RE: Tape order
Jean-Louis,
It seem that "amadmin config tape" figures out the order of the new tapes,
while amcheck, and I assume amdump, seems to use the tape in the first
available slot. Just a guess.
I already have a script that will look for unlabeled tapes and label, and I
have modified the script to sorts the tapes into the ascending slots in
ascending order after they are labeled.
This should resolve my problem.
Thanks
Robert
> -Original Message-
> From: Jean-Louis Martineau [mailto:martin...@zmanda.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:22 PM
> To: McGraw, Robert P
> Cc: 'amanda-users@amanda.org'
> Subject: Re: Tape order
>
>
> % amadmin archive tape
> The next Amanda run should go onto 6 new tapes.
> The next 6 new tapes already labelled are: A00221, A00222, A00224,
> A00225, A00226, A00223
>
> Ha, they are new tapes, there is no order for new tape, amanda use the
> first one.
> Put them in the changer in the oreder you want them to be used.
>
> Jean-Louis
>
>
> On 07/07/2011 04:39 PM, McGraw, Robert P wrote:
> > I usually do that just sliped my mind.
> >
> > My setup is
> >
> > I am running Amanda-3.2.3 on a Solaris 10 X86 host and I have changer
> defined as
> >
> > define changer "c4" {
> >tpchanger "chg-robot:/dev/changer/0"
> >changerfile "chg-zd-mtx-state"
> >property "tape-device" "0=tape:/dev/rmt/0cbn"
> >property "eject-before-unload" "true"
> >property "eject-delay" "10"
> >property "unload-delay" "10"
> >property "use-slots" "31-36"
> >property "load-poll" "0s poll 5s until 120s"
> >device-property "BLOCK_SIZE" "1024k"
> >device-property "LEOM" "true"
> > }
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Jean-Louis Martineau [mailto:martin...@zmanda.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:20 PM
> >> To: McGraw, Robert P
> >> Cc: 'amanda-users@amanda.org'
> >> Subject: Re: Tape order
> >>
> >>
> >> Always post which amanda release you are using!
> >>
> >> Try chg-robot for your changer.
> >>
> >> Jean-Louis
> >>
> >> On 07/07/2011 02:21 PM, McGraw, Robert P wrote:
> >>> I am trying to determine what tape order amanda uses when requesting a
> >> reuse tape.
> >>> My amanda.conf is configured to use slots 31-36 for my archive tapes.
> >> These slots contain the following tapes.
> >>> Storage Element 31:Full :VolumeTag=A00224L2
> >>> Storage Element 32:Full :VolumeTag=A00225L2
> >>> Storage Element 33:Full :VolumeTag=A00226L2
> >>> Storage Element 34:Full :VolumeTag=A00221L2
> >>> Storage Element 35:Full :VolumeTag=A00222L2
> >>> Storage Element 36:Full :VolumeTag=A00223L2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> When I run "amadmin archive tape" I get this order list.
> >>>
> >>> % amadmin archive tape
> >>> The next Amanda run should go onto 6 new tapes.
> >>> The next 6 new tapes already labelled are: A00221, A00222, A00224,
> >> A00225, A00226, A00223
> >>> When I run "amcheck -s archive" I get the following:
> >>>
> >>> % amcheck -s archive
> >>> Amanda Tape Server Host Check
> >>> -
> >>> Holding disk /zvol/amanda/holdingdisk/archive: 1918267 MB disk space
> >> available, using 921600 MB as requested
> >>> slot ?: slot 13 not in use-slots (31-36)
> >>> slot 31: volume 'A00224'
> >>> Will write to volume 'A00224' in slot 31.
> >>> NOTE: skipping tape-writable test
> >>> Server check took 42.518 seconds
> >>>
> >>> For my archive run slot 31 is the first slot used by my archive run
> that
> >> has a reuse tape.
> >>> I would really like to have my archive tape in the sequential order
> such
> >> as A00221, A00222, A00224, A00225, A00226, A00223, but amcheck tell me
> >> that it will start with what every tape is in slot 31, which happens to
> be
> >> A00224 and will use tapes in slot 31-36.
> >>> Why the difference between the two command.?
> >> amadmin list the order in which the tape should be used.
> >> amcheck list the first tape it will use, it is your responsibility to
> >> but the tape you want in the correct slot
> >> chg-zd-mtx do not use the barcode, that's why the fiorst slot is always
> >> used.
> >>
> >> Jean-Louis
Re: Tape order
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From: Jean-Louis Martineau
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:21:48 PM
To: McGraw, Robert P
Cc: 'amanda-users@amanda.org'
Subject: Re: Tape order
% amadmin archive tape
The next Amanda run should go onto 6 new tapes.
The next 6 new tapes already labelled are: A00221, A00222, A00224, A00225,
A00226, A00223
Ha, they are new tapes, there is no order for new tape, amanda use the
first one.
Put them in the changer in the oreder you want them to be used.
Jean-Louis
On 07/07/2011 04:39 PM, McGraw, Robert P wrote:
> I usually do that just sliped my mind.
>
> My setup is
>
> I am running Amanda-3.2.3 on a Solaris 10 X86 host and I have changer defined
> as
>
> define changer "c4" {
>tpchanger "chg-robot:/dev/changer/0"
>changerfile "chg-zd-mtx-state"
>property "tape-device" "0=tape:/dev/rmt/0cbn"
>property "eject-before-unload" "true"
>property "eject-delay" "10"
>property "unload-delay" "10"
>property "use-slots" "31-36"
>property "load-poll" "0s poll 5s until 120s"
>device-property "BLOCK_SIZE" "1024k"
>device-property "LEOM" "true"
> }
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jean-Louis Martineau [mailto:martin...@zmanda.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:20 PM
>> To: McGraw, Robert P
>> Cc: 'amanda-users@amanda.org'
>> Subject: Re: Tape order
>>
>>
>> Always post which amanda release you are using!
>>
>> Try chg-robot for your changer.
>>
>> Jean-Louis
>>
>> On 07/07/2011 02:21 PM, McGraw, Robert P wrote:
>>> I am trying to determine what tape order amanda uses when requesting a
>> reuse tape.
>>> My amanda.conf is configured to use slots 31-36 for my archive tapes.
>> These slots contain the following tapes.
>>> Storage Element 31:Full :VolumeTag=A00224L2
>>> Storage Element 32:Full :VolumeTag=A00225L2
>>> Storage Element 33:Full :VolumeTag=A00226L2
>>> Storage Element 34:Full :VolumeTag=A00221L2
>>> Storage Element 35:Full :VolumeTag=A00222L2
>>> Storage Element 36:Full :VolumeTag=A00223L2
>>>
>>>
>>> When I run "amadmin archive tape" I get this order list.
>>>
>>> % amadmin archive tape
>>> The next Amanda run should go onto 6 new tapes.
>>> The next 6 new tapes already labelled are: A00221, A00222, A00224,
>> A00225, A00226, A00223
>>> When I run "amcheck -s archive" I get the following:
>>>
>>> % amcheck -s archive
>>> Amanda Tape Server Host Check
>>> -
>>> Holding disk /zvol/amanda/holdingdisk/archive: 1918267 MB disk space
>> available, using 921600 MB as requested
>>> slot ?: slot 13 not in use-slots (31-36)
>>> slot 31: volume 'A00224'
>>> Will write to volume 'A00224' in slot 31.
>>> NOTE: skipping tape-writable test
>>> Server check took 42.518 seconds
>>>
>>> For my archive run slot 31 is the first slot used by my archive run that
>> has a reuse tape.
>>> I would really like to have my archive tape in the sequential order such
>> as A00221, A00222, A00224, A00225, A00226, A00223, but amcheck tell me
>> that it will start with what every tape is in slot 31, which happens to be
>> A00224 and will use tapes in slot 31-36.
>>> Why the difference between the two command.?
>> amadmin list the order in which the tape should be used.
>> amcheck list the first tape it will use, it is your responsibility to
>> but the tape you want in the correct slot
>> chg-zd-mtx do not use the barcode, that's why the fiorst slot is always
>> used.
>>
>> Jean-Louis
Re: Tape order
% amadmin archive tape
The next Amanda run should go onto 6 new tapes.
The next 6 new tapes already labelled are: A00221, A00222, A00224, A00225,
A00226, A00223
Ha, they are new tapes, there is no order for new tape, amanda use the
first one.
Put them in the changer in the oreder you want them to be used.
Jean-Louis
On 07/07/2011 04:39 PM, McGraw, Robert P wrote:
I usually do that just sliped my mind.
My setup is
I am running Amanda-3.2.3 on a Solaris 10 X86 host and I have changer defined as
define changer "c4" {
tpchanger "chg-robot:/dev/changer/0"
changerfile "chg-zd-mtx-state"
property "tape-device" "0=tape:/dev/rmt/0cbn"
property "eject-before-unload" "true"
property "eject-delay" "10"
property "unload-delay" "10"
property "use-slots" "31-36"
property "load-poll" "0s poll 5s until 120s"
device-property "BLOCK_SIZE" "1024k"
device-property "LEOM" "true"
}
-Original Message-
From: Jean-Louis Martineau [mailto:martin...@zmanda.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:20 PM
To: McGraw, Robert P
Cc: 'amanda-users@amanda.org'
Subject: Re: Tape order
Always post which amanda release you are using!
Try chg-robot for your changer.
Jean-Louis
On 07/07/2011 02:21 PM, McGraw, Robert P wrote:
I am trying to determine what tape order amanda uses when requesting a
reuse tape.
My amanda.conf is configured to use slots 31-36 for my archive tapes.
These slots contain the following tapes.
Storage Element 31:Full :VolumeTag=A00224L2
Storage Element 32:Full :VolumeTag=A00225L2
Storage Element 33:Full :VolumeTag=A00226L2
Storage Element 34:Full :VolumeTag=A00221L2
Storage Element 35:Full :VolumeTag=A00222L2
Storage Element 36:Full :VolumeTag=A00223L2
When I run "amadmin archive tape" I get this order list.
% amadmin archive tape
The next Amanda run should go onto 6 new tapes.
The next 6 new tapes already labelled are: A00221, A00222, A00224,
A00225, A00226, A00223
When I run "amcheck -s archive" I get the following:
% amcheck -s archive
Amanda Tape Server Host Check
-
Holding disk /zvol/amanda/holdingdisk/archive: 1918267 MB disk space
available, using 921600 MB as requested
slot ?: slot 13 not in use-slots (31-36)
slot 31: volume 'A00224'
Will write to volume 'A00224' in slot 31.
NOTE: skipping tape-writable test
Server check took 42.518 seconds
For my archive run slot 31 is the first slot used by my archive run that
has a reuse tape.
I would really like to have my archive tape in the sequential order such
as A00221, A00222, A00224, A00225, A00226, A00223, but amcheck tell me
that it will start with what every tape is in slot 31, which happens to be
A00224 and will use tapes in slot 31-36.
Why the difference between the two command.?
amadmin list the order in which the tape should be used.
amcheck list the first tape it will use, it is your responsibility to
but the tape you want in the correct slot
chg-zd-mtx do not use the barcode, that's why the fiorst slot is always
used.
Jean-Louis
RE: Tape order
I usually do that just sliped my mind.
My setup is
I am running Amanda-3.2.3 on a Solaris 10 X86 host and I have changer defined
as
define changer "c4" {
tpchanger "chg-robot:/dev/changer/0"
changerfile "chg-zd-mtx-state"
property "tape-device" "0=tape:/dev/rmt/0cbn"
property "eject-before-unload" "true"
property "eject-delay" "10"
property "unload-delay" "10"
property "use-slots" "31-36"
property "load-poll" "0s poll 5s until 120s"
device-property "BLOCK_SIZE" "1024k"
device-property "LEOM" "true"
}
> -----Original Message-
> From: Jean-Louis Martineau [mailto:martin...@zmanda.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:20 PM
> To: McGraw, Robert P
> Cc: 'amanda-users@amanda.org'
> Subject: Re: Tape order
>
>
> Always post which amanda release you are using!
>
> Try chg-robot for your changer.
>
> Jean-Louis
>
> On 07/07/2011 02:21 PM, McGraw, Robert P wrote:
> > I am trying to determine what tape order amanda uses when requesting a
> reuse tape.
> >
> > My amanda.conf is configured to use slots 31-36 for my archive tapes.
> These slots contain the following tapes.
> >
> >Storage Element 31:Full :VolumeTag=A00224L2
> >Storage Element 32:Full :VolumeTag=A00225L2
> >Storage Element 33:Full :VolumeTag=A00226L2
> >Storage Element 34:Full :VolumeTag=A00221L2
> >Storage Element 35:Full :VolumeTag=A00222L2
> >Storage Element 36:Full :VolumeTag=A00223L2
> >
> >
> > When I run "amadmin archive tape" I get this order list.
> >
> > % amadmin archive tape
> > The next Amanda run should go onto 6 new tapes.
> > The next 6 new tapes already labelled are: A00221, A00222, A00224,
> A00225, A00226, A00223
> >
> > When I run "amcheck -s archive" I get the following:
> >
> > % amcheck -s archive
> > Amanda Tape Server Host Check
> > -
> > Holding disk /zvol/amanda/holdingdisk/archive: 1918267 MB disk space
> available, using 921600 MB as requested
> > slot ?: slot 13 not in use-slots (31-36)
> > slot 31: volume 'A00224'
> > Will write to volume 'A00224' in slot 31.
> > NOTE: skipping tape-writable test
> > Server check took 42.518 seconds
> >
> > For my archive run slot 31 is the first slot used by my archive run that
> has a reuse tape.
> >
> > I would really like to have my archive tape in the sequential order such
> as A00221, A00222, A00224, A00225, A00226, A00223, but amcheck tell me
> that it will start with what every tape is in slot 31, which happens to be
> A00224 and will use tapes in slot 31-36.
> >
> > Why the difference between the two command.?
>
> amadmin list the order in which the tape should be used.
> amcheck list the first tape it will use, it is your responsibility to
> but the tape you want in the correct slot
> chg-zd-mtx do not use the barcode, that's why the fiorst slot is always
> used.
>
> Jean-Louis
Re: Tape order
Always post which amanda release you are using! Try chg-robot for your changer. Jean-Louis On 07/07/2011 02:21 PM, McGraw, Robert P wrote: I am trying to determine what tape order amanda uses when requesting a reuse tape. My amanda.conf is configured to use slots 31-36 for my archive tapes. These slots contain the following tapes. Storage Element 31:Full :VolumeTag=A00224L2 Storage Element 32:Full :VolumeTag=A00225L2 Storage Element 33:Full :VolumeTag=A00226L2 Storage Element 34:Full :VolumeTag=A00221L2 Storage Element 35:Full :VolumeTag=A00222L2 Storage Element 36:Full :VolumeTag=A00223L2 When I run "amadmin archive tape" I get this order list. % amadmin archive tape The next Amanda run should go onto 6 new tapes. The next 6 new tapes already labelled are: A00221, A00222, A00224, A00225, A00226, A00223 When I run "amcheck -s archive" I get the following: % amcheck -s archive Amanda Tape Server Host Check - Holding disk /zvol/amanda/holdingdisk/archive: 1918267 MB disk space available, using 921600 MB as requested slot ?: slot 13 not in use-slots (31-36) slot 31: volume 'A00224' Will write to volume 'A00224' in slot 31. NOTE: skipping tape-writable test Server check took 42.518 seconds For my archive run slot 31 is the first slot used by my archive run that has a reuse tape. I would really like to have my archive tape in the sequential order such as A00221, A00222, A00224, A00225, A00226, A00223, but amcheck tell me that it will start with what every tape is in slot 31, which happens to be A00224 and will use tapes in slot 31-36. Why the difference between the two command.? amadmin list the order in which the tape should be used. amcheck list the first tape it will use, it is your responsibility to but the tape you want in the correct slot chg-zd-mtx do not use the barcode, that's why the fiorst slot is always used. Jean-Louis
RE: tape order
This is what I do to keep my tapes in sequence. Say I have the following tape list. 20061010200953 D00025 reuse 20061009201023 D00024 reuse 0 D00023 reuse 20061009141704 D00022 reuse 20061008200944 D00021 reuse I change the time for D00023 to something in between D00022 and D00024. Such as 20061010200953 D00025 reuse 20061009201023 D00024 reuse 20061009141904 D00023 reuse 20061009141704 D00022 reuse 20061008200944 D00021 reuse I have several L0 dumps so for me this is not a problem. It is best to do this as time gets closer to the date you want to change to. To keep things in order I always run sort -r oldtapelist > new tapelist The output will be sorted as above. The next tape on my list is always the bottom tape. Since I have been running amanda (3 years) my daily tapes have always been in sequence. Now my "amadmin config tape" list the correct tapes that will be used next. There is no rocket science in what I am doing but it works for me. Robert _ Robert P. McGraw, Jr. Manager, Computer System EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University ROOM: MATH-807 Department of MathematicsPHONE: (765) 494-6055 150 N. University Street FAX: (419) 821-0540 West Lafayette, IN 47907-2067 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Steve Wray > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:03 PM > To: amanda-users@amanda.org > Subject: Re: tape order > > > Jon LaBadie wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 11:44:53AM -0400, Steven Settlemyre wrote: > >> I have 24 tapes and a 8 tape changer. For some reason, it is going > >> 13->16->15->14->17. How can I fix this? can i just force it to take 14 > >> after 13 by only having 14 in there when it's expecting 16? My > tapecycle > >> is 10. > > > > As Michael suggests, your human ordering is VERY likely > > to get out of sequence. Best to forget about it. > > This has been bugging me for years. > > It makes daily off-site storage of backup tapes problematic; the > data-vault outfits typically need to know 24 hours in advance which tape > they should bring to your site as they need to plan the route for their > van. > > If you request that they send you a tape at 'short notice' they will > typically charge extra for this. > > I've been looking for a way to get amanda to try to predict which tape > it will want next in good time (a schedule for the next 3 days or so > would be ideal). No luck so far... smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: tape order
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 09:03:09AM +1300, Steve Wray wrote: > > This has been bugging me for years. > ... > > I've been looking for a way to get amanda to try to predict which tape > it will want next in good time (a schedule for the next 3 days or so > would be ideal). No luck so far... Isn't the tapelist file kept in order used, thus order to be used? Whenever I look at my list the next needed tapes are at the bottom of the file. I'd expect a tail -n runtapes x days would give you that info. -- Jon H. LaBadie [EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Computing 4455 Province Line Road(609) 252-0159 Princeton, NJ 08540-4322 (609) 683-7220 (fax)
Re: tape order
> I have 24 tapes and a 8 tape changer. For some reason, it is going > 13->16->15->14->17. How can I fix this? can i just force it to take 14 > after 13 by only having 14 in there when it's expecting 16? My tapecycle > is 10. On the sticker used on the tape, do a double numbering, one by Amanda label and one by human sequence (13 a) (16 b) (15 c) (14 d) (17 e) etc. Though after many years of using Amanda I never had the tapes going out of sequence, if one tape wears out, I replace it with a new tape, using the same label (amlabel -f), but I do the replacement only the very day I should have been reusing the bad tape. When a dump resolve that tape 7 is faulty, I continue with tape 8 and etc, only when Amanda ask to use tape 7 again, I label a new tape 7 and use that new 7. I do that with a PostIt on the bad tape to remind me that I must replace that tape the next time I try to use it. Olivier
Re: tape order
Jon LaBadie wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 11:44:53AM -0400, Steven Settlemyre wrote: >> I have 24 tapes and a 8 tape changer. For some reason, it is going >> 13->16->15->14->17. How can I fix this? can i just force it to take 14 >> after 13 by only having 14 in there when it's expecting 16? My tapecycle >> is 10. > > As Michael suggests, your human ordering is VERY likely > to get out of sequence. Best to forget about it. This has been bugging me for years. It makes daily off-site storage of backup tapes problematic; the data-vault outfits typically need to know 24 hours in advance which tape they should bring to your site as they need to plan the route for their van. If you request that they send you a tape at 'short notice' they will typically charge extra for this. I've been looking for a way to get amanda to try to predict which tape it will want next in good time (a schedule for the next 3 days or so would be ideal). No luck so far...
Re: tape order
right, but since I have 24 tapes and my dumpcycle is 1 week, I should never have to go that far back as to need these tapes. Jon LaBadie wrote: On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 11:44:53AM -0400, Steven Settlemyre wrote: I have 24 tapes and a 8 tape changer. For some reason, it is going 13->16->15->14->17. How can I fix this? can i just force it to take 14 after 13 by only having 14 in there when it's expecting 16? My tapecycle is 10. As Michael suggests, your human ordering is VERY likely to get out of sequence. Best to forget about it. If you insist, amanda looks for exact match for the sequence amanda has been using, new tapes (labeled but never before by amanda since labeling), and tapes that are not one of the last tapecycle (minus 1 I think) number of tapes used. So, if you want it to use tape 14, and it has not been used in the last tapecycle number of tapes, make sure that no other tapes in the changer fit the three categories above. Recognize too that there are probably some level 0 DLE dumps on tape 14 and will be overwritten early. The recovery value of the incrementals on tape 17, etc., that are based on those level 0's is reduced.
Re: tape order
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 11:44:53AM -0400, Steven Settlemyre wrote: > I have 24 tapes and a 8 tape changer. For some reason, it is going > 13->16->15->14->17. How can I fix this? can i just force it to take 14 > after 13 by only having 14 in there when it's expecting 16? My tapecycle > is 10. As Michael suggests, your human ordering is VERY likely to get out of sequence. Best to forget about it. If you insist, amanda looks for exact match for the sequence amanda has been using, new tapes (labeled but never before by amanda since labeling), and tapes that are not one of the last tapecycle (minus 1 I think) number of tapes used. So, if you want it to use tape 14, and it has not been used in the last tapecycle number of tapes, make sure that no other tapes in the changer fit the three categories above. Recognize too that there are probably some level 0 DLE dumps on tape 14 and will be overwritten early. The recovery value of the incrementals on tape 17, etc., that are based on those level 0's is reduced. -- Jon H. LaBadie [EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Computing 4455 Province Line Road(609) 252-0159 Princeton, NJ 08540-4322 (609) 683-7220 (fax)
Re: tape order
Forget about tape order. It's not important. AMANDA bases the order on what is expiring/expired. So just forget about tape order, it's going to get out of whack. Especially as you replace tapes due to wear. --On October 17, 2006 11:44:53 AM -0400 Steven Settlemyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have 24 tapes and a 8 tape changer. For some reason, it is going 13->16->15->14->17. How can I fix this? can i just force it to take 14 after 13 by only having 14 in there when it's expecting 16? My tapecycle is 10. Steve -- "Genius might be described as a supreme capacity for getting its possessors into trouble of all kinds." -- Samuel Butler
