Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 09:42, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > On 11 August 2011 16:26, Arkady English > wrote: > > On 11 August 2011 15:20, Charles Walker > wrote: > >> On 11 August 2011 14:57, Jonatan Kilhamn > wrote: > >>> On 11 August 2011 00:09, Elliott Hird > wrote: > Agora cannot play BlogNomic without some construct in the rules > allowing it to; the only affect this will have is to spam the lists. > > >>> Well, obviously the game of agora, now an entity capable of taking > >>> action within itself, couldn't really do such a thing. What is my duty > >>> though, is to arrange for there to be a player named Agora in > >>> BlogNomic that acts out the will of the Agoran community. Mostly > >>> because this is the only possible way to enact my rules-imposed duty > >>> as ambassador. To start with, I intend to play the game on behalf of > >>> Agora, seeing as I was elected Ambassador. If this raises any > >>> discussion about how Agora should act in BlogNomic, we'll have to come > >>> up with some mechanism for deciding what actions I, on behalf of > >>> Agora, should take. > >> > >> I believe that I proposed allowing players to act on Agora's behalf > >> with Agoran Consent, but I'm not sure what happened to that. This > >> would be useful for you to get Agora to join BlogNomic, but it would > >> hardly be easy to play BlogNomic waiting for Agoran Consent for every > >> single action. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Charles Walker > >> > > > > A special case may be necessary, whereby Agoran Consent with respect > > to BlogNomic is taken with 24 hours to give support or objection. > > > > I don't see why it can't be the mission of the Ambassador to act in > Agora's best interest. That's pretty much what an ambassador used to > be about: the guy who was entrusted to hang out in other countries and > know what the people back home would want him to say. > > /Tiger > I definitely agree with the notion of the Ambassador just making decisions on Agora's behalf. If we don't like the way you're handling things, we can just elect someone else to the office.
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
> I suppose this might depend on what BlogNomic considers Agora being a > player of it to consist of. In Agora, legal (second-class) persons > have to meet certain criteria and can only act as defined by the > Rules. Does BlogNomic allow legal persons to play, or have certain > restrictions in place? > > -- > Charles Walker > Not really. On registering, it just says "anybody may apply to join BlogNomic by..." and then, in Fair Play, "A single person should not control more than one Gladiator within BlogNomic." Gladiator is the round-specific term for Player. So when registering, I said that I (the person Jonatan Kilhamn) wanted to join with the screen name Agora Nomic, playing on Agora's behalf. /Tiger
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
I'm a blognomic player. Our rules state that "anybody" can be a player. To me, at least, a game is not "anybody", but this question of interpretation would likely be settled by CFJ. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Charles Walker wrote: > On 11 August 2011 16:10, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >> On 11 August 2011 17:03, Charles Walker wrote: >>> On 11 August 2011 15:42, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I don't see why it can't be the mission of the Ambassador to act in Agora's best interest. That's pretty much what an ambassador used to be about: the guy who was entrusted to hang out in other countries and know what the people back home would want him to say. /Tiger >>> >>> In that case we would need a rule allowing the Ambassador to act on >>> Agora's behalf in other nomics. At the moment there simply isn't a >>> mechanism which allows it to act at all. >>> >> So this: >> >> When the office of Ambassador first becomes filled, the holder >> SHALL as soon as possible attempt to cause Agora to become a >> player of BlogNomic. >> >> is kind of pointless? It allows for me to cause Agora to become a >> player, rather than ruling that Agora should become a player, so this >> far it's explicitly me on behalf of it. But yeah, there's nothing at >> all about Agora taking actions elsewhere, now that it is a player >> there. >> >> /Tiger >> > > I suppose this might depend on what BlogNomic considers Agora being a > player of it to consist of. In Agora, legal (second-class) persons > have to meet certain criteria and can only act as defined by the > Rules. Does BlogNomic allow legal persons to play, or have certain > restrictions in place? > > -- > Charles Walker >
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
On 11 August 2011 16:10, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > On 11 August 2011 17:03, Charles Walker wrote: >> On 11 August 2011 15:42, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >>> I don't see why it can't be the mission of the Ambassador to act in >>> Agora's best interest. That's pretty much what an ambassador used to >>> be about: the guy who was entrusted to hang out in other countries and >>> know what the people back home would want him to say. >>> >>> /Tiger >>> >> >> In that case we would need a rule allowing the Ambassador to act on >> Agora's behalf in other nomics. At the moment there simply isn't a >> mechanism which allows it to act at all. >> > So this: > > When the office of Ambassador first becomes filled, the holder > SHALL as soon as possible attempt to cause Agora to become a > player of BlogNomic. > > is kind of pointless? It allows for me to cause Agora to become a > player, rather than ruling that Agora should become a player, so this > far it's explicitly me on behalf of it. But yeah, there's nothing at > all about Agora taking actions elsewhere, now that it is a player > there. > > /Tiger > I suppose this might depend on what BlogNomic considers Agora being a player of it to consist of. In Agora, legal (second-class) persons have to meet certain criteria and can only act as defined by the Rules. Does BlogNomic allow legal persons to play, or have certain restrictions in place? -- Charles Walker
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
On 11 August 2011 17:03, Charles Walker wrote: > On 11 August 2011 15:42, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >> I don't see why it can't be the mission of the Ambassador to act in >> Agora's best interest. That's pretty much what an ambassador used to >> be about: the guy who was entrusted to hang out in other countries and >> know what the people back home would want him to say. >> >> /Tiger >> > > In that case we would need a rule allowing the Ambassador to act on > Agora's behalf in other nomics. At the moment there simply isn't a > mechanism which allows it to act at all. > So this: When the office of Ambassador first becomes filled, the holder SHALL as soon as possible attempt to cause Agora to become a player of BlogNomic. is kind of pointless? It allows for me to cause Agora to become a player, rather than ruling that Agora should become a player, so this far it's explicitly me on behalf of it. But yeah, there's nothing at all about Agora taking actions elsewhere, now that it is a player there. /Tiger
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
On 11 August 2011 15:42, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > I don't see why it can't be the mission of the Ambassador to act in > Agora's best interest. That's pretty much what an ambassador used to > be about: the guy who was entrusted to hang out in other countries and > know what the people back home would want him to say. > > /Tiger > In that case we would need a rule allowing the Ambassador to act on Agora's behalf in other nomics. At the moment there simply isn't a mechanism which allows it to act at all. -- Charles Walker
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
On 11 August 2011 16:26, Arkady English wrote: > On 11 August 2011 15:20, Charles Walker wrote: >> On 11 August 2011 14:57, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >>> On 11 August 2011 00:09, Elliott Hird >>> wrote: Agora cannot play BlogNomic without some construct in the rules allowing it to; the only affect this will have is to spam the lists. >>> Well, obviously the game of agora, now an entity capable of taking >>> action within itself, couldn't really do such a thing. What is my duty >>> though, is to arrange for there to be a player named Agora in >>> BlogNomic that acts out the will of the Agoran community. Mostly >>> because this is the only possible way to enact my rules-imposed duty >>> as ambassador. To start with, I intend to play the game on behalf of >>> Agora, seeing as I was elected Ambassador. If this raises any >>> discussion about how Agora should act in BlogNomic, we'll have to come >>> up with some mechanism for deciding what actions I, on behalf of >>> Agora, should take. >> >> I believe that I proposed allowing players to act on Agora's behalf >> with Agoran Consent, but I'm not sure what happened to that. This >> would be useful for you to get Agora to join BlogNomic, but it would >> hardly be easy to play BlogNomic waiting for Agoran Consent for every >> single action. >> >> >> -- >> Charles Walker >> > > A special case may be necessary, whereby Agoran Consent with respect > to BlogNomic is taken with 24 hours to give support or objection. > I don't see why it can't be the mission of the Ambassador to act in Agora's best interest. That's pretty much what an ambassador used to be about: the guy who was entrusted to hang out in other countries and know what the people back home would want him to say. /Tiger
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
On 11 August 2011 15:20, Charles Walker wrote: > On 11 August 2011 14:57, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >> On 11 August 2011 00:09, Elliott Hird >> wrote: >>> Agora cannot play BlogNomic without some construct in the rules >>> allowing it to; the only affect this will have is to spam the lists. >>> >> Well, obviously the game of agora, now an entity capable of taking >> action within itself, couldn't really do such a thing. What is my duty >> though, is to arrange for there to be a player named Agora in >> BlogNomic that acts out the will of the Agoran community. Mostly >> because this is the only possible way to enact my rules-imposed duty >> as ambassador. To start with, I intend to play the game on behalf of >> Agora, seeing as I was elected Ambassador. If this raises any >> discussion about how Agora should act in BlogNomic, we'll have to come >> up with some mechanism for deciding what actions I, on behalf of >> Agora, should take. > > I believe that I proposed allowing players to act on Agora's behalf > with Agoran Consent, but I'm not sure what happened to that. This > would be useful for you to get Agora to join BlogNomic, but it would > hardly be easy to play BlogNomic waiting for Agoran Consent for every > single action. > > > -- > Charles Walker > A special case may be necessary, whereby Agoran Consent with respect to BlogNomic is taken with 24 hours to give support or objection.
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
On 11 August 2011 14:57, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > On 11 August 2011 00:09, Elliott Hird wrote: >> Agora cannot play BlogNomic without some construct in the rules >> allowing it to; the only affect this will have is to spam the lists. >> > Well, obviously the game of agora, now an entity capable of taking > action within itself, couldn't really do such a thing. What is my duty > though, is to arrange for there to be a player named Agora in > BlogNomic that acts out the will of the Agoran community. Mostly > because this is the only possible way to enact my rules-imposed duty > as ambassador. To start with, I intend to play the game on behalf of > Agora, seeing as I was elected Ambassador. If this raises any > discussion about how Agora should act in BlogNomic, we'll have to come > up with some mechanism for deciding what actions I, on behalf of > Agora, should take. I believe that I proposed allowing players to act on Agora's behalf with Agoran Consent, but I'm not sure what happened to that. This would be useful for you to get Agora to join BlogNomic, but it would hardly be easy to play BlogNomic waiting for Agoran Consent for every single action. -- Charles Walker
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
On 11 August 2011 00:09, Elliott Hird wrote: > Agora cannot play BlogNomic without some construct in the rules > allowing it to; the only affect this will have is to spam the lists. > Well, obviously the game of agora, now an entity capable of taking action within itself, couldn't really do such a thing. What is my duty though, is to arrange for there to be a player named Agora in BlogNomic that acts out the will of the Agoran community. Mostly because this is the only possible way to enact my rules-imposed duty as ambassador. To start with, I intend to play the game on behalf of Agora, seeing as I was elected Ambassador. If this raises any discussion about how Agora should act in BlogNomic, we'll have to come up with some mechanism for deciding what actions I, on behalf of Agora, should take. /Tiger
Re: DIS: Failed entry into BlogNomic
Agora cannot play BlogNomic without some construct in the rules allowing it to; the only affect this will have is to spam the lists.
