[amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 09:43:57PM -0700, Greg D. wrote: Hi Diane, Hiya. Given the chaos, it is easy to question the event. Then you get a letter such as this, and it gives you a new perspective. This is from one of our club members who I was coaching before Field Day on what birds to try, etc. I was not able to attend, but he did. Here's his report. Happily, I have seen some great constructive ideas on amsat-bb. I love the idea of having a demo station for field day. Perhaps we could combine some ideas. Instead of concentrating on just getting that 100 points via one QSO we could have 100 points for operating a Get on the air (GOTA) demo station. Furthermore this would be coordinated through designated net control stations pre-agreed with before the weekend begins. e.g. W1AW on the east coast, ??? mid, ??? on the west coast. Field day sites would get their 100 points provided they worked the NCS, not each other and could prove they were introducing new people to sats. Greg, ... So, there you have it. Typical field day tribulations, no contacts, and still a positive result. In spite of all the chaos, 100 points, etc., operating Satellite is still a mystery to a significant portion of the Ham community, and a totally science fiction event for most of the general public. In some regards, there is no such thing as bad publicity, if it's handled right. So what we see as chaos, another person observing from afar might see as Hey! He's receiving signals from outer space with a walkie-talkie and a small TV antenna! How neat is that! Yep. The demo aspect, even if it is only to other hams would be great for AMSAT. - 73 Diane VA3DB -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db Why leave money to our children if we don't leave them the Earth? ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] FD
Lets see now, some tongue in cheek ideas on the use of FM birds. 1. FCC prohibit FM radios that put out more than 5 watts on satellite frequencies. 2. FM satellites should have controlled access similar to closed repeaters so only authorized operators could use them. 3. Ban the use of any satellite antenna not hand held and with more than 1 db gain. 4. Prohibit the use of computers in plotting satellite paths or tracking satellites. Obviously, if the antenna is hand held, electronic tracking devices would be eliminated. 5. During FD operation, since it is an Emergency Readiness Operation, class 1D should be eliminated. 6. FM satellites, when activated by the control station, should have should have the capability of blocking multiple calls from the same station. 7. And of course, all FM satellite passes should have at least one on-air operations policeman Merle, AA4QE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
On 6/28/2011 12:19 AM, Art McBride wrote:
K6YK,
FD has always been a mess,
{snip}
I think more operators would work the linear transponder satellites if
better equipment was available. The stuff from the big three in Japan does
not give the user what they need.
Art,
KC6UQH
I beg to differ here, A real bird enthusiast equipment would not be a
reason for not getting on. I became active in the mid 70's on the
Oscars of those days in Mode A.
Station?
Novice HF station, Old Drake TR-4 tranciever for the 10 meter receive.
no pre amps or nothing fed with radio shack RG-58 about 100 feet of it,
(maybe a few DB loss there?)
10 meter ant? 10 meter dipole up about 20 feet on my roof.
2 Meter Transmitter? I honestly can not remember what it was. I just
remember it was a VFO controlled AM only transciever that ran like 5
watts on AM output. We simply disconnected the Mic. and added a
straight Key to the PTT line and had a blast on the Birds. Worked like
30 to 40 sates with that set up.
So fancy state of the art equipment from Japan is Not needed.
Joe WB9SBD
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:02 PM
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
FD is a mess every year. No matter what bird(s) you try.
Most of the FD stations have no clue about satellites, they just get
the idea they need to make 1 satellite contact or as many as they can.
They don't know about all the rules particular to AMSAT, and they
dont' care.
They ask somebody what frequency to transmit and listen on and then
they get their 500 watt amp, big beam or no beam, no preamp, and
start calling and calling. They don't hear anything so they just mess up
the
whole works. Happens every year.
You either have to bear with it and make your one contact or give up.
73,
K6YK
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:33:34 +0100 Gordon JC Pearcegordon...@gjcp.net
writes:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:48 -0500
Patrick Greenpagr...@gmail.com wrote:
The ARRL should impose an ERP limit for satellite contacts. That
would solve the problem. I don't see how running amplifiers on FD
is
in the spirit of what FD is all about. I've made contacts using
50 mw
so why do stations use 100+ watts *before* the antenna.. I
wouldn't
want my kids playing around a FD site with this time of setup.
Wouldn't that be AMSAT's job? It's certainly possible to work an FM
bird with 5W from a handie, and a hand-held yagi.
I don't understand the obsession with having all-singing-all-dancing
computer-controlled setups, where it automatically updates its
orbital elements, automatically calculates when the next pass is,
automatically calculates where to steer the aerial and what to tune
the radio to and leaving the operator to just push the PTT and shout
over the top of the QRP/P stations.
All the computer-controlled stuff just plain isn't amateur radio.
If you want to sit in front of a computer and talk to people, use
Skype.
Gordon MM0YEQ
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[amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Hi all y'all, As I sit here in Colombia (South America) visiting the XYL (KD5FCQ's) family wishing that I had been able to get through the right channels so I could have been on the air from here with my Arrow and HT, and having been far removed from Field Day this year, I was blown away when I got on to check my emails and it downloaded 100+ messages all at once... hoping to read about how successful Amsat FD was but the subject in the messages of course pretty much tipped off the content. So I would like to make a few comments, not having had to sit in 100 degree heat for two days nor spend hours tearing down, setting up, tearing down again and setting up again my satellite station. I hope a lot of the furor I perceive is the result of heat and exhaustion and probably heat exhaustion too. Although it's 31 degrees Celsius here in Cali and I think that's about 90 and way humid in U.S. terms, with no air conditioning, so I'm moving kinda slow too... In the many years past that I have manned our Tri County ARC FD satellite station, having been playing with satellites for a few decades now, one of the first things that comes up from the group (new ones who weren't there to ask the prior year, anyway) is about the bonus points and contacts on AO-51 (their most recognized FM satellite). I give them the analogy similar to was mentioned in this thread by another, that trying AO-51 (an FM single channel satellite) is like trying to have a conversation on the local repeater with a large uncontrolled group (no net or round table protocol) where a bunch of folks transmit at once and double and worse and nobody can understand anyone else, for the most part. The all understand that well enough. So I introduce them to the linear birds, the story of AO-7 is always a winner to capture their attention especially it being older than many of them, and when the see the display of all of the satellites available via SatPC32 (which I show on a monitor for all to see during the entire event as well as some of the Amsat videos from the symposiums and meetings I show between passes) they are excited anew at the fact that there is way more up there than AO-51. And we're off to the races! Sure, it won't be for a few hours until these satellites come into range so they disperse and operate and experience the other stations or stay and watch some of the Amsat videos and look at the display board I also set up or chat with us more about satellites, but when the bird comes into range they are back and ready! I have an external speaker in addition to our headsets, so all can see the tracking and watch the antennas (yes, we do the whole computer aided doppler antenna rotator and stuff like that because I did my time with hand tuning and antenna pointing and I know good when I experience it) an the excitement and enthusiasm is contagious even back to the old guy like me which makes it well worth the time spent on the equipment and displays. Oh, so there are only about 5-10 people at a time at our station... well yes, we're small and in the country but it's no less worth the effort. But that's still maybe 20-30 people or more both hams and visitors throughout the FD ops, and of those some will become more interested and even though it may take a few years... now that I am not there for FD this year, there are some others who were just observing a year or two ago who are now willing to take up the challenge and do their best at running a satellite station for the club FD. I don't know their setup or the results yet, I hope to read that in the next few days as they recover from heat and exhaustion and heat exhaustion but I'm jazzed that I (we, ALL of us who get on the satellites and make the contacts that give them the experience) may have played a part in that coming about. The FM birds are great for demos at the club meeting and hamfests and such, but I leave them alone for FD. Well, not completely... I will check them early Sunday morning and usually get the one contact for one or two birds because it would probably be remiss of me to let the opportunity slip by for the spectators and the points. But only if there are no linear birds up at the time. And the spectators find that the FM contact wasn't necessarily so great compared to the many we could make with one linear satellite on one pass, but it is yet another facet of what is available to them in the amateur radio satellite world. Don't be sad, don't be mad, don't freak out about the rules for one day of the year where chaos ensues due to the general physics of frequency modulation on one channel with thousands of participants... why not educate and enjoy! I appreciate your time if you read this far, letting me share my thoughts from far away as a devoted Amsat and ARRL member (please reply off reflector if you have disagreements with my personal choices of memberships) and one who has had the
[amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
What is to prevent someone from designating themselves net control? sorry
this plan is doomed Robert Oler WB5MZO Live member ARRL AMSAT NARS
From: ko6th_g...@hotmail.com
To: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com; tim_cunning...@charter.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:02:49 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
I agree. Set aside a single FM satellite with a designated team of high
power operators who hand off net control duties as the bird crosses the
planet. Standard operating practice in picking out call sign fragments or by
1st letter of the suffix, and working through the pileup. The folks on the
ground will catch on fast, and I bet we'd have more points awarded per pass
than with what we do today. And, in the spirit of emergency preparedness,
operating with a net control would be a whole lot closer to normal. (And,
no, I don't expect that we'd make a lot of use of FM Voice on a LEO in a real
emergency, but we'll never know how to work that eventual HEO bird if we
don't practice on something we do have.)
Greg KO6TH
From: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com
To: tim_cunning...@charter.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:17:28 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
You know there is something here. I worked some late night on 80 meters.
The noise was high and signals were few. I came across a station with a
big signal, and worked him easily. Then I noticed he was working lots of
folks! I suspect he had put a lot more time and energy into his 80 meter
station than we had into ours. Is it fair he gets to make more contacts
with his bigger better station? I think I would argue it is. It is his
reward for all of that effort. Did he make it possible for stations that
may not have otherwise made a contact 80 to make a contact? Yes, he did.
He was monopolizing the frequency, but it seemed to make for a lot of
contacts
Joe kk0sd
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 9:53 PM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
{snip}
It is time to move forward and change the course of chaos.
My suggestion is to allow a Net Control type of operation. Let us say you
make 5, 10 or more sequential QSO's and pass it off to another station who
can capture and command the satellite, if there is one. Efficiency is
improved when there is a target. I guess my only point here is that doing
nothing will change nothing. We still have the 1 QSO limit so nobody has to
worry about a monopoly or somebody running up there point total. I would do
it and not claim a QSO point if needed in order to see it changed for the
better. When somebody hears a target station they will call it and/or the
target station can respond to those calling. This operation clearly netted
the most QSO's being made at a specific time in history. It also clears
traffic on the satellite faster when stations get their 100 bonus points
for the ARRL event or 1 point for the AMSAT event. At this point the other
station is dancing in the field bragging about their contact plus they
would not get any addition!
al!
credit even if they made another contact anyway. Disallowing a net style or
control point for multiple contacts on an FM satellite only promotes chaos.
This is my point and a suggestion for the box.
Thank you for your interest and sincerity in advance,
Tim - N8DEU
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[amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
My town does NOT have 7 squad cars... Dee, NB2F -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Darryl Ponder Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:42 AM To: Jeremy Widner; Patrick Green Cc: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning! Seven squad cars? He must have made more than one contact on an FM bird at Field Day. ;) Darryl K0GV - Original Message - From: Jeremy Widner jeremyrwid...@gmail.com To: Patrick Green pagr...@gmail.com Cc: Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning! Just imagine if they had pulled John K8YSE over with that array in the bed of his truck!!! On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Patrick Green pagr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, they didn't see you as that big a threat, otherwise they would have *surrounded* you. 73 de Pat --- KA9SCF. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Clint Bradford clintbradf...@mac.com wrote: If you are a ham with personalized license plates (probably in ANY state of the US, but particularly in CA), then you might want to check this Web page out ... And if you just find me otherwise irritating, you'll love to see seven police units respond to my traffic stop today ... (grin) http://tinyurl.com/CLINT-BUSTED Clint Bradford, K6LCS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- 73 Jeremy Widner K0PDX http://k0pdx.us Secretary Raytown Amateur Radio Club - K0GQ http://k0gq.com/ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
At 05:10 AM 6/28/2011, R Oler wrote: What is to prevent someone from designating themselves net control? sorry this plan is doomed Robert Oler WB5MZO Live member ARRL AMSAT NARS Ah you are inventing problems. The real NC would quickly assert their position. There are lots of nets held on ham radio...how often do others claim to be net control...virtually never. If you are saying someone will cause malicious interference, there is no cure other than peer pressure and official FCC action. The way to introduce Net Controlled passes is to do it in advance of FD. In fact the idea might catch on when folks find it manages the typical FM chaos that reigns currently. I propose there be a Net Day every month on certain FM satellites starting with AO-51, if it is healthy enough. Good practise for a real emergency comm situation. There are ARES Nets held regularly all over the nation on VHF/UHF... why not on satellite? 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@gmail.com == ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Here is a suggestion. Several of us have mentioned we do not hear many people
on the satellites in modes like SSB. If even half of the people complaining
about multiple FM contacts tried to work FO-29, we would have activity wall to
wall for every pass. :)
Tom Schaefer, NY4I
n...@arrl.net
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Monitoring EchoLink node KJ4FEC-L 489389
DSTAR Capable APRS: NY4I-15
On Jun 28, 2011, at 9:10 AM, R Oler wrote:
What is to prevent someone from designating themselves net control? sorry
this plan is doomed Robert Oler WB5MZO Live member ARRL AMSAT NARS
From: ko6th_g...@hotmail.com
To: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com; tim_cunning...@charter.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:02:49 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
I agree. Set aside a single FM satellite with a designated team of high
power operators who hand off net control duties as the bird crosses the
planet. Standard operating practice in picking out call sign fragments or
by 1st letter of the suffix, and working through the pileup. The folks on
the ground will catch on fast, and I bet we'd have more points awarded per
pass than with what we do today. And, in the spirit of emergency
preparedness, operating with a net control would be a whole lot closer to
normal. (And, no, I don't expect that we'd make a lot of use of FM Voice on
a LEO in a real emergency, but we'll never know how to work that eventual
HEO bird if we don't practice on something we do have.)
Greg KO6TH
From: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com
To: tim_cunning...@charter.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:17:28 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
You know there is something here. I worked some late night on 80 meters.
The noise was high and signals were few. I came across a station with a
big signal, and worked him easily. Then I noticed he was working lots of
folks! I suspect he had put a lot more time and energy into his 80 meter
station than we had into ours. Is it fair he gets to make more contacts
with his bigger better station? I think I would argue it is. It is his
reward for all of that effort. Did he make it possible for stations that
may not have otherwise made a contact 80 to make a contact? Yes, he did.
He was monopolizing the frequency, but it seemed to make for a lot of
contacts
Joe kk0sd
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From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Cunningham
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 9:53 PM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
{snip}
It is time to move forward and change the course of chaos.
My suggestion is to allow a Net Control type of operation. Let us say you
make 5, 10 or more sequential QSO's and pass it off to another station who
can capture and command the satellite, if there is one. Efficiency is
improved when there is a target. I guess my only point here is that doing
nothing will change nothing. We still have the 1 QSO limit so nobody has to
worry about a monopoly or somebody running up there point total. I would do
it and not claim a QSO point if needed in order to see it changed for the
better. When somebody hears a target station they will call it and/or the
target station can respond to those calling. This operation clearly netted
the most QSO's being made at a specific time in history. It also clears
traffic on the satellite faster when stations get their 100 bonus points
for the ARRL event or 1 point for the AMSAT event. At this point the other
station is dancing in the field bragging about their contact plus they
would not get any addition!
al!
credit even if they made another contact anyway. Disallowing a net style or
control point for multiple contacts on an FM satellite only promotes chaos.
This is my point and a suggestion for the box.
Thank you for your interest and sincerity in advance,
Tim - N8DEU
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[amsat-bb] Re: FD Mess
Ed. There is a big difference between an HF net where everyone can more or less be heard (at least as interference) and a satellite where the strongest signal captures it. There is no FCC ruling that would support a net call operation and any one with a valid license could get on and bang away to their hearts content and all the net control station could do is hurl harsh words and lots of OO notices. I was a part of the ATS system for a bit. Nets work when being part of the net is the price of being on the bird. Where is Wayne Green when we need him? Robert Oler WB5MZO Life Member AMSAT ARRL NARS Ah you are inventing problems. The real NC would quickly assert their position. There are lots of nets held on ham radio...how often do others claim to be net control...virtually never. If you are saying someone will cause malicious interference, there is no cure other than peer pressure and official FCC action. The way to introduce Net Controlled passes is to do it in advance of FD. In fact the idea might catch on when folks find it manages the typical FM chaos that reigns currently. I propose there be a Net Day every month on certain FM satellites starting with AO-51, if it is healthy enough. Good practise for a real emergency comm situation. There are ARES Nets held regularly all over the nation on VHF/UHF... why not on satellite? 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@gmail.com == ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Sats for emergencies
At 07:59 AM 6/28/2011, jerry wrote: I can see it now , USA Today headlines Ham operator successfully passes ARRL RadioGram over Orbiting Satellite . As much trouble and time it takes to pass a message over much more controlled frequiencies , I could not imagine trying to pass a formatted message over a satellite , therefore rendering a sat as useless for handling emergency traffic. And I still say a net control type format would allow for many more contacts on field day than just QRZ. Jerry WB5LHD ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Jerry, Exactly why I stated that, in my opinion, digital comms is the practical mode for satellite emcomm. Voice Net would be for brief real-time messages e.g. we need a node set up in location blank; the hospital needs a generator, send a helicopter we have x number injured, my car is stuck and the water is rising, the fire cut off our escape route, help! ... No 30+ word formal messages on voice. Digital packet or APRS can be much more efficient and accurate. Typically, voice is local VHF/UHF simplex (when all else fails). Satellite for longer range coordination links which currently are managed on HF. 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-60w, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@gmail.com == ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Sats for emergencies
A net could work on a satellite but a net needs to be established and practiced so when the real emergency happens, the net itself is routine and focus can be on the emergency. I'm not surprised we don't have this because of the scarcity of the satellites themselves. While FM gives the most operator base, I would think that this is something that would be left for the multi QSO birds like 29 and 52. That's my take on this. 73 de Pat --- KA9SCF. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:59 AM, jerry jkb...@wildblue.net wrote: I can see it now , USA Today headlines Ham operator successfully passes ARRL RadioGram over Orbiting Satellite . As much trouble and time it takes to pass a message over much more controlled frequiencies , I could not imagine trying to pass a formatted message over a satellite , therefore rendering a sat as useless for handling emergency traffic. And I still say a net control type format would allow for many more contacts on field day than just QRZ. Jerry WB5LHD ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] sat for emergencies
Actually the net control station would only have to confirm each station calling.Station info passed when calling and net control confirms station info . Much more organized than 50 operators calling 50 other operators. Checking into a net is very organized . I can't see where it would be a waste of time. Guess I'm dense. Jerry WB5LHD ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] FM Satellite Net-Control Exercise Drills
I propose there be a Net Day every month on certain FM satellites starting with AO-51... AMEN! We did this back with the VOICE Transponder on PCSAT-1. Not being an AMSAT we did not have to ask anyone. We just declared that the transponder would be on on such and such a day, and that operation would be via Net Control. TO my rememberance, it worked perfectly. Net control simply called for checkins by category (EVER MINDFULL of exactly where the satellite footprint was optimum. Remember, those directy below the satellite have a 10 dB advantage over those on the edge... We did this as a demonstration of how well NET CONTROL type operation would work on an FM satellite. At the time, of course, the Neanderthals opposed even the concept on an AMSAT. So we did nothing much elase... What we did not think of, is Ed's idea of a ONCE A MONTH exercise as a way of testing it and getting people used to it. I'm all for it! Bob, Wb4APR ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Nova Keps Update Nova now updated at NLSA website
All, I just checked the Nova Satellite page and it appears a new release just came out on 6/23/2011 that fixes the Space-Track.org issue. I have not tried it yet. I will check when I get home tonight. Just wanted to pass this along as most of us where busy with Field Day! 73, Adrian AA5UK From: wolth...@msu.edu wolth...@msu.edu To: Sven Arne Astrup sast...@online.no Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Nova Keps Update I have had lots of questions privately how I got Nova to work again. So, for all, here is what I did... I went to Kep. Elements menu and on the Space-Track.org I unchecked all the boxes so that nothing is currently updating from Space-Track (until they fix Nova for SSL). I then clicked on HTTP and changed the remove URL to www.amsat.org Then I removed everything in Remote Files and added the following AMSAT path: amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasa.all Then I said OK and clicked back on Kep. Elements, Internet Update, Start Download and it grabbed the nasa.all keps from AMSAT and loaded them perfectly. Hope this helps! Mike kb8zgl Quoting Sven Arne Astrup sast...@online.no: Hallo Mike! Thanks for your answer. Think I know how you did it, but would love to receive the path just in case, hi. NOVA is a nice program, and will keep on using it as long as I can! 73 de Sven LA6KJ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolthuis [mailto:wolth...@msu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:50 PM To: Sven Arne Astrup Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Nova Keps Update Sven, I was able to get this to work. I had to go to the second page and remove the URLs and stop using Space-Track at least for now. I duplicated in Nova the path to the amsat files and use the http option in Nova to grab from Amsat. Worked like a charm! I love NOVA, so glad it was able to be fixed. I can post the path to the nova.all if you need later tonight. Granted this only gets amateur satellites updated, but works great. I have not tried to fix the Space-Track URLs yet, but I believe they are also fixable. Mike kb8zgl On 6/13/11 11:53 PM, Sven Arne Astrup sast...@online.no wrote: Hi! I know this question has been asked before! Could someone give me a lesson on how to get the NOVA Internet Keps Update to work again from the Space-Track homepage. There is no problems logging in on the Spacetrack homepage using my username and password. 73 de Sven LA6KJ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: subscribe
Subscribe??? What does this mean??? If you want to enroll in the AMSAT-bb, go to the website and see the column on the left for mail services and subscribe to the ones you want-keeping in mind if you are not part of any of the items (IE BOD) you cannot subscribe. Have funJoin AMSAT and 73, Dee, NB2F -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Don Ferguson Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:49 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] subscribe subscribe ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
Hee Hee... ! I love it.. It's not just ham plates but any of those personalized or special plates that cause confusion. I have run lots of plates that came back invalid, and by doing as you say, putting in spaces, or trying a different category of plate, etc. they will come back OK. Also, you might have commercial plates with ham call on them. Now, what do they do? Run it as a Auto, or commercial ? Try both! What usually brings the coppers on in force is when you run a plate and it comes back valid but to another car.. Definitely something strange going on there! Watch your back~! 73, John, K6YK On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:05:18 -0700 Clint Bradford clintbradf...@mac.com writes: If you are a ham with personalized license plates (probably in ANY state of the US, but particularly in CA), then you might want to check this Web page out ... And if you just find me otherwise irritating, you'll love to see seven police units respond to my traffic stop today ... (grin) http://tinyurl.com/CLINT-BUSTED Clint Bradford, K6LCS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Groupon#8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city#39;s best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e0a205174619ecebest04vuc ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Face Book ?
Do We have an AMSAT NA face book page ? sure would be an easier forum than e mailing back and fourth. lol Jerry WB5LHD ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] update
go to http://cid-1973adc8c1d3207c.skydrive.live.com/summary.aspx?sa=140581470 73, Dave, WB6LLO dguim...@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn Pulling for P3E... ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Antenna construction
Several asked about the site I mentioned about inexpensive antennas that I've designed for hamsats, quadrifilars, in particular... Go to http://cid-1973adc8c1d3207c.skydrive.live.com/summary.aspx?sa=140581470 and I'll gladly answer any questions 73, Dave, WB6LLO dguim...@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn Pulling for P3E... ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Face Book ?
On 6/28/2011 3:20 PM, jerry keeton wrote: Do We have an AMSAT NA face book page ? sure would be an easier forum than e mailing back and fourth. lol Jerry WB5LHD Type AMSAT into the search box on Facebook, and you'll be pleasantly surprised I bet! 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Face Book ?
On 6/28/2011 4:07 PM, jerry wrote: Thanks Andrew , But I don't seeany way to post comments . I have the AMSAT page with the AMSAT logo , but it seems incomplete ? Jerry WB5LHD OK, I forgot we transitioned to the new FB group format. Try this URL, and find the join button: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_7828379515 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] (no subject)
I can see where a bbs mailbox would be of help during an emergency . That way a complete message could be passed . Jerry WB5LHD ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Face Book ?
On 28/06/2011 20:44, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: On 6/28/2011 3:20 PM, jerry keeton wrote: Do We have an AMSAT NA face book page ? sure would be an easier forum than e mailing back and fourth. lol Jerry WB5LHD Type AMSAT into the search box on Facebook, and you'll be pleasantly surprised I bet! And please follow / like if you can! The more the better. Thanks, Dominic G6NQO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] heo
Now that most of the FD bruhaha is over with, and the lack of a heo being obvious. Exactly where are we or our DL friends in this regard. The bottom line is no doubt money/launch. How much money? When/where etc. The details appear to be in vacuum. Some of my friends ask me, why do you keep your AO-40 (sobsob) gear/antennas etc still up and ready. I respond, I believe. I also believe it if we build it they will come. However the old hangers-on are few in number. 73 Bob W7LRD Seattle ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Field Day #2 (Golden Packet Event)
For those portable AMSAT folks that did not get their full outdoors satrisfaction via the birds, do not forget the PACKET APRS Field Day on Sunday 24 July from Mountain Tops along the Appalachain trail from Alabama to Maine and along the Pacific Crest Trail from San Diego to Seattle! This is a 4 hour event with the goal of terrestrially digipeating APRS packet messages over thousnands of miles via a number of IDEALLY located portable digipeater stations (Think D700's) Carried to the tops of these strategic mountains. We can do the East Coast in 14 hops and think the west coast can be done in much less with their higher mountains. Also there is an opportunity for a Continental Divide Trail attempt if anyone wants to get that started... This will be our 3rd attempt along the Appalachians and 1st attempt along the Pacific Crest Trail. Please see the web page: www.aprs.org/at-golden-packet.html There are links to a web page for EVERY peak to help organize the assault parties. Lots of un-filled slots, especially out west. Bob, Wb4APR ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Face Book ?
Jerry, I'm also a follower of the AMSAT-NA page on Facebook. I think it's great! That being said, I do not know if the Amsat BOD has officially endorsed or blessed the page as official. If you go to Amsat.org, you will not see a Connect with us on Facebook link or anything of the sort. So, that's a question. Either way (official or not), I think the Admin (or admins) have done an excellent job. Joseph Armbruster On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Dominic Hawken domi...@del.co.uk wrote: On 28/06/2011 20:44, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: On 6/28/2011 3:20 PM, jerry keeton wrote: Do We have an AMSAT NA face book page ? sure would be an easier forum than e mailing back and fourth. lol Jerry WB5LHD Type AMSAT into the search box on Facebook, and you'll be pleasantly surprised I bet! And please follow / like if you can! The more the better. Thanks, Dominic G6NQO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Criminal Clint
DEE My town does NOT have 7 squad cars... This is - by far - the funniest line I've heard in the past 24 hours, Dee! Clint ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: How to get started on SSB birds (antennas)
My sincere thanks to the gentlemen who replied to me directly! :) It's a fantastic bunch of guys/gals! :) I didn't mention that I already have MacDoppler Lite and, if MacDopper for Cocoa will handle doppler, for a linear bird, using a single FT-817ND, I'll give it a shot. I belong to the MacDoppler Yahoo Group but no one seems to give a clear answer exactly what MacDoppler will/will not do to a '817 to handle doppler. I'll post another question to that group. 73/72, Joe WB3CFN ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Sats for emergencies
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:30:40 -0500 Patrick Green pagr...@gmail.com wrote: A net could work on a satellite but a net needs to be established and practiced so when the real emergency happens, the net itself is routine and focus can be on the emergency. How about we have some discussion that doesn't eventually get forced round to emergency communications? Emcomms is the cancer that is killing amateur radio. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Sats for emergencies
On the contrary. Emcomm is the only thing keeping the government on our side and protecting the facilities we have. On 28/06/11 22:45, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: How about we have some discussion that doesn't eventually get forced round to emergency communications? Emcomms is the cancer that is killing amateur radio. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Face Book ?
Talking of Facebook, Google have just joined launched their own social network offering - Google+. It's geared towards connecting groups and project followers, rather than individual friends. Check out Amsat - it's looking pretty good: http://www.wdyl.com/#amsat Best, Dominic G6NQO On 28/06/2011 21:48, Joseph Armbruster wrote: Jerry, I'm also a follower of the AMSAT-NA page on Facebook. I think it's great! That being said, I do not know if the Amsat BOD has officially endorsed or blessed the page as official. If you go to Amsat.org, you will not see a Connect with us on Facebook link or anything of the sort. So, that's a question. Either way (official or not), I think the Admin (or admins) have done an excellent job. Joseph Armbruster On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Dominic Hawkendomi...@del.co.uk wrote: On 28/06/2011 20:44, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: On 6/28/2011 3:20 PM, jerry keeton wrote: Do We have an AMSAT NA face book page ? sure would be an easier forum than e mailing back and fourth. lol Jerry WB5LHD Type AMSAT into the search box on Facebook, and you'll be pleasantly surprised I bet! And please follow / like if you can! The more the better. Thanks, Dominic G6NQO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- Director Deluxe Corporation Ltd http://www.del.co.uk/ Tel: 020 7100 8982 ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Sats for emergencies
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 00:00:30 +0100 Nigel A. Gunn ni...@ngunn.net wrote: Don't top post, it screws up the flow of conversation On the contrary. Emcomm is the only thing keeping the government on our side and protecting the facilities we have. It's also generated a huge crowd of amateurs who have no real interest in the hobby beyond buying the latest shiny new box in the toyshop and playing at police dispatchers. These wallies then stomp their moronic chatter all over anyone else who happens to be using a frequency. The emergency services have their own frequencies and their own kit, paid for out of our taxes. They've got enough comms of their own, or at least they *should* have. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Criminal Clint
So did they take 37 8 by 10 color glossy photo's with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one describing what each one was to be used as eveidence against you? Apologies to Arlo Rick K7TEJ Clint Bradford clintbra...@earthlink.net wrote: DEE My town does NOT have 7 squad cars... This is - by far - the funniest line I've heard in the past 24 hours, Dee! Clint ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Criminal Clint
No, but they took his truck to the dump...another case of blind justice.. (further apologies to Arlo) Ted K7TRK -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of saguaroas...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:03 PM To: Clint Bradford; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Criminal Clint So did they take 37 8 by 10 color glossy photo's with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one describing what each one was to be used as eveidence against you? Apologies to Arlo Rick K7TEJ Clint Bradford clintbra...@earthlink.net wrote: DEE My town does NOT have 7 squad cars... This is - by far - the funniest line I've heard in the past 24 hours, Dee! Clint ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Criminal Clint
It was another case of blind justice! Arlo Is Alive and Well and Living on Ganymede... original message So did they take 37 8 by 10 color glossy photo's with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one describing what each one was to be used as eveidence against you? Apologies to Arlo Rick K7TEJ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
- Original Message - From: Alexander Sack pisym...@gmail.com To: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened? So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself? -aps (KC2ZSX) Hi Alexander, KC2ZSX Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a 10 minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the ISS ? Why NASA should vaste money for how silly she is a FD weekend radio activity playing with us from the ISS ? The astronauts are already tired with the same questions infinitely repeated with the ISS contacts with the schools and NASA is a very serious space organization. 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] SATPC32 Error
I was wondering if someone could tell me what this error is and the fix for it on satpc32? The error is ole-fehler 80120088 Thanks in advance ! Mike N8GBU ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Satpc32 error
I have an error on satpc32 and was wondering could help me with it. The error is OLE FEHLER 80120088. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you in advance Mike N8GBU ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
Illinois has more specialized plates than any other state, so I'm surprised things like Clint's trouble don't happen much more often here... George, KA3HSW - Original Message - From: k6yk k...@juno.com To: clintbradf...@mac.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning! Hee Hee... ! I love it.. It's not just ham plates but any of those personalized or special plates that cause confusion. I have run lots of plates that came back invalid, and by doing as you say, putting in spaces, or trying a different category of plate, etc. they will come back OK. Also, you might have commercial plates with ham call on them. Now, what do they do? Run it as a Auto, or commercial ? Try both! What usually brings the coppers on in force is when you run a plate and it comes back valid but to another car.. Definitely something strange going on there! Watch your back~! 73, John, K6YK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
