[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Thu Dec 17 23:32:04 + 2009 --- closed - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|STARTED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Thu Dec 17 23:31:49 + 2009 --- Thank you! :) - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 --- Additional comments from th...@openoffice.org Thu Dec 17 23:03:39 + 2009 --- @es: I agree. Please close as WONTFIX. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'ccheney,jbfaure' |'ccheney,es,jbfaure' --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Thu Dec 17 22:14:03 + 2009 --- I stumbled upon this issue again... The point on the UX list was that we exceptionally have - thanks usage tracking - an idea of what "the users" do without *pretending* knowing with black magic what they do. Once you admit - an you'll have to because it's not an opinion but it's a fact - that there is much more use of the the Stylist than of the full screen, I ask myself what can be the impact of removing the shortcut of a well known function to give it to an unused function... I do understand the need of consistency and so on but in this case this change would be blind bureaucracy: fulfilling system requirements ignoring users requirements. Please forget this idea. Plus if you stay by the proposal on comment desc3, it's wrong: F4 in Writer is used for the database browser. Maybe your system catches F4 somewhere... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 --- Additional comments from th...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 17:50:53 + 2009 --- @ccheny, others, I am not actively working on the jigsaw puzzle. Feel free to do so in order to work out a complete suggestion. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 --- Additional comments from th...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 17:40:26 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=64649) Zip file including python script and results of parsing 3.0 short cuts - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 --- Additional comments from th...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 17:38:41 + 2009 --- thing wrote Wed Aug 12 16:37:45 + 2009: "Complete suggestion for shortcuts changes in Writer, Calc and Impress/Draw are as follows:" Now, this is not the complete suggestion since ctrl and shift modifications of F11 offer related functionality. These have to be remapped as well. To assist me in the jigsaw puzzle of short cut keys I wrote a python script in order to create a spreadsheet with all the short cuts across modules. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 --- Additional comments from cche...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 17:19:36 + 2009 --- I read the posting on the ux list (didn't follow up myself) and it seems the people on the list don't seem to get the point of consistent keybindings on a system. They apparently don't want to have F11 be fullscreen because people don't use it much, even though that is the standard keybinding for fullscreen on essentially every platform. Ugh. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 --- Additional comments from cche...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 17:12:14 + 2009 --- As noted in the wikipedia article apparently Windows also uses F11 for fullscreen so even though it might require some reworking on keybindings in general it would probably be a good idea to do it, so that OOo works like other apps on both Windows and Gnome. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 User ccheney changed the following: What|Old value |New value URL| |https://launchpad.net/bugs | |/387562 --- Additional comments from cche...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 9 17:04:45 + 2009 --- While trying to implement this for Ubuntu it became clear this is much more complicated to do. F11 is currently the style key, meaning all modifiers are used for various style functions, and moving it would be somewhat more complicated than is noted in the comment above. The same goes for group/ungroup in Draw. It would still be a good thing to do but might be to invasive to actually accomplish. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 User ccheney changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'jbfaure' |'ccheney,jbfaure' --- Additional comments from cche...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 8 18:34:43 + 2009 --- Has any further progress been made on this bug? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 --- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Wed Aug 12 19:43:34 + 2009 --- I get the point of having F11 for full screen also for styles and formating. I think this would be a great improvement for OOo. I read ES reasoning but I dont think this is very relevant for the general user experience since more users want to see a shorter keystrokes (1 or 2 keys) as opposed to 3 keys (ctrl-shift-j) for something as trivial and well used as a full screen option. This would be similar to what Impress has for running a presentation. I would move on the conversation to identify the code that handles shortcut and learn how a patch can be created. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 User thing changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|NEW |STARTED --- Additional comments from th...@openoffice.org Wed Aug 12 16:37:45 + 2009 --- @es: Thanks for your feedback and your approach to this. I understand the issues you raise. I don't think it is a paradox to - when appropriate - align OOo's keyboard shortcuts to shortcuts or combinations that has developed into a de facto standard. E.g. CTRL+C and CTRL+V and to a lesser extent F11. Complete suggestion for shortcuts changes in Writer, Calc and Impress/Draw are as follows: Writer before: F4 = [unused] F11 = Styles and Formatting F12 = Numbering On/Off Writer after: F4 = Numbering On/Off F11 = Full screen F12 = Styles and Formatting Calc before: F3 = [unused] F11 = Styles and Formatting F12 = Grouping Calc after: F3 = Grouping F11 = Full screen F12 = Styles and Formatting Impress/Draw before: F11 = Styles and Formatting F12 = [unused] Impress/Draw after: F11 = [unused] F12 = Styles and Formatting I will advise disc...@ux.openoffice.org - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value Assigned to|uineedsconfirm|thing --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 10 01:15:06 + 2009 --- @thing: I do understand you want to follow the trend but... - Our *default* shortcuts have moved over the years to follow both OS/WM standards AND internal (OOo) consistency. This point is in itself a big challenge, quite a paradox... Meaning: you want the same shortcuts in OOo across OS AND shortcuts which are compliant with the OS while OSs don't comply between each other... as you say: "the rationale is to support both native and cross platform use of OOo" (=paradox), so what should we do? - when someone wants a different *default* shortcut, we usually say "Tools - Customize - Keyboard - 'do it yourself'", why? Because our defaults are a fragile edifice which *tries* to be consistent inside of OOo (Calc, Writer...), with the current OS AND across the OS. So we will NEVER make everybody happy while changing our default because an other OOo App, an other OS needs *this* shortcut for something else... Do you get the dilemma? Well, now I guess you will get it: - you proposed to re-map F11 to F12. Fine! But - as you said - you have no alternative for F12 (which is "Numbering/Bullets" in Writer and "Group Row/Column" in Calc, both shortcuts which are, I think, VERY used in both apps since years). I do understand what you mean but what I stated above should make you think about "is the default shortcut implementation I proposed worth the effort?". You are right, it's worth thinking about it but not worth WE (core developers, UX, QA) think about it right now. So, instead of closing this issue as WONTFIX (meaning: it's too "peanuts" to be done) or reassigning to the endless pile of REQUIREMENTS, I will reassign it back to you with the requirements to: 1) Find unused shortcuts for F12 in Calc and Writer which are the same for both applications AND don't collide with existing shortcuts. 2) Those shortcuts should avoid Ctrl+(Shift)+Letter which are most of the time *localized* or should adapt to the different localizations... Have fun! >;) Last advices: once you have found suiting shortcuts fulfilling all those requirements, please explain your needs & findings on disc...@ux.openoffice.org. There you will get attention and more proposals and can start a team in order to move the things forward. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 User jbfaure changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|''|'jbfaure' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[ui-issues] [Issue 104109] Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to F12 and Fullscre en to F11
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104109 Issue #|104109 Summary|Change keyboard shortcuts for Styles and Formatting to | F12 and Fullscreen to F11 Component|ui Version|OOo 3.0.1 Platform|All URL| OS/Version|All Status|NEW Status whiteboard| Keywords| Resolution| Issue type|ENHANCEMENT Priority|P3 Subcomponent|code Assigned to|uineedsconfirm Reported by|thing --- Additional comments from th...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 8 19:36:19 + 2009 --- According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_keyboard_shortcuts F11 is on most systems (including GNOME Ubuntu) the shortcut for fullscreen mode. E.g. Firefox uses F11 for fullscreen cross platforms. Now, Ubuntu considers changing the shortcut for F11 to Fullscreen in OOo on Ubuntu. See https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387562 IMHO this is a bad (typical downstrem) approach for seeking a consistent user experience. Instead, I suggest that OOo changes the keyboard shortcut for the Styles and Formatting dialog from F11 to F12 and changes the (in Writer and Calc) existing keyboard shortcut for Fullscreen mode from Ctrl+Shift+J to F11. The existing shortcuts for F12 in Writer and Calc must be changed. I have no suggestions for these 2 at the moment. I know changing shortcut for Styles and Formatting affects many users. However, the rationale is to support both native and cross platform use of OOo by adjusting to existing global shortcuts. I can create patches if and when the change is accepted. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@ui.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@ui.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
