Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
On 10/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much longer are we going to drag this thread out? My in box is way overloaded! Sounds like the rachet jaws on 3890! Who exactly are you referring to on 3890 John? I talk on 3890 quite often myself, and don't think I come close to some of the folks I've heard on 3885 in your area. Most of the folks on 3890 I know are not what I'd call a ratchet jaws. Maybe we are thinking of two different groups? Brian / w5ami __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Hi Brian, I giess I shopuld have been more specific in referring to a frequency. Many of the AMers are quite long winded in their transmissions and some are not. If you get one of the long winders and try to break in and are not successful, you can sometimes wait 10 minutes or longer before the next opportunity presents itself. 73, John, W4AWM __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Not sure where the archives are for this group but I believe someone here is selling xtals. I need one for the AM window ASAP. Please contact me via return email. Thanks Jack NR9Q -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I believe that's Brian Carling, AF4K, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.af4k.com/crystals.htm He can give you current price, etc. Ed, VA3ES Jack Schmidling wrote: Not sure where the archives are for this group but I believe someone here is selling xtals. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Go to WWW.AF4K.com for a list of crystals available. Bry has what you need. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Jack Schmidling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Not sure where the archives are for this group but I believe someone here is selling xtals. I need one for the AM window ASAP. Please contact me via return email. Thanks Jack NR9Q -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Correct there was Brian, telephone texting vs. good old CW. Wonder how it would have come out if it had been good old CW against good old 100 wpm narrow shift RTTY? How about PSK 31 or any of the other digital modes in use today by hams? Not so fast, Jim... Actually there was a video from a TV show recently where a ham sending a message via CW got a message through FASTER than a digityal message sent by more modern technical means. I am sure many of us saw that. It was shown on a national televised show. It made me VERY proud of our wonderful Samuel F.B. Morse and his simple code that has so enriched the lives of countless ten thousands of hams! Yes, morse code won the speed test, and this was within the last year or two! Prior to the 1980s code was the preferred method of emergency communications because of reliability. Today that is fluid. There are much faster ways to communicating written messages and instructions now in use. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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The disadvantage that the cell phone text messaging had against cw is that the entire message had to be typed before transmitting, kind of like a store and forward process therefore a lag in data receipt. I don't see how any of the systems Jim mentioned would be any faster if you account for the time it takes to capture the data prior to sending. CW is instant. I think that the whole idea of that contest on the Jay Leno Tonight Show was to demonstrate that some old processes still work well today. But...one thing to consider is that to send a cw message the receiptant must also know cw(thousands of people), whereas I can send a text message on a cell phone to most anyone who speaks the English language (millions of people). Tom K3TVC/nc - Original Message - From: Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic Correct there was Brian, telephone texting vs. good old CW. Wonder how it would have come out if it had been good old CW against good old 100 wpm narrow shift RTTY? How about PSK 31 or any of the other digital modes in use today by hams? Not so fast, Jim... Actually there was a video from a TV show recently where a ham sending a message via CW got a message through FASTER than a digityal message sent by more modern technical means. I am sure many of us saw that. It was shown on a national televised show. It made me VERY proud of our wonderful Samuel F.B. Morse and his simple code that has so enriched the lives of countless ten thousands of hams! Yes, morse code won the speed test, and this was within the last year or two! Prior to the 1980s code was the preferred method of emergency communications because of reliability. Today that is fluid. There are much faster ways to communicating written messages and instructions now in use. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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For good I hope. We have beat this subject to death. You did (or didn't do) what you chose and I and a lot of others did what we wanted. I would be glad to sign /4 if that was the law but it isn't so I don't. 73 OM Bob W6TR in FL - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On 10/13/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back in the late 60's, early 70's. It's sour grapes. How do you figure that, Bob? Someone prefers not to upgrade to a higher license to get a few (until recently) more kcs of spectrum because they feel the test is a give-away? Would the benefit of upgrading be the opportunity to have an Extra Class-only SSB contact with you? I agree that a pre no-code Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat. My feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at least) than a no code Extra. Sounds like you're the one suffering from sour grapes syndrome. How DARE they offer the Extra Class license to those 'lesser' licensees with an easier test?? I've always felt that no code extras should sign /nc when in the Extra part of the bands. That's okay, I've always thought that all hams should append their callsign with the call area they actually reside in, be it a Vanity call they bought or otherwise. Not so long ago, it was the law. And it actually makes sense, more sense than having someone sign /NC so that you can feel somehow superior. Think about it Bob - you wouldn't even need to have the half a brain you suggest the other fellow lacks, to get a 4-area callsign. You could just sign W6TR/4 so folks would have a better idea where that superior signal was coming from. (o: Out. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Use the delete key or learn how to use filters. Sure beats stifling discussions. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How much longer are we going to drag this thread out? My in box is way overloaded! Sounds like the rachet jaws on 3890! 73. John, W4AWM Member AMI __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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From: W7CE [EMAIL PROTECTED] My purpose was to make sure members of the group are aware of the long-established DX window from 3789 to 3800. It is officially 3790 to 3800, but has drifted down an extra kHz in the past few years (those DXers are are real bandwidth hogs -- a whopping 11 kHz for all of them). Yes to be fair, Clay - we DO need those kinds of reminders when venturing down into the nether regions of the bands! 73 - Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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The other alternative could be, no input to any band plan; AM is phone; I'll operate phone wherever my license privileges allow and deal with my adjacent frequencies on a case by case basis. Putting a band plan with AM related info on an AM only web site, means nothing, if the rest of the amateur world knows nothing about it. Pete, wa2cwa You bet Pete, I am sure the editor at QST would be happy to publish it. We would have a better chance at CQ, but in the event that they would not, it would be published. 73 Jim W5JO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Tom, your discourse on the no code licensing was great. I have never looked down at a n/c Extra as being inferior, except in jest, but I can remember having one hell of a time getting my code speed up past 20wpm at the same time I had the theory down pat. They never seemed in sync. I never had to earn my living in the electronics business so the theory was often Greek to me, still is. But understand that a lot of Extras that did have to pass the 20 wpm requirement feel that the FCC or ARRL sold them down the river by eliminating it. Lets face it, the ARRL is really concerned that the Ham Radio hobby is going downhill and that means less sales of product and magazines and they decided that n/c would give the hobby a shot in the arm. They were wrong but it is too late to double back. This hobby is indeed rounding the last turn and the finish line is within sight. Deny this all you want but go to a hamfest and count the young hams. You won't need to even take off your shoes. I usually go to Dayton at least 3 out 5 years and this year the Hamvention attendance was under 20,000. It used to take more than a day to go through the flea market, it was less than 60% full this year and I'll bet that it is even smaller next year. Another indicator of the state of this hobby is the infamous QST magazine. There are issues that contain nothing interesting to hams that have been in the hobby for any length of time. If you scan the Sept issue you can learn how to make a straight key from a door hinge, how to make a UPS that you can buy ready made for under $75 that works better, revisit a extended double zepp that has been in the ARRL Handbook for the last 20 years, a product review of a radio that nobody buys, and a frequency counter. Then comes the final insult; the biggest advertiser in the magazine offers junk for sale, a lot of which are direct copies of other manufacturers' product that are higher priced at least partly because they don't employ prison inmate labor. All this verbiage are my opinions on the state of hobby. Yours may be different, probably are. Have a good day, see on the bands for as long as we have them. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic I see this topic come up so many times during the course of a year so I guess that I should turn in my Extra-light license because I'm not as smart or as worthy as those who think they are better than others because they possess the real license earned back in the good-old days. I'm convinced that they are the same people who walked to school 20 miles each way uphill in the snow while carrying their little sister. I, on the other hand, had to ride a bus about 10 miles...a piece of cake and I didn't learn fortitude. (Plus my little sister sat beside me) I've decided to demand that the FCC require me to learn 50wpm code and have a doctorate in Electrical Engineering instead of just an A.A. in Electronic Technology from my Community College. Of course while I'm at it I will demand that they require ALL Advanced and old-time Extras to learn and prove proficiency on each and every mode of transmission including voice whether they have a desire to use those modes or not.. They will have to speak proper English and use proper punctuation in William Shakespeare style while using voice mode. No hillbilly talk like I hear now on the radio. No African-American, French, German, Italian, or other dialects or accents. They must also demonstrate AM, FM, SSB, LSB,USB, DSB, digital, RTTY, spread spectrum and on and on and on. Since they are so smart they will also have to build every piece of equipment that they use including RTTY printers, and make their own batteries with material mined by them too. After all if they buy a battery then they are lazy. Also, since communication had it's roots in early cultures they must show proficiency on smoke signals and beating logs with sticks. I'm 55 years old and have had to readjust my career to changing times. I worked for 3 companies in 28 years and now 10 companies in the last 4 years within the IT field. It is a different world with much younger people in charge. START ADJUSTING! There is plenty for everyone to enjoy in this hobby and I'm humbled by the learned ones who share their knowledge without desire of receiving platitudes but BORED by those fixated on the code issue especially. 73, Tom K3TVC/nc I signed with the /nc because it matters so much to you real Hams to know that you are better. Oh God, I'm not worthy. hi hi - Original Message - From: Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic
Some where around here I have a mid 1970s license manual. The last time I looked at it, the Advance question pool was about 75 questions and the extra had 90. As a former technical person, I liked the old tests because they did not ask me how long a VE or VEC had to forward paperwork to the FCC. They did not ask something about Earth Stations. But I had to know how to read a meter, calculate parallel/series resistance, what antennas do what. The same information is in the pools today, just in a different format. What they did do is cover the basics in the General, apply further technical language in the Advanced and even further in the Extra. In all of them were rules and regulations to assure the applicant knew where they could operate and with what mode. Prior to the 1980s code was the preferred method of emergency communications because of reliability. Today that is fluid. There are much faster ways to communicating written messages and instructions now in use. With it came the less emphasis on code. Now I consider anyone who holds the Extra as my equal. The fine points of working on gear, understanding intercept points, adjacent channel interference. over modulation/key clicks is not for everyone. The reason - most of our time on the air is fellowship, comradeship and just having a good time. It is when any of the various governmental agencies need communication that we really are needed. Learn the workings of what ever mode you like and become an expert, but most of all be ready to help and cooperate in times of emergencies. That is our primary justification of having frequencies. One other point, the number of licensees has increased over the years. Who cares if they are 15 or 50. Many people who near retirement are discovering the enjoyment of radio and what you are allowed to accomplish. Eventually those youngsters will discover the magic or Ham Radio. 73 Jim W5JO Tom, your discourse on the no code licensing was great. I have never looked down at a n/c Extra as being inferior, except in jest, but I can remember having one hell of a time getting my code speed up past 20wpm at the same time I had the theory down pat. They never seemed in sync. I never had to earn my living in the electronics business so the theory was often Greek to me, still is. But understand that a lot of Extras that did have to pass the 20 wpm requirement feel that the FCC or ARRL sold them down the river by eliminating it. Lets face it, the ARRL is really concerned that the Ham Radio hobby is going downhill and that means less sales of product and magazines and they decided that n/c would give the hobby a shot in the arm. They were wrong but it is too late to double back. This hobby is indeed rounding the last turn and the finish line is within sight. Deny this all you want but go to a hamfest and count the young hams. You won't need to even take off your shoes. I usually go to Dayton at least 3 out 5 years and this year the Hamvention attendance was under 20,000. It used to take more than a day to go through the flea market, it was less than 60% full this year and I'll bet that it is even smaller next year. Another indicator of the state of this hobby is the infamous QST magazine. There are issues that contain nothing interesting to hams that have been in the hobby for any length of time. If you scan the Sept issue you can learn how to make a straight key from a door hinge, how to make a UPS that you can buy ready made for under $75 that works better, revisit a extended double zepp that has been in the ARRL Handbook for the last 20 years, a product review of a radio that nobody buys, and a frequency counter. Then comes the final insult; the biggest advertiser in the magazine offers junk for sale, a lot of which are direct copies of other manufacturers' product that are higher priced at least partly because they don't employ prison inmate labor. All this verbiage are my opinions on the state of hobby. Yours may be different, probably are. Have a good day, see on the bands for as long as we have them. Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I only got my extra so I wouldnt have to remember the band edges, now they moved them. What tudu ?? DE K0NG PS, I dont care if anyone only tested to One WPM, as long as they get on the Air __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Bob, Your reply is appreciated. One of my pet peeves is that this topic seems to always be presented in a shoot the messenger mentality. I did not write the rules but have to live with them. If anyone has any angst about this topic it should be referred to the FCC and ARRL as you mentioned, not with those who happen to test under the rules of their time. See ya on the air! Tom K3TVC/nc - Original Message - From: Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic Tom, your discourse on the no code licensing was great. I have never looked down at a n/c Extra as being inferior, except in jest, but I can remember having one hell of a time getting my code speed up past 20wpm at the same time I had the theory down pat. They never seemed in sync. I never had to earn my living in the electronics business so the theory was often Greek to me, still is. But understand that a lot of Extras that did have to pass the 20 wpm requirement feel that the FCC or ARRL sold them down the river by eliminating it. Lets face it, the ARRL is really concerned that the Ham Radio hobby is going downhill and that means less sales of product and magazines and they decided that n/c would give the hobby a shot in the arm. They were wrong but it is too late to double back. This hobby is indeed rounding the last turn and the finish line is within sight. Deny this all you want but go to a hamfest and count the young hams. You won't need to even take off your shoes. I usually go to Dayton at least 3 out 5 years and this year the Hamvention attendance was under 20,000. It used to take more than a day to go through the flea market, it was less than 60% full this year and I'll bet that it is even smaller next year. Another indicator of the state of this hobby is the infamous QST magazine. There are issues that contain nothing interesting to hams that have been in the hobby for any length of time. If you scan the Sept issue you can learn how to make a straight key from a door hinge, how to make a UPS that you can buy ready made for under $75 that works better, revisit a extended double zepp that has been in the ARRL Handbook for the last 20 years, a product review of a radio that nobody buys, and a frequency counter. Then comes the final insult; the biggest advertiser in the magazine offers junk for sale, a lot of which are direct copies of other manufacturers' product that are higher priced at least partly because they don't employ prison inmate labor. All this verbiage are my opinions on the state of hobby. Yours may be different, probably are. Have a good day, see on the bands for as long as we have them. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic I see this topic come up so many times during the course of a year so I guess that I should turn in my Extra-light license because I'm not as smart or as worthy as those who think they are better than others because they possess the real license earned back in the good-old days. I'm convinced that they are the same people who walked to school 20 miles each way uphill in the snow while carrying their little sister. I, on the other hand, had to ride a bus about 10 miles...a piece of cake and I didn't learn fortitude. (Plus my little sister sat beside me) I've decided to demand that the FCC require me to learn 50wpm code and have a doctorate in Electrical Engineering instead of just an A.A. in Electronic Technology from my Community College. Of course while I'm at it I will demand that they require ALL Advanced and old-time Extras to learn and prove proficiency on each and every mode of transmission including voice whether they have a desire to use those modes or not.. They will have to speak proper English and use proper punctuation in William Shakespeare style while using voice mode. No hillbilly talk like I hear now on the radio. No African-American, French, German, Italian, or other dialects or accents. They must also demonstrate AM, FM, SSB, LSB,USB, DSB, digital, RTTY, spread spectrum and on and on and on. Since they are so smart they will also have to build every piece of equipment that they use including RTTY printers, and make their own batteries with material mined by them too. After all if they buy a battery then they are lazy. Also, since communication had it's roots in early cultures they must show proficiency on smoke signals and beating logs with sticks. I'm 55 years old and have had to readjust my career to changing times. I worked for 3 companies in 28 years and now 10 companies in the last 4 years within the IT field
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Sorry Clay - I cannot grant your wish. DX stations all ove rthe world buy crystals from me. Besides I only have ONE crystal on 3790 kHz. Perhaps sanctions would work? (grin!) Brian, As an active AMer and 75M DXer, I request that you please not offer crystals within 10 KHz of the 75M DX window which is from 3789 to 3800. Its a very small window and many of the signals there are very weak. We know how much we hate it when SSB QSOs start up on top of our QSOs. Let's not do the same to the one portion of 75M where most of the operators are gentlemen who will actually stand by so someone else can work a new country. 73, Clay W7CE - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. For those who would like them, I can offer FT243 crystals on the following lower frequencies: 3615, 3645, 3655, 3686, 3700 kHz 3702, 3703, 3705, 3721, 3790 kHz 3800, 3805, 3810, 3816.8, 3820 kHz 3825, 3830, 3837, 3840 kHz Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Actually no, AM has been used in the region of 3837 kHz for some time, and down around 7160 kHz too - hardly the to of the band. Why do you think it is wrong? Considering the fact that you are outnumbered by 500 to 1 at any given time, I would think it wise to stay up at the top of each band and not go sit in an area where DX is typically found, which is usually at the bottom of each band. Also, since a strong SSB signal can wreak havoc with an AM signal, you're not going to win the battle for the frequency. I operate SSB and AM and I have seen the results of head to head confrontations. Back in the 50's and 60's when SSB was just emerging, they were allocated by gentlemen's agreement to the top of each band because they were the minority. Now AM is the minority so it makes sense for AM'ers to inhabit the top frequencies. Why fight a fight that you can't win? Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:50:11 -0400 Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Going down to the new Extra class freqs is a sure way to fire up the SSB boys. I would suggest widening out your 3880 to plus or minus 20kcs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 500-1? I think you need to get on a bit more often, Bob. AM has made a huge comeback over the last decade, and the 'gentleman's agreement' you mention seems only to be respected by the AMers. Just check 3870 - 3890 any night, you'll hear them trying to make problems. The reason there haven't been AM issues in other areas in only because the AM group tends to stay up above, certainly not because of any agreement. Exactly Tom - he must not be hearing what I'm hearing. Some days it sounds like there are 500 AM stations in the state of GEORGIA alone! __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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From: Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Look at the function switch on most modern HF transceivers, Bob. There is usually a position marked AM. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I can see this is going to be a conversation like a lot you can hear on 75m SSB! NOt very deep - mostly more like: DID DIDN'T! DID TOO! Bob Maser in Tampa writes: Yeah, right. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Icom, Kenwud, Yeasu least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:30:27 -0400 From: Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is a question that does not deserve an answer. But... you did! __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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No problem Brian. In fact I need to order another crystal from you. My purpose was to make sure members of the group are aware of the long-established DX window from 3789 to 3800. It is officially 3790 to 3800, but has drifted down an extra kHz in the past few years (those DXers are are real bandwidth hogs -- a whopping 11 kHz for all of them). For those interested, the window exists because for many years countries like Australia had limited phone capability in the U.S. phone band. In Australia's case, I believe it was only from 3795 to 3800. With the expansion of the U.S. phone band, that may eventually start changing. However, since a lot of DX on 80M is right at the noise level, it is nice to have a small window that is relatively free of rag-chewing and other non-DX related activity. Also, as we all know, the amount of force required to move a group of hams is very large. I have heard talk of attempting NA to Eu AM QSOs in the window. I don't have any problem with this. DX is DX, no matter what mode is used. I believe N7UA, with his 80M, 6 element wire yagi, is planning on trying AM with some Eu stations later this winter. I hope to either have my Johnson Kilowatt fixed or my 20V-2 conversion completed by then so that I can join in. 73, Clay W7CE - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Sorry Clay - I cannot grant your wish. DX stations all ove rthe world buy crystals from me. Besides I only have ONE crystal on 3790 kHz. Perhaps sanctions would work? (grin!) Brian, As an active AMer and 75M DXer, I request that you please not offer crystals within 10 KHz of the 75M DX window which is from 3789 to 3800. Its a very small window and many of the signals there are very weak. We know how much we hate it when SSB QSOs start up on top of our QSOs. Let's not do the same to the one portion of 75M where most of the operators are gentlemen who will actually stand by so someone else can work a new country. 73, Clay W7CE - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. For those who would like them, I can offer FT243 crystals on the following lower frequencies: 3615, 3645, 3655, 3686, 3700 kHz 3702, 3703, 3705, 3721, 3790 kHz 3800, 3805, 3810, 3816.8, 3820 kHz 3825, 3830, 3837, 3840 kHz Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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All this verbiage are my opinions on the state of hobby. Yours may be different, probably are. Have a good day, see on the bands for as long as we have them. Bob W6TR SNIP Well Bob: You said a mouth full and you are correct. I am one of those 20wpm extra's and was a general when all the bands were taken away from me in the late 60's. I guess i have kept that grudge for may years. but i do get on just about every day. Very little SSB any more too much crap and foul mouths and neo-nazis. Use to get on RTTY and still do but AM and CW are my loves now. Yes theARRL did not get the great shot in the arm they wanted Oh it happened for a while when all those who would not put the hard work and time into getting their ticket . we able to get it the New EZ way. but they got bored So the ARRL in their wisdom sic pushed to lower the test again. got a few more to come in who just wanted to guess at the test from the test QA that was passed out. they too dropped out bored. Why ? I really think they if you are given something for nothing you do not value it much. I value my ticket as one of the highest peices of paper i have ! I worked hard for it and I use it every day. again just another old Farts thoughts on the matter. ZUT 73 Tony - Anthony W. DePrato WA4JQS QCWA # 23602 10X # 3621 A1-OP FISTS # 10573 VBA # 55 AMI # 1274 NCDXF # 1036 RNARS # 1309 SKCC # 1227 DXCC PHONE DXCC RTTY DXCC CW Lis. 1962 Calls Held VP8BZL VP8SSI 3Y0PI V31SS ZD8JQS WA4JQS/ZS1 WA4JQS/4K1 WA4JQS/KC4 __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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no its not - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net I can see this is going to be a conversation like a lot you can hear on 75m SSB! NOt very deep - mostly more like: DID DIDN'T! DID TOO! Bob Maser in Tampa writes: Yeah, right. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Icom, Kenwud, Yeasu least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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W7CE wrote: No problem Brian. In fact I need to order another crystal from you. My purpose was to make sure members of the group are aware of the long-established DX window from 3789 to 3800. It is officially 3790 to 3800, but has drifted down an extra kHz in the past few years (those DXers are are real bandwidth hogs -- a whopping 11 kHz for all of them). Actually 3775-3800 according to IARU band plan, however I guess nobody in the US would care. For those interested, the window exists because for many years countries like Australia had limited phone capability in the U.S. phone band. In Australia's case, I believe it was only from 3795 to 3800. With the expansion of the U.S. phone band, that may eventually start changing. However, since a lot of DX on 80M is right at the noise level, it is nice to have a small window that is relatively free of rag-chewing and other non-DX related activity. Also, as we all know, the amount of force required to move a group of hams is very large. I have heard talk of attempting NA to Eu AM QSOs in the window. I don't have any problem with this. DX is DX, no matter what mode is used. I believe N7UA, with his 80M, 6 element wire yagi, is planning on trying AM with some Eu stations later this winter. I hope to either have my Johnson Kilowatt fixed or my 20V-2 conversion completed by then so that I can join in. 73, Clay W7CE By the way, I frequently during the winter hear lots of US AM traffic around 3850-3900, some stations are S-9+ and it wouldn´t be a problem to work them if I just could transmitt up there. In any case I´ll be looking forward to work some of you on 80m AM, might be easier now when everything will be changed around. 73 Jim SM2EKM __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On 10/13/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back in the late 60's, early 70's. It's sour grapes. How do you figure that, Bob? Someone prefers not to upgrade to a higher license to get a few (until recently) more kcs of spectrum because they feel the test is a give-away? Would the benefit of upgrading be the opportunity to have an Extra Class-only SSB contact with you? I agree that a pre no-code Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat. My feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at least) than a no code Extra. Sounds like you're the one suffering from sour grapes syndrome. How DARE they offer the Extra Class license to those 'lesser' licensees with an easier test?? I've always felt that no code extras should sign /nc when in the Extra part of the bands. That's okay, I've always thought that all hams should append their callsign with the call area they actually reside in, be it a Vanity call they bought or otherwise. Not so long ago, it was the law. And it actually makes sense, more sense than having someone sign /NC so that you can feel somehow superior. Think about it Bob - you wouldn't even need to have the half a brain you suggest the other fellow lacks, to get a 4-area callsign. You could just sign W6TR/4 so folks would have a better idea where that superior signal was coming from. (o: Out. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On 10/12/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but I found that talking about how great AM is gets old after a while. If that's what you restrict the conversation to, sure - even I'd get bored, and I'm easily amused. Folks I talk with discuss the rigs they are running, restoring, or building,along with effective antennae, other projects, history, life, etc etc. Listening in to the intercom-type exchanges on SSB causes me to doze if I don't change the dial. Seldom any radio content beyond the latest linear amp, and really not unlike the memories I have of CB where folks used it merely for convenience, not enjoyment. I don't know about you, but I got interested in radio forradio? Now that SSB is the mode of choice for most hams, one gets used to VOX operation and the lock and talk becomes tedious at best. 'Most' in the circles you prefer, Bob. To deny the explosion of popularity in AM in recent years means you're either not paying attention or choose to believe otherwise. I find that when I get on AM(I still have a pristine Valiant and HRO-60), a group gets together and by the time that it gets back around, 20-30 minutes have expired. I was used to this modus operandi back in the 50's but now I prefer a back and forth format. Why not start another conversation on a *different* frequency? This is what I refer to with the tendency by some to 'clump' onto one frequency. With all the AM activity and phone spectrum available, there is no excuse to have those massive roundtables, muchless to stay in one if it bores or otherwise annoys you. Take the lead, don't wait to be led. If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Uh.maybe you missed this Bob, but AM was being left off SSB/CW rigs some years ago including the much-vaunted Collins S-Line, KWM-2, even the first 'super rig' that all the big Yaecomwood riceboxes are modeled after: the KWM-380 (although it at least provided receive capabilities). As AM stabilized and began again to grow years ago, manufacturers began including the mode on their equipment again. They obviously didn't do this because it was cheaper, or unfavorable. BTW, after spending over 100 hrs converting the 20V-3 to 75M, I had big time interference to the neighbors. Yes, wellit's not unlike moving to a gated neighborhood or densely populated development and trying to build an airstrip. Chances are good to excellent that someone will notice and object. The better choice would be to live in an area where neighbors aren't close enough to be a problem, and real radio can be enjoyed. Maybe not as convenient as living in the city or even outskirts, but necessary if you want to run big radios and have something beyond the G5RV or small tribander in the air. It's certainly not for everyone. I have no problems with the Valiant and none with my modern SSB rigs. You probably still cause interference, especially when you run that big SSB signal you eluded to previously. SSB is just a lot harder to identify and trace than the natural human voice. If nothing else Bob, you've at least made it clear why you think those AMers better stay in a little sliver of the bands and tolerate intentional interference from SSB stations. I'm just thankful that everyone else who has responded to this thread sees AM as a standard phone mode entitled to the same treatment as SSB. Seems to go against that 'minority' view you hold of AM. Okay, so it's an AM reflector... 73, and thanks for the banter - hope to work you on AM once I get down there. I'll expect a strapping signal from you, too. (o: ~ Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Where have you been the past 20+ years? Nearly all HF transceivers made to-day include true double-sideband full carrier AM mode, along with SSB, CW and various digital capabilities. There aren't any major manufacturers producing HF rigs that are AM-only for exactly the same reason they aren't producing SSB-only or CW only rigs. (I'm not talking about little single-mode QRP kits.) Don k4kyv __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I guess I should have specified plate modulated AM transmitters. You are right, my FT1000 Mark V does have the ability to go on AM but it also goes on FM, RTTY and PKT. I wonder how many people use these modern day transceivers on these modes. Let's stop this thread. Now with the expansion of usable frequencies on 75/80, us Extras can go down and play radio where the other lesser licensed can't go. On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Where have you been the past 20+ years? Nearly all HF transceivers made to-day include true double-sideband full carrier AM mode, along with SSB, CW and various digital capabilities. There aren't any major manufacturers producing HF rigs that are AM-only for exactly the same reason they aren't producing SSB-only or CW only rigs. (I'm not talking about little single-mode QRP kits.) Don k4kyv __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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After reading this reply to AM thread, I was wondring where you have been the last 20+ years??? The modern HF trranscievers do have a LOW LEVEL form of am transmission. Unfortunately it is no comparison to the old Plate Modulated Boat anchors . It's like some one who restores old cars. They don't make those either but they are still pretty popular don't you agree?? No one says they can't drive on the street. They are a relic of the past technology. As far as having a special window of operation for this mode of transmission, I think that this is not necessary. Just having things the way they are now with an agreement among the amateur community is much better than having the FCC getting more involved with amateur radio than they already are. We should be careful what we ask for. We just might get it Can't we all just get along! lol Joe KK4TR - Original Message - From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Where have you been the past 20+ years? Nearly all HF transceivers made to-day include true double-sideband full carrier AM mode, along with SSB, CW and various digital capabilities. There aren't any major manufacturers producing HF rigs that are AM-only for exactly the same reason they aren't producing SSB-only or CW only rigs. (I'm not talking about little single-mode QRP kits.) Don k4kyv __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On Thursday 12 October 2006, Bob Maser wrote: once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. and Considering the fact that you are outnumbered by 500 to 1 at any given time, I would think it wise to stay up at the top of each band and I would go up against the best with my SSB signal Why would anyone who thinks this way subscribe to the AMRadio reflector? I guess to tell everyone about... my 20V2 and 20V3 and my FT1000 Mark V and I have a pristine Valiant and HRO-60 I doubt that anyone is impressed. Perhaps there is a CQContest-59-59 list that would be more interesting than us old AMer's. Kent/KA5MIR ...someone who actually -LIKES- AM Radio AND talks to the same people more than once... __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Well expressed, my good friend! 73 Brian - w5ami On 10/13/06, KA5MIR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 October 2006, Bob Maser wrote: once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. and Considering the fact that you are outnumbered by 500 to 1 at any given time, I would think it wise to stay up at the top of each band and I would go up against the best with my SSB signal Why would anyone who thinks this way subscribe to the AMRadio reflector? I guess to tell everyone about... my 20V2 and 20V3 and my FT1000 Mark V and I have a pristine Valiant and HRO-60 I doubt that anyone is impressed. Perhaps there is a CQContest-59-59 list that would be more interesting than us old AMer's. Kent/KA5MIR ...someone who actually -LIKES- AM Radio AND talks to the same people more than once... __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net -- There is nothing more uncommon than common sense. -- Frank Lloyd Wright __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Looks like the ARRL is looking for guidance on a revised band plan. E-mail comments to them by October 31. For more info see: http://www.remote.arrl.org/?artid=6864 Now's a good time to get your input in on band restructuring for 80, 40, and 15 meters. Pete, wa2cwa __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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. On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Bob, I think the General portion is the primary location because there are some very adept and nice General operators who, for one reason or another, just haven't upgraded. Therefore, most calling frequencies or Windows are in the General portion as are most nets. When someone starts a net or other group, they want maximum participation, and if it is in the Advanced or Extra portion of the bands, you limit the number of participants.. When I make a contact, I tend to freeze on frequency and not check to see if the other guy can move, which is silly of me. Maybe now with the exansion, we will all take a second look at out operating practices. 73 Jim W5JO. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Bob Maser wrote: On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated Why bother? It is my understanding that soon all Advanced operators will be automatically upgraded to Extra. The real question is what is the point of Extra Class? Why not just downgrade us to Advanced? The whole program is totally stupid these days. As with all hobbies, this one thrives on magazines, advertising, equipment sales and job programs for promoters. The best interests of the hobbiest are not a very high priority. js -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Boy Pete, I hope they don't try to run things for us all this time. I am against any band plan at present until we see who and what operation moves there. If they do anything, they should concentrate getting the OOs to monitor for intentional interference. That is rampant and going to get worse this winter. - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Looks like the ARRL is looking for guidance on a revised band plan. E-mail comments to them by October 31. For more info see: http://www.remote.arrl.org/?artid=6864 Now's a good time to get your input in on band restructuring for 80, 40, and 15 meters. Pete, wa2cwa __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Because with your 1968 Advanced you cannot go to the Extra Only Frequencies. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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With all the email flying back and forth on band expansion, etc., it is no wonder that AM activity on 75/40 meters is sadly lacking. Please no flames! Just wanted to make a point that we need to give our fingers a rest and grab a mike. Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3.805 Mhz every Monday at 8 PM EDST and 14.253 Mhz every Saturday at 12 Noon EDST Collins Chatroom - Daily at 4 PM EDST on 7.203 Mhz - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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That is a question that does not deserve an answer. - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back in the late 60's, early 70's. It's sour grapes. I agree that a pre no-code Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat. My feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at least) than a no code Extra. I've always felt that no code extras should sign /nc when in the Extra part of the bands. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Because with your 1968 Advanced you cannot go to the Extra Only Frequencies. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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This has already been rejected by the FCC along with the resurrection of a Novice type license class. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:56:26 -0600 Jack Schmidling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why bother? It is my understanding that soon all Advanced operators will be automatically upgraded to Extra. PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Hi Dave, I think you need to check your antenna ??? I hear lot's of AM activity on 75m (I have to admit I am not on 40m much) Saturday morning The Midwest Classic Radio Net on 3885 run by Rob WA9ZTY is on for 2-3 three hours at least. Sunday morning The DX-60 net goes on for a number of hours on 3880 run by Mike N8ECR Wednesday evenings on the First Wednesday of every month on 3880 The Collins Collectors Association runs their AM Night for 5-6 hours. On all the other Wednesdays Mike N8ECR runs the Mighty Elmac net that runs for three plus hours On every Tuesday evening the SAMRC run by Andy WA4KCY and Sam KF4TXQ run a swap net that I can even checkin to from Central Illinois goes on for a number of hours. Plus in the mornings 3885, 3880 and others are busy with AM QSO's until mid morning. Plunk dow a couple of bucks an but an issue of Electric Radio and not only see some great articles but also get a listing of all the AM nets, swaps and rag chews that go on across this great nation ON AM! There are a lot listed! And probably many more happening. 73 Larry WA9VRH Collins Collectors Association Archive Manager Collins Collectors Association AM Night Manager Just someone who loves operating AM no matter what rig! - Original Message - From: david knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion With all the email flying back and forth on band expansion, etc., it is no wonder that AM activity on 75/40 meters is sadly lacking. Please no flames! Just wanted to make a point that we need to give our fingers a rest and grab a mike. Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3.805 Mhz every Monday at 8 PM EDST and 14.253 Mhz every Saturday at 12 Noon EDST Collins Chatroom - Daily at 4 PM EDST on 7.203 Mhz - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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If I had to take a guess at least for 80 meters, since their bandwidth proposal is in limbo for some indeterminate time, is that their plan is going to revolve around phone, wide digital, CW, and narrow digital. CW and narrow digital stuff can reasonably coexist together. The traditional phone band plan has already been defined. Somewhere between existing phone and CW areas, the wide digital is going to be defined along with other stuff. Depending on who makes the best and loudest pitch, ESSB and AM will look for more defined areas, DX'ers will probably look for a bigger window, disaster and emergency management groups will look for more define frequencies with a surrounding safe area. Personally, I believe windows are counterproductive and literally lock you out from easily operating in the rest of the band, with people pointing fingers and raising a fuss, if you deviate from it I don't operate 40 and 15 meters enough to even venture a guess on a band plan but I bet it will also be a similar split of modes (phone, wide digital, narrow digital/CW). ARRL is looking for as much input as we can muster. Without it, they will blindly reach into the hat and define a new band plan. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:19:03 -0500 Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Boy Pete, I hope they don't try to run things for us all this time. I am against any band plan at present until we see who and what operation moves there. If they do anything, they should concentrate getting the OOs to monitor for intentional interference. That is rampant and going to get worse this winter. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Pete said: ARR(gghh)L is looking for as much input as we can muster. Without it, they will blindly reach into the hat and define a new band plan. Pete, wa2cwa Yeah, right Pete. Like they are going to listen to what the populice has to say, LOL. Chances are they WILL blindly reach into the hat a define a new band plan. But what difference does that make? They don't even follow their OWN band plan. I submit their insistance at broadcasting, (yes just like KA1MAN!) their crap on SSB on 40M smack where they advise AM operation. I remember a time when they asked for input, and this is back when I was a (be)League(d) member. I gave input along with alot of other members. What did they do? They did exactly the opposite of what the majority advised. Once bitten, twice shy! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Yeah, I remember when Ten-Tec said that AM was archaic. The AM guys let them know how they felt, and now even Ten-Tec sells transceivers with AM capability.But, IMHO, the best AM is from tube gear. That is why I have a DX-60 and a Globe Scout 65. Joe W4AAB - Original Message - From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Where have you been the past 20+ years? Nearly all HF transceivers made to-day include true double-sideband full carrier AM mode, along with SSB, CW and various digital capabilities. There aren't any major manufacturers producing HF rigs that are AM-only for exactly the same reason they aren't producing SSB-only or CW only rigs. (I'm not talking about little single-mode QRP kits.) Don k4kyv __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Old and dead news with the 7290 bulletin frequency. Max. 10 minutes a day at 9:45 PM EST. And 7290 is only designated as an AM Calling frequency. Maybe they should just remove it from their band plan. Fine your feelings about input. I'm sure no input is also input to them. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:40:38 -0400 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They don't even follow their OWN band plan. I submit their insistance at broadcasting, (yes just like KA1MAN!) their crap on SSB on 40M smack where they advise AM operation. I remember a time when they asked for input, and this is back when I was a (be)League(d) member. I gave input along with alot of other members. What did they do? They did exactly the opposite of what the majority advised. Once bitten, twice shy! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Your a great guy, Bob. It's good to know I can go to you for ALL the answers. Darrell, WA5VGO At 07:35 PM 10/13/2006 -0400, you wrote: Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back in the late 60's, early 70's. It's sour grapes. I agree that a pre no-code Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat. My feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at least) than a no code Extra. I've always felt that no code extras should sign /nc when in the Extra part of the bands. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Because with your 1968 Advanced you cannot go to the Extra Only Frequencies. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I would suggest that another group develop a band plan, for example there has been discussion of using AM on some of the lower frequencies that are to become available. It could then be published on one or more of the AM sites. It would behoove the ARRL to really consider where they suggest putting that wide band digital stuff. In an emergency situation they could go anywhere they choose but otherwise they should not be given preference by a band plan. An attempt to carve up the band at this point would be counter productive 73 Jim W5JO Yeah, right Pete. Like they are going to listen to what the populice has to say, LOL. Chances are they WILL blindly reach into the hat a define a new band plan. But what difference does that make? Mike(y) W3SLK __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Anytime sport - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Your a great guy, Bob. It's good to know I can go to you for ALL the answers. Darrell, WA5VGO At 07:35 PM 10/13/2006 -0400, you wrote: Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back in the late 60's, early 70's. It's sour grapes. I agree that a pre no-code Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat. My feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at least) than a no code Extra. I've always felt that no code extras should sign /nc when in the Extra part of the bands. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Because with your 1968 Advanced you cannot go to the Extra Only Frequencies. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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How do you find time for ham radio? I figure a guy of your caliber would be too busy with more important things. Like solving world hunger or finding a cure for cancer. At 09:23 PM 10/13/2006 -0400, you wrote: Anytime sport - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Your a great guy, Bob. It's good to know I can go to you for ALL the answers. Darrell, WA5VGO At 07:35 PM 10/13/2006 -0400, you wrote: Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back in the late 60's, early 70's. It's sour grapes. I agree that a pre no-code Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat. My feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at least) than a no code Extra. I've always felt that no code extras should sign /nc when in the Extra part of the bands. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Because with your 1968 Advanced you cannot go to the Extra Only Frequencies. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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The other alternative could be, no input to any band plan; AM is phone; I'll operate phone wherever my license privileges allow and deal with my adjacent frequencies on a case by case basis. Putting a band plan with AM related info on an AM only web site, means nothing, if the rest of the amateur world knows nothing about it. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:20:26 -0500 Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would suggest that another group develop a band plan, for example there has been discussion of using AM on some of the lower frequencies that are to become available. It could then be published on one or more of the AM sites. It would behoove the ARRL to really consider where they suggest putting that wide band digital stuff. In an emergency situation they could go anywhere they choose but otherwise they should not be given preference by a band plan. An attempt to carve up the band at this point would be counter productive 73 Jim W5JO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Pete said: The other alternative could be, no input to any band plan; AM is phone; I'll operate phone wherever my license privileges allow and deal with my adjacent frequencies on a case by case basis. Pete, wa2cwa Wow! Now there is a statement we can both agree on ;) Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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How much longer are we going to drag this thread out? My in box is way overloaded! Sounds like the rachet jaws on 3890! 73. John, W4AWM Member AMI __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Yeah, but I've never met a Texan that would listen. - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Your a great guy, Bob. It's good to know I can go to you for ALL the answers. Darrell, WA5VGO At 07:35 PM 10/13/2006 -0400, you wrote: Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back in the late 60's, early 70's. It's sour grapes. I agree that a pre no-code Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat. My feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at least) than a no code Extra. I've always felt that no code extras should sign /nc when in the Extra part of the bands. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Because with your 1968 Advanced you cannot go to the Extra Only Frequencies. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I see this topic come up so many times during the course of a year so I guess that I should turn in my Extra-light license because I'm not as smart or as worthy as those who think they are better than others because they possess the real license earned back in the good-old days. I'm convinced that they are the same people who walked to school 20 miles each way uphill in the snow while carrying their little sister. I, on the other hand, had to ride a bus about 10 miles...a piece of cake and I didn't learn fortitude. (Plus my little sister sat beside me) I've decided to demand that the FCC require me to learn 50wpm code and have a doctorate in Electrical Engineering instead of just an A.A. in Electronic Technology from my Community College. Of course while I'm at it I will demand that they require ALL Advanced and old-time Extras to learn and prove proficiency on each and every mode of transmission including voice whether they have a desire to use those modes or not.. They will have to speak proper English and use proper punctuation in William Shakespeare style while using voice mode. No hillbilly talk like I hear now on the radio. No African-American, French, German, Italian, or other dialects or accents. They must also demonstrate AM, FM, SSB, LSB,USB, DSB, digital, RTTY, spread spectrum and on and on and on. Since they are so smart they will also have to build every piece of equipment that they use including RTTY printers, and make their own batteries with material mined by them too. After all if they buy a battery then they are lazy. Also, since communication had it's roots in early cultures they must show proficiency on smoke signals and beating logs with sticks. I'm 55 years old and have had to readjust my career to changing times. I worked for 3 companies in 28 years and now 10 companies in the last 4 years within the IT field. It is a different world with much younger people in charge. START ADJUSTING! There is plenty for everyone to enjoy in this hobby and I'm humbled by the learned ones who share their knowledge without desire of receiving platitudes but BORED by those fixated on the code issue especially. 73, Tom K3TVC/nc I signed with the /nc because it matters so much to you real Hams to know that you are better. Oh God, I'm not worthy. hi hi - Original Message - From: Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back in the late 60's, early 70's. It's sour grapes. I agree that a pre no-code Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat. My feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at least) than a no code Extra. I've always felt that no code extras should sign /nc when in the Extra part of the bands. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Because with your 1968 Advanced you cannot go to the Extra Only Frequencies. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Darrell, WA5VGO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On that subject, I can't understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra written exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated. My, it's so easy to get on radio these days. Bob W6TR Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra? Darrell, WA5VGO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I signed with the /nc because it matters so much to you real Hams to know that you are better. Oh God, I'm not worthy. hi hi Its nice to know that some still know there place .. klc - Original Message - From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, October 14, 2006 0:37 am Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net I see this topic come up so many times during the course of a year __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. For those who would like them, I can offer FT243 crystals on the following lower frequencies: 3615, 3645, 3655, 3686, 3700 kHz 3702, 3703, 3705, 3721, 3790 kHz 3800, 3805, 3810, 3816.8, 3820 kHz 3825, 3830, 3837, 3840 kHz Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
It's about time! Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3.805 Mhz every Monday at 8 PM EDST and 14.253 Mhz every Saturday at 12 Noon EDST Collins Chatroom - Daily at 4 PM EDST on 7.203 Mhz - Original Message - From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:45 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Up to an extra 150 kc/s for phone on 75 m for Extra class. 75m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 3850-4000 3775-4000 3750-4000 New 3800-4000 3700-4000 3600-4000 Increase 50 75150 40m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 7225-73007150-73007150-7300 New 7175-73007125-73007125-7300 Increase5025 25 Much better than anything I had anticipated, but we are still left with a cumbersome matrix of subbands based on operator class combined with emission mode. Considering the relief in congestion we have already experienced due to the general decline in amateur activity in recent years, there should be plenty of room for all on 75m, without the griping about AM taking up too much room on the crowded band. Of course, if the FCC eventually eliminates the code requirement, expect an initial spike in activity as hoards of no-code Techs upgrade, but after the initial spike I predict a return to stagnant growth. There should still be plenty of room for AM activity. Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. I have looked over the R O, but I am not sure if it means that 3600-3700 is restricted to Extra class for all modes, or just that Extras can now use phone in the segment. How this will affect non-voice licence class restrictions is not made entirely clear in the FCC document: 12. Regarding the division among license classes of the spectrum on which we today authorize phone emissions, we adopt the Commission's proposal to authorize stations of General Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3800-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 50 kHz the spectrum for voice communications by these stations. Because we have decided to authorize more 75 m spectrum for voice communications than was proposed in the NPRM, we also authorize stations of Advanced Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3700-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 75 kHz the amount of spectrum for voice communications by these stations. We also authorize stations of Amateur Extra Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3600-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 150 kHz the spectrum authorized to these stations for voice communications. In the 40 m and 15 m bands, we adopt the Commission's proposal to authorize stations of Amateur Extra and Advanced Class licensees 7125-7300 kHz, stations of General Class licensees 7175-7300 kHz, and stations of General Class licensees 21275-21450 kHz for phone communications. If Generals and above will still be able to use 3600-3700 for non-voice modes, expect digital modes to continue to operate in this segment. I suspect that may be the reason such a big hunk was set aside for Extras - to limit phone activity in that region of the band so that some of the digital stuff can continue on those frequencies. Although the thinking of government agencies is extremely unpredictable, this doesn't look well for the ARRL's bandwidth proposal. If the FCC were seriously considering limitations by bandwidth any time soon, it is unlikely they would have gone to all the trouble to work out this plan, only to have to revise it in the near future to accomodate subbands-by-bandwidth. Looks like we'll soon be able to join the Canadians in their AM Window on 3720. The change is expected to go into effect sometime in mid-November. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdf ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Brian, As an active AMer and 75M DXer, I request that you please not offer crystals within 10 KHz of the 75M DX window which is from 3789 to 3800. Its a very small window and many of the signals there are very weak. We know how much we hate it when SSB QSOs start up on top of our QSOs. Let's not do the same to the one portion of 75M where most of the operators are gentlemen who will actually stand by so someone else can work a new country. 73, Clay W7CE - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. For those who would like them, I can offer FT243 crystals on the following lower frequencies: 3615, 3645, 3655, 3686, 3700 kHz 3702, 3703, 3705, 3721, 3790 kHz 3800, 3805, 3810, 3816.8, 3820 kHz 3825, 3830, 3837, 3840 kHz Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I wonder if the FCC plan is to trade us the bandwidth for BPL sharing. They are really being stupid about this BPL thing. There must be a lot of money and big company push involved. John, WA5BXO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Come on John, money playing a part in a stupid decision like this? Surely you jest. 73 Jim W5JO I wonder if the FCC plan is to trade us the bandwidth for BPL sharing. They are really being stupid about this BPL thing. There must be a lot of money and big company push involved. John, WA5BXO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Yeah... Jim... I agree. I've never heard of money influencing the outcome of a political decision! ;-) Rick Jim Wilhite wrote: Come on John, money playing a part in a stupid decision like this? Surely you jest. 73 Jim W5JO I wonder if the FCC plan is to trade us the bandwidth for BPL sharing. They are really being stupid about this BPL thing. There must be a lot of money and big company push involved. John, WA5BXO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Going down to the new Extra class freqs is a sure way to fire up the SSB boys. I would suggest widening out your 3880 to plus or minus 20kcs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. For those who would like them, I can offer FT243 crystals on the following lower frequencies: 3615, 3645, 3655, 3686, 3700 kHz 3702, 3703, 3705, 3721, 3790 kHz 3800, 3805, 3810, 3816.8, 3820 kHz 3825, 3830, 3837, 3840 kHz Brian, AF4K __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:50:11 -0400 Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Going down to the new Extra class freqs is a sure way to fire up the SSB boys. I would suggest widening out your 3880 to plus or minus 20kcs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On 10/12/06, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. I agree with your approach Pete, except for the AM band plan part. The ARRL doesn't even respect its own band plan on 40m and fires up its bulletin service right smack on the AM calling frequency, so I don't hold out any hope that their way will be anything but more of the same. Use it all, phone is phone. It's not like the SSB users have any respect for the so-called AM window. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Considering the fact that you are outnumbered by 500 to 1 at any given time, I would think it wise to stay up at the top of each band and not go sit in an area where DX is typically found, which is usually at the bottom of each band. Also, since a strong SSB signal can wreak havoc with an AM signal, you're not going to win the battle for the frequency. I operate SSB and AM and I have seen the results of head to head confrontations. Back in the 50's and 60's when SSB was just emerging, they were allocated by gentlemen's agreement to the top of each band because they were the minority. Now AM is the minority so it makes sense for AM'ers to inhabit the top frequencies. Why fight a fight that you can't win? Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:50:11 -0400 Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Going down to the new Extra class freqs is a sure way to fire up the SSB boys. I would suggest widening out your 3880 to plus or minus 20kcs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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You said it, phone is phone; AM is phone; Calling frequency was also not defined as a QSO frequency but I know what you mean. Since all these changes to FCC's Part 97 Rules were actually accepted by the FCC two years ago, the ARRL has had that much time to formulate a revised band plan to take the changes into consideration. Will probably also include some of the stuff they presented in their Bandwidth Proposal. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:27:11 -0400 Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/12/06, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. I agree with your approach Pete, except for the AM band plan part. The ARRL doesn't even respect its own band plan on 40m and fires up its bulletin service right smack on the AM calling frequency, so I don't hold out any hope that their way will be anything but more of the same. Use it all, phone is phone. It's not like the SSB users have any respect for the so-called AM window. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
On 10/12/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Back in the 50's and 60's when SSB was just emerging, they were allocated by gentlemen's agreement to the top of each band because they were the minority. Now AM is the minority so it makes sense for AM'ers to inhabit the top frequencies. Why fight a fight that you can't win? 500-1? I think you need to get on a bit more often, Bob. AM has made a huge comeback over the last decade, and the 'gentleman's agreement' you mention seems only to be respected by the AMers. Just check 3870 - 3890 any night, you'll hear them trying to make problems. The reason there haven't been AM issues in other areas in only because the AM group tends to stay up above, certainly not because of any agreement. And as far as battles go, the strapping AM signals win out everytime. If you're pissweak, you're covered up - regardless of mode. Up here in the northeast, AMers make full use of the 'window' as well as other phone frequencies. Which is why the impending move to Florida concerns me a bit. All I've heard about down there is that 'the SSB guys won't let us operate anywhere but 3885' or 'you need to get on in the morning' etc. AM continues to grow as more and more people discover its pleasant sound and hands-on 'real radio' approach. The more AMers get on and use the spectrum, the more AM will grow. Fortunately Bob, there are some good AM signals soon to be on the air down your way, and others on the way down. Fear not, AM will thrive. We just need to get people off their sofas and on the air. (o: ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I am in the Tampa area. The reason I sold my 20V2 and 20V3 was once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. I don't usually get on in the morning so I don't know what type of activity is on 75. I really don't think that it's too smart to put an AM signal on 3795 in the evening. You(we) are still the minority, you can question the ratio, but since all AM'ers do is lock and talk and hardly ever chase DX, why would you even consider going into the DX part of the bands. AM'ers need friends, not enemies. BTW, I don't know what you define as a strapping signal but I would go up against the best with my SSB signal, especially in the DX window. If you want to set up a schedule sometime, let's see who gets heard on a common frequency out to the mid west. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion On 10/12/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Back in the 50's and 60's when SSB was just emerging, they were allocated by gentlemen's agreement to the top of each band because they were the minority. Now AM is the minority so it makes sense for AM'ers to inhabit the top frequencies. Why fight a fight that you can't win? 500-1? I think you need to get on a bit more often, Bob. AM has made a huge comeback over the last decade, and the 'gentleman's agreement' you mention seems only to be respected by the AMers. Just check 3870 - 3890 any night, you'll hear them trying to make problems. The reason there haven't been AM issues in other areas in only because the AM group tends to stay up above, certainly not because of any agreement. And as far as battles go, the strapping AM signals win out everytime. If you're pissweak, you're covered up - regardless of mode. Up here in the northeast, AMers make full use of the 'window' as well as other phone frequencies. Which is why the impending move to Florida concerns me a bit. All I've heard about down there is that 'the SSB guys won't let us operate anywhere but 3885' or 'you need to get on in the morning' etc. AM continues to grow as more and more people discover its pleasant sound and hands-on 'real radio' approach. The more AMers get on and use the spectrum, the more AM will grow. Fortunately Bob, there are some good AM signals soon to be on the air down your way, and others on the way down. Fear not, AM will thrive. We just need to get people off their sofas and on the air. (o: ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Just think! If you set up down in the very low part, we can claim we have been there since time began. It's our frequency. 73 Jim W5JO Use it all, phone is phone. It's not like the SSB users have any respect for the so-called AM window. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Pete in this case, I don't plan to follow the ARRL's suggestions. As a member, I see good and bad, but I sure don't see them having any official say over where we can operate. As Todd has said, phone is phone. If we start protecting this and that, then the AM operator will have 10 Kcs and that is all. It is pretty clear to me the FCC believes the CW, RTTY, and digital modes can co-exist between 3.5 and 3.6 The new part is to eliminate congestion. Let's use it. 73 Jim W5JO - You said it, phone is phone; AM is phone; Calling frequency was also not defined as a QSO frequency but I know what you mean. Since all these changes to FCC's Part 97 Rules were actually accepted by the FCC two years ago, the ARRL has had that much time to formulate a revised band plan to take the changes into consideration. Will probably also include some of the stuff they presented in their Bandwidth Proposal. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:27:11 -0400 Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/12/06, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. I agree with your approach Pete, except for the AM band plan part. The ARRL doesn't even respect its own band plan on 40m and fires up its bulletin service right smack on the AM calling frequency, so I don't hold out any hope that their way will be anything but more of the same. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Hi Jim, Although you don't specifically mention it --- like someone else did previously --- I think it would be MOST foolhardy for any AM'er to plop himself down start with the ol' buzzardry stuff in the vicinity of 3.780- 3.8-MHz...yeah, the traditional DX window... It's not always for the benefit of domestic SSB'ers that such windows exist --- in many cases, DX stations have but a sliver of spectrum space on some bands that's available/useable: North American DX-types have tried to accommodate them through these windows. The DX stations benefit from these arrangements just as much as the W/K/VE crowd does. I think the last thing anyone would want to incur is the wrath of the entire global DX community coming down upon them, merely because it's their ...legal right to do something! ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ - Original Message - From: Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Pete in this case, I don't plan to follow the ARRL's suggestions. As a member, I see good and bad, but I sure don't see them having any official say over where we can operate. As Todd has said, phone is phone. If we start protecting this and that, then the AM operator will have 10 Kcs and that is all. It is pretty clear to me the FCC believes the CW, RTTY, and digital modes can co-exist between 3.5 and 3.6 The new part is to eliminate congestion. Let's use it. 73 Jim W5JO - You said it, phone is phone; AM is phone; Calling frequency was also not defined as a QSO frequency but I know what you mean. Since all these changes to FCC's Part 97 Rules were actually accepted by the FCC two years ago, the ARRL has had that much time to formulate a revised band plan to take the changes into consideration. Will probably also include some of the stuff they presented in their Bandwidth Proposal. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:27:11 -0400 Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/12/06, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the same mistake they did 25 to 30 years ago by defining an AM pen area. AM is phone; use it wherever your license class allows. Or, maybe all can wait for the ARRL Band Plan. I agree with your approach Pete, except for the AM band plan part. The ARRL doesn't even respect its own band plan on 40m and fires up its bulletin service right smack on the AM calling frequency, so I don't hold out any hope that their way will be anything but more of the same. __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On 10/12/06, Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the Tampa area. The reason I sold my 20V2 and 20V3 was once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. Done? How.sad. What's next, digital? Sounds a lot like corntesting to me. Work 'em once and move on. No wonder you get bored. I really don't think that it's too smart to put an AM signal on 3795 in the evening. You(we) are still the minority, you can question the ratio, but since all AM'ers do is lock and talk and hardly ever chase DX, why would you even consider going into the DX part of the bands. I'm not in favor of invading the DX window on any band, I enjoy DX as well as the next guy and I also have (s) a nice old SSB station. It just gets very little use because once you've quacked, you're done. I prefer AM and old gear, it's more fun for me. But using your reasoning, why would any SSB station want to even consider going into the AM portion of the band? I don't advise that either, but it happens all the time. Agreements only work if all parties abide by them, and since that's not likely to happen with the SSB group anytime soon, where's the issue? AMers stay in the ghetto, while everyone else is free to transmit where they please, even at the expense of AM operation? Not likely. AM'ers need friends, not enemies. Just spent a great weekend with many of them at Hosstraders hamfest. 30-40 of them at least - and I've worked many of them multiple times. Sorry, I didn't know that after the first time I was 'done', Bob. BTW, I don't know what you define as a strapping signal but I would go up against the best with my SSB signal, especially in the DX window. If you want to set up a schedule sometime, let's see who gets heard on a common frequency out to the mid west. Nah, I never got into the d**k measuring aspect of this hobby. I leave that to the guys with Leenyars and corntest certificates. I've got an Alpha 77, it sits in the corner collecting dust and holding down the house. But! I did get out from little old VT to southern OK and Arkansas a week or so back, and enjoyed it emmensely. That's like DX to a lowly AMer who needs friends, sortakinda. 73, Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On 10/12/06, Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just think! If you set up down in the very low part, we can claim we have been there since time began. It's our frequency. Good idea!! We could have a corntest too, or better still, Jim - a NET! Because once you have a net, the frequency is yours to keep. 3685I like the sound of it. It was great working you, Jim - can't wait to do it again. Heard you and Brian in there a few times in the last week or so, but was busy working on other projects. Hopefully the static will quiet down tonight. That's the only thing that can raise hell with a good AM signal. 73, Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On 10/12/06, Ed Swynar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although you don't specifically mention it --- like someone else did previously --- I think it would be MOST foolhardy for any AM'er to plop himself down start with the ol' buzzardry stuff in the vicinity of 3.780- 3.8-MHz...yeah, the traditional DX window... I totally agree, Ed. Besides, DX is pretty interesting and challenging in its own right. I think Jim is speaking more in general, mainly that AM shouldn't feel confined to a closet so that another group can have free reign anywhere they like. It's not always for the benefit of domestic SSB'ers that such windows exist --- in many cases, DX stations have but a sliver of spectrum space on some bands that's available/useable: North American DX-types have tried to accommodate them through these windows. The DX stations benefit from these arrangements just as much as the W/K/VE crowd does. A lot of the AMers up here in the northeast actually work DX in the window regularly via SSB and some have even played with AM DX a bit. K1JJ and others have some incredible antenna arrays set up for the DX window and make regular contacts with our friends across the pond. I'm looking forward to it myself this winter. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Todd wrote:
once you've quacked, you're done.
That's too funny ... I will be laughing about that one all night!
73 - Theo K4MO
('quacking' since 1965)
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Could the reason for the DX window from 3.780-3.8 be because some ITU regions are not be licensed to operate above 3.8? I remember when even the US stations couldn't go below 3.8. So given, couldn't the DX window be moved to the low end of the band? Not that I suggest upsetting some SSBer's apple cart, but now that U.S. hams can go all the way to 3.6, that gives a lot of space for DX operation. In fact, we might see a lot of cross region operation, and with the growing popularity of AM on the European continent, we might actually hear some AM DX on the band this winter. 73 Jim W5JO Hi Jim, Although you don't specifically mention it --- like someone else did previously --- I think it would be MOST foolhardy for any AM'er to plop himself down start with the ol' buzzardry stuff in the vicinity of 3.780- 3.8-MHz...yeah, the traditional DX window... It's not always for the benefit of domestic SSB'ers that such windows exist --- in many cases, DX stations have but a sliver of spectrum space on some bands that's available/useable: North American DX-types have tried to accommodate them through these windows. The DX stations benefit from these arrangements just as much as the W/K/VE crowd does. I think the last thing anyone would want to incur is the wrath of the entire global DX community coming down upon them, merely because it's their ...legal right to do something! ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Hey Todd, do you suppose we could start a net and register it with the ARRL National Traffic System? I believe the FCC took a line from that old movie series by the 3 Stooges by saying, Spread Out If we formed a couple of NTS recognized nets and published frequencies, we would have the right to the frequency according to the de facto rules. We just need to be vigilant to be sure the ARRL doesn't try to hog it all for some particular group. I am looking forward to working a bunch of guys up in your current location this winter and I hope you bore a hole through all the Aflack bunch down in FL. WW9W in FL does get on when the static isn't too bad and we hear him with just 100 watts. So chances are good. Move carefully. 73 Jim W5JO Good idea!! We could have a corntest too, or better still, Jim - a NET! Because once you have a net, the frequency is yours to keep. 3685I like the sound of it. It was great working you, Jim - can't wait to do it again. Heard you and Brian in there a few times in the last week or so, but was busy working on other projects. Hopefully the static will quiet down tonight. That's the only thing that can raise hell with a good AM signal. 73, Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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On 10/12/06, Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Todd, do you suppose we could start a net and register it with the ARRL National Traffic System? Well, considering that 99% of today's nets have nothing to do with emergency comms or passing traffic, it seems foolish that they get any attention paid to them by the ARRL or the FCC. I still contend that it's just a way to reserve a frequency for ragchewing. Giving it an official-sounding name and coming back regularly doesn't change a thing. Nothing against ragchewing (I enjoy it), but let's call it what it is and not try to make it into something it's not. I am looking forward to working a bunch of guys up in your current location this winter and I hope you bore a hole through all the Aflack bunch down in FL. WW9W in FL does get on when the static isn't too bad and we hear him with just 100 watts. So chances are good. Move carefully. I spoke with Robert last week, maybe a week ago last Sunday. He had a good signal up this way on his Beastly 610. Dan, W9GOB joined us from Chicago. Also talked with Warren W1GUD when he was up at Tim's place over the weekend. There's no reason I can see to clump up on one frequency and tremble at the thought of some SSB station getting his undies in a bunch because he doesn't like AM. I don't hold with the premise that 'you're a helpless AMer, so just accept whatever crumbs fall near you'. All it takes it a couple of good, strapping (strong/LOUD) signals on the band regularly. I know there are some 1-Landers down there already who are planning to be on the air soon(old buzzard John in Clearwater comes to mind), one fellow almost has his new 4x1 rig ready. Bob, K1KBW is moving to the Orlando area in the next month or so and I'll be heading somewhere north of Tampa in a few months. With Chris in Ft Lauderdale, and Robert in Punta Gorda, we should be able to drum up some activity. I don't mind talking to the same station more than once, it's not a contest for me. It's the enjoyment of restoring and operating historic, old gear and sharing the experience with others. Best part is, I'll be able to work you, both Brians, the other 5-Landers and the fellows from 0-Land a whole lot more regularly. Definitely looking forward to that part. Might even get up early to work Geoff some morning. And activity attracts more, soI'll do my part to make Heaven's Waiting Room a bit more aurally-interesting, from an RF perspective. ~ Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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I have been reading the traffic here with heightened interest. For me the existing 80M AM window is fine so long as: 1.) We invite the 3878 quacks to QSY down 100KC or so 2.) The SSB stations on 3880, 3883, 3885, 3888, 3890, and 3893 all find another rock to hide under. If this is done, we have room for 2-3 AM QSO's at the same time, and no need for razor sharp filters, etc. to reject the QRM. I guess I'm easy to please! This will never happen! :-) I like the suggestions given already of establishing a AM net at the bottom end of the Advanced portion, say 3705. I do not hold an extra ticket... Regards, Jim JKO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Jim with your knowledge, a trip to the next hamfest would cure the Advanced license. Just take the time. Do a couple practice runs on one of the computer sites to see what the subject matter is and you are off and running. As for 3 QSOs on 80, 85, and 90, sadly is ain't gonna happen. Where I live the signals emitted by some stations are very strong. This morning was a case in point. one on 3.880 and another on 85. The 85 bunch, I think, was the 0s who get on in the morning but without some closer stations or stronger signals, I couldn't tell. I like to talk among groups from time to time and urge everyone to establish a different frequency. Say the 1s near 3.8, the 2s near 3.815, etc. With different operating schedules no particular portion of the band would be occupied all the time. And it would give us the opportunity to move between groups with out undue interference. Just some thoughts. 73 Jim W5JO I have been reading the traffic here with heightened interest. For me the existing 80M AM window is fine so long as: 1.) We invite the 3878 quacks to QSY down 100KC or so 2.) The SSB stations on 3880, 3883, 3885, 3888, 3890, and 3893 all find another rock to hide under. If this is done, we have room for 2-3 AM QSO's at the same time, and no need for razor sharp filters, etc. to reject the QRM. I guess I'm easy to please! This will never happen! :-) I like the suggestions given already of establishing a AM net at the bottom end of the Advanced portion, say 3705. I do not hold an extra ticket... Regards, Jim JKO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Jim, you don't have to since it's not law but if 90% of ham population does, you still have the issues. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:11:25 -0500 Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pete in this case, I don't plan to follow the ARRL's suggestions. As a member, I see good and bad, but I sure don't see them having any official say over where we can operate. As Todd has said, phone is phone. If we start protecting this and that, then the AM operator will have 10 Kcs and that is all. It is pretty clear to me the FCC believes the CW, RTTY, and digital modes can co-exist between 3.5 and 3.6 The new part is to eliminate congestion. Let's use it. 73 Jim W5JO __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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When the phone band expands, there will be plenty of room below 3800 to operate. I suggest somewhere lower in the band, towards 3700. Also, extras will be able to go on down to 3600. As quiet is the present 3750-3775 is most of time, I doubt if 3600-3700 will be jam-packed with signals anytime soon. The 3790-3800 DX window will likely remain active to accomodate Generals, who will operate split and transmit just above 3800. Even now advanced can go down to 3775 and extras to 3750, but the window remains at 3790. I am all for imposing AM presence anywhere in the band we can legally operate, but no point in deliberately kicking a wasp nest. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Bob Maser wrote: I am in the Tampa area. The reason I sold my 20V2 and 20V3 was once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. Done with what? You have made 40 new friends. I personally think that is worth a lot more than a zillion sig reports from sig report collectors. Jack NR9Q -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Yeah, but I found that talking about how great AM is gets old after a while. I experienced AM first hand as I became a ham in 1956. I had a great time and made a lot of friends. Now that SSB is the mode of choice for most hams, one gets used to VOX operation and the lock and talk becomes tedious at best. I find that when I get on AM(I still have a pristine Valiant and HRO-60), a group gets together and by the time that it gets back around, 20-30 minutes have expired. I was used to this modus operandi back in the 50's but now I prefer a back and forth format. Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy an occasional AM QSO. But I have found that it is nostalgia that attracts me to AM and nostalgia is satisfied by small bites(for me at least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? BTW, after spending over 100 hrs converting the 20V-3 to 75M, I had big time interference to the neighbors. I have no problems with the Valiant and none with my modern SSB rigs. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Jack Schmidling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Bob Maser wrote: I am in the Tampa area. The reason I sold my 20V2 and 20V3 was once you work the 30 or 40 stations that seem to hang out on 3885, you're done. Done with what? You have made 40 new friends. I personally think that is worth a lot more than a zillion sig reports from sig report collectors. Jack NR9Q -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Icom, Kenwud, Yeasu least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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Yeah, right. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Icom, Kenwud, Yeasu least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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For good AM (I mean REALLY GOOD AM) try a SDR-1000 by Flex-Radio. This is a computer driven little black box that can create any form of modulation and make it sound beautiful. The receiver uses a quadrature mixer into a sound card with some free software to make the AM sound really great. Has synchronous detector too and filtering that is truly brick wall stuff. The filtering is fully adjustable on each side of the carrier so if an aflack is causing trouble on one side just use the cursor to shave it off. No knobs, glowing tubes or 1000 lb cabinets. Stick a linear on the tail end and go up against anyone on the band. Want to try the new Digital Radio Mondail DRM stuff? Load up the free software and have at it. This from one who does spectrum measurements on 300 +/- AM broadcast stations each year. Also owns 4 Gates, 1 Westinghouse MW-1 and 1 Western Electric AM type transmitters. They will soon be for sale. Maybe I'll keep the Western Electric, its art deco neat. 73, Larry K2LT Bob Maser wrote: Yeah, right. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Icom, Kenwud, Yeasu least). If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
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OK, here is my $0.02 worth... I've always REALLY wanted a big green (Heath Indians) station. I fell in love with the rigs in the mid 60's when I first got my ticket. I had an Apache as a Novice, with the SB-10 when I made General. What a looker (to me anyway). Now I've got 'em... Heck, I've got an entire tribe! They are EVERYWHERE, garage, office, shack... You name it, there is a Heathkit Indian setting there. Some are ready and able, some are being restored, some are parts doners. The last time I was on AM, I used my Icom 746. I really like AM, but why limit myself to only AM? Right now I'm having a blast on PSK 31. I've been doing it for a number of years, and recently decided to do WAC. Great fun. I just picked up a KWM-2. I already have a mint condition Heath Marauder. After I get tired of the digital, it's gonna be vintage SSB. I can smell it coming... TOYS TOYS!!! Wheee! 73 Craig K6QI __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Since on page one of the FCC 06-149 document states that it was adopted on 10-4-06, doesn't this mean that we can go to the new frequencies immediately? I could not find clarification on this in the 45 page document. Bob W6TR - Original Message - From: Donald Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:45 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Up to an extra 150 kc/s for phone on 75 m for Extra class. 75m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 3850-4000 3775-4000 3750-4000 New 3800-4000 3700-4000 3600-4000 Increase 50 75150 40m Phone Allocations General Advanced Extra Current 7225-73007150-73007150-7300 New 7175-73007125-73007125-7300 Increase5025 25 Much better than anything I had anticipated, but we are still left with a cumbersome matrix of subbands based on operator class combined with emission mode. Considering the relief in congestion we have already experienced due to the general decline in amateur activity in recent years, there should be plenty of room for all on 75m, without the griping about AM taking up too much room on the crowded band. Of course, if the FCC eventually eliminates the code requirement, expect an initial spike in activity as hoards of no-code Techs upgrade, but after the initial spike I predict a return to stagnant growth. There should still be plenty of room for AM activity. Once the expansion goes into effect, we should immediately commence AM activity on the new frequencies, including the 3600-3700 kc/s Extra segment. I have looked over the R O, but I am not sure if it means that 3600-3700 is restricted to Extra class for all modes, or just that Extras can now use phone in the segment. How this will affect non-voice licence class restrictions is not made entirely clear in the FCC document: 12. Regarding the division among license classes of the spectrum on which we today authorize phone emissions, we adopt the Commission’s proposal to authorize stations of General Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3800-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 50 kHz the spectrum for voice communications by these stations. Because we have decided to authorize more 75 m spectrum for voice communications than was proposed in the NPRM, we also authorize stations of Advanced Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3700-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 75 kHz the amount of spectrum for voice communications by these stations. We also authorize stations of Amateur Extra Class licensees to transmit voice emissions in the 3600-4000 kHz frequency segment, thereby increasing by 150 kHz the spectrum authorized to these stations for voice communications. In the 40 m and 15 m bands, we adopt the Commission’s proposal to authorize stations of Amateur Extra and Advanced Class licensees 7125-7300 kHz, stations of General Class licensees 7175-7300 kHz, and stations of General Class licensees 21275-21450 kHz for phone communications. If Generals and above will still be able to use 3600-3700 for non-voice modes, expect digital modes to continue to operate in this segment. I suspect that may be the reason such a big hunk was set aside for Extras - to limit phone activity in that region of the band so that some of the digital stuff can continue on those frequencies. Although the thinking of government agencies is extremely unpredictable, this doesn't look well for the ARRL's bandwidth proposal. If the FCC were seriously considering limitations by bandwidth any time soon, it is unlikely they would have gone to all the trouble to work out this plan, only to have to revise it in the near future to accomodate subbands-by-bandwidth. Looks like we'll soon be able to join the Canadians in their AM Window on 3720. The change is expected to go into effect sometime in mid-November. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdf ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
The last sentence in the ARRL email message sent out today with subject, ARLB019 FCC releases long-awaited Omnibus Amateur Radio Report and Order is: The changes will go into effect 30 days after the RO is published in the Federal Register. - Original Message - From: Bob Maser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Since on page one of the FCC 06-149 document states that it was adopted on 10-4-06, doesn't this mean that we can go to the new frequencies immediately? I could not find clarification on this in the 45 page document. Bob W6TR __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Bob Maser wrote: Yeah, but I found that talking about how great AM is gets old after a while. Conversations are what YOU make of them. If you let others control the conversation, you get what you deserve but I don't how this is unique to AM. I experienced AM first hand as I became a ham in 1956. 1955 here Now that SSB is the mode of choice for most hams, one gets used to VOX operation and the lock and talk becomes tedious at best. I never cared for vox but the lock and talk is a function of and controlled by fingers and not the modulation type and I agree it is very tedious. I wonder why this is so habitual with AMers. I suppose it goes back to the primitive days when one (at least I did) had to throw several switches and turn up/down the volume for each transmission. Seems like it's just a matter of retraining. I find that when I get on AM(I still have a pristine Valiant and HRO-60), a group gets together and by the time that it gets back around, 20-30 minutes have expired. This is not uncommon on SSB groups. But I have found that it is nostalgia that attracts me to AM and nostalgia is satisfied by small bites(for me at least). I think what attracts me is the satisfaction of opening up a piece of gear and understanding what every part in it is and what for. I ponder electrons being sucked up by the plate and my voice controlling the flow. I gag when I open my rice box. If AM is getting so popular, why aren't there any manufacturers producing any equipment? No one would want it as it would be just another rice box with no nostalgic appeal. After all, it really is not a very practical way to communicate. js -- PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com __ AMRadio mailing list List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Hi Don, It's great to hear from you again and to consider your expansion proposal. I don't think this will fly. There is a rapid expansion taking place in the digital sub-bands below 3700 kHz and there are still many CW ops using the spectrum around 3700 to 3725 ARRL is VERY interested in promoting digital modes. Sadly the main one they are promoting is (in my opinion) very expensive, wasteful and inefficient. The unattended Pactor robot stations are ruining the CW and digital sub bands on 40m, 30m and 20m and they threaten to do the same on 80m too. I seriously doubt that ARRL will promote additional phone expansion on 75m, even though it could well be argued that we need it. I suppose the CW and digital ops could all move down, but I can see both sides of the argument for adding 25 kc. versus 50 kc. to the phone band. Since I enjoy all the modes I probably don't feel as strongly about this as you do. Even more so since QRN makes 80m and 160m virtually unusable for 8 months out of the year here in Florida. I wish we could get the broadcasters off 7100-7300 kc. How many decades will THAT take?! 73 from your friend - AF4K On 10 Jun 2004 at 15:58, Donald Chester wrote: This is a reminder that the comment deadline for FCC Docket 04-140 is rapidly approaching. The comment deadline is 15 June and reply comment deadline is 30 June. Amongst other things, the FCC is seeking comments on whether to adopt the ARRL's proposed phone band expansion, refarming the novice subbands. In my opinion, the League proposal falls short, especially on 75/80m. Generals would be able to go down to 3800, Advanced to 3750, and Extras to 3725. The total phone band would be expanded only 25 kHz. This would offer little relief to the present overcrowded conditions on the phone band, while most of the cw band lies idle even during optimum wintertime nighttime conditions on weekends. I suggest that if we must continue to have subbands, the 80/75m phone band be expanded at least down to 3600 kHz to allow a more equitable distribution of wideband vs narrowband signals and make for more effective use of the 80m amateur spectrum. Per to-day's date, the FCC has received only 85 comments on this proceeding, and fewer than half dozen address the specific issue of cw/phone or narrow/wideband allocation. The follow excerpt from the Docket addresses the subband issue. The entire document can be viewed (Adobe reader required) at: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_d ocument=6516185678 To electronically file comments to the FCC, go to http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ High Frequency Privileges: ARRL Petition. Background. On March 22, 2002, the ARRL requested that we eliminate the telegraphy frequency segments currently authorized to Novice and Technician Plus Class licensees, and to restructure the operating privileges authorized licensees in certain HF amateur service bands.33 The ARRL based its request on over 4,700 responses to a survey it conducted regarding different emission subband options for four of the eight HF amateur service bands. The ARRL notes that while the survey results did not reflect a consensus on any one HF band frequency alternative, most respondents favored dissolving the Novice and Technician Plus Class telegraphy subbands so that additional spectrum could be authorized for phone communications. The ARRL requests the Commission to amend Section 97.301 of its Rules to expand the frequency segments of the 80-, 40-, and 15 m HF amateur service bands that licensees may use for phone communications. The ARRL states that a refarming plan based on eliminating the Novice and Technician Plus Class subbands is critical because the segments presently authorized for phone and digital communications are severely overcrowded. The ARRL requests that ...General Class licensees should be authorized to control an amateur station transmitting voice communications on the 3800-4000 kHz, 7175-7300 kHz and 21275-21450 kHz frequency segments;41 (3) Advanced Class licensees should be authorized to control an amateur station transmitting voice communications on the 3750-4000 kHz and 7125- 7300 kHz frequency segments;42 and (4) Amateur Extra Class licensees should be authorized to control an amateur station transmitting voice communications on the 3725-4000 kHz and 7125- 7300 kHz frequency segments. Discussion: ... Because the ARRL Petition addresses the operating privileges of all classes of licensees on these amateur service bands, we believe that the ARRL Petition provides a basis for a comprehensive restructuring of operating privileges. We note that, as proposed, no licensees would lose any spectrum privileges and that General, Advanced, and Amateur Extra Class licensees would gain spectrum for phone emissions, one of the most popular operating modes on the HF bands. For these reasons, we will propose amending Part 97 of our Rules as the
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
Were you the gentleman who was going to sell me a 160 meter crystal for 1885 Khz. Thank you Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion Hi Don, It's great to hear from you again and to consider your expansion proposal. I don't think this will fly. There is a rapid expansion taking place in the digital sub-bands below 3700 kHz and there are still many CW ops using the spectrum around 3700 to 3725 ARRL is VERY interested in promoting digital modes. Sadly the main one they are promoting is (in my opinion) very expensive, wasteful and inefficient. The unattended Pactor robot stations are ruining the CW and digital sub bands on 40m, 30m and 20m and they threaten to do the same on 80m too. I seriously doubt that ARRL will promote additional phone expansion on 75m, even though it could well be argued that we need it. I suppose the CW and digital ops could all move down, but I can see both sides of the argument for adding 25 kc. versus 50 kc. to the phone band. Since I enjoy all the modes I probably don't feel as strongly about this as you do. Even more so since QRN makes 80m and 160m virtually unusable for 8 months out of the year here in Florida. I wish we could get the broadcasters off 7100-7300 kc. How many decades will THAT take?! 73 from your friend - AF4K On 10 Jun 2004 at 15:58, Donald Chester wrote: This is a reminder that the comment deadline for FCC Docket 04-140 is rapidly approaching. The comment deadline is 15 June and reply comment deadline is 30 June. Amongst other things, the FCC is seeking comments on whether to adopt the ARRL's proposed phone band expansion, refarming the novice subbands. In my opinion, the League proposal falls short, especially on 75/80m. Generals would be able to go down to 3800, Advanced to 3750, and Extras to 3725. The total phone band would be expanded only 25 kHz. This would offer little relief to the present overcrowded conditions on the phone band, while most of the cw band lies idle even during optimum wintertime nighttime conditions on weekends. I suggest that if we must continue to have subbands, the 80/75m phone band be expanded at least down to 3600 kHz to allow a more equitable distribution of wideband vs narrowband signals and make for more effective use of the 80m amateur spectrum. Per to-day's date, the FCC has received only 85 comments on this proceeding, and fewer than half dozen address the specific issue of cw/phone or narrow/wideband allocation. The follow excerpt from the Docket addresses the subband issue. The entire document can be viewed (Adobe reader required) at: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_d ocument=6516185678 To electronically file comments to the FCC, go to http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ High Frequency Privileges: ARRL Petition. Background. On March 22, 2002, the ARRL requested that we eliminate the telegraphy frequency segments currently authorized to Novice and Technician Plus Class licensees, and to restructure the operating privileges authorized licensees in certain HF amateur service bands.33 The ARRL based its request on over 4,700 responses to a survey it conducted regarding different emission subband options for four of the eight HF amateur service bands. The ARRL notes that while the survey results did not reflect a consensus on any one HF band frequency alternative, most respondents favored dissolving the Novice and Technician Plus Class telegraphy subbands so that additional spectrum could be authorized for phone communications. The ARRL requests the Commission to amend Section 97.301 of its Rules to expand the frequency segments of the 80-, 40-, and 15 m HF amateur service bands that licensees may use for phone communications. The ARRL states that a refarming plan based on eliminating the Novice and Technician Plus Class subbands is critical because the segments presently authorized for phone and digital communications are severely overcrowded. The ARRL requests that ...General Class licensees should be authorized to control an amateur station transmitting voice communications on the 3800-4000 kHz, 7175-7300 kHz and 21275-21450 kHz frequency segments;41 (3) Advanced Class licensees should be authorized to control an amateur station transmitting voice communications on the 3750-4000 kHz and 7125- 7300 kHz frequency segments;42 and (4) Amateur Extra Class licensees should be authorized to control an amateur station transmitting voice communications on the 3725-4000 kHz and 7125- 7300 kHz frequency segments. Discussion: ... Because the ARRL Petition addresses the operating privileges of all classes of licensees on these amateur service bands, we believe that the ARRL
Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... There is a rapid expansion taking place in the digital sub-bands below 3700 kHz and there are still many CW ops using the spectrum around 3700 to 3725... ARRL is VERY interested in promoting digital modes. Sadly the main one they are promoting is (in my opinion) very expensive, wasteful and inefficient. The unattended Pactor robot stations are ruining the CW and digital sub bands on 40m, 30m and 20m and they threaten to do the same on 80m too. Many CW operators are adamant about not giving up a kHz of the CW/digital subband, yet I never find this part of the band full. Even during periods when there a lot of active CW ond digital stations, there are still tens of kilohertz of unoccupied spectrum in between. There is no reason why the CW and digital ops couldn't move in closer together, resulting in a continuous band of frequencies where there is actually some activity going on. There seems to be considerable friction between the CW ops and digital users. There has even been talk about petitioning the fCC for additional subbands - one for CW, one for digital, one for phone. But if you count the available channels, even with only 100 kHz of CW/digital, there would still be room for more narrowband stations to operate simultaneously without interference than there would be for phone, even if everyone used SSB. Even if there is surge in interest in digital modes, I doubt there ever will be more stations using digital/cw than phone. Another problem with the present subband situation is that there is no possibility of transmitting wide band digital signals. It is not permitted in the CW band, and digital signals are not allowed in the phone band. Otherwise, hams could experiment with such things as digital voice and possibly digital TV that, unlike slow-scan, would show real-time motion, yet not take any more spectrum than AM phone. Also, with digital techniques it might be possible to transmit voice with quality at least as good as present-day broadcast quality AM, with less than is now used by conventional SSB. Actually I would like to see what happened if we tried eliminating subbands altogether, as the Canadians and Europeans have done, and let voluntary band plans be used for whatever separation of modes is needed, as is presently on 160m even here in the US. However, from what the FCC says in the docket, they have already already discounted that idea. Even more so since QRN makes 80m and 160m virtually unusable for 8 months out of the year here in Florida. It's doing a pretty good job of it here as well, this year. I can count the number of times I have been on the air in the past 5 weeks or so on one hand. I wish we could get the broadcasters off 7100-7300 kc. How many decades will THAT take?! They are supposedly working on it, but look how many decades it took to get LORAN off 160, or even open up the expanded AM broadcast band after it was approved by the WARC in 1979. 73, Don K4KYV _ Looking to buy a house? Get informed with the Home Buying Guide from MSN House Home. http://coldwellbanker.msn.com/
