[amsat-bb] ESTCUBE-1 TURKSAT-3USAT
Any word on when their transponders will be activated?I listened for their CW beacons this morningon high passes, but did not hear them. Red, KC4LE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [Starcom-bb] VY1RM
Hello to all Ron, VY1RM and I were trying to complete a contact since last week. Finally, we made it tonight. It was not easy! Thanks very much to Ron for the great contact and his persistence!! Frank, thanks very much for your assistance! 73! Hector, CO6CBF -Mensaje original- De: Starcom-bb [mailto:starcom-bb-boun...@star-com.net] En nombre de K4FEG Enviado el: domingo, 12 de mayo de 2013 0:53 Para: starcom...@star-com.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Asunto: [Starcom-bb] VY1RM Ron, VY1RM was just on the FO29 pass with a 57 signal into the satellite, he made a contact with CO6CBF, for another great QSO for Hector to Ron, very short window for Ron and Hector but a good contact for them. Ron is back on the air and has mentioned that he plans to be active on the satellites. He is in Whitehorse, Yukon Territories, Canada CP20lq. Look for Ron on the satellite or drop him an email if you want to make a schedule with him. Congratulations Hector and Ron for a great FO29 contact! 73; K4FEG EM55aj84ta ___ Starcom-bb bulletin board starcom...@star-com.net http://lists.star-com.net/listinfo/starcom-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [Starcom-bb] VY1RM
nice going! we must remember, if this were easy, everyone would be doing it. Or as my Dad told me, the difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer. 73 Bob W7LRD - Original Message - From: CO6CBF Hector co6...@frcuba.co.cu To: K4FEG k4...@k4feg.com, starcom...@star-com.net, amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:46:12 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Starcom-bb] VY1RM Hello to all Ron, VY1RM and I were trying to complete a contact since last week. Finally, we made it tonight. It was not easy! Thanks very much to Ron for the great contact and his persistence!! Frank, thanks very much for your assistance! 73! Hector, CO6CBF -Mensaje original- De: Starcom-bb [mailto:starcom-bb-boun...@star-com.net] En nombre de K4FEG Enviado el: domingo, 12 de mayo de 2013 0:53 Para: starcom...@star-com.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Asunto: [Starcom-bb] VY1RM Ron, VY1RM was just on the FO29 pass with a 57 signal into the satellite, he made a contact with CO6CBF, for another great QSO for Hector to Ron, very short window for Ron and Hector but a good contact for them. Ron is back on the air and has mentioned that he plans to be active on the satellites. He is in Whitehorse, Yukon Territories, Canada CP20lq. Look for Ron on the satellite or drop him an email if you want to make a schedule with him. Congratulations Hector and Ron for a great FO29 contact! 73; K4FEG EM55aj84ta ___ Starcom-bb bulletin board starcom...@star-com.net http://lists.star-com.net/listinfo/starcom-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ESTCUBE-1 TURKSAT-3USAT
No word yet and personally I wouldn't expect anything for 6 months or maybe more. Remember in the case of TURKSAT-3USAT that AMSAT-TR (TAMSAT) are only providing the linear transponder, they do not own the satellite. http://amsat-uk.org/satellites/turksat-3usat/ Updates on TURKSAT-3USAT are being provided on these Facebook pages: https://www.facebook.com/tamsat.amsattr https://www.facebook.com/pages/Turksat3usat-Fan-Club/48464834159 It looks to me that ESTcube-1 couldn't run a digipeater at the same time as carrying out other mission activities so I'd guess any activation would be after the primary missions have been completed. Updates are being posted on ESTcube-1 Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/estcube Yesterdays update said: While the reach of ESTCube-1 page in Facebook just exceeded 100 000 people, we continue working on communication and in orbit validation of the satellite. The measurement and test results of the first week will be published on Monday afternoon. 73 Trevor M5AKA --- On Sat, 11/5/13, Red Willoughby r...@redwilloughby.com wrote: From: Red Willoughby r...@redwilloughby.com Subject: [amsat-bb] ESTCUBE-1 TURKSAT-3USAT To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Saturday, 11 May, 2013, 21:12 Any word on when their transponders will be activated?I listened for their CW beacons this morningon high passes, but did not hear them. Red, KC4LE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] President of the British Interplanetary Society at AMSAT-UK Colloquium
The 2013 AMSAT-UK International Space Colloquium will start late afternoon on Friday, July 19 and will run through until the afternoon on Sunday, July 21 at the Holiday Inn, Guildford, GU2 7XZ, UK. It will be preceded by an exciting “Hands-on” CubeSat Workshop which will take place at the nearby University of Surrey on the Friday and this will be followed, at the hotel, by the usual Colloquium “Beginners Session” in the late afternoon. A number of keynote presentations have already been arranged for the Colloquium. These include Alistair Scott, the President of the British Interplanetary Society. The BIS has, over many decades, developed ideas and concepts about the future of space travel and both Patrick Moore and Arthur C Clarke were members. Alistair has had many years experience working in the space industry and will be reviewing the future possibilities for ventures into space both small and large. The BIS is presently developing one of the Sprites for the Kicksat mission and Andrew Vaudin will be presenting a paper about this and also providing a demonstration. It is anticipated that both the FUNcube-1 and FUNcube-2 missions will be launched later this year and the FUNcube team will be on hand to talk about the missions and the planned educational outreach. A full demonstration of the Engineering Model, which has been performing flawlessly for almost a year, will also be provided. On the Sunday, the General Manager of the RSGB, Graham Coomber, G0NBI will be talking about the Society’s vision of the future of amateur radio and how amateur satellites can play a major part in helping to secure that future. We will also have updates on a number of the other current amateur satellite projects including HAMtv from the ISS, spectrum matters, operating methods, new products etc. Additionally there will be a satellite demonstration station operating over the weekend and visits to the new technical facilities at the University are planned. There are still a few slots available for additional speakers, so if you would like to make a presentation, please contact Dave Johnson e-mail: dave at g4dpz dot me dot uk as soon as possible. The AMSAT-UK organising committee looks forward to welcoming both regular attendees and newcomers – you can be assured of a warm welcome and an exciting weekend. Full details of the accommodation, travel and booking arrangements can be found here: http://amsat-uk.org/colloquium/colloquium-2013/ and details of the “Hands On” CubeSat Workshop are available here http://amsat-uk.org/colloquium/cubesat-workshop-2013/ 73 Trevor M5AKA AMSAT-UK website http://amsat-uk.org/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/AMSAT-UK/208113275898396 Twitter https://twitter.com/AMSAT_UK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: vy1rm Yukon Territory
Seeing how he is pretty rare, it would be great if people would make the contact and move on so others can work him, not chit chat about everything under the sun. Just my 2 cents. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR On May 11, 2013 11:27 PM, John Papay j...@papays.com wrote: VY1RM was on FO-29 at 0300utc 12May calling CO6CBF. He said he would be on the next pass. The Yukon is pretty rare so try to work him if you can. 73, John K8YSE __**_ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bbhttp://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] J-Pole Antenna
Thank you all for your valuable hints and advices ! I will now build such an antenna and then supply here the results. 73 Werner, HB9BNK -- Werner, HB9BNK http://www.hb9bnk.ch http://www.hb9bs.ch ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] ISS HamTV Frequencies
The IARU Amateur Satellite Frequency Coordination Panel have announced frequencies of 2422.0 MHz and 2437.0 MHz. See http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ 73 Trevor M5AKA AMSAT-UK website http://amsat-uk.org/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/AMSAT-UK/208113275898396 Twitter https://twitter.com/AMSAT_UK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ESTCUBE-1 TURKSAT-3USAT
Thanks to M5AKA OH3UW for the good info. On May 12, 2013, at 7:41 AM, M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Any word on when their transponders will be activated? I've getting my CubeSats mixed up - As far as I know EstCube-1 doesn't have a transponder or digipeater. I was thinking of CubeBug-1 which was launched with TURKSAT-3USAT. It's CubeBug-1 that has the Digipeater capability, see http://amsat-uk.org/satellites/cubebug-1/ 73 Trevor M5AKA --- On Sun, 12/5/13, M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ESTCUBE-1 TURKSAT-3USAT To: amsat-bb@amsat.org, Red Willoughby r...@redwilloughby.com Date: Sunday, 12 May, 2013, 9:49 No word yet and personally I wouldn't expect anything for 6 months or maybe more. Remember in the case of TURKSAT-3USAT that AMSAT-TR (TAMSAT) are only providing the linear transponder, they do not own the satellite. http://amsat-uk.org/satellites/turksat-3usat/ Updates on TURKSAT-3USAT are being provided on these Facebook pages: https://www.facebook.com/tamsat.amsattr https://www.facebook.com/pages/Turksat3usat-Fan-Club/48464834159 It looks to me that ESTcube-1 couldn't run a digipeater at the same time as carrying out other mission activities so I'd guess any activation would be after the primary missions have been completed. Updates are being posted on ESTcube-1 Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/estcube Yesterdays update said: While the reach of ESTCube-1 page in Facebook just exceeded 100 000 people, we continue working on communication and in orbit validation of the satellite. The measurement and test results of the first week will be published on Monday afternoon. 73 Trevor M5AKA --- On Sat, 11/5/13, Red Willoughby r...@redwilloughby.com wrote: From: Red Willoughby r...@redwilloughby.com Subject: [amsat-bb] ESTCUBE-1 TURKSAT-3USAT To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Saturday, 11 May, 2013, 21:12 Any word on when their transponders will be activated?I listened for their CW beacons this morningon high passes, but did not hear them. Red, KC4LE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
Nice! Has anyone figured out any ground station requirements? Antenna gain, polarization, receiving equipment etc... Stefan, VE4NSA On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:01 AM, M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The IARU Amateur Satellite Frequency Coordination Panel have announced frequencies of 2422.0 MHz and 2437.0 MHz. See http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ 73 Trevor M5AKA AMSAT-UK website http://amsat-uk.org/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/AMSAT-UK/208113275898396 Twitter https://twitter.com/AMSAT_UK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Amsat contact info
fyi -- Hi All, I didn't really know who to contact, so I emailed you all, sorry for the spam. I'd like to officially inform the Amsat and IARU communities (though you surely know this already), that we are now sure CubeBug-1 is object 13018D / 39153. In the last days NORAD has officially assigned the name CUBEBUG 1 to object 39153. Doppler shift analysis made by many members of the amateur community (via private communications) agree with this too. For example see http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?p=33101. Finally, our own analysis, and that of the launch services broker (ISIS/ISL), based on insertion forces, masses and other physical characteristics, agrees with this assignment. So we wanted to inform the community that we now officially assume the CubeBug-1 is object 13018D/39153 and that the frequency of the radio has shifted, for some yet unknown reason. We now assume the satellite transmits (and receives) at 437438300Hz. This again is mainly based in the experience of the members of the amateur radio enthusiasts. And finally, but most important, we also wanted to thank the whole radio amateur community, so please forward them our most warm thank you. I tried to put what I feel in words a few days ago: http://1.cubebug.org/post/49490931912/we-love-the-amateur-radio-enthusiasts thank you very much all for being there, gera for the CubeBug-1 team. PS: Please, forward this email to who you think may be interested, thank you! ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Amsat contact info
Mike, Good news. This gets widely circulated. 73s, Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rupprecht Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:16 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Amsat contact info fyi -- Hi All, I didn't really know who to contact, so I emailed you all, sorry for the spam. I'd like to officially inform the Amsat and IARU communities (though you surely know this already), that we are now sure CubeBug-1 is object 13018D / 39153. In the last days NORAD has officially assigned the name CUBEBUG 1 to object 39153. Doppler shift analysis made by many members of the amateur community (via private communications) agree with this too. For example see http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?p=33101. Finally, our own analysis, and that of the launch services broker (ISIS/ISL), based on insertion forces, masses and other physical characteristics, agrees with this assignment. So we wanted to inform the community that we now officially assume the CubeBug-1 is object 13018D/39153 and that the frequency of the radio has shifted, for some yet unknown reason. We now assume the satellite transmits (and receives) at 437438300Hz. This again is mainly based in the experience of the members of the amateur radio enthusiasts. And finally, but most important, we also wanted to thank the whole radio amateur community, so please forward them our most warm thank you. I tried to put what I feel in words a few days ago: http://1.cubebug.org/post/49490931912/we-love-the-amateur-radio-enthusiasts thank you very much all for being there, gera for the CubeBug-1 team. PS: Please, forward this email to who you think may be interested, thank you! ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: J-Pole Antenna
I wouldn't recommend a J-pole for satellite work unless you expect to only work sats on the horizon. The J-Pole antenna has a low take-off angle and almost NO radiation overhead, an plain 1/4 wave ground plane antenna would work better for the sats. J-poles are great terrestrial communications antennas, not so much for working overhead satellite passes. An Eggbeater or quadrifiliar antenna would be a better choice. 7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY On 5/12/2013 8:00 AM, Werner, HB9BNK wrote Thank you all for your valuable hints and advices ! I will now build such an antenna and then supply here the results. 73 Werner, HB9BNK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
The AMSAT-UK page at http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ provides the links, they are: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Hamtvproject More information at http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf and http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV.pdf The HamTV.pdf gives the link budget, looks like there's 7dB of coax/connector losses to overcome between the ISS transmitter and the antenna. That document indicates a 90cm dish should be sufficient. I believe that it's going up on ATV 4 which is currently slated for June 5. 73 Trevor M5AKA --- On Sun, 12/5/13, R Oler orbit...@hotmail.com wrote: From: R Oler orbit...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] ISS HamTV Frequencies To: M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Sunday, 12 May, 2013, 17:46 Trevor...I have been so busy with our family moving to our new farm and ferrying a bunch of airplanes to Bangladesh and India...that I have not read a lot on this. Do you have a link on the topic? I am about to get both a VU and SL2 license and will put both active on at least AO7 and VU 52... thanks in advance. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:01:46 +0100 From: m5...@yahoo.co.uk To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS HamTV Frequencies The IARU Amateur Satellite Frequency Coordination Panel have announced frequencies of 2422.0 MHz and 2437.0 MHz. See http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ 73 Trevor M5AKA AMSAT-UK website http://amsat-uk.org/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/AMSAT-UK/208113275898396 Twitter https://twitter.com/AMSAT_UK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
Certainly! You can find the nominal link budget on http://www.amsat.it/HAMTV_Link-budget-IARU.pdf and all the relevant information http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf. However * Recommended Antenna gain 25 dB * RHCP * Low noise down converter i.e. Kuhne LNC 25 or LNC 25 TM NF 0.7 dB * Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal 73, Emanuele, I0ELE President AMSAT Italia ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
Anybody off the top of their heads know how many degrees a second swing are (is?) required for direct aim at the ISS? I know there are beam width tolerances, altitude variations and degree above horizon variations but I'm looking at Bob B's fixed antenna aiming of 15-20 degrees above horizon to evaluate swinging a dish without torque eating up the drive train... Roger WA1KAT On 5/12/2013 5:01 PM, M5AKA wrote: The AMSAT-UK page at http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ provides the links, they are: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Hamtvproject More information at http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf and http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV.pdf The HamTV.pdf gives the link budget, looks like there's 7dB of coax/connector losses to overcome between the ISS transmitter and the antenna. That document indicates a 90cm dish should be sufficient. I believe that it's going up on ATV 4 which is currently slated for June 5. 73 Trevor M5AKA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
HamTV - Houston Power Point slides http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/Meetings/2011_Houston/Presentations/11%20Presentazione_Houston_Draft.pdf Some addition information plus a video of a presentation given by AMSAT-Italia (video in Italian) is on the ESA website at http://www.esa.int/About_Us/ESRIN/Radio_hams_at_ESRIN_with_AMSAT_Italia/%28print%29 I understand the HamTV equipment will be carried to the ISS on the ATV 4 spacecraft currently planned to launch on June 5. BTW Italy also has an Astronaut Luca Parmitano KF5KDP heading to the ISS. Luca is planned to launch from Baikonur in Kazhakstan to the ISS on May 28 and is also mentioned in his post - USA High School Student’s RocketHub Project http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/11/high-school-students-rockethub-project/ 73 Trevor M5AKA --- On Sun, 12/5/13, M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The AMSAT-UK page at http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ provides the links, they are: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Hamtvproject More information at http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf and http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV.pdf The HamTV.pdf gives the link budget, looks like there's 7dB of coax/connector losses to overcome between the ISS transmitter and the antenna. That document indicates a 90cm dish should be sufficient. I believe that it's going up on ATV 4 which is currently slated for June 5. 73 Trevor M5AKA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
Certainly! You can find the nominal link budget on http://www.amsat.it/HAMTV_Link-budget-IARU.pdf and all the relevant information http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf. However * Recommended Antenna gain 25 dB * RHCP * Low noise down converter i.e. Kuhne LNC 25 or LNC 25 TM NF 0.7 dB * Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal 73, Emanuele, I0ELE Il 12/05/2013 19.15, Stefan Wagener ha scritto: Nice! Has anyone figured out any ground station requirements? Antenna gain, polarization, receiving equipment etc... Stefan, VE4NSA On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:01 AM, M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The IARU Amateur Satellite Frequency Coordination Panel have announced frequencies of 2422.0 MHz and 2437.0 MHz. See http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ 73 Trevor M5AKA AMSAT-UK website http://amsat-uk.org/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/AMSAT-UK/208113275898396 Twitter https://twitter.com/AMSAT_UK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
A dish like in the picture probably has a beam-width of 15-ish degrees. I used a 30 inch BBQ grill antenna for AO-40, and would notice a drop-off when mis-aimed by about that much. ISS moves VERY quickly compared to AO-40, so some sort of active positioning on both axis is going to be required. I need to get that dish back up on the rotisserie... Greg KO6TH Roger wrote: Anybody off the top of their heads know how many degrees a second swing are (is?) required for direct aim at the ISS? I know there are beam width tolerances, altitude variations and degree above horizon variations but I'm looking at Bob B's fixed antenna aiming of 15-20 degrees above horizon to evaluate swinging a dish without torque eating up the drive train... Roger WA1KAT On 5/12/2013 5:01 PM, M5AKA wrote: The AMSAT-UK page at http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ provides the links, they are: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Hamtvproject More information at http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf and http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV.pdf The HamTV.pdf gives the link budget, looks like there's 7dB of coax/connector losses to overcome between the ISS transmitter and the antenna. That document indicates a 90cm dish should be sufficient. I believe that it's going up on ATV 4 which is currently slated for June 5. 73 Trevor M5AKA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
For the digital TV challenged, what means Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal? How would I know if I have such a thing, or what I would need to get if I don't. Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: Certainly! You can find the nominal link budget on http://www.amsat.it/HAMTV_Link-budget-IARU.pdf and all the relevant information http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf. However * Recommended Antenna gain 25 dB * RHCP * Low noise down converter i.e. Kuhne LNC 25 or LNC 25 TM NF 0.7 dB * Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal 73, Emanuele, I0ELE President AMSAT Italia ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
HAMTV stream will be transmitted at 1.3 MSym/s or at 2.0 MSym/s. Technical specs of the set-top box indicate the range of the decoded stream. Generally this range is from 2 to 45 MSym/s, therefore if you need to buy it, you should select one that can guarantee a range from 1 to 45 MSym/s. Emanuele I0ELE Il 13/05/2013 0.15, Greg D ha scritto: For the digital TV challenged, what means Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal? How would I know if I have such a thing, or what I would need to get if I don't. Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: Certainly! You can find the nominal link budget on http://www.amsat.it/HAMTV_Link-budget-IARU.pdf and all the relevant information http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf. However * Recommended Antenna gain 25 dB * RHCP * Low noise down converter i.e. Kuhne LNC 25 or LNC 25 TM NF 0.7 dB * Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal 73, Emanuele, I0ELE President AMSAT Italia ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
Hi Emanuele, Right. But what is that in terms of what normally gets described? For example, I have a Digital TV card for my computer (Pinnacle PCTV HD). It says it does ATSC digital TV (HDTV up to 1080i, and SDTV) and Clear QAM (unencrypted digital cable). Am I even close? Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: HAMTV stream will be transmitted at 1.3 MSym/s or at 2.0 MSym/s. Technical specs of the set-top box indicate the range of the decoded stream. Generally this range is from 2 to 45 MSym/s, therefore if you need to buy it, you should select one that can guarantee a range from 1 to 45 MSym/s. Emanuele I0ELE Il 13/05/2013 0.15, Greg D ha scritto: For the digital TV challenged, what means Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal? How would I know if I have such a thing, or what I would need to get if I don't. Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: Certainly! You can find the nominal link budget on http://www.amsat.it/HAMTV_Link-budget-IARU.pdf and all the relevant information http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf. However * Recommended Antenna gain 25 dB * RHCP * Low noise down converter i.e. Kuhne LNC 25 or LNC 25 TM NF 0.7 dB * Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal 73, Emanuele, I0ELE President AMSAT Italia ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
Hi Greg, I believe that your Pinnacle PC Card is not for DVB-S (Satellite networks) but for DVB-T (terrestrial networks). Please check on the web or give me the model of your card, so that I will check it. Emanuele I0ELE Il 13/05/2013 0.45, Greg D ha scritto: Hi Emanuele, Right. But what is that in terms of what normally gets described? For example, I have a Digital TV card for my computer (Pinnacle PCTV HD). It says it does ATSC digital TV (HDTV up to 1080i, and SDTV) and Clear QAM (unencrypted digital cable). Am I even close? Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: HAMTV stream will be transmitted at 1.3 MSym/s or at 2.0 MSym/s. Technical specs of the set-top box indicate the range of the decoded stream. Generally this range is from 2 to 45 MSym/s, therefore if you need to buy it, you should select one that can guarantee a range from 1 to 45 MSym/s. Emanuele I0ELE Il 13/05/2013 0.15, Greg D ha scritto: For the digital TV challenged, what means Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal? How would I know if I have such a thing, or what I would need to get if I don't. Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: Certainly! You can find the nominal link budget on http://www.amsat.it/HAMTV_Link-budget-IARU.pdf and all the relevant information http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf. However * Recommended Antenna gain 25 dB * RHCP * Low noise down converter i.e. Kuhne LNC 25 or LNC 25 TM NF 0.7 dB * Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal 73, Emanuele, I0ELE President AMSAT Italia ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
Ah, that is probably right. Model is PCTV-800i; it's definitely aimed at terrestrial stuff. Now I know what -S means... Would there, by chance, be a decoder for the FunCube Dongle (or other USB thingie)? Thanks for the help, Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: Hi Greg, I believe that your Pinnacle PC Card is not for DVB-S (Satellite networks) but for DVB-T (terrestrial networks). Please check on the web or give me the model of your card, so that I will check it. Emanuele I0ELE Il 13/05/2013 0.45, Greg D ha scritto: Hi Emanuele, Right. But what is that in terms of what normally gets described? For example, I have a Digital TV card for my computer (Pinnacle PCTV HD). It says it does ATSC digital TV (HDTV up to 1080i, and SDTV) and Clear QAM (unencrypted digital cable). Am I even close? Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: HAMTV stream will be transmitted at 1.3 MSym/s or at 2.0 MSym/s. Technical specs of the set-top box indicate the range of the decoded stream. Generally this range is from 2 to 45 MSym/s, therefore if you need to buy it, you should select one that can guarantee a range from 1 to 45 MSym/s. Emanuele I0ELE Il 13/05/2013 0.15, Greg D ha scritto: For the digital TV challenged, what means Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal? How would I know if I have such a thing, or what I would need to get if I don't. Greg KO6TH I0ELE wrote: Certainly! You can find the nominal link budget on http://www.amsat.it/HAMTV_Link-budget-IARU.pdf and all the relevant information http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf. However * Recommended Antenna gain 25 dB * RHCP * Low noise down converter i.e. Kuhne LNC 25 or LNC 25 TM NF 0.7 dB * Any DVB-S Decoder which can decode a 1.3 MSym/s TV signal 73, Emanuele, I0ELE President AMSAT Italia ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] FS: Eggbeaters at Dayton
FOR SALE: M2 Eggbeater EB-144/RK-2M 2 Meter Eggbeater w/reflector kit M2 Eggbeater EB-432/RK-70CM 432 Eggbeater w/reflector kit These will be sold as a pair at the Dayton Hamvention this week in FleaMarket Space 1540 for less than half the catalog price! They were never mounted outside in the weather and are virtually brand new. Stop and check them out or come by just to say Hi. Maybe we worked on the Birds on one of my Satellite Expeditions. See them on my QRZ(dot)com page. 73, Bob K8BL ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: J-Pole Antenna
Jeff, You are correct, a J Pole is an end fed dipole on its side. Max gain at the horizon and extinction at 90 degree elevation. The J section is for matching and does not radiate. Gain = 2.1 dBi at the horizon. Art, KC6UQH -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Moore Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:48 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: J-Pole Antenna I wouldn't recommend a J-pole for satellite work unless you expect to only work sats on the horizon. The J-Pole antenna has a low take-off angle and almost NO radiation overhead, an plain 1/4 wave ground plane antenna would work better for the sats. J-poles are great terrestrial communications antennas, not so much for working overhead satellite passes. An Eggbeater or quadrifiliar antenna would be a better choice. 7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY On 5/12/2013 8:00 AM, Werner, HB9BNK wrote Thank you all for your valuable hints and advices ! I will now build such an antenna and then supply here the results. 73 Werner, HB9BNK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
Roger, A SWAG, (Wild Guess) 1 degree per second at a Zenith of 90 degrees. Anything less than 90 degrees will be slower with several minutes spent near the horizon. You can use an orbital program to get exact numbers. With a wide beam width antenna, the lag overhead may never require the antenna to move with the object, as there will be time for the antenna system to catch up after passing overhead. Art, KC6UQH -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Roger Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:34 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies Anybody off the top of their heads know how many degrees a second swing are (is?) required for direct aim at the ISS? I know there are beam width tolerances, altitude variations and degree above horizon variations but I'm looking at Bob B's fixed antenna aiming of 15-20 degrees above horizon to evaluate swinging a dish without torque eating up the drive train... Roger WA1KAT On 5/12/2013 5:01 PM, M5AKA wrote: The AMSAT-UK page at http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/ provides the links, they are: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Hamtvproject More information at http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf and http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV.pdf The HamTV.pdf gives the link budget, looks like there's 7dB of coax/connector losses to overcome between the ISS transmitter and the antenna. That document indicates a 90cm dish should be sufficient. I believe that it's going up on ATV 4 which is currently slated for June 5. 73 Trevor M5AKA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies
- Original Message - Right. But what is that in terms of what normally gets described? For example, I have a Digital TV card for my computer (Pinnacle PCTV HD). It says it does ATSC digital TV (HDTV up to 1080i, and SDTV) and Clear QAM (unencrypted digital cable). Am I even close? Greg KO6TH No, you are not even close. ATSC (Advanced Television Systems Committee) is the proprietary over-the-air television broadcast standard used in North America. It is fundamentally incompatible with the open source DVB-T broadcast standard that the rest of the world uses for domestic TV. (The fact that it was designed by a committee should tell you all that you need to know about that particular political sausage.) The Cheap and Easy SDR article in January QST requires using a DVB-T USB dongle which you need to purchase from a supplier that knows that you want to use it for SDR. The ATSC USB devices sold at Best Buy or other retail stores in the USA cannot be used for this purpose. QAM is used only by cable TV and is never broadcast over the air. (Most cable systems use encrypted QAM so you will still need to rent the decoder box from the cable company). DVB-S is the digital satellite TV standard that the free to air (FTA) satellite receivers use. We are not talking about Direct TV or Dish TV, but the C band services. If you watch NASA TV or the foreign language TV broadcasts directly from your C band dish, you are using DVB-S. This standard has been used for terrestrial ham ATV in some US cities. It would be best to contact the ATV experts directly to see what receivers they are using. I don't know which FTA receivers will work with the ISS ham TV. Bottom line is: ATSC and QAM decoders are not useful for receiving the ISS ham TV signals, and DVB-S is not widely used in the USA except by dedicated free to air hobbyists. If you bought your receiver card or dongle from any US consumer retail store, it almost certainly is not what you need for ISS ham TV. Dan Schultz N8FGV ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Satellite Demonstration Passes for Dayton 2013
Here are the Satellite Demonstration Passes for Dayton 2013, 17-19 May. Times are in UTC. We will work as many of these passes as possible - weather and equipment permitting. The days are Friday, 17 May, through Sunday, 19 May. The original plain text file is attached with the original formatting. See you on the Birds at Dayton 2013 this weekend. 73 - Keith, W5IU AMSAT DAYTON HAMVENTION DEMOS - 2013 TZ = UTC N 39.820328W 84.255224 ELEV. 296 M MIN ELEV. = 10 DEG GRID = EM79ut WinAos QTH: -84.3/39.8 T#: 12920 Sat.: 6 [Standard] -- Day Object AOS (U) LOS Period maxEl AZ -- 17.05.2013 AO-0713:19 13:2607 15 341 - 279 17.05.2013 ISS 13:50 13:5303 12 347 - 043 17.05.2013 VO-5214:07 14:1003 13 319 - 267 17.05.2013 HO-6814:19 14:3112 32 036 - 159 17.05.2013 FO-2914:39 14:5112 33 032 - 160 17.05.2013 SO-5015:00 15:0808 70 202 - 036 17.05.2013 ISS 15:26 15:3206 28 327 - 094 17.05.2013 HO-6816:07 16:2013 48 003 - 220 17.05.2013 FO-2916:24 16:3612 43 001 - 224 17.05.2013 SO-5016:42 16:4907 17 276 - 006 17.05.2013 ISS 17:03 17:0906 34 290 - 154 17.05.2013 AO-0720:30 20:4414 35 121 - 357 18.05.2013 ISS 13:01 13:0201 11 347 - 020 18.05.2013 FO-2913:48 13:5103 11 068 - 101 18.05.2013 SO-5013:48 13:5507 20 158 - 063 18.05.2013 HO-6814:03 14:1310 24 043 - 146 18.05.2013 ISS 14:37 14:4205 20 332 - 079 18.05.2013 SO-5015:28 15:3608 45 234 - 022 18.05.2013 FO-2915:29 15:4213 77 015 - 191 18.05.2013 HO-6815:50 16:0313 62 008 - 212 18.05.2013 ISS 16:13 16:2007 60 302 - 137 18.05.2013 FO-2917:15 17:2409 19 344 - 256 18.05.2013 HO-6817:41 17:4504 12 326 - 287 18.05.2013 AO-0719:34 19:4208 16 081 - 012 19.05.2013 VO-5213:02 13:0907 60 004 - 205 19.05.2013 AO-0713:11 13:2009 16 345 - 273 19.05.2013 HO-6813:47 13:5508 18 052 - 134 19.05.2013 ISS 13:48 13:5204 16 342 - 066 19.05.2013 SO-5014:15 14:2308 53 193 - 041 19.05.2013 FO-2914:35 14:4611 31 034 - 157 19.05.2013 ISS 15:24 15:3006 66 313 - 120 19.05.2013 HO-6815:33 15:4613 79 013 - 203 19.05.2013 SO-5015:57 16:0306 21 267 - 008 19.05.2013 FO-2916:19 16:3112 44 001 - 222 AMSAT DAYTON HAMVENTION DEMOS - 2013 TZ = UTC N 39.820328 W 84.255224 ELEV. 296 M MIN ELEV. = 10 DEG GRID = EM79ut WinAos QTH: -84.3/39.8 T#: 12920 Sat.: 6 [Standard] -- Day Object AOS (U) LOS Period maxEl AZ -- 17.05.2013 AO-0713:19 13:2607 15 341 - 279 17.05.2013 ISS 13:50 13:5303 12 347 - 043 17.05.2013 VO-5214:07 14:1003 13 319 - 267 17.05.2013 HO-6814:19 14:3112 32 036 - 159 17.05.2013 FO-2914:39 14:5112 33 032 - 160 17.05.2013 SO-5015:00 15:0808 70 202 - 036 17.05.2013 ISS 15:26 15:3206 28 327 - 094 17.05.2013 HO-6816:07 16:2013 48 003 - 220 17.05.2013 FO-2916:24 16:3612 43 001 - 224 17.05.2013 SO-5016:42 16:4907 17 276 - 006 17.05.2013 ISS 17:03 17:0906 34 290 - 154 17.05.2013 AO-0720:30 20:4414 35 121 - 357 18.05.2013 ISS 13:01 13:0201 11 347 - 020 18.05.2013 FO-2913:48 13:5103 11 068 - 101 18.05.2013 SO-5013:48 13:5507 20 158 - 063 18.05.2013 HO-6814:03 14:1310 24 043 - 146 18.05.2013 ISS 14:37 14:4205 20 332 - 079 18.05.2013 SO-5015:28 15:3608 45 234 - 022 18.05.2013 FO-2915:29 15:4213 77 015 - 191 18.05.2013 HO-6815:50 16:0313 62 008 - 212 18.05.2013 ISS 16:13 16:2007 60 302 - 137 18.05.2013 FO-2917:15 17:2409 19 344 - 256 18.05.2013 HO-6817:41 17:4504 12 326 - 287 18.05.2013 AO-0719:34 19:4208 16 081 - 012 19.05.2013 VO-5213:02 13:0907 60 004 - 205 19.05.2013 AO-0713:11 13:2009 16 345 - 273 19.05.2013 HO-6813:47 13:5508 18 052 - 134 19.05.2013 ISS 13:48 13:5204 16 342 - 066 19.05.2013 SO-5014:15 14:2308 53 193 - 041 19.05.2013 FO-2914:35 14:4611 31 034 - 157 19.05.2013 ISS 15:24 15:30
