[amsat-bb] satpc32 and labjack help
I have satpc32 and labjack is there a stall command option ? Thanks nick ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Dan. But Amsat-BB is not read only by Amsat members. Anyone who Google's Amsat will find Amsat-BB very quickly. Negative and unprofessional comments on Amsat-BB hurt our image as professional satellite builders and could quite possibly kill our chance of finding our next ride to orbit. In the 1990's the ESA management handed the president of Amsat-DL a pile of e-mail printouts from Amsat-BB following the repeated launch delays on Phase 3D, it almost got the satellite thrown off the Ariane 5 vehicle. With launches even harder to find in today's world, we cannot allow such bickering to tarnish our image as professionals who can be trusted not to screw up the mission. Dan Schultz N8FGV so what? We should never on the BB have differences with the direction that the satellite program is going? YOu have to be kidding. The only comments I and others have raised or made have been completely professional. The folks building suitsat 2 did miss a deployment campaign, they just did. It is a fair statement to ask if the project is to complicated. It is fair to ask why for instance we are not using transponders that have flown on other satellites but are not built in Amsat NA or are not gee whiz gizmo stuff... And fair questions deserve fair answers. I am a life member of NA (as doubtless, all the keyboard commandos have figured out) that should be enough to get fair and straight answers. what have I gotten back? you are a troll or the folks building the satellites are working 18 hours a day or even more silly responses (You might hurt their feelings) and then there is Frank B's statement which caused a hoot I mean just a hoot at MOD. It has been on a level that my 10 year rise above on their face book page. The folks on the board and their toady's act like they are Donald Rumsfeld...and we should have all had far enough of that manner. AS for the folks who are building and managing the build of the satellite crop. WOW if they stopped would we be worse off? The launch campaigns have not been exactly inspiring. Look the board is going to go its way...we will see how Suitsat 2 works out. If it doesnt then it wont matter NA will have just about used up all its mojo with the folks on NASA Rd 1. As for the ESA thing on the BB...I dont have a clue how that played out. My only tag up with those folks has been over a decade ago. We mucked about with them for a bit on their microgravity airplane.(flying the Bus was fun)..and as a part of safety certification I got to go to FG to see how they do it and saw several launch campaigns.I found them completely professional and business like...and while I take the story as gospel the folks I knew in ESA would hardly be troubled by the comments on a BB which as you say can be joined up by anyone. Hope you are having a good morning. Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Fox Delta ST2
I bought this and programmed it to my rotor system But I can seem to get SATPC32 to work with it. I remember someone on the list saying they had one of these .. I hope you are reading this. When I go to the rotor setup and select SAEBRTrackBox Click the appropriate settings, and click ok or store ( tried both ) And restart PCSAT as recommended, and then go back to the rotor Setup, it has toggled back to NONE for the interface.. And his instructions also say that once I restart there is supposed To be a new program running called Server Easy Comm1 running. Don't see that either .. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks.. Randy - N2CUA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: satpc32 and labjack help
Nick, By stall command, you mean that if the rotator does not move after a period of time, the program stops commanding motion? If so, I have never seen it anywhere. I use the same combination. Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Nick Pugh K5QXJ Sent: 20 October, 2009 05:34 To: 'Amsat-BB' Subject: [amsat-bb] satpc32 and labjack help I have satpc32 and labjack is there a stall command option ? Thanks nick ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: satpc32 and labjack help
Thanks Alan for the quick reply. Yes that what is needed. I have burn out a motor in the past. May the author could be persuaded to add this feature nick -Original Message- From: Alan P. Biddle [mailto:apbid...@united.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:33 AM To: 'Nick Pugh K5QXJ'; 'Amsat-BB' Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] satpc32 and labjack help Nick, By stall command, you mean that if the rotator does not move after a period of time, the program stops commanding motion? If so, I have never seen it anywhere. I use the same combination. Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Nick Pugh K5QXJ Sent: 20 October, 2009 05:34 To: 'Amsat-BB' Subject: [amsat-bb] satpc32 and labjack help I have satpc32 and labjack is there a stall command option ? Thanks nick ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] HT supports full duplex satellite operation
All, Could anyone list the HT models (available today in the market) that support full duplex satellite operation? I know I can get connected with two HTs and portable cross Yagi. Just need a simpler solution. IC-W23AT and TH-D7 are discontinued. Michael Chen, BD5RV/4 Email: michael.bd...@gmail.com MSN: bd...@jsdxc.org Skype: michael-bd5rv ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] W6FOG ???
Hi guys is W6FOG on schedule ? He will use all FM satellites ? or just AO51 ... TNX Al XE2AT Pd someone has heard him ?? _ Si no está en Windows Live, nunca pasó http://www.actualizatuperfil.com.mx/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
Hello Michael, http://www.thathamkid.com/website/ham-radio/full-duplex-radios is one place to find a list. -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9...@amsat.org Editor, AMSAT News Service Copy Editor, AMSAT Journal ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering
Thanks for the replies. Since I am in the UK I have contacted Jim off list Steve G6UIM -Original Message- From: Jim Heck [mailto:jiml...@milnet.uk.net] Sent: 20 October 2009 08:58 To: Steve Daniels Cc: Graham Shirville Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] volunteering Steve, I wonder if you have heard of FUNcube? (see www.funcube.org.uk) I wonder if you know Word Press? (!) I also wonder where you are located (I live in Blandford, Dorset), and if you have any experience in PR/outreach. My records show that you aren't a member of AMSAT-UK. Maybe you would consider joining? See http://www.uk.amsat.org/content/view/35/34/ 73 Jim Heck G3WGM Hon Sec AMSAT-UK -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org]on Behalf Of Steve Daniels Sent: 20 October 2009 00:04 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] volunteering Hi After reading various posts I decided that having time one my hands at the moment, I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can. I think being able to help build a satellite is probably out of my league. But I could help out collating information and updating websites etc. I run my own web server built by myself and a few websites. Hopefully someone can contact me for a discussion on how I can help. Steve G6UIM Email st...@daniels270.eclipse.co.uk ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.21/2445 - Release Date: 10/19/09 06:40:00 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: W6FOG ???
Word this morning on AO-51 pass as he's been delayed by weather..I havent heard that offically from sources, as he's usually on with us at that time. That is about all I know, Al... John W6ZKH - Original Message - From: Alvaro de Leon Romo xe...@hotmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:31:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] W6FOG ??? Hi guys is W6FOG on schedule ? He will use all FM satellites ? or just AO51 ... TNX Al XE2AT Pd someone has heard him ?? _ Si no está en Windows Live, nunca pasó http://www.actualizatuperfil.com.mx/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
Michael, That is a good reference from JoAnne. Most on the list will work well, particularly the TH-D7 and the IC-W32A. However, before you purchase one, be certain to research how well it actually works for satellite ops. For instance, I have an Alinco DJ-G7 which has great specifications, but works very poorly for satellite ops, though it is a nice general purpose unit. Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Chen Sent: 20 October, 2009 09:12 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] HT supports full duplex satellite operation All, Could anyone list the HT models (available today in the market) that support full duplex satellite operation? I know I can get connected with two HTs and portable cross Yagi. Just need a simpler solution. IC-W23AT and TH-D7 are discontinued. Michael Chen, BD5RV/4 Email: michael.bd...@gmail.com MSN: bd...@jsdxc.org Skype: michael-bd5rv ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Please don't feed the trolls
...it just teaches them to hang around and be trolls ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor)
I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can. I run my own web server built by myself and a few websites. Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the next thing I think might be valuable to help the general amateur radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again, this might not be at all what you are interested in, but let me have a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this fits anyone's talents. PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking program and to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know when to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade. OBJECTIVE: What we need is a service that continuously feeds SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there on their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view. This way, you can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet, and right their even without ASKING, the information will be PUSHED to you. SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about 1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL individual runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local region, and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring the national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT information not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH, ELEVATION and FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND DOPPLER! You can see examples of this system on http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about 90% down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE ALERTS. This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are mobile and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your area, and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will be able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output the satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The info on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above the horizon. Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE of any satellites coming up in the next 80 minutes is transmitted to the DX LIST inside your radio, so you can also check for any future passes. PROJECT: Rather than having to have 1000 volunteers all over the world, one in the footprint of every APRS local area have to operate and maintain one of these programs (which is why most people never see these alerts), it would be nice if there was just ONE central server that fed this data everywhere. Then only one person would have to update the server when new satellites were launched and once every week or so to download new TLE element sets. ISSUES: In one sense this would be a great step forward, in centralizing the generation of this data. But the problem is, that it still will not go from the APRS-internet stream back to local RF in each local area, unless a local Igate operator adds the server to his gate-to-RF list. But at least that is much simpler than having to maintain a program. Local AMSAT mobiles who want this feed, just ask their local Igate operator to add the server, and from then on, whenever mobile, they will see these alerts. RESULT: Every mobile everywhere that is in view of a satellite, even without any prior planning, will be alerted to a satellite in view, its direction and elevation, its frequency and its Doppler, right there on the front panel of his APRS radio. See the web page for what these displays look like on an APRS radio: Bob, WB4APR ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
Actually, There is another similar WEB page project That does the same thing for ALL mobile operators, Not just those with APRS displays. It is simpler And only has a single TEXT output: Please see the idea on this web page: http://www.aprs.org/MobileLEOtracking.html PROJECT OBJECTIVE: Develop a web page that any amateur radio operator can go to that will print out this very simple PAPER tracking device. It is just a piece of paper with 5 columns for each of 5 days, and on each of those five days, the TIME of the best overhead pass for that users local area (morning and evening). For ECHO (AO51) this simple piece of paper with 10 times on it can be used for SHOWING the pass times of ALL morning and evening passes for the next 2 or 3 months! You don't need no stinkin computer to always know when AO51 is overhead while you are mobile! Just look at the TIME on the paper for today's date. (ECHO's pass times repeat every 5 days)... Each other satellite has similar REPEATABILITY. Just pring one of these slips of papwer for your favorite satellite, and you will never need to do a prediciton again, yet, will always hve what you need in the car to predict each day's pass times. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 PM To: 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor) I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can. I run my own web server built by myself and a few websites. Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the next thing I think might be valuable to help the general amateur radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again, this might not be at all what you are interested in, but let me have a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this fits anyone's talents. PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking program and to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know when to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade. OBJECTIVE: What we need is a service that continuously feeds SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there on their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view. This way, you can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet, and right their even without ASKING, the information will be PUSHED to you. SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about 1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL individual runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local region, and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring the national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT information not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH, ELEVATION and FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND DOPPLER! You can see examples of this system on http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about 90% down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE ALERTS. This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are mobile and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your area, and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will be able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output the satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The info on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above the horizon. Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE of any satellites coming up in the next 80 minutes is transmitted to the DX LIST inside your radio, so you can also check for any future passes. PROJECT: Rather than having to have 1000 volunteers all over the world, one in the footprint of every APRS local area have to operate and maintain one of these programs (which is why most people never see these alerts), it would be nice if there was just ONE central server that fed this data everywhere. Then only one person would have to update the server when new satellites were launched and once every week or so to download new TLE element sets. ISSUES: In one sense this would be a great step forward, in centralizing the generation of this data. But the problem is, that it still will not go from the APRS-internet stream back to local RF in each local area, unless a local Igate operator adds the server to his gate-to-RF list. But at least that is much simpler than having to maintain a program. Local AMSAT mobiles who want this feed, just ask their local Igate operator to add the server, and from then on, whenever mobile, they will see these alerts. RESULT: Every mobile everywhere that is in view of a satellite, even without any prior planning, will be alerted to a satellite in view, its direction and elevation, its frequency and its Doppler, right there on the front panel of his APRS radio. See the web page for what these
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
I intended to reply both to Michael and the BB, but I see that I simply responded to him and not to all in my earlier note. My sense from his original post is that he is looking only for current-production HTs, and I believe the Alinco is it when it comes to full-fuplex-capable HTs. That being said, I have been doing some related research over the past several months. Some BB readers may recall a post I made a few months ago about the fully rechargeable satellite station. I have done some other things that I hope to include in an article for an upcoming issue of The AMSAT Journal, and I have discovered something that, I believe, could benefit all of us who enjoy using handheld stations. In addition to the TH-F6A HT from Kenwood, I have had an opportunity to use a Yaesu VR-500 handheld all-mode receiver. The general coverage receiver in the Kenwood is all-mode, as is the VR-500. Either also can serve as a receive radio for a station on the linear satellites, albeit with manual Doppler tuning. Most notable for those of us who enjoy using handheld stations for the FM satellites is the fact that the Kenwood's general coverage receiver and the Yaesu VR-500 each offer tuning steps down to 1 kHz and below, even in FM. As I recall, the Kenwood HT can tune as finely as 33 Hz. The VR-500 will tune as finely as 100 Hz. I routinely tune it in 1 kHz steps on the FM satellites. Doing so enables me to track Doppler on the UHF downlinks of our FM satellites much more accurately, and that has made a big difference in my ability to make handheld contacts. Those who choose to ignore the inarguable fact that high power isn't necessary for effective FM LEO satellite contacts still make things difficult for me and others who enjoy using handheld stations. I've accepted the fact that the situation won't ever change, which is disappointing. Nonetheless - from here, I believe that using a 2-radio full-duplex setup for the FM satellites that incorporates a receive radio capable of tuning in 1 kHz (or finer) steps actually represents the most effective option because of the improved receive capability the smaller tuning steps provide. Many of us would like to see more HT manufacturers adopt full-duplex as a feature on at least one current-production model. I also would like to cast my vote for (1) general coverage receivers that, like the TH-F6A, are all-mode, and (2) tuning steps finer than 5 kHz for FM that will work on both transmit AND receive. I am thrilled with the news that AMSAT is moving forward with plans to build and launch a 1U cub sat with a U/V (Mode B) transponder. However, consistently hitting the uplink with HTs that tune no finer than 5 kHz will be a challenge. I learned that last winter when the ISS repeater was active in Mode B. When I used my FT-817 as a transmit radio and could use the main tuning dial to infinitely fine-tune the uplink, I had much better - and more consistent - success hitting the uplink than with my HT, which will only tune in 5 kHz steps. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL 73 to all, Tim - N3TL Athens, Ga. - EM84ha From: Alan P. Biddle apbid...@united.net To: Michael Chen michael.bd...@gmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:02:14 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation Michael, That is a good reference from JoAnne. Most on the list will work well, particularly the TH-D7 and the IC-W32A. However, before you purchase one, be certain to research how well it actually works for satellite ops. For instance, I have an Alinco DJ-G7 which has great specifications, but works very poorly for satellite ops, though it is a nice general purpose unit. Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Chen Sent: 20 October, 2009 09:12 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] HT supports full duplex satellite operation All, Could anyone list the HT models (available today in the market) that support full duplex satellite operation? I know I can get connected with two HTs and portable cross Yagi. Just need a simpler solution. IC-W23AT and TH-D7 are discontinued. Michael Chen, BD5RV/4 Email: michael.bd...@gmail.com MSN: bd...@jsdxc.org Skype: michael-bd5rv ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
I am thrilled with the news that AMSAT is moving forward with plans to build and launch a 1U cub sat with a U/V (Mode B) transponder. However, consistently hitting the uplink with HTs that tune no finer than 5 kHz will be a challenge. I learned that last winter when the ISS repeater was active in Mode B. When I used my FT-817 as a transmit radio and could use the main tuning dial to infinitely fine-tune the uplink, I had much better - and more consistent - success hitting the uplink than with my HT, which will only tune in 5 kHz steps. It's all in the receiver design. The ISS D-700 isn't designed as a satellite receiver, and has a narrow front end. Think of it this way. With 5 khz steps you are always within 2.5 khz of being on frequency, right? We operate the V/U FM satellites all the time without tuning the uplink, and that means we are up to 3 khz off, and everything works fine! So 2.5 khz will be a piece of cake too, plus folks will hear the 2m downlink much easier. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] AO-07
Hi folks, Please is there a schedule like the old AO-13 to understand on which mode is The AO-7? Every time I have the Ao-7 on my QTH I cannot hear it and cannot understand if it is not in mode B Or I have a problem. Thanks 73 de Enzo IK8OZV EasyLog 5 BetaTester EasyLog PDA BetaTester WinBollet BetaTester D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania Skype: ik8ozv8520 *** *GSM +39 338 9749786 * *SMS +39 338 9749786 * *FAX +39 328 7244294 * ***2nd e-mail: vim...@tin.it*** *** ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Bob and Dan - I sympathize with what you're saying and know you both have AMSAT's best interests at heart. But unfortunately I don't see this exchange going in a positive direction. We all know this is not the first time somebody has come on this mailing list lacking a constructive motive. It appears that, with such a person, it is a counter-productive to continue the exchange. No matter what meaningful and accurate comments you might make, it will get twisted or otherwise re-interpreted in a negative fashion or in the light most favorable to an ulterior agenda. This is *my opinion* as an AMSAT member and thus *not* something I will debate online, or in private for that matter. Thus understand in advance [Rocky] why I will ignore any non-constructive responses to this message. I think we agree this list is a great thing for those wanting information, having bona fide questions, or wishing to offer a constructive opinion. I will be happy to exchange messages with anybody who (in my opinion) is engaging in something positive or constructive. I would, however, recommend that those of us who have AMSAT's best interest at heart try something different to deal with negativism. My suggestion is to attempt once (and only once) to steer things in a positive or constructive direction. If that fails, simply state that you are not obligated to exchange messages with anybody you believe is not pursing a positive or constructive agenda. Make it incumbent on the person making the objectionable comments to put things back in a positive direction if they wish to get any replies. If everybody who has AMSAT's best interests at heart followed that, I think we'd have much better exchanges on this list. Just a thought... 73, Ken N2WWD -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu Sent: Oct 20, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'Rocky Jones' orbit...@hotmail.com, n8...@usa.net, 'Amsat BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch so what? We should never on the BB have differences with the direction that the satellite program is going? YOu have to be kidding. No we are not.. You clearly do not understand volunteerism in a highly techincal endeavor where Those that can... DO and Those that can't should contribute or GET OUT OF THE WAY. The only comments I and others have raised or made have been completely professional. No, just incessant whining and no productive contribution. Either BUILD something, or contribute to those that are, or shut up and get out of the way.. (my personal opinion since I have NO position within AMSAT other than as a contributor where I can). And fair questions deserve fair answers. Yes, do some work instead of driviling... go develop some answers, and stop acting like a troll just wasting everyone's time. what have I gotten back? you are a troll Yes, all of your posts seem to meet that definition perfectly... Hope you are having a good morning. I will when I can stop having to read your drivel every morning... Bob ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Weekend on the Birds
John Papay wrote: This past weekend on the birds was second to none that I've experienced in the past two years. We had grid dxpeditions on the east and west coast, two hamfest demonstrations, the Boy Scout Jamboree stations and an Alaska Statehood special event station operating. Patrick, WD9EWK, was at the Old Pueblo Radio Club Hamfest in Tucson and made a big detour to continue down I-10 to the Arizona/New Mexico state line where he operated from in the afternoon. Doug, KD8CAO, was at the Holland Michigan Lakeshore Super Swap Hamfest and put on a demonstration there. Mark WA8SME operated on one AO-27 pass from the DN00/DN01 grid boundary, two very rare Nevada grids. John W6ZKH operated from DM07 but had some trouble with his equipment on this particular pass. He said he will go back some day. Mark also said he might be able to operate from DM07 in the near future. Then we had the Boy Scouts Jamboree on the Air with quite a few different stations operating on all of the FM birds including K2BSA/5, W0S, K5B etc. The most prominent grid dxpedition this weekend was by Richard, N2SPI. He had originally planned to operate from FN53, FN56, FN57, FN66 and FN67 but he found a way to also operate from FN55 and FN65 as well. He worked on the FM birds as well as VO-52. This operation began Saturday morning and finished up Sunday afternoon, about 30 hours from the first qso until the last on AO-27 at 1853z. Richard operated at least one pass in each of seven grids and never operated on a grid boundary. This was quite a trip! Richard returned back to Massachusetts late Sunday night. The weekend rounded out with an announcement to look for KL5O, an Alaska Special Event Station, on the birds. The AO-7 pass Sunday evening at 0043Z had at least 14 different stations operating including WV9E, KE5GFJ, WA4NVM, AA4FL, AA5PK, K6CDW, KE2CKO, K0OU, K3SZH, AJ9K, KD8CAO, W7LRD, K8YSE and KL5O! KL5O was down around 937 late in the pass. So if you think that there is no one on AO-7, this should put that thought to rest. Many of them were talking about KL5O. A special event does draw people to the birds just like it does on the HF bands. Of course working Alaska is a special treat under any situation. I believe KL7XJ was the operator. Activity is on the rise on the SSB birds in general. Many that have been active on the FM birds are getting equipment set up for the SSB/CW birds. It's nice to be able to have a qso that involves more than a callsign and grid exchange. We hope to have FO-29 back soon but VO-52 and AO-7 are there for us every day. A big thanks to all of the grid dxpeditioners who spent a lot of time and money operating from places away from their homes. They have given us many new grids. I hope this encourages others to try their hand at operating from other grids. It's a lot of work but you will have a lot of fun and satisfaction doing it. 73, John K8YSE John Papay j...@papays.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Hi John, Yes it was a busy weekend and yes it was I, KL7XJ operating as KL5O special event station. I was the only Satellite op from Alaska. We had numerous HF stations on state wide. This our states 50th statehood anniversary year. I was contacted shortly before and asked to do the satellite ops. Did not have much time to get a message out to let folks know about the event. The dates were selected as the anniversary when the US purchased Alaska from Russia for 2 cents an acre. I want to thank all the stations that participated. I know there were others that were trying to get the contact. Again I apologize for not getting more info out in time.. The www.KL5O.com website will have the QSL info. My logs have been submitted. 73, Dale - KL7XJ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
... looking only for current-production HTs, and I believe the Alinco is it when it comes to full-fuplex-capable HTs ... And unless Alinco comes up with a miracle-of-a-firmware-release, that little rig is not suitable for working the FM birds. ... In addition to the TH-F6A HT from Kenwood ... Just so that there's no confusion, the TH-F6a is *not* a true full- duplex radio. Dual-receive, yes. But key the mic, and nothing is heard on the sub-band. Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
Hi Drew, My work-around (unless someone comes out with a finer-tuning HT between now and then!) is simple. I'm going to use a combination of the 5 kHz and 12.5 kHz tuning steps on my HT to program a set of memories that Doppller tunes the uplink in 2.5 kHz steps. That way, I'll be able to stay fairly close to the uplink throughout the pass. I'm confident the one true rule will still apply regardless of the receiver design. It has on AO-7 and VO-52 when I've worked passes using AFSK through an HT to send CW on those Mode B satellites. I'll use the same downlink in each memory because I've done just the opposite with our Mode J satellites - that is, use the same VHF uplink all the time and only Doppler-tune the downlink. Please don't mistake my comments as any kind of criticism; they aren't intended that way at all. I'm looking forward to the challenge, and just hope others understand that one true rule and its impact on Mode B operations. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL From: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbren...@mindspring.com To: Tim - N3TL n...@bellsouth.net Cc: apbid...@mailaps.org; Michael Chen michael.bd...@gmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:20:17 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation I am thrilled with the news that AMSAT is moving forward with plans to build and launch a 1U cub sat with a U/V (Mode B) transponder. However, consistently hitting the uplink with HTs that tune no finer than 5 kHz will be a challenge. I learned that last winter when the ISS repeater was active in Mode B. When I used my FT-817 as a transmit radio and could use the main tuning dial to infinitely fine-tune the uplink, I had much better - and more consistent - success hitting the uplink than with my HT, which will only tune in 5 kHz steps. It's all in the receiver design. The ISS D-700 isn't designed as a satellite receiver, and has a narrow front end. Think of it this way. With 5 khz steps you are always within 2.5 khz of being on frequency, right? We operate the V/U FM satellites all the time without tuning the uplink, and that means we are up to 3 khz off, and everything works fine! So 2.5 khz will be a piece of cake too, plus folks will hear the 2m downlink much easier. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: W6FOG ???
I would go with what you heard about departure date...I got my report from someone else and I'm not even sure they spoke directly with Neil -Original Message- From: D. Craig Fox [mailto:d...@rwglaw.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:24 AM To: David Wing; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: W6FOG ??? I spoke to Neil last night on VO52. He said that a storm off Baja was delaying his departure. I thought he said 3 days, but I may have misunderstood. He always has a nice strong signal, just no doppler control. Craig N6RSX -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org]on Behalf Of David Wing Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:04 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: W6FOG ??? I have not spoken to Neil (W6FOG) but I have heard that he has postponed his departure due to the hurricane activity coming into Mexico from the Pacific. What I've heard is that he is now planning to depart on 11/4 but I have not spoken directly with Neil. 73 David K6CDW -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Alvaro de Leon Romo Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:31 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] W6FOG ??? Hi guys is W6FOG on schedule ? He will use all FM satellites ? or just AO51 ... TNX Al XE2AT Pd someone has heard him ?? _ Si no está en Windows Live, nunca pasó http://www.actualizatuperfil.com.mx/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, please advise the sender by reply email and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Fwd: SSPI Mid-Atlantic Evening Networking Program: ITAR Reform
Is anyone on AMSAT-bb or AMSAT-DC interested to attend ITAR event of SSPI ? I would like to attend, but will be unable to. $20 or $10 depending upon if you are SSPI member or not. 73 de N3RDX -- Forwarded message -- From: travis.tay...@intelsat.com Date: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:50 PM Subject: SSPI Mid-Atlantic Evening Networking Program: ITAR Reform To: samudra.ha...@gmail.com SSPI Mid-Atlantic invites you to *An Evening Networking Program Event* ITAR Reform: What does the future hold for ITAR and what will its impact be on the satellite industry? *10* *22* *09* * Moderator* * John Ordwayhttp://www.sspi.org/link.asp?ymlink=114141finalurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebcr%2Ddc%2Ecom%2F2006%2Fen%2Fjohn%5Fordway%2Eshtml * Partner, Berliner, Corcoran Rowe, L.L.P.http://www.sspi.org/link.asp?ymlink=114141finalurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Elinkedin%2Ecom%2Fcompanies%2Fberliner%2Dcorcoran%2D%2526%2Drowe%2Dllp%3Ftrk%3Dppro%5Fcprof%26lnk%3Dvw%5Fcprofile * Panelists* *Franceska Schroeder* http://www.sspi.org/link.asp?ymlink=114141finalurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Efr%2Ecom%2Fdirectory%2Fdirectory%2Ecfm%3Faid%3D753 Principal, Fish Richardson, P.C. * Kent Bossarthttp://www.sspi.org/link.asp?ymlink=114141finalurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eintelsat%2Ecom%2F * Director of Trade Compliance, Intelsat *THURSDAY | Please join us this Thursday, October 22 at 6:30 p.m. to network and hear a discussion on ITAR reform.* ** *ITAR* is a hotly debated topic with discussion centering around U.S. export reform to encourage competition and diversification. Recently, several satellite operators have joined forces in an attempt to influence legislators that change is necessary. Join us to hear industry experts provide their perspective on ITAR, the current effort that is underway to influence change, and what ITAR's future may be for the satellite industry. Join other satellite professionals for an evening of networking and learning, all beginning at 6:30 p.m. Bring your *questions* and *business cards*! Location Intelsat 3400 International Drive NW Washington, DC 20008 (*directions*http://www.sspi.org/link.asp?ymlink=114141finalurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eintelsat%2Ecom%2Fcontact%2Dus%2Fcorporate%2Fdirections%2Ddc%2Doffice%2Easp ) Time 6:30 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Cost $10 members $20 non-members *Cash or check only, please.* (*join now!*http://www.sspi.org/link.asp?ymlink=114141finalurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esspi%2Eorg%2F%3Fpage%3DMembership ) RSVP travis.tay...@intelsat.com by Tuesday, October 20, 2009 www.sspi.orghttp://www.sspi.org/link.asp?ymlink=114141finalurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esspi%2Eorg ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-07
Vincenzo, Here is the link to the AO-7 Log page, which should prove very helpful: http://www.planetemily.com/ao7/ao7log.php?PHPSESSID=71f968d1c9db80c36565267171ae025b On it, you should notice that the toggle between Mode A and Mode B seems to occur sometime between 0400 UTC and 0600 UTC daily. I use 0600 UTC as my personal guide. Based on the way that toggle has been occurring, the following rule of thumb should continue to apply until the Grand Old Girl decides to do something else on her own hihi. Using the calendar as a guide: October 2009 - She will switch to Mode A between 0400 UTC and 0600 UTC on odd-numbered days Ie.g., Oct.21, 23, 25, etc.). She will switch to Mode B between 0400 UTC and 0600 UTC on even-number days (Oct. 22, 24, 26, etc.). November and December 2009 - She will switch to Mode A between 0400 UTC and 0600 UTC on EVEN-numbered days (Nov. AND Dec. 2,4,6,etc.). She will switch to Mode B between 0400 UTC and 0600 UTC on ODD-numbered days (Nov. and Dec. 1.3.5, etc.). Please note that for quite some time earlier this year, she remained in Mode B without a mode switch. Use the AO-7 Log Web page to confirm her mode whenever you are planning to operate. I hope this is helpful. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL From: Vincenzo Mone vim...@alice.it To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:17:16 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 Hi folks, Please is there a schedule like the old AO-13 to understand on which mode is The AO-7? Every time I have the Ao-7 on my QTH I cannot hear it and cannot understand if it is not in mode B Or I have a problem. Thanks 73 de Enzo IK8OZV EasyLog 5 BetaTester EasyLog PDA BetaTester WinBollet BetaTester D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania Skype: ik8ozv8520 *** * GSM +39 338 9749786 * * SMS +39 338 9749786 * * FAX +39 328 7244294 * *** 2nd e-mail: vim...@tin.it *** *** ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-07
I just check the AO-7 log to see what mode is being reported by recent contacts: http://www.planetemily.com/ao7/ao7log.php My understanding is that when AO-7 goes into eclipse, it shuts down and then when it comes back into sunlight, it re-boots and randomly selects a mode. Right now while it is always in sunlight, there is a 24 hour timer that toggles between modes A and B. 73, David K6CDW -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Vincenzo Mone Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:17 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 Hi folks, Please is there a schedule like the old AO-13 to understand on which mode is The AO-7? Every time I have the Ao-7 on my QTH I cannot hear it and cannot understand if it is not in mode B Or I have a problem. Thanks 73 de Enzo IK8OZV EasyLog 5 BetaTester EasyLog PDA BetaTester WinBollet BetaTester D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania Skype: ik8ozv8520 *** *GSM +39 338 9749786 * *SMS +39 338 9749786 * *FAX +39 328 7244294 * ***2nd e-mail: vim...@tin.it*** *** ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
Tim - N3TL wrote: Please don't mistake my comments as any kind of criticism; they aren't intended that way at all. I'm looking forward to the challenge, and just hope others understand that one true rule and its impact on Mode B operations. I didn't see it as a criticism, more a misunderstanding that I could help correct. SO-35 operated in FM, Mode U/V and was a real joy to work. I could work it horizon to horizon with a DR-605 dual band mobile and a 1/4 wave whip horizon to horizon, all in 5 khz steps. It was my only entertainment for a very long winter spent babysitting a drill crew in the upper midwest. Our cube probably won't have the downlink strength SO-35 did, but that doesn't change how the uplink will work. I wouldn't sweat it too much, the same gear you use for V/U will be fine for U/V FM satellites. 73, Drew ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
I trust, Clint, that you noted in the full post you excerpted these comments from that I made a POINT of noting (1) that I use a 2-radio setup for full duplex operation here, and (2) that I was referring to the TH-F6A as my receive radio. That being said, and for the record - NO HT currently in production from Icom, Kenwood or Yaesu offers full-duplex operation. 73 to all, Tim - N3TL From: Clint Bradford clintbra...@earthlink.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:29:20 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation ... looking only for current-production HTs, and I believe the Alinco is it when it comes to full-fuplex-capable HTs ... And unless Alinco comes up with a miracle-of-a-firmware-release, that little rig is not suitable for working the FM birds. ... In addition to the TH-F6A HT from Kenwood Just so that there's no confusion, the TH-F6a is *not* a true full- duplex radio. Dual-receive, yes. But key the mic, and nothing is heard on the sub-band. Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
Hi Bob, I think the following site does pretty much what you are asking http://www.heavens-above.com/ If you register there and input your location one of the options is to display a list of Amateur Satellites for a 24 hour period. It does list all passes and not just the best. You can use the next button to select the following days. The site developer Chris Peat is very helpful, I am sure he could tweak the page to better suite our needs Steve G6UIM -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruni...@usna.edu] Sent: 20 October 2009 18:06 To: bruni...@usna.edu; 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor) Actually, There is another similar WEB page project That does the same thing for ALL mobile operators, Not just those with APRS displays. It is simpler And only has a single TEXT output: Please see the idea on this web page: http://www.aprs.org/MobileLEOtracking.html PROJECT OBJECTIVE: Develop a web page that any amateur radio operator can go to that will print out this very simple PAPER tracking device. It is just a piece of paper with 5 columns for each of 5 days, and on each of those five days, the TIME of the best overhead pass for that users local area (morning and evening). For ECHO (AO51) this simple piece of paper with 10 times on it can be used for SHOWING the pass times of ALL morning and evening passes for the next 2 or 3 months! You don't need no stinkin computer to always know when AO51 is overhead while you are mobile! Just look at the TIME on the paper for today's date. (ECHO's pass times repeat every 5 days)... Each other satellite has similar REPEATABILITY. Just pring one of these slips of papwer for your favorite satellite, and you will never need to do a prediciton again, yet, will always hve what you need in the car to predict each day's pass times. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 PM To: 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor) I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can. I run my own web server built by myself and a few websites. Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the next thing I think might be valuable to help the general amateur radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again, this might not be at all what you are interested in, but let me have a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this fits anyone's talents. PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking program and to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know when to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade. OBJECTIVE: What we need is a service that continuously feeds SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there on their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view. This way, you can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet, and right their even without ASKING, the information will be PUSHED to you. SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about 1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL individual runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local region, and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring the national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT information not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH, ELEVATION and FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND DOPPLER! You can see examples of this system on http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about 90% down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE ALERTS. This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are mobile and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your area, and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will be able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output the satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The info on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above the horizon. Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE of any satellites coming up in the next 80 minutes is transmitted to the DX LIST inside your radio, so you can also check for any future passes. PROJECT: Rather than having to have 1000 volunteers all over the world, one in the footprint of every APRS local area have to operate and maintain one of these programs (which is why most people never see these alerts), it would be nice if there was just ONE central server that fed this data everywhere. Then only one person would have to update the server when new satellites were launched and once every week or so to download new TLE element sets. ISSUES: In one sense this would be a great step forward, in centralizing the generation of this data. But the problem
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Ken. I concur the conversation is pointless. how pointless can be seen in the childish level that folks like Frank B have dropped to. It is typical internet flame... Look the BOD is simply non responsive. they are going to do it how they are going to do it...and they theory is to shut down any differing viewpoints. See how suitsat 2 goes. If it is a success then wow their theory is validated and I will be the first to congratulate them. If not. Pick up the conversation then Robert WB5MZO Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:26:41 -0400 From: n2...@mindspring.com To: bruni...@usna.edu; orbit...@hotmail.com; n8...@usa.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch Bob and Dan - I sympathize with what you're saying and know you both have AMSAT's best interests at heart. But unfortunately I don't see this exchange going in a positive direction. We all know this is not the first time somebody has come on this mailing list lacking a constructive motive. It appears that, with such a person, it is a counter-productive to continue the exchange. No matter what meaningful and accurate comments you might make, it will get twisted or otherwise re-interpreted in a negative fashion or in the light most favorable to an ulterior agenda. This is *my opinion* as an AMSAT member and thus *not* something I will debate online, or in private for that matter. Thus understand in advance [Rocky] why I will ignore any non-constructive responses to this message. I think we agree this list is a great thing for those wanting information, having bona fide questions, or wishing to offer a constructive opinion. I will be happy to exchange messages with anybody who (in my opinion) is engaging in something positive or constructive. I would, however, recommend that those of us who have AMSAT's best interest at heart try something different to deal with negativism. My suggestion is to attempt once (and only once) to steer things in a positive or constructive direction. If that fails, simply state that you are not obligated to exchange messages with anybody you believe is not pursing a positive or constructive agenda. Make it incumbent on the person making the objectionable comments to put things back in a positive direction if they wish to get any replies. If everybody who has AMSAT's best interests at heart followed that, I think we'd have much better exchanges on this list. Just a thought... 73, Ken N2WWD -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu Sent: Oct 20, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'Rocky Jones' orbit...@hotmail.com, n8...@usa.net, 'Amsat BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch so what? We should never on the BB have differences with the direction that the satellite program is going? YOu have to be kidding. No we are not.. You clearly do not understand volunteerism in a highly techincal endeavor where Those that can... DO and Those that can't should contribute or GET OUT OF THE WAY. The only comments I and others have raised or made have been completely professional. No, just incessant whining and no productive contribution. Either BUILD something, or contribute to those that are, or shut up and get out of the way.. (my personal opinion since I have NO position within AMSAT other than as a contributor where I can). And fair questions deserve fair answers. Yes, do some work instead of driviling... go develop some answers, and stop acting like a troll just wasting everyone's time. what have I gotten back? you are a troll Yes, all of your posts seem to meet that definition perfectly... Hope you are having a good morning. I will when I can stop having to read your drivel every morning... Bob ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] QSL cards mailed today
Hi! After printing more QSL cards on Sunday and writing out almost 200 cards along with envelopes last night, I dropped a large batch of envelopes at the post office this morning. These cards cover my activity from the east coast around the recently-concluded AMSAT Symposium (Washington DC/FM18, BWI Airport MD/FM19, Bear DE/FM29), as well as Saturday's activity - the Tucson AZ hamfest (DM42) in the morning, and at or just east of the Arizona/New Mexico state line (DM52) in the afternoon/early evening. Thanks to all who worked WD9EWK from these locations over the past couple of weeks. I enjoy getting on the air from almost anywhere I go, and the QSLing after the trip is an important part of that. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Please don't feed the trolls
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/w6zkh/troll-web.jpg - Original Message - From: David Wing da...@cdwing.com To: Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] Please don't feed the trolls ...it just teaches them to hang around and be trolls ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: QSL cards mailed today
Patrick, Thank you for your efforts to promote AMSAT and satellite operations. I appreciate them very much, and I know many others do, too. Tim - N3TL From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) amsat...@wd9ewk.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:17:30 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] QSL cards mailed today Hi! After printing more QSL cards on Sunday and writing out almost 200 cards along with envelopes last night, I dropped a large batch of envelopes at the post office this morning. These cards cover my activity from the east coast around the recently-concluded AMSAT Symposium (Washington DC/FM18, BWI Airport MD/FM19, Bear DE/FM29), as well as Saturday's activity - the Tucson AZ hamfest (DM42) in the morning, and at or just east of the Arizona/New Mexico state line (DM52) in the afternoon/early evening. Thanks to all who worked WD9EWK from these locations over the past couple of weeks. I enjoy getting on the air from almost anywhere I go, and the QSLing after the trip is an important part of that. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: QSL cards mailed today
I second that emotion! Thanks Patrick! David K6CDW -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Tim - N3TL Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:37 AM To: amsat...@wd9ewk.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL cards mailed today Patrick, Thank you for your efforts to promote AMSAT and satellite operations. I appreciate them very much, and I know many others do, too. Tim - N3TL From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) amsat...@wd9ewk.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:17:30 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] QSL cards mailed today Hi! After printing more QSL cards on Sunday and writing out almost 200 cards along with envelopes last night, I dropped a large batch of envelopes at the post office this morning. These cards cover my activity from the east coast around the recently-concluded AMSAT Symposium (Washington DC/FM18, BWI Airport MD/FM19, Bear DE/FM29), as well as Saturday's activity - the Tucson AZ hamfest (DM42) in the morning, and at or just east of the Arizona/New Mexico state line (DM52) in the afternoon/early evening. Thanks to all who worked WD9EWK from these locations over the past couple of weeks. I enjoy getting on the air from almost anywhere I go, and the QSLing after the trip is an important part of that. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: QSL cards mailed today
Hi Patrick! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Your GridXpeditions are appreciated by one and all. I am sure the demonstrations at the hamfests, and other events, capture the attention of possible future satellite ops, young and old alike. It never ceases to amaze me how much fun one can have, along with the challange, of trying to work for WAS Satellite or VUCC Satellite while tracking and attempting to hit, with RF, a roughly 1 cubic foot object moving nearly 17,000 MPH. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) amsat...@wd9ewk.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] QSL cards mailed today Hi! After printing more QSL cards on Sunday and writing out almost 200 cards along with envelopes last night, I dropped a large batch of envelopes at the post office this morning. These cards cover my activity from the east coast around the recently-concluded AMSAT Symposium (Washington DC/FM18, BWI Airport MD/FM19, Bear DE/FM29), as well as Saturday's activity - the Tucson AZ hamfest (DM42) in the morning, and at or just east of the Arizona/New Mexico state line (DM52) in the afternoon/early evening. Thanks to all who worked WD9EWK from these locations over the past couple of weeks. I enjoy getting on the air from almost anywhere I go, and the QSLing after the trip is an important part of that. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
Hi Bob, I think the following site does pretty much what you are asking http://www.heavens-above.com/ If you register there and input your location one of the options is to display a list of Amateur Satellites for a 24 hour period. It does list all passes and not just the best. You can use the next button to select the following days. The site developer Chris Peat is very helpful, I am sure he could tweak the page to better suite our needs Steve G6UIM -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruni...@usna.edu] Sent: 20 October 2009 18:06 To: bruni...@usna.edu; 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor) Actually, There is another similar WEB page project That does the same thing for ALL mobile operators, Not just those with APRS displays. It is simpler And only has a single TEXT output: Please see the idea on this web page: http://www.aprs.org/MobileLEOtracking.html PROJECT OBJECTIVE: Develop a web page that any amateur radio operator can go to that will print out this very simple PAPER tracking device. It is just a piece of paper with 5 columns for each of 5 days, and on each of those five days, the TIME of the best overhead pass for that users local area (morning and evening). For ECHO (AO51) this simple piece of paper with 10 times on it can be used for SHOWING the pass times of ALL morning and evening passes for the next 2 or 3 months! You don't need no stinkin computer to always know when AO51 is overhead while you are mobile! Just look at the TIME on the paper for today's date. (ECHO's pass times repeat every 5 days)... Each other satellite has similar REPEATABILITY. Just pring one of these slips of papwer for your favorite satellite, and you will never need to do a prediciton again, yet, will always hve what you need in the car to predict each day's pass times. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 PM To: 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor) I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can. I run my own web server built by myself and a few websites. Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the next thing I think might be valuable to help the general amateur radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again, this might not be at all what you are interested in, but let me have a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this fits anyone's talents. PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking program and to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know when to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade. OBJECTIVE: What we need is a service that continuously feeds SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there on their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view. This way, you can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet, and right their even without ASKING, the information will be PUSHED to you. SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about 1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL individual runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local region, and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring the national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT information not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH, ELEVATION and FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND DOPPLER! You can see examples of this system on http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about 90% down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE ALERTS. This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are mobile and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your area, and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will be able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output the satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The info on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above the horizon. Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE of any satellites coming up in the next 80 minutes is transmitted to the DX LIST inside your radio, so you can also check for any future passes. PROJECT: Rather than having to have 1000 volunteers all over the world, one in the footprint of every APRS local area have to operate and maintain one of these programs (which is why most people never see these alerts), it would be nice if there was just ONE central server that fed this data everywhere. Then only one person would have to update the server when new satellites were launched and once every week or so to download new TLE element sets. ISSUES: In one sense this would be a great step forward, in centralizing the generation of this data. But the
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
http://ibcnu.us/ APRS on the iPhone http://www.apptism.com/apps?query=prosat sat tracking on the iPhone -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Steve Daniels Sent: October 20, 2009 2:59 PM To: bruni...@usna.edu Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor) Hi Bob, I think the following site does pretty much what you are asking http://www.heavens-above.com/ If you register there and input your location one of the options is to display a list of Amateur Satellites for a 24 hour period. It does list all passes and not just the best. You can use the next button to select the following days. The site developer Chris Peat is very helpful, I am sure he could tweak the page to better suite our needs Steve G6UIM -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruni...@usna.edu] Sent: 20 October 2009 18:06 To: bruni...@usna.edu; 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor) Actually, There is another similar WEB page project That does the same thing for ALL mobile operators, Not just those with APRS displays. It is simpler And only has a single TEXT output: Please see the idea on this web page: http://www.aprs.org/MobileLEOtracking.html PROJECT OBJECTIVE: Develop a web page that any amateur radio operator can go to that will print out this very simple PAPER tracking device. It is just a piece of paper with 5 columns for each of 5 days, and on each of those five days, the TIME of the best overhead pass for that users local area (morning and evening). For ECHO (AO51) this simple piece of paper with 10 times on it can be used for SHOWING the pass times of ALL morning and evening passes for the next 2 or 3 months! You don't need no stinkin computer to always know when AO51 is overhead while you are mobile! Just look at the TIME on the paper for today's date. (ECHO's pass times repeat every 5 days)... Each other satellite has similar REPEATABILITY. Just pring one of these slips of papwer for your favorite satellite, and you will never need to do a prediciton again, yet, will always hve what you need in the car to predict each day's pass times. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 PM To: 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor) I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can. I run my own web server built by myself and a few websites. Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the next thing I think might be valuable to help the general amateur radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again, this might not be at all what you are interested in, but let me have a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this fits anyone's talents. PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking program and to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know when to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade. OBJECTIVE: What we need is a service that continuously feeds SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there on their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view. This way, you can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet, and right their even without ASKING, the information will be PUSHED to you. SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about 1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL individual runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local region, and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring the national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT information not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH, ELEVATION and FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND DOPPLER! You can see examples of this system on http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about 90% down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE ALERTS. This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are mobile and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your area, and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will be able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output the satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The info on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above the horizon. Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE of any satellites coming up in the next 80 minutes is transmitted to the DX LIST inside your radio, so you can also check for any future passes. PROJECT: Rather than
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
It's already been done a few weeks ago. Michael Chen wrote: All, Could anyone list the HT models (available today in the market) that support full duplex satellite operation? ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
I would suggerst the you contribute far more than the majority of members. Many of your professional projects have amateur spin-offs and involvement. Robert Bruninga wrote: (my personal opinion since I have NO position within AMSAT other than as a contributor where I can). ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
I believe Kenwood is going to 're offer ' a newer version of their recently disco'd TH7 ht On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Clint Bradford wrote: ... looking only for current-production HTs, and I believe the Alinco is it when it comes to full-fuplex-capable HTs ... And unless Alinco comes up with a miracle-of-a-firmware-release, that little rig is not suitable for working the FM birds. ... In addition to the TH-F6A HT from Kenwood ... Just so that there's no confusion, the TH-F6a is *not* a true full- duplex radio. Dual-receive, yes. But key the mic, and nothing is heard on the sub-band. Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Myles Landstein myles.landst...@gmail.com please note my new email address dti will soon be eliminated , gmail is my new home update your dir ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering
Hi David Sadly no I don't have any 2m design experience, my design experience is mostly high voltage switch mode PSU for powering Traveling Wave Tubes, and the microcontroller based management systems for controlling high power travelling wave tubes + PSUs. Mostly I have done the microcontroller aspect of that. Over recent years I have been mainly involved in I.T. admin in schools Steve G6UIM _ From: g0...@aol.com [mailto:g0...@aol.com] Sent: 20 October 2009 17:00 To: st...@daniels270.eclipse.co.uk Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering In a message dated 20/10/2009 15:57:17 GMT Standard Time, st...@daniels270.eclipse.co.uk writes: Thanks for the replies. Since I am in the UK I have contacted Jim off list Steve G6UIM Or, do you have any experience of designing for 2m ?(For the ESEO project) Thanks David G0MRF ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] W6FOG ???
I was monitoring VO-52s pass last night and heard him on there. Tim KI6VBY -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of amsat-bb-requ...@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:57 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 557 Send AMSAT-BB mailing list submissions to amsat-bb@amsat.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to amsat-bb-requ...@amsat.org You can reach the person managing the list at amsat-bb-ow...@amsat.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of AMSAT-BB digest... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.22/2446 - Release Date: 10/20/09 10:43:00 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
I think the following site does pretty much what you are asking http://www.heavens-above.com/ Actually, that is really quite different. That does what all tracking programs historically do... That is, they produce VOLUMINOUS precise predictions for every pass for every day. TO carry such an output in your car for a month would be about 30 sheets of paper. The small piece of paper that my proposal outputs is a single piece of paper with about 10 numbers on it, no bigger than about 2 by 3 suitable for taping to your dashboard above your radio. Yet that tiny square of paper can be used to estimate ALL pass times for ECHO (AO51) for one or more months, before needing to be replaced. Thanks Bob, WB4APR If you register there and input your location one of the options is to display a list of Amateur Satellites for a 24 hour period. It does list all passes and not just the best. You can use the next button to select the following days. The site developer Chris Peat is very helpful, I am sure he could tweak the page to better suite our needs Steve G6UIM -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruni...@usna.edu] Sent: 20 October 2009 18:06 To: bruni...@usna.edu; 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor) Actually, There is another similar WEB page project That does the same thing for ALL mobile operators, Not just those with APRS displays. It is simpler And only has a single TEXT output: Please see the idea on this web page: http://www.aprs.org/MobileLEOtracking.html PROJECT OBJECTIVE: Develop a web page that any amateur radio operator can go to that will print out this very simple PAPER tracking device. It is just a piece of paper with 5 columns for each of 5 days, and on each of those five days, the TIME of the best overhead pass for that users local area (morning and evening). For ECHO (AO51) this simple piece of paper with 10 times on it can be used for SHOWING the pass times of ALL morning and evening passes for the next 2 or 3 months! You don't need no stinkin computer to always know when AO51 is overhead while you are mobile! Just look at the TIME on the paper for today's date. (ECHO's pass times repeat every 5 days)... Each other satellite has similar REPEATABILITY. Just pring one of these slips of papwer for your favorite satellite, and you will never need to do a prediciton again, yet, will always hve what you need in the car to predict each day's pass times. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 PM To: 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor) I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever capacity I can. I run my own web server built by myself and a few websites. Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the next thing I think might be valuable to help the general amateur radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again, this might not be at all what you are interested in, but let me have a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this fits anyone's talents. PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking program and to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know when to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade. OBJECTIVE: What we need is a service that continuously feeds SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there on their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view. This way, you can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet, and right their even without ASKING, the information will be PUSHED to you. SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about 1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL individual runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local region, and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring the national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT information not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH, ELEVATION and FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND DOPPLER! You can see examples of this system on http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about 90% down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE ALERTS. This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are mobile and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your area, and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will be able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output the satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The info on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above the horizon. Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE
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[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite Predictor)
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 12:56 -0400, Robert Bruninga wrote: RESULT: Every mobile everywhere that is in view of a satellite, even without any prior planning, will be alerted to a satellite in view, its direction and elevation, its frequency and its Doppler, right there on the front panel of his APRS radio. Bob, I am one in total agreement with you on this one. We can all get this information on the iPhone, (and maybe other smart phones), our netbooks, laptops and our desktops. But while driving down the road at 60 or so miles per hour and seeing a current FM sat come up on my D-710/700 in the footprint via RF with an elevation and azimuth that is currently workable is the ultimate solution in my mind. I am one of those 1,000's of operators worldwide you referenced transmitting current satellite positions on a local network, in my case via digi_ned on our local UHF alt-net running on 440.800Mhz at 9.6kbaud within a portion of NWAPRS coverage area (Puget Sound). Within this coverage area it works great, its so nice to glance down at the display and see AO-51 (or others) to the west and over 30 degrees, I hit PM3 and listen to the pass. Sometimes, I even make a contact or two. You have defined the problem very well, when mobile and outside the footprint of a repeater providing this information . well what do you do, your only option is to revert back to the internet. Not the ideal solution in my mind. I like RF, thats why I am an amateur radio operator. I am not smart enough to provide a solution. But, it seems to me, that if local igates do not gate these types of packets back to RF in their operational area then the only solution is for us 1,000's of digi operators worldwide to provide this information in each of our operating areas. I always enjoy reading your posts Bob .. Thanks for all you do 73 kim ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
Hi all, How about a compromise? There's an old DOS program that I used many years ago that printed out a chart, one line per satellite per pass, sorted by time. One page would hold several days worth, depending on how many satellites you wanted to track. Not as compact as the chart I think Bob has in mind, but just enough detail to work out when to start waving the aluminum around. I used to run it for the month and save the output on my palmtop, for handy reference. The program was PCTSCAN.EXE, part of the PCTrack package (PCT214). It has some Y2K issues, but I've got a patch program that I think still works to fix the database. I've got the program and such posted on my web site, if you're interested. http://home.wavecable.com/~ko6th, about 1/3 of the way down the screen (31 March, 2002). The output looks like this: P C T S C A NPC-Track Satellite Pass Summary Utility Version 1.0 12/2/91 Copyright (c) 1991 Thomas C. Johnson Scan Report for Auburn OBJECT AOS AOS CPA MAX LOS TIME IN PASS NAME DATETIME TIME ELEV TIME RANGE DIRECTION (LOCAL) (LOCAL) (LOCAL) (LOCAL) - AO-27 10/19/2009 17:07:22 17:15:11 80.1 17:22:32 00:15:09 NORTHWARD ISS 10/19/2009 18:40:09 18:44:17 24.8 18:48:10 00:08:01 SOUTHWARD AO-27 10/19/2009 18:49:33 18:55:20 9.9 19:00:47 00:11:13 NORTHWARD AO-16 10/19/2009 18:54:49 19:01:52 23.7 19:08:29 00:13:39 NORTHWARD ISS 10/19/2009 19:57:37 20:01:59 45.2 20:06:05 00:08:28 SOUTHWARD AO-16 10/19/2009 20:33:22 20:40:58 41.0 20:48:07 00:14:44 NORTHWARD ISS 10/19/2009 21:16:15 21:20:07 14.4 21:23:44 00:07:28 SOUTHWARD FO-29 10/19/2009 21:18:24 21:26:38 33.3 21:35:46 00:17:21 SOUTHWARD AO-16 10/19/2009 22:19:02 22:21:18 1.0 22:23:21 00:04:19 NORTHWARD ISS 10/19/2009 22:35:11 22:38:38 8.8 22:41:51 00:06:40 SOUTHWARD GO-32 10/19/2009 22:37:10 22:43:17 12.6 22:49:02 00:11:51 NORTHWARD FO-29 10/19/2009 23:03:34 23:11:40 39.5 23:20:46 00:17:12 SOUTHWARD ISS 10/19/2009 23:53:33 23:57:11 11.2 00:00:35 00:07:01 SOUTHWARD GO-32 10/20/2009 00:14:38 00:22:35 79.8 00:30:04 00:15:25 NORTHWARD FO-29 10/20/2009 00:51:08 00:55:26 3.9 00:59:40 00:08:31 SOUTHWARD ISS 10/20/2009 01:11:18 01:15:29 27.1 01:19:25 00:08:06 SOUTHWARD GO-32 10/20/2009 01:57:36 02:03:16 8.8 02:08:35 00:10:58 NORTHWARD ISS 10/20/2009 02:29:04 02:33:21 48.4 02:37:21 00:08:17 SOUTHWARD ISS 10/20/2009 03:47:40 03:50:42 6.6 03:53:32 00:05:51 SOUTHWARD AO-10 10/20/2009 04:13:01 11:27:40 50.1 14:27:47 10:14:45 SOUTHWARD AO-27 10/20/2009 05:21:53 05:29:28 36.0 05:36:36 00:14:43 SOUTHWARD AO-27 10/20/2009 07:01:41 07:08:53 27.0 07:15:40 00:13:58 SOUTHWARD AO-16 10/20/2009 07:08:19 07:13:37 7.6 07:18:36 00:10:16 SOUTHWARD FO-29 10/20/2009 07:33:19 07:38:47 8.9 07:43:55 00:10:36 NORTHWARD AO-27 10/20/2009 08:45:19 08:46:33 0.2 08:47:41 00:02:21 SOUTHWARD AO-16 10/20/2009 08:46:03 08:53:49 77.7 09:01:08 00:15:05 SOUTHWARD FO-29 10/20/2009 09:15:09 09:23:00 79.9 09:30:23 00:15:13 NORTHWARD AO-16 10/20/2009 10:26:18 10:32:26 13.1 10:38:12 00:11:53 SOUTHWARD GO-32 10/20/2009 10:56:30 10:58:58 1.2 11:01:15 00:04:44 SOUTHWARD FO-29 10/20/2009 11:03:04 11:08:46 9.3 11:14:08 00:11:04 NORTHWARD GO-32 10/20/2009 12:32:35 12:40:21 41.6 12:47:40 00:15:04 SOUTHWARD GO-32 10/20/2009 14:12:55 14:20:05 24.3 14:26:49 00:13:53 SOUTHWARD AO-27 10/20/2009 15:04:09 15:08:25 4.7 15:12:26 00:08:16 NORTHWARD AO-27 10/20/2009 16:39:11 16:46:49 46.8 16:54:00 00:14:49 NORTHWARD Greg KO6TH From: bruni...@usna.edu To: st...@daniels270.eclipse.co.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:02:44 -0400 CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor) I think the following site does pretty much what you are asking http://www.heavens-above.com/ Actually, that is really quite different. That does what all tracking programs historically do... That is, they produce VOLUMINOUS precise predictions for every pass for every day. TO carry such an output in your car for a month would be about 30 sheets of paper. The small piece of paper that my proposal outputs is a single piece of paper with about 10 numbers on it, no bigger than about 2 by 3 suitable for taping to your dashboard above your radio. Yet that tiny square of paper can be used to estimate ALL pass times for ECHO (AO51) for one or more months,
[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
... The small piece of paper that my proposal outputs is a single piece of paper with about 10 numbers on it, no bigger than about 2 by 3 suitable for taping to your dashboard above your radio. Then take your pencil, and write it out ... In my AMSAT presentations, I show both graphical representations of sat passes, as well as pure numeric data. My audiences much prefer the graphical representations. So, what you are requesting may not have a market share as great as you might think. This reminds me of the old Internet wives tale about the development of the space pen. You remember ... The story goes that America spent millions of bucks to develop a writing implement suitable for space travel. But what did the thrifty Russians do? Used pencils ... It is not a true story, of course: Both manned space programs used pencils at the beginning of their projects. But it makes a good Cold War story for the U.S. ANYWAY - There are several online (and FREE) sources for the info you seek ... as well as commercial programs that will generate the info. Want to slap something on your visor? Geeze, just write it out ... or cut and paste Curmudgeon-ly yours, Clint, K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: HT supports full duplex satellite operation
Clint Bradford wrote: ... I believe Kenwood is going to 're offer ' a newer version of their recently disco'd TH7 ht ... And your source at Kenwood's corporate offices for this info is ... ? Clint Braddford, K6LCS http://cqtopix.blog81.fc2.com/blog-entry-398.html Scroll down and you can see a video. Kai Gunter LA3QMA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
