Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 14:07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BobTHJ wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on >>> time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. >>> >> I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting >> out crazy transactions like this I would have plenty of time to >> publish reports for the contracts that I manage. > > How extensively have you automated your recordkeeping? CotC has been > automated for years; Assessor has been considerably easier since it > became automated (I still have to hand-evaluate conditional votes, > but most of those are SELL(X - Y) for which I just enter Y up front > and change it if/when the ticket is filled). > > I haven't, didn't really see the need until this last week. BobTHJ
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
BobTHJ wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on >> time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. >> > I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting > out crazy transactions like this I would have plenty of time to > publish reports for the contracts that I manage. How extensively have you automated your recordkeeping? CotC has been automated for years; Assessor has been considerably easier since it became automated (I still have to hand-evaluate conditional votes, but most of those are SELL(X - Y) for which I just enter Y up front and change it if/when the ticket is filled).
DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 19:34, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:11 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the >>> PBA. >> >> I withdraw all assets that I deposited in this message, except for 2 VP. > > Dandy. > > I do this 30 times: if I have more than 50 VP, I deposit 1 VP for at > least 15 coins. > Warrigal has 73 VP, so this happens a max of 23 times (assuming the VP rates allow). BobTHJ
DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 16:11, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the PBA. > Comex had the following assets at the time of this message: 25VP CROPS & VOUCHERS FARMER 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X WRV comex 92 2 2 3 12 1 1 I'm assuming them all to be deposited in the PBA (I don't see why this wouldn't work). I'll have to wait on ehird to hear what of the subsequent withdraw succeeds. BobTHJ
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:13 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is an excellent reason to uphold the "specific" precedent and > make such crazy transactions much more difficult. Personally I think CFJ 1307 was wrongly decided. It hinges on the M-W dictionary using only "explicitly" in the definition of "specify" where the OED uses "definitely or explicitly"; IMO "all of my assets" is definite if not explicit. And I see this as an excellent reason for the banks to require better language in transaction requests. Preferably in a machine-parsable format.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:13, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on >>> time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. >>> >> I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting >> out crazy transactions like this I would have plenty of time to >> publish reports for the contracts that I manage. > > Which is an excellent reason to uphold the "specific" precedent and > make such crazy transactions much more difficult. > I'm fine with considering comex's transaction to fail for lack of specification if ehird also agrees. BobTHJ
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on >> time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. >> > I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting > out crazy transactions like this I would have plenty of time to > publish reports for the contracts that I manage. Which is an excellent reason to uphold the "specific" precedent and make such crazy transactions much more difficult.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 15:13, Roger Hicks wrote: I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting out crazy transactions like this I would have plenty of time to publish reports for the contracts that I manage. Hear, hear. -- ehird
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on > time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. > I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting out crazy transactions like this I would have plenty of time to publish reports for the contracts that I manage. BobTHJ
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 10:04 -0400, comex wrote: > Note that I've already been well punished, losing 14 VP from that > transaction, which is well-defined (the last VM report was a few days > ago); there's no way that my holdings of any other asset is up to the > exchange rate so the deposit-withdraw is a no-op except that I might > get Coins out of it. Not even 0 crops? If you had more than 3 of them, there's trouble. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I initiate an equity case against The Agoran Agricultural Association,
> specifying its list of parties as {{BobTHJ, Murphy, Wooble, comex, root,
> Taral, OscarMeyr, the AFO, Quazie, Pavitra, ais523, Teh Cltohed Mna,
> woggle, Warrigal, ehird, The PerlNomic Partnership, Sir Toby, the PBA}},
> and the state of affairs whereby events have not proceeded as envisioned
> by the contract is that due to comex's actions with respect to the PBA,
> it is now very difficult to determine the number of AAA-defined assets
> comex and the PBA hold without unreasonable effort on the part of
> multiple recordkeepors.
>
> I submit the following argument: The situation is even worse than it was
> when I did a typo-filled bank run against the RBoA, as that merely moved
> assets around in a way that could be determined iteratively between the
> recordkeepors; in this case, there is ambiguity that seems likely to
> persist for several days, as AAA reports are rare nowadays and knowledge
> of comex's holdings between several contracts is needed in order to
> determine how many assets were transferred to the PBA, and thus the
> resulting exchange rates, which would have affected comex's subsequent
> attempted withdrawals and thus have lead to a very confusing gamestate.
Note that I've already been well punished, losing 14 VP from that
transaction, which is well-defined (the last VM report was a few days
ago); there's no way that my holdings of any other asset is up to the
exchange rate so the deposit-withdraw is a no-op except that I might
get Coins out of it. So my Coins are unknown, but my other asset
holdings are known (well, as known as they were before the
transaction, which is not very much, but...) I argue that both the
deposits and withdraws may have failed due to lack of specificity, due
to CFJ 1307 now that actions must be specified, hence my CFJ on
whether parameters count as part of the action. If they do, then a
lot more than my transaction is in question.
I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on
time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out.
DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:03 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:11 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the >> PBA. > > I withdraw all assets that I deposited in this message, except for 2 VP. You might not have enough coins. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown
DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On 27/10/2008, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:11 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the >> PBA. > > I withdraw all assets that I deposited in this message, except for 2 VP. > can't afford all of them.
DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird
On 26 Oct 2008, at 22:11, comex wrote: I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the PBA. >__< God damn it. -- ehird
