Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 19:42 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Hmm... I will start the Decision to award a degree after a brief period for discussion. I notice a few minor errors, which is reasonable but I think it would have reflected better on the quality had you submitted it for review first. Most significant is comex's alleged win by Clout, which the Herald's records do not contain, and which I personally recall never occurred. While I don't have the time to search through the archives myself, is there any indication that comex actually won there? Looking through the archives, I couldn't see any indication that e didn't win. There were something like three attempts made; and it's unclear from the sequence of messages what exactly happened; Yally attempted to block, but I think CFJ 2767 found that comex's second attempt worked before Yally could block it. On the other hand, the Herald (comex at the time) forgot to actually announce the win, for whatever reason; perhaps e was waiting for the result of the CFJ and then forgot it was relevant. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 11:55 +0100, ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 19:42 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Hmm... I will start the Decision to award a degree after a brief period for discussion. I notice a few minor errors, which is reasonable but I think it would have reflected better on the quality had you submitted it for review first. Most significant is comex's alleged win by Clout, which the Herald's records do not contain, and which I personally recall never occurred. While I don't have the time to search through the archives myself, is there any indication that comex actually won there? Looking through the archives, I couldn't see any indication that e didn't win. There were something like three attempts made; and it's unclear from the sequence of messages what exactly happened; Yally attempted to block, but I think CFJ 2767 found that comex's second attempt worked before Yally could block it. On the other hand, the Herald (comex at the time) forgot to actually announce the win, for whatever reason; perhaps e was waiting for the result of the CFJ and then forgot it was relevant. Come to think of it, Agora could really do with BlogNomic-style declarations of victory. (In BlogNomic, everyone votes on whether a win actually happened or not, and then that status is immediately ratified.) I don't think the wins from the do-not-publicly-acknowledge proposal have been processed yet, even though IIRC a CFJ found they happened. -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Alex Smith wrote: Assuming that Taral eventually approves the message, the thesis counts as being submitted already. So people can see what it is, I've attached a compressed version of the email I sent, to get around the size filters. Nice start, but I think either synthetic analysis or going further back in history would be required to call this doctorate-level. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Alex Smith wrote: Assuming that Taral eventually approves the message, the thesis counts as being submitted already. So people can see what it is, I've attached a compressed version of the email I sent, to get around the size filters. Nice start, but I think either synthetic analysis or going further back in history would be required to call this doctorate-level. -G. ps. whatever happened to Canada?
DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On 08/10/2010 04:05 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 17:00 -0500, agora-business-ad...@agoranomic.org wrote: Your mail to 'agora-business' with the subject BUS: A History of Agoran Wins, 2009-Present Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 78665 bytes but there's a limit of 40 KB Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. This always seems to happen to me when I try to submit theses! Assuming that Taral eventually approves the message, the thesis counts as being submitted already. So people can see what it is, I've attached a compressed version of the email I sent, to get around the size filters. Hmm... I will start the Decision to award a degree after a brief period for discussion. I notice a few minor errors, which is reasonable but I think it would have reflected better on the quality had you submitted it for review first. Most significant is comex's alleged win by Clout, which the Herald's records do not contain, and which I personally recall never occurred. While I don't have the time to search through the archives myself, is there any indication that comex actually won there? -coppro
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
G. wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Alex Smith wrote: Assuming that Taral eventually approves the message, the thesis counts as being submitted already. So people can see what it is, I've attached a compressed version of the email I sent, to get around the size filters. Nice start, but I think either synthetic analysis or going further back in history would be required to call this doctorate-level. -G. I was thinking B.N. myself, using my Partnership thesis as a rough metric. (Then e can improve on it later for another Indigo ribbon.)
DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the document attached to the email as a thesis, if possible. (Otherwise, I'll have to wait for the full text version to be unblocked.) -- ais523 Who was playing without reading the rules?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the document attached to the email as a thesis, if possible. (Otherwise, I'll have to wait for the full text version to be unblocked.) -- ais523 Who was playing without reading the rules? ehird.
DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the document attached to the email as a thesis, if possible. (Otherwise, I'll have to wait for the full text version to be unblocked.) For anyone without gunzip: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1407930
DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
Really, the idea that R2105 (The Map of Agora) has been a traditional target of scamsters is a bit exaggerated. Here's the full history. The map was created by Maud's proposal 4735. This wasn't the result of a scam or anything, but people were itching a bit for a map, and voters liked the proposal. Sherlock's proposal 4807 added the whale and the names of Sherlock, Goethe, and Manu. Back then, ordinary proposals were much more limited in terms of who could vote on them at the time, and they happened to be the eligible voters at the time. There wasn't an actual scam involved as far as I can recall. Manu's proposal 4821, PH'NGLUI attempted to replace the whale with R'lyeh, but failed. Oscar's Mire was added as a gratuitous side effect of Goethe's Proposal 4866, the large repeal proposal of 2006. And the last proposal to amend the rule's text was Zefram's Proposal 4946, which merely fiddled with the formatting. -root
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Ian Kelly wrote: Really, the idea that R2105 (The Map of Agora) has been a traditional target of scamsters is a bit exaggerated. Here's the full history. The map was created by Maud's proposal 4735. This wasn't the result of a scam or anything, but people were itching a bit for a map, and voters liked the proposal. Sorry if I overstated it. I more meant that it was a target of name graffiti when a subset of people thought they had the ordinary votes (i.e. that they had the Clout), not necessarily through scams - and that Maud (with the first editing) said that e liked the idea. I admit I thought it was attempted once or twice more tho. -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Sean Hunt wrote:
Alex Smith wrote:
I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held
for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version
sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the
document attached to the email as a thesis, if possible. (Otherwise,
I'll have to wait for the full text version to be unblocked.)
I submit the following proposal, AI 1, II 2, entitled {Thesis votes}:
We used to have a rather complex process to approve theses. This was
replaced, but with the suggestion that the proposal, while described
simply, SHOULD be made and voted favorably on after the thesis had been
discussed, debated, perhaps edited after we've all given nice scholarly
comments, etc. If you re-formalize the process please include this.
-Goethe
DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed
coppro wrote:
Create a new power-1 rule reading as follows:
{{
The Herald SHALL, as soon as possible after the enactment of this
rule, initiate an Agoran Decision to award ais523 a degree for eir
thesis on the ruleset, as specified in rule 1367. When e does so,
e CAN and SHALL repeal this rule in the same message.
}}
}}}
s/repeal this rule/cause this rule to repeal itself/ (otherwise it falls
afoul of Power restrictions).
