Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
I can no longer keep silent. It has been my experience that there is insufficient choice in domiciles less than ten years old in any of the metropolitan areas that I am aware of that allow outside antennas. I have even seen restrictions on transmitting devices (cell phones?). This is an epidemic and severely restricts the choices available to amateurs who need to live in those areas. I agree that striking out the restrictive language at the time of sale is a valid idea. Good luck to those whose top housing priority is something other than our beloved hobby. "When CW is no longer required, it will be a necessity." de K5SEE Sent from a personalized AOL(R) My eAddress. Create your own FREE email address from scratch (go to http://domains.aol.com), not just the part before the @. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
Hi Guys, It just totally escapes me why a Ham would dole out $$$ for the BIGGEST investment in his life, i.e. a house, and then whine about existing covenants against antennas... Doesn't it make supreme sense to check things out first, BEFORE signing on the dotted line...? (HINT: think of the old "...never jump into an empty swimming pool / look before you leap" adage for comparative purposes). When we were house-hunting here 18 years ago I specifically told our real estate agent to watch for antenna restrictions / covenants: if there were any, we simply crossed that property off our list. Simple. Why buy your way into the heartache & disappointment of future, on-going "firefights" over your "right" to raise an antenna...? Why in your right mind would you want to raise the ire of your neighbours by becoming the target of blame for each & every blip on their TV screens / telephone static / loss of internet connection / ad nauseam...? Surely there must be enough suitable domiciles available for sale in the country that one's choices would NEVER have to be THAT limited...unless, of course, one is afflicted with some sort of a demented martyr's syndrome, or, one thrives on the anataganism of others, & upon personal chaos... ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ * - Original Message - From: "D. Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions > > From: "Ed Sieb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Up here in Canada, we call those "culos", "trou de cul". > > Same thing. > > Or in Italian, you tell 'em "Fa'n culo!" > > Something that might be worth a try would be to cross out the restrictive > language in the contract in permanent ink and initial in the margin next to > the stricken text, before signing it. Sometimes the seller of the property > or the real estate agent will be too eager to close the deal, and not notice > the modification, or he may simply not care as long as he is getting his > money out of the deal. Once it is registered at the courthouse in that > condition, the crossed out language is legally voided, too late to do > anything about it. > > I know of at least one case where the buyer of a property did that (although > it had nothing to do with amateur radio) and it worked. > > OTOH, I also have heard stories of where people had been living on a > property for decades without restrictions, and then new highly restricted > developments with HOA's popped up on all sides. The older property owner > was tricked into signing a form to join the HOA and accept its restrictions. > He thought he was signing an agreement to settle a road easement issue with > an adjoining property owner, but voluntary HOA membership was hidden in the > fine print. > > So even if you are a long-time property owner in a locality, be very careful > about any agreement you sign with neighbours regarding real estate issues. > > Don k4kyv > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
From: "Ed Sieb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Up here in Canada, we call those "culos", "trou de cul". Same thing. Or in Italian, you tell 'em "Fa'n culo!" Something that might be worth a try would be to cross out the restrictive language in the contract in permanent ink and initial in the margin next to the stricken text, before signing it. Sometimes the seller of the property or the real estate agent will be too eager to close the deal, and not notice the modification, or he may simply not care as long as he is getting his money out of the deal. Once it is registered at the courthouse in that condition, the crossed out language is legally voided, too late to do anything about it. I know of at least one case where the buyer of a property did that (although it had nothing to do with amateur radio) and it worked. OTOH, I also have heard stories of where people had been living on a property for decades without restrictions, and then new highly restricted developments with HOA's popped up on all sides. The older property owner was tricked into signing a form to join the HOA and accept its restrictions. He thought he was signing an agreement to settle a road easement issue with an adjoining property owner, but voluntary HOA membership was hidden in the fine print. So even if you are a long-time property owner in a locality, be very careful about any agreement you sign with neighbours regarding real estate issues. Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story)
Up here in Canada, we call those "culos", "trou de cul". Same thing. Ed, VA3ES Bob Young wrote: it only takes one Culo (if you don't speak Spanish you can guess what that means, __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story)
Bob that security guard sounds a lot like a bunch of them I have met here. Jim/W5JO it was the idiot 20 year old security guard who thought he was a cop who caused all the problems. > Bob Young KB1OKL __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story)
I didn't buy the place, just rented it for 6 months here in Lima Peru. I didn't whine, I WON and THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT ANTENNAS in the agreement we signed, also it was not a deed restricted community, here in Lima most condos are in very big tall buildings, not sprawling communities like in the states and the antenna was a LW on the roof of this 5 story building out of sight of everyone with the lead in wire coming down a pipe right into the cable outlet. Most of the people there were very nice, it was the idiot 20 year old security guard who thought he was a cop who caused all the problems. This taught me that in a condo where everyone owns a piece of it, it only takes one Culo (if you don't speak Spanish you can guess what that means, apologies to all who can) to cause problems. Bob Young KB1OKL > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: alton young > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story) > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I lived in a condo for one year and that was enough i didnt fight the assn > because i new going in what i signed.If you buy in a deed restricted > community being a ham you got what you deserved .I ran psk31 and enjoyed it > to a magnet wire antenna under the eve.But the grown men who move in there > should stop whining...imho.w4bni--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Bob Young wrote: > _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008__ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
Not quite the same. There is no Federal law protecting the right of those people to not have airplanes flying overhead... On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:40 PM, rbethman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom, > > You've sure got that one right on the head! > > I've been watching that development of affairs between my place and Dulles > Airport. I'm at the point in the pattern about 10 - 15 miles away from the > threshold. Folks buy town houses, condos, and single family homes about 2 to > 3 miles from the threshold and THEN bellyache about aircraft noise. > > Was Dulles closed when then looked at the property? I've lived here 20 > years. Only seen it closed for a full day twice in all those years. > > Go figure! > > Did MY homework when we bought this house. NO HOAs, CCRs, or the like was > requirement #1, along with tax base and millage. Schools also a priority > item. > > Then I worried about lot size. > > N0DGN > > Clarke, Tom AIR4.0P NATOPS wrote: >> >> Same idea as the folks who move in next to an airport - then complain >> about noise! Duh! >> >> Tom Clarke > > -- > Bob - NØDGN > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > -- Jim Isbell "If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space." __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
Tom, You've sure got that one right on the head! I've been watching that development of affairs between my place and Dulles Airport. I'm at the point in the pattern about 10 - 15 miles away from the threshold. Folks buy town houses, condos, and single family homes about 2 to 3 miles from the threshold and THEN bellyache about aircraft noise. Was Dulles closed when then looked at the property? I've lived here 20 years. Only seen it closed for a full day twice in all those years. Go figure! Did MY homework when we bought this house. NO HOAs, CCRs, or the like was requirement #1, along with tax base and millage. Schools also a priority item. Then I worried about lot size. N0DGN Clarke, Tom AIR4.0P NATOPS wrote: Same idea as the folks who move in next to an airport - then complain about noise! Duh! Tom Clarke -- Bob - NØDGN __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
ITS federal LAWwhy is it whining to ask for federal law to be enforced?? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > would these been the same little busy bodies who complain about the > environment and the cost of utilities and gas while at the same time > fighting to not allow their neighboors to install alternative energy > products on their property? Ie: the guy who had to disable his wind > generator because it made a slight wooshing sound? the same ones who call > thew cops because your kids are laughing too loud at 3 in the afternoon? > > I agree with you sign it willingly, you deal with it, but there needs to be > a limit to what can and can not be put into such contracts. they should not > be able to strip you of all your human rights and control every aspect of > your life via binding contract you know what thats called > Communism! > > - Original Message - From: "Clarke, Tom AIR4.0P NATOPS" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:19 PM > Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions > > > Same idea as the folks who move in next to an airport - then complain > about noise! Duh! > > > Tom Clarke > Wyle Labs, Aeronautics > NATOPS Program Support Specialist/C130 Pilot > USN/USMC National Airworthiness Office > Naval Air Systems Command, AIR-4.0P > (301) 995-3793/DSN 995-3793 > Fax: (301) 757-6599 > Cell (301) 904-2053 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Todd, KA1KAQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:01 > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Jim Wilhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Breaking a contract in the form of a CC&R is very difficult, but has > > been >> >> done. The court system, the FCC and most hams are afraid to get on > > the side >> >> of Amateur Radio in this issue, because of all the little ladies in > > tennis >> >> shoes who will spend whatever time and money it takes to wart the > > officials >> >> crazy. This is the kind of thing that draws TV reporters like moths > > to a >> >> flame. > > Reminds me of those sports stars who sign multi-million dollar > contracts seeing the direct benefit to them, then try to weasel out of > it later once they have the dough. > > I see it more as having the potential to make amateurs look foolish, > as well as whiners and crybabies. That we'd willingly sign a document > clearly stating what is off limits, then play the victim and cry foul. > We do see a lot of this type of nonsense in today's world where no one > apparently is responsible for the choices they make, it's just sad to > see the group that supposedly looks out for amateur radio considering > the same nonsense. Then again - it is a 'brave, new-age world' and we > have the equivalent in the ARRL. We really shouldn't be surprised. > That it's taking place in Texas and Oklahoma instead of somewhere like > San Francisco, Seattle, or New England is somewhat amazing, though. > > As for those old ladies, Jim - more power to them for sticking up for > what's right and expecting others to live up to their end of the > bargain. As Bruce, Larry, and others have said - no one is twisting > anyone's arm to move there. (o: > > ~ Todd > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > -- Jim Isbell "If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space.&qu
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
would these been the same little busy bodies who complain about the environment and the cost of utilities and gas while at the same time fighting to not allow their neighboors to install alternative energy products on their property? Ie: the guy who had to disable his wind generator because it made a slight wooshing sound? the same ones who call thew cops because your kids are laughing too loud at 3 in the afternoon? I agree with you sign it willingly, you deal with it, but there needs to be a limit to what can and can not be put into such contracts. they should not be able to strip you of all your human rights and control every aspect of your life via binding contract you know what thats called Communism! - Original Message - From: "Clarke, Tom AIR4.0P NATOPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions Same idea as the folks who move in next to an airport - then complain about noise! Duh! Tom Clarke Wyle Labs, Aeronautics NATOPS Program Support Specialist/C130 Pilot USN/USMC National Airworthiness Office Naval Air Systems Command, AIR-4.0P (301) 995-3793/DSN 995-3793 Fax: (301) 757-6599 Cell (301) 904-2053 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Todd, KA1KAQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:01 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Jim Wilhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Breaking a contract in the form of a CC&R is very difficult, but has been done. The court system, the FCC and most hams are afraid to get on the side of Amateur Radio in this issue, because of all the little ladies in tennis shoes who will spend whatever time and money it takes to wart the officials crazy. This is the kind of thing that draws TV reporters like moths to a flame. Reminds me of those sports stars who sign multi-million dollar contracts seeing the direct benefit to them, then try to weasel out of it later once they have the dough. I see it more as having the potential to make amateurs look foolish, as well as whiners and crybabies. That we'd willingly sign a document clearly stating what is off limits, then play the victim and cry foul. We do see a lot of this type of nonsense in today's world where no one apparently is responsible for the choices they make, it's just sad to see the group that supposedly looks out for amateur radio considering the same nonsense. Then again - it is a 'brave, new-age world' and we have the equivalent in the ARRL. We really shouldn't be surprised. That it's taking place in Texas and Oklahoma instead of somewhere like San Francisco, Seattle, or New England is somewhat amazing, though. As for those old ladies, Jim - more power to them for sticking up for what's right and expecting others to live up to their end of the bargain. As Bruce, Larry, and others have said - no one is twisting anyone's arm to move there. (o: ~ Todd __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
Same idea as the folks who move in next to an airport - then complain about noise! Duh! Tom Clarke Wyle Labs, Aeronautics NATOPS Program Support Specialist/C130 Pilot USN/USMC National Airworthiness Office Naval Air Systems Command, AIR-4.0P (301) 995-3793/DSN 995-3793 Fax: (301) 757-6599 Cell (301) 904-2053 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Todd, KA1KAQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:01 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Jim Wilhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Breaking a contract in the form of a CC&R is very difficult, but has been > done. The court system, the FCC and most hams are afraid to get on the side > of Amateur Radio in this issue, because of all the little ladies in tennis > shoes who will spend whatever time and money it takes to wart the officials > crazy. This is the kind of thing that draws TV reporters like moths to a > flame. Reminds me of those sports stars who sign multi-million dollar contracts seeing the direct benefit to them, then try to weasel out of it later once they have the dough. I see it more as having the potential to make amateurs look foolish, as well as whiners and crybabies. That we'd willingly sign a document clearly stating what is off limits, then play the victim and cry foul. We do see a lot of this type of nonsense in today's world where no one apparently is responsible for the choices they make, it's just sad to see the group that supposedly looks out for amateur radio considering the same nonsense. Then again - it is a 'brave, new-age world' and we have the equivalent in the ARRL. We really shouldn't be surprised. That it's taking place in Texas and Oklahoma instead of somewhere like San Francisco, Seattle, or New England is somewhat amazing, though. As for those old ladies, Jim - more power to them for sticking up for what's right and expecting others to live up to their end of the bargain. As Bruce, Larry, and others have said - no one is twisting anyone's arm to move there. (o: ~ Todd __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story)
I lived in a condo for one year and that was enough i didnt fight the assn because i new going in what i signed.If you buy in a deed restricted community being a ham you got what you deserved .I ran psk31 and enjoyed it to a magnet wire antenna under the eve.But the grown men who move in there should stop whining...imho.w4bni--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Bob Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Bob Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story) To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:54 PM > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:19:02 -0400 > From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Bob Young wrote: > >> I am living in an apartment at present in MA (you think VT is bad) > > It is! We used to laugh about 'Taxachussetts' because of the insanity > there, but we've since surpassed you in both tax burden (highest in > the US) and ridiculous politics. Uncle Teddy would probably be seen as > a conservative up here. I think our states have traded places, except it is far too congested unlike your's and is still regulated to the point of stupidity, I'm looking to move too within the next couple of years and probably somewhere near you. My wife loves Miami which I really don't like very much so I figure perhaps NC is a good compromise. (Seems to be a lot of good radio people there too with one more coming) >> I have considered moving here someday as prices are cheap, the weather is great, and the people are nice, but I will NEVER buy or rent a condo again anywhere, here or in the States. That one Condo Cop experience was enough for me and there was no antenna restriction there. > > Precisely. When we decided to move to the Raleigh NC area, I started > looking online long before any move, checking zoning, taxes, and so > on. We were both there in April (Jen had work meetings for her new > job, I was scoping out real estate), I spent a couple days with a > Realtor. She showed me some very nice houses in new developments, most > with an acre of land or close. Trees, country settings...and HOA > restrictions. She had printed out one sheet for a property about 25 > miles north of Raleigh, but figured it would be too far out for us > (wife works on north Raleigh, who knows where I'll end up?). It ended > up being perfect, nearly 3 acres in a very rural setting with minimal > zoning restrictions meant mostly to control industrial development. > Realtor was surprised, particularly since it was only meant to give us > some ideas to ponder. Instead we found a house and ended up buying it. > We were pretty much resigned to taking an apartment at least for a > while. > Sounds great to me, I think I dreamed about your house last night, hi! > BTW - don't miss > George's next R-390A workshop at the October NEAR-Fest, it's going to > be great! > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ I hope to be there, I had to work all weekend this spring, which was not fun especially since I knew what was going on in NH. His workshop was the high point of the NEAR-Fest for me last year. Bob Young KB1OKL _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008__ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story)
> > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:19:02 -0400 > From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Bob Young wrote: > >> I am living in an apartment at present in MA (you think VT is bad) > > It is! We used to laugh about 'Taxachussetts' because of the insanity > there, but we've since surpassed you in both tax burden (highest in > the US) and ridiculous politics. Uncle Teddy would probably be seen as > a conservative up here. I think our states have traded places, except it is far too congested unlike your's and is still regulated to the point of stupidity, I'm looking to move too within the next couple of years and probably somewhere near you. My wife loves Miami which I really don't like very much so I figure perhaps NC is a good compromise. (Seems to be a lot of good radio people there too with one more coming) >> I have considered moving here someday as prices are cheap, the weather is >> great, and the people are nice, but I will NEVER buy or rent a condo again >> anywhere, here or in the States. That one Condo Cop experience was enough >> for me and there was no antenna restriction there. > > Precisely. When we decided to move to the Raleigh NC area, I started > looking online long before any move, checking zoning, taxes, and so > on. We were both there in April (Jen had work meetings for her new > job, I was scoping out real estate), I spent a couple days with a > Realtor. She showed me some very nice houses in new developments, most > with an acre of land or close. Trees, country settings...and HOA > restrictions. She had printed out one sheet for a property about 25 > miles north of Raleigh, but figured it would be too far out for us > (wife works on north Raleigh, who knows where I'll end up?). It ended > up being perfect, nearly 3 acres in a very rural setting with minimal > zoning restrictions meant mostly to control industrial development. > Realtor was surprised, particularly since it was only meant to give us > some ideas to ponder. Instead we found a house and ended up buying it. > We were pretty much resigned to taking an apartment at least for a > while. > Sounds great to me, I think I dreamed about your house last night, hi! > BTW - don't miss > George's next R-390A workshop at the October NEAR-Fest, it's going to > be great! > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ I hope to be there, I had to work all weekend this spring, which was not fun especially since I knew what was going on in NH. His workshop was the high point of the NEAR-Fest for me last year. Bob Young KB1OKL _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008__ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
RTP is teeming with boatanchor guys too - glad you have found a good spot for your antenna farm and joining the gang down here! Nick KD4CPL Chapel Hill NC www.virhistory.com/navy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd, KA1KAQ Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:36 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions ... Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill and the surrounding area is known as the Research Triangle, it's teeming with activity and jobs galore, from education to tech to IT. Google is in NC, Cisco, I think Yahoo is, plus many software companies and universities. We're 25 miles north of Raleigh, in a rural setting with cheap taxes, minimal zoning, and a half hour commute to a strong job market for anyone who wants to work. So I disagree that the only places with jobs require living under the yoke of some HOA. .. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
Yep, I agree with you there Jim - the last thing we need is anyone, little old ladies or otherwise - trying to tell us what we need. In this case, the choice is to avoid them, the HOAs, and anything else like the plague. Not expect the League or anyone else to bail us out after making the choice. I'm thankful they are so up front about it, like those medical or nuclear waste decals. There's no mistaking it, makes it easier to go elsewhere. We have the creeping socialism here, along with many other factors. I've been active and voted against all of it, but must concede defeat to the new-age citiots who have taken over. If it's warm and fuzzy and you can make someone else pay for it, it must be a good idea. So I'm leaving not just the town, but my entire state behind 'by choice'. Giving up a decent job and the rest because to me, other things matter more. Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill and the surrounding area is known as the Research Triangle, it's teeming with activity and jobs galore, from education to tech to IT. Google is in NC, Cisco, I think Yahoo is, plus many software companies and universities. We're 25 miles north of Raleigh, in a rural setting with cheap taxes, minimal zoning, and a half hour commute to a strong job market for anyone who wants to work. So I disagree that the only places with jobs require living under the yoke of some HOA. We could have - and would've been closer to work, with a much newer house - but chose not to. It's all in what you want, and why. I tend to think that amateur radio doesn't play a big role in the decisions of many folks when it comes to moving, much to their regret later. The League could do itself and amateur radio a big favor by getting back to basics, focusing on cleaning up its own house, being more inclusive of all modes and favoring none, things like that. Build the ARRL back into a worthwhile organization whose membership includes the majority, not minority, of licensed amateurs. And pick the battles with others very carefully. In my opinion, of course. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Jim Wilhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately any new development in the past 20 years has been moving to > the restrictive covenants against any form of tower or transmitting > antennae. Remember a while back developers tried to ban dish TV antennae > which was overturned by the courts and the FCC. > > Now we all understand about signing a document that restricts things, the > problem is not one of choice for many. There are a lot of places to buy > homes and land that are unrestricted, but those places are not where the > jobs are. Many hams purchase homes in places where there are restrictions > with the thought in mind that when they retire, they will move somewhere > they can put up anything they want. In the meantime they will do without or > just scrape by. > > You were fortunate to find a place where you are moving, but many who do > move can't find those kinds of places or they are 50 miles from their new > job. All the ARRL is trying to do is make the hobby universal. Not all > hams use vertical antennae that can be mounted on poles and covered with > radomes. Can you see a radome over a Mosley Pro 67. Not only that, the > cost of such an installation is prohibitive. Not all hams want a tri-band > beam and that is fine, but if I do and for good purposes, then I should have > that option. I don't operate VHF nor UHF so should my view be fostered on > everyone. You can operate below 30 megacycles only. I am going to prohibit > antennae for frequencies above 50 meg. I don't think so. > > God save me from those little old ladies. I don't share their views on most > things. They are out to protect the world and I don't need it nor want it. > They are pushing socialism at it's worst. After all I left home when I was > 17 to make my place in the world and I left my mother at the same time. I > am just tired of them picking my arm to twist. There are more important > matters that should be addressed and their view out the window is a minor > one. > > Jim > > > - Original Message - From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" > >> >> I see it more as having the potential to make amateurs look foolish, >> as well as whiners and crybabies. That we'd willingly sign a document >> clearly stating what is off limits, then play the victim and cry foul. >> We do see a lot of this type of nonsense in today's world where no one >> apparently is responsible for the choices they make, it's just sad to >> see the group that supposedly looks out for amateur radio considering >> the same nonsense. Then again - it is a 'brave, new-age world' and we >> have the equivalent in the ARRL. We really shouldn't be surprised. >> That it's taking place in Texas and Oklahoma instead of somewhere like >> San Francisco, Seattle, or New England is somewhat amazing, though. >> >> As for those old ladies, Jim - more power to them for sticking up for >> what's right and expect
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
Unfortunately any new development in the past 20 years has been moving to the restrictive covenants against any form of tower or transmitting antennae. Remember a while back developers tried to ban dish TV antennae which was overturned by the courts and the FCC. Now we all understand about signing a document that restricts things, the problem is not one of choice for many. There are a lot of places to buy homes and land that are unrestricted, but those places are not where the jobs are. Many hams purchase homes in places where there are restrictions with the thought in mind that when they retire, they will move somewhere they can put up anything they want. In the meantime they will do without or just scrape by. You were fortunate to find a place where you are moving, but many who do move can't find those kinds of places or they are 50 miles from their new job. All the ARRL is trying to do is make the hobby universal. Not all hams use vertical antennae that can be mounted on poles and covered with radomes. Can you see a radome over a Mosley Pro 67. Not only that, the cost of such an installation is prohibitive. Not all hams want a tri-band beam and that is fine, but if I do and for good purposes, then I should have that option. I don't operate VHF nor UHF so should my view be fostered on everyone. You can operate below 30 megacycles only. I am going to prohibit antennae for frequencies above 50 meg. I don't think so. God save me from those little old ladies. I don't share their views on most things. They are out to protect the world and I don't need it nor want it. They are pushing socialism at it's worst. After all I left home when I was 17 to make my place in the world and I left my mother at the same time. I am just tired of them picking my arm to twist. There are more important matters that should be addressed and their view out the window is a minor one. Jim - Original Message - From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" I see it more as having the potential to make amateurs look foolish, as well as whiners and crybabies. That we'd willingly sign a document clearly stating what is off limits, then play the victim and cry foul. We do see a lot of this type of nonsense in today's world where no one apparently is responsible for the choices they make, it's just sad to see the group that supposedly looks out for amateur radio considering the same nonsense. Then again - it is a 'brave, new-age world' and we have the equivalent in the ARRL. We really shouldn't be surprised. That it's taking place in Texas and Oklahoma instead of somewhere like San Francisco, Seattle, or New England is somewhat amazing, though. As for those old ladies, Jim - more power to them for sticking up for what's right and expecting others to live up to their end of the bargain. As Bruce, Larry, and others have said - no one is twisting anyone's arm to move there. (o: ~ Todd __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Bob Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am living in an apartment at present in MA (you think VT is bad) It is! We used to laugh about 'Taxachussetts' because of the insanity there, but we've since surpassed you in both tax burden (highest in the US) and ridiculous politics. Uncle Teddy would probably be seen as a conservative up here. > I have considered moving here someday as prices are cheap, the weather is > great, and the people are nice, but I will NEVER buy or rent a condo again > anywhere, here or in the States. That one Condo Cop experience was enough > for me and there was no antenna restriction there. Precisely. When we decided to move to the Raleigh NC area, I started looking online long before any move, checking zoning, taxes, and so on. We were both there in April (Jen had work meetings for her new job, I was scoping out real estate), I spent a couple days with a Realtor. She showed me some very nice houses in new developments, most with an acre of land or close. Trees, country settings...and HOA restrictions. She had printed out one sheet for a property about 25 miles north of Raleigh, but figured it would be too far out for us (wife works on north Raleigh, who knows where I'll end up?). It ended up being perfect, nearly 3 acres in a very rural setting with minimal zoning restrictions meant mostly to control industrial development. Realtor was surprised, particularly since it was only meant to give us some ideas to ponder. Instead we found a house and ended up buying it. We were pretty much resigned to taking an apartment at least for a while. Many of the new homes were much 'nicer' with the latest/greatest appliances, closer to the city, and other 'pluses'. We could've chosen any of them and been happy, if the main focus had been convenience. Instead, we chose what we wanted and would be most comfortable with. Amusing part is - there are two new developments nearby, same .5 to 1 acre lots, HOAs and so on. I figure in a few years our little investment will be one of the few in the area with land, privacy, and only light zoning to deal with. That didn't happen by mistake. And when the time comes to move again, it will be to a place with more land and the same or fewer restrictions. It's called ''choice'. Far easier and more sensible than expecting others to adapt to my wishes, and certainly better than hoping for the League to solve my problems for me. You've got the right idea, Bob. Learn by past mistakes, and don't put yourself in a situation you know you won't like. BTW - don't miss George's next R-390A workshop at the October NEAR-Fest, it's going to be great! ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
My answer to the whole cc&r debate is what happens 10-15 years down the road when it becomes almost impossible to find a house outside of a deed restricted property. around here it already has become increasingly difficult to find non deed restricted property. cc&r properties are popping up at an alarming rate with no sign of slowing down even in these economic times. actually these economic times may be driving the craze for affordable housing. so it is not simple as wright and wrong or black and white with this topic. some of these deed restrictions are draconian and i beleive the government should put restriction on what HOA's can and Can't do. for anyone who hasn't seen it rent The Colony starring John Ritter. it's almost scary how much was predicted in this movie that has become true over the years. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org - Original Message - From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Jim Wilhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Breaking a contract in the form of a CC&R is very difficult, but has been done. The court system, the FCC and most hams are afraid to get on the side of Amateur Radio in this issue, because of all the little ladies in tennis shoes who will spend whatever time and money it takes to wart the officials crazy. This is the kind of thing that draws TV reporters like moths to a flame. Reminds me of those sports stars who sign multi-million dollar contracts seeing the direct benefit to them, then try to weasel out of it later once they have the dough. I see it more as having the potential to make amateurs look foolish, as well as whiners and crybabies. That we'd willingly sign a document clearly stating what is off limits, then play the victim and cry foul. We do see a lot of this type of nonsense in today's world where no one apparently is responsible for the choices they make, it's just sad to see the group that supposedly looks out for amateur radio considering the same nonsense. Then again - it is a 'brave, new-age world' and we have the equivalent in the ARRL. We really shouldn't be surprised. That it's taking place in Texas and Oklahoma instead of somewhere like San Francisco, Seattle, or New England is somewhat amazing, though. As for those old ladies, Jim - more power to them for sticking up for what's right and expecting others to live up to their end of the bargain. As Bruce, Larry, and others have said - no one is twisting anyone's arm to move there. (o: ~ Todd __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Jim Wilhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Breaking a contract in the form of a CC&R is very difficult, but has been > done. The court system, the FCC and most hams are afraid to get on the side > of Amateur Radio in this issue, because of all the little ladies in tennis > shoes who will spend whatever time and money it takes to wart the officials > crazy. This is the kind of thing that draws TV reporters like moths to a > flame. Reminds me of those sports stars who sign multi-million dollar contracts seeing the direct benefit to them, then try to weasel out of it later once they have the dough. I see it more as having the potential to make amateurs look foolish, as well as whiners and crybabies. That we'd willingly sign a document clearly stating what is off limits, then play the victim and cry foul. We do see a lot of this type of nonsense in today's world where no one apparently is responsible for the choices they make, it's just sad to see the group that supposedly looks out for amateur radio considering the same nonsense. Then again - it is a 'brave, new-age world' and we have the equivalent in the ARRL. We really shouldn't be surprised. That it's taking place in Texas and Oklahoma instead of somewhere like San Francisco, Seattle, or New England is somewhat amazing, though. As for those old ladies, Jim - more power to them for sticking up for what's right and expecting others to live up to their end of the bargain. As Bruce, Larry, and others have said - no one is twisting anyone's arm to move there. (o: ~ Todd __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions (long story)
I am living in an apartment at present in MA (you think VT is bad) and the first thing I did was scout out the area, was lucky and found a place about half mile from my father's house one day driving home from there, it's a decent place with a lot of woods in the back. I then asked the landlord if he minded if I put up some LW antennas as I was a BCB DXer, (wasn't licensed at that time), he asked me a few questions about it and said yeah, sure go ahead. Being a BCB DXer, you need very long wires, so I then asked both my neighbors who were on the other side of the short amount of woods behing my building if them minded if I ran wires through their trees, assured them they would never see them nor experience any interference, they both thought about it and said yes go ahead. I ran 2 400 ft LW's out in different directions. I then got licensed and put up a full length 160 M dipole. My landlord now knows I have a ham license but doesn't care. I have three antennas hanging off the back of the house with no problems at all. I was lucky but was polite and it didn't hurt that my father was a mailman in town and knows virtually everyone and these two guys happened to know both my father and my brother. My wife is Peruvian and I have lived here also at times (I'm here right now in Lima) We rented a condo, I wanted to put a LW on the roof, I put one up without anyone knowing until I got caught sneaking up on the roof one day through the access hole at the top of the stairs, (5 story building) It started a big mess, finally we had a big meeting with all the tenents whch took over an hour and finally they agreed, but after I got the antenna all up under the watchful eye of the idiot condo security guard who made Barney Fife seem like a genius and thought he owned the place, he then placed a lock on the hatch. When I wanted to go up there to check things I had Barney follow me every time as of course he had the key and would drive me nuts every time I went up. I wanted to throw him off the roof a couple of times. I have considered moving here someday as prices are cheap, the weather is great, and the people are nice, but I will NEVER buy or rent a condo again anywhere, here or in the States. That one Condo Cop experience was enough for me and there was no antenna restriction there. Bob KKB1OKL > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:46:34 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ARRL initiative > To: amradio@mailman.qth.net > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > I don't have too much sympathy for a ham who would willingly move into > a restricted neighborhood and then complain he can't put up antennas. > But I've found it is becoming harder to find newer houses that do not > have at least some deed restrictions. And folks who can't afford to > buy a house and instead need to rent often face similar troubles. > Apartments are the worst. _ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace__ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
This is the third thing the ARRL is trying to do that I truly support. First of all they have legal representation in Washington D.C. Second they monitor band allocation and have an intruder watch, then actually pester the FCC about intruders. Now they are trying this. They may not succeed, but I support them. Breaking a contract in the form of a CC&R is very difficult, but has been done. The court system, the FCC and most hams are afraid to get on the side of Amateur Radio in this issue, because of all the little ladies in tennis shoes who will spend whatever time and money it takes to wart the officials crazy. This is the kind of thing that draws TV reporters like moths to a flame. I do wish them good luck and hope, not matter your feelings for the organization, you will do what you can for them. This issue is something all hams can support. Jim/W5JO Bob, there are more direct ways of trying to soften the impact of deed restrictions on radio hobbyists than to contribute money to the club in Newington. For one thing, your direct testimony at local zoning hearings is crucial if presented in a knowledgeable, neutral tone. With state legislatures, your local lawmaker is receptive to community service ideas, and a constituent would do well to establish a link between emergency radio communications and that legislator's awareness of "homeland security." Both actions take time, but both provide a direct sense of satisfaction to those who make the effort on behalf of other licensees. You cannot get that connection from the ARRL. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
Agreed...Who said anything about money??? They have not asked for any to do this. This is just a Texas, Oklahoma deal right now to see if it works... No one has asked us for money to do it... Bob W1PE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of VJB Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:00 PM To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions Bob, there are more direct ways of trying to soften the impact of deed restrictions on radio hobbyists than to contribute money to the club in Newington. For one thing, your direct testimony at local zoning hearings is crucial if presented in a knowledgeable, neutral tone. With state legislatures, your local lawmaker is receptive to community service ideas, and a constituent would do well to establish a link between emergency radio communications and that legislator's awareness of "homeland security." Both actions take time, but both provide a direct sense of satisfaction to those who make the effort on behalf of other licensees. You cannot get that connection from the ARRL. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Fighting deed restrictions
Bob, there are more direct ways of trying to soften the impact of deed restrictions on radio hobbyists than to contribute money to the club in Newington. For one thing, your direct testimony at local zoning hearings is crucial if presented in a knowledgeable, neutral tone. With state legislatures, your local lawmaker is receptive to community service ideas, and a constituent would do well to establish a link between emergency radio communications and that legislator's awareness of "homeland security." Both actions take time, but both provide a direct sense of satisfaction to those who make the effort on behalf of other licensees. You cannot get that connection from the ARRL. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
