[android-developers] Re: Any word on a dev phone for motorola droid?
Was the hardware/os difference - along with the hoped-for popularity difference - anywhere near as great fo rthose "dozen or so" others as it looks to be for the moto droid? On Oct 24, 8:08 pm, Marco Nelissen wrote: > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM, sherifffruitfly > > wrote: > > > Uh... I didn't *assume* anything. I asked. > > > There's a new android phone coming out with a new android os. I > > thought it therefore made sense to wonder if there was a dev version > > of it to be made available, exactly as they did with the g1/dream. > > The G1 was special because it was the first Android phone. There have > been a dozen or so other phones since then. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Any word on a dev phone for motorola droid?
It seemed reasonable to call the "android developer phone" a "dev phone". Asking if there would be a second one (since, you know, the first is called adp *1*) now that there is a significant increase/change in hardware design (cpu, storage, vendor, etc) seems reasonable too. Ditto for the sdk - according to numbering, its the 2nd huge leap for the platform (if you figure 1.0,bugfix1.1->1.5,bugfix1.6->2.0) and its due out no later than the end of November (according to the ads, much earlier according to leaked info). Trying to get a hold of it to test/update apps before devices come out on a major carrier seems perfectly reasonable. For most of the past year, the adp1 has been billed as a device for app or platform devs (and I seem to recall some desperate downplaying of the platform side since it was not possible for so long.) Even now it is offered as a reasonable alternative to carrier devices for application devs (although it still says 'framework 1.0' and I'm not sure thats available anywhere) http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > What do you mean by "dev phone"? Every Android phone is a development phone > -- it has all of the facilities to develop applications against it. The > ADP1 is a special thing for people working on the platform, and I certainly > wouldn't assume there is going to be a special product based on -any- > particular Android phone. > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:14 PM, sherifffruitfly > wrote: >> >> And what about dev tools, code upgrade from gen1, etc.? >> >> >> > > > > -- > Dianne Hackborn > Android framework engineer > hack...@android.com > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such > questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and > answer them. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Any word on a dev phone for motorola droid?
If past experience is any indication, there are more areas of concern: sensors, camera preview come to mind. I suppose everybody agrees that a big inventory of apps are a big win- win for everybody involved (although a case could be made that many of the devs that put in the effort and investment upfront start finding out that their cut of happiness is rather small). Thus far we have not heard that independent devs had an opportunity to test out their stuffs on the Motorola/Verizon Droid, under NDA of course. I am sure a campaign by Verizon/Motorola that involved independent devs would have long leaked, so I assume Verizon's Droid will hit the dev community cold. Supposedly with Android 2.0, even. If this was all the case, wallpapers and ringtones aside, I am sure plenty of apps will be borked, until everybody had a chance to catch up. No question there will be a barrage of snotty comments in the Android Market for those that didn't stay on their toes to black out Verizon on the Market Publishing site, and I am sure Apple, Nokia and others won't be far behind to add insult to injury. Would that actually be a good thing? Perhaps, just to shake things up. At this point, there doesn't seem to be much acknowledgment by the higher powers that independent devs aren't getting an opportunity to actively participate in the development and launch of a new product or SDK release in a way that allows them to make apps available on day one, and in a way that's commensurate with the earnings potential of apps that the parties involved, Google, carriers, manufacturers, wish to leverage into unit sales. To make clear text out of this, going back to the OP's question: Dev phones by the various manufacturers will have to be made available at a considerable discount, or we can say goodbye to rich, meaningful apps, in all the beautiful variety, at least. JP On Oct 25, 2:17 pm, "Fred Grott(Android Expert)" wrote: Yes that is going to be the problem those doing cool stuff like opengl need an actual device.. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Any word on a dev phone for motorola droid?
Yes that is going to be the problem those doing cool stuff like opengl need an actual device.. There is another forum board to post the exact same question and to get some feedback from Motorola.. If you post to MotoDev boards does not get aresposne you might try posting the same question to the GoogleGroups Chicago androids as Motorola does take an active interest in that group.. On Oct 25, 1:03 am, Lance Nanek wrote: > >And what about dev tools, code upgrade from gen1, etc.? > > It sure would be nice if we could create Android 2.0 AVDs to test > against in the emulator at least. > > I just took a quick look at the Motorola dev site. It had some > impressive options for testing on their other phones: a loaner > program, a way to test on real phones by a remote connection, and an > add on for the Android SDK. > > It looked like the first two didn't even allow the CLIQ, though, their > first Android phone. The last wouldn't work with OpenGL when I tried. > Even the basic OpenGL API demos wouldn't work. No sign of anything at > all for DROID or Android 2.0 in general. > > On Oct 24, 4:14 pm, sherifffruitfly wrote: > > > And what about dev tools, code upgrade from gen1, etc.? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Any word on a dev phone for motorola droid?
>And what about dev tools, code upgrade from gen1, etc.? It sure would be nice if we could create Android 2.0 AVDs to test against in the emulator at least. I just took a quick look at the Motorola dev site. It had some impressive options for testing on their other phones: a loaner program, a way to test on real phones by a remote connection, and an add on for the Android SDK. It looked like the first two didn't even allow the CLIQ, though, their first Android phone. The last wouldn't work with OpenGL when I tried. Even the basic OpenGL API demos wouldn't work. No sign of anything at all for DROID or Android 2.0 in general. On Oct 24, 4:14 pm, sherifffruitfly wrote: > And what about dev tools, code upgrade from gen1, etc.? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Any word on a dev phone for motorola droid?
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM, sherifffruitfly wrote: > > Uh... I didn't *assume* anything. I asked. > > There's a new android phone coming out with a new android os. I > thought it therefore made sense to wonder if there was a dev version > of it to be made available, exactly as they did with the g1/dream. The G1 was special because it was the first Android phone. There have been a dozen or so other phones since then. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Any word on a dev phone for motorola droid?
Uh... I didn't *assume* anything. I asked. There's a new android phone coming out with a new android os. I thought it therefore made sense to wonder if there was a dev version of it to be made available, exactly as they did with the g1/dream. Not sure what's out of order about that wonder. (shrug) On Oct 24, 3:41 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > What do you mean by "dev phone"? Every Android phone is a development phone > -- it has all of the facilities to develop applications against it. The > ADP1 is a special thing for people working on the platform, and I certainly > wouldn't assume there is going to be a special product based on -any- > particular Android phone. > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:14 PM, sherifffruitfly > wrote: > > > > > And what about dev tools, code upgrade from gen1, etc.? > > -- > Dianne Hackborn > Android framework engineer > hack...@android.com > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such > questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and > answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Any word on a dev phone for motorola droid?
What do you mean by "dev phone"? Every Android phone is a development phone -- it has all of the facilities to develop applications against it. The ADP1 is a special thing for people working on the platform, and I certainly wouldn't assume there is going to be a special product based on -any- particular Android phone. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:14 PM, sherifffruitfly wrote: > > And what about dev tools, code upgrade from gen1, etc.? > > > > > -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
