RE: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
In an open letter to the Board and officers of the ARRL I invited them to participate in a worldwide Webinar at my expense wherein hams from all the world would be free to ask questions as to the ARRL's continued pursuit of this and other intitiaves which were withdrawn domestically but pushed through international channels. The ARRL board and officers has stone walled my request. I have asked my legal team to subpoena the minutes of the IARU meetings and currently will use my PR firm to send 237,000 e-mails to op-in hams around the world asking why the CEO and his board will not participate in a free webinar and respond to the membership concerning their activities. FYI Ron Weaver W6OM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:29 AM To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Various wrote: What chart are you looking at?? On 40 meters, CW is allowed from 7000 to 7300 KHz and Steve - Please show me where it states this. I am referring to the new IARU Region 2 bandplan section for 40m. I should not have used the word allowed - sorry about that, that was too strong. But my point is that the bandplan expects CW to happen in the lower 30 kHz of 40m, rather than the lower 150 kHz as has been the case for some time. Perhaps my posts on this topic are unwelcome - I certainly have received a lot of hate-mail and name-calling off-list about it. I guess I haven't learned - I keep getting surprised by hams. I keep mistakenly thinking they are all my friends, or at least open to a discussion. I apologize if my concern about this has splashed over onto those who don't care, or support the bandplan. I thought it was important enough have a discussion about it before it happens, especially here on a couple mailing lists for people interested in vintage equipment and modes. I certainly hope it comes to nothing. But I suspect this bandplan will become a source of friction and upset among hams in the years to come. One final point: Compare the old IARU Region 2 bandplan from 1988 http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_HF_Band_Plan.html to the new one http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_MF__HF_Bandplan_Annex__1_2008.pdf and notice how the current one matches much better how we use the bands now, and how the new one is very different. Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
I don't get it. Looking at the charts, does it not say all modes? It looks like they want certain activities to center around some frequencies, like contesting and the DX window but allow all modes in the same places? Brett N2DTS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of W6OM Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:49 AM To: 'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan In an open letter to the Board and officers of the ARRL I invited them to participate in a worldwide Webinar at my expense wherein hams from all the world would be free to ask questions as to the ARRL's continued pursuit of this and other intitiaves which were withdrawn domestically but pushed through international channels. The ARRL board and officers has stone walled my request. I have asked my legal team to subpoena the minutes of the IARU meetings and currently will use my PR firm to send 237,000 e-mails to op-in hams around the world asking why the CEO and his board will not participate in a free webinar and respond to the membership concerning their activities. FYI Ron Weaver W6OM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:29 AM To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Various wrote: What chart are you looking at?? On 40 meters, CW is allowed from 7000 to 7300 KHz and Steve - Please show me where it states this. I am referring to the new IARU Region 2 bandplan section for 40m. I should not have used the word allowed - sorry about that, that was too strong. But my point is that the bandplan expects CW to happen in the lower 30 kHz of 40m, rather than the lower 150 kHz as has been the case for some time. Perhaps my posts on this topic are unwelcome - I certainly have received a lot of hate-mail and name-calling off-list about it. I guess I haven't learned - I keep getting surprised by hams. I keep mistakenly thinking they are all my friends, or at least open to a discussion. I apologize if my concern about this has splashed over onto those who don't care, or support the bandplan. I thought it was important enough have a discussion about it before it happens, especially here on a couple mailing lists for people interested in vintage equipment and modes. I certainly hope it comes to nothing. But I suspect this bandplan will become a source of friction and upset among hams in the years to come. One final point: Compare the old IARU Region 2 bandplan from 1988 http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_HF_Band_Plan.html to the new one http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_MF__HF_Bandplan_Annex__1 _2008.pdf and notice how the current one matches much better how we use the bands now, and how the new one is very different. Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Steve, I don't feel this topic is inappropriate. It is a subject that encompasses Amateur Radio and, more importantly, our operating. I looked at the recent band plan and am a bit disturbed by how they wish to segment our bands and did not make a specific reference to AM except on 10 meters. What is even more scary is that this may become fodder for someone to petition the FCC to make these changes to our bands. There is a lot of emphasis on QRP and CW in the plan. Even though the FCC has never followed them, some time back and enforcement letter was mistakenly sent to a couple of SSB stations operating in the low part of 160 meters. Some CW guys filed a complaint that generated the action, even though that action was inappropriate. These kinds of documents lead some to believe they are gospel and will harass others who do not follow them willingly. I applaud Ron's action which I hope is a wake up call to members of the staff of the ARRL to let them know that the ordinary Amateur, who is not a member, will not stand idly by while they advance an unpopular proposal. Jim/W5JO Various wrote: What chart are you looking at?? On 40 meters, CW is allowed from 7000 to 7300 KHz and Steve - Please show me where it states this. I am referring to the new IARU Region 2 bandplan section for 40m. I should not have used the word allowed - sorry about that, that was too strong. But my point is that the bandplan expects CW to happen in the lower 30 kHz of 40m, rather than the lower 150 kHz as has been the case for some time. Perhaps my posts on this topic are unwelcome - I certainly have received a lot of hate-mail and name-calling off-list about it. I guess I haven't learned - I keep getting surprised by hams. I keep mistakenly thinking they are all my friends, or at least open to a discussion. I apologize if my concern about this has splashed over onto those who don't care, or support the bandplan. I thought it was important enough have a discussion about it before it happens, especially here on a couple mailing lists for people interested in vintage equipment and modes. I certainly hope it comes to nothing. But I suspect this bandplan will become a source of friction and upset among hams in the years to come. One final point: Compare the old IARU Region 2 bandplan from 1988 http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_HF_Band_Plan.html to the new one http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_MF__HF_Bandplan_Annex__1_2008.pdf and notice how the current one matches much better how we use the bands now, and how the new one is very different. Steve WD8DAS __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
You have to read the notes at the bottom of the page. AM is permitted where there is an * beside the frequency. But there is nor * on 160M or 15M. Everything above 29MHz is 6KHz BW. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Steve, I don't feel this topic is inappropriate. It is a subject that encompasses Amateur Radio and, more importantly, our operating. I looked at the recent band plan and am a bit disturbed by how they wish to segment our bands and did not make a specific reference to AM except on 10 meters. What is even more scary is that this may become fodder for someone to petition the FCC to make these changes to our bands. There is a lot of emphasis on QRP and CW in the plan. Even though the FCC has never followed them, some time back and enforcement letter was mistakenly sent to a couple of SSB stations operating in the low part of 160 meters. Some CW guys filed a complaint that generated the action, even though that action was inappropriate. These kinds of documents lead some to believe they are gospel and will harass others who do not follow them willingly. I applaud Ron's action which I hope is a wake up call to members of the staff of the ARRL to let them know that the ordinary Amateur, who is not a member, will not stand idly by while they advance an unpopular proposal. Jim/W5JO Various wrote: What chart are you looking at?? On 40 meters, CW is allowed from 7000 to 7300 KHz and Steve - Please show me where it states this. I am referring to the new IARU Region 2 bandplan section for 40m. I should not have used the word allowed - sorry about that, that was too strong. But my point is that the bandplan expects CW to happen in the lower 30 kHz of 40m, rather than the lower 150 kHz as has been the case for some time. Perhaps my posts on this topic are unwelcome - I certainly have received a lot of hate-mail and name-calling off-list about it. I guess I haven't learned - I keep getting surprised by hams. I keep mistakenly thinking they are all my friends, or at least open to a discussion. I apologize if my concern about this has splashed over onto those who don't care, or support the bandplan. I thought it was important enough have a discussion about it before it happens, especially here on a couple mailing lists for people interested in vintage equipment and modes. I certainly hope it comes to nothing. But I suspect this bandplan will become a source of friction and upset among hams in the years to come. One final point: Compare the old IARU Region 2 bandplan from 1988 http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_HF_Band_Plan.html to the new one http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_MF__HF_Bandplan_Annex__1_2008.pdf and notice how the current one matches much better how we use the bands now, and how the new one is very different. Steve WD8DAS __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
I had a chance to speak briefly with Paul Rinaldo about this this pas Saturday (10/20/2007). As some of you may know, I have been a member of Amrad for about ten years, and Paul R. is president of that club. I don't know what he does over in Switzerland, but it seems to me that he is always looking for things to justify and support the continued existance of amateur radio in that political arena. The senior members of the club agree that it's not a picnic or a party over there, and it seems that Paul spends a lot of time with that. I have chatted with Paul over the years, and I told him once that darn, I was one of the AMers, etc. We have friendly relations, I've been to his home a few times, etc. I've written a few articles in the Amrad journal, and we see the Amrad guys frequently at Spacequest. They were instrumental in the construction and success of the AO27 satellite back in the early 90s, which was many years before my time here, and they have helped with several other birds. AM usually doesn't come up; there is one long-time broadcast engineer who has done lots of AM work over the years; a few members poo-poo it; others are slightly interested; etc. They are doing other things like LF, DSP, mobile emergency preparedness communications work, etc. OK. So I broached the subject with Paul, and I could see that it was a sore spot. I said look, I know how hard you work for amateur radio, you know I'm not here to beat you up. Paul was adamant that this ITU thing means nothing, and that nothing would change, etc. My point was that AM required that we get our hands on this equipment and make it work, and in the process we learn many things, and anything that makes people learn about radio is good. Paul knows only too well about dumbing down of amateur radio. He heard me; I just hope it meant to him what it meant to me. And I hope he is right, that it will not change anything, because the wording that I see is somewhat ominous. I certainly don't want the FCC bothering us for having two sidebands, and sounding too good. I don't think the FCC wants that either. Bacon, WA3WDR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Now, let me put this all into perspective. Here is the exception posted at the bottom of the 'Band Plan': *) DSB AM phone allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz. Ok, now this is where the exceptions occur: 3600-3625Mhz 3875-3900Mhz 29000-29300Mhz where AM is the prefered band. Everywhere else where it list All Modes it is with a max bandwidth of 2700Khz. No 40M; no 15M nada! I don't know of any AM transmitter that has that narrow bandwidth. So to put it bluntly, we are sucking hind tit! There isn't any interpretation or color here. This is the bandplan plain and simple. Now, why do I think we are being told that the dinner I'm going to eat is a porterhouse steak, when in all reality its a cold turd and a slimey potato? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Go back and look at 40M. AM is allowed between 7200 and 7300. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Now, let me put this all into perspective. Here is the exception posted at the bottom of the 'Band Plan': *) DSB AM phone allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz. Ok, now this is where the exceptions occur: 3600-3625Mhz 3875-3900Mhz 29000-29300Mhz where AM is the prefered band. Everywhere else where it list All Modes it is with a max bandwidth of 2700Khz. No 40M; no 15M nada! I don't know of any AM transmitter that has that narrow bandwidth. So to put it bluntly, we are sucking hind tit! There isn't any interpretation or color here. This is the bandplan plain and simple. Now, why do I think we are being told that the dinner I'm going to eat is a porterhouse steak, when in all reality its a cold turd and a slimey potato? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
My error! 40M is open for AM from 7100 to 7300! http://www.iaru-r2.org/wp-content/uploads/region-2-mf-hf-bandplan-e.pdf Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Now, let me put this all into perspective. Here is the exception posted at the bottom of the 'Band Plan': *) DSB AM phone allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz. Ok, now this is where the exceptions occur: 3600-3625Mhz 3875-3900Mhz 29000-29300Mhz where AM is the prefered band. Everywhere else where it list All Modes it is with a max bandwidth of 2700Khz. No 40M; no 15M nada! I don't know of any AM transmitter that has that narrow bandwidth. So to put it bluntly, we are sucking hind tit! There isn't any interpretation or color here. This is the bandplan plain and simple. Now, why do I think we are being told that the dinner I'm going to eat is a porterhouse steak, when in all reality its a cold turd and a slimey potato? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Bob, et al, Once again cut and paste directly from the IARU Reg. 2 website: 7100 - 7300 2700 All modes, Region 2 Emergency centre of activity 2: 7240 kHz, SSB QRP centre of activity 2: 7285 kHz, image centre of activity 2 7165 kHz, AM calling frequency 7275 kHz, Region 2 Emergency centre of activity 3 7290 kHz Once again the maximum bandwidth allowed is 2700 Khz! NO EXCEPTIONS! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Bob Macklin To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan My error! 40M is open for AM from 7100 to 7300! http://www.iaru-r2.org/wp-content/uploads/region-2-mf-hf-bandplan-e.pdf Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Now, let me put this all into perspective. Here is the exception posted at the bottom of the 'Band Plan': *) DSB AM phone allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz. Ok, now this is where the exceptions occur: 3600-3625Mhz 3875-3900Mhz 29000-29300Mhz where AM is the prefered band. Everywhere else where it list All Modes it is with a max bandwidth of 2700Khz. No 40M; no 15M nada! I don't know of any AM transmitter that has that narrow bandwidth. So to put it bluntly, we are sucking hind tit! There isn't any interpretation or color here. This is the bandplan plain and simple. Now, why do I think we are being told that the dinner I'm going to eat is a porterhouse steak, when in all reality its a cold turd and a slimey potato? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Here's my cut and paste: 7100 – 7300 2700* All modes Region 2 Emergency Centre of activity 2: 7240 kHz SSB QRP Centre of activity 2: 7285 kHz Image Centre of activity 2: 7165 kHz AM Calling frequency 7275 kHz Region 2 Emergency Centre of activity 3: 7290 kHz Note the * after the 2700! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Bob, et al, Once again cut and paste directly from the IARU Reg. 2 website: 7100 - 7300 2700 All modes, Region 2 Emergency centre of activity 2: 7240 kHz, SSB QRP centre of activity 2: 7285 kHz, image centre of activity 2 7165 kHz, AM calling frequency 7275 kHz, Region 2 Emergency centre of activity 3 7290 kHz Once again the maximum bandwidth allowed is 2700 Khz! NO EXCEPTIONS! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Bob Macklin To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan My error! 40M is open for AM from 7100 to 7300! http://www.iaru-r2.org/wp-content/uploads/region-2-mf-hf-bandplan-e.pdf Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Now, let me put this all into perspective. Here is the exception posted at the bottom of the 'Band Plan': *) DSB AM phone allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz. Ok, now this is where the exceptions occur: 3600-3625Mhz 3875-3900Mhz 29000-29300Mhz where AM is the prefered band. Everywhere else where it list All Modes it is with a max bandwidth of 2700Khz. No 40M; no 15M nada! I don't know of any AM transmitter that has that narrow bandwidth. So to put it bluntly, we are sucking hind tit! There isn't any interpretation or color here. This is the bandplan plain and simple. Now, why do I think we are being told that the dinner I'm going to eat is a porterhouse steak, when in all reality its a cold turd and a slimey potato? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
I knew I wasn't see things and appearantly, Bob wasn't either. Upon further review, there are two bandplans posted out there, the one I saw: http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_MF__HF_Bandplan_Annex__1_2008.pdf and the one that Bob saw: http://www.iaru-r2.org/wp-content/uploads/region-2-mf-hf-bandplan-e.pdf . Now which is the correct one? With 40M a toss up for the time being, they still don't prefer AM except in designated spaces. Now I think it was Pete, that said about making comparisons from the last time. The one disclaimer sticks out from that one versus the one recently posted is this: These bandplans are voluntary and as such cannot legally be enforced, except in some countries in which the bandplans are written into the national regulations. The vast majority of amateurs in all countries do conform to the IARU bandplans and it is in our own interest that it should continue to be this way. The plans are prepared in a democratic way with input from any country's member society. The plans are discussed, modified and voted upon at IARU Regional General Assemblies with each country (large or small) having only one vote. If an individual or group is not satisfied with the bandplans as they are and has a suggestion for improvement then he should submit it, with as much documentation as possible, to his IARU member society. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Bob Macklin To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Here's my cut and paste: 7100 – 7300 2700* All modes Region 2 Emergency Centre of activity 2: 7240 kHz SSB QRP Centre of activity 2: 7285 kHz Image Centre of activity 2: 7165 kHz AM Calling frequency 7275 kHz Region 2 Emergency Centre of activity 3: 7290 kHz Note the * after the 2700! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Bob, et al, Once again cut and paste directly from the IARU Reg. 2 website: 7100 - 7300 2700 All modes, Region 2 Emergency centre of activity 2: 7240 kHz, SSB QRP centre of activity 2: 7285 kHz, image centre of activity 2 7165 kHz, AM calling frequency 7275 kHz, Region 2 Emergency centre of activity 3 7290 kHz Once again the maximum bandwidth allowed is 2700 Khz! NO EXCEPTIONS! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Bob Macklin To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan My error! 40M is open for AM from 7100 to 7300! http://www.iaru-r2.org/wp-content/uploads/region-2-mf-hf-bandplan-e.pdf Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Now, let me put this all into perspective. Here is the exception posted at the bottom of the 'Band Plan': *) DSB AM phone allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz. Ok, now this is where the exceptions occur: 3600-3625Mhz 3875-3900Mhz 29000-29300Mhz where AM is the prefered band. Everywhere else where it list All Modes it is with a max bandwidth of 2700Khz. No 40M; no 15M nada! I don't know of any AM transmitter that has that narrow bandwidth. So to put it bluntly, we are sucking hind tit! There isn't any interpretation or color here. This is the bandplan plain and simple. Now, why do I think we are being told that the dinner I'm going to eat is a porterhouse steak, when in all reality its a cold turd and a slimey potato? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Yes the 160M is bullshit but like I just posted the small disclaimer at the bottom of the '98 bandplan. In particular, These bandplans are voluntary and as such cannot legally be enforced... is ominously not present in the band plan set to be put into effect on Jan. 1, 2008. Should we be reading this deep? I don't know but I have nothing but loathing and distrust for any of the embiciles from the ARRgghhL when they make decisions about amatuer radio on my behalf. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Bob Macklin To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan I has a feeling you were looking somewhere else! LOL! The 75M, 40M and 20M AM centers of operation should not really be a problem. But look at 160M. NO AM! That's sure to PO the NE AM group! I don't have 160 capability so I have never listend to it. But I never though about 160 a a SSB band. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
PLEASE! Enough of this. My mailbox has been jammed for 3 days! Just let the issue die or discuss it direct. Thanks and 73, John, W4AWM ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
PLEASE! Enough of this. My mailbox has been jammed for 3 days! Just let the issue die or discuss it direct. This reminds me of the old timer who interrupted a couple guys talking on a local 2m repeater to ask that they please stop talking because he was trying to sleep. Steve WD8DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan PLEASE! Enough of this. My mailbox has been jammed for 3 days! Just let the issue die or discuss it direct. Thanks and 73, John, W4AWM ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
What chart are you looking at?? On 40 meters, CW is allowed from 7000 to 7300 KHz All narrow band modes and all modes includes CW. Pete, wa2cwa On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:09:25 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A few interesting notes on the new IARU HF bandplan for 40 meters : 7070 kHz is to become the new Digital-Voice center-of-activity freq 7043 kHz is to be the Image mode transmission center-of-activity freq. CW is only allowed in the lower 30 kHz of the band. Steve WD8DAS __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Now that most everyone has addressed this issue, I would suggest the following: That someone frame the issues and propose a resolution in the form of a petition that each ham can sign and send to the FCC and, particularly, our Congressional representative. I am sure that someone can do this, like Don, K4KYV, VJB, etc. What say? Thank you Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Bry Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:31 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan Guys - Chris Kepus wrote this in another group, but it sounds like the advice could be very helpful for those os us endeavouring to keep these insane bandplans from encroaching on the right to use AM also: = = = Rob said, I don't really feel obliged to follow along with an organizational scheme that I wasn't asked about, and wasn't given a chance to comment on. Especially when it was cooked up by a bunch of people I've never heard of, let alone met. Sounds like you might be talking about the ruling class who make the rules which are established by a large number of legislative bodies I am aware of that operate in California, other states and especially the one in DC. But a rant on that wouldn't be proper. g So, keeping it on topic, Paul Courson suggested we write the IARU execs. Peter M. suggested that we wait to see what the FCC does if the IARU formally adopts a bandplan with essentially the same provisions in the draft. Having had some experience in government relations, my feeling is that a strong defensive action needs to be taken now. The adage that a strong defense is the best offense holds true in this arena, also. The folks working on adopting new rules and bandplans might be well intentioned but they feel compelled to do *something* (however naïve, idiotic, or wasteful) rather than doing nothing (which means they don't like trying to fix what they and their predecessors may have screwed up). The best way to have a chance to block or blunt the potential 'bad' acts of these folks is to start a strong defensive action to put them on notice that they are doing something a lot of people don't agree with and that the same people will actually work hard to stop the action. Translation: IMHO, Now is the time to start writing in favor of your favorite mode or modes that may be impacted. A writer need not make a long statement or even take a position like an AM center of activity is needed. In this case, simply state, for example, that there are very strong reservations about the draft plan bandwidth and/or bandplan especially for (fill in your favorite mode(s)). You don't have to give any particular reason at this time. We need to make some focused noise, and we need a good amount of it for the first salvo. I for one am planning to enjoy the upcoming solar cycle using AM *for sure* on Glowbug rigsas well as CW and SSB. To paraphrase Charlton Heston, a key NRA spokesperson: You will have to pry my D-104 and Modulator tubes from my cold, dead hands! 73, Chris W7JPG __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Other than being thrusted through by the 'board of embicils' at the ARRgghhL, why there wasn't any polling or surveying used as a basis for the adoption of these plans. Just the fact that the majority of hams and the FCC was against RM-11306 demonstrates the (be)League(d)'s plan was unwanted by not only AM'ers, but all users of every other mode. My only hope is that TOM will be awaken from his grave in Hagerstown, MD and run roughshod over the bumblers in Newington by beating them on the head with the Woulff Houng and stuffing the Retttysnitch where the 'sun don't shine and pills can't reach!' Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK Steve Johnston, WD8DAS wrote: Earlier I wrote to the ARRL...now I've sent the following message to these officials of IARU and IARU-Region2... [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net.tt,[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] .tt,[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],rleandro@ cantv.net,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear IARU Officer - I see that the IARU has adopted, effective Jan 1 2008, a new MF/HF band plan for Region 2 that places restrictive limitations on transmitted signal bandwidths and overlooks common modes and practices on the bands 160 - 10m. I am VERY much against such limits - tight regulation and restrictions like these goes completely against the experimental and innovative aspects of ham radio. As a member of ARRL, which is the US member society of IARU, I urge you to stop this plan from going into effect. I understand that it is a voluntary plan, but because it does not match common practice on the bands today it will be ignored by thousands of operators. Why make a plan that doesn't match present reality? But, voluntary or not, my position remains that plan is defective. Bandplans like this have a history of increasing the stress among amateurs with arguments and finger-pointing. And voluntary ones tend to become ever more official over time, so I think it is vital that we not err on the side of restriction and limitation which could hinder our future communication options. Steve Johnston, WD8DAS ARRL Member Fitchburg, Wisconsin. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
This Region 2 plan never came up for a vote at the ARRL Board meetings. The Board of Directors have no vote in International rulings. FCC was never against RM-11306. It was pulled before the FCC formally responded to it. Nothing like fanning the flames. Pete, wa2cwa On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:08:55 -0400 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Other than being thrusted through by the 'board of embicils' at the ARRgghhL, why there wasn't any polling or surveying used as a basis for the adoption of these plans. Just the fact that the majority of hams and the FCC was against RM-11306 demonstrates the (be)League(d)'s plan was unwanted by not only AM'ers, but all users of every other mode. My only hope is that TOM will be awaken from his grave in Hagerstown, MD and run roughshod over the bumblers in Newington by beating them on the head with the Woulff Houng and stuffing the Retttysnitch where the 'sun don't shine and pills can't reach!' Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK Steve Johnston, WD8DAS wrote: Earlier I wrote to the ARRL...now I've sent the following message to these officials of IARU and IARU-Region2... [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],9y4ne [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net.tt,[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net .tt,[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],rlea ndro@ cantv.net,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear IARU Officer - I see that the IARU has adopted, effective Jan 1 2008, a new MF/HF band plan for Region 2 that places restrictive limitations on transmitted signal bandwidths and overlooks common modes and practices on the bands 160 - 10m. I am VERY much against such limits - tight regulation and restrictions like these goes completely against the experimental and innovative aspects of ham radio. As a member of ARRL, which is the US member society of IARU, I urge you to stop this plan from going into effect. I understand that it is a voluntary plan, but because it does not match common practice on the bands today it will be ignored by thousands of operators. Why make a plan that doesn't match present reality? But, voluntary or not, my position remains that plan is defective. Bandplans like this have a history of increasing the stress among amateurs with arguments and finger-pointing. And voluntary ones tend to become ever more official over time, so I think it is vital that we not err on the side of restriction and limitation which could hinder our future communication options. Steve Johnston, WD8DAS ARRL Member Fitchburg, Wisconsin. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Pete, do the Directors not have input to what is presented at/to IARU? If so, then we should have access to it directly through out directors who would then instruct the seemingly autonomous staff at Newington how to vote. True the ARRL pulled the RM, but why? I remember reading it was pulled by the management of ARRL because of misunderstanding by the ham population and ARRL membership which resulted in the flood of FCC comment filings and many messages to ARRL. The communications about pulling it inferred that they needed to do a better selling job then re-present it to the FCC. Jim/W5JO This Region 2 plan never came up for a vote at the ARRL Board meetings. The Board of Directors have no vote in International rulings. FCC was never against RM-11306. It was pulled before the FCC formally responded to it. Nothing like fanning the flames. Pete, wa2cwa On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:08:55 -0400 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Other than being thrusted through by the 'board of embicils' at the ARRgghhL, why there wasn't any polling or surveying used as a basis for the adoption of these plans. Just the fact that the majority of hams and the FCC was against RM-11306 demonstrates the (be)League(d)'s plan was unwanted by not only AM'ers, but all users of every other mode. My only hope is that TOM will be awaken from his grave in Hagerstown, MD and run roughshod over the bumblers in Newington by beating them on the head with the Woulff Houng and stuffing the Retttysnitch where the 'sun don't shine and pills can't reach!' Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Pete, wa2cwa said: This Region 2 plan never came up for a vote at the ARRL Board meetings. The Board of Directors have no vote in International rulings. FCC was never against RM-11306. It was pulled before the FCC formally responded to it. -- Correct, but they also cited those that were opposed to it when they adopted the new band reformations. Defacto opposing RM-11306 - He also quipped: Nothing like fanning the flames. A little pee can put out flames. But your precious ARRgghhL, (not mine!) has a habit of peeing on everyones parade! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
Thanks Steve, I adapted this to my non-ARRL situation and sent a smiliar letter by e-mail to all of the same folks. Great job! [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],9y4ned @tst t.net.tt,[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] .net .tt,[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],rlean dro@ cantv.net,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear IARU Officer - I see that the IARU has adopted, effective Jan 1 2008, a new MF/HF band plan for Region 2 that places restrictive limitations on transmitted signal bandwidths and overlooks common modes and practices on the bands 160 - 10m. I am VERY much against such limits - tight regulation and restrictions like these goes completely against the experimental and innovative aspects of ham radio. As a member of ARRL, which is the US member society of IARU, I urge you to stop this plan from going into effect. I understand that it is a voluntary plan, but because it does not match common practice on the bands today it will be ignored by thousands of operators. Why make a plan that doesn't match present reality? But, voluntary or not, my position remains that plan is defective. Bandplans like this have a history of increasing the stress among amateurs with arguments and finger-pointing. And voluntary ones tend to become ever more official over time, so I think it is vital that we not err on the side of restriction and limitation which could hinder our future communication options. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
There was no formal discussions at any of the Director meetings (in looking over the meeting minutes) over the last several years on the IARU activities for a new band plan. However, it's not inconceivable to believe that there might have been informal non-binding type discussions over lunch, dinner, or at the water cooler. The Directors had to have some idea that things were underfoot at the International level. However, given that some of these countries in Region 2 already have bandwidth restrictions on amateur radio modes, and some don't even recognize AM as still an active mode, I don't find it difficult to understand how the revised Region 2 band plan got so swayed not in the U. S. amateur's favor. I also find it hard to believe that the FCC could be swayed by any of these countries (who have considerably less amateurs then we do), to institute a drastic change to our current rules and regulations. A number of these countries don't have anything similar to a FCC type government entity to administer any of their amatuer rules and regulations, and so they look to the IARU for rule, regulation, and band plan guidance. RM being pulled - I think you hit most of the reasons. Besides the proposal, there were two addendum's, one of which had incorrect information in it plus all the bad press and all the incorrect info floating around on the web. I suspect that sometime in 2008, we'll see another proposal being submitted to the FCC that will build on the IARU band plans but will be tailored and adjusted more specifically to U. S. amateur interests. Given that the ARRL now has a wealth of feedback from the RM-11306 proposal, they will hopefully not try to repeat the same mistakes they made the first time. Pete, wa2cwa On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:02:40 -0500 Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pete, do the Directors not have input to what is presented at/to IARU? If so, then we should have access to it directly through out directors who would then instruct the seemingly autonomous staff at Newington how to vote. True the ARRL pulled the RM, but why? I remember reading it was pulled by the management of ARRL because of misunderstanding by the ham population and ARRL membership which resulted in the flood of FCC comment filings and many messages to ARRL. The communications about pulling it inferred that they needed to do a better selling job then re-present it to the FCC. Jim/W5JO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
I do hope they, at the very least, get input from other than vested interests. It appears that was all they had for the first one. Honestly, I don't see the need for regulation by bandwidth at all since it would lock experimenters into fixed amounts of spectrum. Remember when Spread Spectrum made it debut on the Amateur bands? It could not be used until a RM was passed to allow it. That put Amateurs well behind the curve. That was my primary and most important reason for opposing RM - 11306. I do believe that, given the opportunity, Amateurs can find new ways to communicate using technology adapted that would allow signals of large or small bandwidth without massive interference. At present the appearance is that the ARRL will only promote new technology that is proprietary and does very little for the experimenter except on the bands above 900 Mcy. To me, this is the wrong approach. One has but to look at the pages of QST to see what is going on at the basic level and it sure isn't experimentation. Today's Amateurs should be encouraged to learn enough to plan and construct new technology for the HF/MF bands as well as the frequencies above 900. Additionally, they could continue to use the bands as they please depending on conditions no matter the mode. Jim/W5JO I suspect that sometime in 2008, we'll see another proposal being submitted to the FCC that will build on the IARU band plans but will be tailored and adjusted more specifically to U. S. amateur interests. Given that the ARRL now has a wealth of feedback from the RM-11306 proposal, they will hopefully not try to repeat the same mistakes they made the first time. Pete, wa2cwa __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Re: IARU bandplan
What it sounds like ( and I could be wrong here) is that the ARRL failed to force feed this regulation by bandwidth horse manure onto the U.S. amateur population and now things are now being taken a step further, onto the international stage... sigh. I haven't heard of anything organized. My approach so far has been to spread the word to friends, on the air and on the mailing lists I belong to. And encourage comments to the League, which is our representative to IARU (and seems itself to like this bandplan and want to make it official for the US as well). __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
