[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2010-08-20 Thread sba
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User sba changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

Target milestone|OOo 3.3   |OOo 3.4





--- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Fri Aug 20 16:01:38 + 
2010 ---
Set target OOo 3.4

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2010-06-25 Thread mba
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What|Old value |New value

  Status|REOPENED  |RESOLVED

  Resolution|  |FIXED





--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 25 10:30:55 + 
2010 ---
It was decided to integrate the changes if all tests are passed, but not
activate the new writing direction in the user interface. So no additional
testing is required now.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-28 Thread sba
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User sba changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

Target milestone|OOo 3.2   |OOo 3.3





--- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 28 12:14:06 + 
2009 ---
Adjusting issue target to 3.2 because CWS mongolianlayout was shifted to target
OOo 3.2.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-17 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from ba...@openoffice.org Thu Sep 17 21:34:56 + 
2009 ---
Hi Od and Mba,
Thanks for your corrections and contributions!
Sorry for my dissipation. I was really busy for last 8 months and ill from
20.08.09 until now. (dorsal problem) I will look and support Oliver's
contributions as soon as possible.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-08 Thread mba
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User mba changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  Status|VERIFIED  |REOPENED

  Resolution|FIXED |





--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Tue Sep  8 14:25:57 + 
2009 ---
@badaa: I'm sorry, but there are too many problems left, I have reopened this
issue. Can you support Oliver?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-04 Thread od
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--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Fri Sep  4 13:22:44 + 
2009 ---
I have provided patches to solve found defects (4) and (3)+(5). I have also
commit these patches to cws mongolianlayout.
There may be some minor defects left in the object positioning and/or object
positioning dialog.
Please have a closer look.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-04 Thread od
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User od changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

 Attachment is patch|  |Created an attachment (id=
|  |64548)
adjustments to the 
|  |object positioning dialog






--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Fri Sep  4 13:19:11 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=64548)
adjustments to the object positioning dialog


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-04 Thread od
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--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Fri Sep  4 13:15:34 + 
2009 ---
adjustment to the object positioning dialog for Mongolian layout -changed files:
/sw/inc/fesh.hxx,
/sw/source/core/frmedt/fews.cxx,
/sw/source/ui/inc/frmpage.hxx, 
/sw/source/ui/inc/frmmgr.hxx,
/sw/source/ui/frmdlg/frmpage.cxx,
/sw/source/ui/frmdlg/frmmgr.cxx,
/sw/source/ui/docvw/edtwin.cxx,
/sw/source/ui/shells/drwbassh.cxx,
/sw/source/ui/uiview/viewtab.cxx,
rev. 275809

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-04 Thread od
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User od changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

 Attachment is patch|  |Created an attachment (id=
|  |64546)
changes to object p
|  |ositioning for Mongolian l
|  |ayout






--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Fri Sep  4 12:45:20 + 
2009 ---
Created an attachment (id=64546)
changes to object positioning for Mongolian layout


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-04 Thread od
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--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Fri Sep  4 12:43:17 + 
2009 ---
adjustment to the object positioning for Mongolian layout - changed files:
/sw/source/core/anchoredobjectposition.hxx,
/sw/source/core/objectpositioning/anchoredobjectposition.cxx,
/sw/source/core/objectpositioning/tocntntanchoredobjectposition.cxx,
/sw/source/core/objectpositioning/tolayoutanchoredobjectposition.cxx,
rev. 275804

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-04 Thread od
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--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Fri Sep  4 11:27:55 + 
2009 ---
Another defect I have found:
(6) When the relation between page size and zoom allows it to place several
pages beside each other in the view, the pages are arranged from right-to-left.
This has to be changed in the Mongolian layout (vertical left-to-right layout).

od->badaa: Please have a look.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-01 Thread od
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--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Tue Sep  1 10:26:49 + 
2009 ---
Further found defect:
(5) The dialog panes Menu Format - Frame/Object - pane Type and Format -  Object
- Position and Size - pane Position and Size does work correctly regarding the
minimum and maximum values for the vertical and horizontal positions.

I am also working on this defect together with (3)

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-01 Thread od
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User od changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'er,erdee,khirano,mba'|'er,erdee,khirano,mba,od'





--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Tue Sep  1 09:46:43 + 
2009 ---
CC myself

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-09-01 Thread od
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--- Additional comments from o...@openoffice.org Tue Sep  1 09:13:19 + 
2009 ---
Evaluation of the Mongolian layout in Writer reveals the following defects:
(1) "Spacing - Above paragraph" has to be applied on the left of the paragraph,
but it is applied on the right.
(2) "Spacing - Below paragraph" has to be applied on the right of the paragraph,
but it is applied on the right of the following paragraph.
(3) The dialog panes Menu Format - Frame/Object - pane Type and Format -  Object
- Position and Size - pane Position and Size does not show the correct alignment
strings for the horizontal positioning.
(4) The positioning of anchored objects (Writer text frames, Writer graphics,
Writer embedded objects, Drawing object and form controls) does not work 
correctly.

od->badaa:
I am correctly working on defects (3) and (4) and will hopefully attach the
corresponding patches to this issue. I will also commit the changes to CWS
mongolianlayout.
Could You please have a look at (1) and (2)?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-08-05 Thread sba
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User sba changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  Status|RESOLVED  |VERIFIED





--- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Wed Aug  5 16:41:05 + 
2009 ---
Verified in CWS mongolianlayout.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-06-19 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 19 10:16:57 + 
2009 ---
I made another code review and found some changes that I would like to discuss.
Let's do it one after another.

First: In SwCrsrShell::UpDown() code was added that reverted bUp eventually.
IMHO this is not the right place for this, all writing direction dependent code
should be where the cursor keys are handled, in the KeyInput method of the
EditWindow.
In the cursor shell "up" and "down" are only logical directions, means: for e.g.
traditional mongolian layout it means "left" and "right" on the screen.
Conversion from "phyical screen direction" to "logical direction" should be done
before calling this method, otherwise e.g. the TextCursor UNO API calls that
already use logical directions and forwards to SwCrshrShell:UpDown() wouldn't
work correctly.



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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-05-11 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from ba...@openoffice.org Tue May 12 01:52:42 + 
2009 ---
verified. It works at least like my local build. 
Thanks MBA!

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-05-07 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Thu May  7 10:15:31 + 
2009 ---
I have uploaded a new Linux build to the ftp server. Please give it a try. I
could also provide a new Windows build in a few hours, if necessary.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-05-02 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Sat May  2 21:36:16 + 
2009 ---
That's interesting. I applied the attached patch and fixed some merge conflicts.
The other patch in issue 91227 did not contain anything that wasn't already
present. Are you sure that your patch in issue 91227 (that might be the missing
piece) is correct and complete? Maybe it was a reversed patch and so it could
not be applied?

I will have a look at this patch again.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-04-28 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from ba...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 29 01:30:31 + 
2009 ---
Thanks mba! I got your builds and choosed linux tarballs to test. 
But I can't find in TTB LTR direction in format->page->text direction by
activating Enabled for complex text layout (CTL) from Enhanced language support
and with or without mongolian entry in Western for default language for document
section as well as in CTL none or something choosed. Bo success for all
combinations.
How should I activate simply the direction? :) 

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-04-28 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Tue Apr 28 21:20:28 + 
2009 ---
qa-upload now should be reachable, see

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/CWS_upload

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-04-27 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from ba...@openoffice.org Tue Apr 28 01:49:54 + 
2009 ---
Sorry for my too late reply. I was on vacation where the Internet connection is
very poor. qa-upload.services.openoffice.org had been down all day.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-04-06 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Mon Apr  6 16:40:45 + 
2009 ---
I have uploaded new builds. I didn't have any problems with installing or using
the uploaded Windows version, at least not with any of my documents.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-04-05 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Sun Apr  5 15:18:34 + 
2009 ---
All you have described sounds very strange. As I just created a new build based
on milestone m45 I will upload this one tomorrow. I don't have an idea what went
wrong.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-04-05 Thread khirano
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User khirano changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'er,erdee,mba'|'er,erdee,khirano,mba'





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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-04-05 Thread erdee
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--- Additional comments from er...@openoffice.org Sun Apr  5 12:54:48 + 
2009 ---
Sorry for not replying earlier.

I tried the Windows version, but it deleted my previous version when I installed
it even though I used setup.exe /a. Is there something else I should have done
to stop it deleting the old version?

It also made my computer VERY slow so I couldn't do much with it. This might be
my computer's fault; I'm not sure. (I will be upgrading my computer later this
month so I can try it again with the new one when I get it.)

It did run when I installed it, even though it was so slow. However, I was
expecting to be able to write vertical text (not necessarily Mongolian) from
left to right, and I couldn't. Have I misunderstood what this fix should do?



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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-04-03 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri Apr  3 15:52:09 + 
2009 ---
erdee/badaa:
can anyone of you verify that the build works for you? We would like to
integrate the CWS soon. 

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri Mar 13 16:36:31 + 
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I've uploaded a Windows installation set and a Linux tar to

qa-upload.services.openoffice.org 

in the folder "mongolianlayout". In case you install the Windows build next to
another OOo 3.x version please use "setup.exe /a".



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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Wed Mar 11 17:49:25 + 
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It's easy for Windows, you can just use "setup.exe /a" to create a parallel
installation. For Linux I could provide a tar.gz that does not need 
installation.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from er...@openoffice.org Wed Mar 11 17:25:10 + 
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Although people are trying to introduce Linux into Mongolia, I'd guess that over
90% still use Windows, so that's the most important platform to get working
initially. I can do some testing, provided it's possible to install the new
version in parallel to my existing copy of our Mongolian version of release 3.0
- I don't want to remove or change that because I use it every day. 

If having both versions installed in parallel is possible, is there anything I
particularly need to do when I install the new version in order to make sure
that my old version remains unchanged?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Tue Mar 10 11:48:52 + 
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I have builds now for all platforms. Our QA will do the regression testing, will
you be able to test if the build still is OK for your feature? For which
platform(s) do you need builds for testing?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-03-04 Thread mba
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  Status|NEW   |RESOLVED

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--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Wed Mar  4 16:21:32 + 
2009 ---
fixed in cws mongolianlayout

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2009-01-27 Thread mba
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What|Old value |New value

 Assigned to|ama   |mba

  Status|STARTED   |NEW

Target milestone|OOo 3.1   |OOo 3.2





--- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Tue Jan 27 15:15:32 + 
2009 ---
I'm very sorry, but we have not been able to apply a sufficient testing. The
patch is not trivial and needs quite some testing.
The plan now is to do the remaining QA as soon as the 3.1 release is done and
integrate the CWS into the 3.2 code line as early as possible.

Sorry again.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec  5 15:04:28 + 
2008 ---
Not really. We will now follow "Plan A" and then hope to get "Plan D" (script
type support) added later. Please understand that I can't predict in which
release we might get that fixed. But IMHO we should fix it in a not too distant
future. 

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-12-04 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec  4 20:04:25 + 
2008 ---
I thought that I started new issue for #desc7. It confused you and me, Sorry 
mba!
I agree with you 100%. We have to continue it as usual. So, I reset the target
of this issue to 3.1. Is it ok?
Why I choosed "Plan A" is:
1. Cyrillic is official language in Mongolia
2. We have also developed a mongolian cyrillic spellchecker which works really
nice and used everyday in Mongolia.
3. Currently* we don't have mongolian (traditional) spellchecker.

Is there any possibility to support mongolian cyrillic spellchecker in Plan B? 
;-)

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec  4 16:33:58 + 
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Now you are confusing me. I already have integrated the attached patch and we
need this issue to continue. "Plan A" was only about the missing locale support
and this is covered by issue 88665.

So if you are fine with what you had in your personal work space before you
created the patch, we can continue with the CWS. I will try to hand it over to
QA as soon as possible if you agree.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec  4 11:00:40 + 
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To cut a long story short, we should stay with Plan A. For that we don't have to
do any changes. Should I close now this issue or can we consider it for 3.X?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  3 13:42:18 + 
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No, even Plan C isn't possible. 

So we can do what I mentioned in my last comment: integrate the traditional
layout support, but without the ability to have linguistic support for it. 

The language attribute of the text will be incorrect, with the consequence that
spell checking is impossible and the break iterator will fall back to a default
behavior (AFAIK word breaks will be blanks only).



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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  3 13:06:29 + 
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Hi,
I am sorry for the late reply. I was ill.
How can we go on now? Can we follow Plan C until mongolian discrete locale
described?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec  1 12:23:54 + 
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Well, just to be exact:

> 1. No, there are no user definable language codes reserved in ISO 639.

This is not exactly true, ISO 639-3 reserves some codes for _local use_,
see http://sil.org/iso639-3/scope.asp#R

| Reserved for local use
| 
| Identifiers qaa through qtz are reserved for local use, to be used in
| cases in which there is no suitable existing code in ISO 639. There are
| no constraints as to scope of denotation. These identifiers may only be
| used locally, and may not be used in interchange without a private
| agreement.

Surely a distributed OpenOffice.org and documents created with it would
not meet the "private agreement" requirement.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec  1 12:03:30 + 
2008 ---
Note: I made this issue depend on issue 88665, as that is about adding
the ISO mapping and language list box entries. Further discussion about
the script type problematics should be carried over there to not clutter
this issue here.

@erdee:
Forget about the "language type" (Western, CTL, CJK), that is only some
arbitrarily (and IMHO badly) constructed classification introduced by
MS, in fact it should be called "CTL, CJK, Other" instead. The problem
is with the script types, and that currently multiple script types for
one language are not representable in the API, and storing them in the
file format is also not implemented yet.

To your points above:

1. No, there are no user definable language codes reserved in ISO 639.

2. A branch of OOo: you don't really want that. You especially don't
   want it to maintain. If you personally want to do that, including
   rebasing the branch to new master milestones to catch up with
   development on trunk, do the release handling, QA and everything else
   that is needed, then of course it would be a possibility.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-30 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 30 14:27:41 + 
2008 ---
Without going into details, IMHO we can have both Mongolian variants in OOo, we
just can have linguistic support only for one of them. 

Currently "Mongolian" is a "Western" language (cyrillic script). You can add the
spell checker for that language to OOo and it will work .

You can also add your traditional Mongolian support. In fact I already have
committed the attached patch into a CWS) and it should work (as good as in your
own builds). 

Users just can't set the language of the text to "Mongolian" and so no spell
checking is possible for text written with "Traditional Mongolian". This will
require the changes in OOo Eike and I tried to explain. So the request of badaa
in #desc7 can't be fulfilled in OOo 3.1.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-29 Thread erdee
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Nov 29 16:25:30 + 
2008 ---

OK, let me explain briefly our current status and why we'd like to find a
solution of some form in the short term rather than the longer term.

We have made a spell checker for the cyrillic form of Mongolian, and we've also
developed support for the traditional Mongolian script, including an Open Type
font with most of the rendering rules for determining the correct forms of the
letters in the words. These are currently built on top of OOo2.4, and, as far as
we are aware, there is no usable version of either of these things except ours.
We would therefore like to make both of these "officially" available as soon as
possible (i.e. before someone else implements the same things on another
platform ;-) ) to encourage as many Mongolian users as possible to use OOo. 


If I understand the discussion we've had so far correctly (and please correct me
if I don't), the situation currently is as follows:

1) there is a fixed list of "valid" languages, and we can only use languages
from that list.

2) each of the languages in the list has a fixed language type - Western, CTL,
or Asian.

3) we can have country variants of a language (e.g. mn-MN, etc.), but all of
these must have the same language type as the basic language.

4) if/when the "script" attribute of a language is implemented, it will be
possible for different scripts to have different language types.


Assuming all this is correct, the following 2 possibilities occur to me:

1) Is there some sort of "dummy"/"wildcard"/"other" language defined in the list
of languages? If so, we could temporarily use "other"-mn for the second version
of Mongolian. (Yes, I know this is a hack, but at least it would allow us to
include both forms of Mongolian now and I guess a lot of the work would be
reusable after the script attribute is implemented.)

2) Is it possible to make a branch in the development, and have one form of
Mongolian included in the official OOo3.1 and the other form included in an
unofficial version? (I'm thinking of branch points as in the CVS version control
system.) We could then develop the two scripts independently on the two branches
(i.e. one branch follows plan A and one branch follows plan B), and then merge
the branches when the script attribute is implemented. This is of course not
ideal for Mongolian users who want to use both scripts because they need both
versions of the system, but it's still better than only having support for one
script.







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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-27 Thread er
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 27 15:32:27 + 
2008 ---
As the css::lang::Locale struct corresponds to the java.util.Locale this
essentially boils down to how Java will handle script codes in future.
The current Language/Country/Variant fields were modeled after IETF RFC
1766. That has been superseded by IETF BCP47 (RFC 4646 and 4646bis and
related) language tags. There was a "Java Locale Enhancement Project"
initiated at OpenJDK, see
http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2008-October/001341.html
That mail in the quoted text at the bottom also includes valuable links.

Further references:
http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/announce/2008-November/63.html
http://openjdk.java.net/projects/locale-enhancement/

I'm eagerly awaiting the outcome. However, we cannot support different
script types for the same language as long as that issue isn't solved.
After that, conversion between MS-LangID and lang::Locale will have to
be adapted, handling inside i18npool to pass it down to ICU, and quite
some effort will have to go into storage of fo:script elements in ODF
(v1.2 will have that) respectively a RFC4646 fall-back where the
combination of fo:language, fo:script and fo:country is not sufficient.

I think this issue here should be retargeted to OOo3.x, doing so.

Thank you for being patient ;)

  Eike


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-27 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 27 14:09:04 + 
2008 ---

No, mn-TR is no valid ISO locale.

And this brings us to another problem that can make even "Plan C" impossible.

There is i18n-based functionality like our "break iterator" that is though to do
something with text, based on its "language" attribute, that we transport as UNO
struct com.sun.star.lang.Locale.

This struct does not allow to transport the script type and so e.g. the break
iterator is not able to distinguish between Mongolian text in cyrillic and
traditional layout. 

As the i18n code and even more the ICU that it uses for many purposes doesn't
know anything about configuration settings, I currently see no way to consider
additional information to make the wanted differentiation inside our i18n 
library.

So at the end we can have linguistic and other i18n support only for either the
cyrillic (Plan A) or the traditional (Plan B) variant.

cc'ing Eike, our expert for i18n stuff.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-26 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 26 17:10:33 + 
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It seems for me Plan D is most intelligent. But we don't have to fly in the
universe, so I would prefer Plan C to support two mongolian variants in OOo 3.1.
Because, in Mongolia used cyrillic script more common (also official script) and
as I want also to support mongolian traditional script in OOo. 
I hope that, Plan D must come on some day in future.
Is it really not possible to assign Mongolian (traditional) to mn_TR?
I have planned to implement traditional mongolian locale with this code and it
has been added to OOo build system. ( issue 88665 )

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-26 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 26 15:41:55 + 
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Some further explanation:

To treat text correctly, OOo must know which (ISO) language and which script
type is has. As OOo does not have script type support in the file format at the
moment, we have a fixed assignment language<->script type and this works in most
cases. We fail in all cases where an ISO locale is used with different script
types, like Mongolian or Serbian.

So the only correct and future-proof fix would be extending OOo's text
attributes to have language *and* script type. ODF 1.2 allows us to do so, but
the implementation will cost a lot of time. 

So my plans A-C describe how we should treat Mongolian in between: either keep
it "cyrillic always", "traditional always" or "either cyrillic or traditional on
a per document base".

BTW: I don't understand how you see conversions involved in my "plan D". But I
hope that now this plan becomes more clear.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-26 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 26 15:32:47 + 
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Sorry, but I already explained why this is not possible at the moment: we can
differentiate between languages only if they have different ISO locales. This is
unfortunately not the case for Mongolian cyrillic/traditional.

And you seem to misunderstand "plan D". Plan D is to enable OOo for script type
support. This would enable it support both Mongolian variants, even if they
share the ISO locale. Everything else than plan D is a hack.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-26 Thread erdee
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 26 15:03:51 + 
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The 2 variants of Mongolian are effectively different languages - the words in
traditional Mongolian and Cyrillic Mongolian have completely different spellings
and the rendering rules for the 2 variants are also completely different
(Mongolian Cyrillic follows basically the same rules as other Cyrillic scripts
whereas traditional Mongolian is more like Arabic, with the glyphs of the
letters changing form according to their position in the word, etc.).

So in my view the best solution is to treat Mongolian as 2 languages (plan E):
  language 1) traditional Mongolian; and 
  language 2) Mongolian Cyrillic.

Then Mongolian Cyrillic can be included in Western along with the other Cyrillic
variants; and traditional Mongolian can be included in CTL, alongside Arabic.

This also solves the problem of mixing the 2 variants of Mongolian in the same
document (assuming you can embed Western in CTL and vice versa), and the problem
of older documents written in Cyrillic.

And since plan E is basically a combination of A and B, presumably it should
also be fast and easy?


(BTW I don't think plan D works - it's not possible to define a transliteration
between the traditional and Cyrillic scripts; the words are actually different,
and you can't just change from one to the other by just changing the script.)

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-26 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 26 08:02:34 + 
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> Please define like that:
> < "Mongolian (cyrillic)" ; LANGUAGE_MONGOLIAN ; > ;
> < "Mongolian (traditional)" ; LANGUAGE_MONGOLIAN_MONGOLIAN ; > ;

Sorry, that was before I recognized the problem. We can have only one of them at
the moment anyway, so we can stay with "Mongolian".

>> There is a possible workaround. It will enable users to use either script 
>> type in their documents, but not both Mongolian and Mongolian(cyrillic) in 
>> the same document.
>
> Most probably, mongolian users want to use just mixed. What do you mean with
> "script type"? (is it cyrillic and traditional?)

Using mixed is not possible in the current OOo version as we don't have a
"script type" attribute for text, only "language" and OOo uses a fixed
assignment of language to script type. And "script type" in OOo currently only
can have three values: "asian", "CTL" and "Western", and the latter is just
everything that does not fit into the other categories. So "Western" also
contains all cyrillic variants also.

Currently "Mongolian" is assigned to "Western". We can keep it that way (plan A)
or we can move it to "CTL" (plan B). With some creative coding we can at least
make this assignment on a per-document basis, but inside a particular document
we have to assign "Mongolian" to either script type (plan C).

>> The only alternative I see is throwing our Mongolian(cyrillic) but this will
>> damage older documents written with that language and script type.
>
> How is it for new documents? I think, really few users have created documents
> with Mongolian (cyrillic). Could users use both script types?

My suggestion here would be plan B: assign "Mongolian" to "CTL". If users had
created a document with mongolian text, this text now magically would become CTL
text. What this would mean exactly for the way how OOo treats this document has
to be figured out. Most probably the spell checking won't work for mongolian
text with cyrillic layout.

In case of new documents they would automatically have the right language
assignment to the "CTL" section, but in older versions of OOo they would have
the same problem as the cyrillic ones in future versions. BTW: only with Plan A
we won't have this problem!

Plan A would mean: keep it like it is. Consequence is that most probably spell
checking won't work with mongolian documents in traditional layout.

With plan C (allow to assign "Mongolian" to either script type group) we could
avoid problems at least for future OOo versions if the whole document either
uses cyrillic or traditional layout.

"Plan D" would be implementing script type support in OOo. AFAIK this is
possible since ODF 1.2 and so basically doable. But the effort is high and
definitely not doable for OOo3.1. 

Does that answer your question so that you can tell me if we should go for plan
A, B or C? While "A" and "B" are done fast and easily, "C" would require some
additional coding.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-25 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 25 17:46:28 + 
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Please define like that:
< "Mongolian (cyrillic)" ; LANGUAGE_MONGOLIAN ; > ;
< "Mongolian (traditional)" ; LANGUAGE_MONGOLIAN_MONGOLIAN ; > ;

>There is a possible workaround. It will enable users to use either script type
>in their documents, but not both Mongolian and Mongolian(cyrillic) in the same
>document.
Most probably, mongolian users want to use just mixed. What do you mean with
"script type"? (is it cyrillic and traditional?)
>The only alternative I see is throwing our Mongolian(cyrillic) but this will
>damage older documents written with that language and script type.
How is it for new documents? I think, really few users have created documents
with Mongolian (cyrillic). Could users use both script types?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-25 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 25 14:28:18 + 
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I just learned something new, and I'm afraid that I have some bad news.

What I didn't know (and nobody from the team knew): in OOo we can only support
*either* Mongolian *or* Mongolian(cyrillic). The reason is that we don't have
real script support and the script type is derived from the "language attribute"
(should be "locale attribute") of the text.

Implementing script type support in OOo is a lot of work to do and will most
probably not happen before the OpenJava guys have defined how *they* will fix
this problem (they also have it). We want to stay "compatible" with them as our
UNO struct we use for transporting the relevant information is directly mapped
to the Java type in our Java-UNO binding.

There is a possible workaround. It will enable users to use either script type
in their documents, but not both Mongolian and Mongolian(cyrillic) in the same
document.

Before I go into the details - what do you think?

The only alternative I see is throwing our Mongolian(cyrillic) but this will
damage older documents written with that language and script type.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-25 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 25 11:43:57 + 
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I checked all relevant files; it seems that everything is there except a String
that shall be displayed in the list box. The file for this is 
svtools/source/misc/langtab.src.

Currently it contains 

< "Mongolian" ; LANGUAGE_MONGOLIAN ; > ;

AFAIK this is the cyrillic variant, so perhaps we should name that
"Mongolian(cyrillic)" and add the missing line, so that we have

< "Mongolian (cyrillic)" ; LANGUAGE_MONGOLIAN ; > ;
< "Mongolian" ; LANGUAGE_MONGOLIAN_MONGOLIAN ; > ;

This should be enough to see the string in the list box.

Of course if you want to stick with "Mongolian" for the cyrillic variant you can
choose a suitable string for LANGUAGE_MONGOLIAN_MONGOLIAN as you see fit.


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-25 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 25 11:33:26 + 
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Again, the entry name should not be "Mongolian" but "Mongolian script"

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-25 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 25 09:39:23 + 
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Exactly!

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-25 Thread mba
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 25 08:44:22 + 
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Do you mean the menu in "Tools-Options-LanguageSettings-CTL"?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-11-24 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 25 01:05:34 + 
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Oops, 
Today I became a bug via mn.openoffice.org. I forgot to add mongolian to the CTL
menu. mba can you please complete it? Which procedures are related with this 
entry?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-10-30 Thread chkur
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 30 15:43:53 + 
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Does this patch solve http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 - 
vertical text in table cells? Is it good enough to be integrated in 3.1?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-09-08 Thread mba
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  CC|''|'mba'

  Issue type|ENHANCEMENT   |PATCH





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep  8 14:51:12 + 
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I applied the patch in CWS mongolianlayout. It will take some time to review and
perhaps improve the patch.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-07-01 Thread ama
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  Ever confirmed|  |1

  Status|UNCONFIRMED   |NEW

Target milestone|---   |OOo 3.1





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul  1 14:34:19 + 
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ama->badaa:
Thank you for your patch.
We will not be able to integrate it until July, 20th because we are right now in
a "stabilization mode" for OOo3.0. But when this is done and the code line for
OOo3.1 is opened (July/August I think) we will integrate your patch ASAP.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-07-01 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul  1 13:11:18 + 
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I upgrade priority to P2 due to Pavels msg.
http://l10n.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=9545
Is it possible to integrate it to SRC680 tree until 20 of July 2008?


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-06-30 Thread badaa
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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-06-30 Thread badaa
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 30 22:07:58 + 
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Created an attachment (id=54849)
Traditional mongolian support


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[sw-issues] [Issue 91226] Traditional mongolian supp ort

2008-06-30 Thread badaa
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 Issue #|91226
 Summary|Traditional mongolian support
   Component|Word processor
 Version|OOo 2.4.1 RC2
Platform|All
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|ENHANCEMENT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|code
 Assigned to|ama
 Reported by|badaa





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 30 22:04:58 + 
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Please support traditional mongolian writing direction which is written from top
to down and from left to right.
Here is the patch. If you have any questions, don't hesitate and contact me.

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