Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Thank you to all who have responded. Perhaps I should have given more context to my questions. In my mind, the best situation to record a meeting is when one can access the sound system directly as somebody mentioned. Ideally, one would have their own separate microphone to mix with the input from the sound system to pick up questions from the audience. If one can't access the sound system, attaching a small microphone directly to the stand that holds the sound system's microphone has often been a good strategy. However, recent trends can make this kind of arrangement harder to achieve. For one thing, often there is no microphone stand with a main microphone, being replaced by wireless microphones. Sometimes, sound systems are all contained within a single cabinet along with the speaker and it may be brought into the meeting room just before the meeting starts. I have found that sometimes, just placing a microphone on the table at which speakers are sitting can work well, but sometimes that arrangement picks up a good bit of room echo from the sound system itself. In that situation, a cardioide pattern would probably help. I have just been trying to think of other methods that might work as alternatives in difficult situations. Although we would never have considered this years back, picking up the audio from the speaker can be a reasonably good approach with a good microphone and a full range speaker as somebody else suggested. While I am familiar with cardioide patterns, I have never had any experience with a shot gun type of microphone. I understand older designs were fairly long and don't know if there are newer designs that might achieve some success with electronic noise cancelling technologies, which is the reason for my questions. Clearly, if one were to use a shot gun style of microphone, one would have to monitor continuously, as Tim suggests. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 9:30 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: > A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be > dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that > means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics > hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. > > On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: >> Hello, >> >> A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will >> give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. >> Unless the mics are very expensive. >> >> The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns >> that may meet the criteria as expressed. >> >> The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the >> money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. >> If all participants are co-operative. >> >> Gena >>> On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Steve. >>> It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you >>> mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If >>> you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun >>> microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on >>> the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and >>> forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. >>> Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use >>> headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. >>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional >>>> microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I >>>> know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a >>>> speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing >>>> feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better >>>> pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any >>>> thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> S
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Hello, It looks like any other mic. Such mics as the Blue Yeti up to U87 are multiple pattern mics and you just operate a switch. From my understanding a figure of 8 is not a studio microphone. Figure of 8 would be used in meetings and interviewing situations. Which I think is the environment that the original questioner was writing about. Gena > On 24 Sep 2019, at 04:02, Hamit Campos wrote: > > What's a figure 8 mic look like? I keep hearing they hear from the frunt and > back. What's that mean? So hear's what I emagin. Something like an SM58 but > as well as hearing you at the front end like the 58 it heard you even if > you're talking at the XLR end of it. Sorry if this isn't too clear but again > I've not used a true figure 8. Only the H6's little mid side ball. But not a > true studio figure 8 capable mic. Well I guess my question might be hard to > answer as I guess it depends on what company made the mic and what said mic > looks like. Also I ask because I was talking to someone and I said that I > figure that the human ear drum if compaired to mics would I suspect be omni > patterned. Than in replay to that comment someone figured they'd be figure 8. > But again if figure 8 mics work as I suspect from what people say about them > that doesn't add up. Because why than do you hear things in front of your > head and right in back? Figure 8 would be a strange pattern. > > On 9/23/2019 10:30 PM, tim cumings wrote: >> I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the audience >> and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight microphone picks up >> equally from the front and the back of the mic, so it would pick up the >> audience as well as the people on stage. You probably want a pair of >> cardioid or shotgun microphones. >> >> >> On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be >>> dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that means >>> he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics hear. So >>> SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. >>> >>> On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns that may meet the criteria as expressed. The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. If all participants are co-operative. Gena > On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: > > Hi, Steve. > It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a > standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you > meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, > it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since > you would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio > from all the speakers. > Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones > to insure you are getting the best possible recording. >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson >> wrote: >> >> Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to >> record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are >> directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked >> up at a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am >> interested in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the >> first row in the audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is >> practical would also be of interest. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> >> >> > > > Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2870): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2870 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Hello, The question is vague and I am surprised that the author hasn’t offered any clarification. The author Steve dismissed cardioid then wrote: >> but I am interested in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the >> first row in the audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical >> would also be of interest I am unsure if the speaker in addition to the first row of the audience is desired. Hence why I said a figure of 8 may be the solution. As the author dismissed cardioid. Gena > On 24 Sep 2019, at 03:30, tim cumings wrote: > > I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the audience > and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight microphone picks up > equally from the front and the back of the mic, so it would pick up the > audience as well as the people on stage. You probably want a pair of > cardioid or shotgun microphones. > > > On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be >> dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that means he's >> pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics hear. So SE-7s >> would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. >> >> On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will give >>> the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. Unless the >>> mics are very expensive. >>> >>> The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns that may >>> meet the criteria as expressed. >>> >>> The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the money >>> available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. If all >>> participants are co-operative. >>> >>> Gena On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: Hi, Steve. It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. > On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson > wrote: > > Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to > record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are > directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked up > at a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am > interested in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the first > row in the audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical would > also be of interest. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > > > >>> Gena >>> >>> Call: M0EBP >>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>> Loc: IO83PS >>> 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2869): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2869 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Right yeah like in mid side. Thanks. By the way on this note and maybe we should re-name the thread or start a new 1 have you done true mid side? I don't know if you have heard the H6's mid side ball or if you have an H6 but I am curious as to how true the H6's rendition of mid side is. Because my only experience with mid side is a little clip of rain Neal Ewers recorded with his Sound Devices 744-T and some Shoeps mics. But that was just rain. So nothing panning left ro right like a car going buy or anything. On 9/24/2019 12:20 AM, frank cuta wrote: Of course they do hear equally from the front and back but usually they are what is called a "side addressed" mic in that the xlr connector sticks out of the top or bottom and technically they pick up equally from both sides. It is not generally a best choice except when used with another directional element to pick up from the front. Frank -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 8:03 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones What's a figure 8 mic look like? I keep hearing they hear from the frunt and back. What's that mean? So hear's what I emagin. Something like an SM58 but as well as hearing you at the front end like the 58 it heard you even if you're talking at the XLR end of it. Sorry if this isn't too clear but again I've not used a true figure 8. Only the H6's little mid side ball. But not a true studio figure 8 capable mic. Well I guess my question might be hard to answer as I guess it depends on what company made the mic and what said mic looks like. Also I ask because I was talking to someone and I said that I figure that the human ear drum if compaired to mics would I suspect be omni patterned. Than in replay to that comment someone figured they'd be figure 8. But again if figure 8 mics work as I suspect from what people say about them that doesn't add up. Because why than do you hear things in front of your head and right in back? Figure 8 would be a strange pattern. On 9/23/2019 10:30 PM, tim cumings wrote: I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns that may meet the criteria as expressed. The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. If all participants are co-operative. Gena On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: Hi, Steve. It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. Best regards, Steve Jacobson Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2868): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2868 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Of course they do hear equally from the front and back but usually they are what is called a "side addressed" mic in that the xlr connector sticks out of the top or bottom and technically they pick up equally from both sides. It is not generally a best choice except when used with another directional element to pick up from the front. Frank -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 8:03 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones What's a figure 8 mic look like? I keep hearing they hear from the frunt and back. What's that mean? So hear's what I emagin. Something like an SM58 but as well as hearing you at the front end like the 58 it heard you even if you're talking at the XLR end of it. Sorry if this isn't too clear but again I've not used a true figure 8. Only the H6's little mid side ball. But not a true studio figure 8 capable mic. Well I guess my question might be hard to answer as I guess it depends on what company made the mic and what said mic looks like. Also I ask because I was talking to someone and I said that I figure that the human ear drum if compaired to mics would I suspect be omni patterned. Than in replay to that comment someone figured they'd be figure 8. But again if figure 8 mics work as I suspect from what people say about them that doesn't add up. Because why than do you hear things in front of your head and right in back? Figure 8 would be a strange pattern. On 9/23/2019 10:30 PM, tim cumings wrote: > I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the > audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight > microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so > it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You > probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. > > > On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be >> dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that >> means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics >> hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. >> >> On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker >>> will give the best results but there is going to be some handling >>> noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. >>> >>> The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns >>> that may meet the criteria as expressed. >>> >>> The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the >>> money available. In addition to the events structure and location. >>> If all participants are co-operative. >>> >>> Gena >>>> On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Steve. >>>> It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you >>>> mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. >>>> If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun >>>> microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on >>>> the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and >>>> forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. >>>> Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use >>>> headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. >>>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional >>>>> microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? >>>>> I know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a >>>>> speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing >>>>> feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better >>>>> pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any >>>>> thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Gena >>> >>> Call: M0EBP >>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>> Loc: IO83PS >>> 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2862): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2862 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
I knew I was going to screw that up. Its 4 o'clock and 8 o'clock! (smile) -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of frank cuta Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 8:33 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones A true cardioid pattern has maximum rejection out the xlr end of the mic. However the 57 and 58 and most other stage mics are super cardioid. They offer more directivity at the cost of screwing up the perfect cardioid pattern so that the maximum rejection is about 60 degrees from the xlr connector or at about 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock Frank -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 8:03 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones What's a figure 8 mic look like? I keep hearing they hear from the frunt and back. What's that mean? So hear's what I emagin. Something like an SM58 but as well as hearing you at the front end like the 58 it heard you even if you're talking at the XLR end of it. Sorry if this isn't too clear but again I've not used a true figure 8. Only the H6's little mid side ball. But not a true studio figure 8 capable mic. Well I guess my question might be hard to answer as I guess it depends on what company made the mic and what said mic looks like. Also I ask because I was talking to someone and I said that I figure that the human ear drum if compaired to mics would I suspect be omni patterned. Than in replay to that comment someone figured they'd be figure 8. But again if figure 8 mics work as I suspect from what people say about them that doesn't add up. Because why than do you hear things in front of your head and right in back? Figure 8 would be a strange pattern. On 9/23/2019 10:30 PM, tim cumings wrote: > I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the > audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight > microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so > it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You > probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. > > > On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be >> dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that >> means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics >> hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. >> >> On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker >>> will give the best results but there is going to be some handling >>> noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. >>> >>> The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns >>> that may meet the criteria as expressed. >>> >>> The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the >>> money available. In addition to the events structure and location. >>> If all participants are co-operative. >>> >>> Gena >>>> On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Steve. >>>> It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you >>>> mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. >>>> If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun >>>> microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on >>>> the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and >>>> forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. >>>> Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use >>>> headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. >>>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional >>>>> microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? >>>>> I know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a >>>>> speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing >>>>> feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better >>>>> pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any >>>>> thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
A true cardioid pattern has maximum rejection out the xlr end of the mic. However the 57 and 58 and most other stage mics are super cardioid. They offer more directivity at the cost of screwing up the perfect cardioid pattern so that the maximum rejection is about 60 degrees from the xlr connector or at about 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock Frank -Original Message- From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 8:03 PM To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones What's a figure 8 mic look like? I keep hearing they hear from the frunt and back. What's that mean? So hear's what I emagin. Something like an SM58 but as well as hearing you at the front end like the 58 it heard you even if you're talking at the XLR end of it. Sorry if this isn't too clear but again I've not used a true figure 8. Only the H6's little mid side ball. But not a true studio figure 8 capable mic. Well I guess my question might be hard to answer as I guess it depends on what company made the mic and what said mic looks like. Also I ask because I was talking to someone and I said that I figure that the human ear drum if compaired to mics would I suspect be omni patterned. Than in replay to that comment someone figured they'd be figure 8. But again if figure 8 mics work as I suspect from what people say about them that doesn't add up. Because why than do you hear things in front of your head and right in back? Figure 8 would be a strange pattern. On 9/23/2019 10:30 PM, tim cumings wrote: > I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the > audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight > microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so > it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You > probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. > > > On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be >> dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that >> means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics >> hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. >> >> On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker >>> will give the best results but there is going to be some handling >>> noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. >>> >>> The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns >>> that may meet the criteria as expressed. >>> >>> The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the >>> money available. In addition to the events structure and location. >>> If all participants are co-operative. >>> >>> Gena >>>> On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Steve. >>>> It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you >>>> mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. >>>> If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun >>>> microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on >>>> the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and >>>> forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. >>>> Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use >>>> headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. >>>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional >>>>> microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? >>>>> I know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a >>>>> speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing >>>>> feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better >>>>> pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any >>>>> thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Gena >>> >>> Call: M0EBP >>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>> Loc: IO83PS >>> 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4855 / Virus Database: 4793/15883 - Release Date: 08/14/18 Internal Virus Database is out of date. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2860): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2860 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
What's a figure 8 mic look like? I keep hearing they hear from the frunt and back. What's that mean? So hear's what I emagin. Something like an SM58 but as well as hearing you at the front end like the 58 it heard you even if you're talking at the XLR end of it. Sorry if this isn't too clear but again I've not used a true figure 8. Only the H6's little mid side ball. But not a true studio figure 8 capable mic. Well I guess my question might be hard to answer as I guess it depends on what company made the mic and what said mic looks like. Also I ask because I was talking to someone and I said that I figure that the human ear drum if compaired to mics would I suspect be omni patterned. Than in replay to that comment someone figured they'd be figure 8. But again if figure 8 mics work as I suspect from what people say about them that doesn't add up. Because why than do you hear things in front of your head and right in back? Figure 8 would be a strange pattern. On 9/23/2019 10:30 PM, tim cumings wrote: I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns that may meet the criteria as expressed. The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. If all participants are co-operative. Gena On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: Hi, Steve. It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. Best regards, Steve Jacobson Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2859): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2859 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Kelly i think you have he right approach. > On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:48 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote: > > I use a dynamic microphone because I figure it is easier to choose one > rather than have many different kinds. My gear is going to be slung > around my neck and shoulders and travel on a city bus or train so I > can’t carry a lot of stuff, like people who drive. It is best to avoid > recording from a distance if you want a quality recording. If the > speaker will be on a public address system, work to get connected to > the sound board and record directly from there. When that is not > possible, I put my microphone right in front of the audio output box > and record the speaker output. > > If the person is not using audio amplification, I have a tripod > microphone stand with an extendable boom. I have both 25 foot and 50 > foot microphone cords. I can sit far away from the speaker and record > everything. I have been known to wear big over the ear headphones and > follow the speaker with my microphone stand when he walks away > slightly. I am told it looks a little weird in the room, but I am > after a good recording. > > Kelly > > > > > > href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon"; > target="_blank"> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"; > alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" > /> >Virus-free. href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link"; > target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com > > > height="1"> > >> On 9/23/19, tim cumings wrote: >> I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the >> audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight >> microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so >> it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You >> probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. >> >> >>> On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be >>> dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that >>> means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics >>> hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. >>> On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns that may meet the criteria as expressed. The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. If all participants are co-operative. Gena > On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: > > Hi, Steve. > It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you > mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If > you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun > microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on > the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and > forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. > Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use > headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson >> wrote: >> >> Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional >> microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I >> know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a >> speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing >> feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better >> pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any >> thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> >> >> > > > Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2858): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2858 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
I use a dynamic microphone because I figure it is easier to choose one rather than have many different kinds. My gear is going to be slung around my neck and shoulders and travel on a city bus or train so I can’t carry a lot of stuff, like people who drive. It is best to avoid recording from a distance if you want a quality recording. If the speaker will be on a public address system, work to get connected to the sound board and record directly from there. When that is not possible, I put my microphone right in front of the audio output box and record the speaker output. If the person is not using audio amplification, I have a tripod microphone stand with an extendable boom. I have both 25 foot and 50 foot microphone cords. I can sit far away from the speaker and record everything. I have been known to wear big over the ear headphones and follow the speaker with my microphone stand when he walks away slightly. I am told it looks a little weird in the room, but I am after a good recording. Kelly https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon"; target="_blank">https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"; alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /> Virus-free. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link"; target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com On 9/23/19, tim cumings wrote: > I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the > audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight > microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so > it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You > probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. > > > On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be >> dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that >> means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics >> hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. >> >> On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will >>> give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. >>> Unless the mics are very expensive. >>> >>> The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns >>> that may meet the criteria as expressed. >>> >>> The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the >>> money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. >>> If all participants are co-operative. >>> >>> Gena On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: Hi, Steve. It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. > On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson > wrote: > > Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional > microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I > know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a > speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing > feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better > pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any > thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > > > >>> Gena >>> >>> Call: M0EBP >>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>> Loc: IO83PS >>> 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2857): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2857 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
I would not recommend a figure 8 pattern if you are sitting in the audience and want to record the people on stage. A firugre eight microphone picks up equally from the front and the back of the mic, so it would pick up the audience as well as the people on stage. You probably want a pair of cardioid or shotgun microphones. On 9/23/2019 10:13 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns that may meet the criteria as expressed. The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. If all participants are co-operative. Gena On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: Hi, Steve. It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. Best regards, Steve Jacobson Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2856): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2856 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
A pair of Matched SE-7s should do. I was going to ask if it had to be dynamic or condencer but he says he'll be in the audiance so that means he's pretty far. No not realy but I'm not sure how far dynamics hear. So SE-7s would do. They're only $199 for a stereo matched pair. On 9/23/2019 6:54 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns that may meet the criteria as expressed. The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. If all participants are co-operative. Gena On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: Hi, Steve. It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. Best regards, Steve Jacobson Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2855): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2855 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Hello, A portable cardioid or shot-gun microphone taken by each speaker will give the best results but there is going to be some handling noise. Unless the mics are very expensive. The common terms are omni-directional and figure 8 polar patterns that may meet the criteria as expressed. The choice of microphone depends upon the quality desired and the money available. In addition to the event’s structure and location. If all participants are co-operative. Gena > On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:09, tim cumings wrote: > > Hi, Steve. > It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a > standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you > meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, it > might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since you > would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio from > all the speakers. > Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones to > insure you are getting the best possible recording. >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson >> wrote: >> >> Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to >> record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are >> directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked up at >> a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am interested >> in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the >> audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of >> interest. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> >> >> > > > > Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2853): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2853 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Hi, Steve. It depends what type of microphone you are talking about. If you mean a standard cardioid microphone, that might work fairly well. If you meansomething that is even more directional, like a shotgun microphone, it might be difficult if there are multiple speakers on the stage, since you would have to move the microphone back and forth to capture the audio from all the speakers. Also in this particular situation I would advise that you use headphones to insure you are getting the best possible recording. > On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Steve Jacobson > wrote: > > Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to > record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are > directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked up at > a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am interested in > being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the > audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of > interest. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2852): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2852 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
[all-audio] Uni-directional Microphones
Does anybody have experience with using a uni-directional microphone to record a presenter at a meeting from the audience? I know there are directional microphones that work well to allow a speaker to be picked up at a close range while suppressing feedback, for example, but I am interested in being able to better pick up a speaker from, say, the first row in the audience. Any thoughts on what degree this is practical would also be of interest. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#2850): https://groups.io/g/all-audio/message/2850 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/34264640/21656 Group Owner: all-audio+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/all-audio/leave/1074140/405281159/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
