Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
> I officially declare that all fractional and decimal bids placed on this auction DID NOT HAPPEN. What fractional and decimal bids? What are you talking about? On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:17 PM Reuben Staley via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 2020-07-07 11:13, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 7/7/20 12:01 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > >> I bid 35.0001 coins > > > > > > I may have started this, but it doesn't actually work. > > > > Rule 2509 says: > > > >>A "number" is considered to refer to a real number, unless > >>otherwise explicitly specified. A "number of (items)", where > >>(items) is a set of discrete entities, is considered to refer to > a > >>non-negative integer, unless otherwise explicitly specified. > > > > > > The auction method says: > > > >> 2. BIDDING: > >> * Players CAN place a bid on an open auction by specifying an amount > >> of the auction's currency as eir bid not equal to any bid on that > >> auction. >* Players CAN withdraw from an open auction by > announcement. > > > > > > "amount" is close enough to number that I think the rules would force it > > to be a non-negative integer. This means that all of the fractional bids > > were INEFFECTIVE. > > Utilizing my MYSTICAL AND ARCANE AUCTIONEER JURISDICTION POWERS, I > officially declare that all fractional and decimal bids placed on this > auction DID NOT HAPPEN. > > (to a-b to make it official ofc) > > -- > Trigon > > I LOVE SPAGHETTI > transfer Jason one coin > nch was here > I hereby > don't... trust... the dragon... > don't... trust... the dragon... > Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
On 7/7/2020 9:28 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-07-07 10:23, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/7/2020 9:12 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 2020-07-07 10:08, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/7/20 12:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-07-07 10:01, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> I bid 35.0001 coins > This is funny and all, but I should probably mention that fractional and > decimal bids are likely unpayable since the auction logic I'm using > require fee-based actions to claim prizes, and assets can only be paid > in whole number increments. Don't think it's illegal to place these > bids, though, so there's nothing stopping you, I guess. > Rule 2579: > If the fee is a non-integer quantity of a fungible asset, the > actual fee is the next highest integer amount of that asset. >>> >>> Ah, never mind then. Still, this is just a very roundabout way of saying >>> 36 coins. >> >> Not exactly. >> >> For the final fee, sure it will be 36. >> >> But since your bidding reg includes "as eir bid not equal to any bid on >> that auction." this is a way to place multiple unequal bids that all come >> out to paying 36. > > Yeah, I realized that as well. For some reason, the possibility of > fractional bids didn't even come to my mind. > ^ evidence that it's not a part of the common definition/understanding of how auctions work!
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
On 7/7/2020 9:23 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 7/7/2020 9:12 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2020-07-07 10:08, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 7/7/20 12:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-07 10:01, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I bid 35.0001 coins This is funny and all, but I should probably mention that fractional and decimal bids are likely unpayable since the auction logic I'm using require fee-based actions to claim prizes, and assets can only be paid in whole number increments. Don't think it's illegal to place these bids, though, so there's nothing stopping you, I guess. >>> >>> Rule 2579: >>> If the fee is a non-integer quantity of a fungible asset, the actual fee is the next highest integer amount of that asset. >> >> Ah, never mind then. Still, this is just a very roundabout way of saying >> 36 coins. > > Not exactly. > > For the final fee, sure it will be 36. > > But since your bidding reg includes "as eir bid not equal to any bid on > that auction." this is a way to place multiple unequal bids that all come > out to paying 36. Actually I take that back, those bids might just fail. * Players CAN place a bid on an open auction by specifying an amount of the auction's currency as eir bid not equal to any bid on that auction. My memory is that we have something on the cfj books where "amount of a currency" is inherently in the units of that currency and excludes numbers outside of that? Is "common sense" here that they fail (because it's not an amount of an actual currency) or that they round up and thus loophole the unique bid part? I think "fail", personally. Minimum bid increments are a thing in "common auction definitions" and if the regs don't specify a minimum increment, 1 currency unit is a reasonable understanding. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
On 2020-07-07 10:23, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/7/2020 9:12 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-07 10:08, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/7/20 12:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-07 10:01, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 35.0001 coins This is funny and all, but I should probably mention that fractional and decimal bids are likely unpayable since the auction logic I'm using require fee-based actions to claim prizes, and assets can only be paid in whole number increments. Don't think it's illegal to place these bids, though, so there's nothing stopping you, I guess. Rule 2579: If the fee is a non-integer quantity of a fungible asset, the actual fee is the next highest integer amount of that asset. Ah, never mind then. Still, this is just a very roundabout way of saying 36 coins. Not exactly. For the final fee, sure it will be 36. But since your bidding reg includes "as eir bid not equal to any bid on that auction." this is a way to place multiple unequal bids that all come out to paying 36. Yeah, I realized that as well. For some reason, the possibility of fractional bids didn't even come to my mind. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
On 7/7/2020 9:12 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-07-07 10:08, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/7/20 12:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 2020-07-07 10:01, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 35.0001 coins >>> This is funny and all, but I should probably mention that fractional and >>> decimal bids are likely unpayable since the auction logic I'm using >>> require fee-based actions to claim prizes, and assets can only be paid >>> in whole number increments. Don't think it's illegal to place these >>> bids, though, so there's nothing stopping you, I guess. >>> >> >> Rule 2579: >> >>>If the fee is a non-integer quantity of a fungible asset, the >>>actual fee is the next highest integer amount of that asset. > > Ah, never mind then. Still, this is just a very roundabout way of saying > 36 coins. Not exactly. For the final fee, sure it will be 36. But since your bidding reg includes "as eir bid not equal to any bid on that auction." this is a way to place multiple unequal bids that all come out to paying 36. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
On 2020-07-07 10:08, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/7/20 12:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-07 10:01, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 35.0001 coins This is funny and all, but I should probably mention that fractional and decimal bids are likely unpayable since the auction logic I'm using require fee-based actions to claim prizes, and assets can only be paid in whole number increments. Don't think it's illegal to place these bids, though, so there's nothing stopping you, I guess. Rule 2579: If the fee is a non-integer quantity of a fungible asset, the actual fee is the next highest integer amount of that asset. Ah, never mind then. Still, this is just a very roundabout way of saying 36 coins. (Also, the fact that you were able to find that clause and cite it in ninety seconds is absolutely hilarious for some reason. Rulekeepors, man.) -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
On 7/7/20 12:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-07-07 10:01, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> I bid 35.0001 coins > This is funny and all, but I should probably mention that fractional and > decimal bids are likely unpayable since the auction logic I'm using > require fee-based actions to claim prizes, and assets can only be paid > in whole number increments. Don't think it's illegal to place these > bids, though, so there's nothing stopping you, I guess. > Rule 2579: > If the fee is a non-integer quantity of a fungible asset, the > actual fee is the next highest integer amount of that asset. -- Jason Cobb
