should be merged, but
> >> now with Karma I wouldn't want to take on Tailor too.
> >>
> >> I think the Surveyor can be merged with the Superintendent perhaps.
> >
> >
> > I think you mean the Agronomist? I agree those don't need to be the same
> > person. They could probably be both merged with Treasuror at this point.
> >
> > (Aside: we should return to variable office salaries; currently
> compensation
> > does not match difficulty at all)
> >
> > -Alexis
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Aris Merchant]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> The regkeepor should be monthly not weekly - if you want a sinecure
> it's that - a completely empty weekly report for the last two months.

The Regkeepor has been diligently doing eir work unpaid, except for
those weeks in which e forgets to collect eir pay for Promotor.

> We just repealed organizations, right?  So that's the Secretary gone.

Secretary and Superintendent -> Treasuror and Notary


-Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

Superintendent still exists and Secretary does pending Contracts
actually passing, of course.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:32 Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The regkeepor should be monthly not weekly - if you want a sinecure
>> it's that - a completely empty weekly report for the last two months.
>>
>> We just repealed organizations, right?  So that's the Secretary gone.
>
>
> Superintendent is gone now, Secretary is renamed Treasuror but Notary is
> created, so there's no total net change.
>>
>>
>> I thought for a while that the Herald and Tailor should be merged, but
>> now with Karma I wouldn't want to take on Tailor too.
>>
>> I think the Surveyor can be merged with the Superintendent perhaps.
>
>
> I think you mean the Agronomist? I agree those don't need to be the same
> person. They could probably be both merged with Treasuror at this point.
>
> (Aside: we should return to variable office salaries; currently compensation
> does not match difficulty at all)
>
> -Alexis



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Alexis Hunt]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 19:32 Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> The regkeepor should be monthly not weekly - if you want a sinecure
> it's that - a completely empty weekly report for the last two months.
>
> We just repealed organizations, right?  So that's the Secretary gone.
>

Superintendent is gone now, Secretary is renamed Treasuror but Notary is
created, so there's no total net change.

>
> I thought for a while that the Herald and Tailor should be merged, but
> now with Karma I wouldn't want to take on Tailor too.
>
> I think the Surveyor can be merged with the Superintendent perhaps.
>

I think you mean the Agronomist? I agree those don't need to be the same
person. They could probably be both merged with Treasuror at this point.

(Aside: we should return to variable office salaries; currently
compensation does not match difficulty at all)

-Alexis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Kerim Aydin]

The regkeepor should be monthly not weekly - if you want a sinecure
it's that - a completely empty weekly report for the last two months.

We just repealed organizations, right?  So that's the Secretary gone.

I thought for a while that the Herald and Tailor should be merged, but 
now with Karma I wouldn't want to take on Tailor too.

I think the Surveyor can be merged with the Superintendent perhaps.


On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> It's literally a complete sinecure. We have 20 offices now, I think.
> And 20 players. It seems like pruning non-essential offices is sorely
> needed, and this one is the least essential possible. While all the
> other offices have a report containing information, this office is
> just "make a report!" "with what?" "words!".
> 
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > I concur. We finally have an active reportor, now is not the time to
> > repeal the newspaper.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Reuben Staley  
> > wrote:
> >> Why though? Even if it isn't an entirely useful of the game, I still enjoy
> >> reading the newspaper every week.
> >>
> >> On 10/22/2017 3:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
> >>> Name: Repeal the Reportor
> >>> AI: 1
> >>> Author: me
> >>> Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Trigon
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Aris Merchant]

So make a length or substance requirement or something. Our current
reportor is doing quite an excellent job. Also, offices aren't bad so
long as they do _something_. This one tells people what's going on in
an interesting way, and provides an archive for future generations of
Agorans [1].

[1] http://zenith.homelinux.net/awj.php

-Aris

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:08 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> It's literally a complete sinecure. We have 20 offices now, I think.
> And 20 players. It seems like pruning non-essential offices is sorely
> needed, and this one is the least essential possible. While all the
> other offices have a report containing information, this office is
> just "make a report!" "with what?" "words!".
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>> I concur. We finally have an active reportor, now is not the time to
>> repeal the newspaper.
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Reuben Staley  
>> wrote:
>>> Why though? Even if it isn't an entirely useful of the game, I still enjoy
>>> reading the newspaper every week.
>>>
>>> On 10/22/2017 3:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote:

 I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
 Name: Repeal the Reportor
 AI: 1
 Author: me
 Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"

>>>
>>> --
>>> Trigon
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[VJ Rada]

It's literally a complete sinecure. We have 20 offices now, I think.
And 20 players. It seems like pruning non-essential offices is sorely
needed, and this one is the least essential possible. While all the
other offices have a report containing information, this office is
just "make a report!" "with what?" "words!".

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I concur. We finally have an active reportor, now is not the time to
> repeal the newspaper.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Reuben Staley  
> wrote:
>> Why though? Even if it isn't an entirely useful of the game, I still enjoy
>> reading the newspaper every week.
>>
>> On 10/22/2017 3:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
>>>
>>> I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
>>> Name: Repeal the Reportor
>>> AI: 1
>>> Author: me
>>> Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Trigon



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Aris Merchant]

I concur. We finally have an active reportor, now is not the time to
repeal the newspaper.

-Aris

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Reuben Staley  wrote:
> Why though? Even if it isn't an entirely useful of the game, I still enjoy
> reading the newspaper every week.
>
> On 10/22/2017 3:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
>>
>> I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
>> Name: Repeal the Reportor
>> AI: 1
>> Author: me
>> Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"
>>
>
> --
> Trigon

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Reuben Staley]

Why though? Even if it isn't an entirely useful of the game, I still 
enjoy reading the newspaper every week.


On 10/22/2017 3:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote:

I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
Name: Repeal the Reportor
AI: 1
Author: me
Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"



--
Trigon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Josh T]

At least let me do the things I want to do with the office that I've held
off doing since I wanted to wait until Contracts was out.

天火狐

On 22 October 2017 at 17:55, VJ Rada  wrote:

> I _spend_ a shiny to _pend_ "Repeal the Reportor"
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > I think you mean pend, not spend.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >> I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
> >> Name: Repeal the Reportor
> >> AI: 1
> >> Author: me
> >> Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"
> >>
> >> --
> >> From V.J. Rada
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

[Aris Merchant]

I think you mean pend, not spend.

-Aris

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> I create and spend a shiny to spend the following
> Name: Repeal the Reportor
> AI: 1
> Author: me
> Text: Repeal rule 2446 "The Agoran Newspaper"
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada